One Day To The End Of Maya Time!

OK, there are a couple of “issues” we ought to have worked out prior to The End Of Days…

Like, oh, what Time Zone is it, where the end comes?

Does it come ‘all at once’ or progressively, one time zone at a time?

Is “the end” at the first minute of 21 Dec 2012, or the last? Or something in between?

Bottom line, it’s a bit of a mess.

So, as it’s now 2 am on the 20th in California, and we come late to things, it ought to be nearly time for those on the leading edge to come to an abrupt and uncomfortable end. Unless they don’t. Or it happens at the end of the day instead of the start.

So, here’s the deal, all you folks on various Pacific Islands, or the tip of Russia or where ever else gets it first, if you could kindly post up a comment at the moment of your inglorious end and let the rest of us know what to expect, we’d appreciate it ever so much. So, say, it’s a big ball of fire and you found yourself short of draught beer; well, we’d know to run right out and pick up a case. Or, say, it’s a flash flood. Can’t hold onto a case of beer and swim, too, so ought to make it a pint of good Whiskey instead. It would also be nice if you could be sure to note if it was the start, or end, or middle of the day when you discover you’re going POOF! Just so we can plan better over here…

I mean, if it isn’t till the end of the day, no sense getting all sloppy toasted and passing out at noon and missing it all, right? Better to run the bar-b-que then, with some nice tropical drinks on the side, and nurse it for a while. THEN pocket the bottle of Scotch and put on the water wings. I mean, why sit around all day looking silly in water wings if it’s not coming until midnight, eh?

So do us a favor, please, and give us a heads up when the expiration on your side, um, ‘catches up’ to you.

Thanks! And we’ll do the same for you if it turns out that we get swacked first due to some unforeseen Maya backwards rotating nonconformal day misunderstanding.


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76 Responses to One Day To The End Of Maya Time!

  1. pboucher says:

    Great points! I think there is a huge conspiracy with the alien ware-wolves and the congress. There is no “fiscal cliff” since there won’t be any world after Friday! Congress know this. They’ve made an agreement with the the alien ware-wolves (our Supreme Over-Lords / Mobster Lenders) to “collect” on us this Friday since this gives the ware-wolves the most darkness of the year for ware-wolving! Maybe not everyone will die- just enough to pay for the budget debt. :)

  2. It’s now 12:20pm here in France (20th Dec), so we’re 10 hours closer to midnight here. I’d suspect though that if the world ends the net will likely go down before the fireballs or whatever arrive. It’s thus unlikely that we’d be able to send any last messages around the world if it happens. I very much doubt if the world will end in my lifetime, though – it’s been predicted many times and still hasn’t actually happened. It may get a bit cooler over the next decade, though – those long cyclical variations in climate.

  3. pboucher says:

    …quite logical to have this blog setup to display times Greenwich Mean Time since the world may end… in different time zones. This will make for a more orderly end ;)

  4. H.R. says:

    If you are not reading this… then you know the world has ended. Since you know for certain, please write and let us know. If we don’t see your post, then we’ll know the end of the world actually happened, right???

    (To be on the safe side, thanks in advance.)

  5. DirkH says:

    It’s 13:27 , 20th Dec, here in Germany. No unusual activity outside. I’m having a coffee and some

    Stock markets are calm. TOO calm? …

  6. DirkH says:

    13:53 Berlin time. A lazy day.
    I wanted to bring up something else… Yesterday some alarmist complained that he felt insulted by the label “Chicken Little” so I thought, but it’s an appropriate description so let’s find some links that show that it is. So I googled for “worst crisis the world has ever” – because I remember many articles in climate progress, grist and comments where alarmists continued to bemoan the CO2AGW “crisis” as just that.

    Lo and behold, all 20 hits on the first page of google results talked about the Euro crisis, the 2008 BFC, the subprime crisis… Warmism is falling into obscurity and probably ranks at the level of background noise for the youngsters who missed Al Gore in 2007. Mind you I didn’t search the news, where an attention span of 3 days is normal, but the general web. Climate alarmists have lost the alarmist mindshare they commanded. Generic alarmists are all into finance now. Not even the Mayan calendar occured.

  7. adolfogiurfa says:

    The “End of the world”….as YOU understand the “world”=USA & Europe, it´s about to end; but it will be overcome by accepting that the only way out is “hyper inflation”. (It sucks but it does not kill). Ya know: There is always darkness before dawn .
    Everything is OK!….and, btw, there is nothing bad in working being 71 years old and not having a paid retirement; believe me!, it drives creativity and ingenuity and avoids Alzheimer´s disease for sure.
    Everyone of you, old folks like me, will see their retirement pensions evaporate as your currency reaches its real value of one tenth of a cent.
    Buy more popcorn and enjoy it!….don´t worry, call it as you wish, nature, the cosmos, the force or God….it will provide.

