Hillary and Sanders really all they have?

Watching the “Nightly News”, you would think that Hillary Clinton is the only real candidate that the Democrats have, and that the Republicans have about 14… or 15… or sometimes 16… and then Bernie Sanders is really a Socialist but is pretending to be a Democrat candidate just to make Hillary look like she has not been Corronated (which she is, in fact, in the process of being…)

Fox news has said they will put on a debate for the Republicans, but only for the Top Ten. Since that changes day to day, it’s basically a coin toss who makes the debates. I don’t like the idea of having my choices set by a coin toss. Even a metaphorical one.

A Modest Suggestion

Fox ought to have TWO debates. One with the Top Ten, and one with the Enhanced Field. That way we can get to look over the whole field, and it isn’t quite so “Fox telling me who matters” and “coin toss” like.

Folks who really care can watch them both. Folks who don’t can watch the Top Ten.

Then the results afterward would be much more interesting. As one person “wins” the Enhanced Field, it could make a lot of interesting news… Especially if the Top Ten has a “Perry Like” Crash and Burn moment for one of the candidates ( The “Oops” moment…).

But first, back at the Democrats.

Realy Just One and The Socialist?

Is it really the case that NOBODY is running against Hillary but one guy who makes her look middle of the road?

This site lists a lot more:

http://2016.democratic-candidates.org/

Declared Democratic Party Presidential Candidates

Howell Astor

If you ask Howell Astor, unemployment is the biggest problem facing America. He wants to do something about that, by putting people back to work and stopping the flow of American jobs to China. He also doesn’t have many nice things to say about Hillary Clinton, and he’s a Democrat today because he wanted to take her on.

Morrison Bonpasse

A trained legal expert with deep concerns about the American prison system, Bonpasse runs a nonprofit organization that seeks to exonerate the wrongfully convicted. He’s also globally-minded, putting humanity first in a way not often seen in prospective American presidents.

Jeff Boss

Fairly mundane liberal politics with a few conservative leanings are couched in a superlatively suspicious mind in Jeff Boss. He believes that the NSA is bugging his phone and trying to poison him in an effort to cover up the truth about 9/11, but Democrats would find little extreme about most of his policy standings.

Harry Braun

Deeply concerned about environmental disaster, Harry Braun looks to the construction of arcologies for shelter from the coming chaos. He also worries about bribery and corruption in government, and seeks a Constitutional Convention to pass an amendment giving direct control to the American people.

Andy Caffrey

A strong environmentalist and advocate against genetically modified organisms, Andy Caffrey is the first Democratic candidate to run on a platform of truly green politics. He is an accomplished and passionate man with campaign experience, and has turned his focus to the White House.

Willie Carter

This retired USAF member and father of nine definitely brings something different to the table. Carter is in his eighth consecutive run for the Presidency, which he entered because he was “commanded of the Lord to enter the race to become President of the United States of America”.

Lincoln Chafee

Lincoln Chafee has served various roles in politics as Republican, Independent, and Democrat. His policies defy strict labeling, which has made it hard for him to build a camp and may hamper his 2016 presidential campaign bid.

Hillary Clinton

Others’ names have been spoken, but Hillary Rodham Clinton is clearly the current frontrunner for the Democratic nomination in 2016. As she takes her place in the public spotlight, it appears she’s assumed the role, for her party and in history.

Lloyd Kelso

Born to poverty, Kelso is no stranger to hard work. He believes the middle class has been disenfranchised in modern America, and feels it’s important to rectify that by lowering or eliminating taxes on the less fortunate. Socially, however, he sojourns to the right on foreign policy and Second Amendment issues.

Martin O’Malley

There’s probably only a handful of serving governors that could rival Gov. O’Malley’s success in Maryland. Aside from overseeing a 40% reduction in crime rate, his successful legislative agenda, most notably recognition for same-sex marriages, bears testament to the fact.

Bernie Sanders

Generally regarded as a Democrat, Sanders is in fact the longest-serving Independent in the history of the United States Congress. Having held office as both Vermont’s at-large congressional representative and Mayor of the city of Burlington, he is currently the sitting junior Senator of Vermont.

