O.T.R.A. Part 2

Somewhere between about 4 am and 6 am Eastern I’m going to once again be “on the road” and out of contact.

I’ve accomplished most of the goals for this particular trip. The old Mercedes SLC that had been damaged in a deer strike some 2 (or so?) years ago on the the start of my last contract here, then spent a while in the garage of my Florida Friend, has gone on to another friend who will be fixing and restoring it. Loved the ride, but fixing a damaged car long distance just wasn’t in the cards… So a gift to a friend with land, time, and tools. May it bring him joy and lots of ZOOOOMmmmm!

The Banana Boat was retrieved from the shop where it had be reposing for a few months. Some may remember my trip to Chicago for the birth of the grandson. On the way back, the car started to “have issues”. Mostly an exhaust system blown open and off the headers, but also very rough running (likely a combination of wrong back pressure from the headers and worn points, yes, points, and rotor…) Now fixed, it reposes in the garage of the Florida Friend where the SLC had been. Waiting for a return via air by me… In a few months.

And more, but less interesting… Pool time. Time with friends. Cooking some simple but tasty and satisfying meals to share.

Now the car (the 240 D Diesel Sedan) is loaded with 1/2 of the “stuff” I’d stored here when the last contract ended. (Other half to go via Banana Boat if I don’t score another contract in the next few months). Laundry is done and packed. Just sleep, morning coffee, stop at the ATM on the way out of town, and a long long drive west…

So once again, an “Open Thread” for an O.T.R.A. span.

I’d intended to make a posting of it, and may yet, but one thing to note is that Gasbuddy had earlier confirmed: Truck Stops are no longer selling cheap Diesel. They are price fixing with significantly higher prices than nearby regular gas stations. Yet just now, a check of prices showed them down significantly and more in line with nearby non-truckstops. I wonder if other folks noticed and were also squawking?


I’m sure y’all will find other things to discuss…

One topic that came up at the W.O.B. table was how to make a movie / social movement to roll back the Left Wing Propaganda Machine. From news outlets to entertainment movies, it is a swamp of spin and deception to create the mess we have today; subtile and continuous pressure to The Collective.

So how can those of us who are still believers in Individual Responsibility and Individual Liberty “push back” via a media creation. Say an entertainment movie, but leveraged to promote the America we remember and loved?

What would it take? How to do it? ‘Tis a puzzlement…

Perhaps The Trump will start the shift… but there’s a whole lot of shifting needed. From Universities to TV Production, there’s a Left Wing Ideologue slant well removed from the center of gravity of America that needs rooting out. Driven in some indirect way by the Global Left / UN / whatever. Being passive hasn’t stopped it, so what will?

Well, that ought to keep folks busy for a couple of days! I’ll check in when I can.

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89 Responses to O.T.R.A. Part 2

  1. Larry Ledwick says:

    You going on a southern route through the western states of perhaps going I80?

    Reason I ask is I will be out at the Bonneville Salt flats on thursday the 11th and following days, so if you happen to be cruising through western Utah and I80 at the end of the week drop in and watch the races for a while. Email me contact info if any chance that will work with your travel plans.

  2. E.M.Smith says:

    Depends on weather, but most likely I-10 or I-40. The I-10 route is 40 hrs, I-40 adds one hour to 41 hrs. Going up to I-70 adds 4 more so 44 ish,, and I-80 about 4 to 6 beyond that depending on details. Call it 48 to 50, which gets close to adding another hotel night…

    So unless really horrible weather takes out 10, 20, and 40, It takes a lot longer, so only if a reason cause shows up do I run high.

  3. Larry Ledwick says:

    Not surprised I figured you would favor the southern routes, but worth a try. I would have bought you a burger at the Salt Flats Cafe at mile post 4.

    Safe travels, maybe some other time.

  4. Oliver K. Manuel says:

    Have a safe trip. Call if you will pass near Cape Girardeau, MO 1-572-647-1377

  5. Gail Combs says:

    Safe and uneventful travels E.M.

  6. Gail Combs says:

    To kick start the discussion I will post there two videos

    Publius Huldah: Restoring / Protecting Liberty By Understanding The Constitution

    Hacking Democracy – Full Documentary

  7. Gail Combs says:

    This is Publius Huldah’s blog with the various categories.

    Lawyer, philosopher & logician. Strict constructionist of the U.S. Constitution. Passionate about The Federalist Papers (Alexander Hamilton, James Madison & John Jay), restoring constitutional government, The Bible, the writings of Ayn Rand, & the following: There is no such thing as Jew & Greek, slave & freeman, male & female, black person & white person; for we are all one person in Christ Jesus.


  8. philjourdan says:

    This is as good a place as any to post a thought I have been rattling around in the bulb atop my shoulders. The opening premise is – Why are Entertainers generally very liberal?

    Of late, when time permitted, I have been examining this question. Why is Hollywood in general very liberal? The answer, so far (I am open to being shot down), is that they never grow up! Entertainers are in a perpetual state of adolescence. From their parents teats, to the fawning of managers and fans, they have never had to be an adult. So their maturity stopped at adolescence and they still think in terms of “fair” and satisfying their own needs above all others. Oh, they do make a big show about doing some sort of outreach. But that is all it is. Show. They have never sacrificed, had to scratch and scrape to provide for others. Indeed, even their “others” (usually adopted for show children) are merely status symbols and not an act of love (if they are even capable of love for another – that is another question for another time).

    Good actors are “professional” liars. The better they are, the better liars they are. They have to convince the public they are someone they are not. Which provides good entertainment and we pay them well to be good liars. But that is all they are. They are not scholars. They are not even exceptionally smart. But they are excellent speakers and can lie with the best politicians. That is not a slam, it is a simple fact of who they are. So when they take the stage to promote one cause over another, more times than not, it is not for altruistic reasons, it is to promote their craft. If you have ever had the opportunity to talk to one about substantial items (items outside of the latest fashions the Kardassians are pushing – and I do not care if I spelled that name correctly), you will find them vacuous and shallow. As they are shallow, they will not go against the grain, instead they will take the easiest path (a fault descended from the fact they never really had to fight hard in life), and of course the easiest path is always feeling over thinking.

    Ok, a lot more to think about there. But it is not a high priority as frankly I only look to an actor for a credit, not a comment. But something I have been thinking about given the outrageous examples of mindless quotes coming out of Hollywood lately.

