Mexico Cools, Norway Frozen

OK, there is a climate conference going on in Cancun Mexico. It’s all about “Global Warming”. So is it really warmer than normal in Mexico now? (If you click on the image you can get a more readable version).

Mexico Temperature and Departure From Normal December 2010

Mexico Temperature and Departure From Normal December 2010

So I make that about 70 F in Cancun. Not bad at all, but not exactly “warm”. Now look at that anomaly chart. Hey, Mexico is ‘below normal’… Couldn’t happen to a nicer group of folks…

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Meanwhile we have a bit of cold in Norway. Yeah, it’s in Norwegian, but it basically says there’s a record cold not seen in 222 years…

Has an interesting video in it. About 1/2 way though they start talking to a guy in French… threw me for just a minute. Mostly just talking about the snow impacts.

Kaldeste november på 222 år
November har vært rekordkald i Trondheim. I de 222 årene som er gått siden målingene startet opp, har det aldri vært registrert lavere temperaturer enn i år.

Which I think says “Coldest November in 222 years. November has seen record cold in Trondheim. In the 222 years since recorded temperatures began, there has not been a colder year recorded than this year.”

(I have free translated this. The Google translate seemed a bit off to me.)

Further down it says:

Det har vært drevet minst åtte meteorologiske målestasjoner ulike steder i Trondheim. Ingen av de har noen gang målt en så ekstremt kald november.
I løpet av gårsdagen ble den gjeldende 1919-rekorden på – 3,5 grader, på den tidligere målestasjonen til Meteorologisk institutt i Trondheim sentrum, passert.

“There have been at least eight meteorological stations in different parts of Trondheim. None of those has ever measured so extremely cold a November.
In the course of yesterday, the current record of 1919, – 3.5 degrees at the former station of the Meteorological Institute in Trondheim, was passed.”

So we can add Norway to the cold record set in Tahoe, California. And the snow making a mess of the UK.

But hey, it’s only a 222 year record…

From the BBC no less:

BBC’s Rona Dougall in Dunblane: “Here in Stirlingshire we’re in white-out conditions”

Related stories

Your pictures: Snowy scenes
Temperature drops to -17C in Wales
Travel disruption in Scotland

Temperatures plummeted to the coldest on record for November in parts of the UK overnight.

Northern Ireland hit a new low of -9.5C (15F) at Lough Fea, Co Tyrone, and in Wales, a record minimum of -18C (0F) was reached at Llysdinam, in Powys.

Snow is still falling in Scotland, Northern Ireland and north-east England, and Edinburgh, Glasgow and Derry airports have been closed.

Forecasters say the cold spell will continue well into next week.

Met Office severe weather warnings for heavy snow and widespread ice remain in place for eastern and central Scotland, and eastern England from the Borders down to the East Midlands.

Standard News format:

A bit more homey, but I like the music:

h/t Carsten Arnholm on the Norway news.

This is from 2009, but I like the music and the photos give a feel for a cold northern winter…

COLD Europe. Cold North America. Cold Pacific Ocean.

“Where’s The Heat!?”

UPDATE 1 Dec 2010

h/t Luis for the pointer to this nice Meteo France image of Europe:

Europe via Meteo France

Europe via Meteo France

It looks to me like the top line is marked with 27/9/10 which as I understand Euro dating would be 27 September 2010. But the companion images look to be very similar and of more contemporary date stamp (and I’m not sure that IS a date stamp). At any rate, it either shows what lead up to the cold, or what happened during the cold snap.

Here’s the IR version that is reverenced in comments below for 1 Dec 2010:

Europe IR Map 1 Dec 2010

Europe IR Map 1 Dec 2010

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20 Responses to Mexico Cools, Norway Frozen

  1. xyzlatin says:

    Australia has just had its highest rainfall for November on record. Bureau of Met.

  2. Luís says:

    Hi Michael. It has been like this all across continental Europe, snow disruption from Poland to Portugal. A friend in Scotland tells me this is by far the largest amount of snow in November that anyone can remember.

