Bill Nye, the Science Fruit Loop

This article is a bit of a ‘rant’. It is my opinion and reaction to a CNN “news piece” on “Global Warming” today. The “news” was reacting to some announcement ( I think by the IPCC?) that GHGs were at an all time high and this, seemingly, spells doom. So read this as an editorial opinion piece, not as ‘science’ nor ‘news reporting’.

On CNN they did a LONG segment on Global Warming this morning. Bill Nye was prattling on… It would seem that CNN thinks a Toy Science Entertainer is somehow a science authority… He was opposite another guy (who’s name I didn’t catch) in a faux ‘balance’ vignette as both worried about how horrible the future would be (especially if everyone in the world tried to have U.S. standards of living). Then there was the cute Milk Chocolate Lady Lead (who’s name I also didn’t remember… ever time she smiles I forget things ;-) At any rate, she was smiling away trough the whole “Gloom and Dooooom We’re ALL Gonna DIE!!!” story… It would seem that the content didn’t bother to enter her brain nor change her ‘presentation’ style…

At least we can find out what the Warmista Taking Points are. As this was worthy of a long chunk of prime CNN time, it will be a significantly vetted point of view.

1) Sandy is evidence of Global Warming. Yes, that one again. Completely impervious to history and the blatant stupidity of the argument. Nye even went so far as to make a faux time line with New Orleans and Sandy and saying that in geological terms that 5 years was a ‘blink of an eye’ and if these go to 4 years then 3 … accelerating disaster, clearly. It would seem he’s clueless about the DROP in landfall frequency of major hurricanes and drop of ACE. Oh, and 2 data points make a trend line, and one that accelerates as well… Just Daft. If this is what passes as Science on CNN, the world is screwed.

2) The Other Bozo made the wrap up analogy (after Ms. Happy Talk asked if it would get worse) that “blow more gas or hotter into a balloon it goes up more, right?”. Um, what? MORE gas into a hot air balloon doesn’t do anything. (I’ve done it on ‘ground crew’. One uses a big fan to blow it full of air BEFORE heating. It then just lays sideways on the ground, cold.) Added HEAT will make it rise, and faster. But what does that have to do with the atmosphere? Pretty simple: It will increase convective cooling of the planet. Even their analogies are dead stupid and ass-backwards. But ‘simple and wrong analogies’ are ‘proof’…

3) People are evil and it’s us damaging the planet. We had the appeal to ‘Humanity as the Sin’ with Billy Nye talking about how there were only 3 Billion long ago but now too many. And the rich west worse than most. (FEEL that Guilt, ye Carbon Sinners!) Never mind that CO2 has had a beneficial effect on plant life globally and never mind that through most of history CO2 levels were higher than anything we could reach burning ALL fossil fuels.

4) Bogus Statistics. They had a statistic that “CO2 is now 85% of GHGs”. Ignoring water vapor that is far more important than carbon dioxide. Ignoring, too, that most CO2 is from natural sources. Ignoring that CO2 lags warming. Ignoring that we can’t even show such gases ARE “green house gasses” and ignoring that “green house” is a bad analogy. Green Houses work via stopping convection, gases can’t do that. No, it’s all CO2 all the time, and we make all of it… Humans as Casual. They even stressed that the US was the major problem. Ignoring that China now makes more CO2 than the USA, has a higher CO2 growth rate, and the USA has been static to dropping.

5) It’s about “dirty” vs “clean”. There was a sop to “thinking big” about making things more efficient and more clean. Hey, I’m all for more efficient and clean; but it doesn’t need a Central Planning Tyrant to be achieved. Strangely, Mr. Nye then advocated under ground utility wires as a more efficient way to distribute electricity (and somehow more clean, I suppose). This completely ignores just how hard it is to repair underground wires and facilities. Those places in NYC that will be down the longest are those with underground utility vaults that are flooded… The complete lack of logical connection between undergrounding and anything else was lost on Nye. Further, he seems unaware that undergrounding wires requires LOTS of digging, done by large Diesel Powered Equipment that burns a LOT of fuel.

