Tips – October 2016

About “Tips”:

While I’m mostly interested in things having to do with:

Making money, usually via trading
Weather and climate
Quakes, Volcanoes, and other Earth Sciences
Current economic and political events
(often as those last three have impact on the first one…)
And just about any ‘way cool’ interesting science or technology

If something else is interesting you put a “tip” here as you like.

You can also look at the list of “Categories” on the right hand side and get an idea of any other broad area of interest.

This ought not to be seen as a “limit” on what is “interesting”, more as a “focus list” with other things that are interesting being fair game as well.

The History:

Since WordPress has decided that comments on Pages, like the Tips pages, don’t show up in recent comments, it kind of breaks the value of it for me. In response, I’m shifting from a set of “pages” to a set of “postings”. As any given Tips Posting disappears or gets full, I’ll add a new one. That will restore the broken function.

I will be keeping the same general format, with the T page still pointing to both the archive of Tips Pages as well as the series of new Postings. With that, back to the Tips boiler plate:

This is an “overflow” posting from prior Tips pages as they had gotten so large it was taking a long time to load. Same idea, just a new set of space to put pointers to things of interest. The most immediately preceding Tips posting is:

The generic “T” parent page remains up top, where older copies of the various “Tips” pages can be found archived. I have also added a Tips category (see list at right) and will be marking Tips postings with that for easy location.

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About E.M.Smith

A technical managerial sort interested in things from Stonehenge to computer science. My present "hot buttons' are the mythology of Climate Change and ancient metrology; but things change...
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118 Responses to Tips – October 2016

  1. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting bit from Zerohedge regarding Russia telling citizens with children abroad to bring them home immediately. This could be interpreted many ways – among them that Putin is about to do something that would be problematic for Russians abroad.

    Historical note both Japan and Germany encouraged citizens to “come home” just before WWII started.

    Just putting this for future reference in case it has more significance than it at first appears.

  2. Gail Combs says:

    Trump is now up on child rape charges. Putin probably thinks that means Hillary will be elected.

    It all depends on just how dumb people really are. Remember the infidelity charges sank Herman Cain.

  3. Power Grab says:

    When I first brought this article up:

    It said it had been posted 3 hours before…

    Aleppo is being bombed by the Russians. Article says “intense aerial attack”.

    So are they calling home the students so they can enter the armed forces of Russia?

  4. Larry Ledwick says:

    If that is the one I think it is Gail that is a hoax indictment, don’t have time to look right now though.
    If it is the one I think it is it was looked at by an experienced lawyer and he said lots of irregularities in the paper work.

  5. Gail Combs says:

    This is probably why an Obama appointed judge is helping hang a bogus case on Trump.

    Obama was sending E-mail to Clinton’s private server. If Trump gets in and goes after Clinton, Obama is a co-conspirator.

  6. Gail Combs says:

    Larry, I know it is a hoax you know it is a hoax and so do Rodger Stone, Alex Jones and anyone with a 1/2 brain. While the name of a child would be protected the name of an adult would not and this ghost is now ~35 years of age.

    The problem is the media, whose one and all are Trump’s enemy…. AND the book on Trump’s ‘rapes’ now being released. (There have been several other bogus rape charges filed to lend credence and cover for the author.)

    The 6th Amendment’s Confrontation Clause

    The 6th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution sets out many rights for defendants during a criminal prosecution, including the right of the accused to confront their accusers. The relevant text of the Confrontation Clause of the 6th Amendment reads as follows: In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to be confronted with the witnesses against him.

    The 14th Amendment has made the 6th Amendment’s right to confrontation applicable to state court as well as federal court.

    The confrontation clause guarantees criminal defendants the opportunity to face the prosecution’s witnesses in the case against them and dispute the witnesses’ testimony. This guarantee applies to both statements made in court and statements made outside of court that are offered as evidence during trial…..

