An Interesting POV on “solidarity”

I’ve often thought it a bit daft that folks would all hug and wave candles together after some tragic event, instead of actually doing something about it. Along with things like “walk to cure cancer” where a few hundred (or thousand…) potentially productive work-hours are wasted by having a troupe of people walk in circles for hours… (Yes, I’ve done it. Once. The spouse or kid or their friends roped me into it… did get a free soda though ;-)

Looks like I’m not alone…

Has an interesting anti-multi-culturalism rant. Being rather fond of languages I’m not keen on his wanting to pitch the Celtic languages from the UK, but they are dying on their own already… Still, having ONE official common language works a heck of a lot better than the exponential growth of translation tables E.U. approach. (What are they up to now, 28 x 28 translation pairs?)

An Excerpt or two:

Red, white and blue Floodlights and lighting on buildings across the world? Candles in the bloody wind? Holding hands? What on earth for? The dead as they lie scattered or shattered on the pavements and tarmac streets of Nice?
Instead of raiding known nests of bloody jihadis, or bringing back the guillotine for terrorist treason; they form committees, light ’effing candles, and hold bloody hands!

Maybe it’s an Aspe thing. Or maybe it is just that having spent a 1/2 Century making and fixing things, I’m just focused on actual productive actions and not “symbolic” ones. “Symbolic of WHAT? Being ‘supportive’ of dead bodies strewn down the road?” comes to mind. So I find the ‘call to action’ aspect attractive, since I fundamentally prefer actions with results other than just emotional masturbation…

He then lists a set of actions. I can’t endorse all of them. Some have practical issues, like banning clothing that endorses a religion… We have that in California in the form of banning “Gang Colors” at school. Blue, Red, and who knows what. So everyone ends up wearing green and gray…and your kid gets sent home from school (while you are at work) because some petty functionary can’t decide if turquoise is green or blue… Just daft. Then they had to make an exception for “blue jeans”… Having an entire government bureau devoted to dictating clothing will just not work.

But that said, much of the list is just “UNdo what the Saudi / Muslim Push has done”:

What should the West be doing? My views, being slightly more robust than some, include the following:-

Close ALL the Saudi-funded Wahabbi-led mosques, and deport immediately all the Saudi-funded imams and mullahs; along with their extensive families, broods and supporters.

Close down, immediately, all Madrassas and so-called Islamic schools, and either deport or restrict the so-called teachers.

Ban, immediately, all Sharia courts, and deport or imprison, if necessary, those who push this alternate justice system; as by allowing ‘sharia’, they push the system which encourages the diminution of women to a second class status.

Ban not only the burka, but any form of head covering which is worn to signify religious observance. Ban also any dress, garment or covering which signifies adherence to the Muslim religion or belief.

I stumbled on this as it was just above a comment I posted here:

About China and it slowing. (h/t to Another Ian for getting me to go look from tips)

Though I’m still left to wonder how long and how many more dead before the average Numpty decides that “being symbolic” is not as useful as actually accomplishing something. I suspect it will be a few hundred more and a couple of election cycles… Though there are some encouraging signs that Multicultural 3rd Way Progressive Socialism has found a few rocks on various shores… (hack hack, Brexit)

I guess we’ll find out how much the world has changed in November…

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35 Responses to An Interesting POV on “solidarity”

  1. Larry Ledwick says:

    I think that is one of the primary differences between progressives and conservatives over all. Progressives are obsessed with appearances and not terribly interested in taking concrete changes that involve effort (ie they are lazy and make it socially acceptable by claiming it is the civilized way to do things if you are “smart” thereby implying if you disagree with them you are stupid).

    Touchy feelly demonstrations are more important (as virtue signalling) than actual work toward a goal that requires you actually do something and in the process eliminate the problem you depend on to milk the public purse.

    The result is you get bone headed administrators who freak out over the shape of a pop tart some school kid took a few bites out of, but are either unwilling or unable to do a single concrete thing to stop the slow motion genocide of blacks killing blacks in the inner cites that they control. Perhaps inner city violence is just population control by other means — sort of an after the fact version of planned parenthood’s culling of the herd as Margaret Sanger alluded to with her comment.

    “How are we to breed a race of human thoroughbreds unless we follow the same plan? We must make this country into a garden of children instead of a disorderly back lot overrun with human weeds.” (1924)

  2. BobN says:

    Most people try to live outside reality, doing something symbolic is easy and makes them feel good about helping the cause. To take action moves you to a different plane that might require work or danger, so that is to be avoided at all costs. The Threshold to get people to react and do something has gotten dangerously high.

  3. J Martin says:

    In Norway immigrant commits a crime they get deported, result, crime has dropped by one third. Also, they types of immigrants that commit crime in their host countries are the same types that get radicalised and become terrorists in their host countries. Norway is the only country making any efforts to combat some of the negative aspects immigration.

    Ww3 will start in Europe from an attempted pogrom by Muslims on the host population in about 30 years or less.

    Re China. If China crashes then I guess that takes out the whole pack of international cards with dodgy bank derivatives and unsustainable national debt nearly everywhere? Some countries like Russia less affected.

