Is there A sea level?

Folks who have been following for a while will know that one of my occasional complaints is about “over averaging”. It is a very common technique to average a bunch of stuff together and claim that the average reveals some new thing. That is rarely the case.

Averages can be very useful, but not for what they add, it is for what they remove.
An average is used to hide things.

Let that soak in a minute.

It can be very useful to hide something. It can even sometimes let you highlight some aspect of the data that is harder to see with all the ‘noisy bits’ in the way. (The information was always there, and visible, but averaging can remove the variation and let the pattern of trend over time be simplified). So take the “Simple Moving Average”. Say we have a stock price. We average it over 20 periods. We get $50 as the SMA right now. Next period we add one price to the ‘now’ end and drop one price from the ‘then’ end. What you end up with is a low volatility line that wiggles a bit, but the wiggles are lagged in time by 20 periods from reality. We see the longer term trend a bit more clearly, but it hides both the range of volatility AND the present trend. (It will take at least 11 periods for the ‘new’ data to dominate the 20 period average and shift the trend definitively.)

Don’t think so?


5, 25, 5, 25, 5, 25, 5, 25, 5, 25.
15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15.
25, 25, 25, 25, 25, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5.

They all give an average of 15. A 10 period SMA of them will have one data point of 15. They will all have the same ‘trend’ (none). Hidden are the dispersion of the first series, the dead flat of the second, and the hard drop of the last. (One could make a similar raising then falling trend line with acceleration that also had a 15 average).

So that’s why I’m always a bit “suspect” of anything that uses “averages”. I’m always wondering “What are they hiding?” since the purpose of an average is to remove something from the visible (supposedly so that something else is more visible… and it isn’t as clear that all three of those series are “15” over the times involved if you do not average them out… though I’m not sure what merit it brings to understanding their relative ‘trends’…)

MEAN Sea Level

What we call “Sea Level” is the MEAN Sea Level. It is an average taken from a bunch of places around the planet and averaged.

This “has issues”.

Over 1200 to 1500 years, lunar tidal forces go through a Saros Series and the mean sea level of any one place changes. Over 18 years we have a Saros Cycle and the mean sea level of various places around the planet change by a more modest amount. Over the month, the lunar tide cycle sifts sea level by meters in some place, and inside a single day solar tidal forces coupled with the moon can move sea level by many more meters.

So for that one place, there is no one ‘sea level’. There are many constantly changing, often cyclical, but not neatly repeating sea levels. It may be useful to say that the “mean sea level” is that spot about 3 meters below high tide, but it does not help me stay dry should I go stand there. Actual sea level cares not much at all about the average of changes.

At present, we use satellites to make a topo map of the ocean and calculate some kind of mean elevation. In the past, we used tide gauges at selected places. In the ancient past? Well, for that we use geological features. Where has their been wave cutting of shore rocks? What do sediments say about rates of water flow and depth?

But those physical measures are all “point measures”. There is NO “mean sea level” gauge. It is an artificial created thing from averaging together many of those very different things.

Yet on very long time scales, geology causes the height of the land to change by distances of many meters. (It can, and has, moved up or down by several meters in just one earthquake at many places around the globe, in a matter of moments.) So on longer time scales, we have to deal with the fact that the earth itself is bucking, bending, rising and heaving, subducting and falling. There are massive tonnages of sediment being washed into the oceans and filling them up from the bottoms. (A whole Grand Canyon full just off the coast of Mexico…)

So in reality, there is no one true ‘sea level’. There can not be. Averaging many measurements of different sea levels at different places and times gives an interesting number, but one that hides more than it reveals.

For example, this chart:

Holocene Sea Level

Holocene Sea Level

Original Image

Makes it look like a long fast rise turned into a shallower rise then essentially halted about 2000 years ago. But look at those colored ‘stars’ of data. They are scattered on both sides over a long time. Wide error bands each, and wide dispersion between them. Is there really ANY reason to think that sea level was static for those 2000 years? We have plenty of geological evidence for local places with non-static sea level. Ancient ports found inland today, for example.