    BTW: The Old adage of “The exception proves the rule” is in play. My comments are in general, not absolute. So yes, there are some that are exceptions to this rule. But they stand out because they are exceptions.

  9. richard ilfeld says:

    I can no longer talk about why Hollywood, or the media are liberal, because the label is is difficult.
    What “liberal” seems to mean is a collection of litmus tests. There seems to me no longer a philosophical basis.

    Once, the young were liberal, as Churchill noted, because they had a ‘heart’. Thus news media, exposed again and again to the wrongs of life began to focus of leftist government as a way to right them, the invisible hand of Adam Smith being too abstract and slow for their heightened “social justice moralities”. Hollywood, not a thinking persons paradics went along and lent their celebrity such as it was to “causes”

    Churchillian Conservatives were conservative because they had a brain.

    But the only illuminating ideas I see consistently on the left is “free stuff”, and “we know what the arc of history will bring and are prepared to use the police power of the state to enforce it”. .

    “We” are proud liberals.

    We detest the death penalty but are fine with killing babies. We detest the imperialist capitalist injustice that impoverishes the third world, yet deny them the cheap energy that is the life’s blood of leaving poverty.

    We detest ‘isms’ but cannot make a law or rule that does not formally discriminate on the basis of race, gender, or other characteristic.

    We value ‘education’ but run many of the country’s worst schools and decry much free exchange of ideas as microaggression.

    The only “equality” and “social justice” we achieve when we gain the reins of power is a uniform misery and poverty.

    A “Hollywood liberal ” is a wealthy capitalist, surround by legal and physical protection, living in hedonistic luxury, exercising Digital and other property rights, espousing a few liberal sentiments in public to buy protection lest they be targets as is wall street. The left owes it fundamental organizational rules of today to the model of organized crime.

  10. Gail Combs says:

    In the just can’t make this stuff up catagory…

    Florida DNC Invites Orlando Terrorist Father to Hillary Clinton Rally – Seddique Mateen Accepts and Attends…

    and the guy sits right behind Hillary for great photo ops. Not surprising since he was invited to the State department….

    He is then interviewed holding a sign saying
    Hilary Clinton:
    * Makes the biggest investment since WWII.

    * Good for National Security

    * Ex-CIA Chief Morell “Hillary told the truth about Benghazi”.

    * ??Gun?? Control Laws

    “Hillary Clinton is good for United States versus Donald Trump, who has no solutions,” he said.

    ( It is well documented that Seddique Mateen supports the Taliban and Sharia Law.)


  11. Gail Combs says:

    More on Seddique Mateen.

    Breitbart Document Reveals Omar Mateen’s Father Tied to Radical Islamist Groups

    Orlando GAY CLUB JIHAD mass murderer’s father is TALIBAN SUPPORTER, had POLITICAL ISLAM TV show, ran for AFGHAN PRESIDENT – See more at: http://pamelageller.com/2016/06/orlando-gay-club-jihad-mass-murderers-father-is-taliban-supporter-had-political-islam-tv-show-ran-for-afghan-president.html/#sthash.MS1acboc.dpuf


    WOW what a great Hitlery supporter. Goes right along with the father she had on stage, Kahn the seller of Islam immigration visas and supporter of Sharia in the USA.

    If this stuff came out on Trump the MSM would be all over it like flies on bupkas. Heck look what they did on the David Dukes, former KKK story.

  12. Gail Combs says:

    I do not think the invite was a mistake. I just do not think the DNC realized people would jump on the story so soon or that Seddique Mateen had such a big mouth.

    Jun 20th, 2016 PHOTOS EMERGE of Orlando Killer’s Father with Top US Lawmakers in DC

  13. Gail Combs says:

    No it is not a mistake. If you watch this video, at the end you can see where she walks off stage when she finished her speech and goes around the back directly to where Mateen is sitting and puts her hand out to shake hands…

  14. Larry Geiger says:

    I woke up last night at 3:00am thinking about the guy whose name I was trying to think of Sunday. It was Ross Perot. When Ross sold EDS he and Ken Bajaj ended up very wealthy. His wife, Kavelle, started INet,which I worked for for 5 years at KSC. That was only about a 48 hour lag time to get a memory to come through. :-)

    For those that weren’t there, the point of this was to illustrate how to start a “small”, “disadvantaged”, woman owned 8A corporation and then get a contract at Kennedy Space Center and eventually being sold for $167,000,000. Nice work, if you can get it. Of course, it always helps to have a few 100 million sitting in the bank if you need to take some time off or if things don’t work out so well.

  15. Another Ian says:


    Census night down here. Attempted to move most people to doing it on line. Fuster cluck.


    I think I heard IBM is in on it.

  16. gallopingcamel says:

    Can you imagine the furor if Seddique Mateen had appeared on the stage at a Trump rally?

    The media would be having hissy fits for weeks. So why is it not a problem for “The Queen”?

  17. Gail Combs says:


    Instead of covering Seddique Mateen, the Mad Media is re-interpreting a Trump comment at today’s Wilmington NC rally to change the public’s focus from this major gaff on the part of the DemonRats.

    Trump was talking about the next president choosing up to 4 or 5 Supreme Court Justices and stated if Hitlery gets in the only hope of blocking extreme left judges is 2nd Amendment people.

    He was of course referring to the fact that a nomination has to be RATIFIED by Congress and an outcry from the public might block an Anti-Constitutional, Anti-Second Amendment judge especially if the Congress has a majority of pro-2nd Amendment Congress critters.

    Of course the Mad Media is saying Trump is calling for Hitlery’s assassination. This is idiotic since Hitlery’s death** would do nothing to change the outcome of the election or if she is elected the nomination of an extreme left Justice by her VP who would assume the presidency.

    ** Given Hitlery’s health issues, brain injury, blood clots, taking warfarin (Coumadin) and lord knows what else, dropping dead looks like a very real possibility which of course the Mad Media would immediately manage to blame on Trump.

    Come to think of it, if I was Hitlery I would be very very careful. She is very much a liability to the DemonRats at this point and if they can blame her death on Trump via a Trump supporter they just might go for it.

