British MP Jo Cox Died After Shooting

From “Tips” here:

Larry Ledwick says:
16 June 2016 at 4:40 pm (Edit)

BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking 23m23 minutes ago
British MP Jo Cox dies after shooting and stabbing attack in her constituency in West Yorkshire

Would those of you in the UK please give a bit of background on her (ie) her positions and what the political policies are associated with this assassination?

I just note in passing that in Britain it is illegal to own a handgun and she was shot with one.

Discussion here rather than in tips, please.

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25 Responses to British MP Jo Cox Died After Shooting

  1. Adrian Camp says:

    She was Labour and with most of her party for Remain. The shooter is a man with mental issues, under therapy and taking meds. There is no indication that this is political or related to the referendum. This is a lone nutcase.

    The gun is illegal. So is shooting someone with it. He had and used a big knife too. I don’t know how he got the gun, but you can apparently buy them if you know the right person. Or make one from a deactivated or replica weapon. This is not as worrying as the authorities clearing that Mateen guy to buy one. How do you FAIL the checks?

    One thing it does bring out is that if he second amendment were repealed tomorrow there’d still be 300 million guns in the USA and nobody is going to turn them in.

  2. Ian W says:

    More information here:

    Labour MP Jo Cox has died after being shot three times in the street near her office by an attacker ‘who shouted Britain First then kicked her while she lay bleeding

    West Yorkshire MP was arriving at her local office when she was attacked by a man who wrestled her to the ground
    Attacker said to have shouted ‘Britain First’ as he kicked mother-of-two before shooting and repeatedly stabbing her
    53-year-old man, named locally as gardener Tommy Mair, was arrested at scene after armed police flooded the area
    Political leaders have now sent their thoughts to 41-year-old victim’s husband Brendan and their two young children
    Her husband Brendan posted moving picture of his wife and urged people to ‘fight against the hatred that killed her”

  3. Larry Ledwick says:

    Looks like this going to become a political club to use to beat the Brexit folks over the head.

  4. PhilJourdan says:

    Looks like idiots in Britain are no different than those in the states. Given the press is in the tank for Remain – did anyone think they would try to spin it any other way? It is virtually identical to the NY Crimes blaming Republicans for Orlando.

  5. Steve C says:

    It’s a filthy business, and how very, very convenient for the Remainders that the allegation instantly appears about the “Britain First” cry. False, apparently, but it’ll stick like sh!t to a blanket, they’ll make sure of that.

    I think we were all expecting the dirty tricks department to move in from the moment Leave pulled into the lead, but this is egregious even by their standards. This morning I dared feel some optimism for my country. This evening I fear that we may have lost it for ever, and on a lie as ever.

  6. TinyCO2 says:

    By the reports she might have been shot with a sawn off shot gun or something old. Shot guns aren’t illegal and some people retained their guns from before they were banned.

  7. Steve Crook says:

    @Steve C and Larry Ledwick

    Idiots will say whatever idiots say and it demonstrate that Twitter is probably best avoided (if it needed further proof) because of its high AQ. The majority of normal people aren’t making such associations. Officially, there’s been a halt to EU campaigning while those with something other than an air gap between their ears offer the family their condolences and pay tribute to a promising M.P.

    As far as the guns thing goes, who knows if the ban on the ownership of handguns has improved things or not. I think it’s fair to say it’s not made them worse…

  8. Adrian Camp says:

    Sometimes what appears to be a random crime committed by a lone nutter turns out to be just that. No Mossad, no KGB, no Mafia, no Brexiters, no ISIS just Tommy that bloke who does the gardening.

  9. PhilJourdan says:

    @Adrian Camp – and sometimes you sacrifice a pawn to gain an advantage.

  10. TinyCO2 says:

    PhilJourdan, we don’t have that kind of country. Dirty tricks = using £9 million sending out a lame booklet to every household and getting economists and celebs to tell us we’re screwed. I have few doubts that the Remain side will use this but nobody would plan it. The EU’s idea of persuasion will be sending Juncker to patronise us.

  11. Another Ian says:

    More here

    Seems doubt on any shouted slogans

  12. Steve C says:

    @PhilJourdan – Quite so. And strange how often your man turns out to be on the meds and/or “known to the authorities”.

    Apparently, FDR never did say “Nothing in politics happens by accident. If something happens, you can bet it was planned.” … but whoever did coin it was pretty much on the button. Cui bono, every time.

    Even if we do survive this manufactured sh!tstorm and get ourselves out, we’ll still be in a situation where the words “Hercules” and “Augean stables” will come in useful.

  13. PhilJourdan says:

    @TinyCO2 – We all would like to believe what you say of our native lands. However, given the reaction, I will not discount it. They were losing. They needed something. They got it. Some of us do not believe in coincidences.

