Club of Rome

Well, I found out why these folks are all Doom And Gloom and say nothing about what any good Engineer can do. They are largely academics specializing in taking a paycheck from governments. Only a very few of them look like they have any real experience, and that seems to have been limited to being an ‘executive’ at a couple of companies (One of them with a Law degree, likely just suing folks or defending suits; before deciding to just play with money… which leads me to wonder how unbiased his selection of what to promote might be..)

Of course, there is a Wiki:

We’ll start with the Executive Committee (in theory, the “big brains”…they also have full members, honorary members and associate members)

Here’s the link for the Executive Members:

Dr. Ashok Khosla – President of Development Alternatives, Co-President of the Club of Rome

Dr. Eberhard von Koerber – Chairman and CEO of Eberhard von Koerber AG, Co-President of the Club of Rome

(Notice that the company name is his name. He’s “running his own money”…)

Dr. Ricardo Díez-Hochleitner – Honorary President of the Club of Rome

Dr. Anders Wijkman – Former member of the European Parliament, Vice-Chairman of the Tällberg Foundation, Vice-President of the Club of Rome

Dr. Roberto Peccei – Professor of Physics and Astronomy, Former Vice-Chancellor for Research at the University of California in Los Angeles

Mr. Isidro Fainé Casas- Chairman Caja de Ahorros y Pensiones de Barcelona (La Caixa)

(From the wiki: “La Caixa (Catalan pronunciation: [ɫə ˈkaʃə]), formally Caixa d’Estalvis i Pensions de Barcelona (Spanish: Caja de Ahorros y Pensiones de Barcelona), is currently Europe’s leading savings bank and Spain’s third largest financial institution, with a network of over 5,500 branches, more than 8,100 ATMs, a workforce in excess of 27,000 and more than 10.7 million customers”

so how’s that Spanish Home Mortgage business doing?…)

Ms. Sheila Anne Murray, Canada – Director of the Canadian Association of the Club of Rome

Prof. Alexander Likhotal – President and CEO, Green Cross International

Prof. Ernst Ulrich von Weizsäcker, Germany, Co-Chair, International Panel on Sustainable Resource Use

Prof. Dr. Konrad Osterwalder- Director of UNU, Switzerland

(UNU is the UN University… who knew… But I guess this makes for a more efficient way to decide what propaganda to ‘teach’…)

Professor Heitor Gurgulino de Souza – Vice-President Secretary General of the Int. Association of Presidents, Vice-President of the Club of Rome

For most of these folks it looks like “Name, Rank, One place they’ve been”, but the Secretary is more wordy…

Mr. Ian Johnson– Secretary General of the Club of Rome

Ian Johnson has over thirty years experience in economic development. He spent twenty-six years at the World Bank, starting as an energy economist and financial analyst and working through increasing levels of responsibility was, for his last eight years, Vice President for Sustainable Development and, for five years, also Chairman of the Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research (CGIAR). Prior to joining the World Bank, he was an economist with the British Government and he spent five years in Bangladesh working with the United Nations and a non-government organization. Since leaving the World Bank Ian Johnson has been an advisor to the government of Chile, a member of the Swedish Commission on Climate Change, senior advisor to GLOBE and chair of its Ecosystems Services Panel, as well as consultant to a number of international organizations. In 2010 Ian Johnson was appointed Secretary General of the Club of Rome.

Ian Johnson is married with two children. He is an economist who has studied economics at the universities of Wales, Sussex and Harvard and business studies at Harvard.

So I’m not seeing a whole lot here to make me think these folks are decent “Futurologists” nor that they have much experience in real world work.

It is also increasingly clear that the UN Budget is largely being used as a slush fund for “Progressive” programs all over the planet. I think the USA needs to announce that it is no longer going to pick up the tab for, what is it, about 25% of the whole place? This article points out it could even be higher as the UN also does the various budget gimmicks of “off budget” and fund one level, bill another:

I think we are well past the time when the USA needed to fund 1/4 of that mess. I make us about 300/9,000 of the global population, so 1/30 % sounds good to me… China, India, and the EU can pick up the slack… (Since our part is just borrowed from China anyway, may as well cut out the middle man…)

Then again, from what it says in that article, it looks we no long have any control of who picks our pocket:

Led by a shock-wave of developing countries, the U.N. General Assembly abandoned a 20-year tradition of adopting its budgets only by consensus — a custom that gave major donor countries like the U.S., which enjoy only one vote, unofficial clout on budgetary matters in keeping with their financial contributions

In 2007, however, the General Assembly took an official vote on the 2008-2009 budget — and approved it, 142-1. The only No vote came from the U.S. — under the Bush administration.

That result, according to Heritage’s Schaefer, meant that “the majority of UN member states who contribute very little to the budget no longer feel the need to listen to the concerns of its largest contributor.”

Perhaps just having the USA go bankrupt is a reasonable thing to do after all. At least then we can stop a bunch of socialists from using our own money against us…

Here are the “Full Members”:

Mr. Sadikou Ayo Alao, Benin – President, Gerres Bank

Prof. Assia Bensalah Alaoui, Morocco – Public Law University Mohammed V, Rabat-Agdal

Prof. Paulo Alcantara Gomes, Brazil – Rector, University Castelo Branco

Prof. Alberto Gasparini, Italy – Professor of Urban and Rural Sociology, University of Trieste

Prof. Arnoldo José Gabaldon, Venezuela – Honorary Professor of the Simón Bolívar University

Ms. Estela de Magelhaes Barbot, Portugal – Vice-President of AGA

Ambassador Benjamin Bassin, Finland – Former Ambassador of Finland to China

Mr. Jérôme Bindé, France – Director, UNESCO Division of Foresight, Philosophy and Human Sciences

Mr. Juan Luis Cebrian, Spain – Council Delegate of the Group PRISA

The Hon. José María Figueres Olsen, Costa Rica – CEO, Grupo Felipe IV, Former President of Costa Rica

Mr. Ian T. Dunlop, Australia – Former CEO of the Australian Institute of Company Directors, Deputy Convenor of the Australian Association for the Study of Peak Oil

Ms. Eda Coutinho Barbosa Machado de Souza, Brazil – Director General of the Institute of Superior Education of Brazil

Mr. Isidro Faine Casas, Spain – Chairman, Caja de Ahorros y Pensiones de Barcelona (La Caixa)

Mr. Gerardo Gil-Valdivia, Mexico – President, Mexican National Association of the Club of Rome

Prof. Heitor Gurgulino de Souza, Brazil – Secretary-General of the International Association of University Presidents, Vice-President of the Club of Rome

Prof. Orhan Güvenen, Turkey – Chair of Accounting Information Systems, Bilkent University, Member of the Club of Rome Executive Committee

Dr. Bohdan Hawrylyshyn, Ukraine – Chairman International Management Institute – Kyiv (IMI-Kyiv), Honorary Council of Ukraine

Dr. Ricardo Diez Hochleitner, Spain – Board Member of International Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance, Honorary President of the Club of Rome

Mr. Rafael Hernandez Colon, Puerto Rico – Former Governor of Puerto Rico

Dr. Barry Hughes, USA – Professor at the Graduate School of International Studies, University of Denver, Consultant for the governments of Germany, Iran, Egypt and the U.S as well as for the European Union and the United Nations Environment Programme

Prof. Kuniko Inoguchi, Japan – Minister of State for Gender Equality and Social Affairs

The Hon. Mugur Constantin Isarescu, Romania – Governor, National Bank of Romania

Dr. Peter Johnston, UK – Senior Adviser, European Policy Center

Mr. Tapio O. Kanninen, Finland – Senior Fellow, Ralph Bunche Institute for International Studies

Dr. Sergey P. Kapitza, Russia – Institute for Physical Problems, Russian Academy of Sciences

Dr. Laszlo Kapolyi, Hungary – Founder of System Consulting Rt., former Hungarian Secretary of State for Energy Energy

Dr. Ashok Khosla, India – President of Development Alternatives, Co-President of the Club of Rome, President of the IUCN

(Looks like they duplicate the Executive members in the Full Members list)

Dr. Hiroshi Komiyama, Japan – Chairman of the Mitsubishi Research Institute, President Emeritus of the University of Tokyo

Mr. Martin Lees, United Kingdom – Former Secretary-General of the Club of Rome

Prof. Mona Makram-Ebeid, Egypt – Head of the Association for the Advancement of Education, Executive Committee Member of the Club of Rome

Ms. Liz Mohn, Germany – Member of the Supervisory Board of the Bertelsmann AG, Vice CEO of the Executive Board and of the Board of Trustees of the Bertelsmann Stiftung

Mr. Uwe Möller, Germany –Member of the Board, German Association of the Club of Rome, Chairman of the Academy for Politics, Economics and Culture in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Germany

Mr. Jesus Moneo, Spain – Member of the Ilustre Colegio de Abogados de Madrid

Ms. Sheila Anne Murray, Canada – Director of the Canadian Association of the Club of Rome and will act as Chair of the Board of Directors, Senior Consultant with Oakwyrt Holdings, President of Sheila A. Murray & Associates Incorporated

Dr. Mutsuyoshi Nishimura, Japan – Special Advisor for the Cabinet, Government of Japan

Dr. Konrad Osterwalder, Switzerland – Rector of United Nations University, Tokyo

Dr. Wolfgang Sachs, Germany – Head of the Globalization and Sustainability Project, Wuppertal Institute

The Hon. Noemí Sanín Posada, United Kingdom – Ambassador of Columbia to the United Kingdom

Dr. Ivo Slaus, Croatia – Dean of the University College for International Relations and Diplomacy, Professor Emeritus to R. Boskovic Institute

Ms. Mihaela Y. Smith PJN KMN, United Kingdom – Chief Executive & Joint Dialogue Convener CPTM Smart Partnership Movement

Dr. Keith D. Suter, Australia – President of the United Nations Association of Australia

Prof. Ramon Tamames Gomez, Spain – Professor of Economic Structures, Jean Monnet Chairholder, EU

Sir Crispin Tickell, United Kingdom – Director of the Policy Foresight Programme at the 21st Century School, Oxford University, Advisor at Large to the President of Arizona State University since 2004, Chairman of the Trustees of the St Andrew’s Prize for the Environment

Dr. Klaus von Dohnanyi, Germany – German Politician, Member of the German Social Democrat Party

Dr. Eberhard von Koerber, Germany – Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Eberhard von Koerber AG, Co-President of the Club of Rome

Yup, that’s all you get for those guys… Name and one or two affiliations.

But I think I’m catching on to how this whole things works… Form an NGO. Make sure you have a load of Progressive Friends salted into the Government Agency that hands out money. Apply for a Grant from Uncle Sugar (that your friends are in charge of handing out…) then invite all your friends to The Party. And boy do they have a lot of friends…

All in all, make those stupid working stiffs pay for everything. After all, nothing like using Capitalist Taxes to fund your Progressive party…

Others entries are more wordy. It’s a long list, but rather then edit them all, I figured “might as well just paste it in”…

Dr. Herman E. Daly, U.S.A – Emeritus Professor at the University of Maryland, School of Public Affairs

Herman E. Daly was formerly Senior Economist in the Environment Department of the World Bank, and Alumni Professor of Economics at Louisiana State University. His books include: Steady-State Economics (1977; 1991); Valuing the Earth (1993); For the Common Good (1989;1994); and Beyond Growth (1996). Recognitions include: the Heineken Prize for Environmental Science, the Leontief Prize for Contributions to Economics, and in 2010 the Lifetime Achievement Award of the National Council on Science and the Environment.

Mr. Ian Johnson, United Kingdom – Secretary General of the Club of Rome, Former World Bank’s Vice President for Sustainable Development (ESSD)

Ian Johnson has over thirty years experience in economic development. He spent twenty-six years at the World Bank, starting as an energy economist and financial analyst and working through increasing levels of responsibility was, for his last eight years, Vice President for Sustainable Development and, for five years, also Chairman of the Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research (CGIAR). Prior to joining the World Bank, he was an economist with the British Government and he spent five years in Bangladesh working with the United Nations and a non-government organization. Since leaving the World Bank Ian Johnson has been an advisor to the government of Chile, a member of the Swedish Commission on Climate Change, senior advisor to GLOBE and chair of its Ecosystems Services Panel, as well as consultant to a number of international organizations. In 2010 Ian Johnson was appointed Secretary General of the Club of Rome.

Ian Johnson is married with two children. He is an economist who has studied economics at the universities of Wales, Sussex and Harvard and business studies at Harvard.

Prof. Esko Kalimo, Finland – Former Director, Research Institute of Finland Social Security, Professor for Social Welfare, Finland

Professor Esko Kalimo was born in Helsinki, Finland. He was invited to collaborate with the Club of Rome in its Annual Conference in Helsinki in 1984, after which he was instrumental in the establishment and management of the national association in Finland from 1985 until 2000. As a member of the Club of Rome since 1999, he served as the president of the European Support Centre of the Club during 1999-2009.

He has a Ph.D. in sociology and has over 300 scientific and other publications, mostly on social and health policies. He worked as the director of research at the Social Insurance Institution, Finland, over several decades. Having a keen interest in cross-national comparisons, he was active in international collaboration in the area of research on social security. He has also worked at the World Health Organisation Headquarters in Geneva, Switzerland, and as professor of International Health Care in Sweden, and has done comparative research at the Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, USA. He has served as consultant in many countries, mostly in the Middle East.

He became concerned with the problems in the sustainability of the planet due to his interest in the prevention of risks in human life, as in-built considerations in social security. Resulting from his experience from the management of interdisciplinary research, the orientation in his work related to the Club deals with the integration of different sciences in long-term thinking about safe future.

Dr. David C. Korten, U.S.A. – President, Living Economies Forum

David Korten is co-founder and board chair of YES! Magazine, co-chair of the New Economy Working Group, founder and president of the Living Economies Forum, and a founding board member of the Business Alliance for Local Living Economies (BALLE). Thirty years working as a development professional in Asia, Africa, and Latin America opened his eyes to the devastating consequences of an economic system that drives inequality, social conflict, and environmental collapse everywhere it touches to make money for the already wealthy. He became a leading advocate of economic alternatives that serve people and nature.

His most recent book is Agenda for a New Economy: From Phantom Wealth to Real Wealth (2009 & 2010). It provides the defining frame for a planetary system of locally rooted bio-regional economies that function in balanced relationship with their regional ecosystem, meet the needs of all, and secure the democratic voice of each person.

His 2006 book The Great Turning: From Empire to Earth Community placed the current human crisis in the context of 5,000 years of Empire and lays out how global civil society is mobilizing to advance a transition the dominator relations of Empire to the partnership relations of Earth Community.

The Post-Corporate World: Life after Capitalism (1999) framed a living systems economic model based on a convergence of authentic market principles and the design principles of healthy self-organizing living systems identified by the New Biology. It provides the underlying conceptual frame of the emerging living economies movement.

His international best seller When Corporations Rule the World (1995 and 2001) is sometimes referred to as the bible of the historic Seattle WTO protest. It helped to frame the global resistance against corporate globalization.

Korten has MBA and Ph.D. degrees from the Stanford Business School, and in his earlier career served as a captain in the US Air Force, a Harvard Business School professor, academic dean of the Central American Management Institute, a Ford Foundation project specialist based in Manila, Philippines, and Asia regional adviser on development management to the U.S. Agency for International Development based in Jakarta, Indonesia. In the mid-1960s he and his wife Fran established the College of Business Administration at Haile Sellassie I University in Ethiopia.

He was an active founding associate of the International Forum on Globalization, which had a defining role in mobilizing and shaping the global resistance against corporate abuse of trade agreements to consolidate corporate power beyond the reach of democratic accountability. And he was a major contributor to the IFG report on Alternatives to Economic Globalization.

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Mr. Patrick Liedtke, Germany – Secretary-General and Managing Director of The Geneva Association, Executive Committee Member of the Club of Rome

Having studied Electrical Engineering and Economics in Germany and England, he began his career in capital markets analysis and economic research in England, Germany and Switzerland. He joined The Geneva Association in 1998 and in January 2001 was appointed Secretary General and Managing Director.

Patrick Liedtke is also a Surveillance Board Member of Zwiesel Kristallglas AG, Zwiesel and a member of the Advisory Council of Deutsche Insurance Asset Management (Deutsche Bank); he is also a member of the Club of Rome, having served two terms on its Executive Committee; a member of the World Academy of Arts and Sciences; a member of the Advisory Committee of the Wharton School’s Center for Risk Management and Decision Processes (WCRMDP) in Pennsylvania; and of the International Advisory Board of the China Center for Insurance and Social Security in Beijing, as well as several other expert groups.

In addition to his role as Secretary General, Patrick Liedtke is the Editor-in-Chief of The Geneva Papers on Risk and Insurance – Issues and Practice, published in London; a Board Member of the European Group of Risk and Insurance Economists (EGRIE); a Director of the Applied Services Economic Centre (ASEC) in Guelph/Toronto and Chairman of the Silver Workers Institute in Geneva.

Prof. Alexander Likhotal – President and CEO, Green Cross International

Professor Alexander Likhotal holds doctorates in Political Science from the Moscow State Institute for International Relations (1975) and in History from the Institute of World Economy and International Relations, USSR Academy of Sciences (1987).
In addition to an academic career as a Professor of Political Science and International Relations, he served as a European Security analyst for the Soviet Union leadership. In 1991, he was appointed Deputy Spokesman and Advisor to the President of the USSR, Mikhail Gorbachev. After Mr. Gorbachev’s resignation, Professor Likhotal served as his advisor and spokesman and worked at the Gorbachev Foundation as the International and Media Director.
Having joined Green Cross International in 1996, he is actively involved in furthering sustainable development agenda. He was born in Moscow in 1950, married, has one daughter.