  8. BobN says:

    Its 5:31 AM here in Oregon, no sign of trouble yet. Will be up for the duration. Got plenty of Coffee ready, got my 243 ready, fully loaded. If its alien things, I will take a few with me. Bottle of Jack Danials ready if it starts getting bad, figure I can switch from coffee and get numb. A little extra wind this morning, something to watch for! Over and out.

  9. Steve C says:

    I thought the Great Moment was supposed to occur more-or-less at the moment of the solstice, which is 11:10 – 11:20 GMT depending on which site you found it on. So, a bit early in the morning California time, particularly if you had a good anticipatory celebration the night before.

    You have to give top marks to the organisers for the way they’ve bought off all the amateur astronomers as well as the professionals, to stop them announcing the oncoming invisible Planet X, fleets of alien spacecraft, etc. Masterful. If they get the actual apocalypse right as well, may I be the first to propose a vote of thanks, to them or to our new alien overlords as appropriate. Meanwhile, I’ll wish everyone a Merry Apocalypse, and remember: a healthy libation will really ease your Transition to the Next Level. Skol!

  10. adolfogiurfa says:

    The “change” it is about the earth´s geomagnetic fields, already occurring since the 50´s. I remember that the US air force launched several Nike-Hercules missiles, back then, from Chilca (pronouced “sheelkah”), 45 miles south of Lima City, to study the “equatorial electron jet”, along the magnetic equator. Since then, the so called “south atlantic anomaly” has drifted from the atlantic basin to cover the whole center of the SA continent. As a result of this, here we are currently having only the north magnetic vector:
    “Just of the coast (central Peru ) both Z(vertical) and Y (east) components are zero. Only X (North) is left, which is more or less total field, relatively strong at 40% at mag. pole.”
    (not allowed to mention source)

    Click to access pgrf_2010.pdf

  11. pauline says:

    UK, raining and continuing to rain heavily and will do so over the next few days, therefore THE END started here and we are all going to drown….doomed, we are all doomed…

  12. thinkingheretic says:

    Sky News here in the UK is pushing 11:11:00 GMT on the 21st., although I think they may be over-influenced by Armistice Day (11 November)

  13. Gary P Smith says:

    The Mayans forgot to account for leap years. End of Days happened several weeks ago. Just sayin…….

  14. LG says:

    The winter solstice is occurring at 11: 11 AM GMT 2012 12 21.
    That supposedly coincides with the end of the Mayan long count calendar.

  15. Espen says:

    I’ll be at work then, but with a splendid view from the 13th floor I will bring my DSLR and expect some nice shots of whatever happens.

  16. My understanding is that when the last day comes in the Maya calendar you start another cycle that runs out of days 144,001 days from now.

    I wish I could stick around until 2407 to see what the moonbats say about that “End of Days”. My guess is that fossil fuels will still be a major energy source.

  17. Gary says:

    Maybe it will be like Stephen King imagined in The Langoliers?
    Just be sure to be asleep!

  18. crosspatch says:

    The calendar is wrong. Their civilization ended a few hundred years ago. Also, when you reach the end of the calendar, you can just start over from the beginning.

  19. John F. Hultquist says:

    Thinking that there won’t be a lot of time for an exhaustive report I began to make a long list of the possibilities and intend to put a check mark by the one that seems to be happening. Then I can just do the check and hit submit. I’ll copy the list here below so as to be ready when

    Pzztheeee . . .

  20. E.M.Smith says:

    @John F. Hultquist:

    HELLO Hello hello
    IS Is is
    ANYBODY Anybody anybody
    THERE There there ? ? ….

  21. Ralph B says:

    Well I would say since the Mayans wrote the calendar, zero hour would be noon CMT (Central Mayan Time)

  22. p.g.sharrow says:

    The end of the world isn’t until at 11: 11 AM GMT 2012 12 21. Emm …3:11am PST, hell that means I have to go back to work! this afternoon. I was going to take a long nap. ;-) pg

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  24. No end of the world thread is complete without the ultimate end of the world song by R.E.M – It’s the End of the World as We Know It (and I feel fine). Cheers –

  25. Graeme No.3 says:

    Well, it has been something of an anti-climax here in Australia. Everything is quite normal, sun came up, morning paper on time, internet still going.
    Paper more interested in our Treasurer admitting yesterday that he been ??? (what is the word that politicians use instead of lying?) for the last 3 years. Appears that the public don’t appreciate his efforts enough to keep sending ever increasing sums for him to spend. so he will just borrow more (as he has for the last 5 years).