  14. PhilJourdan says:

    What Steve C and maybe FDR said.

  15. TinyCO2 says:

    It’s got nothing to do with belief in my country, but belief in a lack of passion or cunning.

  16. PhilJourdan says:

    @Tiny – well the passion seems to be there (see Drudge Link), but I will defer to you on the cunning part.

  17. TinyCO2 says:

    Whar Drudge link?

    If you’re talking about the twitter comments, they don’t amount to real passion for the EU. Might be enought to bump off Farrage but not a tiny Labour MP. Very few people actually like the EU. The Remain campaign has all been about it being worse outside, not how great it is inside. There are promises that if we vote to stay we can change it from within. Not the attitude of passionate followers.

    And anyway, the Remain side didn’t think for a moment they’d lose until about a week ago. Bit hard to organise a plot in seven days. He’s just a nutter with a grievance.

  18. Paul, Somerset says:

    Conflicting eye-witness accounts, some describing an initial scuffle between Mair and another man in which the victim intervened. Mair also went on to attack a 77-year-old passer-by, which would be an odd thing to do if this were some sort of political act rather than the desperately sad action of an oddball.

    The Guardian’s account is good, because it purposefully reports the attacker’s words as “Britain first” (lower case) in order not to pre-judge any association with the tiny, lunatic-fringe Britain First grouping.

  19. Larry Ledwick says:

    If you want to know what a subsonic round sounds like as it goes by you, view this movie.

    Most modern battle rifle cartridges make the subsonic transition somewhere near or just beyond 800 – 900 yards. Closer than that, if you are down range as the bullet passes by, you hear a sharp sonic snap, (much like a bullwhip cracking) but much sharper and not as loud, and you can barely detect the fact it is two snaps, then a fraction of a second later (depending on how far down range) you hear a dull thump which is the attenuated muzzle blast at distance. The space between those two sounds gives you a clue about how far away the shooter is. If the muzzle report is a sharp bang and almost on top of the snap, the shooter is closer than 200 yards or so.

    The 168 grain .308 match round makes the subsonic transition just pass 1000 yards (velocity at 1000 yards 1170 ft/sec)

    The 148 grain FMJBT round for military NATO 7.62 M-80 ball has a time of flight to 600 yards of about 0.9 seconds and makes the subsonic transition just past 900 yards (velocity at 900 yards 1147 ft/sec)

    The AR-15 round 5.56 M-855 ball round makes the subsonic transition just past 800 yards (velocity at 800 yards 1191 ft/sec)

    Beyond those transition ranges, the sound of the bullet changes from the characteristic supersonic crack to an “angry insect buzz or Wrrrrrr sound.

    In short at all reasonable engagement ranges, you will probably hear the sonic snap and if under about 500 – 600 yards the dull thump of the muzzle blast minus its high frequency components due to distance.

    That is why silenced weapons are usually used with special subsonic loads that travel just below the speed of sound as they leave the muzzle.

  20. Adrian Camp says:

    A conspiracy or setup just will not scan. She wasn’t well-known, not a national figure. The murderer was in his own backyard, he didn’t travel to get where she was. She is said to have intervened in a fracas he was having with somebody else. He is a nutcase who has survived and is in police hands, there is no Jack Ruby to shut him up, so far.

  21. John Silver says:

    Never been a more obvious false flag operation.
    The result in the end will convince you if you have doubts.
    Wanna bet?

  22. omanuel says:

    If you want to awaken all of humanity, then awaken all of yourself:

    If you want to eliminate the suffering of the world, then eliminate all that is dark and negative in yourself.

    Truly the greatest gift you have to give is that of your own self-transformation.
    – Lao Tzu

  23. Steve Crook says:

    @Paul, Somerset
    This Guardian article clearly lays the blame at the feet of those who have been complaining about uncontrolled immigration. It even talks about a “a slide from civilisation into barbarism”.

    The idea of the Guardian not ‘pre judging anything’ is laughable. In any other world this sort of article would be roundly condemned as trying to make political capital out of a murder.

  24. Paul, Somerset says:

    @Steve Crook:

    That’s not the article to which I linked. I quoted a news report which I found fair and non-judgmental, with you’re quoting an opinion piece, from the same paper, with which you don’t agree.
    I don’t see how one can be used to condemn the other.

  25. Arrin says:

    All the world is a stage, and all the men and women merely players. Well, in the context of the media, this is most certainly true. And then I read John Rappoports blog who laid out a most interesting narrative, I felt a tinge of truth to the underlying theme. Thanks for facilitating the discussion and allowing me to voice my opinion. Infinitely more than can be said of the controlled media.

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