Prof. Frederick C. Dubee, Canada – Senior Advisor United Nations Global Compact, Executive Director (International) of the MBA Center and Global Management Education Institute at the Shanghai University, Honorary Professor, Beijing Genomics Institute

Born in Canada, Professor Fred Dubee was educated in Canada, Switzerland, Ireland, the United Kingdom and Austria; he joined the automotive industry in 1968 where he spent three decades focused on marketing, strategy and international bridge building in North and South America, Europe and Asia. Since 2000, Fred Dubee has served the United Nations Global Compact initially as Senior Officer, Executive Office of the Secretary-General and continues to serve as Special Advisor: United Nations Global Compact.

Fred Dubee teaches at the post-graduate level at the World Peace Academy, University of Basel, Switzerland, and the University of Sydney, Australia and in China at the Anhui Sanliang University and at Shanghai University where he is also Executive Director (International) of the MBA Center and Global Management Education Institute. He is a professor (hc) at BGI (Beijing Genomics Institute). Fred is also the Chairman of Cosmos International.

Fred is a Senior Advisor to a number of high level institutions including the State Administration of Foreign Expert Affairs (SAFEA) and China’s umbrella and most prestigious think tank, the China Center for International Economic Exchanges (CCIEE).China and lectures internationally at academic institutions and research institutes. He is a frequent contributor at high level national and international events and acts as an advisor to leaders of government and industry around the world. Fred is an elected Member of the Club of Rome. He has authored numerous academic papers co-authored the book “Peace Business” published in 2009. Fred is the co-editor of “China the Way Forward” which was published in China in June 2010.

Prof. Enrico Giovannini, Italy – President , Italian Statistical Institute (Istat), Professor at the University of Rome “Tor Vergata”
Enrico Giovannini was born in Rome on June 6th, 1957. Since August 2009 he has been President of the Italian National Statistical Office (Istat).
Enrico Giovannini graduated in Economics from “La Sapienza” University of Rome in 1981. In December 1982 he became researcher at Istat and then, in 1989, Research Director at the National Institute for Short-term Economic Analysis. In January 1992 he moved back to Istat and in December 1996 he was appointed Director for Economic Statistics. From 2001 to 2009, he was Chief Statistician and Director of the Statistics Directorate of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD). Under his guidance, the OECD carried out an in-depth reform of its statistical system. In 2004 he established the World Forum on “Statistics, Knowledge and Politics” as a platform for launching a global research project on “Measuring Societal Progress,” headed by the OECD in collaboration with other international organizations.
He is a member of several international committees, including the Commission on “Measuring Economic Performance and Social Progress” (the so -called “Stiglitz Commission”) established by the French President Nicholas Sarkozy. He was President of the Global Council of the World Economic Forum on “Benchmarking Progress in Societies”. He published many articles in economics and statistics, and edited several books.

OK, this guy has a lot of statistics background. That ought to be good for something. Mostly accounting and maybe able to do a decent linear programming model. It’s a start… But it looks like all of it is in the ‘funny money’ statistics used by governments and NGOs sucking at the government trough.

Mr. Peter Blom, the Netherlands – CEO, Triodos Bank, Chair of the Global Alliance for Banking on Values, Member of the Board of The Dutch Banking Association, Chair of the Organic Food and Agricultural Council of the Netherlands, Deputy Chairman of the Multifunctional Agriculture Taskforce of the Dutch Ministry for Agriculture

Peter Blom has been CEO of Triodos Bank since 1997. Born in Leiden in the Netherlands he studied economics at Vrije Universiteit in Amsterdam and was jointly responsible for establishing one of the first centres in the Netherlands for organic food, including an organics shop, restaurant and information center in Amsterdam. He then worked at Triodos Bank as a Senior Business Banking Account Manager, before becoming Joint Managing Director, until he took up his current role as CEO and Chairman of the Executive Board in 1997.

Peter Blom is also Chair of the Global Alliance for Banking on Values, Member of the Board of The Dutch Banking Association, Chair of the Organic Food and Agricultural Council of the Netherlands and Deputy Chairman of the Multifunctional Agriculture Taskforce by order of the Dutch Ministry for Agriculture.
Peter Blom was awarded the Dutch Royal distinction of Knight of Oranje Nassau in 2008 for his contribution to social banking and sustainability.

Triodos Bank won the Financial Times and IFC Sustainable Bank of the Year Award 2009.

Off to India…

Dr. Meenakshi Gopinath, India – Principal of Lady Shri Ram College, New Delhi, Founder and Honorary Director of WISCOMP (Women in Security, Conflict Management and Peace)

Dr. Meenakshi Gopinath is currently Principal, Lady Shri Ram College rated among the best institutions of higher learning in India. .

In addition to her work in higher education, her research interests and publications focus on issues of security, peacebuilding, gender, Gandhian philosophy, Marxist politics, Buddhism and the performing arts. She has pioneered curriculum development and introduction of Education for Peace programmes at University and college level in the country.

Meenakshi Gopinath is also the Founder and Honorary Director of WISCOMP (Women in Security Conflict Management and Peace) an initiative to promote the leadership of South Asian women in the areas of international politics, peace, security and diplomacy. WISCOMP provides a unique space for collaborative action research and peace building networks in the South Asian region and works at the interface of theory and practice; academia and the NGO sector.

She has piloted confidence building measures through regular conflict transformation workshops and collaborative projects among intellectuals of the SAARC region, between Pakistani and Indian young influentials and women’s networks in Kashmir.

Meenakshi Gopinath is a member of multi track peace initiatives such as the longest sustaining Track II Neemrana Initiative between India and Pakistan

As part of her contribution to facilitate efforts to foster a culture of peace, she has written and lectured extensively on issues of Conflict Transformation, Peace building and Education for Peace.

She has authored Pakistan in Transition, (1975) and co-authored Conflict Resolution – Trends and Prospects, (2003) and Transcending Conflict: A Resource book on Conflict Transformation (2004) and Dialogic Engagement (2005). She has also contributed chapters to edited volumes and several articles on issues of Gandhian thought, security, gender, peace building and Indian politics.

Dr. Gopinath was the first woman to serve on the National Security Advisory Board (NSAB) of India where she sought to mainstream gender and human security concerns. She serves on the Governing Boards of universities, research institutes, think tanks, NGOs and educational institutions. She served as Chair of the International Academic Council, University of Peace, Costa Rica and served as a member Governing Board of Coexistence International at Brandeis University, USA. She is currently member of the University Grants Commission (UGC), the Club of Rome, International Steering Committee of the Global Action for the Prevention of War, USA, member CTC (Conflict Transformation Collaborative) – a Global network of peace practitioners, member Council of Advisors,Asian University for Women, and the Asian Consortium on Non-Traditional Security, Singapore among others.

Dr. Gopinath is a Fulbright scholar and has received several fellowships. In pursuance of her commitment to develop programs for educating for peace, she has designed curricula in this growing and dynamic field.

In recognition of her contribution to women’s education and empowerment, she has received several awards including the Padma Shri Award, Indira Priyadarshini Gandhi Award, the Rajiv Gandhi Award for Excellence in Education and the Mahila Shiromani Award and the Delhi Citizen Forum Award and Qimpro Platinum Standard Award for Education and Celebrating Womanhood South Asian Recognition Award and International Lifetime Achievement Award 2009 for outstanding work in the field of justice, Equity, Peace and Progress.

Dr. Gopinath is an active participant in national and international civil society initiatives that foster coexistence between communities, women’s engagement in building peace and sustained dialogue processes. Her work in the area of enhancing excellence and equity in education spans over three decades.

Sure likes flogging that “Dr. Gopinath” a lot… And I see we have the “civil society” red flag. (As if all the other text didn’t pretty much say “Progressive Advocate Writ Large”…)

This next guy is clearly into the Agenda21 stuff being an executive in “Sustainable Development”. So we know where his bread is buttered.

Dr. Calin Georgescu, Romania – Executive Director, National Center for Sustainable Development

Dr. Calin Georgescu has been the Executive Director of the National Centre for Sustainable Development, Bucharest, Romania since 2000. An acknowledged authority on strategic planning and public policies design, he was appointed by the Romanian Government to coordinate the preparation of two consecutive versions of the National Sustainable Development Strategy, in 1999 and 2008, adjusted to the requirements of Romania’s EU membership.
Dr. Georgescu co-authored Romania 2020 (Editura Conspress, Bucharest, 1998), Back to Basics: Reshaping Professional Worth in Romania (Institute for Innovation and Development Projects – IPID, Bucharest, 2008) Romania’s Wealth: The People (IPID, Bucharest, 2009) and Romania Post-Crisis (IPID, Bucharest, 2010), prospective studies dealing mainly with the impact of human capital development on Romania’s socio-economic progress. He also contributed chapters on environment and sustainable development to Strategic Reports on Romania. His essays, articles and interviews were featured in national periodicals; he also appeared on numerous national television programmes.
Dr. Georgescu combines comprehensive knowledge of the principles and practice of sustainable development with hands-on field experience by working with stakeholders in the public and private sectors as well as with the civil society in order to design, implement and follow through to completion specific projects under Local Agenda 21 (initiated by United Nations Development Programme in 1992) for more than 40 Romanian municipalities.
He is a graduate of 1986, acquired further experience from attachments in the United Kingdom and the United States, and won his PhD in agricultural science in 1999. A former Senior Fellow with the United Nations Development Programme, Dr. Georgescu also held various positions with the Romanian Government: Adviser to the Minister of Environment, Secretary General of the Ministry of Environment, Director of the International Economic Organisations Department in the Romanian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
Currently he is also UN Special Rapporteur on the adverse effects of the illicit movement and dumping of toxic and dangerous products and waste on the enjoyment of human rights, Country Representative of the United Nations Environmental Committee, Chairman of the Board of European Support Centre of the Club of Rome in Vienna, Secretary General of the Romanian Association for the Club of Rome, founding member and Executive Director of the Institute for Innovation and Development Projects.

Ms. Wendy Luhabe, South Africa – Chancellor of the University of Johannesburg

Wendy Luhabe holds a portfolio of activities, which is increasingly becoming a phenomenon of the 21st century for a generation of people who wish to live a life comprising of diverse experiences that make a difference and have meaning. Her activities ranged from corporate employment to social entrepreneurship and the boardrooms, with bridging the gap between women and the economy being a common thread in all her endeavours. She holds a portfolio of interests and has been a social entrepreneur since 1991 after 10 years in corporate marketing of a luxury brand.

Wendy recently stepped down as Chairman of Vendome SA, the Industrial Development Corporation (IDC), the International Marketing Council (IMC) responsible for Brand South Africa and as director of the Johannesburg Securities Exchange. She is a Trustee of the Duke of Edinburgh’s Award International Foundation to equip young people for life, a Patron for Junior Achievement South Africa to develop entrepreneurial capacity, a member of the founding board of Patrons for Student Sponsorship Program which has enabled more than 500 academically distinguished students from low income families in South Africa to access private school education, a Chancellor of the University of Johannesburg, on the board of the International Institute of Management Development in Switzerland and also sits on the International Advisory Board of Essec Business School in France. Wendy is a recipient of two Honorary Doctorates in commerce for her pioneering contribution to the economic empowerment of women. She is currently assisting an entrepreneur to start a Global movement of Entrepreneurship which will be launched during 2011.

Over the past 15 years Wendy has received international recognition from the World Economic Forum in Switzerland as a Global Leader for Tomorrow, the Osaka Junior Chamber in Japan as an Outstanding Young Person, Leadership in Practise by Unisa Business School in South Africa and Woman of Worth from the Jewish Achievers Awards in South Africa. She is featured regularly in various media (Sunday Times, Financial Mail) as one of South Africa’s most powerful women.

Her vision is for Africa to grow up, to take her rightful place in the world, to be responsible, to think of future generations and to change the image of poverty, war, genocide, poor leadership and corruption. Africa must cultivate a culture of social entrepreneurship and dedicate resources to single mindedly pursue this vision. Research has shown that entrepreneurs create employment opportunities, pioneer new industries , leapfrog economies, transform the quality of life and lead to a competitive national mindset. We cannot build our respective countries whilst we depend on aid on the one hand and create welfare states to buy political patronage on the other hand. I am convinced that Africa must let the women lead and we will witness a miracle that will astound the world. Democracy without responsible and accountable leadership is not sufficient to improve the quality of life for those who were previously excluded, exploited and marginalised. Africa must take responsibility for her destiny. It’s in our hands, we can and we must.

Dr. Claude Martin, Switzerland – Board Member, International Institute for Sustainable Development, Former Director General of WWF

Claude Martin has been the Director General of WWF International from 1993 to 2005. During his term WWF developed into the world’s largest conservation organisation active in about 100 countries, and with over 4500 staff. Claude Martin pioneered new approaches in international conservation, such as WWF’s target-driven programmes, and many partnerships such as the WWF-World Bank Alliance on forest conservation, and the Amazon Region Protected Areas Plan (ARPA) between the Brazilian Government, the World Bank, the Global Environment Facility (GEF) and WWF. He also initiated conservation partnerships with large corporations such as Lafarge and Nokia. From 1995-2006 Claude Martin has been a member of the China Council on International Cooperation, Environment and Development (CCICED) – a high level advisory body to the Chinese Government. Before joining WWF International, he was Director and Chief Executive of WWF-Switzerland from 1980 to 1990. From 1975 to 1978 he served as Director of several tropical forest National Parks in Ghana. His career with WWF started in the early 1970s, when he lived in Central India, studying the ecology of a threatened deer species – the barasingha.

Currently he is the Chancellor of the International University in Geneva (IUG) – a business school, and the President of “NATUR” – the Swiss Forum for Sustainability. He also serves as Vice Chairman of the International Institute for Sustainable Development (IISD), and as Chairman of the Sustainability Advisory Committee of Precious Woods, the tropical forestry company leading in FSC certified timber production in Latin America and Africa. He is a Board member of MAVA – Fondation pour la Nature, founded by Dr. Luc Hoffmann, and he continues supporting WWF as Honorary Advisor of WWF International and as Vice President of WWF France. In 2003 he was awarded the “Commander of the Golden Arc” by the late Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, and “Officier de l’Ordre National de Madagascar” by the President of Madagascar.

A Swiss, Claude Martin was born inZurich in 1945. He holds a MSc. in biology from the University of Zurich where he graduated with a PhD thesis in wildlife ecology in 1975.

Mr. Wolfgang Meyer, Germany – Honorary President, UITP – International Association of Public Transport

Wolfgang Meyer was born in Siegburg (Germany) on October 22nd 1938. Today he is married, has two grown-up children and lives in Cologne, Germany.

Wolfgang Meyer studied civil engineering at the Technical University of Aachen, Institute for Transport Economy, Railway Construction and Operation. After his diploma as graduate engineer (Dipl.-Ing.) in 1965 he obtained here in 1973 his doctorate and title (Dr.-Ing.) with a dissertation on the development of generation models of short-distance freight transport by road which was awarded the “Borchers Medal” by the Technical University of Aachen.

Dr. Meyer´s professional career spans a wide range of expertise in the transport field from initially a scientific background followed by technical positions to operations. He started his career in 1965 as head of several research and planning projects at the Technical University in Aachen and was appointed member of a task force within the State Ministry of Transport in Düsseldorf, capital of North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany, for the development of a state-wide masterplan for transport.

In 1975 he changed to the regional Public Transport Company Stadtbahngesellschaft Rhein-Sieg mbH (SRS), based in Cologne, where he became head and authorized representative for the construction and operation of railbound transport systems (light rail and metro).

From 1977 to 2003 (until his retirement) he was member of the Executive Board and Technical Director of the Cologne Public Transport Company (Kölner Verkehrs-Betriebe AG, KVB).

In addition, Dr. Meyer was a member of the Executive Boards and was Managing Director of various other transport companies in Cologne, such as the Cologne-Bonn Railways Company (Köln-Bonner Eisenbahnen AG, KBE), the Port of Cologne Company (Häfen Köln GmbH, HKG) and the Port and Freight Transport Cologne (Häfen und Güterverkehr Köln AG, HGK), one of the most important regional railway companies in Germany.

Likewise in addition to his main occupation as member of the Executive Board and Technical Director of the KVB, from 1985 to 2003 he was also Managing Director of a major German consulting company in the field of the construction and operation of railways, metros and light rail systems, Rail Consult (Rail Consult Gesellschaft für Verkehrsberatung mbH) and from 1997 to 2003 Managing Director of the Public Transport Company Stadtbahngesellschaft Rhein-Sieg mbH (SRS) where he had already worked before as head of the technical department .

Dr. Meyer was also Chairman of the Supervisory Board of the Regional Company for the Integration of the Public Transport System Rhein-Sieg (Verkehrsverbund Rhein-Sieg GmbH, VRS), from 1993 until 1995. When the company was reorganized in 1995 from a company of operators into a company of regulating municipal authorities, he was appointed Chairman of the Advisory Board of Operators.

He has also served in numerous senior positions in different associations in the transportation business. From 1991 until 1997 he functioned as Chairman of the Freight Traffic Policy Board and also as Vice-President of the Association of German Transport Companies (Verband Deutscher Verkehrsunternehmen, VDV). From 1986 until 2001 he was Chairman of the VDV-Planning Committee. In the International Association of Public Transport (UITP), Mr. Meyer has been a member of the International Light Rail Committee since 1993. In 2000 he was appointed Vice–President and on May, 21st 2001 he was elected President of UITP at its General Assembly held during the World Congress in London. On 4th May 2003 he was re-elected as President of UITP for a 2-year mandate during the World Congress in Madrid. And on June, 5th 2005, at the General Assembly on the occasion of the World Congress in Rome, he was appointed Honorary President of UITP.

