Have These Idiots Never Been To Vegas?

Just a short gripe:

The Talking Heads reading their DNC supplied Talking Points are all Panties-in-a-Bunch because Trump, at one of his Clubs / Resorts / Whatever, was hiring women who looked good as staff. Why, oh WHY??? they wail didn’t he want to hire fat and ugly women?

Well catch a clue, idiots, they don’t hire fat bald old guys with a paunch to be Chippendales either. Have none of these folks ever been to Las Vegas? Or even Disney World? They ALL put “good looking people” out front in customer contact areas. They all put the ‘also ran’ in the back room. I know, I’m a back room guy…

Look, I’d love to have the male lead in the “Beauty And The Beast” show, but it Is Not Going To Happen because I’m too FAT, too OLD, and not good looking enough. A 5 foot 2 inch 50 year old housewife with a midriff bulge is NOT going to be a showgirl in Vegas either. Nor likely to be serving at the VIP lounge to ‘whales’.

So let me get this straight: The “goods” they have on Trump is that as a businessman running service enterprise for very wealthy clients, he wanted to staff his places with folks who looked good as part of the image of the place? That’s IT? Golly. Guess it’s time to fire Every Single Hiring Manager in Hollywood! I want Brad Pit and Angelina run out of town for being good looking too.

At one time in my career, I ran “Facilities” along with “I.T.”. That included the receptionist. Guess what, I hired the slightly bimbo but real looker for that job. Why? Because her job was “image” and she was good at it. Being a bit bimbo meant she didn’t get bored doing nothing for hours on end. Guess what else: I hired some very smart women to be technical folks too. I was worried a bit about one of them during the interview. She was a hell of a “looker”, and I was worried maybe she wasn’t as bright as I wanted (my ‘positive looks negative bias’, but I overcame it). But her degree was from Cal Poly and she had the right answers. Later I found out she had a modeling portfolio on the side… I hired her to be a programmer because she would be bored shitless as receptionist and had the grades to show it. I’ve also hired dumpy and old and not so good looking men and women for all sorts of jobs, but not as the front door reception. BTW, largest raise I ever got through HR was 36% and that was for a woman. I used their “treat them the same” rules against them in HR… “What, she’s just as good as the men…so deserves the same pay… you mean you want to be unfair to her because she is a woman?” (and got it!).

So does any of that make ME a misogynist? Or does it just mean you match people and their skills and attributes to the job requirements?

(Oh, and on some occasions I worked the Front Desk myself when someone was out or late. It was clear that folks were not as pleased with a 40 something guy at the desk… More apprehensive about asking questions. The Pause and Look… I think I could have gotten it to work with a 20 something guy… As when I was a 20 something guy I ran the ‘front desk’ at a hospital and it worked. But the key bit is it is the customer who determines what will work well, and what doesn’t. Not the manager. Though other staff had good fun at my expense ;-)

BTW, highest paid woman I directly worked with was a VP who was a bit overweight and so-so on looks. Not being stuck at the reception desk didn’t seem to have hurt her prospects… but I’d not want to see her at Hooters waiting tables… OTOH, most of the Hooters Girls couldn’t balance a financial statement if they tried… but they make really good money for being who they are. Just like the Lucha Underground men and the dum dums playing football… but most of them I’d not want programming for me. The skill must match the job, and for “on stage public contact” that skill is often “looks good and talks sweet”.

My Bias: I grew up in a family restaurant. My Sisters made good tips and fair money waiting tables, the cooks tend to older, heavier and also make good money, but have to sweat a bit more for it (kitchens are hot). Image matters “front of house”, not so much “back of house”. Even in a little farm town. “in a pinch” Dad would wait tables and I even stopped doing the busboy thing a couple of times to ‘pitch in’ waiting tables (a waitress was late and the rush was on), but while accepting, the customers clearly wanted “the girls” back… Does that make THEM sexist, or does that just mean my sisters were better at ‘chit-chat’? Doesn’t matter. It’s what the customer wants.

