China Joining Russia in Syria

On R.T. they had a story of China sending support and “trainers” to Syria. With Russia now flying out of Iran, we’ve got a ‘3 way’ of support for Assad shaping up… “Oh Dear!” for Obummers strategy…

https://www.rt.com/news/316705-china-syria-isis-fight/

Looks like others have the story too…

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/09/26/world-view-chinas-military-heads-for-syria-supposedly-to-join-russia/

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22 Responses to China Joining Russia in Syria

  1. H.R. says:

    From your 1st link, E.M.

    Russia’s president added that US attempts to train a Syrian opposition to take on Islamic State have failed. The US had aimed to prepare up to 12,000 fighters, but only 60 managed to complete the training and only four or five actually fought with the opposition, while others fled to IS with American weapons, Putin said, citing US Senate hearings.

    Putin; playing the U.S. like a violin.

    My assumption is that the plan approved by Obama was designed to fail. He wants the U.S. to be perceived as a bumbling third rate power.

  2. H.R. says:

    The 2nd link speculates that China is cozying up to the Saudis with the Saudis expecting China to provide military protection.

    The timing is interesting. I’d think the Chinese and Saudis had looked at a Trump Presidency scenario early on when Trump was out stumping for the nomination. Trump as President does not bode well for the Saudis, whereas the Chinese market for cars and oil is only going to continue to go up. China/Saudi Arabia seems like a sound strategic alliance to me.

  3. Chazz says:

    Perhaps the Russian and Chinese pilots can use Obama’s red line as a navigation aide for their bombing runs.

  4. Oliver K. Manuel says:

    This public announcement is an ominous warning of a “false flag” event on the horizon.

  5. Larry Ledwick says:

    this also makes sense if you think in strategic terms. It is an opportunity for China and Russia to do coordinated military operations without the usual cover of “exercises”. If they anticipate taking coordinated military actions in the future, knowing that the US is over extended and cannot effectively counter two super power class opponents at the same time (even if we had a competent commander in chief). I think both of them see a strategic window over the next 6 months or so that only appears once every couple generations, and incompetent commander in chief, an exhausted military (US) with worn out equipment, and lack of appreciation of real strategic threats. Think where the world was in the mid to late 1930’s no one wanted to face the oncoming growth of militaristic Japan and a re-arming Germany.

    China thanks to its one child policy has a generation of military age males it could feed into a meat grinder and hardly notice the loss. China has already set up agreements with Iran for oil, and if Iran shut down the gulf of Hormuze it would cripple the entire western world due to the cut off of oil shipments. If the US made a crash effort to make up the oil loss with fracking etc. It would take a year or more to ramp up production enough to make a dent.

    It is called a perfect storm of vulnerabilities and converging power plays all coming together.

  6. catweazle666 says:

    “China thanks to its one child policy has a generation of military age males it could feed into a meat grinder and hardly notice the loss.”

    Scary…

  7. Gail Combs says:

    This explains War and the Interdependence Theory.
    Dale C. Copeland, “Economic Interdependence and War: A Theory of Trade Expectations,” International Security, Vol. 20, no.4 (Spring 1996)

    World Interdependence is the goal for both the IMF and WTO Director-General Pascal Lamy.
    (For IMF see: Convergence, Interdependence, and Divergence, Finance & Development, September 2012, Vol. 49, No. 3 http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2012/09/dervis.htm )

    For Pascal Lamy and Ian Goldin (University of Oxford )

    Rethinking International Institutions

    The simple fact is that with interconnectedness comes interdependence. In order to protect the global commons, world leaders must pursue shared solutions as inclusively and efficiently as possible – a process that can be accomplished only through international institutions. Failure to do so would threaten the tremendous progress that globalization has facilitated in recent decades….

    …In order to increase the productivity of global negotiations, the Oxford Martin Commission recommends creating coalitions of motivated countries, together with other actors, such as cities and businesses. As outcomes improve, international bodies’ legitimacy would be strengthened, which over time would enhance countries’ willingness to delegate powers to them.

    Moreover, the commission proposes creating voluntary platforms to facilitate the creation of global treaties in vital areas. For example, a taxation and regulatory exchange would help countries to tackle tax avoidance and harmonize corporate taxation, while promoting information sharing and cooperation. Likewise, a cyber-security data-sharing platform could prove vital to understanding, preventing, and responding to cyber attacks.

    As governments learn to collaborate with one another and with other actors, such as businesses and civil-society groups, faith in the power of international cooperation would be restored. In such an environment, breaking the gridlock on urgent global issues would be far easier than it has become in the current atmosphere of disillusionment and mistrust.