    At this point Trump is thrown off message and has to defend himself. It could take weeks or more to pry the names of the accusers out of that judge which makes any defense tough.

  7. Larry Ledwick says:

    Yes trial by media is a pain to deal with, although I don’t think I would want to be the one to defend myself against a slander suit filed by Trump. As you mentioned this is getting very interesting, this recent video release appears to have essentially an internal coup attempt by Ryan etc against Trump, but they actually outed themselves as treacherous jerks and will probably be black balled by the electorate in the future when all this comes out.

    Fun video here from Bill Mitchell (a guy who has been showing how screwed all the polls are on twitter)

  8. Gail Combs says:

    I just saw this and thought it was very good explanation of the MSM

  9. H.R. says:

    Gail & Larry, it may be too late in the game for a rape hoax to bollix things up for Trump. The harder the MSM/Clinton Coalition tries to besmirch Trump, the more resolute and disbelieving are the Trump supporters. The Clinton/GOP/MSM love-fest should have started this during the primaries.

    I also note that the wikileaks emails are getting some attention in the MSM, thogh not the really damaging ones.

    Oh. The Trump rallies held in places no prior candidates would have gone are the equivalent of the 7 degrees (6?) of Kevin Bacon. It’s a viral attack where all those attendees go home and infect their contacts + 6 degrees with their enthusiasm for Trump. Who you gonna’ believe; the despised MSM or the guy who came to your town and talked to you?

  10. Larry Ledwick says:

    The polls (published) are horribly skewed and cooked. At first they were over sampling democrats by large margins, when folks caught onto that they started cooking them in other ways. Several people have reported being called by a polling agency and during the pre-qualification questions they mentioned that they favored Trump and the poll worker simply hung up on them.

    There is substantial evidence from Trump rally attendance compared to Hillary, her lack of book sales, cooked polls etc. that if the Trump voters turn out it will be an historic land slide election.

    People are simply fed up and they will either fix it or burn it to the ground and start over.

  11. Gail Combs says:

    You are correct Larry,

    Thanks to the heads-up from Roger Stone and Alex Jones, I already warned my neighbors about the rape hoax.

    Tomorrow, now that it is out, I will call all my Republican Reps, and tell them I KNOW the hits on Trump are coordinated by the GOPe and the Hillary campaign and I will NOT vote for any Republican besides Trump.

    At this point I think a lot of the libertarian candidates on the tickets are going to get a lot more votes than they otherwise would have.

    Also as they said in Your Voice Radio, the RNC has been collecting under Trump’s name but giving the money to the down ticket and not Trump. So if you donate, donate to

    Tossing him even $10 during the next week will send a message to the GOP traitors and the MSM that we do NOT believe them. He has used the number of small donors on more than one occasion to show he is not losing support.

    Actually every time the MSM pulls this crap his donations go up. {:>D

  12. andysaurus says:

    Hi E.M. I am pretty sure that I read who owns all the breweries on this site, but I can’t find it. Could you please put up a link. Thanks.

  13. philjourdan says:

    @Larry – “The polls (published) are horribly skewed and cooked.”

    Even MSNBC trashed the WSJ/NBC poll. They are merely push polls. Meant to dispirit the opposition.

  14. Gail Combs says:

    The serfs have to think the election is close. I have read that they can do a +5% for Hillary but anything above that becomes way too obvious.

    They already know that WE KNOW the elections are rigged so they have to used rigged poll numbers as a cover. They are already planting the idea that Trump is Putin’s tool and the Russian hackers will steal the election for Trump.
    This group will be watching for a rigged election and unlike Mittens they WILL NOT BACK DOWN.

    This is THE most important election since elections of 1912 that gave us the Federal Reserve.

    There are TRILLIONS of dollars at stake as well as loss of power and even jail sentences. They may try assassination but I am not sure they dare since warnings have been telegraphed by Trump supporters. The Sleeping Giant is awakening, control of it by the media is gone and that Giant is armed to the teeth and filled with ‘Cold Anger’ that they do not want to turn hot.