  4. Richard Hill says:

    EM: As usual, you have hit the nail on the head.
    I would like to get your opinion about the idea of “permission”. Evil in peoples hearts can be released by “permission”. Das Kapital was only a book but it released a lot of practicality. I see a cascade of permission in the terrorist problem. The radicalisers use the Koran as a tool. The religious leaders cannot criticise them because Muslims maintain the Koran is the actual unalterable word of God. I think we should decapitate the religion by de-legitimising the Koran. The actual words in the Koran are “kill them where ever you find them” (about polytheists) and “it is permitted for a man to beat his wife”. Unless a person agrees that God did not actually say these actual words (in Arabic of course) they should be invited to leave the country. Our political leaders, by consorting with senior Muslim religious leaders are starting a cascade of legitimising the Koran which ends up in the streets.

  5. M Simon says:

    A different view of helicopter money and the banks.

    You should follow the links and read the whole series. It is very interesting and well thought out.

  6. E.M.Smith says:

    Well, I was sitting out in the garden with a nice cold Apple Cider (reason here) when the flock of California Band Tailed Pigeons showed up for late lunch. We “accumulated” them sometime over this winter. They travel in flocks of up to 50 or so at a time. “My” flock is only about 16… at least, at any one time…

    As they’ve been having a bit of a hard time lately: about their die off
    (Has a great picture of one, too… but realize these things are about the size of a small banty hen chicken… or “game hen”…)

    I don’t begrudge them the HUGE increase in my bird food budget they have caused… At about 10 and 2 they “tank up” and wolf down about a half gallon of seeds at each sitting… maybe more. I’d been supporting a dozen odd small birds and a few squirrels on about $5 / week, then these guys showed up. Now it’s about $25 / week… HOWEVER, we get a GREAT SHOW as 16 of them try to sit on the shelf outside the living room window and all eat at once…(I’ve taken to scattering seed over the shelf, not just a bowl…) The only real problem is that they are VERY alert. Move a hand, a gross and a quarter of the take to flight all at once and the windows rattle like an earthquake…

    So they were sitting there, up in a neighbors tree and on the power lines, looking at me… then at the food, then at me, then at the water dish, then at me… I couldn’t take it any more… So I came inside. That the mug was down to the last 2 oz. didn’t hurt my motivation either ;-)

    So now my dependent hoard can fill up and go off to nesting or “wherever”… and I’m back at the keyboard…

    (Sidebar: I suspect their “die off” is due to a few things. Drought reduced acorn supply that is the preferred food, lack of water to drink with the big “don’t water!!!” campaign, and likely windmills as they migrate the length of California and on up into Oregon and beyond. So I’m happy to give them a “safe place” with plentiful food and drink, in exchange for entertainment… Twice to three times a day we get “The Band Tailed Pigeon Show” in our picture window… bullies pecking the weak, who take “for a while” then go bat shit back with a Big Peck, then there is The Loner who shows up about 1/2 hour to an hour after the main pack. Having figured out the food refills and there are no snotty idiots trying to hog the food… Seems to not mind me moving a hand as much either. I think we are reaching an understanding… And on it goes… Watching them “negotiate” with the squirrels for who gets to the bowl when is great fun. For about the price of a movie and snacks per week, well worth it!)

    So I’m back at the keyboard again…

    To the Topic:


    Did I do that posting on Virtue Signaling… yes, I did!

    What those who complain about ‘human weeds’ forget is that hybrid and inbred are very closely related and are NOT the most vigorous. Nature has a way of assuring the best match of supply to needs… even if a bit messy at times. Look at all the “Pure Breed Dogs” and you find a litany of illnesses and weaknesses. Hip dysplasia, deafness, heart problems, it’s a long list. Why? Because “Central Planning” doesn’t weed out problems as well as back log mutts do. It’s is an almost iconic thing that the American Mutt dog has few problems, is vigorous, and knows how to work a crowd. Capitalism and Nature have much in common…

    FWIW, I’m a “Germano-Franco-Celtic” mutt and my grandkids will include some Hispano-African mix. The sisters each picked up a bit of Indian and Italian/Hispanic blend in their grandkids. Gues what: The grandkids outperform the grandparents.

    I’m a Mutt, and damned proud of it! (Look at any pro football team. THE best linemen are a black / european mix. Size and build from Europe, toughness and strength from Africa. Blacks have 10% more dense bones than whites, whites have a ‘stocky’ build with heavy muscling. Mix them, it’s a different beast than either source. As one direct example.)


    I sometimes wonder if it is ‘stupidity’ or if they are smarter than me… not having to actually take the risk of failure and try to accomplish anything, while accumulating Coup Points… in some ways maybe a better risk / reward basis… at least in the short run…

    @J. Martin:

    IMHO, W.W.III is already underway as a “slow war”…

    The whole derivatives thing doesn’t worry me as much as the rampant money printing in the wrong idea that “more stimulus” will fix bad Fiscal Policy, when it can’t. For most of the derivatives market, it expires worthless every few months, and there are as many long as short any given ‘bet’. So I owe you 1 Trillion Beers and you own me 1 Trillion minus one Beers and net you hand me a beer. It really is like that. The “Total $” doesn’t matter, the “Net of crossing $” does.

