On the debate last night, we once again heard that it was “not possible” to deport 11 Million illegal aliens.
No, I’m not going to call them “migrants” or “undocumented”. My mother had to register as a ‘resident alien’ for decades prior to going through the naturalization process. There is nothing wrong with accurate speech.
These are “aliens” as was my mother. They did not come here in accordance with our laws, so are here illegally. Get over it.
So just WHY is it “impossible”? Is the number just so large that we ought to ignore the law? Most people get speeding tickets, so is THAT number large enough to just throw out the traffic speeding laws?
( I’m all for that, BTW… ;-)
Lets look at some numbers. Assuming their 11 Million is correct.
Say we wanted to be done in one year. Working only on week days and with 2 weeks off at Christmas / New Years. (Yes, Christmas. It isn’t the “Winter holiday”. It was named by an act of Congress See: http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/12/congress-declared-christmas-to-be-a-legal-public-holiday-in-what-year-2777188.html )so again, ‘get over it’. )
Figure on 50 ‘work weeks’ of 5 days each. That’s 250 days.
11,000,000 / 250 = 44,000 per work day.
There are 50 States with at least 50 major cities (the Capitol if no where else). Yes, some States, like Alaska, are unlikely to have a lot of folks to deport, but for each of them, there is a place like California with a half dozen major cities. It is quite reasonable as a first approximation to use 50 cities as the departure point target.
44,000 / 50 = 880 per day per city.
The Boeing 767 is one of the most common aircraft. It has variable seating, but assuming we are not talking about a lot of luxury first class seating, and more like tourist class:
The Boeing 767 is a mid- to large-size, long-range, wide-body twin-engine jet airliner built by Boeing Commercial Airplanes. It was Boeing’s first wide-body twinjet and its first airliner with a two-crew glass cockpit. The aircraft has two turbofan engines, a conventional tail, and, for reduced aerodynamic drag, a supercritical wing design. Designed as a smaller wide-body airliner than earlier aircraft such as the 747, the 767 has seating capacity for 181 to 375 persons and a design range of 3,850 to 6,385 nautical miles (7,130 to 11,825 km), depending on variant.
So lets use a seating capacity of 300.
880 / 300 = 2.93 flights / day / city. Let’s just call it 3 not fully packed (someone will miss some flights, for sure).
Now at SFO (San Francisco) they have a 2 minute flight spacing at busy times. So we are talking about wedging in 6 minutes of flights. I’m certain that can be done, even if not at peak morning / evening rush.
Here are the flights to ONLY Mexico City from SFO today:
Details Departs Origin Arrives Destination Flight # Airline Aircraft Stops Total Flight Time View 11:30 SFO 21:11 MEX AA 2417 American Airlines 738 1 7hrs 41 mins View 13:05 SFO 19:20 MEX NZ 9821* Air New Zealand 320 0 4hrs 15 mins View 13:05 SFO 19:20 MEX NH 7368* All Nippon Airways 320 0 4hrs 15 mins View 13:05 SFO 19:20 MEX UA 821 United Airlines 320 0 4hrs 15 mins View 13:35 SFO 20:04 MEX AM 669 Aeromexico 7S8 0 4hrs 29 mins View 13:35 SFO 20:04 MEX DL 8001* Delta Air Lines 7S8 0 4hrs 29 mins View 23:01 SFO 05:30 MEX AM 665 Aeromexico 738 0 4hrs 29 mins View 23:01 SFO 05:30 MEX DL 8050* Delta Air Lines 738 0 4hrs 29 mins View 23:30 SFO 05:35 MEX NZ 9829* Air New Zealand 320 0 4hrs 5 mins View 23:30 SFO 05:35 MEX UA 412 United Airlines 320 0 4hrs 5 mins
10 5 of them.
UPDATE: Nick pointed out that 5 of these are ‘code shares’. See comments.
Somehow I don’t think they would find it all that hard to add a couple more.
But say they did.
Well, nothing at all prevents doing this process over 3 years. That way folks have more time to wind up affairs for those with things like houses to sell or kids to finish the school year.
Then it is down to just one flight per major city per day.
Frankly, that would be nearly impossible to detect in the mass of present air travel.
But Wait, there’s more!
But we don’t have to be limited to only the major airports and only the airlines, for that matter.
San Jose, California has flights to So.Cal. (Southern California: LAX, San Diego, Orange Co. etc.) leaving every few minutes. Often you can see the airplanes on the return trip lined up to the horizon, each spaced about 2 to 3 minutes behind the other. I’ve made that particular flight often.