    Looking at pressure charts or satellite images these days has been quite a wonder. The Arctic is pulsating highs like crazy. Right now there’s a “weak” anticyclonic agglutination centered in the southern tip of Norway, but already a huge monster coming to meet it from the greenland route. Luckily it gets looked over the Azores, but I wouldn’t count on it…

    In the infrared it seems that another polar high is coming down through western russia:

    If nothing happens to ease this Arctic fury, then we’ll finally have a serious gas shortage in Europe, most likely in the UK and/or Ireland:


  3. Ed P says:

    Heads they win, tails you lose.

    Now it’s obvious to anyone without blinkers that the attempt to extort world-wide taxes through the fear of CO2/warming has failed, it’s not “Global Warming”, but “Climate Change”.

    Cancun needs a new bogeyman – all this snow in the UK & Scandinavia must be evidence of CC, mustn’t it?

  4. THE PROBLEM: Earth’s heat source – the Sun – was ignored!

    The debate among climatologists today is like kids arguing over the eventual fate of a twig caught in a fast moving stream.

    Trying to predict weather or long term changes in Earth’s climate is like trying to predict the eventual position of a twig in a rapidly moving stream.

    Imagine a group of government scientists and world leaders saying that they can predict the eventual position of a twig in a fast flowing stream without regard to rate of water output from the spring upstream or the direction of water flow!

    That would be like the government scientists who claim to have complicated computer models that can predict the eventual position of the twig by the influence of each eddy current, whirlpool and surge acting on the twig.

    Indeed the path of the twig is irregular, changing directions with each surge or eddy current encountered as it twirls downstream. But the eventual position of the twig depends on the direction of the stream flow far more than on detailed information about each whirlpool, eddy current and surge.

    It has long been known that the heat source “upstream” that drives the climate of planet Earth – the Sun – is a variable star. However, Nobel Laureate William A. Fowler identified two serious problems [1] in our understanding of the Sun in 1988 that had to be solved [2, 3] before we could finally see which variations in Earth’s climate might be caused by our variable Sun [4-12].

    The two problems that Professor Fowler identified in 1988:

    “Indeed there are details to be attended to, but they are overshadowed by serious difficulties in the most basic concepts of nuclear astrophysics. On square one, the solar neutrino puzzle is still with us (chapt. 10), indicating that we do not even understand how our own star really works. On square two we still cannot show in the laboratory and in theoretical calculationswhy the ratio of oxygen to carbon in the sun and similar stars is close to two-to-one(see chapt. 7). We humans are mostly (90%) oxygen and carbon. We understand in a general way the chemistry and biology involved, but we certainly do not understand the nuclear astrophysics which produced the oxygen and carbon in our bodies.”

    The two puzzles were solved with nuclear rest mass data that show neutron repulsion generates most of the Sun’s energy [2] and with neutron-capture cross sections that show O/C ~10 inside the Sun, as expected from laboratory and theoretical calculations, and O/C ~ 2 at the top of the Sun ‘s atmosphere as expected from solar mass fractionation [3].

    After the dense, highly compact nuclear core was identified inside the layered Sun, then it was possible to understand why cyclic changes in solar inertial motion (SIM) might be the primary driver of climate change [4-12]. Orbital motion of planets cause the Sun to be jerked, like a yo–yo on a string, about the constantly changing centre-of-mass (barycentre) of the solar system [12].

    Thus, differing planetary masses and distances from the center-of-mass of the solar system (the barycenter) cause the barycenter to change position relative to the compact center of the Sun; just as differences in the masses and positions of wet laundry from the center of a spinning washing machine, cause it to be ‘out-of-balance’ by differing amounts [4-12].


    1. W. A. Fowler, “We do not even understand how our own star really works”, in Cauldrons in the Cosmos: Nuclear Astrophysics by Claus E. Rolf and William S. Rodney (David N. Schramm, series editor, University of Chicago Press, Chicago, IL, USA, 1988) pp. xi-xii.