Doug Shreffler

Doug Shreffler is not a career politician but a man of optimism with a goal of cross-party unification. His distinctive perspective was born from his lifelong service to our country in foreign affairs with the CIA and as a US envoy with G4 Classification.

Michael Steinberg

Michael Steinberg has built a career advocating for those left behind. He has entered the race for President to bring attention to the issues that are not being addressed and to advocate for those forgotten in Washington, especially the elderly, the disabled and our Veterans.

Jim Webb

Jim Webb is a decorated veteran, accomplished author and former Senator who often worked across party lines. Webb worked in the administration of Republican President Ronald Reagan, and served as a Democratic Senator after defeating incumbent GOP Senator George Allen of Virginia.

Robby Wells

The former football coach turned public servant is a moderate libertarian seeking the Democratic Party’s nomination in 2016. Wells has made it clear that he isn’t afraid to call out politicians on both sides of the aisle. He finished third for the Constitution Party’s nomination in 2012.

Willie Wilson

Willie Wilson is a classic rags-to-riches American success story. The poor Louisiana boy who fled conditions he considered to be virtual slavery and once worked as a janitor for $2 an hour eventually came to own the stores he used to mop. Now, a self-made man, he brings a liberal voice to the presidential race.

Brad Winslow

Brad Winslow believes the federal government is a business owned by the American people – a business whose managers are insufficiently accountable to their bosses. He reveals few of his policy ideas, but he’s passionate about one goal: The “Public House Amendment” to the constitution.

Potential Democratic Party Presidential Candidates

Current Vice-President of the United States Possible Democratic Presidential Candidate Joe Biden

Joe Biden

Prior to his election as VP, Mr. Biden was already one of the most influential men in Washington, chairing the powerful Foreign Relations and Judiciary committees for a record-breaking three terms each. The ex-Delaware Senator is also the 15th-longest serving Senator in history.

U.S. Senator from Massachusetts Potential Democratic Presidential Candidate Elizabeth Warren

Elizabeth Warren

When conservatives speak of the beauty and dignity of Americans achieving greatness from humble beginnings, it is ironic that they are describing – among others – the life story of the very liberal Elizabeth Warren. From humble beginnings as a waitress, she has risen to become Senior Senator of Massachusetts.
More on Elizabeth Warren

Now when I go through that and count them all up, I get a lot more than 2.

I get 17 and one of them a woman. (Gee, rather like the Republicans…) Then with 2 “maybe” one of them a woman.

So WTF is it with the media and WHY are they effectively lying to the people about who is a declared candidate for the Democratic Nomination for President? Hmmmm?

Jim Webb is in, for Crissakes. I’d take him over Hillary in a heartbeat. A real, strong, experienced candidate without the “baggage” and the “First Gentleman” problem. (Think Billy is gonna keep the zipper up with nothing to do all day but “work with the White House staff”… or maybe Hillary will have an all-male secretarial / housekeeping staff…)

That we have not even heard his name on the Nightly News is nearly criminal.

I watch a LOT of news, and I like Jim Webb. Had his name gone by with “candidate”, I’d have heard it. Now I can’t watch all the channels all the time, so someone might have said it once; but it sure isn’t getting the “4 wall” coverage of Hillary vs Sanders.

So, since when did the Media do the coronations?

The Republicans

Just for completion, here’s the Republican list. (Hit the link for pictures and more detail, just like the Democrat link above).

http://2016.republican-candidates.org/

Declared Republican Party Presidential Candidates

Skip Andrews

“Skip” Andrews is a diverse candidate who probably has at least one opinion to please anyone. Few politicians are able to satisfy both a pro-legalization marijuana advocate and a staunch pro-lifer. Of course, this also means most would object to a majority of his platform.

George Bailey

George Bailey has spent much of his life preaching the gospel, but he’s had a rich and successful career outside the ministry as well. He’s a solid conservative pretty much across the board. Bailey is unfortunately saddled with a number of health problems, but he doesn’t let them keep him down.

Michael Bickelmeyer

An eccentric fellow who enjoys coming up with some very creative inventions, Bickelmeyer is running for the GOP nomination in 2016. He has a very dim view of terrorists and drug traffickers – in fact, he wants to deploy weapons to fry them from orbit.

Kerry Bowers

A former military man with a long career in the United States Air Force, Kerry Bowers has experience not only in the armed forces but as a police dispatcher, businessman, and in many other fields.

