There were a couple of things I saw in the Agenda 21 / Rio Convention that tickled some very old memories. From way back when we were required to learn about Communism, Socialism, Progressives, and Marx as part of the Economics major. (They are economic systems and Marx is considered a “political economist”, so we had to know about them…)
So after the discussion here:
I was trying to decide if the folks behind Agenda 21 were Fascists (Socialism “3rd Way” using corporatist form, some admixture of Nationalism usually required, so likely not unless the UN has plans for a ‘world nation’…), hard core Communists (confiscation of wealth and means of production – possible), simple Authoritarians, or perhaps “Socialism Lite” via the Progressive Disguise… I haven’t decided yet. They have some elements from each of these. I’ll keep digging at it (and at the Foia emails) after the holidays.
At any rate, after a bit of digging, I confirmed some of it. Here are the “short form” bullets of what Marx held important in the Communist Manifesto. You see some of them resurface in the various Socialisms (including the Fascist Variant which had some of these, but not all), and even the U.S. Progressive Movement embraces a few. If you look into the Agenda 21 stuff, it has echos of these. Removing private land to exclusive public use (or nature reserves) is high on their list.
You will note that a couple of these are darlings of The Progressives, including The Progressive Income Tax (#2) and they already have socialized the education system of America (which is why you will never see vouchers – you might dodge indoctrination… #10)
We’re on our way to #5, with a much reduced number of banks, under close government “control”. We got The Fed under prior Progressive governments (prior to that the banking system was quite private…) With the US Post Office and a move to put the Internet under closer government control (like in China – yes, the USA are trying to get that level of control) we’re headed toward #6. Look for transponders to be mandated in cars “soon” (already being discussed as alternative tax method to gasoline taxes – wonder why they want electric cars… and about AMTRAK and the push to more “public transit”…) On #8, we can see why the Dimocrats keep calling for The Draft and a National Service Corp.
No, I don’t think we’re under a Raving Communist Leader. But yes, I think we are being slowly dragged toward The List. So just keep an eye on anything on that list. Observe than any which already exist, when challenged, will be met with vehement counter attack (you, being a ‘counter revolutionary’, need to be assaulted… per the dogma). So no education vouchers. No reduction in National Public Radio and related left wing tax supported communications. No “flat tax”.
Here’s Marx “Short List”:
1) Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2) A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3) Abolition of all right of inheritance.
4) Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5) Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6) Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7) Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8) Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9) Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of the population over the country.
10) Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form and combination of education with industrial production.
Biggest variation of the Fascists from this list were that they saw no need to actually confiscate property if they could get effective control of it. So they simply regulated an industry into submission. Same thing with labor unions. Didn’t need a labor union if you had a ‘labor board’ instead. They were big on public education and land grabs (that for some reason was usually called “soil”…) Clearly they were fond of taking the property of emigrants and rebels… (and added a Nationalist / Racist extreme element).
Progressives tried more of a ‘salami technique’. Just a Tiny Little Emergency Income Tax… now a permanent tax headed for major size. Just a Tiny Little Inheritance Tax… etc. Their biggest “success” being public education, where they have substantially eliminated cultural diversity of education and where conservative and libertarian ideals and economics are essentially banned.
What about Agenda 21? Too early to tell, but they are big on wanting ‘redistribution’ of various means of production and taxes. Have a definite education component. Their idea of an ‘equitable distribution of population’ leaves me wondering… Clearly they are interested in confiscation of lands, but have learned a few bits of finesse from the Progressives. They are strongly “green” (something they share with the Nazi party, that started the whole “green” push).