    This is why the next try is hanging child rape on Trump but I am not sure that will fly. Too many know it is a hoax and know the media and justice system in the USA is corrupt. The digging to prove it is a hoax started well before it hit the news.

    From:brentbb AT webtv(.)net
    To: john podesta AT gmail
    Date: 2015-08-29 13:06
    Subject: Question

    If the campaign has a full list of Trump’s verbally abusive insults of women with specific examples of specific insults against specific women, if they email details to me I would a nuclear column including a call on leading GOP women to aggressively disown him and a call on major media to aggressively report the facts ‎ in defense of women, and stop giving Trump immunity from acceptable standards of journalism coverage and presidential politics.

    Trump is an abusive sexist Joe McCarthy ready for an Edward R. Murrow and I am ready to go further than any mainstream columnist but would need to be rock solid with facts.

    I would independently verify the details through my own fact checking from public sources and not mention the campaign.‎

    This is from brentbbi at Huff & Puff

  15. philjourdan says:

    @Gail – Since 1912? Seems we lost that one as well.

  16. E.M.Smith says:


    It was per the NFL and their sponsors:

    NFL viewership down now, BTW.


    Per media concentration:

    And folks wonder why I now watch RT and Al Jazeera to get an outside view of America… and why I’m joining the Gen’Xers and Millennials as a cord cutter:

    I’ve added a France24 English languge channel that has interesting news from a French POV. The list continues to grow, but there’s also dozens to explore in the aggregators links.

    My Son and his family are typical GenX in many ways. They have NO tv feed (cable, antenna, whatever) nor use that antique thing called a
    r-a-d-i-o… It’s all mp3 on the iPod / iPhone (even in the car) and Netflix / DVD or Blue Ray disks at home. News via web sites on their schedule.

    TPTB are fooling themselves thinking owning traditional media matters, it is buying a dying dinosaur. So far, the only thing I’ve found that I will miss in the cord cut is Fox News and Fox Biz. as they require a “provider” to log in. Even there, I can get it via Slingtv. (And even that desire is fading as they move away from real news into a political circus with (modestly polite) staged cage fights on every show… gets old… 20 hours of the Hillary & Trump Show and nothing on Russia putting missiles in Kaliningrad or French Police being firebombed in the streets…)

    Look at the “Newspaper of Record” – The New York Times. Down to 3 million circulation, and much of that just sitting on shelves in libraries globally. Trump has more twitter followers than that, and they all read the tweets! As of now, I can’t name one person who gets the NYT and I’m in the middle of Liberal-Vill. (I’ll have to do a driveway audit, where the papers land, I can’t think of any neighbor with the morning paper on their yard… any paper…)

    I sporadically sample MSNBC, but essentially just to see what spin and talking points they are pushing (i.e. see behind opposition lines…) so if they want to give me more samples of media coordination and shared talking points, it helps me but hurts them. The more they are an echo chamber of agreed spin, the more obvious it is. Heck, even Bubba and Marylou are catching on (see Trump rallies, they aren’t buying the MSM any more either, then The Bern-ers are seeing the rigging too, who’s left? Mostly the folks on a dependent payroll, directly or indirectly…)

    Would it be better if antimonopoly laws were actually being enforced? I think so, but not by much.

    So look to media from the people to the people as the future. Youtubers get more daily eyeballs than NBC and the NYT combined…

  17. E.M.Smith says:

    I just drove a ‘measured mile’ through suburban Silicon Valley, looking for ‘paper on the driveway’ and ‘yard signs or bumper stickers’. It is 8 AM so some early risers will have collected their papers, but in this area most folks don’t seem to be ‘out the door’ early (Silicon Valley has an unofficial start time of about 9 am for many folks… some get in at 7 or even earlier to beat the rush, but many straggle in after 10…). So one could ‘adjust’ by maybe x 2 to assure the count is not biased low.