So Trump is being vilified for knowing how to run a high end resort. Just like Vegas and Disney do it. OK…

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16 Responses to Have These Idiots Never Been To Vegas?

  1. M Simon says:

    My daughter recently told me about going to school in France. She is a looker (models). In heat transfer class she was explaining a point and the boys were not paying attention. The prof suggested they pay attention because she knows her stuff (she does – I quizzed her more than once). She graduated near the top of her class with a degree in ChemEng. She wants to be a model/actress/write for TV.

    All that money and effort. Ah. Well. Kids.

  2. H.R. says:

    Talk about your lack of self-awareness!

    And how do most weather babes, anchors, and anchorettes get their jobs? It’s on their looks. TV goes for ‘really good looking’ or ‘projects trustworthiness.’

    o Ex Miss Beauty Pageants or guys with good looks, great hair and, and an easy smile. (The beauty queens are generally sharp because of the interviews and essays. The guys are a crap-shoot for brains.)
    o The ex-good-lookers but age to an I-can-be-really-really-trusted look.
    o Aunt Bea (Mayberry RFD) types though a younger Aunt Bea.

    Pot. Kettle. Black Good-looking.

  3. philjourdan says:

    They claim Hillary Clinton is the most qualified candidate ever. And all she has done is get 4 Americans killed in Benghazi and destabilized the Mideast to allow ISIS to rise. Oh, don’t forget, she also slept her way to the top. IN short, she has nothing to show for her long service that is worth bragging about (indeed, she does not even try, instead equivocating).

    Trump built empires (plural). He knows how to start, and run a business. But that talent is not what Politicians do, so they vilify him. And in reality, it is not what Journalists do either. They are as clueless as College Professors.

    But real people know. They are the ones that start those companies, or get the jobs from the people who start those companies. One of the whines of the past is why do we have so many incompetent folks running government. We now have a chance for a competent one to do it. He is not corrupted by being a politician. He is a real person doing real work making real wealth for many folks. And the MSM hate him (along with establishment politicians).

    All the more reason to ignore them. Probably one of the stupidest comments I have ever seen made is that you have to be “trained” to be a politician. That is pure BS. You merely need to know how to lie like the best of them. Politicians are not an asset. They are a liability.

  4. Ralph B says:

    You could play the Beast…:-)

  5. Gail Combs says:

    Anyone ever notice that they CAN’T FIND ANYTHING to really smear Trump with?

    They tried ‘he treats women bad’. NYT put out a cut and paste job and the Women interviewed and misquoted howled ‘YOU LIED, he is a great guy…’

    Then they tried ‘he was diddling under aged’… OOPs that didn’t fly because his comment to his chauffeur was ‘isn’t it nice Epstein lets the local kids use the pool.’ Walked in, figured it out and left. Bill Clinton on the other hand…. (The guy who so successfully smeared Herman Cain found someone to lie and accuse Trump of rape or whatever but he shut right up when threatened with a law suit he knew he could not win.)

    TAXES, TAXES, we want to see your taxes… Yells the MSM. Trump, ‘the IRS is auditing as they do every year. You can see them when the audit is finished’… (Normal human shrugs and yawns) MSM continues TAXES TAXES… Zinger, ‘I will release my taxes when Hillary releases the 3300 e-mails that she had deleted’…. MSM Silence…

    BANKRUPTCIES, BANKRUPTCIES, BANKRUPTCIES… ‘So? I am in business’…. Me — Dig dig dig… I found that he sold off assets to rescue his businesses as much as possible. He went for reorganization each time that allowed him to keep the business open and people employed.

    Hillary did dig up a few who say they were not paid (where is the proof) Also in business a crappy job does not get paid for. I have a few of those myself.

    They even tried attacking his supporters.
    They MSM says Trump supporters are violent.
    OOPS Protesters Throw Punches, Eggs At Trump Supporters Outside San Jose Rally
    In the Blog-o-spere paid want ads for agitators seen in Craigs list ads and known professional agitators are IDed.