This is just a starting point. A ‘marker’, where I can keep checking in to see how much different movements reflect the influence of Marx. One other clear point is that Marx was big on the Class Struggle. There was to be a polarizing of the world into capital owners and wage slaves. That didn’t quite work out, so now we see it recast as “rich nations vs poor” and the same class struggle meme running rampant. That, BTW, was why Stalin said Nazis were “right wing”. Because ANYTHING and EVERYTHING was to the right of Stalin. That the Nazi rejected a GLOBAL Socialism in favor of a National Socialism, meant they rejected the meme of Class Struggle in favor of a national / racial struggle. THE core of Marx. If you have no class struggle of the oppressor vs the oppressed, how can you be Socialists? asked Stalin, and his answer was that you could not be. But Class Struggle was the core of Marx and Communism, not generic European Socialism.
(You see this same Nationalist Racist type of Socialism in many of the Latin countries where folks like Hugo Chavez follow the list above in most ways; but hold up gringos and the USA in particular as the ‘oppressor’; so have a ‘class struggle’ meme too; but with a National bent. “Oppressor, Capitalists, Big Corporations” all are to nationalized or ‘redistributed’. Classic Marx. But tinged with bits of National Socialism.)
So how can that denial of The Class Struggle by Nazis be socialist?
Well, quite simply, really. Instead of confiscation of the banks, you make a Banking Board that tells them what they can and can not do. You mandate they must make home loans to individuals who can not pay them back and punish any who do not agree. You decide who will run General Motors and tell the bond holders that they do NOT get to own the company, the Labor Union will own it. In essence, it doesn’t matter who’s name is on the deed if you set the rules and give the orders. But that kind of failure to confiscate the means of production in The Class Struggle was enough to put them just outside the Communist Pale as they did not embrace the Class Struggle nor confiscation of property (sometimes…)
I’ll be putting up the key points of various flavors of Socialism and Progressives as time permits, then we can do some ‘compare and contrast’. One thing to keep in mind in all this is that the “right / left” labels are very broken. They simply do not recognize that there is an axis of freedom. By definition, the game is rigged to be a choice of which form of Authoritarian do you want. If you choose “freedom and independence please”, you are not even on the map…
“Right Wing” was historically the Authoritarian Monarchies, The Church, and Feudal Lords. “Left Wing” is authoritarian Communism and it’s first cousin Socialism. They try to dress it up with “democratic” and sometimes “Christian”, but it still comes down to the tyranny of the masses by proxy. Where does individual freedom and liberty stand? Well off the line of attack, that “right / left” dodge…. THE group in America that is fastest growing is the “Independent”. Largely as they want small government and individual freedom. Sometimes this is called “fiscal conservative / socially liberal”. That is attempting to push it onto that line.
In reality it is just “Leave me alone, leave them alone too. STOP spending MY money and get out of our homes”. Neither end of the Authoritarian Line will do….
For a bit on how the word “liberal” has been polluted in common American use:
A tiny bit on Fascism:
What did the Fascists think they were:
Some other quotes:
Specific to the National Socialist German Workers Party:
The Progressives in America loved Mussolini right up until he got into bed with the Nazis (a bit against his own will, BTW). He was lauded and praised and even had a part in a Hollywood Movie (got to get a copy of that some day ;-) His policies were held in high regard as a “Third Way” and the US Progressives were quite in favor of Fascism. The Eugenics of the Nazi has a parallel in the USA as well. You will find much of this history swept under rugs, as the Progressives / AsoLiberals (see the link) / Democrats / whatever new name they try to hide under; would all like to hide and forget it. The Republicans too had their “Progressives” (Nixon was one).
Yet look at the list of what they want. Compare it to the list above and to the Nazi goals. Look at what Mussolini did. Look at what they do. Patterns tell the tail. Fascist comes from the Italian word for “bundle” and was used to mean labor union. ALL of these movements try to appeal to the “worker” in one way or another and bend private property to public control. None of them respect individual property rights, individual liberties, and individual freedoms.
If you would be free, step off the “right / left” line of attack… avoid the “collective” … and just say NO to big government. Don’t accept the “candy” from strangers.
Free people do not need big governments. Very small ones will do just fine.