    The only 2 bits in paper about the “end of the world” are some place in France where a sacred mountain will split open and release a fleet of spaceships which will save everyone close by. Also Tikal in maya homeland where apparently a sacred mountain will …etc. Hordes of new agers are infesting both places.

    One question, how did the Mayans get a reputation for accuracy when they had a 360 day cycle for an earth year?

  26. DirkH says:

    Graeme No.3 says:
    20 December 2012 at 10:50 pm
    “One question, how did the Mayans get a reputation for accuracy when they had a 360 day cycle for an earth year?”

    Maybe they re-synched it each year. Some of their temples are aligned such that during equinox certain shadows form certain patterns.
    Video of the “magic snake” that appears only 2 times a year – during equinoxes:

  27. Power Grab says:

    I thought it happened around 12;30 today, while I was out running errands at lunchtime. Both of my computers were off when I returned. I called the tech support dude to ask if he had his helpers run something on my computers and then shut them down, but he offered that the electrical utility had had an unexpected hiccup. They didn’t expect any more hiccups. I said that must have been our 12-21-2012 blip then. ;-) Heh

  28. Power Grab says:

    How about little light music to end the world by:

  29. H.R. says:

    @pauline says:
    20 December 2012 at 2:57 pm

    “UK, raining and continuing to rain heavily and will do so over the next few days, therefore THE END started here and we are all going to drown….doomed, we are all doomed…”

    Too funneeeeeee! Made my day. Love that dry humo(u)r.

  30. agimarc says:

    What doomsday would be complete without the ultimate song? R.E.M’s “It’s the End of the World as we Know It (and I feel fine)?”

  31. Last Call says:

    The end depends on where the beginning was. Why did they choose August 3114 BC?

    The Maya calendar includes (1) The long count, which measures time elapsed since the creation of the world, and (2) The calendar round, which combines dates in a 260 day cycle, called the tzolk’in, and a 365 day year, the haab.

    The beginning of the long count was within a day or two of 13 August, 3114 BC.

    there are three versions of the accepted GMT correlation, placing creation on either August 11, 12, or 13.

    A few monuments memorialize events of the mythic age. In these texts, creation is written rather than, suggesting that the present age followed an earlier world that endured 13 baktuns. A monument at Coba records even earlier epochs, counting back for some 13 x 2021 years (see more about this number at the Tzuk-Te website). If the present age also lasts 13 baktun, the current cycle of the long count will be completed when the count again reaches, in 2012.

    PS. And I thought arithmetic with Roman Numerals was hard!

  32. Ryan says:

    Here we go again with this the mayan calender never said anything about the end of the world and even the modern-day mayan descendants have said the world will not end on the 21st of December.

    [Reply: No sense of humor, eh? Note the ‘tag’… -E.M.Smith]

  33. John Robertson says:

    Well for some it will be literally true, those who die from life today, their world will end as far as we know.
    The old joke, Whats a sexually transmitted terminal disease? Answer LIFE.
    could be diss-ease. At least no one has admitted to getting out alive so far.

  34. E.M.Smith says:


    I see your End Of The World and raise you a Losing My Religion:

  35. Sera says:

    It’s 12:05 on the east coast, and my cigar still tastes like a cigar.

  36. Sera says:

    Graeme No.3 says:
    20 December 2012 at 10:50 pm
    “One question, how did the Mayans get a reputation for accuracy when they had a 360 day cycle for an earth year?”

    Every 72 years they would add an additional year?

  37. Graeme No.3 says:

    Sera says:
    The real reason is that they were with an earlier version of the IPCC. When the data failed to conform with their theory, they “adjusted” the data.

    With that, a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all.