    What I found: I counted 12 ‘papers in driveway’, but only roughly 1/2 of them were ‘big in a plastic sleeve’ like the local newspaper, the others were just paper, and looked very very thin. Maybe 2 dozen pages, max? I’d guess not a regular newspaper, but perhaps something more specific. (IIRC, some papers had gone way thin a couple of years back, maybe IBD Investors Business Daily? did it?)

    In any case, for ‘traditional newspapers’, downrate for ‘real papers’ and uprate for TOD, you end back where you began at about 12 / mile.

    Lots here run about 60 foot wide. Call it 65 to allow for streets. 5280 / 60 = 88 homes. 12 / 88 = about 14 % of homes look to be ‘getting the paper’. How many read it is another question…

    Per Yard Signs: Zero.

    That’s right, not a single yard sign for any candidate. Nor any bumper stickers.

    Yesterday I did a 20 mile run up and back (to a store) with about 8 miles on surface streets and the rest on the freeway or business district. Again, ALMOST zero signs. There was ONE – and it was for a State Senator…

    Now I don’t know if it is because folks just don’t want the aggravation that comes with advertising your advocacy, or if they are just flat out sick of the whole dog and pony show, or if, knowing California is a “lock” for Hillary nobody really cares or is spending any money here. Yet…

    Some months back, there were Bernie signs in yards… And last presidential races a guy in the neighborhood has had Ron Paul / Rand Paul signs up every year… but empty yard now.

    What does it mean? I donno… Hmmmm….

  18. philjourdan says:

    Saw my first Hillary sign yesterday. But it was a 2fer. With the “no hope” representative candidate prominently on it. A local idiot that makes even Bill clinton blush with his statements.

  19. Larry Ledwick says:

    Confirmation in wikileaks emails that it is believed that Saudis already have a nuclear bomb via Pakistan.

  20. Eilert says:

    Watching Trumps rally at Lakeland Florida right now.
    Said will CANCEL Paris Climate Deal.

  21. Power Grab says:

    @ Gail re Media Concentration: Well, that explains a LOT!

  22. Larry Ledwick says:

    Just throwing this out there, an alternative “twitter like” application that is dedicated to not censoring content. Allows messages up to 300 characters (much better than the 140 characters used on twitter). I will open source some of its code that controls ranking of topics.

    Worth a look if Twitter continues arbitrarily shutting down certain users.
    I am not on it myself still doing a little due diligence but others might want to look as well.

  23. John Robertson says:

    The heavy handed propaganda and willful dishonesty from our Presstitutes, has killed their market.
    Only thing that can save them is government handouts.
    Selling news requires trust.
    Today the media tells us; “The Russians Hacked DNC”

    And that Hillary is honest and the Justice Department did a proper investigation.
    Not a smidgeon of corruption.

    Or the old standby of the witchdoctor/conman…Who you gonna believe?
    My awesome authority or your lying eyes?

    The best part of our corrupt media, they never learn.

  24. Larry Ledwick says:

    I just signed up on
    Apparently they have some sort of vetting (ie is this a valid email address etc.)
    Done! You’re #92346 in the waiting list
    I will report back how this goes, if it requires an hour or a week to work to the top of the list and if they require too much PII from someone to join etc..

  25. H.R. says:


    The beer brands conversation was in the “Dear NFL, Up yours” posting in September. Just do a find on ‘Bud’ or ‘beer’ and that will get you to it.

  26. andysaurus says:

    @H.R. Thanks so much.

  27. Larry Ledwick says:

    This just showed up in my facebook reminders — I originally posted it to face book a year ago, so the opening date is now 73 years not 72. As we reach the closing days of this political campaign season it is perhaps wise to think about what happens if the evil bastards are allowed to win as they totally corrupt a countries political system.