    Click to access CaldronsCosmos.pdf

    2. O. Manuel, E. Miller, and A. Katragada, “Neutron repulsion confirmed as energy source”, Journal of Fusion Energy 20 (2003) 197-201.

    Click to access jfe-neutronrep.pdf

    3. O. Manuel, W. A. Myers, Y. Singh and M. Pleess, “The oxygen to carbon ratio in the solar interior”, Journal of Fusion Energy 23 (2005) 55-62.

    Click to access Oxygen_to_Carbon_Ratio.pdf

    4. J. D. Jose, “Sun’s motion and sunspots”, Astron. J. 70 (1965) 193-200.

    5. R. W. Fairbridge and J. H. Shirley, “Prolonged minima and the 179-yr cycle of the solar inertial motion,” Solar Physics 110 (1987) 191-220.

    6. O .K. Manuel, B. W. Ninham, and S. E. Friberg, “Super-fluidity in the solar interior: Implications for solar eruptions and climate,” Journal of Fusion Energy 21 (2002) 193-198.

    7. Theodor Landscheidt, ”New Little Ice Age instead of Global Warming?”, Energy & Environment 114 (2003) 327-350.

    8. S. Yousef, “80-120 yr long-term solar induced effects on the Earth: Past and predictions,” Physics and Chemistry of the Earth 31 (2006) 113-122.

    9. J. Shirley, “Axial rotation, orbital revolution and solar spin-orbit coupling,” Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society 368 (2006) 280-282.

    10. W. J. R. Alexander, F. Bailey, D. B. Bredenkamp, A. vander Merwe, and N. Willemse, “Linkages between solar activity, climate predictability and water resource development,” J. South African Institut. Civil Eng. 49 (2007) 32-44.

    11. Richard Mackey, “Rhodes Fairbridge and the idea that the solar system regulates the Earth’s climate,” Journal of Coastal Research, 2007, SI 50 (Proceedings of the Ninth International
    Coastal Symposium, Gold Coast, Australia) pp. 955-968.

    Click to access ICS176.pdf

    12. O. K. Manuel, “Earth’s heat source – the Sun”, Energy & Environment 20 (2009) 131-144:

    With kind regards,
    Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo

  5. jim says:

    Oliver K. Manuel “The debate among climatologists today is like kids arguing over the eventual fate of a twig caught in a fast moving stream.”

    Absolutely spot on.

  6. E.M.Smith says:

    @xyzlatin: Yeah, it looks like the cooling has shown up as rainfall in Australia. A bit ago I had a posting on the cold excursions in the outback. Haven’t found an Australian ‘anomaly’ map for this posting, just the NCDC cooked ones.

    @Chuckles: How is it that the UK has such trouble with snow and trains? Maybe we ought to send them one of our snow plows… Oh, wait, wrong gauge ;-)

    Sidebar: I once read a story about train gauge. It basically asked “why are the tracks just ‘that’ far apart?”. The story was that they set the rails where wagon wheels had made ruts. And why were wagon wheels that far apart? Because that’s what the ruts had been in Roman Roads… which were set based on the needs of the War Chariots … which were based on the width of 2 Horses Butts. So train gauge was determined by the width of 2 Roman Horses Asses… ;-)

    @Luis: I’ve taken the liberty of putting the Meteo France image into the posting. I’m a bit confused by what looks like a September date stamp, though. Any insight would be appreciated…

    @Oliver K Manuel: Thanks for including some references. Now I’ll be kept busy for the next few months ;-)

    As I understand your thesis, it is that the center of the sun is a lump of Iron and the action is mostly in the outer layers. I’d not thought through to the notion of that interacting with the barycenter changes… (Though it also looks like sometimes you are saying the core is a lump of neutrons… I’m a bit vague on that).

    FWIW I lean a bit toward the idea that Landscheidt has it right.