  18. Larry Ledwick says:

    You would have to be a sick twisted puppy to jump to that conclusion from hearing his comments in context. It is telling that the Left which is the political domain which encourages violence, jumped to that conclusion. It exactly mirrors their own rhetoric and actions over the last 40 years.
    Who was blowing up power towers in the west – radical leftists
    Who burned or bombed military recruiting offices – radical leftists
    Who was spiking timber and putting the lives of lumber jacks in jeopardy – radical leftists
    Who was setting off bombs here in Denver in the 1970’s — radical leftists
    Who was burning police cars in the 1970s by the dozens – radical leftists
    Who used lawfare (legal extortion) against military, police, religious groups – radical leftist
    Who created and supported the KKK and violent suppression of blacks for almost 100 years – the Democrats
    Who created the weather underground and planted bombs — Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorn radical leftists.
    Who robbed banks to fund their revolutions and kidnapped Patty Hearst, — radical leftists (Symbionese Liberation Army)
    Who held parades where they open carried shot guns which resulted in open carry prohibitions – Black Panthers (radical leftists)
    Who burned cites and rioted at the drop of a hat for 50 years – radical leftists and anarchists
    Who has been shouting kill the pigs for 50 years – radical leftists

    etc. etc.

    If you tally up the political leanings of violence based protest, riot or sabatoge (bomb, arson etc.) the vast majority of them all identified with the Democratic party, Marx, Communism, and leftist revolutionary factions

  19. Gail Combs says:

    Larry Ledwick,

    I think the Left is getting worried that the Giant is awakening and realized just how unlawful, just how Unconstitutional our government is. Our founding fathers gave us a variety of remedies.

    1. The Ballot Box
    2. Congress
    3. Jury Nullification
    4. The Supreme Court
    5. The First Amendment
    6. The Tenth Amendment
    And if all else fails (the Left having gradually negated the first six)
    6. The Second Amendment

    Trump stepped in to KEEP the Second Amendment from being our only choice and the Left is aware of it and shaking in their shoes. We were not expected to wake-up until AFTER our guns were removed and the PURGE was initiated.

  20. Gail Combs says:

    And that is why our schools were dumbed down to the point that students are actively encouraged to burn our flag instead of tossing the b@$tards out.

  21. Another Ian says:

    Gail Combs says:
    10 August 2016 at 1:33 am
    I copied that comment to


    about 01:25 pm our time and it doesn’t show

  22. Another Ian says:


    I copied the comment above there too around 07:00 pm local

    Call me a stirrer? Been known to

  23. Gail Combs says:

    Another Ian,

    I am surprised Andrew Bolt did not allow it through.

  24. Glenn999 says:

    Why is it that so many vote Democrat? Is this the result of a Progressive plan to control education, news outlets, and the entertainment industry? If so, what can be done to reverse the tide? Maybe it’s too late already, but if not, what has the greatest chance of pushing back? The internet shows great promise in shining the light on what the mainstream media refuses to cover. Charter schools and history books that reject progressive thought and revisionism can be a positive influence on many children. However, the media complex is overwhelmingly liberal/progressive. Can screenplays that support God, country, patriotism and anti-progressive ideals be produced into successful films?

    Here is an example:http://www.echolight.com/
    At EchoLight Studios, we exist to produce high-quality films that reflect a worldview distinguished by God’s truths. With stories ranging from action-adventure to family comedy to the dramatic re-telling of classic true stories of redemption, EchoLight Studios makes movies that shine a bright light on the adventurous journey of faith. Welcome aboard!

    Is it possible for a group of E.M.’s blog readers to collaborate on brain storming an outline for a story that could be made into a screenplay?

  25. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting series of tweets on twitter by Sharyl Attkisson
    Repeating them here:
    Sharyl Attkisson ‏@SharylAttkisson 11 minutes ago

    These super PACs are the ones that direct the news narratives (with ease thanks to the complicity of the news)–they pull the strings and

    shape public opinion…with tens of millions of dollars in oppo research, ads, astroturf, fake social media accounts, news “articles”

    They have a timed roll-out planned now through the election of “scandals” they plan to release to keep pressure on and convince the public..

    Timed release of endorsements for and against, letters to the editor (sometimes ghostwritten by paid operatives), news “articles” etc…

    In many ways, we are played like fiddles.

    I’m writing a book about these surreptitious efforts to shape all of us and am learning a lot through the research.

    As one operative told me: every image the public sees is put there for a reason by people with an interest in manipulating their opinions.

    One of the few legitimate Journalists still in the trade.

  26. Gail Combs says:

    Glenn999 says:“Why is it that so many vote Democrat? Is this the result of a Progressive plan to control education, news outlets, and the entertainment industry?…”

    What do the progressive politicians hope to gain by setting up civil unrest? Make no mistake the set-up is deliberate on the part of Clinton and Obama with the help of the Bush boys.

    Lenin and Trotsky allowed the Creel Committee to use Russia as a platform for its propagandizing. All the while the communists were observing the Americans, gathering assessment data. The cynical veterans of decades of underground revolutionary espionage activities observed the Americans and marveled at how naïve the Americans really were.

    Many Americans left Russia after diplomatic service or service in the Creel Committee with a clear-eyed understanding of what the Bolsheviks were all about. However, many Americans left Russia in thrall to the communists.

    One who observed and understood was the Creel Committee foreign educational section member, and future dean of Teachers College, William R. Russell. He was in Russia soon after the Bolsheviks seized power and spent considerable time there, working on Creel propaganda against the Germans, for the Bolsheviks, and later against the Bolsheviks. Russell described how he saw the communist tradecraft:

    The way they worked their way to the seizure of power was as follows: Talk about peace, talk about social equality, especially among those most oppressed. Talk about organization of labor, and penetrate into every labor union. Talk on soapboxes. Publish pamphlets and papers. Orate and harangue. Play on envy. Arouse jealousy. Separate class from class. Try to break down the democratic processes from within. Accustom the people to picketing, strikes, mass meetings. Constantly attack the leaders in every way possible so that the people will lose confidence. Then in time of national peril, during a war, on the occasion of a great disaster, or of a general strike, walk into the capital and seize the power. A well-organized minority can work wonders.

    Willing Accomplices: How KGB Covert Influence Agents Created Political Correctness and Destroyed America by Kent Clizbe

    Never forget that the European bankers that saddled Americans with the Federal Reserve then took that American money and gave it to Trotsky. The purpose was to instigated the Revolution that overthrew the new government that was patterning itself after the US government.