  38. E.M.Smith says:


    Well, one need not have a year that is matched to a calendar cycle. There’s lots of things in the sky that move on other cycles. Lunar calendars never match the solar year, for example, yet many cultures used them. IIRC, the Maya had a thing for Venus…

    But, IYRC, Wayne Jackson had a very nice leap year calculation that added to my version of the calendar rather nicely. I used a 360 day year as well. But added a “holiday” on each of the solstices and equinox days, with an added day on the Winter Solstice and then the occasional leap day. (Notice that even with a 365 day ‘year’ you have an error term to handle. You will NEVER have an integer year without error terms…) So having a 360 day year lets you divide things into all sorts of useful forms. Just carry the error term to any convenient point for handling…


    Imagine that…. a cigar that doesn’t taste like sh*t… ;-)

    @John Robertson:

    Due to the exponential growth of people on the planet, not too long ago it was true that “Of all the people ever born, most were still alive.” I think it is still true. So “Statistically, odds are, you never die”…

    FWIW, here in California, I’m listening to a 2007 ‘wave’ file from a station in Argentina that is playing a variety of Rock & Roll … while enjoying a rather good, and surprisingly cheep, jug wine described here:

    Life can be rather strange some times…

    So some guy from Italy came to California and grew grapes to make wine. And some other guy (with who knows what family background) ends up in Argentina, doing radio stuff and happens to like English / US rock.. and some OTHER guy, with a Mum from England and a Dad of mixed Amish (German) and Irish ancestry is in California enjoying their work product…. while pondering a Mayan “End of the World” (as we know it) time…

    Now If we all could just dump the “overlords” in the EU and USA and Sud America all would be great ;-)

    Time for a ‘refill’ as I await the EOTWAWKI ;-)

    “Won’t Back Down” playing now….

    Here’s a YouTube:

    Oh, shifting to “Lighter Shade of Pale”… (There’s something about having the intro be in Spanish that puts me back in a hot summer in the Central Valley of California in the ’70s… probably that I was hanging out at places where the intro tended to be in Spanish ;-)

  39. Sera says:

    Graeme No.3 says:

    So the Mayan calender predicted the fall of the IPCC- that’s a spicy priest!

  40. Sera says:

    Forgot the sarc tag on that last one ; )

  41. Mddwave says:

    I am more fascinated with asteroid “2012 DA14” due on Feb 15, 2013. A 186 foot diameter ball coming within 40,000 miles of earth. Maybe the Mayan were off 56 days or so.

  42. Chuckles says:

    When in doubt,consult the experts –

    I’m also reminded of the old quote that, ‘When I die, I want it to be in Philadelphia (or insert town of choice), because there the transition would hardly be noticeable…

  43. Sera says:


    In the Tom Petty video above (Won’t Back Down), wasn’t that Jeff Lynne From ELO? I also noticed Ringo Starr and George Harrison- sorta like a mix of Heartbreakers and Wilburys.

  44. Steve C says:

    Well, the fateful day has dawnwd in the land of Greenwich Mean Time. A lowering sense of impending doom hangs heavy over the doomed population as they haplessly head for work for the last time. A few brave souls attempt to lift spirits with jocular comments … “Christmas cards? Nah, no point, it’s after the apocalypse” … but they receive only wan smiles in response.

    Outside my window, the little birdies are twittering distressfully, sensing what is to come. (Actually, it’s the crows out there this morning. When I said “distressfully”, the distress was mine.) The skies are grey, as befits the end of time, although the early mist and fog is forecast to clear slowly, giving drier and brighter conditions for the beginning of the next Great Cycle.

    I’ll let you know how it pans out at lunchtime.

  45. Steve C says:

    Oops, almost forgot. Don’t forget to check the Global Consciousness Project to see whether they get a spike. If so, it’ll give us the exact time. ;-)

  46. DirkH says:

    11:46 AM Berlin time. That should be 10:46 GMT , right. Here in Germany, the world starts to freeze over. Yes, that’s right, after a week of above 0 C, now frozen water is falling from the sky.

  47. E.M.Smith says:


    Yes. Kind of amazing, no?


    OMG, how could you do that to me when I’m 1.5 liters into the vino! ;-)

    (Yes, I’m doing an ‘all nighter’… just in case or … Hey, it’s an excuse… your choice ;-)

    @Steve C:

    So… Global Warming, then Global Climate Change, now it’s Global Consciousness?…. Sheesh…

    And what’s the difference between a lowering sense of impending doom and a LOW-er ing? Eh?

    And “twittering” birds? Really? Blackberry or iPhone?…

    And who trains ’em up for ye?


