Laugh or Cry?- And Then They Came For The Kettle…

As the BrExit war heats up in the final run to the finish line, one news program here mentioned that the E.U. was banning the Electric Tea Kettle and that was as likely to drive the vote as anything financial.

What? I thought… Ban the kettle?! Have these folks no brain at all?
Never, ever, under any circumstance, mess with a Brits tea!

First off, do realize that the U.S.A. exists because King George messed with the tea tax. The “Americans” who tossed the tea in Boston Harbor were at the time of said tossing British Subjects. It was “messing with a Brits Tea” that got the whole fuss started in the first place. Had old King George left well enough alone and let us continue drinking tea in peace, we’d be saluting the Union Jack to this day. ( IMHO, of course.)

Sidebar on W.W.II: I have no idea if this is an apocryphal story or true. Told to me by my wife’s Dad, who was in W.W.II (USA Airborn, British liaison on D-Day to the Glider Corp and entered with them) and as an officer was not known for telling ‘whoppers’. The story goes that traditionally shelling stopped at tea time. IIRC, the setting was N. Africa. At tea, some Germans had the nerve to commence shelling and interrupted tea. Very uncivilized. The enraged Brits, advanced on the Germans until the source of the irritant was dispatched. Then resumed tea. It is a very bad idea it interrupt tea.

Now this? The E.U., blind to history, is going to mess with British tea?

A more astounding level of stupidity is hard to imagine…. so I checked.

EU to ban high-energy hair dryers, smartphones and kettles

By Bruno Waterfield, and Emily Gosden

3:01PM BST 28 Aug 2014

The European Union is considering pulling the plug on high-wattage hair dryers, lawn mowers and electric kettles in a follow up to its controversial ban on powerful vacuum cleaners.
A study ordered by the European Commission, currently in draft form, has identified up to 30 electrical appliances including lawn mowers, smart phones and kettles that could be covered by the EU’s Ecodesign directive outlawing high-wattage devices.

Günther Oettinger, the German EU energy commissioner, said that legislation preventing consumers from buying high-wattage appliances was necessary to fight climate change.

“We haven’t got round to these devices yet, we want curb power consumption,” he told Bild newspaper. “All EU countries agree that energy efficiency is the most effective method to reduce energy consumption and dependence on imports and to improve the climate. Therefore there needs to be mandatory consumption limits for small electrical appliances.”

The proposals will be a controversial flagship policy for Jean-Claude Juncker when he takes power as commission president in November in order to meet a binding target for energy savings of 30 per cent across the EU by 2030.

Clearly they have zero clue about physics. To boil a cup of water takes a specific number of watt-hours (or joules) of energy. Can’t change it. Might as well try to legislate the value of pi. Now a “high power” kettle will get their quickly, and a low power one very slowly. Which is more efficient? As the hot kettle constantly leaks heat to the environment, the fastest kettle is always the most efficient. It’s physics, folks.

I’ve tested this, indirectly. I was using a kettle on a camp stove for a while (don’t need to leave my desk to make tea. Not that I’m compulsive about tea… but Mum was a Brit ;-) On a slow camp stove, fuel consumption was significantly higher. On my fastest stove, fuel was much more efficiently used, simply because waste heat is minimized then.

So first clear “Strike One” is just being so incredibly stupid as to confound wattage with efficiency.

Second clear “Strike Two” is not knowing enough about heat flow to realize most rapid heating is most efficient. For maximum efficiency, make it the highest wattage possible. Their behaviour is backassward to reality.

Third clear “Strike Three” is fooling around with a Brits Tea. That is just suicidal! IF they have proceeded with this, I predict the demise of the E.U. in about 3 years (or however long it took the U.S.A. to stop being British and get their tea back as American Tea…)

But Wait! The Millennials!!

Then they compound it with an attack on the Smartphone?

Have they no love of their own life? An entire generation of Millennials lives in their Smartphone. To expect to think you can tell them they can’t have the smartphone they want is to invite Holy Hacker Jihad on your computers!

My God Man, have you no fear? Even the Pakistanis and Indians will be after you for this one. No computer will be safe. You will have nowhere to hide (your secret data). Customer Support, once they see the call is from Brussels, will suddenly lose their Queen’s English and revert to the most severe Hyderabad accent. Your curry will arrive at table cold, and bland. Oh, the humanity!

I fear for the safety of all in Brussels should they proceed with this.