    BTW, if you don’t have a blog with these ideas on them I’d be more than happy to help you set one up. It’s very very easy and it’s free. Just click on the link on the right hand edge under “META” and follow the directions. Basically, if you can post a comment and know how to use a simple editor, you can run a wordpress blog. It can save a lot on the typing to have things at the end of a link. I started this one just as a place to put “frequent points and arguments” from WUWT. So I could just put a link to “no energy shortage” rather than retype it each time. It was startlingly easy…

    I find the notion of a dense core to the sun an interesting one, but don’t have the time to chase it all down. Niggling things like “If it’s a neutron star, why doesn’t the gravity collapse the shell around it?” what with the general statement about neutron stars being that they are gravitationally collapsed stars to begin with. It would be nice to have that laid out somewhere that didn’t require a lot of back and forth commentary.

    UPDATE: Oh, it looks like this one is the ‘primer’ on your sun theory:

    I’ve started reading it, but it will take me a while…

    At any rate, back on the cold here:

    Yeah, I’m pretty sure we’re getting our Noze Froze and our Toez Froze because the sun has gone into a quiet phase; and that that phase is exactly where Landscheidt predicted it would be lends credence to the ‘wobble’ theory.

    And THAT says we’re likely to stay cold for a couple of more decades…

    So I’m back at that same question the old lady asked about the hamburger, but now about the sun:

    “Where’s the Heat?!”

    I was promised Global Warming and I want it. NOW. Can we sue AlGore for breach of promise? …

  7. E.M.Smith says:


    WOW! I just read down past the top page of that article.

    That is just one heck of a mess! I suspect we’re going to be having some hard times in the show in Merry Old England…

    Maybe folks will be reminded that the Thames CAN freeze over…

  8. Yes, temperatures are plunging,
    The world economy is collapsing,
    People are unemployed, and
    There are many drug addicts!

    Was the war on climate change,
    Like the war against poverty, or
    The war against illegal drugs?

    Why are our world leaders really
    gathered now in Cancun Mexico?

    I do not have the answers, but I
    See many unanswered questions.

    With kind regards,
    Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo

  9. E.M.Smith says:

    Well, I’d not get too worked up about the power brokering going on in Cancun… it looks more like a Socialist Left Mutual Admiration Gathering than anything else to me.

    Oh, and the Girl Scouts are in attendance. Somehow I don’t see Girl Scouts as the center of power politics…

    Ossining Girl Scout at U.N. Climate Change conference in Mexico

    Posted by: Marcela Rojas – Posted in Ossining on Nov 29, 2010

    Ossining resident and Girl Scout volunteer Emily Rodriguez is currently part of a youth delegation at a U.N. Climate Change conference in Mexico. Read the release below for more information on Rodriguez and the U.N. conference:

    Emily Rodriguez, a 22-year-old Girl Scout volunteer, is one of fifteen remarkable young women from 11 countries across the globe forming the World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts (WAGGGS) youth delegation at this year’s UNFCCC climate change conference in Cancun, Mexico.

    WAGGGS’ Girl Guide and Girl Scout delegates will join key policy makers and international leaders at the conference, taking place on 29 November to 10 December, to raise awareness of the fact that girls and young women are disproportionately affected by climate change and need to be placed at the heart of any solution.

    So my guess is our “leaders” are gathered in Cancun to do what they always try to do. Glad hand each other, eat free expensive meals, find a “page” to play with, and try to get a firm grip on the “motivation” of the guy standing next to them for “future use”… What I don’t understand is why parents would let Girl Scouts hang out with them…

    Then again, she is over 21… (what’s the age of consent in Mexico?…)

    As the largest Movement dedicated to girls and young women, WAGGGS has identified the fight against climate change as a priority issue on which to take a stand and speak out. WAGGGS’ youth delegation will include young women from diverse corners of the world, including the UK, US, Kenya, and Honduras. The young women will run side-events and panel discussions at the conference, and will be involved in all youth activities organized by YOUNGO (the UNFCCC youth constituency). They will also be blogging their opinions and experiences at Unicef’s Voices of Youth website, the World Bank’s Youthink website, as well as at