    @Richard Hill:


    There was a watershed moment for me. The Koran was added to the books on the table at the initiation rites of the Masons. These folks, who likely resulted from the merger of the Mason Union and the Knights Templar (who had been busy repelling the Moors aka Muslims…) now let you swear there is a Supreme Being on any of the Old Testament (Jews), Bible (Christians) and the Koran. That was the ‘tell’ to me that TPTB had “cut a deal” with the very rich Arabs to let them into the club of Global Ownership And Control. A seat at the table in The Bilderberg’s meetings and “multicultural” Mosques popping up world wide too.

    Unfortunately, it isn’t possible to make Islam “western” and / or compatible with “Western Ideals” and we have all the necessary carnage as a result. Islam and the Saudis are more or less OK with that, as with a 50:1 “kill ratio” in attacks and a 5:1 birth ratio, once they have a few % of the population it is “just a matter of time” (see Christian Lebanon in your history books…) So sure, they will take that deal. Just let us move in a few % of “ours” into “your” country. We’re all in the same club now, after all…

    My only hope is that Europe blows up into chaos and war far enough in advance of Australia and the Americas that the world catches a clue in time. Then the “Plan B” is for Russia and China to “do what they do” in the aftermath of a “western collapse” and clean up the mess… I’m OK with speaking Russian… (Chinese not so much…)

    Then there is Africa… North vs South. One hopes someone there ‘catches clue’ and stops the incursions of N into S.

  7. E.M.Smith says:

    @M. Simon:

    I’ve read the top post. I’ll get to the rest of the links later (Apple Cider permitting ;-) tonight.

    The basic thesis seems to be that robotic automation is “special” and we need to go to collectivist central monetary policy for redemption. There’s a boat load of reasons why I think there are flaws in that reasoning (mostly the entire Industrial Revolution that is essentially one large automation process and has lead to massive increases in prosperity… our poor living better than Kings of old…). Yet there is something attractive in it. An emotional pull that is at odds with my knee jerk “Industrial Revolution!” response…

    And that will take a bit of ponder to sort out…

    “Quantity has a quality all its own” also applies to rate of change…

    So the question really is: “Is there something different enough about the degree and rate of automation ‘this time’?”… and answer came there none… I’m just not sure I can mount a response to that line of reasoning…

    Sure, Grandpa transitioned from Blacksmith to Farmer as industrial manufacture made Smithing obsolete after a few thousand years. Then Dad transitioned from Farmer to Home Builder to Restaurantuer to Real Estate Salesman… a bit faster. Then I’ve been a ‘door to door salesman’, dishwasher, farm worker, cannery worker, hotel night auditor, hospital receptionist, hospital billing clerk, hospital medical records technician, semiconductor capacity planner, Dr. Pepper Salesman (for all of about 4 months ;-) yes “I’m a Pepper”!), software programmer, database analyst, 3rd Party Software Manager, Unix Systems Admin Manager, Director of I.T., I.T. Consultant (with a few dozen various gigs…and running my own company) and D.R. Project Manager in I.T…. and I’m presently unemployed… and I’m not sure someone who isn’t a few sigmas away from the norm could change that fast…

    Yet my Son made Director 12 years faster than I did… so there is some hope…

    “But Hope is not a strategy. -E.M.Smith” haunts that very statement…

    So you have made me think. Against my will, and with mug of Apple Hard Cider in hand….


  8. Larry Ledwick says:

    By the way E.M. I was fiddling with some numbers earlier today and at the current immigration rate of in excess of 100,000 Muslim immigrants per year,+ illegal immigration (visa over stays etc.) + the typical birth rate in the source countries, the net percentage gain in population for the Muslim share if the American population group is at a rate of about 5% / year. That implies a doubling time of about 13.5 years.

    Current estimates of Muslim population in America by CAIR is about 7.3 million in 2015. Merge those facts and with no major changes, that would put Muslim population in the U.S. at about 50 million in 50 years. Since the growth rate for the typical melting pot American is around 2% / year as you have pointed out elsewhere as a group they will grow much faster than the traditional American population pool (at least until affluence begins to crimp their birth rate.

    In 50 years current American population at 2% growth rate would increase from 330 million to about 888 million making the 50 million Muslims at that time about 5% of the population.

    Since other power block voting groups tend to become factors in elections when they get to about 10% of the population that would put the cross over point where Muslim voters would start to be a pivotal voting block at about 60 – 70 years out (all things staying the same as now)

    By way of comparison, all union members now account for about 4.5% of the population and can swing elections in areas where they are concentrated.

    Blacks account for 12.6% of the population.
    Registered Democrats about 29% of the population
    Registered Republicans about 26% of the population

  9. Larry Ledwick says:

    Ref automation and the economy, in my view it is not so much “the automation” as it is the speed at which it operates. The automated systems working in millisecond domain are simply so fast that no living being can really know what is going on. By the time the data is displayed on a computer screen it is already horribly obsolete in the context of machine processing speeds. Not to mention that the human looking at the screen needs to ponder for an eternity of time from the view point of the machines. Like a high gain amplifier in my opinion this increases the inherent vulnerability for instability (flash crashes being an example). If the right circumstances match up with the right coding bug no telling what is possible – we are simply in undefined territory.