6) Ocean Acidification made a return cameo. Never mind that the oceans are ALKALINE and guaranteed to stay that way, given the giga-tons of alkaline minerals on the ocean bottom. Never mind that the historic CO2 levels were higher when life evolved in the oceans. Nope. Just the scare word ACID!!!! and how this would threaten food supply and the entire food chain. (Again ignoring that the food chain starts with phytoplankton that benefit from more CO2…)

In short, it’s the same old bogus set of Scare Tactics and bald faced lies.

I’m sorry, but that’s what they are, IMHO given the available evidence. Bald Faced Lies (from liars or idiots or?). There isn’t any other conclusion possible. The counter points are well known. There have been plenty of opportunities for folks to look up the data. Bill Nye holds himself out as some kind of science authority, so he’s a “public person” and asserting an expertise. All those things say he has an obligation to know something about the topic. Including the actual science data and arguments pro and con. So it is a reasonable presumption that he “knows or ought to know” things like ‘the oceans are alkaline’ and ‘CO2 was higher in the past’ and ‘hurricanes are happening at lower rates now’.

When someone has ‘reason to know’ and then strongly pushes what are demonstrably incorrect statements, what else can they be? You have a choice of “idiot” or “liar” near as I can tell. As these folks are not particularly stupid, that only leaves “lazy idiocy from lack of looking” or “liar”. As they are being professionally employed in the field (given their CNN role), that pushes “lazy” mighty far.

So IMHO the CNN ‘piece’ was a carefully crafted “Power Of Stupid” piece designed with idiot level arguments (like hot air balloons and “acid bad” metaphors) pushing an agenda to the ‘useful idiot masses’. Designed to push fear and guilt, not inform. It’s “YOUR fault” for wanting to live in a technologically advanced society and use fuels. Just send money for the pet projects of the Greens, and everything will get better. Underground power distribution will stop hurricanes, after all…

Just amazing…

I’m sure there was more I’ve now forgotten, but those were the big points. Which means it is all that more important to continue reminding folks that we are NOT getting hotter, the atmosphere does NOT have a ‘tropospheric hot spot’ (so one presumes that hot air balloon is sinking not rising… in their ‘model’…), the oceans are alkaline and not acid (so not acidifying), there are FEWER hurricanes, and weaker at that (lower ACE).

How best to do that? Frankly, I’m not sure. We are up against The Incredible Power Of Stupid here. It will take similar ‘happy talk talking points’ and similar ‘over simplified’ arguments to reach that audience. Then again, perhaps the CNN audience is just too stupid to matter? If they can’t remember anything from year to year, nor have high school science level of understanding, perhaps they are just going out to get stoned tonight anyway and won’t remember the story at all by tomorrow… Could that be why it has to be repeated so often?

So maybe some nice “Scare Story” shows showing the 1800s level and number of hurricanes and what the WOULD do today, followed by “Thank God CO2 is keeping hurricanes down!” (Hey, if bald faced lies, lack of logical connection, and political drama are acceptable for the Goose… well, Gander, get busy?) Maybe something like “CO2 is feeding the plankton and giving us more food than ever!!! with nice charts of total ocean catch.” Never mind that the catch is changing species and is more tech driven… Goose, meet Gander… I don’t know if I can grit my teeth and lie through them like the other side does, though. I’m trapped in that ‘hobgoblin of small minds’… an irrational insistence on consistency and truth.

In Conclusion

It is very clear from the overall structure and content of the CNN piece that this is a propaganda campaign, not a quest for truth in science. They have a side chosen (there was not a single whiff of the Skeptical POV on their set). They had to arrange for those folks to be in studio well in advance. It was not “news”. The presentation was scripted. (Q & A were clearly not spontaneous, and had coordination). The focus was on ‘scare the rubes’ and ‘treat them as useful idiots’ and not on ‘what is a logical and consistent view of the truth’ as evidenced by the dumb down and wrong arguments / analogies used.

It is also quite clear that Engineers need to stand up and point out that “scientists” make lousy Engineers. We need the power and distribution guys to point out how under ground wires are NOT always the best solution. That flooding is worse when the transformer is 8 foot underground than when it’s 40 foot in the air, and that when a break happens, it’s not as easy to fix as stringing new wires above ground. That concrete poles can make more difference. And, most importantly, that it is an engineering problem that is solved best PER SITE and BY ENGINEERS.