Gone Looking

So I had gone looking for some indication that sea level had been a bit higher in the relative historic past. ( On “The Documentary Channel” they had a show on a new timeline for Ancient Egypt and showed a map with some of Egypt and Saudi Arabia flooded and I wanted to find when that might have been, it being ‘unfamiliar’…)

I ran smack into that graph above, and then a load of ‘global warming’ crap about how we were all drowning (despite no detectable ocean rise, and even a recent drop…) Finally, I ran into a couple of interesting history stories. At the end of it all, I was reminded that all sea level is local and nobody has the average sea level.


The actual paper is hidden, but the abstract says:

Mid-late Holocene sea-level variability in eastern Australia

Lewis, Stephen E., Wust, Raphael A.J., Webster, Jody M., and Shields, Graham A. (2008) Mid-late Holocene sea-level variability in eastern Australia. Terra Nova, 20 (1). pp. 74-81.

A re-analysis of sea-level data from eastern Australia based on 115 calibrated C-14 ages is used to constrain the origin, timing and magnitude of sea-level change over the last 7000 years. We demonstrate that the Holocene sea-level highstand of +1.0–1.5 m was reached ~7000 cal yr BP and fell to its present position after 2000 yr BP. These findings are in contrast to most previous studies that relied on smaller datasets and did not include the now common conversion of conventional C-14 ages to calendar years. During this ~5000 year period of high sea level, growth hiatuses in oyster beds and tubeworms and lower elevations of coral microatolls are interpreted to represent short-lived oscillations in sea-level of up to 1 m during two intervals, beginning c. 4800 and 3000 cal yr BP. The rates of sea level rise and fall (1–2 mm yr-1) during these centennial-scale oscillations are comparable with current rates of sea-level rise. The origin of the oscillations is enigmatic but most likely the result of oceanographic and climatic changes, including wind strengths, ice ablation, and melt-water contributions of both Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets.

So 7000 years before present ‘sea level’ might have been lower, or higher by a meter, than at present? Then it fell after 2000 BP to end up where we are now. We had sea level changes of up to 1 m at a go, and at 4800 and 3000 BP (gee, 1800 years apart… that’s a familiar number…) and those changes were similar to present rates of sea level change.

Oh, and they have no idea why, but will trot out the list of ‘usual suspects’ anyway. I note in passing that geology and lunar / tidal are NOT on their list…

Meanwhile, over in Israel…

II – Dynamiques de l’environnement à l’échelle régionale

Holocene sea-level changes and landscape evolution on the northern Carmel coast (Israel)
Variations du niveau de la mer et évolution des paysages le long du littoral du Carmel Nord (Israël)
Ehud Galili, Dov Zviely et Mina Weinstein-Evron

Archaeological, fluvial and morphological features are used to reconstruct sea-level changes and landscape evolution on the northern Carmel coast, Israel during the Holocene. Between 8900 BP and 7000 BP1 sea level lay between 35 m and 7 m below present, rising at an average rate of 12-14 mm/yr. This rate decreased to 2-4 mm/yr between 7000 BP and 4000 BP, with the sea between –7 m and present MSL. Since the Middle Bronze Age (4000 BP), sea level has been within ± 0.5 m. The landscape has evolved in five main stages, linked to the Holocene marine transgression and changes in the fluvial water regime. (1) Around 8900 BP, sea level lay around –35 m. The southern coastline between N. Megadim and N. Maharal was straight and sandy. North of N. Oren, the coastline was mostly rocky, with marshy clays embedded in the troughs between the coastal kurkar ridges. All southern wadis, from N. Megadim to N. Maharal, crossed the Carmel coast kurkar ridge through the N. Oren canyon. The northern wadis from N. Mitleh to N. Ahuza were blocked and flowed northward, crossing the Carmel coast ridge westward through N. Ovadia channel and at Kfar Samir. (2) Between 8200 BP and 7500 BP, sea level lay around –16 m. North of N. Oren the coastline was extensively indented, creating lagoons and shallow bays. To the south, the coast was straight and sandy. Alluvial sediments filled the eastern trough and water overflow allowed streams to flow directly to the sea. (3) Between 7000 BP and 6500 BP, the sea was around 9 m below present. A row of offshore islands was situated parallel to the coast from Atlit northward. (4) During the Chalcolithic period (6000-5700 BP) sand dune barriers interrupted natural drainage and a series of polyhaline lagoons was formed. (5) Between 5700 and the Middle Bronze Age, sea level has risen to its present position.