    Then Hillary calls 1/2 of Trump irredeemable Deplorables which backfires all over her esp with the Pepe meme. She also says “That other basket of people are people who feel that the government has let them down…” Her husband at the same time is more blunt and calls them ‘coal people’ the coal miners, and the steel miners and heavy manufacturing that depends on cheap coal fired energy. Bill then LAUGHS at them. These are the people BILL put out of work AFTER they voted for him. So he laughs and says they won’t vote for Hillary this time.

    All the MSM has is NOTHING BURGERS and flat out lies on Trump. But they will not touch any of the numerous juicy scandals and crimes of the Clintons.

  6. gallopingcamel says:

    Hiring practices are of paramount importance when it comes to determining the fate of nations. One of the main factors that causes downward economic spirals such as the one the USA is suffering is a lack of “Economic Mobility”.

    Acemoglu & Robinson in their book “Why Nations Fail” look at historical examples such as Venice in its heyday (13th through 15th centuries). Venice was successful owing to economic and social mobility. Prosperity declined once a power elite put an end to social mobility.

    Sadly the USA is sufferfing from a dangerous lack of economic mobility as explained here:

  7. philjourdan says:

    @Gail – it is not that they cannot find anything significant, it is that Trump does not care. He does not apologize, he attacks! What did they have on Romney? Virtually the same crap. Nothing of substance. But Romney had to defend and apologize. Trump is not. So they try throwing stuff at him, and he throws it back! And that enrages them so they dig up whores from 20 years ago to say he “insulted” her. I am sure they will win the snowflake vote since he violated her
    “safe space”. But a funny thing happened on the way to the safe space. Did you read about Mizzou enrollment being down 20%+? Apparently a lot of people are sick and tired of snowflakes. They are not out there setting up picket lines to picket the idiots. They are quietly boycotting safe spaces and snowflakes and those that condone them.

    The stuff is not sticking because people are tired of fake victims. There are real victims. San Bernadino, Orlando, Cascade, etc. But the MSM is ignoring those because they are not fitting their narrative. But the people are not.

  8. Gail Combs says:

    Phil, You are correct, The Race Card and the CAGW Cards have expired.

    People are not dumb. They look at what is happening in Europe and they do not want it HERE.

    FBI: 7,700 Terrorist Encounters in USA Last Year

    This is hidden by the MSM but it is getting out anyway.

    This is getting out too:

    It was Bill Clinton that tossed those who fell off the unemployment rolls, still without a job into a black hole BTW. So Clinton d@mn well knew he was tossing the American Worker under the bus with signing NAFTA and greasing China’s entry into the WTO and he changed the way unemployment was ‘counted’ to hide the damage done to the USA until he was out of firing range.


    That chart is backed up by this:
    Losing 15 Factories a Day

    … Rep. Betty Sutton of Ohio recently stated: “Every day in the United States, we are losing 15 factories.” The paper’s PolitiFact editor checked out the numbers with the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ Quarterly Census of Employment and Wages. While the rate varied from year to year, over the 10 year period from 2001 to 2010, the United States lost 56,190 manufacturing facilities, or a daily average of 15 plants. Sutton is correct, and it’s a national tragedy.

    1994 is when NAFTA and WTO were ratified. China became a member of the World Trade Organization (WTO) on 11 December 2001.

    You can see the results in this graph from WIKI

  9. Jason Calley says:

    Hey philjordan! ” We now have a chance for a competent one to do it. He is not corrupted by being a politician. ”

    Complaining that Trump should not be President because he has no experience as a politician, is like refusing to hire an accountant because he has no experience in embezzling.

    Hey Gail! “The Race Card and the CAGW Cards have expired.”

    Expired not just for Trump, but expired for all thinking persons. Back in the days when most people still believed the MSM, it was a death blow when someone was accused of being anything equivalent to “racist, sexist, homophobe”! Of course these days, no one believes what the TV says — well, maybe a few die hards, but not many. Similarly, whenever we see the SJWs with their endless accusations, does anyone really believe them? To most people, such accusations now elicit a response of “get lost! Jeez, what an idiot!”