The UITP, founded in 1885 by the Belgian King Leopold II, has its main office in Brussels and regional offices in Rome, Moscow, Istanbul, Dubai, Teheran, Hong Kong, Bangalore (India), Canberra (Australia), Abidjan (Ivory Coast/Africa) and Sao Paulo (Brazil). It covers all modes of regional public transport – metro, bus, light rail, regional and suburban railways as well as waterborne transport – and represents worldwide nearly 3000 members from more than 80 countries (operating companies; local, regional and national authorities; the service and supply industry, including consultants; research institutes and academics; national and other transport-related associations). During his time of office Dr. Meyer made sustainability a core concern of this worldwide association.

Because of his merits in the field of transportation, in March 2000, Dr. Meyer was conferred by the President of the Federal Republic of Germany the Order of Merit. In June 2002 he was awarded the “Dr.-Friedrich-Lehner Medal” and in June 2005 the “Ring of Honour” by the German Association of Public Transport Companies (VDV).

In January 2004 the University Cesar-Vallejo in Trujillo, Peru, awarded him the title of Honorary Professor.

In 2005 he was appointed member of the Club of Rome at the suggestion of its President, HRH Prince El Hassan bin Talal of Jordan.

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Prof. Mohan Munasinghe is Chairman of the Munasinghe Institute of Development (MIND), Sri Lanka; Professor of Sustainable Development at the Sustainable Consumption Institute (SCI), University of Manchester, UK; Distinguished Guest Professor at Peking University, China; Visiting Full Professor at the Vale Sustainable Development Institute, Federal University of Para, Brazil; and Honorary Senior Advisor to the Sri Lanka Govt. In 2007, he shared the Nobel Prize for Peace, as Vice Chair of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC-AR4).

He received the B.A. (Hons.) and M.A. degrees in Engineering from Cambridge University, U.K. in 1967/8, S.M. and Professional E.E. degrees in Electrical Engineering from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, U.S.A. in 1969, Ph.D. in Solid State Physics from McGill University, Canada, in 1973, and M.A. in Development Economics from Concordia University, Canada, in 1975. Prof. Munasinghe has also received several honorary doctorates (honoris causa).

Highlights from 40 years of distinguished public service include working as Senior Advisor (Energy and Information Technology) to the President of Sri Lanka; Advisor to the United States Presidents Council on Environmental Quality (US PCEQ); Senior Advisor/Manager, World Bank, Washington DC, and Chairman, Computer and Information Technology Council (CINTEC) of Sri Lanka.

He is also Board Member of Green Cross International, Switzerland; Member of the Club of Rome, Switzerland; and Vice President of the Canifex International Socio Economic Development Centre, Montreal, Canada. He is Patron and Founder of the Lanka Society for Sustainable Development (LASS), and President-Emeritus and Founder of the Sri Lanka Energy Managers Assoc. (SLEMA). Formerly, he served as Director-General of the Sustainable Consumption Institute (SCI), University of Manchester, UK; Chancellor of the International Water Academy (TIWA), Oslo, and founding-Director of both the World Energy Efficiency Association (WEEA) in Washington DC, and the New Sun Foundation in Geneva.

Prof. Munasinghe is recognized as a leading world authority on sustainable development, energy, economics and environment. He is especially known for trans-disciplinary thinking, having proposed the SUSTAINOMICS framework for making development more sustainable at the 1992 Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro, and developed it into a widely applied methodology. Recently, he proposed the novel concept of millennium consumption goals (MCGs) at the UN, which is enjoying strong international support. He has direct field experience in most developing countries, on projects and programmes involving climate change, disaster management, economics (macro and micro), environment, energy, telecommunications, transport, urban infrastructure, and water resources.

He has taught as Visiting Professor at several leading universities worldwide, and won many international prizes and medals for his research and its applications. Prof. Munasinghe has authored 93 books and over three hundred and fifty technical papers on economics, sustainable development, climate change, power, energy, water resources, transport, environment, disasters, and information technology. He is a Fellow of several internationally recognized Academies of Science, and serves on the editorial boards of over a dozen professional journals.

Prof. József Pálinkás, Hungary – President, Hungarian Academy of Sciences, Budapest

Atomic physicist Pálinkás is professor of physics at the UD. After receiving his master degree at University of Szeged he got his PhD at University of Debrecen. After postdoctoral and senior research positions in Hungary and abroad he served as director of the Institute for Nuclear Research of HAS (1991-1996) and became full professor at the University of Debrecen in 1995 His research interest is the experimental investigation of atomic collisions.

He served as Secretary of State and then as Minister of Education in the Hungarian government (1998 – 2002). In 2006 he was elected member of the Hungarian Parliament and resigned his mandate in 2008 when was elected president of the HAS.

He is member of the Academia Europaea since 2009 and vice president of European Academies Science Advisory Council (EASAC) since 2010. He regularly publishes articles in journals and newspapers about public affairs, education, cultural and science policy. The details of his scientific work can be found at the homepage of the Institute of Nuclear Research of the HAS.

Dr. Gunter Pauli, Belgium – President, ZERI Organisation

Gunter Pauli was born in Antwerp, Belgium, in March 1956. In 1979 he graduated as “Licencié en Sciences Economiques” from Loyola’s University (today University of Antwerp) in Belgium and obtained his masters in business administration from INSEAD in 1982 at Fontainebleau, France thanks to a scholarship from the Rotary International Foundation. During the time he was studying, he held the most diverse jobs in order “to sustain family, education and to save money, which permitted extensive traveling during the summer holidays”. In 1978 he was elected as national president of the students’ union AIESEC.

He was the founder and Chairman of PPA Holding and of more than 10 other companies, founder and CEO of the European Service Industries Forum (ESIF), Secretary General of the European Business Press Federation (UPEFE), founder and president of the Foundation “Mozarteum Belgicum“, Chairman and President of Ecover, and advisor to the Rector of the United Nations University in Tokyo (Japan).

His entrepreneurial activities span business, culture, science, politics and the environment. Under his leadership, Ecover pioneered an ecological factory in 1992, featured on CNN Prime Time News. He founded the “Zero Emissions Research and Initiatives” (ZERI) at the United Nations University in Tokyo, and subsequently established The Global ZERI Network as a foundation, redesigning production and consumption into clusters of industries inspired by natural systems.

He is dedicated to design and implement a society and industries, which respond to people’s needs using what is available from nature. His latest initiatives include the redesign of mining operations and the development of a novel concept of investment banking. His visionary approach complemented with dozens of projects on the ground landed him an invitation to present his cases at the World Expo 2000 where he constructed the largest bamboo pavilion in modern days presenting 7 breakthrough initiatives. It became the most popular pavilion with 6.4 million visitors. Unfortunately, the pavilion was destroyed after the Expo, however the original built in Manizales, Colombia still stands as a symbol for the Coffee Region.

He has been visiting lecturer and professor at universities in on all continents, and Member of the Board of NGOs and private companies in Asia, USA and Latin America. Since 2009 he has taken responsibility for the design of an economic development concept based on GNH (Gross National Happiness) principles and values as part of his advisory role in designing an economic development strategy for Bhutan.

He is a Fellow of the World Academy of Arts and Sciences (San Francisco, USA), a creative Member of the Club of Budapest (Hungary), Member of the Club of Rome, moderated the Roundtable of Nobel Science Laureates hosted by HM King of Jordan State and obtained a Doctorate from the Italian Government in systems design. He has been awarded an Honorary Doctorate by the University of Pécs, Hungary.

Gunter has published 19 books (written 15 – edited 4), which have been printed in +30 languages and 36 fables bringing science and emotions to children. Over 17 million copies have been distributed worldwide. One of his fables “The Strongest Tree” is available in over 100 languages. He is father of four sons, one daughter (adopted) and married to Katherina Bach. Fluent in seven languages and having resided on 4 continents, he is a world citizen.

Dr. Roberto Peccei, USA – Professor of Physics and Astronomy, Former Vice Chancellor for Research at the University of California at Los Angeles, Executive Committee Member of the Club of Rome

Roberto D. Peccei is a Prrofessor of Physics and Astronomy at UCLA, and a member of the Club of Rome As a physicist his principal interests lie in the interface between particle physics and cosmology. As a member of the Club of Rome he is broadly interested in the kind of economics that needs to be developed to ensure a sustainable world

Peccei was born in Italy, completed his secondary school in Argentina, and came to the United States in 1958 to pursue his university studies in physics. He obtained a B.S. from MIT in 1962, and M.S. from NYU in 1964 and a Ph.D. from MIT in 1969. After a brief period of postdoctoral work at the University of Washington, he joined the faculty of Stanford University in 1971. In 1978, he returned to Europe as a staff member of the Max Planck Institute in Munich, Germany. He joined the Deutsches Elektron Synchrotron (DESY) Laboratory in Hamburg, Germany, as the Head of the Theoretical Group in 1984. He returned to the United States in 1989, joining the faculty of the Department of Physics at UCLA. Soon thereafter, he became Chair of the Department, a position he held until becoming Dean of the Division of Physical Sciences of the College of Letters and Sciences in1994. For the last decade, he was Vice Chancellor for Research at UCLA, overseeing all research programs in the university. In July of 2010, he returned to the faculty.

Peccei was the Schroedinger Professor at the University of Vienna in 1983, the Boris Jacobsohn Lecturer at the University of Washington in 1986, the Phi Beta Kappa Lecturer at UCLA and the Emilio Segre Professor at the University of Tel Aviv in 1992, and delivered the first Abdus Salam Memorial Lecture in Pakistan in 1997. He has served on numerous advisory boards both in Europe and the United States in the last 25 years. He is a member of the Executive Committee of the Club of Rome and is the President of the Fondazione Aurelio Peccei. He presently also serves as the Chair of the External Advisory Board of the Institute for the Physics and Mathematics of the Universe in Japan. He is a Fellow of the American Physical Society, the Institute of Physics in the United Kingdom, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and the World Academy of Arts and Sciences.

Dr. Franz Josef Radermacher, Germany – Founder of the Global Marshall Plan, Chairman, Research Institute for Applied Knowledge Processing

Prof. Dr. Dr. Franz Josef Radermacher is the Director of FAW/n (Research Institute for Applied Knowledge Processing/n), Ulm, and holds a faculty position for Data Bases / Artificial Intelligence at the University of Ulm.

Member of the Club of Rome and of several national and international advisory boards. Co-founder of the Global Marshall Plan Initiative as well as President of the Senat der Wirtschaft e.V., Bonn, President of the Global Economic Network (GEN), Vienna, and Vice President of the Ecosocial Forum Europe, Vienna.

1997 Scientific Award of the German Society for Mathematics, Economics and Operations Research. 2005 Laureate of the Salzburg Award for Future Research, Salzburg, Austria. 2007 Laureate of „Vision Award 2007“ of Global Economic Network (for Global Marshall Plan Initiative). 2007 Laureate of Karl-Werner-Kieffer Award (Stiftung Ökologie und Landbau, SÖL). Member of the Rotarian Action Group for Population & Development (RFPD) – German Section – e.V. Member of the German National Committee of the UNESCO for the World Decade „Education for Sustainable Development“ (2005 – 2014).

In cooperation with the following institutions:

Ökosoziales Forum Deutschland (ÖSF D), Ecosocial Forum Germany,
Ökosoziales Forum Europa (ÖSF E), Ecosocial Forum Euope,
Senat der Wirtschaft e.V.,
Research Institute for Applied Knowledge Processing/n (FAW/n),

(1) Radermacher, F. J.: Balance oder Zerstörung: Ökosoziale Marktwirtschaft als Schlüssel zu einer weltweiten nachhaltigen Entwicklung. Ökosoziales Forum Europa (ed.), Wien, August 2002
Radermacher, F.J.: Balance or Destruction: Ecosocial Market Economy as a Key to Global Sustainable Development. Ökosoziales Forum Europa (ed.), Franz-Josefs-Kai 13, A-1010 Wien, Januar 2004. Preis: 15 Euro. 327 Seiten, Broschur, ISBN: 3-200-00079-1
(2) Radermacher, F. J.: Global Marshall Plan / Ein Planetary Contract. Für eine weltweite Ökosoziale Marktwirtschaft. Ökosoziales Forum Europa (ed.), Wien, September 2004
Radermacher, F.J.: Global Marshall Plan / A Planetary Contract. For a Worldwide Eco-Social Market Economy. Global Marshall Plan Foundation (ed.), Hamburg, 2004, ISBN 3-9809723-0-5
(3) Radermacher, F. J.: Globalisierung gestalten – Die neue zentrale Aufgabe der Politik. Ein BWA-Impulsbuch. Terra Media Verlag, Berlin, 2006
(4) Radermacher, F. J., Spiegel, P., Obermüller, M.: Global Impact – Der neue Weg zur globalen Verantwortung, Carl Hanser Verlag, 2009
(5) Radermacher, F. J.: Die Zukunft unserer Welt. Navigieren in schwierigem Gelände, Edition Stifterverband, Essen, 2010
(6) Radermacher, F. J.: Towards a Working Climate Regime after Copenhagen. FAW/n report, May 2010
(7) Radermacher, F. J., Beyers, B.: Welt mit Zukunft – Überleben im 21. Jahrhundert, Murmann Verlag, Hamburg 2007; überarbeitete Neuauflage „Welt mit Zukunft – die ökosoziale Perspektive“, Hamburg, 2011
(8) Radermacher, F. J., Riegler, J., Weiger, H.: Ökosoziale Marktwirtschaft. Historie, Programm und Perspektive eines zukunftsfähigen globalen Wirtschaftssystems. Mit einem Vorwort von Klaus Töpfer. Oekom Verlag, München, 2011

Mr. Reto Ringger, Switzerland – Founder and CEO of Globalance Bank AG, Member of the Executive Committee of the Club of Rome
Back in 1995, Reto Ringger founded SAM Group (, which he ultimately sold to the Robeco Group in 2008.
Prior to that, Reto Ringger held various positions in investment banking at a number of financial institutions, among others Swiss Re, UBS and Bank Vontobel.
For his entrepreneurial successes, Reto Ringger has received many awards: for example, the Global Green Award from Green Cross International ( for having launched the Dow Jones Sustainability Index, as well as the Cleantech Pioneer Award ( for establishing the world’s first globally diversified cleantech private equity fund.
Reto Ringger earned a degree in economics (lic.oec.publ.) at the University of Zurich. He is a member of the Board of Trustees of WWF Switzerland (

Prof. Dr. Uwe Schneidewind, Germany – President of the Wuppertal Institute for Climate, Environment and Energy

Uwe Schneidewind studied Business Administration at the University of Cologne and HEC/Paris between 1986 and 1991. In 1991-1992 he worked as Strategic Consultant in Environmental Management at Roland Berger & Partner in Düsseldorf before becoming a researcher at the Institute for Economy and the Environment (IWO-HSG) at the University of St. Gallen in Switzerland where he also wrote his PhD and habilitation thesis on strategic environmental management issues. From 1998 to 2010 Prof. Dr. Schneidewind held a full-time Professorship position for Production Management and the Environment at the University of Oldenburg; between 2004 and 2008 he was President of the University. Prof. Dr. Schneidewind currently holds the chair for Sustainable Transition Management at the Schumpeter School/University of Wuppertal. Since March 2010 he is President of the Wuppertal Institute.
Since 2008, he is the head of the Government Commission on Climate Change of the State of Lower Saxony. He is member of several political and NGO advisory committees. The focus of his research are transition processes in society, economy and science. In 2011 he was appointed as an expert member of the enquete commission of the German Federal Government “Growth, Welfare, Quality of Life – Paths to Sustainable Economic Management and Societal Progress in the Social Market Economy”.

Mr. Tasneem Ahmad Siddiqui, Pakistan – Chairman of SAIBAN

Mr. Tasneem Siddiqui joined the erstwhile Civil Service of Pakistan (CSP) in 1965 and served in numerous departments, both at field and secretariat level. During his long career of 40 years, he has had the opportunity to witness the rise and fall of many governments and also watch the gradual decomposition of the so-called ‘steelframe’ from the close quarters. Before his retirement Mr. Siddiqui rose to become Chief Secretary Govt. of Sindh, besides holding other important assignments.

Later working as Director General, Hyderabad Development Authority, Mr. Siddiqui developed interest in housing for the low-income groups and with his team of dedicated colleagues, was successful in evolving and implementing the innovative concept of ‘incremental housing development’. The project known as ‘Khuda-ki-Basti’is now internationally recognized as one of the best options for sheltering the poor. He was awarded the prestigious Aga Khan Award for Architecture in 1995. For excellence in public service, he won Ramon Magsaysay Award and Sitara-e-Imtiaz in 1999.

As a development practitioner, Mr. Siddiqui evolved new concepts of pro-poor planning in other fields also, and working as chief of Sindh Katchi Abadis Authority started a process of regularization and upgradation of squatters settlements which involved the communities at all stages of planning and development. He was able to successfully demonstrate that low-income people have the willingness and capacity to pay for the services, provided the credibility gap between them and the government is bridged, and simple mechanisms are evolved to reach them.

He is a prolific writer, and has written on subject like process of social change; imperatives for land reforms in Pakistan; reasons for hyper-urbanization in developing countries; dynamics of bureaucratic rule, and analyses of development strategies adopted by different countries. His two books namely ‘Towards Good Governance’ and ‘Dynamics of Social Change’ have been well received. Currently he is editing his third book, and divides his time between Saiban – an NGO established in 1991, and Orangi Pilot Project.