For their own safety, Britain must secede from the E.U., and fast. For the peace of all, vote Brexit now! To do otherwise is to risk civil war, the collapse of nations, revolution and the complete collapse of the internet and computing (at least in Brussels) not to mention cold bland curry.

A worse fate can not be imagined.

(Though many in power and the media are trying very very hard to drum up something greater than Y2k as a Brexit FUD).

So please remember tomorrow to vote to save the Kettle, and the world as we know it. It all depends on you now. Chose wisely: Vote to Save The Kettle!

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57 Responses to Laugh or Cry?- And Then They Came For The Kettle…

  1. Jason Calley says:

    It is in the nature of centralized power to command stupid things be done. Why? Because centralized power attracts people who have a lust for great power — and the hag ridden power addicts will fight the hardest to get that power. So why don’t the people who finally gain power use it wisely instead of stupidly? Because they have to KNOW that they have power; they have to convince themselves that they have power. What good does it do a power junkie to order people to do something that the people already want to do? THAT’S not power! REAL power is ordering someone to do what they do NOT want to do, and then seeing them obey. Power junkies don’t care about whether they are doing something good for everyone. It is only by issuing painful orders that they KNOW they are powerful.

  2. omanuel says:

    May BrExit succeed so seventy years of one-world government deception starts to collapse!

  3. omanuel says:

    May BrExit succeed and initiate the collapse of seventy years of one-world government deceit!

  4. omanuel says:

    A seemingly small error in Dr. Carl von Weizsacker’s definition of nuclear binding energy:

    1. Deprived humanity of Aston’s 1922 promise of powers beyond the dreams of scientific fiction for more than ninety years, and

    2. Delayed acceptance of Kuroda’s 1945 insight into the explosive, atomic-bomb-like beginning of the world for more than seventy years:

    Click to access The_Beginning_of_the_World.pdf

  5. gareth says:

    Yes, and they are banning halogen spotlights later this year…

    Re Brexit: On the eve of this referendum and have a couple of good posts.

    And a comment from a UK pleb: This is supposed to be a referendum: the government refers the question back to the Demos (“The People”) for their decision. Since the off we have been subject to a massive FUD campaign with the Government telling us the “correct” way to vote: “Remain”. There has been a huge imbalance in what has been spent by the Remain side, with all the government support, all the great-n-good, the BBC, Obama, Goldman Sachs “The Vampire Squid”, George Soros, etc…

    And, on the Leave side, a pretty pathetic, lie-ridden, fact-free campaign by a bunch of “Westminster Bubble” blow-ins. No “Demos” voice in the media – they might spoil the narrative. We are just told that only “Xenaphobes”, “Racists”, “Little-Englanders” and other types too stupid to know differently would vote Leave.

    Amazingly, the ordinary people in this benighted land look like they might just ignore what their dear leaders are telling them and vote to Leave this failing, anti-democratic, bureaucratic, would-be-supranational-overlord. It’s currently too close to call. We’ll see soon enough.

    Tomorrow is St. John’s Eve – the midsummer festival and the lighting of beacons in European lands from the Arctic to the Mediterranean, from the Atlantic to the Urals and the Bosphorus. I hope that enough of my fellow citizens will join with me in lighting a beacon for freedom by voting Leave that we may carry the day.

    And we will then hope that we are not just told to vote again until we get the right answer (like the Irish) or (as there is a large Remain majority in Parliament), simply ignored.

    Interesting times.

  6. The more likely reason for the limitation of kettle power is to reduce the peaking on the power stations when the adverts come on in Coronation Street (substitute whatever soap is on TV). For the States the equivalent would be the intervals in Superbowl. Renewable power will need battery backing for such peaking, so reducing the peaking needed will reduce the costs involved. In the UK they use a TV guide (in fact the Radio Times) to decide when the hydroelectric power needs to be turned on.

    Kettles used to be 2.2kW, and these days they can’t be found but instead 1.7kW is the maximum available. OK if you only want to make one cup, but the delay gets noticeable when the family visits and Tea is urgently required. Still, I already have a spare 1.7kW one in the cupboard for when the directive starts to bite. I also have a real kettle to put on the gas….

    Some things you shouldn’t mess with.

  7. Bill S says:

    Young and naive. I once offered to wash out my aunts teapot with soap. My father heard me from the living room. Got there before my aunt could pull out her butcher knife, but it was still a near thing.