Jeb Bush

Florida’s only Republican two-term Governor, Jeb Bush is a heavyweight political contender who comes from a family of presidents. His left-leaning ideologies make him too liberal for the taste of some in his party, however, and his lineage could be hindrance rather than help.

Dr. Ben Carson

Ben Carson is a highly accomplished physician who is seen as a breath of fresh air in the world of politics. He has left his position as director of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Medical Center and is in pursuit of the U.S. presidency in 2016.

Dale Christensen

With experience in business management around the world, Dale Christensen is a self-described “first and foremost” family man who advocates a variety of conservative principles.

Chris Christie

Chris Christie tells it like it is and doesn’t care whom he offends – even when he gets in trouble for being nice. More than a few people on all sides have surely used his portrait as a dartboard, but he’s earned a lot of respect for his fearless tongue, and Republicans appreciate his conservative ideology.

Ted Cruz

The Harvard and Princeton-educated attorney once served as the Domestic Policy Advisor to former president George W. Bush. Noted for his formidable oratory skill, Senator Cruz is viewed by some as one of the intellectual leaders of the tea party movement.

Brooks Cullison

A man of faith for whom addressing the threat of radical Islam is Job One, but Brooks Cullison also worries about the abused and destitute in the US and the high volume of illegal immigrant traffic crossing the border with Mexico. Support for education is another issue on which he feels strongly.

John Dummett, Jr.

Hailing from the state of California, John Dummet, Jr is a Constitutional Republican who has become disenfranchised with both the Republican and Democratic parties.

Mark Everson

A strong conservative with an extremely dim view of large banks, Mark Everson calls the integrity of mainstream politicians into question and accuses them of catering to monied special interests. He strongly believes a President should serve only a single term.

Jack Fellure

A stubborn refusal to say “die” is one of the hallmarks of Jack Fellure, who’s been running for President every four years since 1988. He’s a dauntlessly religious man and a rock-solid conservative, advocating alcohol prohibition and the criminalization of homosexuality, among other right-wing positions.

Carly Fiorina

The only well-known woman running for the Republican nomination in 2016, Carly Fiorina is a unique political figure. Her business experience and conservative principles make her attractive to the right, but past difficulties and failures could haunt her moving forward.

Lindsey Graham

The former Colonel with the USAF JAG unit has been one of the most recognized Republican faces in the post-2012 election era. However, his reputation as a compromise broker in Congress has taken a hit over his recent conversion into a foreign policy hawk.

Jim Hayden

Not content to sit idly by while the nation slips further away from our founding documents, Jim Hayden has announced his candidacy for President. This self-described “constitutional conservative” is making his second run for the presidency following an unsuccessful bid in 2012.

Chris Hill

Chris Hill is a combat veteran who served as a pilot during Desert Storm. Although he is running on the Republican ticket, some of his leanings are at odds with those of the GOP, including his “Living Wage” plan and his support for labor unions and recognition of gay marriages.

Mike Huckabee

Mike Huckabee is an Evangelical Christian who never shies away from his faith. In January, 2015, he bid farewell as host of his popular talk show on the Fox News Channel to pursue his 2016 presidential bid.

Bobby Jindal

Gov. Jindal created history in 2008 when he became the first Indian American to be elected a state Governor. At the grand old age of 24, the Rhodes Scholar was appointed by Gov. Murphy Foster to manage the Health and Human Services Dept., the largest department in the state.

John Kasich

The sitting Governor of Ohio has enjoyed stunning political success over his life, and he’s hoping to ride it all the way to the White House in 2016. His incomplete rejection of Obamacare has put him on the outs with the Tea Party, but other Republicans are likely to back his strong conservative policies.

Michael Kinlaw

Michael Kinlaw is a conservative Republican who has strong opinions on a number of issues. His views put him right in line with a number of other conservatives likely to run in 2016. Kinlaw has no political background and has launched his campaign in his hometown of Houston.

K. Ross Newland

It’s hard to disagree with what K. Ross Newland wants to do as President – there’s so darn little of it. He believes in limited government that leads by influence rather than mandate, while his strong Christian faith brings him to call for generous tithing that would allow churches to practice large-scale charity.