    Decentralized digital information technology is reaching a critical mass of people.

  10. philjourdan says:

    Complaining that Trump should not be President because he has no experience as a politician, is like refusing to hire an accountant because he has no experience in embezzling.

    DAMN! E.M. why do you not have an upvote! Jason needs one for that comment! May I borrow it (with attribution – I am not Joe Biden).

  11. philjourdan says:

    This is priceless!

    It is eerie how close they are!

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  13. Larry Ledwick says:

    This just showed up on twitter a little while ago.
    Food for thought —-


  14. E.M.Smith says:


    That’s a bit creepy… Don’t know how to check veracity on it, but the lingo is “period correct” and We The Pizza fingers DC… so a physical search for the nesting site could be quick. IP sig, then vendor map, overlay DC map of WtP. Penetrate some local routers and sniff.. I think about 1/2 day with luck and knocking on their door … It would take me longer to get there from way out here. Or maybe just call up WtP and ask for the Usual CTR order, and when you get a positive response, follow the truck :-)

    Ah, to be in The Game again… but thats for younger folks now… and it looks like the folks who did the hack have the skilz…

    I do note the CTR folks are befuddled by a real grass roots movement. When the culture and shared values are the “thought leaders”…. Behind this mask, Mr. Creedy, is an idea…

  15. E.M.Smith says:

    Just for grins… I’m saving a text capture of that link here. (I’ve also done a download of the full web page as an html capture). It likely needs more in depth forensics on it than I have time for at the moment to get clue about real vs hoax. But, in any case, It’s snagged (spoiler: It has some very rough language in it):

    Begin QUOTE:

    Correct the Record is a Hillary-campaign super-pac that is dedicated to “fighting the lies” on the Internet. What it is, is a battalion of paid trolls whose job it is to disrupt, demoralize, and defame any Trump supporters and message boards. They communicate using a secure messaging software called “slack” pictured above.

    We were able to get some monitoring software onto a junior analyst’s laptop to take a look inside the slack-channel where they were doing work. What we found was startling. In the fall-out from last night’s debate, they are beginning a new campaign of targeted harassment (or worse) against the “ring leaders” of the decentralized online Trump movement.

    Without a traditional campaign infrastructure to target, it appears they have been reduced to going after the “most influential voices” in the online debate. What exactly this means, we’re not sure (the comment at the end of the conversation wasn’t good though). Below are the screen shots and the full transcript of today’s conversation.

    Begin Transcript
    ekim [5:52 AM]

    ekim [5:52 AM]
    set the channel purpose: clean up this mes

    brock [5:52 AM]
    joined post-debate from an invitation by @ekim

    brock [5:53 AM]
    go round up the others. i need some coffee.

    ekim [5:53 AM]
    will do

    efink [5:54 AM]

    brock [5:54 AM]
    good morning to u to fink.

    efink [5:55 AM]
    the only good thing about it was that whoever that was, she looked pretty good. how tf did they do that?

    brock [5:56 AM]
    i can’t talk. very hush hush. still, we’ve lost every online poll and we need to get tough here. get this under control.

    still, i hope we put the sick thing to bed.

    i hope.

    efink [5:57 AM]
    me 2. do i have time for coffee?

    brock [5:57 AM]
    we’re all gonna need a lot of coffee.

    ekim [5:58 AM]
    shaw is on his way sir.

    i don’t see what’s so bad. She looked really healthy! I thought she did GREAT!

    efink [5:59 AM]
    she was scoring 3 on AMTS a couple of weeks ago and 22 on mmse. Yeah, whoever that was was normal.

    but the telemetry sucks. look at all the snap onlines: we’re losing 100%

    romney v obama numbers

    ekim [6:01 AM]
    but those don’t mean anything

    efink [6:01 AM]
    it means they’re enthusiastic. organized. if they can swarm a poll whats to stop them swarming a voting booth?

    it also creates a counter-nar. the free press will sniff it. we have to stop the bleeding.

    ekim [6:01 AM]

    efink [6:02 AM]
    don’t worry. we have something. GET SHAW OUT OF BED.

    i’m going for coffee.

    cshaw [6:05 AM]

    hi Liz.