  8. philjourdan says:

    Ok, in a “slight” (very slight) defense of the idiots, the more efficient tea kettle will allow a prolonged use (heating more water than the slow one), so it could encourage the users to drink more tea, thus using more energy, thus causing global warming faster. Which will result in more mountain lions attacking people, more bears mauling citizens, and more gators obtaining a late night snack.

    And humanity was plunked down on this planet fully clothed never having to wage battle with the other fauna before in history – according to Alarmists.

  9. omanuel says:

    A new world consensus is forming: A HIGHER POWER CONTROLS THE FUTURE, higher even than egos of the most powerful world leaders and well-paid consensus scientists!

  10. Steve C says:

    Gareth is right. The entire referendum campaign has resembled farce more than serious politics, more a parade of giggling Tories squabbling with one another than anything resembling proper discussion of the issue. Cameron and the Remainders have barefacedly cheated in so many ways it’s hard to remember them all …
    there was the first government leaflet in January (before campaigning had even kicked off) recommending remaining (thereby doubling the number of “remain” leaflets compared with “leave” leaflets we received);
    there was the endless parade of talking heads of the economists and EU/HMG funded NGOs all predicting doom should we leave;
    there was the “convenient” collapse of the electoral registration computer, followed by two days of illegitimate registrations in which 400,000+ voters registered as Remain pumped up the hype;
    there was the sickening pouncing on the suspiciously convenient death of Jo Cox and her killer’s “obviously Brexit related” cry just as Leave surged in front in the polls;
    there was the interruption of campaigning for half the final week while they hyped up the death even more … the list goes on and on and on.

    With reference to that last point I mentioned, I was reminded by one of the MSM this morning that when senior MP and war hero Airey Neave was blown up by real terrorists in 1979 in his car in the House of Commons car park FFS, Parliamentary business was suspended for 15 minutes for Members to pay their respects, while the life of the country was not impacted at all. But now a junior backbench MP who supported Remain gets three days of hourly praise on the BBC while campaigning is “suspended”. How. Very. Convenient.

    But like Gareth, I dare hope. Most ordinary people are scathing about the EU most of the time, and there is a real possibility that we might prevail. Whether we can deliver a majority too large for the Daddies of Lying Cheating Bastards to steal back remains to be seen.

    And the fact that I, living in the land of the Mother of Parliaments, positively expect the government to steal the referendum says all that needs saying about the health and democratic accountability of the UK.

    Ora pro nobis.

  11. Steve C – did you notice that, despite all the hype, this referendum is only “advisory” and not binding on the government anyway.

    The amusing (black humour, of course) point about your expectations of the UK government cheating on the referendum is that maybe the overt dishonesty and unnaccountability of the Eurocrats might be the lesser of the two evils.

    Everybody knows that the dice are loaded (Leonard Cohen).

  12. Larry Ledwick says:

    Looks like all the U.S. stocks are closing up about 1.3-1.6% at this hour after being flat all day.
    Good luck on your attempt to escape the sticky web of the globalist spiders.

  13. Larry Ledwick says:

    Well it is 03:55 in the morning in London and Leave is leading by 52%

    The Associated Press ‏@AP 1 minute ago
    With half of UK voting districts reporting official results, “leave EU” campaign has 52 percent of the vote.

    Approximately have the voting locations have reported results at this point. Results started out with a slight lead for Remain (probably coming from the cities which typically report first) but as the count has dragged on, Leave is slowly overtaking as I suspect the more rural and distant areas start to report results. This one is going down to the wire it looks like.

  14. p.g.sharrow says:

    It would appear that an uproar has been started in the salons of power across the world. The markets around the world have gone crazy. What the heck! This British referendum is nothing but a sense of the people vote and nothing else. Nothing solid will happen for some time and the government can Ignore it all together. This is a good start at informing the politicians that the people are sick and tired of over reaching Bureaucratic dictatorships. We don’t need Them!…pg

  15. John F. Hultquist says:

    England’s issues with its colonial subjects began before the tea kerfuffle. One that I’ve often found interesting is the King’s Mark on the tall Eastern White Pines:'s%20Mark%20Why%20The%20Name%20King's%20Mark.htm

    I guess I am more interested in trees than tea. However, the Clipper Ships carried tea and spices. So never mind. Back to my room.