Similarly, power generation and automotive fuel / power source decisions are best made by THOSE Engineers as well. Politicians and scientists make lousy managers of industry and lousy Engineers. Too ‘one size fits all’ and too hypothetical. Not enough detail orientation and not enough grounded in reality. Nye typified this with a statement that we needed more ‘Big Ideas’ on the problem. No, Billy, we don’t. We need a thousand and one SMALL ideas, all carefully fitted to an optimum solution of real problems. It’s “Big Thinkers” and “Big Ideas” that come from politicians and generally screw things up. Look at history: wars and destruction, starvation and famine, massacres and genocides… All from “big ideas” from “big thinkers”… Collapse of the Soviet Union from too many ‘big ideas’ and not enough tailored solutions to real needs.

The notion that politicians ought to have more power and scientists need more authority is what is broken. (Especially the politicized scientists of today). The million and one folks who can make those decisions right; corporate managers, small business owners, engineers and even marketeers and salesmen need to start raising their voices. Instead of being ‘compliant’ and thus part of the ‘useful idiot’ class; they need to start saying “Hang on a minute: THAT is a broken idea and a solution to a non-problem that will make things worse, not better.”

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30 Responses to Bill Nye, the Science Fruit Loop

  1. adrianvance says:

    CO2 is a “trace gas” in air, insignificant by definition. It absorbs 1/7th as much IR, heat
    energy from sunlight, as water vapor which has 80 times as many molecules captures 560 times
    as much heat making 99.8% of all “global warming.” CO2 does only 0.2% of it. For this we should destroy our economy?

    Carbon combustion generates 80% of our energy. Control and taxing of carbon would give the
    elected ruling class more power and money than anything since the Magna Carta of 1215 AD.

    The Two Minute Conservative at http://adrianvance.blogspot.com for political analysis,
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  2. Sean says:

    I think there is something else missing here. We are talking about scientists and politicians. What about the engineers? Scientists are great at looking at a problem in isolation and I think they have a tendency to look at solutions in isolation as well. Engineers deal more with the slings and arrows of the real world. That’s why we divert 40% of the corn crop to a motor fuel and wring our hands that climate change may lead low crop yields causing hunger and starvation. Our clever science solutions while executable, may lead to more of the disruption that we fear than the precieved problem that had to be solved in the first place.

  3. omanuel says:

    Thanks, E.M.Smith, for your ability to see through this propaganda and communicate your finding to the public. The public is remarkably gullible, including many of my close friends and relatives.

    I can’t blame them; I was equally gullible until:

    a.) Climategate documents exposed fraudulent global temp data in Nov 2009, and
    b.) Official responses confirmed purposeful deceit funded from the power structure’s top.

    Today I am grateful that Climatgate provided the solution to a long line of scientific mysteries after the United Nations was established on 24 Oct 1945:

    The UN’s illusion of control over mankind and Nature – an insidious lie – was maintained by pseudo-scientific models of SSM (Standard Solar Model), ANNI (Attractive Neutron-Neutron Interactions), OSN (Oscillating Solar Neutrinos), and AGW (Anthropologic Global Warming).

    http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about/#comment-1807

    Thanks to Climategate, sixty-seven years (2012 – 1945 = 67 yrs) of deceit have now been exposed. MIsuse of government science for government propaganda will end, or the current crop of world leaders will be thrown out of office and perhaps prosecuted (although I personally oppose that option).