  10. Oliver K. Manuel says:

    Tensions are mounting here. Next Saturday at 5:30 pm the minister at the La Croix Methodist Church in Cape Girardeau, MO will disrupt his usual schedule of sermons to speak on race relations.

  11. M Simon says:

    Larry Ledwick
    16 July 2016 at 5:06 pm

    Slow motion genocide? Gang violence. Anyone remember the history of alcohol prohibition?

    We could always end the cocaine price support and gang finance program.

  12. M Simon says:

    16 July 2016 at 11:07 pm

    Helicopter money is already collectivist. The only question is: bottom up or top down. To get the full flavor you have to read the whole 14 part series. It will take a while. It is the equivalent of a 50 or 100 page book.

    We have had seven years of helicopter money in an effort to cause some inflation. It seems the more that is spent the more deflation we get. The 14 part series tells why. IMO. YMMV.

  13. E.M.Smith says:

    “Liquidity Trap” explains why there is no inflation with near or at zero interest rates.

    The velocity of money approaches zero. Why invest in zero interest bonds or companies making no profit (taxes and regulation strangle) ? Just sit in safe cash.

    M (money supply) must increase faster than V (velocity) decreases for inflation to happen.

    MV = PQ–quantity-theory-of-money/text/362.html

    As V plunges, to stay balanced, with the M increasing slower than V decreases, and Q, total quantity of stuff sold near constant (stable economy), only P (average price) can take up the slack. So prices drop to balance slowing V. The alternatives are Q dropping (recession) or making M increase faster (wide open money supply eventually causing inflation).

    It all comes down to how people value currency and are they willing to hold it. IF they think it holds value poorly, it gets shoved off to someone else fast (high V) and prices rise to balance (inflation). IF they think it holds value well enough, they will sit on a big pile (low V) and either M must go up (Quantitative Easing) or average P prices down (deflation) or Q drops (recession) to balance.

    Since goverments cannot accept recession, they push more M, but if that isn’t fast enough, P still drops and deflation pressure builds. That makes it even more attractive to sit on cash and V drops even faster… As you can see, this is an unstable system… in both directions…

    If people start to doubt the future value of money, V rises fast (think buying gold or trading it for foreign currency or buying artworks). Then the whole feedback loop runs the other way with rising P to balance (assuming total Q near constant) or the central bank in a race condition to reduce M faster than V increases.

    Essentially, to keep constant stable economic output (constant Q), with stable prices (P), which is the goal of government given to The Fed, M must be varied in opposition to V; but V is irrationally set by the bulk of the population and M has large tracking errors. Especially as interest rates drop to zero, V can go to zero (no opportunity cost in not buying bonds). How do you make M large enough that multiplied by zero it balances?

    Then add in that countries like Venezuela have crap currencies, so folks there buy lots of dollars to sit on, and China has loads of folks wanting to park money where their government can’t get it, so buy dollars to sit on… it becomes hard to keep V up enough.

  14. Another Ian says:

    Richard Hill says:
    16 July 2016 at 9:11 pm

    You IMO haven’t negated this bit (quote from an earlier EMS)

    “(Anyone thinking I’m overstating that, read the Koran and Sharia rulings. No, you can not take the word of your Muslim Friend for it. The Koran specifically says it is just fine to lie cheat and deceive the Infidel to advance Islam… so “On No One’s Word”; just read it for yourself. “

  15. E.M.Smith says:

    Oh, and to the point of “permission”:

    Do realize that the koran does not give “permission” to kill the infidel and take their stuff and enslave infidel women in brothels, it commands it. The “direct word of Allah” saying to slay the infidel where you find him. Not negotiable. That’s more empowerment and commanding than permitting…

    Oh, and do realize that in most movies of Arab / Muslim traditional culture you would see dancing girls in the harem. Remember that those are not “good muslim women”, the koran forbids that, but captured infidel women, those can be put on display as you wish…as part of your brothel or private brothel / harem… That’s a bit more than ‘permission’…

  16. David A says:

    After some thought I consider reform of Islam possible. Carrots and sticks are required. “Pain is a prod to memory”

    There has always been an element of Islam that considers the submit or die quotes to apply spiritually, not physically. Thus life it self is seen as a battle where one accepts “truth” Allah’s will, or rejects it. The consequence of rejection is death, not physical but spiritual. “Submit or die”

    A blog post is not the forum to support this, but some Imans and have actually done a fairly robust job of this view. Yes, they have death Fatwas issued against them.

    The point is that most people are followers. Most Muslims will follow their leaders. Change their leaders, and you change them.

    So a national policy doing EM. Suggestions, the stick, with heavy promotion of this reformist ideology by the Muslim reformers who advocate it, and international support, like from the Egyptians who rejected the MB the O supported, would likely be embraced by millions of Muslims, particularly Women.

  17. David A says:

    BTW, this reformation puts Islam in accord with Hinduism, where the Gita is seen as primarily as a symbol of an inner battle, and in accord with much Christian interpretation of the old testament.