    E.M. makes a passing comment: “ Might as well try to legislate the value of pi.
    For those not familiar with this, see:

  16. gallopingcamel says:

    As usual p.g. is right:
    “This is a good start at informing the politicians that the people are sick and tired of over reaching Bureaucratic dictatorships. We don’t need Them!”

    Britain and the Netherlands have noticed that unelected elites are controlling our lives. Sadly that is true in many other countries including the USA where the “Donor Class” rules.

    Newt Gingrich is a scholar who while visiting Hungary pointed out how foolish the Bushes and Romneys will look if they show up at the GOP convention and oppose the will of 13 million primary voters. As p.g. says “We don’t need Them!”

    Newt also notes that Trump style populism is on the rise in Italy and Austria.

  17. Larry Ledwick says:

    I think Michael Snyder will have to update these charts in the next couple days and they are only a week old.

  18. Larry Ledwick says:

    BBC just called it a win for Brexit 52% to 48%

  19. gallopingcamel says:

    I find it hard to believe that Hillary Clinton will get roughly 50% of the votes in the general election on November 8.

    When the Clintons left the White House they were broke to the point that they had to steal the furniture yet today they are seriously wealthy thanks to influence peddling. Banks paying $245,000 for a 20 minute speech may be legal but we all know it is influence peddling.

    Foreign nations paying hundreds of millions of dollars into the “Clinton Foundation” is indefensible but don’t expect the Clinton’s to return any of the money. Did those foreign nations think the Clinton’s would do good works like the Salvation Army or the Red Cross? No, they were paying to ensure that Hillary would ignore the fact that many of the donor nations execute gays and force women to “Cover”. I lived in Pakistan so I know what a burqa looks like.

    Hillary is a horrible candidate yet she will get ~50% of the vote because she is a Democrat. Democrats have a built in advantage because they can count on New York, New Jersey, California, and several other states.

    This time it may not matter as the little people have had enough of dynasties running the country for the benefit of themselves and their cronies. My hope is that the GOP will become the “Worker’s Party” as Trump has suggested. Such a party would respect voters more than corrupt party elites. While it would still not be real democracy it would be much better than what we have today.

    The fairest system for electing our leaders would be similar to the way juries are selected. No time or money would be wasted on elections and our rulers would resemble the general public rather than a convention of lawyers.

  20. E.M.Smith says:

    Sky News and ITV have also called it.

    Circuit breakers halted S&P futures briefly.

    The market panic moves are computer algo driven nonsense. I’m not trading until it settles out.

    Britain is STILL in the EU and will be for a year or two. Laws won’t change, nor trade patterns for a long time. Ignore the hype.

    The only real thing will be some slimy gnomes like Soros shorting £ & € hard, that makes ¥ & $ look more expensive so in theory our businesses can’t sell as easily, thus the stock markets down hard in Japan and USA. In a few days when the currency manipulation is over, things will go back to normal, and the stock market volatility will end.

    Just ride it out. A bunch of slimy weasels manipulating the game is all. Reality is a 2 year slow change of paint drying…

    My guess is about mid Monday or Tuesday time to buy, but I’m going to run some charts first…

  21. Steve C says:

    Wow, that was the best night’s sleep I ever had.

    At 06:00 GMT, 17.1M votes ‘Out’, 15.9M ‘In’. We have put Them on notice despite all the trickery. Simon – Yes, it may not be binding, but I think there’s enough will in the country to make it v-e-r-y hard for Them to prevaricate. ;-D

    There’s another interesting angle in all this, which doesn’t get a lot of mention. Back in the 70s, an ex-policeman, Albert Burgess, found what should have been a fatal flaw in the story. The basic argument is very simple:
    1. The Bill of Rights 1689 defines the structure of parliament, people and monarch in the UK. It specifies that no change may be made in that structure unless previously agreed in a referendum of the electorate.
    2. No such referendum was held prior to Edward Heath ‘taking us in’.
    3. Therefore, in English law, the UK is not in the EU.
    Hmmm …

    Right. More caffeine, then off for a bit of dancing in the streets.

  22. E.M.Smith says:

    Prime Minister just affirmed the need to respect the vote and announced his resignation in 3 months so that a P.M. more dedicated to the process can carry it through.

    Looks like the order of the day is to respect the vote.

  23. Mike says:

    They left the left!