    72 years ago today the prisoners in the Sobibor concentration camp made a desperate dash for freedom. Knowing that they were all eventually to die at the hands of the Nazi death machine. They staged a revolt using home made weapons, knives and axes to kill the guards they could reach, stole what weapons they could from their guards then fired on the remaining guards as the rest surged through the multiple fence enclosures in mass, crushing the fences with the weight of numbers they pushed into the surrounding mine fields. The front ranks of the surge died clearing the mines, but in doing so they cleared a path for their fellows. Some made it to the surrounding forests. Most were rounded up and shot by the Nazis or local residents over the following days but approximately 70-80 escaped and survived the war. 70 or 80 who would otherwise surely have died at the hands of the Nazis. They lived to tell the tales of abuse and torture in the camps and the story of that escape. They survived because they charged the enemy and over whelmed him with numbers and what meager weapons they could steal or make, when they realized that the only other option was to quietly submit to death. The same story can be told of the Trablinka death camp that revolt and mass escape and burning of the camp occurred on August 2, 1943. The ability to resist tyranny is the keystone of freedom. The right to bear arms is the mark of a freeman, to be unarmed by law is to be a slave or a subject.

  28. Larry Ledwick says:

    Follow up on social network.
    I got an email from them telling me that they are still in Beta testing and it may be a couple weeks before I receive an invitation to join due to high demand. They did provide a link to their web site guidelines which follow below:

    Last updated: August 18th, 2016

    Gab’s mission is to put people and free speech first. We believe that the only valid form of censorship is filtering options, an individual’s own choice to opt-out. Gab empowers users to filter and remove unwanted followers, words, phrases, and topics they don’t want to see in their feeds to help stop and prevent different forms harassment. However, we do take steps to protect ourselves and our users from illegal activity. By signing up for Gab, all users agree to adhere to the policies set forth below. Failure to do so will result in the temporary locking or banning of their account(s).
    Illegal Pornography

    We have a zero tolerance policy against illegal pornography. Such material will be instantly removed and the owning account will be dealt with appropriately per the advice of our legal counsel. We reserve the right to ban accounts that share such material. We may also report the user to local law enforcement per the advice our legal counsel.
    Threats and Terrorism

    We have a zero tolerance policy for violence and terrorism. Users are not allowed to make threats of, or promote, violence of any kind or promote terrorist organizations or agendas. Such users will be instantly removed and the owning account will be dealt with appropriately per the advice of our legal counsel. We may also report the user to local and/or federal law enforcement per the advice of our legal counsel.

    What defines a ‘terrorist organization or agenda’? Any group that is labelled as a terrorist organization by the United Nations and/or United States of America classifies as a terrorist organization on Gab.
    Private Information

    Users are not allowed to post other’s confidential information, including but not limited to, credit card numbers, street numbers, SSNs, without their expressed authorization.

    Try to be nice and kind to one another. We’re all human.

    I have no interest in their project other than getting the word out that there is a move to create an uncensored option to twitter and face book for those inclined to participate in such networks.

  29. Another Ian says:


    From an email today

    “As his final request, Arnold Palmer has suggested that the golf term “bad lie” would be more descriptive if called … “A Hillary.” Today, the USGA has honored Arnold’s request and officially approved “A Hillary” in the lexicon of golf terms.”

  30. Larry Ledwick says:

    This is probably total crap but just so folks are aware if not.

    Our UK / European participants is the daily star a total gossip rag or do they sometimes break good news that others have missed?

  31. Larry Ledwick says:

    No indication the above is valid — for background I was in NORAD Cheyenne Mtn complex during the Yom Kippur war (Oct. 24, 1973) when they went to DEFCON 3.

    As I left for work, the major radio stations were advising local active military to report to their units. It would be quickly obvious if such a change in DEFCON had taken place military bases would seriously clamp down on security and it would be lead story in all the major networks.

    My take is that this is just an effort to steal the news cycle this weekend — I wonder what is about to break in the wikileaks dump?