Nothing at all would prevent having a few of them per day loaded with “Returning Home” folks. At the other end, a nice line of buses serves the whole area and can easily reach the border. Again, not a lot of added capacity needed.
There is also a nice set of rail lines from Seattle to San Diego and often a nearly empty Amtrak train is running around the country. While it has more ‘compliance’ issues in that folks might try jumping out of the train ( plane in flight not so much), it would be a reasonable alternative for folks who don’t like flying and are, for example, part of a family where the 4 year old is not going to make a flying leap.
Furthermore, if desired, folks could even get creative. Take all those school buses that are idle on weekends. For folks in places like Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and So. Cal. it would be pretty easy to just load them up and drive a few thousand over the border each weekend.
I’m not particularly advocating that this OUGHT to be done.
That’s a policy question.
I am pointing out that it is not at all a logistical problem to do.
We’ve had something like 4 million Syrians leave their country using “Shanks’ Mare” (as my Mum called it… walking).
So we also have an existence proof that you can move several million in just a few months with little other than shoes and rubber boats.
The point is simply that it can be done, fairly easily and simply, using our present stock of transport.
At the other end, Mexico has a huge travel and tourism industry. They are well equipped to land lots of airplanes (as those 5 flights from SFO alone indicates) and have a lot of local transport to move folks from the airports to various lodging places. But frankly, what they do with their Citizens is “not our problem”, really.
Anti-Racism Claims Rant
Oh, and for anyone who wants to try to paint this posting, or me, as “racist”:
1) Hispanic is NOT a race. Nor is Mexican.
2) According to US Law, I qualify as Hispanic. But that is really a bit of a stretch, though legally valid, IMHO.
3) From about 7? years old (maybe younger, it was way young…) the neighbor kid and I were very close friends. He had about 1/4 of his dinners at my house, and I had about 1/4 of mine at his house. They were a Mexican family and Papa didn’t speak English, near as I could tell. Mama had some, but would give orders to us kids in Spanish. I’ve been speaking Spanish ever since and have had something like 6 years of it in school. 2 in high school, but they started us off in grammar school in 5th grade. 5, 6, 7, 8 + freshman and sophomore. I have a great fondness for Mexicans and Mexico. And I grew up cooking and eating real Mexican food. Still make it about once a week.
4) My sisters have a mix of kids. One sister’s kid is part American Indian part Hispanic. The other married a Red Head of Scandinavian extraction, but their kids married Hispanics. I had not paid any attention to it and it was only after a few years that someone pointed out that “Rico” was Hispanic. Yes, I was that unaware. He was just a nice guy who was fun at family get togethers. In short, my family has not been in any way hesitant toward Hispanics.
5) I have a grandchild “on the way”. His Mama is Hispanic (Her Papa is from Puerto Rico). In short, my ‘clan’ is going to be significantly Hispanic. I’m very happy with this. (We could use a bit more ‘spice’ in our emotional tenor ;-) But simply put, my family is well on the way to being “mixed in” with the local Hispanics.
If anyone wants to somehow try to claim that I’m “racist” toward my own nieces, nephews and grandkids, I know a few choice Spanish swear words to apply…
What galls me about illegal aliens is exactly and only 2 things:
1) It is horridly unfair to those who follow the law.
2) I want my Mexican neighbors to come in through the Front Door, not forced to sneak in around the back door.
I was about 12 when I first realized “I was different”. The “Trucke Verde” was spotted a block away and a few “cousins” headed out the back door with my friend. I got up to head out with them. Mama said “Miquel Grande! You have no reason to run. Sit, the INS (pronounced Eee-Enn-Esse) is not after you.” While Papa had no immigration papers, he did have a retirement card from the Rail Road. Basically it showed he’d been here a very long time. The family story had him crossing the border on horseback with a Pancho Villa raid and then just staying… He was about 60 (mama was 40…) in the 1960s, but nobody was really sure exactly how old he was… But you did not argue with him… He looked the part, complete with mustache…
That event bothered me for a long time. I do NOT want others to live a life of fear. I want them to come in through the front door and be legal. Amnesty is NOT the solution, as that just breeds contempt for the law. Follow the law, and fix the legal immigration process. Then everyone can be comfortable. That is my ‘bias’. I’m biased toward the Rule Of Law. For everyone.