    Congressman McFadden on the Federal Reserve Corporation Remarks in Congress, 1934
    …Some people who think that the Federal Reserve Banks United States Government institutions. They are private monopolies which prey upon the people of these United States for the benefit of themselves…

    “These twelve private credit monopolies were deceitfully and disloyally foisted upon this Country by the bankers who came here from Europe and repaid us our hospitality by undermining our American institutions. Those bankers took money out of this Country to finance Japan in a war against Russia. They created a reign of terror in Russia with our money in order to help that war along. They instigated the separate peace between Germany and Russia, and thus drove a wedge between the allies in World War. They financed Trotsky’s passage from New York to Russia so that he might assist in the destruction of the Russian Empire. They fomented and instigated the Russian Revolution, and placed a large fund of American dollars at Trotsky’s disposal in one of their branch banks in Sweden so that through him Russian homes might be thoroughly broken up and Russian children flung far and wide from their natural protectors. They have since begun breaking up of American homes and the dispersal of American children.

  27. Gail Combs says:

    I can not believe the fire storm about Trump’s statement and the fact NO ONE GETS WHAT HE MEANT!!

    Not even Conservatives or Libertarians.

    I listened to the Wilmington NC rally where Trump was talking about Hillary NOMINATING Supreme Court Justices and the problems that would cause. Then he pauses and thinks and says

    “By the way, if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do folks…… Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is…”

    Listening to him you can tell he is thinking it through and came up with a fall back position if he is not elected. II knew exactly what he was referring to. He was talking about the option of applying major pressure on Senators organized by Second Amendment supporters. Only people who have ZERO idea of how our government works could miss this interpretation.

    “Article Two of the United States Constitution requires the President of the United States to nominate Supreme Court Justices and, with Senate confirmation.”

  28. Jeff says:

    Could be he meant Article II (Section 2), but said Second Amendment instead?

    Of course if was Hillary, whether “impaired” or not, she’d get a pass…

  29. tom0mason says:

    You may be interested in this little item about MS and how they have screwed-up UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface) Secure Boot feature. Apparently some people have found Microsoft has accidentally leaked the Secret keys (aka Golden keys) that allow hackers to unlock devices protected by UEFI.

  30. Another Ian says:

    Gail Combs says:
    10 August 2016 at 8:58 pm


    Testing! Testing!

    I just put that comment up at Andrew Bolt in Tips for Thursday at about 8:18 AM our time.


    The first one hasn’t appeared that I can see on


  31. Another Ian says:

    The one in tips is up

  32. Another Ian says:

    A tribute to those of mighty patience

    August 11, 2016 at 5:26 pm · Reply

    Just went to census.


    Entered login number.

    Gave me , this is your password screen.

    Clicked “have written it down”

    Press start..


    Comment at


  33. Another Ian says:


    A name you know gets mentioned in another comment at Jo Nova as above

    August 11, 2016 at 3:59 pm · Reply

    IBM in the crosshairs as Census blame game heats up towards a …
    The Australian Financial Review-25 minutes ago
    The Census disaster is the last thing IBM needs in Australia after the legal proceedings into its role in the 2010 Queensland Health Payroll failure finally closed …


    Dec 2015: SMH: Queensland can’t sue IBM over health payroll system: judge
    The Queensland government’s lawsuit against IBM Australia over the disastrous health payroll system has stalled, after the Supreme Court upheld a legal challenge by the technology giant.
    The Newman government launched legal action against IBM in 2013, arguing the company had misrepresented its capability to deliver the $6 million contract on time and on budget.
    IBM challenged the lawsuit and pointed to a 2010 agreement which the company said released it from the damages claim.
    A trial was held in the Brisbane Supreme Court earlier this year, and on Monday Justice Glenn Martin ruled in favour of IBM…
    IBM won the contract to design and deliver a whole-of-government payroll system in 2007…
    The payroll system failed spectacularly, resulting in thousands of health workers being underpaid, overpaid, or not paid at all.
    The cost to taxpayers has been estimated at $1.2 billion and the debacle has been described as possibly the worst public administration failure in Australia…

    27 Jul: ABC: Queensland Health still seeking millions of dollars in overpayments, six years on from payroll disaster
    Efforts are continuing to recoup more than $62 million in overpayments to Queensland Health staff from the 2010 payroll debacle.
    Thousands of staff were overpaid, underpaid or not paid at all under the payroll scheme ordered by the Bligh Labor government.
    It has since cost taxpayers more than $1.2 billion but Queensland Health has not stopped attempting to recoup millions in overpayments…ETC

  34. philjourdan says:

    @Another Ian – OUCH! WOW! A $6m contract cost them $1.2B! That is one hell of a ROI they were expecting. And I thought only the US government could muck up that badly!

  35. Gail Combs says:

    Jeff says: “Could be he meant Article II (Section 2), but said Second Amendment instead?…”

    I think he was thinking of both. It was obvious that he had a new thought hit him and he did not take the time to explain it in detail or articulate it clearly.

    I have the same problem at times since I do not think linearly. I think in terms of an interconnecting set of data points and that is very tough to communicate to others without writing a book.

    Trump is brilliant (IQ over 150) and yet he has the gift of being able to communicate to blue collar salt of the earth people. This is a rare gift. Most of my college profs and bosses did not have it.

  36. Gail Combs says:

    Another Ian says Gail, The one in tips is up.

    Thanks for forwarding. I still can not post comments at most places. I really must be over the target. And here you thought I was a tinfoil hat type.

    Now where did I put that lead lined titanium hat of mine….

  37. Gail Combs says:

    I just saw this comment on Breitbart where they show DNC Wikileaks gives proof of setting the narrative for CNN and other stations. This is where the “Trump promotes VIOLENCE narrative comes from” link

    “I looked into the FCC communication statutes and CNN should not be broadcasting period.
    Federal -FCC Law says CNN should be shutdown for trying to rig the 2016 election.
    As public trustees CNN and others, broadcasters may not intentionally distort the news. The FCC has stated publicly that “rigging or slanting the news is a most heinous act against the public interest.
    Trump if elected can legally shutdown CNN on his first day in office.”

    Is that true?