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Prof. James Gustave Speth, USA – Dean of the School of Forestry and Environmental Studies, Founder of the World Resources Institute, Former Administrator of UNDP

Gus Speth is a Professor of Law at the Vermont Law School in South Royalton, Vermont and Distinguished Senior Fellow at Demos in New York City.
He was Professor in the Practice of Environmental Policy at Yale where he served as Dean of the Yale School of Forestry and Environmental Studies from 1999 to 2009.
From 1993 to 1999, Dean Speth was Administrator of the United Nations Development Programme and chair of the UN Development Group. Prior to his service at the UN, he was founder and president of the World Resources Institute; professor of law at Georgetown University; chairman of the U.S. Council on Environmental Quality; and senior attorney and cofounder, Natural Resources Defense Council.
Throughout his career, Dean Speth has provided leadership and entrepreneurial initiatives to many task forces and committees whose roles have been to combat environmental degradation, including the President’s Task Force on Global Resources and Environment; the Western Hemisphere Dialogue on Environment and Development; and the National Commission on the Environment.
Among his awards are the National Wildlife Federation’s Resources Defense Award, the Natural Resources Council of America’s Barbara Swain Award of Honor, a 1997 Special Recognition Award from the Society for International Development, Lifetime Achievement Awards from the Environmental Law Institute and the League of Conservation Voters, and the Blue Planet Prize.
He holds honorary degrees from Clark University, the College of the Atlantic, the Vermont Law School, Middlebury College, and the University of South Carolina. Publications include The Bridge at the Edge of the World: Capitalism, the Environment, and Crossing from Crisis to Sustainability (2008),Global Environmental Governance (2006), Red Sky at Morning: America and the Crisis of the Global Environment (2004), Worlds Apart: Globalization and the Environment (2003); and articles in Foreign Policy, Foreign Affairs, The Nation, The Harvard Business Review, and other journals and books.
Professor Speth currently serves on the boards of the New Economics Institute, New Economy Network, Natural Resources Defense Council, World Resources Institute, Rockefeller Brothers Fund, 1Sky, and the Institute for Sustainable Communities.

Prof. Anitra Thorhaug, U.S.A.

Professor Anitra Thorhaug is a scientist and advocate for restoring the earth who has influenced the protection of marine and coastal shallow-water habitats in the Americas, Asia, Africa and several island nations.

Professor Thorhaug has elucidated toxic levels of pollutants through field and laboratory experimentation and helped nations around the world to set scientific standards to eliminate a series of pollutants. She invented the first large-scale seagrass restoration process in the early 1970s to combat habitat pollution effects and to restore submerged plant resources to coastlines.

Having organized the first saltwater bay restoration effort in the world for Biscayne Bay, in Florida, she taught the methods to many nations as well the coastal zone management principals of restoration. She taught science, policy, long-term planning and advocacy of coastal protection of living resources to nations in Africa, the Americas, and Asia and the Pacific.

Professor Thorhaugs academic career includes faculty positions in leading Universities in the USA (Berkeley, Yale, University Miami, Florida International University). Currently, she is researching remote sensing of coastal tropical pollution at Yale, and serves as Chair of Physiology of the American Botanical Society, Program Chair and Past -President of the USA Club of Rome, and is a member of the International Club of Rome. She is President of the Greater Caribbean Energy and Environment foundation , which has just brought 100 medical workers to Haiti after the earthquake and subsequent clean-up and reconstruction efforts. She is also serving as in the submerged plants section of the Gulf of MExico oil spill . This foundation has developed and had public and government awareness sessions for the environmental side effects of energy development over 30 years.

She is author of 11 scientific books plus many hundreds of scientific papers. She has led scientific exchange delegations to Asia, Africa and the former USSR. Her work has focused attention on series of critical issues: for example, on thermal and salinity pollution, heavy metals and radioactivity contamination, oil spill clean-up, pollution in specific nations, restoration of damaged bays and on The Future of the American Hemisphere.

Her consulting career includes United Nations Agencies (UNEP, FAO, IOC, UNDP), many national governments
, and industry, where she has been influential in alleviating pollution as well as protecting and restoring near-shore resources.

Professor Thorhaug remains active in the restoration of coastal ecosystems. She planted a very large seagrass meadow in the Laguna Madre in Texas, the only bay shared by developed and developing nations. 78 acres have been sucessfully planted. She has also begun planting corals on sand where they have been killed.

She has planted a great many marshes, mangroves, and seagrasses in the heavily used, but damaged Florida Parks, and was on the Florida Governor’s advisory committee to examine the effects of the restoration of the everglades in Florida on bays, particularly Biscayne Bay. This was almost a year’s work with intense public debate between agencies doing the planning of various parts. It was a 25-year-later add-on to her book Biscayne Bay Past, Present and Future. Biscayne Bay was the first major bay in the USA to have a complete intensive examination by scientists, government and citizens followed a plan of action.

As is normal in days of activating human potential, Professor Thorhaug has a wide array of portfolios including Presdient of two for Profit businesses and one not-for profit charity as well as on the board of a series of other not for profit environmental and futures societies and associations. She continues to consult to the US, and other governments, and international organizations on environment. She holds licenses in realty, aviation, and scuba diving.

Mr. Wouter van Dieren, The Netherlands – President, IMSA Institute for Environment and Systems Analysis Amsterdam Ltd.

Wouter van Dieren is Director of IMSA Amsterdam, a leading European think-tank and consultancy on sustainability and innovation. Since 1968 he has been engaged world-wide in environmental activities in the fields of management, science, media and politics. He has been awarded with several prizes and honorary functions for his pioneering work in the field of environmental management and sustainability policies.

Autumn 2006, the Golden Rachel Carson medal 2006 was awarded to him by the Association of environmental professional VVM, which has two thousand members. The Rachel Carson Medal is their highest award. In that same year, he was also honoured with the Dutch Royal Order of Orange-Nassau, in the high rank of Officer.

Among the twelve books that he published is the report to the Club of Rome Taking Nature into Account (1995), about the need to correct the GNP for environmental losses.

Next to being the Director of IMSA Amsterdam, Van Dieren holds numerous other positions. From 1992 till 1997 he has been Vice-Chairman of the international Advisory Board of the Wuppertal Institute in Germany. Between 1978 en 1988 he was the Vice-President of Ecoropa, the European Ecological Association. He is President of Ocean Desert Enterprises. Also he is a member of the Club of Rome and of the World Academy of Art and Science.

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Dr. Agni Vlavianos-Arvanitis, Greece – President and Founder of the Biopolitics International Organisation

Professor Agni Vlavianos Arvanitis founded the Biopolitics International Organisation (B.I.O.) in Athens, in 1985, to promote international cooperation and education for the environment. With Greece as its operating basis, B.I.O. has gained wide acclaim by scholars and decision-makers in 151 countries around the world, and has been granted special Consultative Status with the United Nations’ Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC).

A graduate of Columbia University’s Barnard College, New York University and the University of Athens (Ph.D.), she researched and taught biology at leading institutions in the USA, France and Greece for over twenty years. Her professional experience also includes numerous international conferences, the publication of over fifty volumes of proceedings, hundreds of articles, and a plethora of textbooks and educational materials. Fluent in Greek, English, French and German, she is the author of poetry in Greek and English, which has been translated in French, Russian, Iranian and Japanese.

She is Member of the Vienna Economic Forum, Bioethics Visiting Professor at Panteion University Athens, Fellow of the World Academy of Art and Science, Honorary Professor of St. Petersburg State Technological University, Doctor Honoris Causa of Mendeleyev University, Active Member of The Club of Rome, Founder and President of the Hellenic Chapter of the Club of Rome, Member of the International Board of the European Generation Foundation, Founding Member of the Middle East Division of Learning Without Borders, Member of the Hellenic National Commission for UNESCO, the Balkan Political Club, the Brussels-EU Chapter of the Club of Rome, the International Bioethics Society, the Board of the Euro-Arab Cooperation Center, the Academic Committee of the Regional Interdisciplinary Programme for Bioethics in Latin America, and the Journal of Cleaner Production’s Advisory Board. She has served as Co-Founder of the International Science Foundation, Corresponding Member of the Pontifical Academy for Life, Hellenic Canadian Association Scholarship Trustee, Member of Transparency International, the Hellenic Philosophical Society, the National Society of Greek Writers, the Board of the Alliance for Environmental Education, Vice-President of the International Bioethics Society, Co-Founder and President of the Columbia University and Barnard Greek Alumni Association, and Vice President of the UNESCO-MAB Hellenic National Committee.

International distinctions include: the 2004 Biopolicy Award by the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences; Honorary Diploma by the Ukrainian Minister for Emergencies, Honorary President for Life by the UNA of Sri Lanka; International Patron of Global Co-operation for a Better World; the commemorative Gold Medal of Honour for outstanding achievements and the 2010 International Peace Prize Award by the American Biographical Institute; the inclusion in the World Who’s Who of Women; the Europe 500 New Century Award by Baron’s Who’s Who USA; the Abdi Ipekci Peace and Friendship Prize; the Euro-Arab Co-operation Centre’s Environmental Award; the Ain Shams University’s Excellence Award; the Macedonian Prize by the Macedonian Prize Foundation, the Peace Through Tourism Award by the World Association of Travel Agencies, the Albert Schweitzer Gold Medal, and the Dean’s Award from Yildiz Technical University. In 1995, she was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, a nomination renewed many times since.

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Prof. Ernst Ulrich von Weizsäcker, Germany – Co-Chair, International Panel on Sustainable Resource Use

Professor von Weizsäcker was born in 1939. He lives in Emmendingen, Germany, has been married to Christine (née Radtke) since 1969 and has five children.

1972 Professor of Biology, 1975 University President (Kassel), 1981 Director at UN Centre for Science and Technology for Development, New York, 1984 Director, Institute for European Envionmental Policy, 1991 Founding President, Wuppertal Institute for Climate, Environment, Energy. 1998 Member of Parliament, Germany, and Chair of the Bundestag Environment Committee. 2006-2008 Dean, Bren School for Environmental Science and Management, UC Santa Barbara, California. English books: 1992 Ecological Tax Reform. 1994 Earth Politics. 1997 Factor Four (w/ A & H Lovins). 2005 Limits to Privatization (w/Oran Young & Matthias Finger). 2010, Factor Five (w/ Charlie Hargroves and his TNEP team).

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Prof. Raoul Weiler, Belgium – Prof. Emeritus, Faculty of Bio-engineering Sciences Universiteit Leuven

A native of Belgium, with an academic background of Bio-Engineer in Chemistry from the University of Leuven (KUL), Belgium and a Doctor degree. He was post-doctoral Fellow in the USA at two universities, in North Carolina at Chapel Hill and in Washington DC at the Catholic University of America.

His industrial career started in a chemical multi-national in Germany in the Department of Applied Physics as a researcher and process engineer and ended, in Belgium, as ICT manager. Thereafter, he held teaching positions at different universities in Belgium, mainly at the University of Leuven (1997-2005), about the Socio-ethical Aspects of Technology, especially on the problem of sustainability, ethics and deontology for engineers. He is the author, of some forty scientific publications and patents, editor of six proceedings of symposia and conferences, among them the Proceedings of the World Conference on Filtration, 1986. He contributed as co-author and editor to twelve books, among them, Ethics of the Kyoto Protocol, 2005 and Proceedings of the joint World Conference of the Club of Rome and UNESCO, 2005.

He was president-elect of the Royal Society of Flemish Engineers (11,000 members), and founder-president of the EU-Chapter of the Club of Rome (CoR-EU) in Brussels and member of the Executive Committee of the Club of Rome International. He was Vice President of the European Academy for Sciences and Arts, Salzburg and co-founder of International Expert Group on Earth System Preservation (IESP), Munich. He participated at two UN World Summits: on Sustainable Development WSSD in Johannesburg, 2002, and on the Information Society WSIS in Geneva, 2003 and Tunis, 2005. In 2005 he participated at the World Social Forum WSF, Porto Alegre in Brazil and co-organized with UNESCO a World Conference on ICT for Capacity Building, in Paris. He was a member of the Wikimedia Advisory Board and participated at three Wikimania events, where he presented a project on the inclusion of objects of Ethnographic Museums in Wikicommons. Today he is member of the Comité de Pilotage, Division de l’éthique des sciences et des technologies, of UNESCO.

Well, that guy has some useful background. Though the actual work period is sandwiched in between a Ph.D. and then moving off to teach, so I have to wonder just how much ‘real world work’ he’s actually done. Still, has some patents (mixed in with the publications in an unknown number)…

Dr. Anders Wijkman, Sweden – Vice-President of the Club of Rome, Vice-President of the Tällberg Foundation, Former Member of the European Parliament

Anders Wijkman is Senior Advisor to the Stockholm Environment Institute, to the department of Energy Systems at Linköping University and Board Member of the Tällberg Foundation. In a special assignment he is chairing a Swedish Government Task Force on a major review of Public Procurement legislation.

Anders was a Member of the European Parliament from 1999-2009, where his focus was on issues related to environment, energy and climate, development cooperation and humanitarian affairs. He received several awards during his years in Parliament, notably on his work on energy efficiency and renewable energy.

Prior to his election to the European Parliament, Anders served as Assistant Secretary-General of the United Nations and Policy Director of UNDP (1995-1997), Director-General of SAREC – Swedish Agency for Research Cooperation with Developing Countries – (1992-1994), Secretary-General of the Swedish Society for Nature Conservation (1989-1991) and Secretary General of the Swedish Red Cross (1979-1988). He was also member of the Swedish Parliament from 1970 to 1978.

Anders is a member of the Club of Rome, the Swedish Royal Academy of Sciences and the Swedish Royal Academy of Agriculture and Forestry. He is also a Board member of the Stockholm Resilience Center, the International Environment Institute in Lund and SOLARUS, an innovative solar energy company.

Anders was appointed honoray doctor at Linköping University in 2011.

He is the author of several books on sustainable development, HIV/Aids and European integration. His most recent book ”The big denial” – with co-author Professor Johan Rockström – was published in april this year.

Born in 1944, Anders is married and has three children.

Choosing The Direction Of The World

So, looking over that list, does that look like the kind of resumes needed to choose the direction of the world? Do we have a lot of Mining Engineers, Operations Research Ph.D.s? Folks who have created an industry from scratch? How about inventors? Anyone look like they have a dozen+ fundamental patents in a new industry that has cannibalized old ones? Where is the Steve Jobs? The Woz? The Edison or Westinghouse? Heck, I’d even take a Larry Ellison or a Jamie Diamond (runs J.P.Morgan Chase).

On a quick scan, this looks like a bunch of folks who have mostly taken a paycheck from various government employment or from NGOs that suck on the Government Money Trough. Not the kinds of minds that create new worlds. Not the kind of person who has built a major product from scratch and has full knowledge of how to source materials and lay out new factories, plan labor pools and arrange for trades. Certainly not the kind of folks who have built a subdivision of housing from scratch. On their own dollar.

Associate Members

Baron Daniel Janssen, Belgium – Former Chair of the Federation of Belgian Enterprise and of the CEFIC

Dr. Edna Maria Santos Roland, Brazil – General Rapporteur of the World Conference against Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance

Dr. Geiserich E. Tichy, Austria – Chairman of the Supervisory Board, Investkredit Bank AG

Dr. Ildiko Tulbure, Romania – Researcher and Lecturer, Technical University Clausthal

Dr. José Ramon Lasuen Sancho, Spain – Professor of the Universidad Autonoma de Madrid

Mr. Aleksander Zidansek, Slovenia – Associate Professor, J. Stefan Institute

Mr. David Lehrer, Germany – Researcher & Lecturer, Humboldt University Berlin

Mr. Fernando Ibarcena, Peru – Civil Engineer, Director, Confederation of Business Presidents

Mr. Frithjof Finkbeiner, Germany – Coordinator, Global Marshall Plan Initiative

Mr. Joan Rosás Xicota, Spain – Director of International Business Development, La Caixa

Mr. Joerg Geier, Germany – Programme Director, Cambridge Executive Education, Judge Business School

Mr. José Manuel Morán, Spain

Mr. Paul Rademaker, The Netherlands – Member of the Dutch National Association of the Club of Rome

Mr. Karlson “Charlie” Hargroves, Australia – Co-Founder and Director, The Natural Edge Project

Mr. Tobias Lengsfeld, Egypt – Manager of the Drosos Foundation

Mr. Viktor Vovk, Ukraine – Chief Consultant, Parliament of Ukraine

Prof. Leif Edvinsson, Sweden – Author and Knowledge Consultant on Intellectual Capital

Prof. Momir Djurovic, Montenegro – President of the Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts

Prof. Rafael de Lorenzo Garcia, Spain – Secretary General of the ONCE Foundation

Prof. Sirkka Heinonen, Finland – Professor of Future Studies, Finland Futures Research Centre

Prof. Werner Weidenfeld, Germany – Geschwister-Scholl Institute for Political Science

Reverend Obiora Francis Ike, Nigeria – Professor of Social Ethics and African Studies, Catholic Institute for Development, Justice, Peace and Caritas

Prof. Yasuhiro Sakakibara, Japan – CEO, Restoration Group, Member of the Board, ZERI Foundation, Visiting Professor, Politecnico di Torino

More of the same. Some academics, a banker / money guy, and more political advocacy. Oh, and a guy who chaired a committee…

Not exactly a ’rounding out the skill set’… Though I do notice more folks with just a “Mr.” title. Looks like where they ‘try out’ new Ph.D. folks and park the “Mr.” people.

In Conclusion

There is just one heck of a lot of slush fund money being knocked around the NGO world. I have to wonder how much ends up here. From their website they describe their funding as:

For its activities and programmes the Club of Rome seeks contributions and partnership arrangements with international organisations, public and private entities and related institutions.

The Club of Rome, from its origins, is a membership organisation and receives annual subscriptions from its members. In addition the Club has established The Club of Rome Foundation which receives contributions from donors who wish to support the work of the Club.

And I’ve got to wonder just how much of that “contribution” has a UN, EU, or USA government name on the check… and which “public” “entities” are on the hook?