    A time for Thanksgiving !
    - Oliver K. Manuel

  4. John Robertson says:

    Well I believed we were going to use nukes in war in my youth, and most of the environmental save the trees stuff. I was wrong. I see the media ramping up the propaganda as public interest in the propaganda (and the media) is dropping. I feel its over, only the useful idiots are left to man the pumps as the CAGW ship goes down.Every claim CO2=warming will be mocked as the cycle turns cool.My local weather station records show a roughly 60 yr cycle, records elsewhere show same pattern thro longer time periods. Cycles being the only logical conclusion, as most of nature is cyclic. Still reading Bob Tisdales book, who turned on the heat, makes sense so far.
    When I read the CRU emails in 2009 my blood pressure rose and then the fake investigations enraged me. My theory is, your opinion of your govt and its minions will never be higher than it is today..The CAGW-CC-GCD-EW, is an engineered attack on our society, by our employees.
    Governments have enacted policy without supporting science documented, Minions not doing their jobs. The old media are singing from identical psalm books.
    The BBC is now busted for their orchestrated propaganda(28 names).Politicians are on the record, saying its OK to lie to us to save us from evil oil(Christine Stewart former federal canadian minister).
    The actions of my politicians, academics and media have crossed the line, into treason, as I see it. Massive amounts of public money wasted on a blatant non problem, sensible people abused and smeared, and real wealth destroyed in hysteria.But the public watchdogs have been leading the panic, still taking my money but not doing their jobs. What excuse for a paid science advisor to govt for not checking the science?I want to know, did those who defer to the IPCC, actually read it? I keep hearing my govt officials claim the IPCC proved that CO2 causes warming, yet the FAR reads highly likely, then coulda,woulda, shoulda, we don’t have a clue what drives the weather or climate.
    I now advocate revenge, I call it retributive justice, full RICO type charges,those public figures and publicly funded peoples who fell into this hysteria and wasted our wealth, must make good. The human hamster wheel of pain, Hug a polar bear TV and stripping all these weasels of their pensions(They did not do what we paid them for, attempted to destroy our economy ) are all fine ideas.
    It warms my heart to imagine teams of ex govt minions running on human hamster wheels to generate electricity when its dark and the wind turbines don’t work. Strangely its probably technically viable, now that we have reliable inverters the frequency/speed of the alternator is no longer critical. Small amounts of DC power can be fed into a central collector then inverted to line voltage.
    I probably should apply for a green energy grant,to generate biologically driven ecologically friendly electricity, works in the dark and when the wind don’t blow. Natch all the eco-speak needs thrown in.
    I do not think I am the most angry person, wait until the true believers loose their faith, then the reason the useful idiots are all being trotted out now will be obvious. The statists who orchestrated this fraud and profited from it , intend to escape any backlash.Mr Strong is hiding in China already.
    Climategate is a gift that keeps on giving, but if you had told me that the state of climate science was so corrupt before the emails, I would have thought you deranged. This kind of knowledge is destroying the “message” I have sensed a reluctance and a silence from many of the previously most shrill alarmists.
    Maybe the best answer to the alarmist message is, Tiny Tim, The ice caps are melting, with heavy sarcastic emphasis on the date of production. But Bill NYe, CBC’s similar “science” guy are as useful as Gliek and Mann, the more they talk the lower the public alarm.

  5. Zeke says:

    “…Billy Nye talking about how there were only 3 Billion long ago but now too many. And the rich west worse than most.”

    Thank you for reviewing the program.

    Any scientist who uses science to promote the idea that there are too many people on the planet has crossed into eugenics – only slightly veiled from its most narrow definition of improving races. Instead, the justification used by scientists to control and reduce the number of people is “environmental sustainability.”

    In this case he has intimated that two out of three people now alive are too much for the environment. He has also suggested that people in certain western countries are the most expendable.

    This program should be considered an aggressive threat by eugenicists.

  6. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    I was very alarmed when Bill Nye became CEO of the Planetary Society. Fortunately he’s not brought his CAGW religion into the society activity or I would have had to drop my 3 decade old membership.

    But it is sad that a science type just does not seem to want to look at the empirical data. The 60 year cycle and the solar magnetic impact on climate, which explain 5/6ths of warming last century, are quite clear and quite outside of the responsibility of mankind.

  7. John F. Hultquist says:

    Years ago I watched a few of Bill Nye’s antics about science, but I haven’t seen one in many years. I’m of a mind that your “fruit-loop” label is his best defense.

    Regarding underground power lines, here are links to 2 reports:
    http://www.entergy.com/2008_hurricanes/Underground-lines.pdf

    http://www.xcelenergy.com/staticfiles/xe/Regulatory/Transmission/OverheadvsUnderground.pdf

    Each is just 2 pages and explain the problems in slightly different ways.

  8. John F. Hultquist says:

    John Robertson says “your opinion of your govt . . . will never be higher than it is today.”

