Canada Dumping Koyoto

Ok, it’s in two different sources, so it is likely real.

Based on lack of progress taking more $Billions of penalties than they can pay, Canada is set to dump the Koyoto Protocol. One down, a hundred to go ;-)

Canada is formally withdrawing from the Kyoto accord, Environment Minister Peter Kent said Monday.

The decision to do so will save the government an estimated $14 billion in penalties, Kent said. The Conservative government says it has no choice given the economic situation.

OTTAWA | Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:47pm GMT

(Reuters) – Canada will formally withdraw from the Kyoto protocol on climate change, a government official told Reuters on Monday, making it the first nation to pull out of the global treaty.

The official did not give details, but Environment Minister Peter Kent, who says it was a mistake for Canada to have signed up for Kyoto, has scheduled a media availability for 5 p.m. ET in Ottawa.

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A technical managerial sort interested in things from Stonehenge to computer science. My present "hot buttons' are the mythology of Climate Change and ancient metrology; but things change...
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29 Responses to Canada Dumping Koyoto

  1. Rick Pay says:

    Proud to be a canuck today … think I’ll go play in the snow ;-)

  2. R. de Haan says:

    That’s a great development.
    More countries will follow after they have new elections.

  3. Brian H says:

    Unfortunately, on the grounds that it’s insanely expensive, and ineffectual, and unfair, not that it’s horse pucky from the get-go.

  4. co2fan says:

    Unlike Germany, they had no Eastern zone with horribly inefficient power systemsto shut down and met the Kyoto numbers.


  5. adolfogiurfa says:

    Canada is a mining & metallurgy country, it is a matter of deciding between regular income or poverty. Aussies chose the last one.

  6. George says:

    About time Canada decided to stop paying rent for air.

  7. gallopingcamel says:

    It always seemed a little crazy that Canadians were fighting “Global Warming” when any idiot can see they need much more of it.

  8. George says:

    Now if they can dump that lousy bacon we might have something here.

  9. E.M.Smith says:


    You just don’t know how to cook it, that’s all… Just take the “Canadian Bacon” and wrap it in a strip of “salt pork”. Bake in the oven until lightly crispy.

    Alternatively, it can be used to great effect as stuffing for chicken. Take about 6 ounces of bread cube, add an egg, diced bacon, and a stick of butter. Sprinkle with poultry seasoning. Add about 1/2 cup of diced onion and celery (carrot shavings optional). Stuff bird.


    The interesting bit is that now Australia has a competitive disadvantage to Canada… It will not take long for that to reflect in prices of goods sold, then into relative unemployment rates… then into election results…

    See, this whole scheme (and it IS a scheme) can only be implemented if ALL parties sign on more or less at the same time. Otherwise the differential impacts cause what we just saw in Canada. They signed up early, other folks (USA, China) didn’t. Now they head for the exit. Europe signed up very early. Europe has horrid employment stats. We’ll see how much pain they can suffer before gaining enlightenment.

    On the flip side, folks who had signed up for money will find the money running out soon. (Europe is broke, USA not contributing, Canada exits the scheme…) Given a choice of hypothetical money promises or real wealth creation through industry, they will start taking The China Path..

    @Brian H.:

    I’m OK with that. If the money leaves the system, it dies. Canada has just set an example and others can point at them and say “Me Too!”. Once you have three, it’s a movement…


    As this cold PDO / AMO cycle bites, there will be even more recognition of this by Canadians… and Russians… and Chinese… and Alaskans… And Argentinians… and Chileans… then maybe, just maybe, some folks in South Africa and New Zealand will catch a clue too… Heck, if it snows a few more times in Southern Brazil, they might even start to notice ;-)

  10. I am pleased to read that Canada is dumping Kyoto but Canadian politicians need to explain why they neglected to represent Canadian citizens in the first place and instead aligned themselves with the unscientific and insane propaganda promoted by other world leaders and corrupt leaders of the scientific community.

    “Deep Roots of the Global Climate Scandal (1971-2011)”

    Click to access Climategate_Roots.pdf

    Perhaps a merger of spirituality with politics and science could moderate the arrogance of politicians and scientists [decrease pride; increase humility] so they could serve society, rather than their own selfish interests?

  11. E.M.Smith says:


    Um, it was one party who did the ‘neglecting’ and a swap to a different party that is doing the ‘dumping of Koyoto’… so I’d see it as either:

    1) The people need to explain why they took so long to elect a conservative government.


    2) The prior government needs to do some explaining…

    But this government doesn’t have anything to explain, IMHO. They’ve been locked out until now…

  12. kuhnkat says:


    Thought you might be interested in this OT piece of news from the Voyager Space Mission. It is from the EU crowd as they see it as a bit of support for their theories:

    Seems there is more than enough current floating around approaching the heliopause to power an electric sun!!