It looks like the #1 thing to do is cut off the funding from The Government Trough. (One wonders just how much of the “Stimulus Money” disappeared into such black holes). While I’ve not chased down the “Money Trail” on these folks, you don’t get that many folks signing up for free. Yeah, they sell a book every few years, but I’m suspecting there is one heck of a lot of Grant Money being taken from the wallets of Joe and Jane Sixpack via their payroll taxes. Frankly, I find that very offensive.

I also found another site that has “dug in” to this before. It has a much more interesting listing of members (as they also include a couple of related organization):

It’s very clear to me that the folks on The Progressive / Socialist-Corporatist side are very adept at doing leveraged indirect manipulation. They also like to hide their actions behind organizations with very non-obvious names and that are doing things very unlike what one might expect. The Art Of War, by Sun Tzu, describes something very similar. To me, it looks a lot like a cultural war, but only one side is actively ‘fighting it’, and they are following a well proven guide.

This set is not directly from Sun Tzu, it is from:

So writes Mark McNeilly in chapter seven, “Ancient Principles for Future Battlefields,” of his new book, Sun Tzu and the Art of Modern Warfare.

1. Win All Without Fighting: Achieving the Objective Without Destroying It
2. Avoid Strength, Attack Weakness: Striking Where the Enemy is Most Vulnerable
3. Deception and Foreknowledge: Winning the Information War
4. Speed and Preparation: Moving Swiftly to Overcome Resistance
5. Shaping the Enemy: Preparing the Battlefield
6. Character-Based Leadership: Leading by Example

When possible, they slide in under the radar. They avoid the confrontation via indirect and hidden actors and agencies. The enemy (the ordinary folks) don’t even know the battle is on.

They clearly take the easiest bits first. If a ‘flap’ develops, they “pause” and return later, when it is no longer defended and is more vulnerable.

There is a definite use of propaganda to deceive. The first book from The Club Of Rome was titled “The Limits To Growth” by Meadows It was the first to use “Computer Scare Models” to create a fear of “running out”. It was ludicrous what was predicted. (Oh, and they also pioneered the art of calling a prediction a projection so you could deny it years later when it failed to happen). Largely just using exponential consumption growth curves v.s. static or linear growth resource curves to show that we run out of everything, so must stop our economy. (Did you know we consumed 100% of ALL NATURAL GAS in 1980? Yeah, it was that crazy wrong. Predicting that substantially all major resources would be gone or dramatically depleted right now…)

They are also involved in the Global Warming hype. Clearly they are working hard on winning the “Information War”.

On the “moving swiftly”, I’ve not seen very much. They DO respond very rapidly to any criticism, so perhaps it’s a mix of slow stealth and fast response…

Shaping the Enemy and preparing the battlefield? Oh Yeah. They have parasitized major governmental and non-governmental funding agencies, infiltrated the education system dramatically, and generally are working to create an entire generation of sympathizers.

But on the character of leadership I think they are lacking. Unless you count rabid advocacy as ‘character’…

In short: Seize the high ground and attack downhill (never attack uphill). Use deception to shape the battlefield. Attack indirectly, avoiding your opponents strengths. Seems to me like it fits.

So, how do we do the same thing on the “Free Market Advocacy” side? How do we ‘capture a government funding source’, establish a bunch of grants and funding revenue, and begin to ‘shape the battlefield and the enemy’? How do we start taking the “feeding tube” out of the public wallet on the other side? Is there any hope of getting action by the House or Senate to cut the funding of the granting agencies? IMHO, we have a 1000 “Acorns” that need to be given the boot, and the sooner the better.

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43 Responses to Club of Rome

  1. david says:

    “So, how do we do the same thing on the “Free Market Advocacy” side? How do we ‘capture a government funding source’, establish a bunch of grants and funding revenue, and begin to ‘shape the battlefield and the enemy’?”

    It is indeed contrary to the “American spirit”, the rugged individualist, so to speak, does not relish the idea of telling others what to do, how to live, etc; this being strongly true regarding seeking Govt funding for such activties, whereas the statist desires, works for, and covets power over others with the moto that the end justifies the means.
    How George Washington ever got the disparate group of early Americans to stick together so sucessfully is amazing.

    Just look at the recent Heartland verses the CAGW situation. One thing Heartland wishes to do is improve the teaching in Public Schools, both science, history, and politics. They are tiny verses the massively funded school boards, all run by progressive leadership in sync with powerfull unions.

    Sorry to be so negative, but the best bet is the internet (like WUWT and many other sites such as this one, doing their small part) and supporting the organizations that understand the American dream and the wisdom of the US constitutional republic. The hope being that when the progressives fail in their first goal, “to achieve there objective without destroying it” this US ideal will then again have room to thrive and, in a modern interconnected world, be incorporated on an international level.

    The progressives will fail to prevent the destruction of their objective, destroying themselves in the process. Their attempts to unite the world under a socialist platform will and are creating massive tension in the fabric of social structures and disparate cultures, while at the same time the economic destruction of such idealist are likewise creating social stresses that can only manifest as war and destruction.

  2. david says:

    In so many ways the progressives are taking walks down roads which they have no clue where they will lead, Like the European Union, like the CAGW scandal with green energy and CO2 taxes, like the Arab Spring, or the Israel / Palestine peace initiative, or Obamas Health Care plan, and one thousand other programs, commitees, laws and agenda21 type politicallly correct programs, all concieved of and by intelluctual elites reinforced in their Ivory Tower echo chamber.

    Come to think of it, their whole program is UNSUSTAINABLE.

  3. Adrian Camp says:

    You can’t beat them. You can’t do what they do. They are the friction, the losses, the second law of thermo, the rats in the grain silo. You cannot put engineers or entrepreneurs in that scenario, they will either not be able to do it, or go native and be just as bad. This is bureaucracy carried to the planet scale. Every so often we will just have to put them in their place. Just like the rats.

  4. adolfogiurfa says:

    My dear @E.M.: That long list of people and their CV´s it is useless, you could have name them by numbers. They are nothing else but well paid and well dressed BUTLERS. It does not matter what they think or what they have studied, what matters is what their MASTERS think.

  5. adolfogiurfa says:

    “The common enemy of humanity is man.
    In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
    with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
    water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
    dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
    changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
    The real enemy then, is humanity itself.”
    – Club of Rome

  6. adolfogiurfa says:

    “Limits to Growth”:
    In 1972, three scientists from MIT created a computer model that analyzed global resource consumption and production. Their results shocked the world and created stirring conversation about global ‘overshoot,’ or resource use beyond the carrying capacity of the planet. Now, preeminent environmental scientists Donnella Meadows, Jorgen Randers, and Dennis Meadows have teamed up again to update and expand their original findings in The Limits to Growth: The 30 Year Update.

    Meadows, Randers, and Meadows are international environmental leaders recognized for their groundbreaking research into early signs of wear on the planet. Citing climate change as the most tangible example of our current overshoot, the scientists now provide us with an updated scenario and a plan to reduce our needs to meet the carrying capacity of the planet.

    Over the past three decades, population growth and global warming have forged on with a striking semblance to the scenarios laid out by the World3 computer model in the original Limits to Growth. While Meadows, Randers, and Meadows do not make a practice of predicting future environmental degradation, they offer an analysis of present and future trends in resource use, and assess a variety of possible outcomes.

    In many ways, the message contained in Limits to Growth: The 30-Year Update is a warning. Overshoot cannot be sustained without collapse. But, as the authors are careful to point out, there is reason to believe that humanity can still reverse some of its damage to Earth if it takes appropriate measures to reduce inefficiency and waste.

    Written in refreshingly accessible prose, Limits to Growth: The 30-Year Update is a long anticipated revival of some of the original voices in the growing chorus of sustainability. Limits to Growth: The 30 Year Update is a work of stunning intelligence that will expose for humanity the hazy but critical line between human growth and human development.

    Do you agree?, what has happened in China or India from 1972 until today?, who are the ones lending MONEY to the presumptuous first world?

  7. Jason Calley says:

    @ E.M.
    “But I think I’m catching on to how this whole things works… Form an NGO. Make sure you have a load of Progressive Friends salted into the Government Agency that hands out money. Apply for a Grant from Uncle Sugar (that your friends are in charge of handing out…) then invite all your friends to The Party. And boy do they have a lot of friends… ”
    “It’s very clear to me that the folks on The Progressive / Socialist-Corporatist side are very adept at doing leveraged indirect manipulation. They also like to hide their actions behind organizations with very non-obvious names and that are doing things very unlike what one might expect. ”

    That seems to sum it up… One of the great advantages to NGOs is that by partnering with government, they bypass responsibility. Let’s look at the biggest NGO of all, one that is very much NOT usually considered Progressive (even though it was instituted by the Ur-progressive Woodrow Willson), the Federal Reserve. When one blames the government for Fed actions, the response is, “the Fed is not a branch of the government.” When one attempts to blame the Fed itself, the response if that “we only function with government acquesence, oversigt and charter.” The Fed is privately owned, and yet it’s web site is a dot-gov. Go figure. No matter who you blame, they point the finger at the other partner.

    I am glad that when you wrote “Progressive / Socialist-Corporatist” you included the “-Corporatist.” Here is why: Waaaaay back in the ancient days, back on the first day off the first term of Bill Clinton, I was struck by something odd in his first inaugural address. During his speech he made a reference and a special thank you to one of his former professor and mentor, Dr. Carroll Quigley, a professor who Clinton said (IIRC) had taught him how government really works. I got interested in Quigley and soon found that as a young man he had been allowed to study the minutes of not-for-profit and NGOs supported by the Rockefellers. He wrote a book based on what he had learned, “Tragedy and Hope”. In it he described how the wealthy elite, the bankers and corporatists, set up these foundations for molding public character, education, family structure and opinion, with the purpose of promoting a sort of one-world government where the leaders of business could run the world and make it more orderly and efficient. Quigley approved of the idea. Here are some quotes from Quigley:
    “The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can “throw the rascals out” at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy.”
    “The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole.”
    As I say, Quigley approved, and as Clinton says, Quigley was his mentor.

    In support of your idea elsewhere, that the old powerful families are trying to reconstitute their rule, in 2000, Steven Yates wrote:
    “Back in the early 1960s, historian Carroll Quigley did extensive research for his encyclopedic Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time. Tragedy and Hope recounted, in over 1,300 tightly-written pages of small print, the gradual rise to power of a small cadre of extremely wealthy and powerful individuals. Many were products of wealthy bloodlines. Some were bankers; others began in other industries but got into banking because that was where the real power was. They operated mostly behind the scenes, not as national political elites but as an international elite – or superelite. For them, natural borders and loyalties were increasingly meaningless. Much has been written about the Rothschilds who discovered in the late 1700s that it was possible for bankers to get rich by loaning money to governments, extending the loans encouraging government to become dependent on them, attaching provisions to the extensions calling for specific policies, and then tallying up the interest. Other such bloodlines would soon follow (the Rockefellers and Morgans here in the US). ”

    The point is that yes, the NGOs are formed for exactly the purpose of promoting a NWO-style agenda. The Progressives may be the public useful idiots who profit immediately and attend the conferences, but the big money funds behind them (public and private) are controled by a group which is neither left nor right, neither conservative nor liberal. In the end, the only two REAL parties are the “Boot On Your Neck Party” and the “I Will Be Free Party.”

    I think that freer information flow is the key to the “I Will Be Free Party” winning. Étienne de la Boétie, in his “Discourse On Voluntary Servitude” points out that no government, even in tyrannies, exists without popular support. Show people how they are being made into cattle as milk and meat to the powerful, and support will wither away.

  8. adolfogiurfa says:

    @Jason Calley (14:35:59) :Show people how they are being made into cattle as milk and meat to the powerful, and support will wither away.
    That is what the “apocalypse” is all about: An apocalypse (Greek: ἀποκάλυψις apokálypsis; “lifting of the veil” or “revelation”) is a disclosure of something hidden from the majority of mankind in an era dominated by falsehood and misconception, i.e. the veil to be lifted.
    But, is it happening?.
    You also say: Much has been written about the Rothschilds who discovered in the late 1700s that it was possible for bankers to get rich by loaning money to governments, extending the loans encouraging government to become dependent on them, attaching provisions to the extensions calling for specific policies, and then tallying up the interest. Other such bloodlines would soon follow (the Rockefellers and Morgans here in the US). ”
    Then it all began at the French Revolution/American Revolution. And is it not true that the members of this exclusive Club share a common origin?
    We, commoners and hard working people, do not understand why do they have such crazy goals: All we need is to take care of our families. I ask once more: Are they immortals or what?. Let me tell you that I had the opportunity, many years ago, to be introduced to one of them: He died about 15 days after: They are not immortals.

  9. Jason Calley says:

    Hey, Adolfo!
    “An apocalypse (snip) is a disclosure of something hidden from the majority of mankind in an era dominated by falsehood and misconception…”.

    In that sense, yes, we are at a turning point, an inflection in history. Here I will make a public confession of faith, or at least of such faith as I have. Truth is valuable in and of itself. Truth will always — in the long run, if not in the short — produce good. Why? Because truth is in accord with what is real, and no good thing is based on a lie.

    I seem to remember something about houses built on sand… :)

    By the way, the passage starting “Much has been written about the Rothschilds who discovered …” is not mine, but is by Steven Yates. Personally, while the Rothschilds may have perfected the process, it was started (as near as I can tell) by William Patterson, a Scotsman.
    Patterson seems to be the one who began the process whereby a privately owned syndicate was allowed to control the monetary system of previously sovereign states. He joined the power of controlling capital with the state’s monopoly of violence.

  10. Thanks, E.M. and all those above, for insightful comments.

    Today society is in collapse and world leaders are trapped with the rest of us like rats on a sinking ship: Capitalists that own patents to genetically modified food, paupers that use food stamps to buy GM food, bureaucrats distributing research grants, awards and tenure to scientists (as food pellets to rats) who did as instructed and generated FEAR:

    1. The “State of Fear” novel published by Dr. Michael Crichton in 2004

    2. A “Nuclear Fear – The Godzilla of All Fears” book published in 2009

    Click to access 0471793337.pdf

    3. My “Fear-Based Climate Scandal Caused Society’s Demise” in 2011

    Click to access Climategate_Roots.pdf

    The “Club of Rome” and the “Bilderberg Group” may go down with the ship, prevented by false pride* from admitting powerlessness over Nature.

    Those who “pass through this eye of a needle” to reality will have no fear:

    Click to access No_Fear.pdf

  11. adolfogiurfa says:

    @Oliver: However we should be optimists: They are but childish devils playing to be gods, and they don´t know their time is over and not because of some unknown power but just because of nature which renews itself. The change will come not through bombs, bullets or war, but silently and inconspicuously, from unsuspected sources: Have you seen how their intentionally concocted “science” is falling apart in pieces?, new paradigms, not new really, but the “perennial philosophy” will flourish again and even kids will laugh at their funny ideology and worst “theories”.
    Don´t you believe it?: Just think about “Al Baby” turned into a “Climate Clown”…..many more will follow, unless they awake and hide in anonymity, the sooner the better.
    Look everywhere and you´ll see liars and lies exposed. Light it is a very strong catalyzer and it is deadly for anaerobic bacteria.

  12. Thanks, Adolfogiurfa, you are right.

    Admitting powerlessness over nature (reality, God, etc) is especially difficult for those who have the illusion of power:

    “Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.”

  13. E.M.Smith says:


    I’d rather avoid having my village destroyed in the process of saving it …

    I’m also pretty sure these folks are well skilled at the art of ‘re candling’ – when one area starts to tank, evacuating their wealth (and power) to new lands…

    So, all in all, it really does need a ‘solution’ other than “wait for us all to die and maybe it will be better next time”…

    @Adrian Camp:

    Aye, now there’s the rub…

    Do you ‘become them’ in the process of opposing? Do you ‘abandon the field’ and give them the ‘win’? Or is there some orthogonal way? Perhaps a constitutional amendment that no government funding will be provided to Non-Government agencies, boards, organizations, UN, etc. etc….


    While it is correct to realize that the Rockefellers started the Club Of Rome, there is still a lot of value from looking at the organization.

    1) Contact Tracing: What OTHER organizations do these folks inhabit? Lots of Universities and lots of UN titles show up. So now you know that they are loci of ‘the problem’ as well. So you know that a conservative university alternative needs making, and that public funding for the parasitized ones needs reducing.

    2) Topic Areas: A lot of “green” code words. Connections to Agenda 21. Not only do you get some indirect ‘contact trace’ information, you also get clear indications of bias. Also note the absence of the alternative POV…

    3) Distribution of influence: Not a lot of American Born folks on that list. Those that are on it tend to a more European / Globalist education and experience. Now you know that the Born In The USA types are the antithesis of their objectives… and that an EU focus needs to be applied to look for ‘roots’ there.