    Emily was chosen to be a WAGGGS youth delegate because of her commitment to environmental sustainability and experience in advocacy. She has recently graduated from Whitman College with a BA in Sociology-Environmental Studies. She has also taught environmental education to children, and developed a project guide for the Girl Scouts Forever Green program (Girl Scouts of the USA’s new environmental program focused on reducing carbon emissions). Emily hopes to use what she learns at COP 16 to strengthen environmental awareness amongst other girls.

    But it does look like Girl Scouts are very fully infested with the AGW meme…

  10. Luís says:

    Hi again Michael, I’m sorry for causing confusion, “live” satellite images can be accessed here:

    Visible on top, infrared below. At this moment, 21h40 GMT, the visible is invisible :). But in the infrared you can clearly see two large polar highs sort of merging, one in front of Portugal and a larger but disformed just above it. This last one will probably bounce on the Pyrenees – Cantabrian mountain range, keep things cool in France, Ireland and Britain. Tonight Ireland and Britain are under the influence of the major updraft channel of this larger polar high.

    Note also the wide clear area over much of scandinavia, the remnants of an aglutination.

  11. E.M.Smith says:

    @Luis: No problem. I just like the images ;-)

    At any rate, I snagged a copy of the IR image and put it in the posting. If I’m awake when it’s sunny in Europe I may try for another “fresh” visible light image…. but you guys are up at strange times.. maybe we could get the UN to rule that your daylight happens during PST ;-)

  12. Luís says:

    Michael, if you allow me the spam, the situation is getting really serious:

    Gas and power prices soared on Wednesday as a cold snap elevated demand for heating and as neighbouring markets required gas and power imports from Britain to meet their own high energy consumption.


    “It’s insane, there’s a lot of panic. There’s no interconnector (flows) and demand is very high. If we have the smallest supply issue it’s going to be worrisome,” one gas market participant said.

    A round up of what’s going on in Europe:

    [REPLY: Luis, it’s not “SPAM” if it’s not commercial. SPAM is UCE Unsolicited COMMERCIAL Email… Besides, 1/2 my relatives live in the UK and Ireland (maybe more… though a few escaped to Australia and New Zealand… and there is at least one Aunt and her brood in Canada… and… but I recapitulate the British Empire and Irish Potato Famine…) any news about what’s whacking them is always appreciated… -E.M.Smith]

  13. Verity Jones says:

    We had light snow last week but with a little rain on top on Sunday night… then it froze. Not nice. The East coast is getting the really heavy snow coming off the North Sea.

    A friend sent a link to these pictures in Ireland were Dublin and the South East have had some of the heaviest snow in living memory:

  14. Ken McMurtrie says:

    Last night (1/12), Australia’s ABC1 TV ‘Lateline”, interviewed “Chief Scientist for Australia” Professor Penny Sackett. Her comments clearly show her dedication to global warming beliefs, although some moderation shows in the use of the terms ‘climate change’ and ‘CO2 AND OTHER green house gasses’. Yet she directly stated the globe is warming and carbon controls are essential.
    She is a government paid scientist and, as such, becomes vulnerable to loss of impartiality.
    It seems clear that she, and other country’s scientists, are hell-bent on ignoring the myriad of scientific data and evidence ringing alarm bells about the AGW scenario, and pushing on with the “Big Plan” to impose carbon controls/financial burdens irregardless of ‘reasonable room for doubt’.
    To make matters worse, she talks of “food safety controls”, in the form of imposition of government regulation on the food chain. The same scenario as is occurring in the US.
    Scary stuff!

  15. E.M.Smith says:

    @luis: I put an ‘inline reply’ in your comment…

    @Verity: Just stellar pictures. I almost spewed my beer on the snowman sitting on the bench, and then luckily had swallowed by the time I got to the dog with face covered in snow as I DID laugh out loud on that!