    Under News Distortion
    Broadcast Journalism

    Introduction.  As noted above, in light of the fundamental importance of the free flow of information to our democracy, the First Amendment and the Communications Act bar the FCC from telling station licensees how to select material for news programs, or prohibiting the broadcast of an opinion on any subject.  We also do not review anyone’s qualifications to gather, edit, announce, or comment on the news; these decisions are the station licensee’s responsibility.  Nevertheless, there are two issues related to broadcast journalism that are subject to Commission regulation: hoaxes and news distortion….
    News Distortion.  The Commission often receives complaints concerning broadcast journalism, such as allegations that stations have aired inaccurate or one-sided news reports or comments, covered stories inadequately, or overly dramatized the events that they cover. 

    For the reasons noted above, the Commission generally will not intervene in such cases because it would be inconsistent with the First Amendment to replace the journalistic judgment of licensees with our own.  However, as public trustees, broadcast licensees may not intentionally distort the news:  the FCC has stated that “rigging or slanting the news is a most heinous act against the public interest.”  The Commission will investigate a station for news distortion if it receives documented evidence of such rigging or slanting, such as testimony or other documentation, from individuals with direct personal knowledge that a licensee or its management engaged in the intentional falsification of the news.  Of particular concern would be evidence of the direction to employees from station management to falsify the news.  However, absent such a compelling showing, the Commission will not intervene….


    Political Broadcasting: Candidates for Public Office.  In recognition of the particular importance of the free flow of information to the public during the electoral process, the Communications Act and the Commission’s rules impose specific obligations on broadcasters regarding political speech.
    Reasonable Access.  The Communications Act requires that broadcast stations provide “reasonable access” to candidates for federal elective office. Such access must be made available during all of a station’s normal broadcast schedule, including television prime time and radio drive time.  In addition, federal candidates are entitled to purchase all classes of time offered by stations to commercial advertisers, such as preemptible and non-preemptible time.  The only exception to the access requirement is for bona fide news programming (as defined below), during which broadcasters may choose not to sell airtime to federal candidates.  Broadcast stations have discretion as to whether to sell time to candidates in state and local elections.
    Equal Opportunities.  The Communications Act requires that, when a station provides airtime to a legally qualified candidate for any public office (federal, state, or local), the station must “afford equal opportunities to all other such candidates for that office.”  The equal opportunities provision of the Communications Act also provides that the station “shall have no power of censorship over the material broadcast” by the candidate.  The law exempts from the equal opportunities requirement appearances by candidates during bona fide news programming, defined as an appearance by a legally qualified candidate on a bona fide newscast, interview, or documentary (if the appearance of the candidate is incidental to the presentation of the subject covered by the documentary) or on–the–spot coverage of a bona fide news event (including debates, political conventions and related incidental activities)….

    HMMMmm Close enough to allow some conservative lawyers lots of fun dragging all the news stations into court and giving them something else to worry about.

  38. David Ball says:

    Thank you to all for the comments. Gail, always on point with quality info.

    As a Canadian, I am still reeling from our federal election of one of the most vacuous “leaders” Canada has ever had. Our media basically elected this POS.
    A friend of mine commented about the only right wing news outlet in Canada whose top writers (one is a freedom of speech crusader, one is a women’s rights activist fighting sharia law, and one is a punk nihilistic idealist who slams left wing ideology in the mosh pit), would have been shot at Kent State. This is how far left the west has moved. We are frogs in the water that is slowly been brought to a left wing boil.

    Doing all I can in Canada.

    Ps. Television makes you dumber. Glad my kids are voracious readers. They are very creative and well spoken as a result. TV shuts off any need for imagination.

  39. Another Ian says:


    I’ve wondered if that team was hired to work on Obamacare on the strength of that job.

    Some light reading on it – chapter and verse

    Click to access 338.pdf

    Latest on our census debacle

    “IBM servers for Australian Census 2016 miscalculated level of demand in a short space of time”


  40. Gail Combs says:

    David Ball,

    I quit watching TV more than forty years ago.

    Thanks to friends I was aware the MSM tales about Kent State were a complete lie. It was about the town passing a law removing the right to vote from college students. Many like my friend were in their mid twenties, married with kids going to school on the GI bill. Their wives could vote but they could not. To add insult, the MSM then showed film footage of a ‘riot’ about the Vietnam war at my university. I found out when Mom called in a panic. THERE WAS NO RIOT! I was on campus from 7:00 AM to 5:00 PM. It was all about driving the “College Students are Rioting About the War” narrative to cover up the ILLEGAL shooting of unarmed college students. If people had known the actual reason for the protests the American people would be against the government demanding trials and accountability.

    At that point I knew the MSM were lying sleaze bags.


    Trump by the way is playing the media like a fiddle.

    One of his major talking points is appointing Supreme Court Justices and the threat to our Bill of Rights esp the 2nd Amendment. So he fumbles around, the MSM takes the bait and even goes so far as to make up a story about the Secret Service talking to him…

    Then BAM!
    He lets them have it. Proving once again they are lying sleaze bags AND getting a discussion going about the appointment of Supreme Court Justices during the next four years and the threat to our Bill of Rights. (There is also the very subtle hint about what the 2nd Amendment is really for, the hunting of Traitors and Tyrants not Bambi.)

    So what is more effective? Millions dollars in TV ads where people get up and get another beer or take a potty break, or a controversy where people actually have to think about something?

  41. Gail Combs says:

    Just as a side note, I think Trump is a very effective boss if this is his style. Call a meeting toss out a 1/2 an idea to get the discussion going. No one is then worried about contradicting the boss and he gets the advantage of the fertilization from multiple ideas.

    Trump is also not at all loath to ask lots of questions of janitors, taxi drivers, cops and anyone else he comes in contact with. I think if we get him into office he will be one of the greatest presidents we have ever had. Especially if We the People continually KICK BUTT and make our reps in DC actually do as promised.

  42. Oliver K. Manuel says:

    I agree and sent Trump this personal invitation to see the end of eighty years (1936-2016) of deception about the Sun and nuclear energy.


  43. Another Ian says:

    David Ball says:
    11 August 2016 at 7:46 pm

    We live in the more remote parts of Australia and people were amazed that we had a TV and video player but no antenna. The response to how did the boys get on is

    “Three readers out of three” and that raising them to think and question leads to some interesting moments – more for others than the parents fortunately so far.