George Pataki

A three-term Governor of New York State with an impressive political career besides, George Pataki is a red Republican who has found success in blue country. His fiscal policies are pleasing enough to the GOP base, but his stance on social issues may leave something to be desired.

Rand Paul

Sen. Paul finally emerged from the huge shadow of his larger than life father, maverick Republican Ron Paul, when he was selected to deliver the tea party response to President Obama’s SOTU address in 2013, and in the process, cementing his de facto leadership of the movement.

Rick Perry

After his ultimately underwhelming presidential bid in 2012, Gov. Perry, the longest serving Texas governor in history, announced a 2016 presidential bid at an event hosted by his political action committee, RickPAC, on June 4, 2015.

Michael Petyo

A “business first” fiscal conservative with a very optimistic view of the role played by corporations in generating wealth, Michael Petyo is himself a business owner who feels the United States has lost its way economically and that relaxed regulation on the private sector is the solution.

Marco Rubio

Marco Rubio is definitely on the short list of names for Republican frontrunner. Being himself of Cuban heritage, he enjoys strong support among the important Latino demographic, in addition to holding solid conservative principles that make him eminently likeable to the Republican constituency.

Brian Russell

Brian Russell is a successful entrepreneur who believes that implementing sound economic policy should be the government’s top priority. He also supports a strong military and foreign policy that presents the USA as the true leader in the free world.

Rick Santorum

The former two-term Senator from Pennsylvania announced yet another bid to be the party’s nominee for president in 2016 on May 27, 2015. With a small but loyal base behind him, Senator Santorum will work to expand his demographic appeal over the next months.

Jefferson Sherman

He’d rather talk about America’s problems and their solutions than talk about himself, but he’s got a lot to say. Jefferson Sherman has three “core goals” for his administration, should it come to pass, focusing on job creation, honorable foreign policy, and reduced government.

Shawna Sterling

Shawna Sterling has opinions all her own, even on matters which might not generally be considered up for debate. She blames GMOs above all else for childhood obesity, and pledges to eliminate their use in school cafeteria food. Otherwise, she is generally conservative, with a strong faith and strict opposition to abortion.

Donald Trump

A wealthy business tycoon and well-known American personality, Donald Trump brings a dour attitude that never fails to entertain. He has channeled his notoriety into a number of outlets, now including a 2016 presidential run.

Scott Walker

Gov. Walker’s proposed Wisconsin Act 10 triggered a wave of controversy that forced a recall election in his second year in office. However, Gov. Walker prevailed and achieved the distinction of becoming the country’s first governor to survive a recall election.

Potential Republican Party Presidential Candidates

Bob Ehrlich

Bob Ehrlich is a Republican who generally keeps to the middle, as necessitated by his success as a politician in the mostly liberal state of Maryland. His unapologetically pro-business stance, however, promises dividends from conservatives and difficulties from most others.

Jim Gilmore

Jim Gilmore has ruffled conservative feathers with his abortion positions, but there is no doubting his right-wing tendencies on a number of other issues. He has also achieved the closest analogue to filling the Oval Office – governing a state – giving him the resume to back up his potential aspirations.

I get 33, plus 2 in the “maybe” group. No wonder they almost all poll in the single digits. 100 / 33 = 3.x% on average. That makes the “minor candidates” even more coin toss like on the weeding out for the debates.

We really need a bit broader way to at least hear these folks ONCE and then pitch them if they don’t cut it. With that in mind…

The B Leagues

Sure, a lot of those folks are like the “B” League in sports. But I really enjoy going to B league games. The Minor Leagues are often far more “genuine” than the “Pro Leagues”. There’s a lot more interesting things that happen that you never get to see in the “Majors”, and often the stars of the future are shining very brightly there.

So just why is it that we’re not getting to see any of the Minor League Games in this sport of Presidential Roulette?

Personally, I’d love to see an elimination playoffs with these folks. Match them up in groups of 2 on 2 or 3 on 3 and the best 2 advance to the next round. Or whatever. Think of the opportunities for office pools and “Political debate as sport” shows.

There’s be a load of comedy as some of them crash and burn once the cameras and lights come on.

There would be tragedy as some of them crash too hard to bear.