Which also implies it hasn’t changed much since the Middle Bronze Age. But notice how different those sea levels are from the Australian ones?!

7 meters difference for 7000 BP. And someone wants me to get worked up over a few millimeters?

Not a ‘scientific paper’, but interesting all the same. This article has another view of sea level changes. While it cries out for more of a ‘Dig Here!’ to get the papers behind it, turns out I have a fever/cold right now and mostly just feel like sleeping… so I will… which means someone else will need to do that digging while I explore hot tea, warm blankets, and cool clear water…

From India, a historical perspective:

Rise in sea level submerged Dwarka?
TNN Mar 3, 2005, 02.48am IST

LUCKNOW: Oceanographic experts advise that human settlements should be at least 500 metres to one km away from the seashore in India because besides tsunamis, rise in sea level also poses a threat. Or else what happened to Dwarka, which mythology says was founded by Lord Krishna, and now submerged in the Bay of Kutch, may happen to present settlements on shorelines. These predictions are not based on any mythological statement, but on scientific facts derived after studying 15,000-year-old microfossils found in oceans.

Was it a tsunami which hit the Dwarka? “No”, said Rajiv Nigam, who is head of the geological oceanography division, National Institute of Oceanography, Goa. “Evidences are that a tusmani hit the western coast of India about 8000 years before present (BP), but Dwarka submerged due to rise in the sea level. Nigam has done extensive research on depth fluctuations along Indian coasts. He was in department of geology, Lucknow University, to deliver the MR Sahni Memorial Lecture.

The sea level has always been changing, he said, due to various climatic factors. Studies show that sea level was 100 meters below the present sea level 15,000 years BP, rose steadily and was 60-70 metres below present sea level 10,000 years BP. In the next 1500 years it reached to 40 metres below present sea level, came at par with the present sea level around 7000 years BP, then rose by five metres in the next 1000 years.

Thereafter, there was a gradual fall and sea level came down to 20-30 metres below present sea level about 3500 years BP when Dwarka is presumed to have been constructed. Again levels rose to above 5 metres present sea level about 1000 years BP. In the last 1000 years, the sea level has come down to the present position and is now stationary, but may rise in future.

Nigam explained that mythology says that Lord Krishna constructed Dwarka after snatching land from the sea. But as per science constructions can be on a land reclaimed from sea. However, when sea level rises, these settlements are first to get submerged. Dwarka submerged due to rise in sea level 3500 years BP.

He has also used marine archaeological studies to resolve a three-decade long controversy of Harappan settlement in Lothal, Gujrat. He recovered foraminiferal micro fossils, around 4500 years old from the site, which established that sea water once flowed in Lothal and there also existed a dockyard.

Well, that sure clears things up… We’ve got 5 meter range fluctuations over 1000 years. So if the present ‘sea level’ rose by 5 meters, it would be back where it was in 1000 A.D.!

So what SUV and coal fired power plants caused it to be so high back then? Eh?

I have no idea if that bit of history is due to global shifts of ‘sea level’ or local geology shifts. Nor does anyone else. That there are similar dated ports and harbors in Turkey and Italy, now found well inland, implies to me that ‘sea level’ was higher, and has been dropping, and that any recent ‘rise’ is likely just due to a normal cycle of rise / fall on a 1000 to 2000 year basis.