    186 foot? Hardly worth a mention then, eh what? I mean, I doubt it could take out a decent sized county in Texas. Sure, it could wipe out an entire country in Europe, what with it all being so squashed up together and all… but in Texas, well, they’d hardly call that a bit ‘o sand in the eye…

    Of course, if it hits Rhode Island, well, the whole State will be gone… then again, who would miss it?…

    ( I was once driving in Rhode Island and made a wrong turn, before I could get back to the right direction I was in another State… no joke, honest. It’s a dinky little place…)

    With that, it’s now 2:50 AM in California on the 21st of December 2012. Clearly “the end” is not coming at the start of the day local time. Nor, given that Australia is still showing up on CNBCWorld, for several (many?) hours after…

    Were I brave, I could take a nap now. Being as the wine has not yet run out (hey, only 4 Liters / person ;-) I see no reason to ‘risk it’… so back to the music videos ;-)

    Or maybe I’ll put the Chile Rellenos in the oven to be sure I can’t fall asleep ;-)

  48. E.M.Smith says:

    Oh, and: @agimarcagimarc

    Thanks! I finally got to find out what all the lyrics were… I like the music videos with animation and video too, but frankly, I’d never figured out until now with the lyrics presented that the backup voice was saying “It’s time I had some time alone”…

    And: @agimarc:

    That version is nice too… has a more visual impact …

    So, you talking to yourselves? ;-)

    You know, once upon a time I had an expensive stereo with a diamond needle cartridge turntable and all… Now I have a laptop with $20 headset… Times change…

  49. E.M.Smith says:

    Then again, maybe we are despite today vs tomorrow, just a speck of dust…

  50. E.M.Smith says:

    Pourquoi j’ai décidé de continuer à parler français:

    Vive la France!

    Y OMG I’ve never been so proud to be a Celtic / Iberian / Hispanic / whatever in my life…

    Clearly there is something “special” about us Celto/Iberian Franks…

  51. Steve C says:

    An hour or so in, and we seem to have got off lightly. So far, no clouds of smoke, distant explosions or screams for help from the streets. The BBC, obviously complicit in the whole thing, are preventing us from panicking by keeping calm and carrying on. Dogs bark. A typical apocalypse, in other words, all show and no go. When’s the next one due?

    @EM – Lit crit accepted, but I can do a lot worse. If you’re up late partying, remember: it’s not the transition to the next level that gets you, it’s the transition back the following morning. ;-)

  52. DirkH says:

    “”I see it as a changing of an energy, the changing of a guard, the changing of universal consciousness,” said Serg Miejylo, a 29-year-old gardener originally from Connecticut.”

    That means that the glory of Obama will obviously only become apparent in the 14th Bak’tun and you ain’t seen nothing yet. Just ask your local hippie.

  53. adolfogiurfa says:

    It has began….and in the days to come you´ll enjoy it!. Only E.M. can explain it: He is an economist………….

  54. adolfogiurfa says:

    @DirkH: Just don´t get scared, it´s the way indians knew it, as the Reuters link you gave us. Buy more popcorn!

  55. tckev says:

    Late breaking Maya News –
    “Due to unforeseen circumstances the advertised event, The End of The World, will not be.
    Apogees to all inconvenienced by this late change, rest assured that the rescheduling of this event will take place at a future date.
    Until then, stay tuned.”
    “Debido a circunstancias imprevistas, el evento anunciado, El Fin del Mundo, no lo será. Apogeos a todos los inconvenientes de este cambio de última hora, tenga la seguridad de que la reprogramación de este evento se llevará a cabo en una fecha futura. Hasta entonces, estad atentos”

  56. R. de Haan says:

    The “end of the world”BS is absurd, just like the AGW doctrine. The latter however will cost us deerly.

  57. adolfogiurfa says:

    @Tckev: IT HAS HAPPENED! ….you are writing in spanish!, it´s because GMF (global magnetic field) is changing ! :-)

  58. agimarc says:

    EM – sorry ’bout the double post. Some wierdness on my end.

    Still have a turntable, cartridge and 6 book boxes of vinyl. There were a bunch of old ’60s and early ’70s albums that never made it to CD / MP3 format. Figured out how to digitize and clean them up years ago. Problem is the filtering S/W. Every pass thru you end up flattening the signal a bit, and you lose something out of the original file. And every record was recorded differently, so you have to tweak settings a bit with each one you play with.

    Final end of the world video: Dandy Don Meredith singing “Turn out the Lights: on MNF. Cheers –

  59. Zeke says:

    The Electric Universe weighs in:
    “The sacred Mayan calendar based on cycles of 260 days and 360 days can be traced back to the Olmecs living in 800 BCE but the cycles themselves have no known counterparts in the real world today….

    Many early civilisations based their calendars on a 360-day year but in the case of the Maya this cannot be ascribed to ignorance of the true length of the year. They knew the year was 365.2420 days long, which is closer to the real value than our Gregorian calendar approximation!”