There might even be a bit of wisdom and some sparkle from some of them. Perhaps even enough to wake up Madam Hillary from her plastic funk speeches to the folks who don’t care and aren’t listening. Some of the Republican field could be winnowed a bit earlier, and we might be able to see if the Democrats have any ideas beyond “Socialism Hard Cord, or Billy Redux with a Dress (not blue)”.

Heck, I would bet beer and popcorn sales would spike too…

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11 Responses to Hillary and Sanders really all they have?

  1. omanuel says:

    Thank you for having the fortitude to read and report on the hopelessness and uselessness of the next election.

  2. p.g.sharrow says:

    Have faith my friend. Prophecies say that the Great Deceiver will be replaced by a Wise Old Man that will set humanity on the right path.
    The Philosophy of Moore will lose all credibility as the people will realize it’s falsehood. Unfortunately that means some hard times as the lesson is driven home. pg

  3. Larry Ledwick says:

    I have not been able to decide if Bernie is running to make Hilary look middle of the road (just doing his part) or if the extreme progressive/socialist wing really wants to go all in for a socialist.

    The other possibility is that all the traditional candidates are scared to death to run against the God Mother of the Clinton organized crime family, and are using Bernie to strip enough votes away from her to leave her vulnerable. If so, likely they figure she will eventually implode trying to defend her record.

    This election cycle is certainly going to be interesting.

    The other possibility is that the “real candidate” is waiting quietly in the wings for Hillary to self destruct ( the recent leaks and dwindling cover she is getting from the major media who were in Obama’s pocket, might indicate Obama has put out the word it is okay to torpedo her candidacy).

    If followed up the recent release that said some of her emails included classified information (Duh) if followed up should quickly destroy her candidacy.

    Since some folks think the New York Times is one of the “official news outlets for the Progressive power players”, I find it interesting that this article came out in the NYT.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/25/us/politics/hillary-clinton-email-classified-information-inspector-general-intelligence-community.html?_r=0

    They found 4 out of 40 samples of her email contained classified data (that is 10% of the sample)

    I have seen comments that Obama and Clinton do not get along and he may have appointed her as secretary of State to “keep his enemies close” and to set her up for failure in this election cycle.

    I guess time will tell but it is fun to try and read the tea leaves.

  4. philjourdan says:

    Don’t be fooled by Jim Webb. He may be many things, but Strong is not one of them. He is an empty vessel that will be filled by whomever has his ear. He ran as a moderate, yet once in the Senate he was a complete toady to Harry Reid. If he has any ethics, he stole them from someone else. Or was told by his masters what they were.

    The Democrat side is light because there are none to speak of. Hillary has sucked all the oxygen out of that side. Others complain about Trump doing the same thing on the Republican side, yet we hear daily about the other candidates (some even showing some backbone – Huckabee being the latest). I doubt some of the minor candidates have a snowballs chance in hell (for clarification I count Kasich, Pataki, Gilmore, Graham as minor) of getting the nomination, as you correctly point out, there may be a “Perry” moment, so as long as they can hang in there, they may survive the initial winnowing. Let them. The more we have, the more chance we have of at least one getting it right.

    Hillary may be the chose one. She may not. But I do not think she has a snowball’s chance in hell of winning. She is just not trustworthy or likable.

  5. Gary says:

    If you want comic relief, study up on Lincoln Chafee. His big issues are the Bush administrations shouldn’t have waged war and let’s finally implement the metric system. Ran as a very liberal Republican for the Senate and then abandoned the party for Independent and then became a Democrat. The poor guy couldn’t even find clueless if it tripped over him.

  6. Richard Ilfeld says:

    I was tempted to make a flip comment, but this is serious.

    The American experiment with individual freedom has probably ended. Charles Murray’s series of books is pretty good documentation.

    Restoration would require unlikely events, though not impossible. We don’t really know how the modern welfare state meets its end. We have not yet had wealthy countries, with reasonable economies, and no remaining poverty (defined as a good percentage of the folks in subsistence agriculture and poor enough to suffer mass fatality from time to time) fail much.

    In the most fundamental sense, when a “rich” welfare state, where no one starves, no one goes without a roof and a semblance of civilization, fails, it is going bankrupt.