    I see we’re not happy :disappointed:

    brock [6:06 AM]
    Not at all.

    cshaw [6:06 AM]
    I read the round-up. It looked good?

    brock [6:07 AM]
    the round up my burning ass. I’m talking about the real world. Trump made her look like a girl. Today we hit back. We hit back hard.


    efink [6:07 AM]
    one sec.

    okay. guys, this is 18-2381 stuff. Got it?

    cshaw [6:10 AM]

    ekim [6:10 AM]
    yes sir.

    efink [6:11 AM]
    alright. we need to move beyond the disruption scripts and down-voting. we need to start hurting people and that’s what this is about. This is about winning because we’ll never get a chance at this again. everything is justified. David?

    brock [6:11 AM]

    fuck–okay. so the Trump team is an emergent order. thirty million little chan and reddit assholes that bump around and then congeal to vote in a poll or push a meme or make a hashtag trend or whatever. This is new. It isn’t like fighting a centrally organized campaign.

    It’s more like fighting a disease.

    So what we need to do is break the pattern. The usual means isn’t working. Trump’s too charismatic. Morale is too high. This is an army of chaos folks.

    so we have full clearance. Word of God.

    Fink–let’s do this. I have a plane to catch.

    efink [6:16 AM]
    uploaded and commented on an image: foxacid.jpg
    1 Comment

    ekim [6:16 AM]

    cshaw [6:16 AM]
    i like it! wtf is it??

    efink [6:17 AM]
    This is manna from heaven, kids.

    We have the use of an NSA intrusion package. We are going to find the thought leaders. the meme-generators. the shit-posters. I need a target analysis for reddit, twitter, and the chans by tomorrow 5 PM.

    You will monitor, identify, and using the FA software set we have, identify/dox.

    cshaw [6:18 AM]
    that will dox them??

    efink [6:20 AM]
    It will man-on-the-side for the anon boards and intercept traffic. We can use that for IP addresses and loading tracking software and magic lantern onto their devices. Once we have them compromised

    David? How many do we need?

    brock [6:21 AM]
    I want 150 from 4chan, whatever you can get from 8. I want 1000 top reddit drivers exposed and I want content analysis for their posts. I want the people who are really driving their narrative.

    I need all that in a packet by tomorrow afternoon with lexical analysis, proof of compromise. I want clips of memes. I want to up-vote patterns. All this has to be inside the US too. We can’t use externals.

    cshaw [6:23 AM]
    It won’t work outside the US?

    efink [6:23 AM]
    It works fine outside the us you idiot. That’s NSA stuff.

    brock [6:24 AM]
    WE don’t work outside the US. Do you think this is fucking bean-bag?

    We are going to disrupt them before this shit goes any further.

    if they don’t have leaders, we’re going to get their thought leaders.

    cshaw [6:24 AM]
    like pajama boy!

    brock [6:25 AM]
    I AM NOT N THE MOOD cshaw

    cshaw [6:25 AM]

    efink [6:26 AM]
    just get us the target profiles. Hit the numbers. Give us a matrix for each of them. Okay? PII, influence grid, recent activity, Q-rate. Like that.

    You know what to do.

    cshaw [6:26 AM]
    Yes sir.

    ekim [6:26 AM]
    What are we going to do with that?

    brock [6:27 AM]
    dof u really want tio fucking know, kim?

    ekim [6:27 AM]
    i’m good.

    brock [6:28 AM]
    u better be. I am going to get a plane. You will be up ALL NIGHT. Keep the lab LOCKED. Fink bring in pizza or whatever to keep the kids going.

    I am out.

    cshaw [6:28 AM]
    does it have to be We the Pizza?

    efink [6:29 AM]
    Brock LIKES WtP. What do you want?

    ekim [6:29 AM]
    Sushi. Sushi would be nice.

    efink [6:30 AM]
    what do you think this is, the Trump campaign. We’re getting pizza from We.