  13. George says:

    I find the notion that the sun is just a big giant incandescent lightbulb to be strangely satisfying. Lets hope they don’t try to replace it with a CFL.

  14. E.M.Smith says:


    Veeerrrryy Ieenterestink ;-)


    Maybe it’s just a large LED. It is a DC power supply after all, and magnets are involved ;-)

    My big question, though, is with 6 MEV or so in the neighborhood, how can I tap off a couple of kW?

    With that much EMF, can I make a flying disk that does it ‘with magnets’? It would be a nifty UFO power source. Just attract or repel yourself from the ambient discharge field.

    Oh, this is going to be so much fun ;-0

  15. Pascvaks says:

    Villages, Towns, Cities, States, and Nations are a lot like People. Right? Sure they are. Amazing isn’t it? Just like real people, they go through periods of birth, struggle, strife, exhaustion, sleep, learning, reflection, hard work, slothe, drunkeness, sobriety, hungar, debauchery, zealotry, stupidity, love, marriage, disease, recovery, relapse, cancer, and death. Sometimes groups of them seem to be on the same schedule, seem to be going through the same cricis and crices in life. Some are friends, some are enemies, some can’t understand each other, some can. They all have their own internal clock too. It’s really strange how much like real people they are. I understand it even applies to “legal people” too, like partnerships, companies, corporations, and trusts, etc.

    People are funny, and sometimes not. Some are great. Most aren’t. Some are just trying to get by and make it through another day, week, month, or year. Some seem to have everything handed to them on a silver platter. Most have never seen a silver platter.

    I know there just has to be a connection to the way they act and the way real people act. Has to be!

  16. Jason Calley says:

    @ E.M. Once you have three, it’s a movement…

    Yes, the Alice’s Restaurant Anti-bird-chopping-human-freezing Massacre movement.

  17. “Alice’s Restaurant” hmm?

    I don’t want a schism
    Just want to put in social-ism
    Don’t like patriotism
    Just implement my social-ism
    Don’t like what “Free Market” is
    I just wanna have my socializz … um.

    It was years ago I had time to kill
    I thought I’d go up and see Bill
    So I went up and launched a campaign
    And there’s only one thing in my brain:

    I don’t want a schism
    Just want to put in social-ism
    Don’t like patriotism
    Just implement my social-ism
    Don’t like what “Free Market” is
    I just wanna have my socializz … um.

    I was intrigued to learn that Barack Obama’s campaign headquarters was in Bill Ayers’ office.

    More on topic:

    Canada is experiencing a natural evolution, I suspect. The first idea, “Global Warming gives politicians more control,” is very attractive to politicians of course. But over time, as they come to understand which politicians would be in control, some of the glow wears off. Not many of the local pols are convinced that they would be among the world’s elite and run the show.

    Canada, I think, is the home of the plan (circulated amongst the Climategate scientists) to break up the US into fifty little countries. The same plan somehow never gets around to breaking Canada into provinces.

    I wrote a bit of poetry for that bunch of folks a couple of years ago:

    ===|==============/ Keith DeHavelle

  18. E.M.Smith says:

    @Keith de Havelle:

    So is the Climategate Email the letter under the half a ton of garbage (‘science’)?

    (What have I started? I did use the ‘three is a movement’ with Alice’s Restaurant in mind, but but… ;-)

    Per Canada:

    I think there are two parts to the ‘evolution’. Part one as you described. Part two as the citizens say “I have to send how many PERSONAL $Thousands to WHOM, to be squandered one WHAT?” About then they have a SHTF moment… and an election.

    We’re seeing a bit of that per the USA now and the EU Bailout. Saw a politician on TV starting to say “No Way Germany gets to suck in US money via an IMF proxy”… Not in those words, but dressed up a bit. Still the same message.

    The background to all this is that “broke is broke”. There simply isn’t the big pot of money (real value) to be handed out from the “rich” (i.e. Europe and North American) countries to the “poor” (3rd World-ers). The housing bubble ATM is closed. The consumer balance sheets are in the red. The government is even worse. Same thing in Euro Land, but on steroids.

    Only money to be had is from corporations, and they are pretty good at moving it around the world to dodge those kinds of fees and taxes. (Lots of THEM may not really have as much money as it seems either… they have a load of debt along with those cash balances in currencies, so the net real wealth is?… )

    So when you have a “Come To Jesus” moment on trying to collect those promised monies, and find ‘no there there’, the only thing that can be done is to renege on the debt. It can be done by simply saying “NO”, or by handing over the currency with the value wrung out of it via inflation, but the promise will become a default…

    Canada is just being more honest about it.

  19. R. de Haan says:

    email from UNFCCC “We won’t let Canada out of the Kyoto Convention!!!!!!

  20. R. de Haan says:

    The UN has to be de-funded and abandoned.