Pointing at present sea level changes as evidence of human induces warming is folly.

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13 Responses to Is there A sea level?

  1. John Robertson says:

    Same logic applies to the north American ice melt, when the local bedwetters started crying about the vanishing sea ice and glaciers a few years ago, I did some dumb math.
    Approx 20 000yrs ago geologists claim there was a ice sheet covering Canada and 1/2 the USA.
    That sheet was 3 miles thick where Yellowknife is now, so thats 5280ft x 12″x3=190080″dividing by 20 000yr come to 9.5″ melt per year.
    Spread across this huge land mass, the volume is staggering (and I’m too lazy to work out the area )
    Now geologists say the actual melting was done in pulses and most of the ice was gone by 10-15 000 years ago so the real melt rate might have been >38″ pre year.
    The panic about the sea ice is idiotic when compared to the past.
    The sea level rise is another, we are told that the original settlers of this continent came across a land bridge that is 300ft under water today, then these same anthropologists go looking for evidence of these people in the foothills of our modern mountains.
    Then we go a few million years further back and the fossilized creatures found in the Alberta badlands swam in shallow seas.
    Todays experts make my head hurt.

  2. Peter Offenhartz says:

    Here’s something you might find interesting: In the tidal zones that I follow as a sailor and sea passenger, the variation in high tides is far greater than the variation in low tides. And note: (Land) Elevations “above sea level” refer to heights above “mean low tide” on nautical and non-nautical charts.

  3. Petrossa says:

    Anyone looking at this quickly understands there is no such thing as an uniform sealevel and no way to average it out. Only when really highlying lands start to flood you can tell, but in measuring it in millimeters is totally absurd.

  4. adolfogiurfa says:

    “Al Baby” knew that so he decided to buy a sea shore property…just preaching with his acts.

  5. adolfogiurfa says:

    BTW: Hotter waters from the south POLE?, a southern Niño?, has the GMF flipped?….Cold waters used to come from the south (Humboldt´s current) not the other way around. What the heck is it happening? If somebody knows at least an approximate answer I want to know it.

  6. E.M.Smith says:


    Notice the ‘blue tongue’ poking out from South America into the Pacific? Cold water rushing up the spine of South America and turning out to cool the equator. That, then, pushes the South Pacific gyre around and the hotter water near Australia gets sucked down toward the pole to be cooled and the heat dumped to space. That warm anomaly is not FROM the south, it is going TO the south. Picture here:



    @John Robertson:

    I’ve gone looking for “highstand” data. Turns out that all over the planet there are places a meter or three above sea level that are ‘recent’. So in Florida on the keys, I was at a park with coral about a meter above sea level. Just like those roman ports and other places. So folks getting panties in a bunch about warming ought to be really worked up that the sea lever jumps up and down a couple of meters all on it’s own (and inside historical times too!)

    As one example:,Bahamas-bedrock-geology.htm

    At the locality shown above (Grotto Beach), the lithified beach deposits are exposed two meters above current, mean sea level. Some geologists have taken this as evidence for a mid-Holocene highstand, and that modern sea level is lower than it was during portions of the mid-Holocene. A similar conclusion has been reached based on geologic evidence from elsewhere in the New World and the Old World.

    Though they feel compelled to put a ‘someone else said no!’ link just after it.

    In any case, there are only 2 possible interpretations:

    1) There was a mid-Holocene highstand a couple of meters above present (that just happens to match abandoned harbors now found will inland all around the globe).

    2) An awful lot of places had about the same amount of geologic ‘uplift’, even in places entirely unrelated to each other such as Florida, Bahamas, Italy, Turkey, and more.

    I think the ‘easier’ solution is just that we had water 2 meters higher and it’s been going back to the South Pole for a few thousand years now… (Seems to me we do have ice layers there from the last few thousand years…)

  7. adolfogiurfa says:

    @E.M.: Where is it the COLD Humboldt´s current? It is supposed to run according to that “gyre” you just mentioned. Just wait and enjoy it.