    When the state goes bankrupt, there are multiple claimants. The lenders get screwed. The welfare recipients get screwed. The small players in government get screwed, but get screwed less. The large players in government rigs things to retain as much power and goodies for themselves as possible, while pretending to get screwed. The private economy has been screwed for years to make the welfare state happen in the first place. And, ya got to screw a lot of people a whole bunch to escape the death spiral and start growing again. Very hard to do while government in chomping down on the seed corn.

    The myths you have sold through the state propaganda over the years have probably rendered the population mostly incapable of clear thought.

    So what happens? Greece, Argentina, Venezuala are nibbling around the edges.
    Detroit, Chicago, Puerto Rico, Illinois, California…..?????

    If electing the proper President could actually change the trajectory, it would be important.
    It has not been demonstrated,to my knowledge, that a large administrative welfare state can be shrunk, or even stabilized within a growing economy.

    This blog is one of the few places on earth where it is possible to speak the political incorrectnesses that are neccessary……

    A trend of population growth that reduced the cognitive average of the population is destructive.
    Society must find a place for workers who may not be able to “earn” their way economically, and reward pro-social behavior (as opposed to anti-social behavior). We are better off not adding to this population through immigration.

    A relatively free country can do the opposite (Canada).

    It is possible for political jurisdictions, like companies, to fail. We need a mechanism to fail them gracefully. As they reach the point where they are primarily valuable as a reliable block of votes paid for with tax dollars, they aren’t contributing positively.

    For generations, it has been the case the we have had workers move from the countryside to the cities, as work eroded in the country and grew in the cities.

    But politically, our cities are all Hotel California, and we put huge barriers into out-migration.
    When a company has not invested enough, has not followed its market well enough, has not ode its business well enough, it fails or is failed and it assets naturally redistribute elsewhere.
    Some economies treat failed companies with custodial policies. Our economy treats failed cities with custodial policies.

    We try to maintain many of our poor in locales with high cost of living and very low economic prospects, especially at the entry point of the economic ladder.

    The cost and methodology of providing the tools for an individual to escape, thus for a society to prosper, are not unknown. A strong moral compass, the ability to read and write standard English and do maths to the best of one’s abilities, some respect for law and tradition, and the means to follow opportunity wherever it may exist.

    The methodology for creating opportunity for a depressed population remain in place cannot be easily demonstrated; custodial care is an admission of failure.

    If taxing the successful and supporting the less successful on the scale we are doing so fails – it fails psychologically,not physically. “the poor” have food, shelter, basic care, and mostly color TV, Air Conditioning, Computers, and “stuff”. In terms of consumption, we have eradicated poverty.

    We have failed to make the “donors” and the recipients happy with the solution. A large group in society picks at the scab, because their rice bowl is to skim a bunch off the transfer payments.
    Guilt and anger are their stock in trade. As one of the few traditional agencies that achieved results is religion, they are virulently anti church. As another possible model is small town/community they are virulently anti dispersed populations in self-sustaining communities; the fabric of social organization must be entirely governmental.

    None of this is original. Is any of the Presidential candidates aware enough to clearly see the problem? And strong enough to work at it consistently for years, perhaps slowly turning the ship that has wandered so far off course. And electable?

    Or will we continue with our dichotomy of gated communities and custodial populations until it either blows up or sinks in a mountain of debt.

  7. Soronel Haetir says:

    Larry,

    From what I have read very few people like HRC as a person, so Obama not doing so is no great surprise.

  8. Graeme No.3 says:

    E.M.S.
    I know nought of these people but the name John Kasich has popped up in the Australian MSM twice in the past week. In The Australian but pay-walled. Normally even the frontrunners get little exposure at this stage of the USA electoral cycle.
    Unrelated, but The Australian has run a series of anti-wind turbine articles recently. It seems the tide is receding, except on South Australia where, if you follow JoNova, you will see the Premier continuing to be foolish. How wonderful to stay in Office with 47% of the vote!

  9. punmaster52 says:

    @Richard Ilfeld:
    Flippant is always my go to choice.

    Born to poverty, Kelso is no stranger to hard work.
    How did he get to be a Democrat then?

  10. Taya says:

    Hi, thanks for your article. I’ve been searching online for the same question – why aren’t we hearing from the other (democratic) candidates. I’d LOVE to hear from Harry Braun yet am finding next to no info on him…

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