  44. Aron says:

    I quit voting federally in the last election in Canada. I came to the realization after a very long period on this blue planet that no politician is going to “save me” or make my life any better (unless of course they start repealing bad laws one by one but that ain’t going to happen anytime soon). At the very least, a vast majority of politicians of all stripes are not there to look out for our best interests, but rather, serve their masters in exchange for comfort and immunity.

    There are probably a small percentage of good ones out there (e.g., hard for one to come to mind but perhaps Congress woman D-Cynthia McKinney was someone with integrity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px1t1-a9uxk) and perhaps some good ones at the local level. However, most politicians are really just in it for themselves and probably couldn’t earn a dime in the “real world” if their life depended on it.

    The typical politician has no problem selling the people out for their own personal gain. Even more sadly, there is another group of politicians that have been completely corrupted through bribery or through blackmail, or are simply just evil.

    Some of them could surely be described as psychopaths, and I would surmise, occur much more commonly within these higher ranks of society than in the general population. Just google Cathy O’Brien or Fiona Barnett and read Cathy’s book or watch some of their Youtube videos if you haven’t already if you find my statement above hard to believe. The information they present is sobering to say the least but I believe they are telling the truth.

    There are some very deranged yet powerful individuals that exist at the highest level of our society and yet many people are blindly being led by them down the garden path to an Orwellian/ Huxlean world because of their ignorance. I’m not interested in being dragged down with them, but without a higher percentage of self-aware individuals making better choices in their own lives, the psychopaths are going to continue to have the upper hand and will continue on with their plan for complete control of mass majority.

    I beleive if everyone learned how to apply logic in their daily lives (particularly when reading newspapers and watching news) this would be the greatest factor that could help bring about positive changes in so many ways in our societies.

    Best to all.

  45. Aron says:

    David Ball – good comment. I agree with you completely. People appear to have been manipulated and brainwashed to such a large degree by our media in Canada. Thankfully there are people like yourself who are raising their children to think critically and be creative. Maybe there is hope!?

  46. Another Ian says:


    Seen this?

    “Chris c | August 12, 2016 12:24 AM | Reply

    Hillary’s medical records leaked. From Zero Hedge poster: postafoa02 Aug 11, 2016 5:47 PM

    Comment at


  47. Oliver K. Manuel says:

    I am not a fan of Hillary, but I sincerely hope this report is unfounded.

    There is little doubt that world leaders suffer from arrogant abuse of power, and the US NAS shares responsibility for misusing science to advance their own control over research funds.

    Hopefully the London GeoEthics Conference on 8-9 Sept 2016 will bring an end to abuse of science by the UN and UNAS (United National Academies of Sciences).

  48. philjourdan says:

    @Gail – since when do criminals use the law to prosecute their fellow thugs?

  49. philjourdan says:

    @Aron – Cynthia McKinney? The moonbat that never found a tyrant she did not like?

    Please! Find someone else. She had absolutely NO integrity.

  50. H.R. says:

    I was running errands and heard a Hillary soundbite from one of her ghost rallies (few of the living were in attendance, so the rest of the reported throng must have been ghosts).

    She plainly stated (from my memory of the soundbite), “I am not going to try to get rid of the 2nd Amendment. I am not going to take away your guns.”

    For some odd reason the following came to mind,“If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan.”

  51. E.M.Smith says:

    I’m back in Calif. now. Long tale to follow… 38 hours of driving without a starter working… Shrievport to San Jose without a bed…

    I slept 9 or 10 hours last night, been up 4, and I’m thinking a nap sounds good ;-)

    I’d complain, but The Donner Party took months for the same run and ate their family and friends… so maybe my hardships need perspective…

    Oh, and Gas Buddy web site doesn’t play well with Safari browser… slide the map, it reverts to unleaded prices on diesel tags. Reality was that Truck Stops do look to be price fixing. Shocking to see Standard Oil and Exxon as the low price stations… I ran more Standard than on any other trip… Got Diesel at $1.90 $1.97 1.99 at Smith’s, Murphy /Walmart and others while Truck Stops were $2.25 to $2.45 and Standard was $2.09 often just a block away.

    A 10% to 15% uplift is not a competive pricing…

    Very different from prior years when truck stops were always cheapest. Clearly industry collusion or price fixing / price laedership. Truckers need to price shop off the interstate away from the truck stop cluster. 100 gallons, we’re talking $25…

    Well, time unload the car… maybe after cocoa and a nap ;-)

  52. gallopingcamel says:

    Apparently intelligence related to ISIS has been doctored:

    Once again we have been misled by our own government.

  53. Aron says:

    philjourdan – If what you say is true then I stand corrected. As I indicated, it was hard for any politician to come to mind I thought had any integrity. Perhaps that number is closer to zero than I imagined :)

    It does seem though that there are a lot of people that still “believe” their politicians and their party is going to “save the day”. The lovefest in Canada for our “savior” Trudeau is but one example, and his “crowning” was right out of the playbook from the US when they ushered in the “peace President” Obama in 2008). Improving the state of our societies is simply not going to happen in this day and age — too many people are mind controlled by TV, news, drugs, the trauma induced by 9/11, not to mention the level of corruption baked into the system at all levels of government.

    I suppose, if I was a US citizen and someone had a gun to my head (figuratively of course) and ordered me to vote for either Trump or Clinton, well, I’d probably say pull the trigger (haha). To give a straight answer though, I’d have to vote for Trump by default on the basis of Clinton’s criminal past and psychosis.

    I wish all the best of luck for a better future for all, but in my view, major decision-making power needs to be brought back to the smallest units in society (family, local community).


  54. philjourdan says:

    @Aron – at one time, I would have vouched for some politicians. But if this year has taught me nothing else, it is that they are all the same. I have no respect for any of them, even the ones I think are “ok”. And that is because they have not been in office long enough to show us their contempt for us.

  55. Gail Combs says:

    I look at the severe damage done to this country; the damage to our economy; the hollowing out of our manufacturing and infrastructure; and then add in the massive debt and I wonder if there is any hope of clawing our way back out of the pit our politicians dumped us in.

    Obummer DOUBLED the national debt and did NOTHING constructive. We are much worse off than we were 8 years ago. The Trans-Pacific Partnership will kill this country off completely if Hitlery gets in and adds massive taxes on top of the massive immigration from Mexico and the Middle East.