  18. E.M.Smith says:

    @David A:

    My Sensei would say “Pain has direction” when teaching us how to control an attacker. Apply pain in such a way that the direction is the desired one… (mostly related to joint locks and “mild” jabs / strikes…) He was a Sgt. in the local Police Dept. so got to use this to practical effect frequently…

    There was a very reasonable “reformed” Islam (in California? somewhere in the States) that was much aligned with your description. Their founder / leader was killed by True Believers wanting to prevent his “perversion” of the faith… Reform of Islam will be a very painful road, and the pain will be pointing away from reform… by design.

  19. David A says:

    I agree. Thus great will and courage is required.

  20. Jason Calley says:

    Hey M Simon! I read the article you linked to, and was strongly reminded of a conversation that a friend and I have been having for the last two years or so.

    As a strong free market capitalism proponent, I have been struggling with the idea of a guaranteed annual income. My friend has been pushing the idea and while my early reactions have all been against the idea, I am starting to give it more serious thought. Consider this; in any free market (heck, maybe in any market at all) there will always be some people who are unable to work. Maybe they are elderly, maybe they were born with serious birth defects, maybe they have some chronic illness — who knows. Every western culture has always had some method of helping such people, whether it was state sponsored support, church programs, or simple charity from those better off. That sort of arrangement will work (better in some, worse in others) as long as the fraction of disabled is relatively low. If the society is wealthy it can afford a larger fraction of disabled — but what do we do when the fraction of disabled becomes 90%? or 99.9%? In agrarian societies, there is some sort of work for any person of reasonable intelligence and strength, but in a highly technologically based society, there simply is not much productive work for people who have low IQ, even when they have a desire to work. Sure, you can create make-work (dig a hole, fill it in) but most people will resent that sort of job even more than just sitting on their butts doing nothing. Tractors and bulldozers did away with much of the muscle work in agrarian societies. Now computers and robots are doing away with work that was being done by people with IQs of 100 or even higher. What happens when we have done away with the work of people with IQs of 130? When our society is so automated that only one person in 50 can perform a productive function, what happens to the other 49 people? Oh, sure, we will all sing Kumbaya and produce music and great art… not!

    As much as I dislike the idea of a guaranteed annual income, it may be necessary. The only thing I can think of which might at least ameliorate some of the long term bad effects of such a program is this; give an annual income to every adult, enough for a comfortable, but not extravagant life. However, do not give ANY increase in income for families that have children. If someone wants children, the expense of the kids comes out of the adult’s income. This might discourage people from having more and more children just for the support payments. Similarly, it discourages people who are selfish from having kids. It might also encourage couples to live together and pool resources if they do have children.

    It is not a perfect solution — but I do not think this is a problem which has a perfect solution. Maybe I will get some friends and we will start a neo-amish village where the technology is stalled at 1950. That might be preferable to being a biological unit in a world of robots…

  21. wyoskeptic says:

    Re David A and Islam reform is possible.
    John Adams after meeting with Tripoli’s ambassador to London in March 1785 (Ambassador Abd Al-Rahman) a meeting regarding the amount of tribute the USA would have to pay to the Barbary pirates in order to prevent them taking US ships, said it thus: “We ought not to fight them at all unless we determine to fight them forever.”
    That is Islam. The problem — if it is not obvious — is that the decision to fight, or not, does not reside with the “we”. It resides with the “them”. If Islamist believers decide to fight us, no amount of not fighting on our part will dissuade them. On the other hand, if the decision is to fight back, to protect ourselves, to defend ourselves, you must be very, very well aware of the last part of Adam’s statement — which is as true today as it was the day it was uttered — “Unless we determine to fight them forever.”
    Islam is time locked in the 7th century. Islam is the driving force behind all of the major issues which face the US today. After all, just who was it who was the driving element behind slavery? Was it white Europeans? Was it China or Asia or Russia? It was Muslims who sold captured members of other tribes to those Europeans and those early colonists in the US and everywhere else. Those Muslims who took US sailors and merchant sailors and others, prisoners to be sold as slaves unless they were ransomed back by the government. The US went through a civil war to ultimately end slavery here in the US. Elsewhere in the world, who is the prime mover behind slavery? Islam. To this very day, as illustrated by ISIS taking Yazidi women as sex slaves and selling them on the internet (as one example), Islam still promotes slavery. The Koran specifically states that it is better for anyone to be a Muslim slave than it is to live free as a non-muslim. The Koran has very specific instructions as to how slaves are to be taken, to be treated, and to be sold.
    Islam reform is not possible unless the Koran (or Quran) and all that rests up on it and exists in parallel with it is cast aside. Islam is not the “religion” of peace. Islam stands for “domination.” Islam means “submit”. Unless everyone submits to the tenets of Islam, no one is safe. Anyone who has not submitted is kafir. Kafir is usually translated as “infidel” or “unbeliever”. Those are mild terms. It actually means something on the order of the offal of pigs. To be kafir is fair game to have anything done to them by a muslim.
    Taqiyah is the practice of denying one’s religion, permissible (actually it is expected, if not actively demanded of a devout muslim when it will advance Islam) when one is faced with persecution; it is regarded as a means of protecting (and expanding) the religion. Thus it is perfectly proper and expected for a muslim to declare, for example, “I am not a muslim. I am a Protestant (or Catholic or Presbyterian or …)” and to so swear an oath to it. It is expected, of course, that as soon as it is possible, that the person will then proclaim the truth and then turn about and slay each and everyone of those people he swore most solemnly to while announcing Allah Akuhbar!.
    Simply put, it is not possible to take a declared oath from a Muslim, because it is impossible to determine if they are truly swearing so, or are practicing taqiyah.
    Adams said it:”We ought not to fight them at all unless we determine to fight them forever.”
    The problem is we have no choice of whether or not to fight them. Like it or not, we are at war, only no one will admit it. It is not going to go away. It is not going to be peacefully resolved. It is going to be ongoing so long as any Islam believers exist. A lot of people are going to lose their lives over this issue. End of story.