    It goes on to show how the Mayans were likely preserving an ancient synchronicity, and their calender was calculated “to retain the 260-day and 360-day calendars and adapt them to the new world order. What would have been the easiest way to do this? Well, just keep the old system but stop the civil clock during those extra 5 days each year.”

    This is an interesting read, and comes up with a mythical starting date of 3114 BC (a familiar date at Chiefio’s website for unusual geologic and cultural breaks) and winds up showing we are probably stacked up until…
    “The baktun digits run out in 4772. We’re probably all right until then.” (:

  60. Power Grab says:

    I like the Electric Universe. :-)

    Didja see the posting by the person who was trying to get the EU-ers all upset about the pending end of the world? Heh. Poor baby….

    I used to have a turntable with (IIRC) a sapphire cartridge. It’s been out of use for a long time. Now I have a USB turntable and have made it through maybe 5/6 of one cube of my LPs, converting them to CDs and MP3s. Whenever I finally find that other cube (in storage), you won’t see me for maybe 3 months! I saw where DAK has a product that is supposed to automatically split your tracks and look up the meta data for each song, but I don’t really think it will work 100% – especially considering how obscure half of my collection is! :-) Even with recently-minted CDs, sometimes it looks up the meta data and comes up with something entirely out of left field. So I generally just do it all by hand.

    BTW, I have that old, original Golddiggers LP. They used to play “We Need a Little Christmas” on the local radio station in the mornings when I was getting ready for school. My mom had this supersize tube-type radio on top of the fridge (about the size of a modern small microwave oven) that she played while we were all getting ready in the morning. It had nice sound for a mono unit. I used to step into the kitchen and stand right by it when they played that song. I ended up with the radio, too, but I’m sure it doesn’t work now.

  61. E.M.Smith says:

    @Steve C:

    Well, it’s “the following morning” and I’m in “transition” … So far so good…

    At least here, the Mayan literal prediction is coming true. We’ve got rain… (That’s what the Dresden Codex actually predicts. A lot of rain.) A quick check of Panama showed it had rain predicted / happened and northern South America is covered in rain per the map here:

    as is central South America (but not Brazil… odd).

    So looks to me like they did a pretty good job of a very very long term weather prediction…

    I think I need more coffee…

  62. E.M.Smith says:

    @Power Grab:

    If the radio doesn’t work, they are easy to fix. If stored, the tubes typically don’t age / fail, but the capacitors can end up aging to where they slowly get electrically leaky. Usually the electrolytic ones on the cathode / heater lines. They are fairly large round things with a wire out each end. If they are leaking, you get a lot of hummmmmm out. All it takes is to remove them and solder in new ones. (Sometimes you can just disconnect one end and with a voltmeter find out which ones are leaking and not.)

    The rest of those radios tends to be durable. Metal, resistors, ceramic, etc etc. Just blow the dust off ’em is about it.

    Oh, and tubes are still available, just not cheap…


    What? I have to wait another 2760 years for an End Of The World party?….

    FWIW, I don’t think they were preserving an older natural pattern, I think they were just not syncing the calendar to the year. It’s not an even integer of anything, so a culture often has a desire to link to something more exact. Thus the frequent use of lunar and sticking in holidays to match the two up. I think the Maya were syncing to something much longer cycle (as we’ve seen) and then just breaking it down by convenient factors to give usable “chunks”.

    The amount of angular momentum that would have to be removed from the earth to drop 5 days out of the year (to justify those old 360 day calendars) is just too big to lose without ‘bad things’ happening. Unless spread out over a long time. And while the LOD is getting longer as the moon moves out, it hasn’t changed much ‘lately’… i.e. in human cultural time…

    Besides, I think it’s changing in the wrong direction. We are getting longer days now, so fewer in the year in the future, not in the past…

    @R. de Haan:

    Note the category in which the article was posted…

    @Dirk H:

    So Germany is in the EU, and the EU seems to be going to Hell in a handbasket… so are you saying that hell is freezing over? Oh Dear!


    I’m not sure I can ‘explain it’ as I’m not sure what the “it” is that’s being referenced…

    But I think South America is gong to do well in the next cycle. As the North gets increasingly cold, the S. Hemisphere doesn’t change as much. So ought to have a great market for selling Ag produce and have an ongoing demand for goods and immigration of folks with money looking for a less cold, frozen, wet, and hungry place to live. (Though likely also pressure for immigration from North Africa / Mesopotamia as they go into a heavy drought and pressure for land purchases by China as they go looking for food supplies as they get more droughts and frozen…)

    So likely good times in S. America and Australia compared to the N. Hemisphere.