    Of all the things I have ever read, heard, or thought – That is likely the one that most startled me with its dismal outlook on our future. Everyone should repeat this loudly and often and send it to local papers.

  9. Jeff Alberts says:

    Nye is a local celebrity here in Seattle. So those of us who live in the area have to put up with his stupidity on local ads and such. If he’s the best the alarmists could get, I do NOT understand why anyone is even concerned about climate. I know people are stupid, but not THAT stupid.

  10. Power Grab says:

    Yes thanks, EM, for reviewing the program. I can’t help but wonder: did the people who overthrew the Russian Czar use this same sort of claptrap to align the masses with their line of thinking?

    What is it going to take to get the masses to realize that they are signing their own death warrant by signing onto the AGW bandwagon?

  11. What bothers me is “Useful Idiots” like Bill Nye raising your blood pressure.

    We need you! Just calm down and recognize that the Bill Nye’s of this world are exactly what we need. The crazier he and his friends are, the more people listen to us.

  12. Ian W says:

    As a kind of meta-comment; there does seem to be as John Robertson says a ‘ramping up’ of alarmist propaganda. New Scientist has a whole issue (Nov 17 – 23) entitled: “Climate Change – Five years ago we feared the worst but it’s looking even worst than that”. The cover has the now mandatory picture of cooling towers photoshopped so the steam looks like smoke (!). This is supposedly a _science_ magazine. So CNN (USA) does a special on 23rd New Scientist (UK) does a Climate Change special on on 17-23rd; the BBC ran 3 ‘climate change’ articles on November 21, Australia’s ABC ran 3 climate change stories on November 24. Even the New York Times ran 4 articles in the last 3 days. Is there something happening that has ‘rallied the troops’? Or more importantly, who is it doing the rallying?

  13. rod says:

    I actually caught this interview also and have to agree with your critique. One thing i did find funny.
    Towards end of segment, the Science Guy states that Sandy was not a very strong storm it just hit at a bad time and location. I am still confused as to what the point of the hot air balloon was

  14. DirkH says:

    Power Grab says:
    24 November 2012 at 4:29 am
    “Yes thanks, EM, for reviewing the program. I can’t help but wonder: did the people who overthrew the Russian Czar use this same sort of claptrap to align the masses with their line of thinking?”

    Lenin and Trotzki didn’t overthrow the czar, as he had already abdicated. What they did overthrow was a 9 month old social democrat government in St Petersburg.

  15. DirkH says:

    Zeke says:
    24 November 2012 at 1:58 am
    “Any scientist who uses science to promote the idea that there are too many people on the planet has crossed into eugenics –”

    Bill Nye is not a scientist; he is a stand up comedian who plays a sciency guy.

  16. DirkH says:

    adrianvance says:
    23 November 2012 at 9:07 pm
    “CO2 is a “trace gas” in air, insignificant by definition. It absorbs 1/7th as much IR, heat
    energy from sunlight, as water vapor which has 80 times as many molecules captures 560 times
    as much heat making 99.8% of all “global warming.” CO2 does only 0.2% of it. For this we should destroy our economy? ”

    Small mistake: the intensity of GHG back radiation does not grow linearly but logarithmically with concentration of a GHG, so your multiplication 7*80 is invalid. That being said, yes, water vapor does play the major role.

  17. DirkH says:

    About flooding and underground wiring: Here in Germany practically all middle voltage and ALL low voltage distribution is underground. (Our household 220 V is low voltage; middle is 1k to 5k V).

    It generally doesn’t fail during local floods. The tubing is waterproof. As it needs to be – dirt gets wet all the time during rains.

    It’s also pretty easy to build these days. If you feel like you want to avoid tearing up a road you can use a micro tunnel boring machine these days.

  18. Jerry says:

    Nice Rant! I agree. However the morons won and I also agree that we are not going to be prouder of our government than we were yesterday.
    Like an old Soviet Union joke:
    ‘How are things going with you comrade? Oh, Better! What? How can you say Better, cite litany of ills…… I say Better because it is Worse than yesterday of course, but it is Better than it will be tomorrow. So Better!!’