  56. Aron says:

    E.M.Smith — US fuel prices are steal compared to Canada. I pay $1.09CAN/litre for diesel fuel which works out to be $5.62US/gal ($1.09 x 1.29 currency exchange x 4 litres per US gal), which is 2.3x more than the highest price you listed. I realize our infrastructure costs are higher here but our taxes are through the roof!

  57. Another Ian says:


    You’re better off than us. Around here diesel is about $A 1.20 per litre which is about $US 6.27 per US gallon. And it has been up around $A 1.60 per litre in the not too distant past

  58. Aron says:

    E.M.Smith / Another Ian — Shoot. I made a fatal error with my math, in particular the currency exchange. Things aren’t quite as bad as I last stated (although still not great). $1.09CAN/litre x 0.772 currency exchange x 4 litres per US gal = $3.37USD per gal (not $5.62USD per gal as I previously indicated). Guess I wouldn’t make a great banker! I’m out here in the BC interior.

  59. E.M.Smith says:


    Note it is 3.785 L/galUS… not 4… maybe try artisric employment instead of banking :-)

  60. gallopingcamel says:

    Just got back from Alabama. Not much compared to the travels of our leader but quite a challenge for this old f**t.

    @Aron. Remember Diogenes? Like you he was looking for an honest person. May you enjoy more success than he did.

    Our founding fathers understood human frailties so they gave us “Institutions” founded on a written constitution. Sadly the ruling elite has corrupted our institutions and that is why our nation is in decline.

  61. gallopingcamel says:

    Right on as usual.

    Obama has somehow managed to set race relations back 30 years by corrupting the justice system and demonizing the police.

  62. Another Ian says:


    Elaine Kerr
    August 12, 2016 at 8:33 am · Reply

    Subject: Fw: Do you know this man?

    He is Edward“Ed” Mezvinsky, born January 17, 1937. Then you’ll probably say, “Who is Ed Mezvinsky?”

    Well,he is a former Democrat congressman who represented Iowa’s 1st congressional district in the United States House of Representatives for two terms, from 1973 to 1977. He sat on the House Judiciary Committee that decided the fate of Richard Nixon.

    He was outspoken saying that Nixon was a crook and a disgrace to politics and the nation and should be impeached. He and the Clintons were friends and very politically intertwined for many years.

    Ed Mezvinsky had an affair with NBC News reporter Marjorie Sue Margolies and later married her after his wife divorced him.
    In 1993, Marjorie Margolies-Mezvinsky, then a freshman Democrat in Congress, cast the deciding vote that got President Bill Clinton’s controversial tax package through the House of Representatives.

    In March 2001, Mezvinsky was indicted and later pleaded guilty to 31 of 69counts of bank fraud, mail fraud, and wire fraud. Ed Mezvinsky embezzled more than $10 million dollars from people via both a Ponzi scheme and the notorious Nigerian e-mail scams.

    He was found guilty and sentenced to 80 months in federal prison. After serving less than five years in federal prison, he was released
    in April 2008 and remains on federal probation. To this day, he still owes $9.4 million in restitution to his victims.
    About now you are saying, “So what!”

    Well, this is Marc and Chelsea Mezvinsky.

    That’s right; Ed Mezvinsky is Chelsea Clinton’s father-in-law.
    Now Marc and Chelsea are in their early thirties and purchased a $10.5 million dollar NYC apartment.

    Has anyone heard mention of any of this in any of the media? If this guy was Jenna or Barbara Bush’s, or better yet, Sarah Palin’s daughter’s father-in- law, or better still Donald Trump’s daughters father-in-law, the news would be an everyday headline and every detail would be reported over and over.

    And yet they say there are no double standards in political reporting. And people are already talking about Hilarious as the next President! And then there is possibly Chelsea for president in future!

    Chelsea Clinton earned $600,000 a year when working forNBC and now works for the Clinton Foundation and sits on many boards.
    The cycle never ends! Lying and corruption seem to make some candidates more popular.

    “ America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.” Abraham Lincoln.

    Wake up People!

    [Ok had some time and part is apparently correct according to SNOPES http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/mezvinsky.asp The part about Soros is apparently not correct [SNIPPED] but may need more investigation. From Snopes: “Some versions of this item claim that Chelsea Clinton and Marc Mezvinsky’s wedding was hosted at “George Soros’ mansion.” This is false: the couple was married at the Astor Courts in Rhinebeck, New York, an historic property owned by Kathleen Hammer and Arthur Seelbinder.”]ED

    [Apparently most of the rest is true. The Chelsea job for $600k checks out, more here. And indeed Chelsea’s in laws were both politicians, and her father in law was jailed for fraud. –Jo

  63. Gail Combs says:

    SNOPES is very left leaning.

  64. E.M.Smith says:

    Well, nearing normal, at last… still have a bit of ear ache from some infection causing swelling, but not too bad. The SitUpon doesn’t want to be sat upon yet, so posting while sitting at the desk delayed more. Feet and palms report discomfort, but no longer hurt when pressed. I seem to be caught up on sleep and food. Finally realizing the driving ordeal is over.

    I’m surprized folks are focusing on fuel price differential between countries due to tax policy, while ignoring the ILLEGAL activity of price fixing in truck stops. Raising transport cost for all trucked goods by 10% is a major cost issue.

    The Trump & Hillary show goes on with nothing changing, and Hillary being supported by millions who evidently love corruption. Oh well…

    Maybe I need a cup of tea before facing the day…

  65. cdquarles says:

    Did you enjoy yourself while in Rainsville and see some of the sights in and near Sand Mountain?

    Gasoline, other fuel, and road use taxes vary considerably in these United States. Cheap gas runs around $1.80 here, taxes included. Expensive gas runs around $1.90, for regular. Add about $0.30 for each step in grade up. Cheap premium gas will be about $2.40 and expensive premium will run about $2.50 per gallon (US). One gallon is a bit over 3 and 3/4 liters/litres. The Imperial gallon is a bit larger volume than the US one. On-road Diesel (low sulfur) runs about the price of premium gas. High-sulfur diesel can, I believe, still be found for off-road use. This will be much cheaper for it will hot have road-use taxes added.

  66. Gail Combs says:

    You are correct about the price gouging of truckers E.M.

    A couple of other points.
    1. Because of stiff hours on duty requirements, truckers do not have the time to go hunting lower prices even if they could find one with enough room to get to the pump. They also have a dispatcher trying to squeeze every last minute out of the driver leaving zero excess for any type of delay.