    Oh, and that “pudgy budgy” sparrow? standing in the snow with a WFT? attitude! (Looking at the snow like, “where did THIS come from? and which way is Sicily?”)

    It’s nice to see that folks can find beauty even in such trials.

    But I still want an answer to:

    “Where’s the HEAT?!”

    We had a promise. A contract. Keep burning fuel and we’d be warm as Brazil in no time. Well, we kept up our part of the bargain. Now I want the promised warmth… A deal is a deal, after all; and it’s quite clear that the AGW alarmists assured everyone that we’d be warm and toasty. So I say: Make ’em deliver. NOW please.

  16. E.M.Smith says:

    @Ken McMurtrie: The simple answer there is: just to assure that any “control” comes with responsibility. Give 100% liability to the folks who seek “control”. You want control of the thermostat via carbon taxes? OK, but you must PAY EVERYONE for every single day the weather is not perfect. Ditto food. You want “food safety control”? OK, then you must PAY (from your own paycheck, not from the government purse) every single person who gets sick from food born illness AND every single person who suffers a cost from the regulation.

    That, IMHO, is the reason that capitalism tends to work better in these cases than socialism (even this strange bastard ‘market socialism’ it’s mutated into) as the private enterprise tries to dodge liability but tends to get “stuck in the end” while socialism tends to just third party the mistakes and costs on to ‘everyone’…

    It’s accountability that’s the key bit. But governments all over the world dodge it like crazy…

    Oh, and I’m pretty sure there is a coordinating force at work in things like the “scarcity” meme, AGW, and the present food issues. Looks like the same characters hawking the stuff and they look to make a bundle off of it as long as they can privatize the gains and socialize the costs and failures.

    I wonder if they have a clue how bad it can get for them if the average guy just decides to quit… In social collapse, it tends to be the power elite of the age that get the guillotine…

    Why the maudlin remark? Well, there is this OTHER odd correlation with Solar Grand Minima … Not only do you get cold, and reduced grain / food production, and earthquakes with volcanoes; but: There is a tendency for the dominant societies to collapse, social unrest turns to revolutions, and the “powers that be” become BBQ…

    While I sure HOPE that we can get off that wheel of fate this time “Hope is not a strategy”…

  17. Ken McMurtrie says:

    @ Verity: “Where’s the Heat?”
    I believe you are so right.
    It makes sense that we should expect many relatively short term variations in temperatures and all climatic conditions, varying in different places on the planet, regardless of the ‘average trend’. It is probable that shifts from the average would influence these variations to some degree.
    HOWEVER, the IPCC claim that there is a direct, or even greater than linear relationship between CO2 and ‘average temperature’, is now, surely, impossible to believe.
    AND, this particular current record cold spell is so unique that it creates serious doubt about the claimed long term ‘warming trend’, even though it is short term (at the moment).
    Even without this current cold rush, the warming trend was already in serious question, reference excellent posts by EM, yourself and others.
    Some people are going to be seriously embarrassed as time goes by, I don’t think it will be us.
    I wonder how will they then explain away their behaviour, given that so many “doubters” have been telling them the truths all along. They no doubt will try to ‘hide their lack of scientific competence’ somehow!

  18. dearieme says:

    Well, here in East Anglia our garden is buried under several millimetres of snow. But it is bloody cold, I’ll grant you. And since everything here is organised on the sure knowledge that we live in a mild, green archipelago, it’s a bit of a bugger when it proves to be unmild and ungreen. I blame the EU – now we’ve got ruddy continental weather.

  19. E.M.Smith says:

    @dearieme: Now you’ve done it… Got me laughing, and yes, literally LOL…

    I suggest you start a movement to withdraw from the EU on the grounds that the “ruddy continental weather” they have brought to the UK is unwelcome and needs to be returned. ;-)

    along with the rest of their controlling attitudes…

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