    4) Funding Sources: We see several folks sitting on boards of other NGOs and then you can trace back funding.

    and more…

    Then you can also do more ‘negative space’ analysis. Not a lot of hard core engineering degrees nor folks with a ‘self made man’ resume. Not a lot of industrial experience that came from industries NOT on the government funding chain. Etc. So THOSE folks need to be made aware that giving donations to various “Good Causes” may not be so good…

    It is also useful to see if The Machine has goals that LOOK like they are in opposition to the Masters. If so, then you can look for ‘leveraged reversals’ – places where The Master is saying “No, no, please don’t throw me in that bramble bush”… knowing it is where they desire to be. It helps you spot the “Mutt and Jeff” routine. Good Cop Bad Cop. Etc. (FWIW, I think that is what we see with the Soros promotion of ‘the left’ and his currency bets and with various rich folks demanding carbon reduction in the west while building industry like crazy in China with a Carbon Pass…)

    Then there is the problem that just “looking at the masters” only tells you motive, really. Not how the machine works or what it is doing now. I already know that the folks behind it are after power and control and self dealing. I already know many of the names. So to find out how to put sand in the gears, you must know where the gears are and what way they are turning…

    The “30 year” refresh of Limits To Growth basically said “Well, we didn’t run out exactly but things did get worse!!! and we’re still going to run out!!!!” Yet more dreck.
    (as the spell checker complained about dreck, I just checked it… looks like it is a Yiddish / German word for filth, garbage,… Wonder where I picked up a Yiddish / German word?…)

    But yes, India and China are an existence proof that their model is wrong. Yet they have propaganda that works, so they will never admit it doesn’t work…

    Oh, and even if the Rancher is mortal, he can still eat a lot of your children before he dies, and then his son just takes over. It is not enough to just say “some day he too will die”…

    @Oliver K. Manuel:

    Yes, we’re all in the same boat. But some folks have life rafts, butlers, a yacht nearby, and control the armed guards. The rest of us are below decks in steerage with the doors locked…

    And, as noted above, I’d rather find a solution that did not involve destruction of the global economy. There is little evidence that the same folks would not just end up in charge of the rubble and rebuild…

    But thanks for the links – yet more to read ;-)

    @Jason Calley:

    Does truth always produce good? I actually tested this once… There are a great many ‘polite lies’ that make the world a much better place… If you attempt to ALWAYS speak the truth (or worse, the whole truth and nothing but the truth – even in court) you rapidly find yourself in a decaying situation. (On one occasion, while being questioned by a lawyer for the defendant, I gave a very complete and correct answer. About 3/4 through it I was cut off with a protest. When I responded to the “don’t say that” guidance from the guy leading the proceedings with “Oh, I thought you wanted the WHOLE truth…” the glare I got spoke volumes…

    BTW, I don’t recommend ‘The Truth Experiment”. I truncated it after about 24 hours as it was rapidly decaying, damaging relationships, and generally a lousy way to live. Truth is a strong drug that must be cherished, but used sparingly on some folks who’s constitution is not up to the challenge…

    Just ponder “What do you think of this dress?” and “How do I look?”. Then think about “Rate your manager- asked BY your manager” and “What do you think of Jews and Muslims?” (For many folks, that’s a no-win question. Like asking “How can we get peace in the Middle East?”, which IMHO is most accurately and truthfully answered with “nuclear wasteland”… Well, it IS peaceful… See the problem?)

    Learning how to do “The polite lie” is one of the harder things for an Aspe to do, and not doing it will get you shunned socially. Look at how Geeks are treated for being too strait forward. Heck, half the jokes on Big Bang Theory are based on ‘what is life like without the lie’…

    Per The Fed:

    Well, I’m of two minds… On the one hand, it’s pretty slimy. OTOH, I think it’s better than having the politicians DIRECTLY controlling the money supply. I’d rather a different system, but laying it out here would be a bit long. (Money based on multiple things of inherent value, distributed private banks, lender of last resort the Sovereign, but with forfeiture of ALL wealth of the board of directors and executives with the re-floating loan and new execs / board put in place, etc.)

    Per including “Corporatists”:

    That is essential. IT is also the key defining difference that differentiates the Communist Socialists from the Fascist Socialists. That “Third Way Socialism” of the Nazi and Fascist class is based on the Corporatist model where corporations are in league with the Government. (One can argue over which way the final control runs, but in the middle it’s bi-directional and cooperative).

    IMHO, it is no accident that many of these structure arose during the peak of The Progressive Era just prior to the World Wars, and then ran to hide after the Nazi / Fascist implosion (but did NOT abandon the Progressive Theology – that we see returning via the present NGO / Govt / Industry ‘Third Way’ revival.)

    It’s also enlightening to look up what the Patriarchs of these power families were saying about Fascism and Mussolini prior to W.W.II and his demise. The simple fact is that many large corporations WANT a restricted market under government control. Once you have dominance, the last thing you want is competition. (Think Blackberry wanted to be at risk of an iPhone moment?…)

    It is part of why it is important to keep pointing out that Fascism and Naziism were TYPES of socialisms and that The Third Way was a class of Fascism and that Progressive is the same as Fascist in their beliefs about how corporations and government ought to work to the same ends.

  14. adolfogiurfa says:

    E.M. You know…capitalism is the exploitation of man by man, while communism is the other way around :-)
    Like watching a fight, our attention goes from one fighter to the other…..while the managers count the money.

  15. tckev says:

    I can believe you overlooked Sir Crispin Tickell from that list. Founder member of the AWG bandwagon. He’s the author of ‘Climate Change and World Affairs’ (1977 and 1986).

  16. Reblogged this on The GOLDEN RULE and commented:
    This organization is reputed to be well “up there” in the ‘New World Order’ or World Government scene. This post reveals much and adds to this blog’s contribution to what I see as reality.

  17. E.M.Smith says:


    I just cut / pasted direct from their website (the current list). Either I did an error in the cut/ paste or he’s moved on… I’ll check it when back from shopping…

  18. Mark Miller says:

    I heard about the Club of Rome about 20 years ago, back when I used to entertain conspiracy theories about the Trilateral Commission, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderburgers, the Committee of 300 (I think it was called), the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, NWO, etc. As a result of being able to do much more research than I was back then, I am seeing with more clarity that the overall thrust of the NWO conspiracy theorists’ arguments were true, but the specifics about who is involved and why they’re doing it were a house of cards at best. What people were left with was fear and a simmering anger that had no constructive outlet. The “conspirators” involved were made out to be super humans, and one was left with the impression that they were unbeatable. And if that was the case, why bother? Why even entertain these conspiracy theories? Most of what I heard was not directed at the Jews (as had been a common problem with such theories in the past). What little anti-semitism I saw I rejected out of hand. The problem was the best the theorists could make out were innuendo and paranoia re. a political/spiritual battle with atheists, with a cartload of compelling facts scattered about, but no coherent case. There’s still a lot of this going around today.

    I heard about “Tragedy and Hope” at the time, and that seemed to be the best evidence that a globalist political agenda was in progress. Out of curiosity, I cracked the book, and read a little of it. It’s a BIG book. My memory is it’s more than 1,000 pages. The part I remember was Quigley describing how development of technology, and economic growth from it, spreads through the world in waves, literally like waves, in the sense that there’s a gradual upslope, then a crest, and then a decline and trough. As the decline in the use of a technology occurs in the developed world, it begins to rise in use and usefulness in the developing world, where they can predictably go through the same process. We’ve seen that play out, though it’s not what a lot of people think. For example, there’s evidence that manufacturing of a more sophisticated kind is returning to the U.S. The latest statistics are there are 3 million jobs available right now that aren’t being filled, because the companies can’t find workers with the right skills to take them. The basic problem with this situation is that people have it in their heads that manufacturing is dead in the U.S. It isn’t. The difference is you can’t just work with your hands in it anymore. It now requires that manufacturing workers do research into the science of materials, have the ability to do some engineering, and along with that have the ability to do abstract reasoning as well, so that they can actually participate in the design of things, not just do the same thing over and over again on an assembly line.

    Back when Glenn Beck had his show on Fox, he did an interesting analysis of “Tragedy and Hope” that I hadn’t heard before. He said that what the people behind the scenes that Quigley spoke of had done was to create financial restraint on the Cold War. That was the intent behind their actions. The U.S. had a strategy of mutually assured destruction with respect to nuclear weapons: If the U.S.S.R. launched its missiles, we would launch ours, and we’d wipe each other out. Neither side could win a nuclear conflict, and so it was pointless to carry out a nuclear attack, from a military perspective. The international bankers had a strategy of mutually assured financial destruction, again, with the intent of tempering nations from pursuing nuclear war. They had constructed a network of interlocking financial relationships so interdependent that if one nation bombed another nation into oblivion, the nation that bombed the other would suffer financially as a result. He expanded on this analysis to show that since this scheme was set up, we haven’t had a definitive military victory anywhere in the world. It’s the reason why our military conflicts have dragged on for years, and never seem to get resolved, because there are so many financial, and therefor political, interdependencies on the outcome. Interestingly, this fed into his theory of financial contagion with Europe, which he started talking about a couple years ago. What he thinks is going to happen is that Europe is going to see a wave of sovereign defaults, and this is going to spread all around the world, as each nation’s financial centers topple, including here in the U.S., because of the legacy of these financial relationships that were established decades ago to avoid nuclear armageddon. The fatal flaw in this scheme, that the schemers didn’t seem to anticipate, was the abuse of their own mechanisms for the extension of credit. Now we’re likely to have mutually assured financial destruction without a nuclear war!

    @E.M. Smith:

    Perhaps just having the USA go bankrupt is a reasonable thing to do after all. At least then we can stop a bunch of socialists from using our own money against us…

    If we reneged on our bonds, that would be one thing. It wouldn’t be pleasant, but I think it would be preferable to the alternative, which is to turn on the printing presses, and turn our currency into wallpaper…

    The reason that these people with the Club of Rome and the UN have any credibility at all, I think, has to do with the fact that even though our schools teach “science” and “math,” hardly anybody understands science, and mathematics (it’s important to have them together!), or economics, and hardly anybody has an engineering background. Not even among our elites! If most people did, they’d throw these people out on their ear.

    I agree with david, that we can’t win on their terms. The reason they pursued government funding and got it is that’s what they want! They want to live in a world where they don’t have to earn their living, where it’s just granted to them, based on their politics. Glenn Beck has been advocating for a while, and I think this provides a more amenable solution, that we try to win our way. Just because one side in a battle is using a set of tactics and strategies to win doesn’t mean that the other side has to adopt the same. Sure, know your enemy, but you’re not going to fight the same way they do, because you don’t think the way they do, and you don’t hold the same things as important. It’s not just a difference in political teams. It’s a difference in world view.

  19. E.M.Smith says:


    He’s there, just a couple up from the bottom of the “just name and rank” full member:

    Sir Crispin Tickell, United Kingdom – Director of the Policy Foresight Programme at the 21st Century School, Oxford University, Advisor at Large to the President of Arizona State University since 2004, Chairman of the Trustees of the St Andrew’s Prize for the Environment

  20. E.M.Smith says:

    @Mark Miller:

    Thanks for the exposition. Reading another 1000 pages is not high on my ‘desirable” list…

    IMHO, if you have 10 conspirators / managers in a room, you have 20 positions taken and 100 positions discussed and advocated… I doubt that things are highly coordinated… more “advocated”.

    With that said, there are are plenty of bits of evidence for high level folks “working to a common end…” They also end up with a load of money in their pockets is surely just a coincidence…

    BTW, Sun Tsu said to never fight a long war… get it over with fast.

    Oddly, since our “money” (actually just currency) is essentially worthless, the collapse of the “financial system” isn’t very important really. (Only to folks who claim to have all the “money” does it matter, and most of us are substantially neutral to negative balances if you don’t count the worth of “stuff” like our homes, but only “money assets” like bonds).

    Through history there have been many times countries and even continents have changed their money system (most lately when the Euro was created). No big deal, really. So it would be pretty easy to isolate the USA from a Euro meltdown. Unless….

    If you abrogate Contract Law and Bankruptcy Law (as Obama has done and as advocated by Socialism and Marxism) then those that hold the “money” and banks get “bailed out” at the expense of a tax burden on the rest of us. If that part can be avoided, and those that are bankrupted get cleaned out, what do I care? So, IMHO, simply letting the failed policy fail is all it takes.

    Of course, if I had a few $Million invested in financial instruments I’d have a different opinion…

    Per “fighting their way” vs not:

    On one occasion I managed to “point” on a Black Belt in practice for tournament. He outranked me by about 6 rank levels. (It was ‘mutual slaying’ in that he pointed on me at the same time).

    It is the only time I’ve been able to do that. I did it by “being a mirror” and doing what he did. If he went high, I went high. If he crouched, I crouched. Then I shifted and he went to a deep crouch while I stayed in ‘combat stance’ (shortly after which he took final point and match…)

    Even though I didn’t “think like him” or know his strategy, “being a mirror” can shake up an opponent and provides some advantages at times.

    However, it’s also good to have your own “twists” along the way… Being “the mirror, but different”…

    So one can recognize the need for, for example, “Swift counterattack on publicity attacks”, while choosing to do them morally and with sound backing in real science and clean data… And just because your opponent has a strong front kick doesn’t mean you ought not to use kicks too…

    IMHO, we need to both copy the “useful bits” and innovate the unexpected.

    At least, it’s always worked in the Dojo…

  21. Jason Calley says:

    @ E.M.
    “Oddly, since our “money” (actually just currency) is essentially worthless, the collapse of the “financial system” isn’t very important really. (Only to folks who claim to have all the “money” does it matter, and most of us are substantially neutral to negative balances if you don’t count the worth of “stuff” like our homes, but only “money assets” like bonds). ”

    Yes, and that is an important point you make. If the financial system goes toes up, our wealth does not change — at least not if we think of “wealth” as “things we have which possess usefulness.” A house is still a house, a car is still a car, an education or a tool is still an education or a tool. The thing that changes is that our “scoring system” is reset to zero and the rules may change.

  22. Mark Miller says:

    With that said, there are are plenty of bits of evidence for high level folks “working to a common end…” They also end up with a load of money in their pockets is surely just a coincidence…

    I’m noticing that a lot more now. It’s looking like it’s common practice. If you are “important” enough (ie. are politically important), you get bailed out. If not, well, the rules of capitalism apply to you. Tough luck. John Corzine recently found that out. His “fall from grace”…

    Really what the conspiracy theorists have been describing are the collaborations of certain corporations, governments, and NGOs, some of whom have a self interest in moving things in this direction, and some who have an ideological (some would more accurately describe it as religious) interest. It’s not all that secret, either, if you know where to look. This activity is hiding in plain sight most of the time. In some ways the participants are very open about what they’re doing, though they’re very good about justifying it in ways that a lot of people can understand, and not get alarmed over, while muting the implications that go against most people’s interests. A lot of people can understand and believe in an abstract concept that has little relation to what’s really going on, so long as they don’t have to think about it that much. It seems futile to try to pop their bubbles, because to do that requires them to think and analyze what’s going on, with an understanding of how power works. The problem is this feels so removed from their reality of day to day life. It’s a bit easier to just give them something new to believe in, though that tends to get into “religious” discussions, and “which side you’re on.” Pretty mundane, but it’s at least something a lot more people can understand. Progressives understand this state of affairs all too well. Reagan understood it, but I haven’t seen any conservatives since who have understood it.

    If that part can be avoided, and those that are bankrupted get cleaned out, what do I care? So, IMHO, simply letting the failed policy fail is all it takes.

    I’m seeing that as well. I’m more dependent on cash at this point, so a financial failure would likely affect me, but I’ve come around to the idea that the longer we enable this immoral political behavior that’s taking away the ability of honest people to thrive, the worse off we’ll be. I’ve wondered sometimes if it wouldn’t be better to encourage the bad actors to just keep doing what they’re doing–do it MORE, so that the system will fail faster. As long as we have this slow degradation, people are going to become inured to it. If it happens fast, people will be alarmed before they can get used to it. That will give some more people a chance to realize that something is wrong, and needs to be fundamentally changed away from the way they’ve been done. Still, that’s a big gamble. It’ll depend on where people’s values are. If people value autonomy, they will tend to want to take the opportunity to throw off the controls that have been placed on them, and demand things that will give them more control over their destiny. If people value security, well…the same people who caused the problem will gladly come forward and offer that. We saw that happen in ’08. I do kind of feel like, “Let’s stop pretending about who we are, okay? Let’s make a decision.” If we’re really a country slouching towards socialism, and that’s where most Americans want to be, then just get it over with! We’ve been “traveling down this road” for decades. I used to believe in it (without understanding its implications), and then realized it wasn’t such a great idea, but I tolerated it in the interest of what I thought were good goals. Now I’m saying “F*** it!” If we believe in this, then we ought to have it and live with the consequences. If, on the other hand, we can realize we’re making a mistake, then let’s decide we want to change direction. I hope we choose the latter, but if “we’re all socialists now,” I’d rather know the truth and get that out in the open than play this game every four years where we toy with socialistic ideas but still call ourselves “the land of the free, and the home of the brave.”

  23. Mark Miller says:

    I have tried to think sometimes about what inspires people to pursue these goals (re. Club of Rome). It is about power, but I wonder if there’s a cultural desire as well for the West to become “post-modern” in the sense of keeping some modernity, but otherwise returning to a state of affairs that existed in the West over 200 years ago. I got a sense of this from watching Kenneth Clark’s series “Civilisation” (UK spelling). He gave a sweep of Western cultural history from the fall of the Roman Empire to the first half of the 20th century. When he got to the 19th century, and then to the 20th, I felt a sense of shock. He did such a good job of conveying the culture that existed during each era, in sequence, that I realized that the Industrial Revolution was a radical departure from what had been considered “normal progress” before that, and that it was somehow ugly, and inhuman. I never had that experience with our modern existence. I didn’t get a sense that he put it forward as propaganda. He didn’t have to try that hard to give that impression.

    I wondered after seeing that if perhaps the people who are promoting an anti-capitalist, anti-industrial agenda in the West are what I’d call “European traditionalists,” who, from the 19th century onward, on a cultural level, have regarded our modern industrial society as a horrendous mistake. The thing is they seem like horrendous hypocrites. I doubt that they for one moment would choose to really live like people in the West did in the 18th century. Maybe they just expect that of the rest of us, a kind of modern feudalism.

  24. Ripper says:

    Good post E.M. Reminds me of a thought provoking book I read recently that was written in 1972 where it was argued that communism was inflicted on countries from the top down , not the bottom up amongst many other things.

    Found the pdf of it

    Click to access none-dare-call-it-conspiracy%5B1%5D.pdf

  25. Bone Idle says:

    Academics – grown up children who never got out of school.