    If I can convince the spouse, I’m hoping to work in some time in S. America. We’ll see…

  63. DirkH says:

    “@Dirk H:
    So Germany is in the EU, and the EU seems to be going to Hell in a handbasket… so are you saying that hell is freezing over? Oh Dear!”

    Most definitely it is… Just walked home from the pub, half an hour… met some girls in stockings on their way to the Disco. Germans are a hardy bunch. -3 deg C. Not too bad, actually.

  64. Zeke says:

    EMSmith says: “The amount of angular momentum that would have to be removed from the earth to drop 5 days out of the year (to justify those old 360 day calendars) is just too big to lose without ‘bad things’ happening.”

    It would be an unimaginable catastrophe by any standards. Yet, our solar system does show evidence everywhere of being a very, very rough neighborhood. And while the catastrophes are now being admitted into the steady, clockwork Lyellian geology as “mass extinction events,” the planets and moons also give evidence of scarring which is both cataclysmic and unexplainable for our usual frame of reference. Two examples.

    So it depends on how you interpret the scarring in the solar system. Important research and experiments have been done which generate circular and hexagonal scars, with raised centers, in the laboratory. An electrical interpretation of planetary scarring is reproducible and explains the preponderance of impacts which are round or in chains, and create quite clean excavations and raised rims such as are seen quite often.

  65. DirkH says:

    “If I can convince the spouse, I’m hoping to work in some time in S. America. We’ll see…”

    In my last two projects I met
    -a German from Venezuela. He speaks Spanish but escaped from Chavez I think.
    -a German from Paraguay (who grew up there and never learned Spanish or Portoguese as he never had to leave the German speaking colony)
    -a German who emigrated to Brazil but regularly comes back to Germany for work; he owns a German software company and makes his money mostly here.

    Süd-zucker (southern German sugar industry megaplex) owns most of the Brazil sugar business I hear…

    So don’t be surprised if you meet a lot of Germans there.

  66. p.g.sharrow says:

    And we have a new date for the end of the world!
    Basing his calculations on prophetic readings of the Bible, the great scientist Isaac Newton once cited 2060 as a year when the planet would be destroyed.
    Looks like the doom sayers will have grist for their mill. Ha! ;-) pg

  67. Power Grab says:

    I gotta respond to this:
    DirkH says:
    21 December 2012 at 11:22 pm
    “@Dirk H:
    So Germany is in the EU, and the EU seems to be going to Hell in a handbasket… so are you saying that hell is freezing over? Oh Dear!”

    Most definitely it is… Just walked home from the pub, half an hour… met some girls in stockings on their way to the Disco. Germans are a hardy bunch. -3 deg C. Not too bad, actually.
    In his book “Nutrition and Physical Degeneration”, Dr. Weston A. Price wrote this about the children he met in in an isolated Swiss mountain valley:

    “The sturdiness of the child life permits children to play and frolic bareheaded and barefooted in water running down from the glacier in the late evening’s chilly breezes, in weather that made us wear our overcoats and gloves and button our collars.”

  68. John Robertson says:

    PG Sharrow, 2060 is too far away I’m sure if we give it no thought at all and find a MSM outlet we can start the next E.O.W scare going for next year.
    Power Grab I work in the Canadian Arctic and see that often, many habituated people can work outside at -20C without gloves or bulky winter gear, after -30 and lower it feels balmy at -20. T shirts come out in the spring -20C as the sun gains height and starts to radiate some warmth.

  69. E.M.Smith says:

    @Jim Robertson:

    OK, -20 C is -4 F (hey it seems warmer already ;-) And when are you folks going to start using a civilized system like F… )

    Once, on a layover in Kansas, it was -4 F outside. I was dressed in my usual ‘California clothes’ but had a heavy London Fog coat over it. Stepped outside to ‘experience it’. Wasn’t that bad, really. Didn’t seem any worse than 15 F (which I’d had when skiing many times) and was more comfortable than 32 F and sleet / wet. Mostly just noticed the ears got cold very fast. Probably would need a hat or ear muffs…

    Oh, I didn’t have gloves either.

    I could easily be comfy in -20 C and work outdoors. As long as there was some physical activity to make the body heat.