    All depends on your point of view and attitude so keep your powder dry and lock and load.
    Texas corollary: shoot first and don’t even bother with questions. I mean ,@%$#&, if you asked Bill Nye a series of questions and he answered ‘em. wouldn’t you be pissed off enough to shoot him. So why bother?
    And the million and one, those folks are now enemies of the State and will go Galt or gulag.

  19. jaksichja says:

    My humble opinion is exactly opposite of yours–but taking time to read your opinion reminds me how far out of touch everyone has become. Maybe it is about location, location, location, . . . .

  20. Mark Miller says:

    I lost almost all respect for Bill Nye when I saw him come out after Climategate broke, and try to use a dumb correlation argument to make the case for AGW on CNN. I was taught in Jr. high school to be highly suspicious of correlation arguments. Yet here he was saying, “Since the Industrial Revolution began, we have seen CO2 levels increase.” He showed a chart of this. Then he showed a chart of temperature. “See? It’s been going up too, along with CO2.” Once he was done with that he basically said, “Case closed.” I could not believe what I was seeing. I was yelling at my TV set, I was so pissed at him, because he was insulting my intelligence, and he ruined the respect I used to have for him. I thought he was better than that. Oh, disillusionment is a hard pill to take! The only reason I didn’t switch the channel the moment I saw him go into this schtick was they also had scientist on who’s been a public skeptic of AGW for many years (I forget the name). He was yelling at Nye, too, for the same reasons I was. That was gratifying!

  21. Zeke says:

    DirkH says: Bill Nye is not a scientist; he is a stand up comedian who plays a sciency guy.”

    Well I don’t think it’s very funny. (: And there are plenty of scientists who are advancing the same argument, don’t you think?

  22. Mark Miller says:

    Oh, I remembered something else. Dr. Patrick Michaels (this was the scientist CNN had on for the opposing view) complained that the CRU researchers talked about deleting data, rather than comply with the access requests. He said, “That just isn’t done in science.” (Yes!) Nye was asked his opinion on this, and he deadpanned, “I would’ve deleted the data.”

    My mouth was hanging open at this point, “WHAT?!”

    He said very matter of factly, “I don’t have time to deal with these people. All they want to do is slow people down with these requests for data.” He acted as if they weren’t serious researchers. I’ve looked at their work, and they’re no slouches. The whole thing left me disgusted.

    What I remember of Nye, I guess when I was in my twenties, is that he was a “cheaper,” more entertaining version of “Mr. Wizard.” He’d do science experiments on TV, and encourage people to do them themselves. He also talked about “neat stuff” with science. I thought that meant that he understood science, and valued its principles. Boy, was I wrong! Well, at least he’s telegenic, and maybe he can get kids interested in science. I think all he’s really promoting, though, which is all many schools promote, is a “science admiration society.” He doesn’t encourage, nor apparently believe in, people actually *doing* science. He’s more about encouraging people to play inside of other people’s theories.

  23. omanuel says:

    @ Jerry Thanks for the old Soviet Union joke. I will save it for future use as more members of society awaked to reality: The UN’s Orwellian one-world government controls our lives and our life tomorrow will be worse than it was today.

    “How are things going with you comrade? Oh, Better! What? How can you say Better, cite litany of ills…… I say Better because it is Worse than yesterday of course, but it is Better than it will be tomorrow. So Better!!”

    Bad news: George Orwell was right when he predicted in 1948 that winners of WWII would awaken to a tyrannical government that distorts information and uses electronic surveillance to control people in the future, “1984″ [1]

    http://www.george-orwell.org/1984

    This tyrannical government entered the scene when the United Nations was established on 24 Oct 1945. Its core agenda was finally published in 1992 [2].

    Good news: It will fall because the powerful nuclear force [3] that made our elements, birthed the world and endowed mankind with talents and unalienable rights [4] cannot be conquered nor denied by the mortals it created.