  26. Jason Calley says:

    @ Mark Miller

    I think your last three sentences,
    “The thing is they seem like horrendous hypocrites. I doubt that they for one moment would choose to really live like people in the West did in the 18th century. Maybe they just expect that of the rest of us, a kind of modern feudalism.”
    sums it up perfectly. These are the same people who tell us that CO2 is causing an environmental catastrophe, but who live in 10,000 ft2 homes and fly in private jets. They tell us that we need to ride bicycles while they convene for discussion in Tahiti. They are consummate hypocrites, and are only honest in that they honestly think that they are suited to wear spurs while you and I wear saddles. Of course, they never say that part out loud, but their actions speak more clearly than their words.

    As for the rest of your last two posts, well, no need for me to even comment. You have nailed it so well and so correctly (IMHO), that I could never phrase it any better. Well said!

  27. adolfogiurfa says:

    @Jason Calley (03:42:24) : Good economical observation. Living in cities and not having food producing land property we have become really poor.
    International methods for determining poverty, for example, consider indigenous populations in SA as being the poorest, however in a emergency situation they are the richest.(many of them have been, of course, deceived and attracted to emigrate to cities). We tend to classify as poor those living independently of the “stuff” we use. Our situation in a critical scenario it is really fearsome.

  28. tckev says:

    Just a few item on Sir Crispin Tickell, he’s a member of the Huxely family.

    His website is here is here
    an interesting CV is there.

    The last item I can see that he’s done, as a environmental pioneer, here…

  29. w.w.wygart says:

    “The Limits of Growth” by Donella H. Meadows/Club of Rome, pure paranoia, inspiring nothing but fear – I could never be bothered to read it.

    “The Power of Limits: proportional harmonies in nature, art, and architecture” by Gyrgy Doczi, purely visionary, inspiring nothing but wonder – a cherished companion of mine since I was a young man.

    Unfortunately the ‘The Limits to Power’ seems to have become lost.

    What I have not heard in the discussion so far is the discussion of the recidivist tendency of the ‘post modern’ towards the aristocratic. Everywhere we see the self-anointing of new elites proclaiming their prerogative, especially among academics. Why is that in a world where democracy, and the expansion of the franchise to women and minorities has been the norm for over two centuries?

    Have you ever noticed how ‘Masterpiece Theater’ it is to be fascinated by old world aristocrats and their scandals and shenanigans? Is there a kind of envy there? There is a reason for that. There is also a reason why those who find the aristocratic fascinating and romantic [as opposed to loathsome and revolting] often style themselves as anti-Americans. It is a uniquely American [and modern] trait to overthrow an aristocracy and replace it with no one, it is also why so many more ordinary Americans have a hard time understanding how someone else, who is ostensibly their neighbor, could wish to make them their serf, they would never conceive to do so themselves. Its not that Americans are by nature populists looking for a dictator, they see themselves as dictators of their own lives. It is an the aristocratic impulse to make themselves the dictators to the public or rather the commoners.

    The highest ethical statement that a human can aspire to is, “I will not impose my will upon another.” As far as this world goes it also means to be derided, bulldozed and or chained to a plow. Now, notice who it is that seeks to rationalize and to actualize the opposite, to impose their will as greatly as possible upon everyone else.


  30. david says:

    E.M. Smith says…
    I’d rather avoid having my village destroyed in the process of saving it …
    I’m also pretty sure these folks are well skilled at the art of ‘re candling’ – when one area starts to tank, evacuating their wealth (and power) to new lands…
    So, all in all, it really does need a ‘solution’ other than ““wait for us all to die and maybe it will be better next time”…
    It was not my intent to convey that we may have to all die in order to do better next time. I am not a fatalist, but sometimes I am very discouraged by what I do see. In sunnier moments I understand that humanity has matured greatly. I see the current Islamists as the last vestige of the dark age mentality, which, if it were still pervasive, we would have already entered nuclear Armageddon; “if not brothers in life, then brothers in violent death.”

    However I do see the progressive agenda 21 types movements as having a massive head start in organization, objective goals, billions in funding, and therefore an almost tectonic plate size momentum. These masters of co-dependency (and I use that word in its darkest psychological context) have, purposefully or not, created tens of millions of additional dependents in the last few years alone. I see OWS as a manifestation of the co-dependence of manufactured victim hood. It did not surprise me in the least to see Obama encourage this divisive anarchist mentality. It is not that SOME of OWS complaints are baseless, as I feel they are not, it is just that they see the solutions as consolidating ever more power into some rulers hand, and all of them appear completely ignorant of the founding principles of USA, or of how they are being played.

    Overall I am concerned that we, much of the world, have become addicted to blame and Govt dependency, and that the successes already realized by those statists have progressed to far down the lines of economic destruction and blame consciousness to reverse in time. In my life and own actions and resultant effects, I have found that “pain is a prod to memory”

    Now I did suggest a little more then “better next time “ in my short list of proactive solutions. “…the best bet is the internet (like WUWT and many other sites such as this one, doing their small part) and supporting the organizations that understand the American dream and the wisdom of the US constitutional republic…”

    Let me make a better effort. Perhaps one way to think creatively is to imagine what one would do with their resources if they were multi billionaires. For one, you sir would be fully employed in whatever direction you wished, and if I had one hundred of you, they to would all be fully employed. But employed in what manner? I referenced the internet, and groups like WUWT, and Climate Audit, just to name two which, even with a microscopic budget, have been tremendously effective in moving public perspectives. I would still love to see some things articulated more clearly, and the reach of those sites extended. Doblemint Gum use advertising to induce more people to chew gum, it would appear reasonable to allow WUWT, Climate Audit, and this site to advertise to encourage people to chew good ideas.

    A VERY detailed blog post, article, possibly a book and series of TV documentaries on what energy policy is technologically possible and sustainable, which would at the same time create jobs and efficiency throughout the economy via a reduction in the cost of the “life blood” of every economy, energy. Hell, I am pretty creative, let us do the documentary in 3-D and show it for reduced cost at Imax theaters and planetariums all over. Let the price be reduced, maybe five dollars, 100% going to the venue with a free Soda thrown in. Cost for twenty million to see, about five million to produce, and 40 million for the free sodas. One very talented E-M. Smith to head this task force and move it forward to fruition would be greatly appreciated.

    Support a law which says government money will also go to the qualified independent and publicly recognized skeptics of any scientific controversy which involves proposed public actions. At the same time demand full public disclosure of all scientific papers and public viewable debate between qualified individuals of respective opinions. I need another well paid E.M Smith for this.

    Some sort of new law would mandate that lobby groups publicly reveal there backing, must act with full disclosure of their actions and what they are recommending policy to be. To ensure this no personal contact with government Congressman, Senators and staff or agencies or NGO’s is allowed, but all communication must be done publicly, over the internet, with certain proprietary facts only being communicated in hidden disclosure. To ensure this, government representatives handling powerful groups lobby efforts would be rotated randomly, so that no one could get to close and personal with lobby groups.

    All laws that apply to the people, must also apply to Congressmen and Senator’s

    All unelected program directors and agencies (think EPA, DOE,, etc) would be required to articulate their actions in the public, via the internet, and all the recommended actions, as well as the studies used to justify such programs, would be vetted in the public arena, with private known skeptics of said policy recommendations being given open access and the ability to convey their POV, also publicly funded.

    Now for the most important long term welfare of any society. How to reform education.
    All public curriculum debate would also be done in view of the public and presented in open debate, just as the science policy, and Government agencies would all now operate with disclosure and publicly viewable professional debate of opposing views. Curriculum would be required to be written by publicly recognized think tanks, with both groups programs taught and conveyed, and the disagreement presented. The ability of Government schools, agencies, and representatives to control the Government message in “official” Government web sites and communication would be eliminated, with viable alternative perspectives having equal representation in presenting the message as they see it, not as how some official perceives it. For instance, the EPA on their own web pages promoting wind power, would have to included E.M. Smiths view point and criticisms, as he sees them. E.M. here of course symbolically represents the focal communication of a legitimate group of professional people educated in energy policy, such as the Heartland institute.

    To ensure each state is doing the above, teaching both sides view point of positive policy and social structure, and each sides negative critique of the other’s position are being taught, the Federal Government would be involved, but this would be the limit of their involvement. Where three or four viewpoints are commonly accepted as viable, then these also would be allowed representation in the public forum for debate and curriculum.

    Develop a course on “Happiness., how to obtain and keep it.” At first glance
    is appears to be both unimportant and unrealistic of little practical value, with the common conception being different strokes for different folks.

    This is however, upon deeper reflection, the most important and practical education a society can have if it communicates the following assertions, and the logical reasons behind said assertions. The removal of pain and want and the attainment of happiness is herein a priori presented as the goal of all actions of all people. As such an understanding of how different forms of happiness, and how they are best achieved and maintained within a culture, is fundamentally relevant to the success of said society.

    There are, in the broadest sense, primarily two kinds of happiness which exist. One is capable of producing long term happiness, and in general necessary and universal to humans for happiness, and the other is always temporary and not in any realistic sense seen as universal. One is necessity based, conveyed here as “necessary necessities“, and these are few in number, while the other is desire based and these are unlimited. Some “necessary necessities are physical, mental and spiritual, and could be called natural needs, and the other perceived necessities are created and self induced. The latter we will call Pleasure.

    Pleasure is the result of a desired fulfilled, but is not the result of, or contained externally within, the desired object. If happiness is was intrinsic within the object itself, then that pretty red dress which Mary desires and has been wanting for weeks, the sense of “want” ever creating a feeling of dissatisfaction whenever she thinks of the lack of the red dress., in and of itself would impart happiness to anybody who possessed it. However we observe that giving that dress to Sam, who has no desire for it, gives him no happiness.
    When Mary first obtain the desired red dress we observe however that her reaction is entirely different then Sam’s. She feels an excitation consciousness we will call “pleasure”; a sense of satisfaction in having gained the wanted object; Therefore we conclude that said happiness for Mary was the result of, not the dress itself, but of the fulfillment of her desire for it. We observe that three months later, after wearing her new dress numerous times, Mary no longer feels the same pleasure from her red dress. Now it is just another piece of clothing in her closet. The sense of satisfaction she got upon first possessing the dress is gone.

    It is not herein debated that a person cannot derive long term satisfaction and or pleasure from a unnecessary object. The reasons for various lengths of pleasure derived from unnecessary pleasures and desires is cause for a more in depth philosophic discussion not relevant to the main point of view presented. What is fundamental to acknowledge is that it is apparent that the desire for objects creates a sense of “want” and the removing of that “need” created a sense of pleasure, an excitation conciseness, perceived of as pleasure, which is primarily derived from fulfillment of the “need” state, and not from any intrinsic quality of the actual desired object.

    This form of happiness is ever fed, never satisfied. Soon, after the excitation dissipates, then the person moves to a newly created desire. Many people move through life, ever flitting from one desire to another, moving to the next new object after the old no longer stimulates. In this we can observe that the more needs a person has, the harder it is to find happiness. From this we can understand that it is important to distinguish between “necessary necessities“, and “unnecessary necessities“.

    Physical necessary necessities are fairly easy to understand. The body requires food, shelter, warmth, oxygen, water, health etc. When any of these is denied it is a universal human experience to feel pain and suffering as a result. There are also psychological necessary necessities, though these are not as readily observed. These are positive attitudes and states of mind and charter, which if possessed universally engender happiness, or negative states of mind, attitudes and character which if possessed, universally engender suffering and misery. It is in this area that an educated population has a far greater chance of developing and maintaining a happy prosperous, and free society.

    One example of a “necessary necessity” for happiness is an attitude of service in one work and life. For about 15 years I hired from two or three, to one hundred or more people a day. Often I was supervising them and evaluating these same people for future employment. I can say with conviction that 100% of the people that exhibited signs of happiness and good attitude in there work every day, worked with an attitude of helping and doing for others. I can likewise say that most every person who was energetic and unhappy in their work, did not think of the service they were doing for others, but instead were consistently thinking of what would they get out of this, of who screwed them, and of personal problems away from work. I convinced a number of people to observe certain employees and see how they were happy always at work. I showed them how they delighted in thinking of others. Some who adopted this attitude tole me it changed their life, not just at work, but in all their activities. Thinking of, and doing for others is universally experienced in human conciseness as happiness inducing. Think of the joy a parent feels in providing for the needs of his children, Narrow self-centered thoughts of me against the world are misery producing. This one area alone, developed, taught and lived, in conjunction with the understanding of the universal human need for freedom and power, has huge repercussions in a society. Socialism seeks to provide the doing for others, but one of its fatal flaws (it has others) is it destroys freedom and individual power in the process, and as such it also destroys the joy and virtue in individually choosing to do for others in need by dictating what is to be done. Plato said, “Such is the nature of the Tyrant, when first he appears he is a protector” We have tremendous ability now to communicate on all scales the needs of fellow humans suffering. In a free society such needs could and probably would be met by voluntary actions. This being clearly true in a society educated to understand the necessary psychological conditions for happiness. Why not set up a system where the cost of certain government programs are slowly phased out via tax breaks to charity organizations working in the same area?

    Well this could go on far longer on other qualities, with spiritual “necessary necessities” thrown in, but I hope I have adequately communicated so far. Much of the above was far more clearly expressed in a book I read once, (The Science Of Religion, by Paramahansa Yogananda) about thirty years ago, yet the lesson contained within have been a benefit all my life.

  31. E.M.Smith says:


    may be the most pertinent bit. It looks like the family is prone to depression and fear episodes. Kind of sums up the AGW / “running out of stuff” mindset.

    I wonder to what extent that generalizes. To what extent has the “Green Movement” become a self fulfilling fear-prophecy for those self-selected folks who are prone to that “style” of thinking? Bright, articulate, but driven and fundamentally looking for a fear, worry, or anxiety “cause” to justify how they feel?


    “Limits” was assigned reading. Yes, I had a class in it. Lucky for me, it was taught bey a very bright and very crafty fellow. Gustafson (hope I spelled it right). The Economics of Ecology. For the first half of the class, we read the book. And commented on each twist and turn of predicted disaster. THEN we were handed a reading list of critiques. Several Pages of bibliography. We were required to pick some subset of them and THEN discuss each each week. Final exam was on the whole package, including the critiques (that were withering and brutal in their ripping it apart as trash).

    We all felt so “had” by the book as we saw how bogus the ‘reasoning’ was and how wrong the ‘analysis’ had been.

    Per the new ‘aristocracy’ and folks who want to assert power: I’ve spent most of my life struggling to get those who would assert power to understand that I do not invite it just because I am polite and quiet; while also struggling to get those who are “under me” to understand that I have no desire to force dominance upon them, that I want them to grow and advance and will help them to do all they can. Most folks seem fundamentally wired for “social dominance” and simply MUST sort into Alpha Dog and Servant. Both sides seem offended by someone who says “I choose not to play that game. I will work for you, but not under you. You can work for me, but not under me. We can be equals even as we are different.” So I can’t explain it…


    I suspect my “all die” rhetoric may have been too strong a literary device… ;-)

    Then again, your response is rather good…

    FWIW, I’ve been pondering a “No Shortage To Growth” or similar for many years. (The “no shortage of stuff” and “no shortage of energy” postings are an outline of it). Perhaps it’s time I actually ‘fleshed it out’…

    I’ve also wondered if just putting a web camera in every government office (executives and congress critters too…) that could not be turned off, along with mandatory publication of ALL emails, tweets, whatever would not cause a certain “propriety” to take over…

    I know, not rational…

    But somehow we simply must get the money out of politics and get the politicians back doing for the people, not for the lobbyists and special interests.

    Per education:

    I think the best thing to do would be pretty simple. Eliminate ALL Federal involvement. At the State level, limit it to handing vouchers to the parents.

    I think parents are the ones best positioned to decide what education will best suite their children…

    There would be 10000 kinds of schools, and those that work best will rapidly rise to the top… Attempts at politically driven mass manipulation will fail as folks will ‘vote with their vouchers’ and to elsewhere…

    On Happiness:

    Well…. I’m pulled to an ’empty vessel’ moment…

    Buddhist teaching is that “wants” create unhappiness. The path to true happiness is through the removal of wants. Yet accomplishment comes through wants… My son ‘wanted’ to be a good guitar player. Now I’ve had the pleasure of watching him on stage with a large audience (via a webcast, no less). To have ‘removed the want’ would have reduced the attainment.

    So, my point… Some of us will be the Buddhist. Some the guitar player. None of us can decide for the other…

    Yin meet Yang…

    FWIW, I was going to contest your assertion that happiness comes from giving to others (on similar yin / yang grounds)… but there’s a metric that something like 90% or so of people queried said what made them happy was helping others… and here I am running a blog in the hope that it helps folks in some small way, and only reluctantly even having a ‘tip jar’ notice on the right margin… Having pushed through the rats next of GIStemp code and done thousands of hours of (what would be highly paid) work for nothing other than “it needed doing”… So as I’m an existence proof of your point, I’ve decided it’s better not to argue it ;-)

    I’d only point out that Socialism SAYS it seeks to provide the ‘doing for others’, what it actually does is provide a ‘doing for the Big Bosses and Commissars’ and ‘getting the bare necessities’ while dis-empowering everyone but the very top levels. People are happy when THEY choose to give something away, not when someone else takes it at gun point and gives it away… Capitalist America gave more to charity per capita than anyone else on the planet. As the socialist agenda rises, the giving level drops… and the happiness with it.