    In oz there was also only one sided news of this. On line had some alternative information such as

    Which is why they want to nobble the inet :)

    Hang in there there are lots like u

  24. E.M.Smith says: 24 June 2016 at 5:39 am
    “Sky News and ITV have also called it. Circuit breakers halted S&P futures briefly. The market panic moves are computer algo driven nonsense. I’m not trading until it settles out.”

    Move cautiously where things come apart! Been reading your stuff at tallblokes! TEXIT? Why even consider? Texas is not even an actual US state! Texas applied to be recognized before the Louisiana purchase by the US of 1,000,000 square miles of surface area from the claimant FRANCE for US $15/sq-mile! 990,000 sq-mile of that had never even been traversed by any FRENCH individual. The US first citizens owned, cultivated, and preserved all of that, and only got intentionally murdered by the US government takeover! If this were ever to be adjudicated by international court, the whole surviving individual American Indian nations would now possess 92% of all global wealth! The rest of us can try to survive, but always hang head in shame. I would be very interested in your learned consideration in opposition.
    All the best! -will- (I know SHIT HAPPENS!)

  25. Larry Ledwick says:

    Now we wait to see how the Bureaucracy back lash plays out. The Brits just took away the cookie jar for about a million self serving leaches, and unleashed similar exit movements in other countries. It could be a bumpy ride for the next few years.

    So far I have not seen any official Russian reaction to Brexit vote, how ever Snoden posted this on twitter. Since he is now a captive of the Russian intelligence apparatus, it is interesting that his quote is so non-committal and “indeterminate”. Depending on your personal bias you could see it supporting both sides in the Brexit vote.

    Edward Snowden Verified account
    No matter the outcome, #Brexit polls demonstrate how quickly half of any population can be convinced to vote against itself. Quite a lesson.

  26. philjourdan says:

    This British referendum is nothing but a sense of the people vote and nothing else.

    @P.G. – But that is the anathema to them! People deciding for themselves? They cannot have that! Watch for things to get very ugly very fast. As the useful idiots of Europe start attacking the “people” who want a say in their own lives. More so than just the ugly words being used to date.

  27. philjourdan says:

    S&P Futures Halted Limit Down As VIX Spikes Above 26

    @Larry – Watch as the democrats here now blame all the ills they have caused over the past 8 years on Brexit.

  28. Larry Ledwick says:

    @Philjourdan Probably true! No matter who gets elected this November, our economy (and possibly the entire industrial developed world’s economy) is going into recession. All the important leading indicators are flashing red and we are probably already in depression but no one has noticed yet.
    The current administration will own it if they can’t find some scapegoat to pin it on. Since the Democrats specialize in blaming their policy failures on others, that would be the expected outcome.

  29. Larry Ledwick says:

    Looks like this is only the beginning as signs appear of a Brexit Contagion developing in other countries.

  30. Steve C says:

    Another interesting fault line that has developed is that between the countries of the UK. England (except London) and Wales voted very healthily Out, but every voting area in Scotland voted Remain, as did the Six Counties of Northern Ireland. (Eire, of course, is not affected.)

    Given the strong geographic and social links between N. Ireland and the West coast of Scotland (the NI Protestants are basically migrated Scots), there would seem to be some sort of case to be made for Ireland re-uniting and, with Scotland, remaining in the EU as a ‘Celtic Fringe’. England and Wales would, meanwhile, go about our own business free from one layer, at least, of antidemocratic drones.

    OK, there’s a century’s brutal ‘history’ between the Protestants and Catholics in NI, but yesterday’s vote suggests that they have more outlook in common than they thought. I wouldn’t fancy trying to sort out the details, but to my eye the only really sad loss in some such scheme would be the loss of the Union flag, which I still reckon is one of the prettiest flags there is.

  31. Ian W says:

    Steve C says: 24 June 2016 at 12:06 pm
    The thing to take from the Scottish vote is that the Scots and the SNP in particular do not want independence they want to be the North Sea Region of the EU.. All this singing ‘The Flow’r O Scotland’ is very romantic but they should really be learning Ludwig Van Beethoven’s “Ode to Joy”. (Not so easy to sing after a couple of pints o’Heavy). Scotland’s problem is that it is part of the UK, it would need to become independent then ask for accession and it doesn’t qualify as it would be joining already in the position of Greece. Not only that of course but the EU may well do as you suggest and hive off the Celtic from the Pictish part of Scotland and add South West Scotland to Northern Ireland. The Orkney’s and Shetland plus Caithness and Sutherland, the old ‘Kingdom of Cait’ despite the vote yesterday, have already said that if Scotland were to try to be ‘independent’ then they would secede from Scotland (They were separate countries in the past) and they would wish to accede to Norway. This would take much of the fishing and some of the oil away from a slowly diminishing Scotland that already is unable to support itself. In short it would not work. It would be like moving the Oder Niesser line to give more German land to Poland – or giving Alsace back to Germany.