    (wwwDOT)project-syndicate.org/commentary/pascal-lamy-and-ian-goldinpropose-mechanisms-for-improving-global-governance-and-cooperation#vmmmppk181rXXIfl.99

    Obviously with all this international economic interdependence, the shipping of US technology and jobs to other countries the reaching out of US leaders such as Bill and Hitlery Clinton, Obama and John Kerry, war is no longer a threat. Therefore the USA can ignore Russia’s manuvers like Putin moves in eastern Europe;
    moves to establish naval bases in Cuba; Venezuela, and Nicaragua;
    flight testing advanced nuclear weapon capable ballistic missiles;
    provides nuclear technology to Iran;
    and establishes alliances with China
    While China is saber rattling in ‘a declining state of stability and security in the South China Sea’
    Our leaders just need to keep their eyes trained on the real goal, fighting Climate Changer ERrrr establishing Global Governance.

  8. Gail Combs says:

    Unfortunately these idiots forgot one very important thing. China’s lasting hatred for the West.

    “A passage from an essay by the Australian defense analyst Paul Monk is very telling on the subject of what President Xi intends for Asia’s near future:”

    In any case, Xi Jinping, despite his genial smile, good English, and familiarity with the United States, is no reforming liberal. Shortly after assuming the presidency, he took all the members of his politburo with him to the bizarre museum the Party has built in Tiananmen Square – the museum of national humiliation and revival. He pointed out to them the exhibits showing the arrival of the Jesuits via Macao in the sixteenth century and how this had been the beginning of the infiltration and humiliation of China by the West. He pointed out the exhibits showing the Japanese invasions of China and making the unfounded assertion that the Japanese were defeated by the Communist Party with a little help from “good” Nationalist generals. The Americans, he said, then became the enemy. “Against this external enemy,” he told China’s inner group of top leaders, “we must stick together.”

    “To erase the shame of its century of national humiliation, China will need to have an unequivocal victory over somebody….” China Picks at the Scab to Keep the Wound Fresh

    Lessons of history: China’s century of humiliation

    The repercussions of British opportunism in China during the Opium Wars can be felt in geopolitics even today

  9. Gail Combs says:

    All this does not leave a warm fussy feeling especially since the results of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Chernobyl are now in….

  10. bob sykes says:

    These two reports are hilariously delusional, as is usual with these guys, especially Debkafile. If there is an “aircraft carrier” at Tartus, it is the Adm. Kuznetsov, which is officially called an “aircraft carrying heavy missile cruiser. Debkafile clowns are confused because the Liaoning is a sister ship to the Kuznetsov, two of a planned four that never materialized because of the collapse of the USSR.

    The Breitbart post is especially hilarious because they claim to have a model that predicts a Chinese alliance with Saudi Arabia against Russia. They obviously are living in a cave somewhere without WiFi and haven’t been reading the news for the last few years. Russia and China have been gradually putting together an alliance of sorts to offset the US/NATO/Japan thingy. Chinese military might be in Syria as observers, but there isn’t any evidence (these nonsensical links not withstanding) that Chinese troops are in Syria to fight.

    Even al fin wouldn’t link to these guys.

  11. philjourdan says:

    Rot always happens from the inside out. We will not see the true destruction of the US by this administration until after he is gone, but he will still be blaming Bush.

  12. omanuel says:

    China, Russia, USA, Germany, United Kingdom have secretly worked together to hide reality from the public since since Kissinger flew to China and agreed to end the Apollo program to end the “Cold War” with Russia and China:

    http://ierj.in/journal/index.php/ierj/article/view/409/386

  13. omanuel says:

    Here is your invitation to the unveiling of the source of energy that made all of the elements, birthed the solar system, and sustains every atom, life and planet. E = mc2 has been hidden from the public for 111 years (1905-2016):

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/ENERGY.docx (Change ending to .pdf for Adobe)

  14. E.M.Smith says:

    @H.R.:

    “My assumption is that the plan approved by Obama was designed to fail. He wants the U.S. to be perceived as a bumbling third rate power.”

    Don’t you mean:

    My assumption is that the plan approved by Obama was designed to fail. He wants the U.S. to be perceived as a bumbling third rate power.

    Just sayin’…

    Per China and Saud:

    BINGO! China has a broad vision of replacing the USA as the “world hegemon” . How better to achieve that than “capturing the oil supply” of the rest of the globe… and using it for their own development and prosperity.