    2. A major effort was made to drive independents out of business a decade or two ago. This means as a driver you do not give a rats rear end about the price because the company picks up the tab and the company just raises the transport prices for the stores.

    So yes the consumer gets screwed once again.

  67. Another Ian says:


    Down-side of electronic voting


    and link

  68. gallopingcamel says:

    cdquarles, 13 August 2016 at 4:14 pm,
    The classes in Rainsville went well so we finished a little early on Friday which enabled me to drive the 600 miles to Florida arriving early yesterday morning. My wife is incapacitated so I was rushing home to relieve my youngest son who was looking after her.

    I have one more class in Rainsville in November after which I will be retiring for the third time and probably final time. I found it a lot easier to quit smoking than to quit working!

  69. gallopingcamel says:

    The US election has monopolized the conversation here for a while so in the spirit of “Off Topic” or “Comic Relief” here is a snippet on “Global Warming”.

    August 10 is supposed to be high summer even in the Alps so why is it snowing at 2,000 meter elevation:

    OK, I hear you! Cold weather is just weather while hot weather is “Climate Change”.

  70. Oliver K. Manuel says:

    It is ~70 F in Cape Girardeau, MO with flooding and more rain falling. The energy source that controls Earth’s climate and human destiny will not much longer be hidden from the public.

  71. Larry Ledwick says:

    I am on the road myself at the moment, a few miles outside beautiful down town Wendover Ut. sitting beside my van on the bonneville salt flats (well actually on the mud flats nearby. I have confirmed that facebook it a huge data pig. I have been able to check mail and look at posts at forums like here, but facebook would simply not load until I relocated tonight to a different position so I had a better signal to the providers tower. Facebook needs to load several megabytes (10 -20 meg) of data just to display the home page. If I had not promised to post some pictures for some friends I would not even bother but it has been an educational experience. It would be nice if they had a text only version (like in dial up days) so it did not need to download 30 pictures of people’s dinner, their cat, and the new plants in the back yard before you can even see your own posts and comments to them.

    (yes I know EM Face book is the devil — but for some social interactions it is a necessary devil)
    Cheers to everyone.
    Got to see a couple 400+ mph passes (Danny Thompson Challenger II set a new record this morning with a pass at 411 mph)
    My posting will be thin for a while but wanted to drop in and say hi.

  72. Larry Ledwick says:

    Oh side tidbit on low power operation (ie post disaster or camping) a common thin white plastic grocery bag inflated and tied off suspended in front of an LED light makes a nice little light diffuser for general no glare illumination.

  73. E.M.Smith says:

    @Power Grab:

    I put that in the category of “Party Tricks”… Kind of (well, a lot of…) useless; but fun to bring up at a party.

    THE major issue with it is that first you must have infected that air-gapped computer via physical access. IF you had physical access, just download the drive to your USB gizmo…

    They found that their hack could transmit enough 0s and 1s for a stream of data, including passwords. However, the transmission rate is quite slow at only 180 bits per minute, and the range is only effective at up to six feet.

    So 3 baud to a distance of 6 feet… Sorry, but I’m not going to worry about it…

    (Baud is a bit / second, roughly, they have 180 / minute or 180 / 60 baud… BAD modems are 9600 baud and OK ones 56,000 baud… wifi much faster in mega-baud)

    It is a nice conversation starter when things are slow before the 3rd beer ;-)

    (The “classical” form of this one was using the old reel-to-reel tape drives and optically reading their position changes via binoculars via a window… and about as useful… Things that maybe NSA and TLAs worry about, the rest of us not so much.)

    These are of the form “What kind of transmitter can I make out of the existing hardware of the machine if I already have control of it?” and the answers are many, and fun, but generally useless “for all practical purposes”…

  74. E.M.Smith says:

    OH, and my apologies to all for slow posting… Turns out once the “cool down” got underway I was more fried than I’d thought… Something about a 14 hour drive, 5 hours sleep, then a 38 hour drive kinda takes it out of a fella… So I’ve been sleeping more than usual ;-)

  75. Jeff says:

    @Power Grab and E.M.:
    I rather like this usage of (floppy) disc hardware (the floppotron):

    and “smells like nerd spirit” (though I like Al Yankovic’s version best):

    Here’s how he did it:

    Good that you’re back and well-rested. We used to do that drive every year when I was a kid, from CA to the East Coast, using the various interstates (far south, south, middle, north, far north) and whatever bits were’t done we’d use whatever roads were at hand. Sometimes end up a *cough* few miles out of the way. And then there were the signs that said turn off all radios, etc., due to blasting taking place. Real confidence-builder, that :)

  76. Gail Combs says:

    EM, my Doc back in my college days told me you make up sleep at an hour for hour basis.

    Now here is an interesting bit Obama Administration Set To ‘Oversee’ U.S. Elections

    Seems the Federal government forced the states into using computers in the first place.

    link LameCherry is downright weird but sometimes links to interesting stuff. (Verify before trusting)

  77. Gail Combs says:

    How bad is voter fraud in the USA ? — BAD!
    And Obama acknowledged this when he sent the IRS and other federal agencies to harass Catherine Engelbrecht, founder of True The Vote. LINK

    This compilation of voter fraud was removed from the website but is in the Waybackmachine archives.

  78. Gail Combs says:

    Voter fraud

    Hacking Democracy – Full Documentary

  79. Gail Combs says:

    I just saw this interesting map of the Arctic when looking for a current Arctic sea ice satellite image. It shows the Mean Ice Motion January to June for 2006 to 2016 (left) vs January to June for 2016 only. Notice the flow of ice OUT of the Arctic in the left hand image compared to this year’s image.

    This is the best explanation of the reason for the decadal Arctic Ice loss I have seen and it is not because of melting.

    (Of course you have to be able to read maps….)

  80. H.R. says:

    I just saw on the Fox crawler that “GOP asking Justice Department to file perjury charges.” That referred to charges against Hillary regarding her e-mails.

    Show of hands: raise your hand if you think the Justice Department will pay any attention to that request.
    Hmmm… not seeing any hands raised out there.

  81. Aron says:

    Interesting article about Hillary’s possible health condition:


  82. Gail Combs says:

    Can you see anyone actually considering Hitlery Clinton as a viable candidate 50 to 60 years ago in the 1950 to 60s?

    People back then would consider it some kind of joke!

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