    Unfortunately, the Europhiles in the UK governments over the last 40 years have been assisting in the engrenage of the EUrocrats and slowly removing the independent parts of UK and trying to sell assets into Europe (Spanish railways owns London Airport for example). Extracting UK from the EU will be like trying to unassimilate from the Borg. Brexit was one step the real work begins now.

  32. Tony Hansen says:

    If this was going to be so bad for the Brits I thought it might have shown up in the FTSE.
    But now (my time) the FTSE is down 4.4%, CAC down 8.7% & DAX down 7.1%.
    Is this a sign ( admittedly very early) that the Euro needs the Brit more than the Brit needs the Euro?

  33. p.g.sharrow says:

    As we progress into the new era it is important to heap blame for societies ills on over reaching socialist bureaucratic drones. They must not be allowed to rewrite history and claim that the solution to problems that they have caused is more money and power be acceded to them. Strong government is the problem, not the solution.
    We don’t need them…pg

  34. vigilantfish says:

    Someone wrote above about a great night’s sleep. I had a terrible night in terms of sleep because I stayed up to monitor the results via the Daily Mail and the Telegraph, with a rising sense of euphoria. I hope this portends the beginning of the end of political correctness. The remain side’s vile accusations of hatred and xenophobia as motivating Brexit supporters finally did not cower the majority. I’ll wager also that there were not a small portion of those who voted to remain who were swayed by this hateful and uninformed bullying, and are secretly relieved that Brexit won!

    I’ll raise a cup of tea to freedom! Congratulations, Great Britain!

  35. p.g.sharrow says:

    @vigilantfish; Perhaps now Britain can become Great again. The Anglo- American Empire will be renewed. Britain may be near the Continent but is not a part of it. The attempt to subjugate Britain to European control is, Failed again! Great Britain is a nation of the Sea People. The sea is where her power originates. Trade, commerce with all the nations of the world. A World Power…pg

  36. E.M.Smith says:


    Adjudicated by international court? Um, this is America. Our constitution recognizes only one Supreme Court. Ours. BTW, Texas was an independant Republic Of Texas prior to union, so that legal entity has standing in law. Similar thing with California where it has been Spanish, Russian, French, and for about 9 years Mexican. Then had a revolt to form The Bear Flag Republic (that flag still flying over the State). So any “comming apart” would be to our founding Republics that still exist as the objects of union.

    Per TEXIT: I’m just “channeling Texan” for illustration only. The odds on it are near zero. Like I said before, Texas won’t exit as they couldn’t handle the 200,000,000 new residents flooding in from the rump of the USA…

  37. E.M.Smith says:


    As I have 4 generations of HMS Merchant Marine sailors on Mum’s side, I agree that the fate of Britain has always depended on the sea.

    @Tony Hansen:

    It is worse for the EU. The UK is now free to flower and grow, the EU is headed to more strife, navel gazing, and infighting; potentially disassembling.

    As the UK breaks loose, it can do more.

    @per Celts topic:

    Folks dependent on welfare will follow the food bowl. That Celts are doing that in Scotland just reflects their history of nobles selling out to kings for lucre. Scots folk can do better than their ‘leaders’.

    North Ireland ought to decide: Are they Irish, Scots, or part of the UK unique? Then align accordingly.

    In full disclosure: I qualify for UK citizenship via English Mum. My spouse has dual US Irish citizenship, and English grandparent. My fathers side great grandparents came from Ireland via sail in the potato famine. I think that makes me fairly unbiased, being on all sides…

    Were I Benevolent Dictator, I’d join Ireland, North Ireland, and Scotland as Gaeltacht Republic, part of the UK. (with option for Cornwall and Wales to merge if they desired… Isle of Man too. I’d include Brittany Coast of France and Galicia celt areas of Spain and Portugal, were it not for the political effects and that those areas are extinguishing their language and culture).

    Essentially recognize the Celt vs Germanic / Viking basic divide as two equal halves of the UK.