    For the House of Saud: I’m sure they tire of the American’s tendency to blow in the wind from decade to decade; never keeping a constant and dependable course… Then consider that Iran / Shiia is their real nemesis… and what better than to have a major ally at their back door… Now add in Russia and China both being a bit cozy with Iran at the moment, the Saudi are smart enough to know they want to peel off one of those supporters for their own… It won’t be Russia, so China is the obvious choice. From the Chinese perspective, they do a “head fake” toward Iran, then smile a becoming smile at Saudi… all the better to make a good deal …

    IMHO, it’s fairly likely we could end up with Russia and China “patrolling” the oil lanes out of the Gulf of Persia instead of the USA, and in under a decade… HRC wants to be “Obama in a dress” (or blue pants suit…) and Trump doesn’t see us getting our percentage out of the Middle East. Neither one cares about it anymore; and really, we ought not to care since we are up to our eyeballs in American Oil (all the Americas…) and if Europe won’t defend their interests and is busy importing Muslims by the million, well, I see no reason for us to defend their access. Just wait a generation and they will be inside the Caliphate anyway with all the oil on tap… “You can’t fix stupid.” but you can avoid being a party to it…

    @Chazz:

    Good one! (But it’s too far behind the front lines to be very useful now ;-)

    @Oliver:

    I don’t see the “false flag” of which you speak… but then again, I’ve been effectively “off line” for a couple of weeks and ditzy from no sleep for one of them… but yeah, that’s a standard tactic for Putin and China (though China usually goes all the way to active proxy war – see N. Korea…)

    @Larry:

    I think the target of any oil cutoff is Europe, not the USA. We’re to the point where we can almost start exporting…

    But Russia (gas) and China / Iran (oil) can exercise effective control of Europe; add in an alliance with the “Muslim World” and you could have Europe chopped up and distributed to the parties in no time flat (though China would likely just be playing for the oil access – pipelines overland, and ex-colonial properties in Africa / Asia rather than actual dirt in Europe… they would just want the competition out of the way…)

    So vision a world with the recapture of Southern Europe by the Moors (as the Koran demands) and with the north a Russian Stripy… China free of European issues in Africa and Asia and with all that loverly oil ‘going forward’…

    The only ones to lose are the Europeans (going out of existence demographically anyway) and the USA (set aside as an also ran in the geopolitics of the Old World).

    Does anyone really think that if Russia and China took effective control of the Gulf “to fight ISIS” and then told the USA to “keep clear”… that we’d start W.W.III over it? For European access to Middle East oil? As the Europeans do “not much” in their usual way?

    I figure about 2 months we’ll see whatever their game plan might be, starting to manifest clearly.

    Obummer would not want his legacy to end with “started W.W.III” and neither HRC nor Trump would be in position to act yet. So they would get about a 4 month window of “free hand” from Sept to Dec.

    @Catweazel666:

    “Demographics is Destiny” is a mantra of Economics. It is vastly underappreciated in importance. From how big your economy can be, to how big your army, to what language you will be speaking 2 generations on…

    China has a surplus of males. A large surplus. Take a 1.4 Billion is it? population and figure about 800 Million males with about a 10% overage. That’s an army of 80 Million….

    Yeah, that bad…

    There was an old Russian saying / joke during the Mao years:

    1st Month: Comrade, how goes the war? Reply: Very well sir, we’ve captured 100,000 Chinese.

    2nd Month: Comrade, how goes the war? R: Excellent! We’ve captured 1,000,000 Chinese!

    3rd Month: Comrade, how goes the war? R: Exceptional, over 10,000,000 surrendered!

    4th Month: Comrade? R: We have captured 100,000,000 but need to put them somewhere.

    5th Month: Russia surrenders…

    Or something close to that… I think I may have added a layer as I think the original had the surrender of Russia in the 4th month, but you get the idea. “Quantity has a quality all it’s own” and when the other side has more surrender than you have total population, your economy collapses…

    @Gail:

    Yes, that tendency for the Euro-Idiots to think they can control the world via the old methods of making groups hate each other ( Iran construction, now used globally) and have dependence on each other (British India and British Manufactures) fails to realize that China is no longer a backward agricultural based country with people who don’t care for the Emperor…

    There’s a new crop in China. One playing for World Domination. First step is to remove The West from dominance, and our “dependence” on them is now near the point of completion.

    @Bob Sykes:

    OK, you can toss rocks. So what is your view of what is happening? A nice tea and biscuits?

    China is getting their first toe into the water of the Middle East. Russia is already spanking Obama there. Saudi is not happy and is looking for new dance partners. Think about it…

    @PhilJourdan:

    The key bit is just to recognize that the global socialists didn’t go away with the fall of the USSR. They still want the destruction of the Nation State and establishment of a Global Workers Paradise. Obama is steeped in Socialism, so naturally he thinks the USA is the problem and things would be better with us part of the global socialism basket. So it is Bush’s fault we haven’t done that yet…

    @Larry:

    Interesting link….