    (Then again, one year I went the whole year without wearing shoes, just to see what it would take. I was riding a Schwinn Varsity bike to classes at college and it had bare metal pedals. That was the year it snowed… twice… I found it wasn’t that bad. Then again, by then I had about a 1/4 inch thick ‘callus’ or pad on the bottoms of my feet. Once pulled a thumbtack out that had not made it to the ‘sensitive’ part yet… Amazing how much the body adapts. Now, with shoes and socks all the time, it’s like thin skin on the soles…)

    So I may be less sensitive to cold than most folks…

    @Dirk H.:

    Maybe it’s my German ancestry ;-)

    Then again, my Celtic ancestors used to run around naked in battle, and I don’t think it was limited to summer…


    I keep wondering if Adolfo’s homopolar motor effect could cause LOD changes on the order of 5 days out of 360….

    On impacts: “Somewhere” I’ve got a link to an article about Jupiter getting whacked a lot more often that ‘theory’ says it ought… which implies we do to…


    There are whole Mennonite villages in Argentina… and I likely have relatives (if distant) in that the same German religious escapees that landed here as my Amish ancestors had some going to South America…

    @P.G. Sharrow:

    Oh Boy, more to look forward too… (Maybe they will be quiet about it until 2040 or so…)


    I don’t know that it takes a change of nutrition….

    About 20 years back, we had a ‘beach party’ at Santa Cruz for my work group. Well, the water is about 45 F and you are encouraged not to spend long in it. This wasn’t exactly summer, either. Long story short, a few of us decided to swim anyway. I think I spent somewhere around 3 hours in the ocean. On getting out, I was quite reddish from the cold (it was not sunny at all). I had the heater on full bore for the 1/2 hour drive home, but on getting home was still ‘cold to the touch’ as my spouse confirmed. I think it took about 4 more hours to “warm up” to near normal. I had some hypothermia symptoms (though it’s a bit hard to say of the fuzzy headed was from that, or the beer ;-)

    In short, people are more adaptable than moderns think.

    Heck, when I was about 5, my Mum would dress me up warm and put a yellow slicker on me. I’d then go out into the rains (walking to school or ‘where ever’.) On my way home, after big storms, the streets would sometimes flood. We had ‘2 foot curbs’ and you could get 3 foot of standing water if they topped them… So what’s a kid going to do? I’d wade through it… and play in it. We’re talking winter rains. Sometimes just above ‘hail melt’ temperatures.

    I’d get home and be soaked head to toe… to the inevitable “what have you been up to!”… ;-)

    At ski resorts, I’ve been known to walk to the lodge in the same clothes I wear in an office environment. Slacks, light shirt, no T shirt. On one occasion it was 10 F in the parking lot. I was comfortable.

    Maybe it’s just the Neanderthal genes….

    OTOH, we had an in floor convective gas heater when I was a kid. When cold, we’d stand over it to get warm. I noticed that the more we “kept warm” the more we wanted to stay next to the heater… and the worse it felt outside. So one year I decided to NOT warm over the heater. Suddenly I felt much warmer wherever I was.. The added exterior heat was shifting some adaptive process to the ‘deal with heat’ side, and that made me feel very cold away from the heater. Even inside the house where it was about 72 F…

    So my conclusion was that the human body can cope just fine, if you give it some time to do so, and you can stop that process easily with external heating…

    After that was when I started doing things like going barefoot in the snow ;-)

    (The initial transition can be a bit rocky, though… Unused processes can take a while to get running again.)

  70. LG says:

    One more interesting read :

  71. adolfogiurfa says:

    @LG: The problem is one of translation:
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  72. Zeke says:

    Inre: Jupiter being “whacked” – Shoemaker-Levy fragments into pieces and hits Jupiter:

    Look at how brilliant the flash was: “Observations made with the ROSAT High Resolution Imager (HRI) during the impact of comet fragment K show intense x-ray emissions not present before or after the impact and clearly correlated with it. The emissions appear to originate from a region in Jupiter’s high-latitude northern hemisphere that is connected by magnetic field lines to the impact site in the southern hemisphere.”

    The x-rays are a signature of an electric discharge, in this case between the comet fragment and the planet. Another high energy flash between a projectile and a charged body in space:

    This flash swamped the sensors and so it was unable to record the effects of the copper projectile on the surface of the comet.

  73. Mddwave says:

    UPDATE: Recent recalc has 150 ft diameter ball coming within 18,000 miles of earth.

    “I am more fascinated with asteroid “2012 DA14″ due on Feb 15, 2013. A 186 foot diameter ball coming within 40,000 miles of earth. Maybe the Mayan were off 56 days or so.

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