  22. Jeff says:

    Meanwhile, here in Germany we’re seeing again that “Multi-Kulti” doesn’t work.

    A 17-year-old “unaccompanied refugee” from Afghanistan has cut loose with a knife
    and an Axe (see what anti-gun laws do) on an inter-regional train near Würzburg.
    As of now, there are three serious-to-critically wounded passengers, and one lightly-wounded
    one. The perp was killed by SEK officers (SWAT) as he tried to escape. Witnesses said he yelled the usual “Allahu Akbar” call to terror whilst he was hacking away.

    Germany’s trains, once among the safest, technically advanced, and on-time means
    of transportation have been hit hard by the influx of “refauxgees”, many of whom
    ride unticketed, even though they get farecards for free, anyway. When the conductor
    comes round to collect/validate the tickets, they (more and more) often attack rather
    than suffer the consequences (fine, possible detention for repeat offenses, etc.).

    My son takes the train to Uni every day, and freeloaders are becoming a common occurrence.
    I just hope he doesn’t have to put up with knife/axe-bearing fellow passengers on
    a regular basis – or at all.

    Not sure what set this fellow off as it’s just happened. Sad day for Germany and our
    trains/transportation, and another question mark about the ability of our “guests”
    to integrate.

  23. Jeff says:

    As it turns out, the Special Forces Commando(s) was on the train, by chance.
    Otherwise it could have been much worse. In addition to the injured, there were
    14 other passengers on that train car. The 17-year-old had been with a foster
    family for two weeks, after having been in a refugee facility.

  24. wyoskeptic says:

    I hope for the best for you, Jeff and for your family, especially for your son.
    As it stands now, I wouldn’t be in Europe for love or money, yet all too soon I fear, there will be no safe locations anywhere.
    No matter how you look at it, when rabid wolves prowl the streets, the answer is not to open the doors and leave them open.
    Best of luck to you, sir.

  25. Jeff says:

    Thanks, Wyoskeptic. I moved over here, back to CA, then back for Y2K. In between the wall came down (in the wrong direction, as I put it), and the EU went from the promised currency union to a (n undeclared) political union. Interesting times, these. Concealed carry would help, some, especially for folks who aren’t the biggest ones on the block. Interestingly, a lot of folks in France are saying they’d like for guns to be allowed again, as the police seem to be relatively impotent against what’s going on. They’ve been victims of budget cuts, too, as well as equipment cuts, etc., etc.

    Maybe folks are coming to their senses, after all. Ironically I thought leaving CA for here would present a more stable work/education environment. Not so sure now. But where to go? I have to say I was suprised about the attack on the train, and hope and pray it’s a one-time thing. Würzburg is an hour or two away from here, but I don’t think conductors are armed on our trains. Maybe it’s time for that to change. Then again, actually carefully vetting our “guests” would probably be the best option.

  26. wyoskeptic says:

    Jeff, I hear you with that where to go. I’ve looked at that as well. To me, it is truly going to come down to this next election. If Hillary, then lord a mercy, I have no idea at all. Here in Wyoming there are a lot of acres where there is nothing but acres. Might be worth it to go find me a hole and pull it in after me.

    Here in the states, Black lives matter folks are mostly — wait for it — followers of the Nation of Islam. Has no one figured out the connections yet? DOD, DOJ, Homeland Security … all have increased numbers of the Muslim Brotherhood in positions of leadership. Just incidentally, our fine president just happens to want to put all law enforcement under the umbrella of the DOJ / Homeland Security oversight …

    When local authority, in the form of law enforcement, are marginalized, when law and order is mocked and those who uphold it are spit upon … (all in the name of diversity and understanding and goodwill toward all, mind you) the result is to leave the law abiding at the mercy of those who are not law abiding; in addition, without, just incidentally, the means to protect themselves, then who is left to pick up the pieces? When swamped by newcomers who have been indoctrinated since birth that (1) since they are males who believe in Allah, the one and only, and thus (2) have the God given right to do as they please, to (3) be in domination over all others because of their belief in their one true god with (4) also the fact that in their view, any national law means nothing since the only law they answer to is that of Allah and Shariah, what is the result going to be? Who are going to be the sheep and who are going to be the sheepdogs?