    [1] George Owrell (Eric Arthur Blair), Nineteen Eighty-Four (“1984″) (Secker and Warburg, London, 8 June 1949): http://www.amazon.com/Nineteen-Eighty-Four-Centennial-Edition-George/dp/0452284236

    [2] The United Nations, “Core Agenda 21″ (1992): http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/

    [3] “Neutron repulsion,” The Apeiron J. 19, 123-150 (2012): http://redshift.vif.com/JournalFiles/V19NO2pdf/V19N2MAN.pdf

    [4] Thomas Jefferson, The US Declaration of Independence (1776): http://tinyurl.com/5yr32

  24. John Robertson says:

    John. F. Hultquist, Nah its actually a cheerful and very liberating idea. As I see it the hobgoblin of fear of the weather was brought to us by agencies of our governments, I worked for one once, and all our great leaders forget or never knew, that the very best performance a govt agency can do is mediocre against the performance of free men. That the regulating class has as much authority as each of us allows them. Basically whatever the great vision and 5 year plan its doomed from the start. Look at who is gonna do the actual work, these guys need 3 years to write a specification to purchase a desk and chair, but they can run the world? Or your life better than you can?
    And the higher up the food chain of a govt agency the farther from reality.
    Look to the current crop of enforcement, any agency you like, and this is the best our govt can do. I am not being sarcastic, this is the best they can do. Cheerful thought if you plan to remain free as I do. There is no point hiding , its easier to make them afraid to see you.

  25. DirkH says:

    Zeke says:
    25 November 2012 at 12:37 am
    “DirkH says: Bill Nye is not a scientist; he is a stand up comedian who plays a sciency guy.”

    Well I don’t think it’s very funny. (: And there are plenty of scientists who are advancing the same argument, don’t you think?”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_nye
    “Nye began his professional entertainment career as an actor on a local sketch comedy television show in Seattle, Almost Live!; he attempted to correct the show host’s pronunciation of “gigawatt” as “jigowatt.”[12][13] The host responded, “Who do you think you are—Bill Nye the Science Guy?” and Nye was thereafter known as such on the program. His other main recurring role on Almost Live! was as Speedwalker, a speedwalking Seattle superhero.”

  26. Gary says:

    The only thing more powerful than stupid is mockery, but it must be done with a deft touch or it looks lame.

  27. adolfogiurfa says:

    In my cable menu I have CNN and BBC one after the other, so it easier for me to have fun watching how “climate change”….along with economic failure is working up there.
    It seems that the geomagnetic field is changing. Time to fly southwards!

  28. R. de Haan says:

    Great presentation of Burt Rutan at WUWT-TV:
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/11/26/another-wuwt-tv-segment-engineer-and-aviation-pioneer-burt-rutan-on-why-he-doubts-global-warming/
    Who sends a copy to CNN and Obama who is selling his alarmist wrming message to DOHA.
    In the mean time, California in the track of an atmospheric river: http://www.weather.com/news/weather-forecast/california-flood-threat-20121126

    We’re cooling, not warming

  29. E.M.Smith says:

    @R. de Haan:

    Expect the added rains to be ‘sold’ as Global Warming ( Weirding?) artifacts. The reality is that they are signs of global cooling. All those tons of water are that much “heat of vaporaization” dumped at altitude… sucked from the oceans.

    Yes, we’re cooling… Past the “solar hump” of this solar cycle and now we start to see what a quietsun looks like in the dropping phase of the cycle.

    @All:

    BTW, posting this comment via Konqueror from a “Parallel Knoppix” inside a VMbox… So far like the P-Knoppix. Came up quick and easy. Seems to work well. IFF I get ambitious (or make a lot more coffee ;-) I’ll try to figure out how to make them ‘cluster’ inside VMBox… As each image can only use one of my machine cores (near as I can tell… so far…) if I can get a cluster Linux running and talking, in theory each image could use a core and I could get more ‘computes’ available per process being done… (One of my ‘someday’ projects is now to port GIStemp to a VM image and put it on my Bittorrent server; so anyone with a PC could run it…. It would be interesting to have a ‘cluster’ option for things like climate models…)

    At any rate, it’s about 5 minutes to ‘test drive’ a Linux Distribution under VMBox, so an easy thing to do.. “Parallel Knoppix” is obsolescent, sort of replaced by Pelican HPC, that I’m going to try next… But I’m more interested in”works well in small hardware” than I am “recent software supported”…

    At any rate, back to playing Linux Guy and looking at the rain…

  30. Zeke says:

    @DirkH,
    Well this is what I get for not having a TV – corrected by a German, about Seattle, where I lived for many years. lol

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