    But I’m not, so they won’t.

    (It would also be fun to merge Appalachia and Nova Scotia too, if feeling puckish :-)

  38. Steve C says:

    To return to the thread topic, then, it looks like our kettles are safe for now. I feel such a fool. I picked up a 3kW one only the other week in readiness for when my present 2kW one decides it’s had enough … ;-)

  39. Larry Ledwick says:

    Looking at the numbers it appears that the Leave vote was driven mostly by older voters who live outside the core cities. Folks who remember Britain before the EU. The younger voters largely have no clue what a self governing nation was like because they have never lived in one, so voted for the “progressive” “modern” globalist view out of ignorance and herd instinct rather than critical evaluation of the benefits of each.

    On our own side of the pond we are also beginning to see small efforts to strangle the monster of big government in its crib if possible with measures such as the proposed Balance of Power Restoration Act. I hope it also includes a provision where congress can review agency regulations after they are submitted and claw back authority it never intended to transfer to unelected bureaucrats.

    In my view all agency regulations should be open for periodic review and re-authorization actions rather than becoming carved in stone, something like an automatic sun set provision where the agency had to review and reauthorize major regulations every 5 years or so with required comment periods on the efficacy of those regulations.

  40. Soronel Haetir says:

    There’s a reason they are called “euro-peons”, and for lots of them you can say “ur a peon” and not be far from the mark.

  41. Another Ian says:

    From several comments at

    Brexit to be followed by Grexit. Departugal. Italeave. Fruckoff. Czechout. Oustria. Finish. Slovakout. Latervia. Byegium, Swexit, Polapse

  42. philjourdan says:

    I like Departugal the best. The problem with the rest of them is they ARE dependent upon the EU. Germany and the UK were the banks for them. Germany will not last long unless it tightens its purse and that will send all of those scurrying, and failing.

  43. jim2 says:

    Greece can pull out and either default or let its currency fall or both. A cheap Drachma would be good for tourism. It would be a start at least.

  44. Paul, Somerset says:

    Would US readers please beware of all the maps painting Northern Ireland as entirely “Remain”. They are incorrect. The border areas and a couple of parts of Belfast voted that way. The areas such as Antrim closest to Scotland were solidly “Leave”.
    There was no mandate for any unification with the Republic of Ireland, Scotland or anywhere else, and as someone old enough to remember the misery caused by those arguing over that cause in the past, I’d be grateful for it not to be promoted again.

  45. Soronel Haetir says:

    Regarding the OP, why would anyone care about smart phones, my quick search indicates that the iPhone 6 is pretty much at the high end of consumption and uses 12W. If you are going to care about 12W you might as well go full North Korea where it is Earth Hour every night.

  46. E.M.Smith says:

    @Paul, Somerset:

    Very interesting that the real map differs from the mass news map…

    Per N.Ireland: Do you really think me pining for a Greater Celtland as part of the UK is risky?

    I thought that was over now. I remember the time of troubles too… but thought it resolved now. Does it still simmer?

    In any case, on news tonight is the list of nations announcing their own request for a referendum. Including France, Netherlands, Italy, Greece, Spain and maybe a couple of more I’ve forgotten. It seems UK has illuminated the exit door and a queue is forming… shortly there may be no EU for Scotland to pine after…

    It is startinv to look like an authoritarian jump the shark moment by the EU….

  47. E.M.Smith says:


    You are asking a Mu question due to belief in the premise. Ask instead who in the EU making a 10 W or less phone would benefit by a ban on the Apple… and do they have friends in power needing a new car or villa?

  48. Paul, Somerset says:

    Re sectarian simmerings – oh, they are still very much there. Sinn Fein, the political wing of the IRA, immediately jumped at the chance to bring them back to the foreground:
    Aside from opportunistic politicians with terrorist backgrounds such as Martin McGuinness, you just need to visit Glasgow, over the water in Scotland, when Celtic play Rangers at football. You’ll see the the Irish tricolours of the catholic Celtic fans, the Union flags of the protestant Rangers fans, as well as the traditional “appeals for calm” on the morning of the game, followed by a an encounter as feisty off the pitch as on it.

    For years it’s been contained, and if the conditions which have enabled that need tweaking, then let the participants on the ground deal with it. I’m just wary of any kind of pressure being applied or flames being inadvertently fanned by those who may not be aware of how delicate and nuanced the process is which brought us the current peace.

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