    That the “hacks” are 2013 says they sat on them for a while so as to use them. Releasing them now likely means they have other, better, methods in hand (or these were becoming known anyway).

    BTW, this also shows why I assert that putting in things like backdoors and doing things to NOT close known exploits immediately just gives access to your adversaries.

    ANY hole will be found and exploited. NEVER put in added weaknesses and ALWAYS close a weakness on discovery.

    That said:

    Microsoft software is so full of security holes, caverns, superhighways, mega-pipelines… it just isn’t ever going to be secure anyway, so someone publishing some hacks isn’t really changing the fact your pants were down the whole time.

    Linux is better, the exploits are at least a bit obscure and the fixes come fairly fast; but you have a sliding window of exposure from between a day and a month depending on the exploit and how fast you apply zero-day patches.

    Apple is likely the best. They have a Unix / Linux base, and layer on that a team of folks devoted to applying fixes. If you don’t have your own staff of tech folks to keep your Unix / Linux boxes secure, then using an Apple machine gets you close to that level.

    The “Air Gap” and “intrusion monitor” are your friends…

    Maybe I need to put up a “how to make a Pi based intrusion detection system” posting…

  15. BobN says:

    What a mess.
    Russia has rebuilt its navy, heavy on the Nuclear submarines. they have modernized their ICBMs and have rebuilt the army. Russia can now challenge us once again almost on an equal footing. Their SU35 looks about the equal of our best fighter.

    China has been modernizing the forces for ten years and now can dominate the pacific region. China has built islands to control the South China sea and take away the mainland as a direct target by pushing our Navy too far to sea to strike their industrial cities along their coast. In all the war games the US loses in a pacific war with China. They could take Taiwan whenever they want.

    I guess we need to dust off our Nukes and go back to the cold war, MAD, method of control. Wait, that no longer works as Obama has unilaterally been disarming, all the while Russia and China have modernized their nukes. Our Navy is the smallest it has been since pre-World War I and our Air Force is old and a third of them can not fly at any given time.

    I think we need to learn to back down or learn what it’s like to get our ass kicked.

    The Saudi war ith Yemen is not going well and they are not sure the US will step in and save them, so China is a real possibility.

  16. gallopingcamel says:

    This is what you get when a president disrespects friends like Israel and the UK while smoothing the path for every evil dictator (e.g. Iran and Cuba).

    Boris Johnson understands how offended his countrymen were when Obama returned the Churchill bust::
    “No one was sure whether the President had himself been involved in the decision. Some said it was a snub to Britain. Some said it was a symbol of the part-Kenyan President’s ancestral dislike of the British Empire — of which Churchill had been such a fervent defender.”
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/11/boris-johnson-no-regrets-obama-part-kenyan-remarks

  17. catweazle666 says:

    One of Obama’s relatives – his uncle IIRC – was a member of the Kenyan Mau Mau terrorists who during the war of independence were busily and unpleasantly butchering the white farmers and their families and native farm workers, and was inept enough to be captured and interrogated by the British army, who were apparently somewhat less than kind to him.

    So he hates the British.

  18. Larry Ledwick says:

    Slightly related in respect to the globalist view of the world and diminishing the US.interesting article on Soro’s trying to buy his way to a preferred supreme court ruling on immigration.

    http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/george-soros-caught-trying-to-buy-a-supreme-court-ruling-on-amnesty

  19. gallopingcamel says:

    BobN, 18 August 2016 at 12:22 am
    “In all the war games the US loses in a pacific war with China. They could take Taiwan whenever they want.”

    You don’t understand the ROC (Republic of China). I worked there for many years so I can assure you that the PRC (People’s Republic of China) won’t have to use military force to control the ROC. The ROC will become a province of the PRC because it is in their best interest.

    The PRC will allow the ROC to maintain its current political structures based on the US model with three co-equal branches of government (an Executive, a Legislature and a Judiciary). The ROC also a Ministry of Audit (Control Yuan) which exists to keep the other branches of government honest. The Control Yuan has the power to inflict death (by firing squad) to people who use their government positions to enrich themselves.
    http://www.cy.gov.tw/ct.asp?xItem=3161&CtNode=1770&mp=21

    Given the corruption in the US political establishment we need a “Ministry of Audit” to deter corrupt office holders such as Bill and Hillary Clinton.

  20. Gail Combs says:

    I wish the US public had the right to seat a Grand Jury to look into public corruption instead of depending on the Judicial system.

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