  8. p.g.sharrow says:

    The Satellite data of the last 20 years has been flat so they added an adjustment

    Got to make the record match the theory. pg

    Also See:

    Click to access NilsAxelMornerinterview.pdf

  9. Chuckles says:

    A good article EM. (I have to say that, the constant wailing about sea-level pushes my buttons as it’s one of my pet peeves..), but I think you should use even stronger language in places.

    Whenever someone mentions sea-level, particularly in the “we’re all going to drown” context, my immediate reaction is to ask, “What exactly do you think you mean by ‘sea-level’?”
    A crucial point which you touch on is that “mean sea-level” is, like “global mean temperature”, a human construct. It is a model, and has no actual reality or meaning in the real world. This makes it, again, like “global mean temperature”, very useful for spreading alarm and claiming all sorts of scary scenarios.
    Another important point is that it can be used interchangeably to refer to local sea-levels in an area, as though it was the same thing, which does wonders for the hand-waving.

    From what I’ve seen, local mean sea levels are defined by something like, “Measure the level every hour for 19 years and average it.”, which is not a pastime I want to indulge. Global mean sea level is complicated because geoids and equipotential surfaces start to intrude, and we discover that it’s all about the gravitational field, which isn’t very well modeled, and local variations of +- 2 m, over and above the constantly changing gravity variations.
    In precision survey work, much time is spent on refining local gravity models to accurately determine land elevations, and I suspect this is a lot more complex.

    The satellite data has it’s own problems, particularly the usual, “What’s your datum/benchmark?”
    Neither the satellite, nor the sea surface, nor the earth itself are fixed in relation to the others, so the satellite altimetry is measuring variations in the system….

    A useful overview here, for those of a masochistic tendency –

    Click to access sea-level.pdf

  10. George says:

    It’s just the continuum of flow… dominant-yang style views pretend in persistence.

  11. JP Miller says:

    The Nils Axel Morner video linked by PG Sparrow was fascinating. Unless Nils is completely wacko — which the clarity of his data suggest he’s not (although I thought he’d have apoplexy once or twice!) — I don’t quite understand how the “sea level is rising” (adjusted) data stands. Is climate science that corrupt, really? It’s breathtaking.

  12. E.M.Smith says:


    Yes, it is that corrupt.

    Some of it is willful self deception. Some of it is deliberate vandalism for personal gain.

    There is a very large and highly funded set of organizations dedicated to cooking the books. That is the sad, but inevitable conclusion. Someone took “1984” as ‘working manual’ rather than ‘warning’…

    As to ‘how it stands’: Once you have ‘top cover’ with your folks in the key places, it’s easy to keep things standing. Just shoot any messenger you don’t like. Pretty quick they run out, or smarten up enough to stop coming. Look at authoritarian regimes through all of history; it is the same story. Who in Stalin’s USSR did not practice science as directed by State Goals?

    We had a brief Naturalist Enlightenment period, but The Powers That Wanna Be didn’t like it, so have set out to kill it. (At least, that’s how it looks to me). They are winning and “The Darkness Comes”…. A few of us are doing what we can to try to keep the lights on…


    Thanks! I generally try to use ‘understatement for effect’ rather than strong language. That British Mum and all ;-)

    Though given the paper P.G. linked, maybe stronger language does work better ;-)

    It pretty much shows, and from the world expert no less, that sea level isn’t rising and is lower than at peak.

  13. p.g.sharrow says:

    It certainly appears that the oceans have been cooling and contracting over the last 8,000 years. Sometimes warmer and sometimes cooler. Each step cooler then the last. During the time of the great Ice Mountains, the much lowered oceans warmed first, then the Ice Mountains melted sucking up huge amounts of energy and adding great amounts of refrigerant into the atmospheric system to transport energy to space. pg

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