    Too many crazy people in charge of too much money.

  21. E.M.Smith says:

    Well, from that WUWT link I followed another comment to a “you can’t quit me” posting. Interesting stuff: So with Canada bowing out of Koyoto, the UK saying “no financial noose for me, thank you”, and the USA having never stuck it’s neck into the nooses… One has to wonder just how soon the Euro Reich will start wailing about an Anglo Saxon Problem… Well, at least they have Australia on their side…

    has some interesting comments from other folks in the UK.

    European economics commissioner Olli Rehn railed on the British Government for rejecting to join the European Union 2.0.

    “If this move was intended to prevent bankers and financial corporations in the City from being regulated, that is not going to happen. We must all draw lessons from the financial crisis and that goes for the financial sector as well.”

    So the EU folks think they need to show the UK who gets to discipline whom…

    In a further threat, the commissioner added: “The UK’s excessive deficit and debt will be the subject of surveillance like other member states, even if the enforcement mechanism mostly applies to the euro-area member states.

    His remarks were being seen last night as the opening salvo in a new offensive by Brussels chiefs to isolate and bully Britain as punishment for Mr Cameron’s defiant stand against a further EU power grab.

    And they provoked outrage among Tory MPs last night following fears that more EU tax and regulation on the City could cost up to 500,000 jobs across the UK.

    Conservative MP Douglas Carswell said: “This unelected commissioner has helpfully reminded us exactly why we need to be outside the new fiscal union.

    “Britain needs to be outside the EU, like Switzerland, to keep our banks and other financial institutions outside the clutches of bureaucrats like Mr Rehn.

    Nothing like a petty clerk who thinks he has power, finding out that the guy on the other side of the counter thinks he is not relevant, to get a good dust up going…

    Somehow I think this is going to be an interesting process to watch.

    Yeah, this comment belongs in
    but the two topics are getting entangled…

    Now if we can get the UK to pick up the Canadian attitude on “green reparations” …

    And I still think it would be an interesting thing to have Britain become a Canadian Provence… Maybe a new Canadian Federation with a 3 way split. Britain, French Canada, English Canada? Or perhaps one with Scotland, Wales, Cornwall, England, British Canada, French Canada each as distinct provinces? I know, not going to happen (too much ego in the Royals, if nothing else…) But really, it’s a natural match. Other than that French part… But what would the UK be without some French folks to irritate them ;-)

    Failing that, a revival of the British Commonwealth would be better than EU membership, given the evident kleptocracy there.

    Interesting times…

  22. P.G. Sharrow says:

    What is the problem! Britain is part of the Anglo American Empire.Just tell those Euro-crats to bugger off. Just what are they going to do Invade! How many divisions of troops does a Euro-crat command? And the Americans and Brits command most of the worlds finance as well. pg

  23. E.M.Smith says:

    @P.G. Sharrow:

    You’ve given me an idea…. Dump the US central government. Have the 50 states join the UK in becoming provinces of Canada. They seem to have their head on straight, we ought to give them control of the marbles… THEN we can form the New Canadian Anglo American French Empire… Just without France ;-)

    Maybe we can trade Quebec for Australia and a New Zealand to be named later… ;-)

  24. P.G. Sharrow says:

    I’d rather put the federal beast back into the constitutional cage where it belongs. pg

  25. P.G. Sharrow says:

    prophecies say that “the brothers of the north will unite and put an end to war”

  26. Pascvaks says:

    After Libby II (“Long Live the King”), the “Royals” will have given it all away and back to the peasants. The Spanish Royals have shown the future to their British kith ‘n kin and set the example, and while I expect Balmoral may still be occupied by a Wales, all else with be turned over to the British Museum and annual stipends and allowances will be ended.

    The UN started as an Alliance and Round Table of Nations, it became a zoo for diplomats and a den of thieves. The sooner it is hung, and drawn and quartered, and its pieces sent to the four corners of the world, and its head placed upon a spike for all to see the folly of utopian government, the better. Can’t happen soon enough. We might save a penny too. I know, elect OBie as Sec-Gen, he’ll bankrupt it in less that 4 years and make everyone so mad they’ll quit and go home.

  27. adolfogiurfa says:

    @P.G. Sharrow: The aryan tribes from the legendary Thule under the command of Angela ? :-)
    @Pascvaks: UN´s real headquarters is a few blocks away…it´s all about optimization of markets and profits for the perennial “worshipers of Baal”. However, we are near a change, a new turn of the screw: Nature has to clean up its place from time to time, ya know…

  28. Brian H says:

    Sorry, no invitation to the UK and US to become provinces. We’ve just managed to break the dominance of fog-bound entitlement fools, and there’s no way we’re going to swamp the electorate with a few hundred million more of them! Fix yer own F-Ups!

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