    One of the odd paradoxes of economics is that a strongly capitalist system causes the highest level of non-capitalist :”giving”. Both Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are donating massive fortunes to a ‘charitable trust’ (one hopes it actually does charity and not just being a front for progressive activism…) but still, the amount of money wealthy capitalists just ‘give away’ is astounding. No ‘collectivist economic system’ of any flavor even comes close…

    So my point would be even more simple:

    Why not leave all such decisions to The People and let them build whatever system and processes they like? Why have ANY government involvement? What can washing the money through political influence and bureaucratic inefficiency possibly do to improve the variety and quality of the product?

    Catholic schools are better than public schools.
    Montessori schools are better than public schools.
    Private Academies are better than public schools.
    The DMV is a study in crappy service an inefficiency.
    Welfare does a lousy job of helping people improve their lives.
    it’s a very long list… (And don’t forget the profound study in inefficiency, suffering,. and waste that is the Legal System… just look at what “court costs” are for even minor resolutions…)

    Frankly, “provide for the common defense” is about the only thing where I see them as MAYBE being better. But even there the waste in procurement and the tendency to ‘military adventures’ tends to argue against even that point. Perhaps going back to a system where each State funds it’s own military (State ‘Guards’) and they only get ‘called up’ for a direct threat to the nation could improve things, what with 50 different ‘bids’ for each ‘weapons system’….

    We have about a $5 TRILLION Federal expenditure per year. I have a very hard time seeing where we get even 1/10th that “value” out of the Federal Government… ( it is about $14,000 per person per year. That’s about the same as a $14 meal, each and every meal, all year long, for everyone. I’m just not seeing that much value… Remember, this is JUST the Feds. Education is done locally. MOST roads are done locally (interstate highways are federal). County hospitals are done by the counties. Colleges are done by the States. Police are locally funded. The Post Office is supposed to be self funded. Many (most?) parks are state, county, or local other than a few national parks / monuments and even they charge fees. etc. etc. )

    Near as I can see, privatizing the whole thing would give us much more for less.

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  33. w.w.wygart says:

    I must say Chiefio, you attract a very insightful and polite crowd.

    Well done,


  34. E.M.Smith says:


    Thanks! One of my behaviours, which drives away about as many folks at it attracts (or maybe more…) is that I insist on a certain degree of decorum. No attacks “to the person” (though accurate description is OK). No endless haranguing. No prolonged “does so – does not -does so – your mama”.

    At times it causes some folks, often times folks who have participated well for months, to get cranky at me when I ‘put them in moderation’ for a while. Some never to be heard from again as they get P.O’s and leave.

    I’ve just seen too many places where things are allowed to become a ‘food fight’ for higher hit count ratings. Or peoples’ natural tendency to get ‘vigorous’ in defense of a thesis is allowed to push them into strong words or ‘thread hijack’ beating a topic to death across all threads. Pretty soon the ‘interesting folks’ leave as food fights are not very thought provoking… . I’ve left several places due to that. It also encourages Trolls to take over the culture.

    One very nice place run by a very polite lady even had her go “walkabout” for a few months trying to decide if it was worth putting up with the crap you get with wide open ‘anyone can insult’ non-censorship… I was unwilling to be ‘run out of my own home’ by such commenters and wondered if there was not some “other way” to have both open discussion AND not have “loudest most vocal shouter wins” atmospherics. Basically, I saw no reason to let RUDE people set the cultural norm and drive off NICE people (who get tired of them fast and just leave – me being one such nice person…)

    So my whole goal here is NOT “hits” or shouting matches. It is THOUGHT. Have I learned something new? Have I had to change a position due to a well presented point? Or, my favorite, did I see something interesting then others saw and linked to even MORE interesting aspects of the same thing? Accelerating my understanding and ‘fleshing it out’ far more efficiently. Then there are the occasional bits of humor and banter that make it more fun than just reading a book about a given thing…

    In part this came about as an accident. As there is “only me” I originally left comments wide open. Pretty soon the Trolls and Snark started in. There wasn’t enough of me to moderate every comment every time (I tried and the time delay just killed the ‘discussion’ aspect), so I adopted the pattern of “moderation by person” and slow escalation of warnings on “heated discussions”. So folks get an ‘open mic’ after an initial moderated comment. If they can handle it, they keep it.

    If things start to decay, I start hinting, then suggesting, then outright describing what is needed. If things stay ‘off’, they go to moderation. Dramatic cases end up as ‘carping comments’ – where I put the comment up, but annotated as to why it is a ‘carping comment’ and an example of what not to do. I think that lets me both have relatively open comment policy while having some decorum and manners, with most comments going up rapidly and only a few taking a ‘daily moderation cycle’ to be serviced.

    Some folks have tried to make this a “me” issue and claim I’m somehow being “bad” for not letting them say whatever they want whenever they want. Initially I just ‘bit bucketed’ that level of insult. Then I hit on the “carping comments” idea that let me avoid the ‘cultural decay and style drift’ while at the same time demonstrating that it’s not about “censorship” as the content got “up”, just annotated and with some specific words ‘snipped’. That seems to have dampened the claims of ‘censorship’… It’s very hard some times to get folks to believe that you don’t mind if they do not agree, or wish to claim I’m wrong; but just care that it be done relatively politely and without rancor … and without an endless series of “does so – does not -does so – does not”, so once both sides have seen each others points, it’s kind of over. (At least until some kind of new evidence or reasoning comes along).

    I’ve tried to explain that by asking folks to “present evidence, not just bicker” or similar things; but it remains a ‘polish point’ for me on how to get that particular style point across. So saying “I do not agree, see Ref#1 that shows the need to use ZXX” is just dandy. Presents THEIR views and evidence. While saying “You clearly missed ZXXX and have no clue what you are talking about” is personalized “to the person” , has an insulting tone, and lacks any connection to a verifiable source of fact or process. It gets a warning some times, for a while. Then on prolonged repetition the escalation begins. Some folks learn to be more “polite society” pretty quick. Others take longer. Some “miss the rough and tumble” and find other places for food fights.

    I don’t know that it’s the best way to do things, but it’s the best I’ve come up with so far… and at least I don’t feel like ‘going walkabout’ to get away from the place nor feel like just packing it in and leaving as the insult and shouting match folks run rampant over nice folks…

    At any rate, thanks for the positive reinforcement. Sometimes a little external validation can be soothing ;-)

  35. david says:

    E.M. Snith says,
    I suspect my “all die” rhetoric may have been too strong a literary device… ;-)
    Then again, your response is rather good…
    Thank you for your response, and also for your page in general.

    Concerning education, I would love to eliminate the Federal part entirely, although as you acknowledged, this is probably not practical. I tried to present thing potentially do-able actions that would both improve education, and save costs. My thought was to that in basic subjects, history, political science, current events, science (only in matters concerning public policy) the Federal level would be involved (you know they would insist on some involvement) to make certain valid opposing views are taught, and those views would be formatted and course developed by public think tanks from that perspective. Within the context of saving costs, beyond dramatic Federal Dept of Ed. Cuts, the forced deep trims in school administration costs is easily achievable. Don’t you just love how, when any threatened cuts in Ed. occur, there are instant threats by school administrators, to cut teachers and increase classroom size!!

    Concerning “Happiness” you wrote;
    “”On Happiness:
    Well…. I’m pulled to an ‘empty vessel’ moment…
    Buddhist teaching is that “wants” create unhappiness. The path to true happiness is through the removal of wants. Yet accomplishment comes through wants… My son ‘wanted’ to be a good guitar player. Now I’ve had the pleasure of watching him on stage with a large audience (via a webcast, no less). To have ‘removed the want’ would have reduced the attainment.
    So, my point… Some of us will be the Buddhist. Some the guitar player. None of us can decide for the other…”
    Yes, and my personal view is that Buddhist teaching, which of course arose from Hinduism, goes a bridge to far in the empty vessel nothingness approach. In India they say “Hinduism is all things to all people”. This could also well be said about Christianity as well, but Hinduism, being far older, has at more time for more versions.

    I think a more balanced view in the removal of wants is to know if you have the wants, or if the wants have you? We fairly well outlined that a portion of the pleasure received via the fulfillment of “unnecessary necessities” was negative, i.e. there was a state of peace felt by the subtraction of the feeling of lack or “want” in having the desired object, and a filling of thrill in finally achieving the goal.

    But I also said, “The reasons for various lengths of pleasure derived from unnecessary pleasures and desires is cause for a more in depth philosophic discussion not relevant to the main point of view presented. What is fundamental to acknowledge is that it is apparent that the desire for objects creates a sense of “want” and the removing of that “need” created a sense of pleasure, an excitation conciseness, perceived of as pleasure, which is primarily derived from fulfillment of the “need” state, and not from any intrinsic quality of the actual desired object.”

    The observed truth that requires a “more in depth discussion” concerns the fact that humans are a complex chaotic jumble of mixed degrees of desires, on the physical, psychological , and spiritual level. And this mix in any level, on any single desire, can be based on several factors, both necessary for happiness, and not necessary. Take “power” for instance, if you remember our “Fundamental Forces” thread discussion I talked about “power”,

    Power is both a psychological and a spiritual necessity to humans. To feel powerless is universally not agreed upon as good. To “feel” at all, is of course necessary to “feel“ happy, so “Chita” feeling is a necessary quality. India teaches that music stirs the “chita” feeling capacity of the soul. To accomplish anything, for instance your son’s guitar adeptness, is to feel good about having the “power” to “learn” an instrument. Learning, or knowledge, is a psychological condition necessary for humans to feel happy. So in acquiring the ability to play guitar your son demonstrated three things necessary for “happiness“, feeling, power, and knowledge.

    Now go back to my post in fundamental forces and remember the three “gunas” one of which is prominent in any act. Which of the three “gunas” are predominant in an act determines the ability of said act to produce a lasting happiness, or a very short happiness. As an example, a man, depressed by whatever, feels an old desire rekindled to do cocaine. He learns where to get cocaine of pure quality at a reasonable price, he purchases some, and then again later some more, soon he is addicted even more strongly then when he used to abuse cocaine. He no longer possesses cocaine, it possesses him. However in first learning about and obtaining the cocaine, he also felt power, the ability to obtain the object desired, and he felt happiness in getting it, and experiencing its “happy” affects within his brain’s chemistry. However, the desire, being tamasic, or darkening, enslaved him, and soon his misery commenced.

    There are however no hang-over’s from enlightening acts of virtue, such as doing for others with an attitude of service, which universally engender happiness. BTW, this relates directly to my discussion of infinity in the “fundamental forces thread.. If you find this line of thought interesting, and wish to read a far more articulate presentaion of it, then sometime pick up a copy of “The science of Religion“ By Paramahansa Yogananda. (It is a fairly short book)

    P.S. Adolfo, I just saw your comment in the Fundamental forces thread. Thank you, and yes, “as above so below” has many interesting manifestations in the physical, mental and spiritual.

  36. david says:

    Oh, Chiefo, I also wished to comment on this which I thought excellent..”I’d only point out that Socialism SAYS it seeks to provide the ‘doing for others’, what it actually does is provide a ‘doing for the Big Bosses and Commissars’ and ‘getting the bare necessities’ while dis-empowering everyone but the very top levels. People are happy when THEY choose to give something away, not when someone else takes it at gun point and gives it away… Capitalist America gave more to charity per capita than anyone else on the planet. As the socialist agenda rises, the giving level drops… and the happiness with it.”

    I thought I touched on that here…”Socialism seeks to provide the doing for others, but one of its fatal flaws (it has others) is it destroys freedom and individual power in the process, and as such it also destroys the joy and virtue in individually choosing to do for others in need, by dictating what is to be done. Plato said, “Such is the nature of the Tyrant, when first he appears he is a protector”

    Buth that was in the bottom third of my long, never proof read, post; stuck in an overlong paragraph which should have been three, so perhaps you did not read it. But yes, and one thing I tell my liberal friends about why I am in general “conservative” is that I believe in charity, which always gets a puzzled look. I usually then explain that taking the ability to give from me, via taxes, and under the threat of imprisonment if I do not pay said govt chairity, robs me of the joy of giving. I usually add that I believe in responsability also, and that progressive govt takes away both charity and responability.

  37. E.M.Smith says:


    More in a bit, I’ve read but don’t have time to respond, other than:

    I’d read your ‘bit’ on ‘giving’, my bit was ‘echo and agree’… i.e. I didn’t “miss” your statement, it was the trigger…

  38. Pascvaks says:

    “…the Executive Committee (in theory, the “big brains”…they also have full members, honorary members and associate members)”

    This group is the ‘visable’ Executive Committee, aka “The Public Front”. The boys with the Keys to the Penthouse and Harem Washroom are not to be found anywhere. They are the ones who provide these people their Talking Points. Probably no more than 12. (Maybe just 7, as in “The Magnificent Seven”;-).

    Ref. UNDues – I’m voting for the folks who want our money back, with interest.

  39. Pascvaks says:

    PS: Think we would get any bidders if we offered to auction off our Seat (and Veto) on the UN Security Council? Hummmmmm.. I wonder..

  40. Jason Calley says:

    @ E.M. “I’d only point out that Socialism SAYS it seeks to provide the ‘doing for others’, what it actually does is provide a ‘doing for the Big Bosses and Commissars’ and ‘getting the bare necessities’ while dis-empowering everyone but the very top levels. ”

    Just a bit more on that subject — I am reminded of an old Soviet joke from the 70s.

    Upon becoming the head of the USSR, Leonid Brezhnev desired to impress his mother with his success. He sent a special helicopter to pick her up and ferry her to his vacation resort on the Black Sea. “Look, Mama! Look at my fine vacation home! Look at the servants and the groundskeepers all working to make this a place of beauty! See what a magnificent place I have!”

    Mama says nothing, but only nods her head…

    They get in the helicopter and fly to a political rally in Stalingrad. A limo picks them up and takes them to the meeting where tens of thousands of people cheer and clap. “Look, Mama! See how many people support me! See how we are given a parade in our honor! Look at how the entire city welcomes us!”

    Mama says nothing, but only nods her head…

    Finally, they board the helicopter and fly to Moscow. Brezhnev shows his mother his office, his huge desk, the fine curtains, the hundreds of attendants waiting to fulfill his smallest request. “Look, Mama! See how I work! See what a palace I reside in! See how only the finest foods, the best vodka, the most expensive clothes are made available to me! Mama, surely you must be proud that your son has made such a success of himself!”

    Mama says nothing, but finally takes his hand gently and looks him in the eyes. Clearing her throat she says, “Leonid… Of course I am very proud to see how far you have come, but, my Son, just think of the danger you are in!”

    Brezhnev looks at her, “Danger? What danger?!”

    “Oh, my son, this is all very nice, but what on Earth will you do if the Communists regain power?”

  41. E.M.Smith says:


    It HAS become clear to me why we need to repudiate the UN, and why that will not be allowed to happen…

    @Jason Calley:

    Got a real laugh out of that one… One of the things that ‘softened’ me most toward Russia even back in the Cold War days was some of their humor. Showed me they were just like us… Took a Russian class then, but never got very good at it. 10 weeks was all, and could sort of read simple sentences. “It’s not my hand, it is your hand” level… probably with the endings a big munged…

    But they have a certain wry ‘clarity of thought’ to the language and culture… Always wondered why they “fell for” Communism. Then figured out it was more a “dumped Czars and got captured by Communists in the process”. Not so much an “agreed with the precepts”.

    On my “bucket list” is “get tolerable at some highly inflected language”. So far I’ve not been able to do that. Crappy sort of “Pigeon level” is about all I can manage. Don’t know why… maybe the brain is just too conditioned by English and Romance Languages. I’ve looked at: Russian, Greek, Latin, Sanskrit, Polish, Old Irish, German.

    Polish is just a bit odd on too many bits. Sanskrit is beautifully structured, but so complicated as to be a lifetime effort and with sounds shifted by Dravidian. Old Irish is interesting, but nobody to speak with and little written literature. Even modern Irish is dying out. Also, as recently shown, is a mix of a Hamitic / Semitic substratum in with the inflected IE base, so not a ‘pure play’. Greek turns out to have a half dozen ‘types’ over the several thousand year history, so Ancient Greek is not the same as Modern Greek (or the intermediate forms either). Just too many varieties for “one language”… and I struggle with the characters.

    So that left me with Russian, German, and Latin on the “maybe list”. Took an intro class for both Russian and German. Again I can struggle with the Russian characters and translate them, but it’s more work than I like. I’m sure with a few weeks immersion I’d ‘make the swap’, but… German is easy for the beginning bits (then gets more difficult for some of the inflections). Yet it, too, is only ‘half a loaf’. Half way from old Indo-European to English. Latin is ‘not too hard’ for the basics either as the Romance language base gives a touchstone for most words. But if you miss even ONE vowel the whole meaning of the sentence can change. It’s getting harder to see every single character perfectly these days… Plus you can have some really bizarre sentence structures. Still, a great deal of old interesting literature written in it…

    So “I donno”… I’m tempted to just remove ‘inflected language’ from the Bucket List… Then I’ll see something about Russia, or find I can read a snippet of Cyrillic as a video of a Russian Rocket going up lets me see “Proton” in my mind instead of the “gibberish” it was before the Russian Class… or one of those wry Russian Insights goes by and I’m tempted once again to “get inside that mind form”…

    Ah well.

    For now it will have to remain a fascination with Russia and all things Slavic, and not a ‘scratched itch’.

  42. Pascvaks says:

    (SarcOn) We might use the French example and, instead of demonstrations, riots, and picnics on the Mall in DC, have a little 100 Million ‘Happening’ in NYC on Bastille Day (July 14). It would certainly up the ratings for a day or two for the MSM. Of course, doing it on Saint Paddy’s Day would add more color. Oh Dang It, the NSA will be tracking me down again and putting another ‘Post-It’ in my file! Ya jus can’t win! (SarcOff)

    Orwell was a fortune teller. We’re sunk if we do, damned if we don’t, and watched every minute. Ya can’t win!

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