    Where to go? I have not figured out any place. There may not be a place unaffected. It is time for more people to see and to understand. But regardless, it ain’t gonna be pretty, that I do guaran-damn-tee. It is gonna get way ugly before it ever can get better again.

    I do hope people are waking up. I truly do.

  27. A C Osborn says:

    Re “Black lives matter folks”, Willis has a non commented piece over at WUWT about “Deaths by Police”, the interesting thing that came out of his study is that far more Whites are shot & killed by Police than Blacks in the USA.

    I don’t know how accurate the figures or his analysis are.

  28. Gail Combs says:

    “…far more Whites are shot & killed by Police than Blacks in the USA.”

    That is true. from FBI stats.
    The War on Cops by Heather Mac Donald

    Heather Mac Donald is the Thomas W. Smith Fellow at the Manhattan Institute and a contributing editor of City Journal. She earned a B.A. from Yale University, an M.A. in English from Cambridge University, and a J.D. from Stanford Law School.

    For those like me who prefer the written word to videos:
    The Danger of the “Black Lives Matter” Movement

    …however intolerable and inexcusable every act of police brutality is, and while we need to make sure that the police are properly trained in the Constitution and in courtesy, there is a larger reality behind the issue of policing, crime, and race that remains a taboo topic. The problem of black-on-black crime is an uncomfortable truth, but unless we acknowledge it, we won’t get very far in understanding patterns of policing….

    Every year, approximately 6,000 blacks are murdered. This is a number greater than white and Hispanic homicide victims combined, even though blacks are only 13 percent of the national population. Blacks are killed at six times the rate of whites and Hispanics combined. In Los Angeles, blacks between the ages of 20 and 24 die at a rate 20 to 30 times the national mean. Who is killing them? Not the police, and not white civilians, but other blacks. The astronomical black death-by-homicide rate is a function of the black crime rate. Black males between the ages of 14 and 17 commit homicide at ten times the rate of white and Hispanic male teens combined….

    Moreover, 40 percent of all cop killers have been black over the last decade. And a larger proportion of white and Hispanic homicide deaths are a result of police killings than black homicide deaths—but don’t expect to hear that from the media or from the political enablers of the Black Lives Matter movement. Twelve percent of all white and Hispanic homicide victims are killed by police officers, compared to four percent of all black homicide victims. If we’re going to have a “Lives Matter” anti-police movement, it would be more appropriately named “White and Hispanic Lives Matter.”…

    Unfortunately, when officers back off in high crime neighborhoods, crime shoots through the roof. Our country is in the midst of the first sustained violent crime spike in two decades. Murders rose nearly 17 percent in the nation’s 50 largest cities in 2015, and it was in cities with large black populations where the violence increased the most. Baltimore’s per capita homicide rate last year was the highest in its history. Milwaukee had its deadliest year in a decade, with a 72 percent increase in homicides. Homicides in Cleveland increased 90 percent over the previous year. Murders rose 83 percent in Nashville, 54 percent in Washington, D.C., and 61 percent in Minneapolis. In Chicago, where pedestrian stops are down by 90 percent, shootings were up 80 percent through March 2016.
    I first identified the increase in violent crime in May 2015 and dubbed it “the Ferguson effect.”
    Ten children under the age of ten were killed in Baltimore last year. In Cleveland, three children five and younger were killed in September. A seven-year-old boy was killed in Chicago over the Fourth of July weekend by a bullet intended for his father. In November, a nine-year-old in Chicago was lured into an alley and killed by his father’s gang enemies; the father refused to cooperate with the police….

    The drop in New York’s crime rate is the steepest in the nation, but crime has fallen at a historic rate nationwide as well—by about 40 percent—since the early 1990s. The greatest beneficiaries of these declining rates have been minorities. Over 10,000 minority males alive today in New York would be dead if the city’s homicide rate had remained at its early 1990s level.
    What is behind this historic crime drop? A policing revolution that began in New York and spread nationally, and that is now being threatened. Starting in 1994, the top brass of the NYPD embraced the then-radical idea that the police can actually prevent crime, not just respond to it. They started gathering and analyzing crime data….

    Compstat created a sense of urgency about fighting crime that has never left the NYPD. For decades, the rap against the police was that they ignored crime in minority neighborhoods. Compstat keeps New York commanders focused like a laser beam on where people are being victimized most, and that is in minority communities. Compstat spread nationwide. Departments across the country now send officers to emerging crime hot spots to try to interrupt criminal behavior before it happens.

    In terms of economic stimulus alone, no other government program has come close to the success of data-driven policing. In New York City, businesses that had shunned previously drug-infested areas now set up shop there, offering residents a choice in shopping and creating a demand for workers. Senior citizens felt safe to go to the store or to the post office to pick up their Social Security checks. Children could ride their bikes on city sidewalks without their mothers worrying that they would be shot. But the crime victories of the last two decades, and the moral support on which law and order depends, are now in jeopardy thanks to the falsehoods of the Black Lives Matter movement….

  29. Gail Combs says:

    Also we now have a video of Rudy from the RNC convention last night and also one from Sheriff Clarke.