    Get those files together.

    ekim [6:30 AM]
    I’m on it. Do you know what brock is going to do with them? I do kind of want to know, sir.

    efink [6:31 AM]
    google Seth Rich and shut up about it.

    cshaw [6:31 AM]

    well, they are deplorable. idk. I think we should have done this a long time ago.

    efink [6:32 AM]
    get working kids. I’ll check back in a couple. Have something for Brock before he hits the ground. k?

    ekim [6:33 AM]
    I’m sick of We the Pizza.

    cshaw [6:33 AM]


    ekim [6:33 AM]

    Rich Seth is the recently deceased (murdered) whistle-blower who gave information to Wikileaks. FOXACID is NSA software designed to compromise enemy systems. We think ‘word of god’ and ‘heaven’ are code for Obama and the White House.

    If you know anyone who might be a target of this initiative, please let them know to be careful.


    The “let them know” is reminiscent of “chain letters”, and attempt to call for viral spread. That is a (very weak) flag of hoax. FWIW, I’ve just linked to the original image captures ( I’ve saved copies elsewhere) so anyone wanting to look for things hidden in the jpg has theirs, not my copy (and it doesn’t cost me storage points on WordPress).

    If it is a hoax, it is a nicely done one. The “tech talk” is more or less right. The “We The Pizza” reference puts a stamp on DC (or possibly Arlington so near the CIA) then the “WE don’t work outside” the USA is another CIA “hint”. Now, IMHO, no real CIA related folks would say something that clear as a hint, even in what they think is a back channel, but who knows.

    They use all the LEET correctly.

    FOXACID: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2013/12/30/look-at-this-amazing-drawing-the-nsa-made-for-its-hacking-system/

    more interesting bits on the systems in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tailored_Access_Operations#QUANTUM_attacks

    Doxxing is outing someones PII Personal Identifying Information, name, home address and phone, kids names, etc.


    Magic Lantern is a keystroke logger while “man on the side” attacks are a specific approach for insertion using an agent (often via race condition ‘winning’ via having priority with the telcos that only TLA get…) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-on-the-side_attack Though I must note in passing that calling Magic Lantern a “tracking software” is sloppy at best. It’s a logger, not a tracker… just not tidy… Then the sign off of “OOg” Out Of game. The line after “deplorables” has an odd usage of “idk” that often means “I Don’t Know” but would fit with the more recent usage as “Idiot Donkey Knows”.

    I don’t know what they mean by “FA software” (too many choices) or Q-rate (likely some kind of contact fan out metric? by context).

    Plus jargon. AMTS is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbreviated_mental_test_score while MMSE is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini%E2%80%93mental_state_examination and somehow I doubt that Hillary would have consented to counting down by 7s from 100… but who knows, maybe leakage from observing the Doc…

    This line correctly describes “the Movement” (or The Problem from their POV)

    f***–okay. so the Trump team is an emergent order. thirty million little chan and reddit assholes that bump around and then congeal to vote in a poll or push a meme or make a hashtag trend or whatever. This is new. It isn’t like fighting a centrally organized campaign.

    The “brock” I presume is supposed to be David Brock, DNC operative: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brock

    In any case, if true it is damnable, but expected; if a put-up hoax, a fun and well done one by people who know how this stuff works ;-)

    “Beneath this mask, Mr. Creedy, is an idea… and Ideas are bullet proof!”… V

  16. Larry Ledwick says:

    This popped up on twitter, comes out of the JIT (Joint Investigative Team) investigation into the shoot down over Ukraine which has now been well documented to have been by a Russian BUK missile which was sent into Ukraine fired the shot and then hustled back home.

    The instructions listed in this article by the Russian controllers sounds a lot like the effort above.
    Do xyz I need reports on so and so by xx:xx tomorrow etc.


    Sort of makes you wonder if any of our “News” is not managed by some handler some where.

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