    The vids plus one of the Trumps is HERE

    The RNC had incredible speakers last night. I sat up and watched the entire set of speeches on livestream.

    They also had the two guys from Benghazi, the brother and sister of the Border Patrol guy killed with a Fast and Furious gun, and three people that have had loved ones killed by illegals. Those really hit straight to the heart.

    Interesting one of the Fast and Furious guns showed up in Paris. Maybe Alex Jones is not quite so looney-tunes and he was correct that weapons walked across the border via Fast and Furious were then shipped to the middle east. The Drug Cartel, Islem terrorist connections are certainly their and the Muslim Brotherhood now hold high positions in the US government — May the good Lord help us.

    (I am an agnostic but I have been praying like crazy that some sanity enters our government again.)

  30. Gail Combs says:

    More terrorist attacks…

    Moroccan muslim brutally stabbed a 46-year-old woman and her three daughters (aged 14, 12 and 8), in Hautes-Alpes (southern France). The eight-year-old is in critical condition.

    In June in Nice that a waitress was attacked for serving alcohol during Ramadan.

    A month later the “truck attack” on Bastille Day and now this attack in the same Southern France region. Seems the entire resort region is under attack by these one off “lone wolf” attacks.

    Mean while in the USA.
    Jun 1, 2016 2 police officers shot in Fremont, CA.
    Jun 13, 2016 – Orlando, Florida 49 people killed by Islam terrorist
    July 7, 2016 – Nation of Islam terrorist ambushed and killed five officers and injuring nine others.
    July 17, 2016 – Nation of Islam terrorist ambushed and killed three officers shot three other in Baton Rouge Louisiana. Only a very long shot by a SWAT sniper saved the lives of the three wounded and prevented escape.
    July 17, 2016 – A Daytona Beach Fl police car firebombed outside Islamic Center with a BLM note left.
    Just now a Columbus police officer was rushed to the hospital after he cut his mouth after biting into a sandwich, which contained several shards of glass. The sandwich was from a restaurant. Prior to this food has been sabotaged by muslims in the food industry.

    So far 31 cops have been shot to death this year. Up 94% from last year.

    I guess the terrorists really want to see Le Pen and Trump elected…

  31. E.M.Smith says:


    The Muslim Hoard has clearly stated their intent to make money via sending drugs to America to bring us down. It’s part of the record now, not a theory. From Afghan heroin to cocaine, they are happy to be in the business. No question about it. Frankly, part of why I’d like ALL drugs made legal. Make it a medical problem, not a legal one, and the potential to use it for clandestine things evaporates.

    Were I a cop, given the last few months, any beverage or food comes from home, prepared by me. Bought by me or my family “incognito” at a rotating set of sources. Then again, I’ve been doing computer security for a while so maybe I’m a bit bent ;-)

    (Who downloads sources only from public IP wifi hotspots using non-default DNS and only after using a hash calculation done on open sourced software and from a DIFFERENT source for the MD5 of SHA hash to compare?… ;-) I’m not paranoid, I’m a Sys Admin! ;-)

    FWIW, my opinion is that we’re doing a repeat of when the Franks tossed the Moors out of France. They made it a long ways in, folks finally “got clue”, then the result was expulsion from France and Spain all the way to Morocco and Vlad The impaler (AKA Dracula) expelled them from Romania on down south. “Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it” and Europe has forgotten…

  32. E.M.Smith says:

    I probably ought to state my bias….

    I grew up in a family restaurant in Central Valley California in the ’60s (sold when I was 12 so about from 1961 to 1968?).

    Dad had a “policy” with respect to cops. A cop at the counter was assuring nothing bad happened in his restaurant. No bill would ever be presented for coffee and a snack. Donuts, french fries, whatever. A full meal (prime rib, fried chicken etc.) or not in uniform, you got a bill. On duty? Snack and a coffee? Have a nice day and come back soon and often.

    I agree fully with his position. “Your money is not good here” was heard often, and with a smile.

  33. wyoskeptic says:

    I had an interesting run-in with a local Sheriff’s deputy a couple of months ago. The man was cruising by and I gave a lazy wave in his direction. He turned around and came back to ask me “Yes? Is there a problem?”
    I said “Problem? No, just waving hello. How goes it today, sir?” He shook his head and drove off.
    Obviously a new guy.
    It has long been my policy. Wave. Give a thumbs up. A lazy two-finger- touch-the-brow salute. Something like that. And anytime you are talking, always include that “sir” (or recently, “m’am”) They do a job I wouldn’t touch with a ten foot pole for twice their pay.
    But more to the point, I figured out a long time ago that the ones who recognized me were much more likely to give me a warning or chew me out rather than write out that ticket.
    Yup. There be madness behind my method.

  34. E.M.Smith says:

    The “wave” is often done when you have something to say to the officer or need help.

    Stick with the “salute” or thumbs up for just a “supportive recognition” communications…

  35. wyoskeptic says:

    Tru Dat EM. It was a case of not thinking on my part. But then again it was not much of a wave, either. Just a sort of wiggle of the fingers and a flick of the wrist. I think it was a combination of me not thinking and him being bored. But a valid point on your part.

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