  32. E.M.Smith says:


    I’d not seen that article, but had heard that the Kondratiev wave folks were getting excited.
    Some months ago, I said it was toppy and cashed out. It has stayed that way.

    IMHO, the Elite will pull out all stops to prevent a crash pre election, after that, hang on to your hat. IFF Trump wins, watch for deliberate sabotage of the central money system. (i.e. lots of rate hikes, talking dirt to news cycles, poor reserves terms, etc.). If Hillary wins, an inflation cycle from massive debt and continued ZIRP. Just a guess at this point, subject to change on first Fed meeting after the election…


    If we were at defcon 3 there would be a lot more “stuff” going on. I’d guess the reality is someone talked about going to 3

    I live under a flyway that historically has had groups of fighters and helos go over in the weeks before things are announced… nothing unusual flying lately.

  33. Larry Ledwick says:

    Yep, although it is also possible to have a local DEFCON change say in Poland, and notification that it should be a quiet call up so as not to alarm. Given all the weirdness going on lately, in Kalingrad hard to say. I don’t think it is highly likely, but worth paying attention too.

  34. H.R. says:

    @P.G. & E.M.

    Since I retired in June, I had to roll over my 401k account. Per E.M.’s point about the ‘in’ party keeping the markets stable or up during the run-up to an election, I let it ride until I thought it was close enough to a peak, then cashed out. My instructions to my advisor were to leave it in cash in my current account until after the election, then we would develop a strategy for entering the markets.

    If Trump wins, I am going to have to hustle to get some fossil fuel stocks at a decent price, eh? I also think that Trump will let interest rates rise slowly and that there may be some plays in the bond market. Not too sure about that, though.

    Per P.G.’s comment, if Hillary wins, I expect more-of-the-same waviness around a top but even more so, perhaps a strong correction.

    We’ll know soon enough.

  35. tom0mason says:

    You may be interested in what this guy does with his Raspberry Pi Supercomputer Cluster.

  36. Richard G Bellew says:

    @Larry Ledwick: Re UK Daily Star, A photo-finish with your National Enquirer, IMHO

  37. Larry Ledwick says:

    That is what I expected — thanks for the confirmation.
    Although even the trash papers occasionally break a big story.

  38. Larry Ledwick says:

    In a related side note, one of the skills that survivors have is they tend to war game situations in their head so they have pre-programmed response routines already loaded in their mind. Having had this exact thing happen to me in 1973,and experienced the same sort of event as a teenager in 1962 during the Cuban missile crisis when we wondered if we would be at war by the time the school day ended. In 1962 it was serious enough that we sat down at the dinner table that first night and had “the discussion” about what we would do if the warning sirens sounded.

    As a result I probably take it a bit more seriously than most. On that night (1973) I got ready for work and nothing was going on I was aware of, normal radio stations playing normal music etc. Got in the car just about midnight and since I had an 85 mile commute to get down to NORAD head quarters I put the radio in the car on our local clear channel AM station KOA radio. Just as I pulled out of the drive way and headed down the street I heard the first news flash that military members were requested to report to their command immediately. I spent the next hour and a half wondering what was going on, when I got down to NORAD HQ it was clear they were in elevated readiness. They locked my team down in the mountain until the primary team arrived.

    So ever since then, when I hear some odd ball news, I tend to run a little what if game in my head, if this were a valid situation what would I do? step 1 step 2 step 3 (I usually focus on the 3 most important actions)

    It helps you pinpoint things that need doing, and understand what things will be beyond your control in a short notice situation.

    Like hurricane warnings, folks quickly learn if they are not among the first to get to the lumber yard to buy plywood to board up their windows, they will be out of luck and have to make do with what ever they can scrounge. That helps you put together an action list (like a shopping list only of activities)
    prioritized by most important and also arraigned by most efficient sequence to get them all done.

  39. Larry Ledwick says:

    On twitter this morning:

    This administration is playing with fire, the Russians see an intentional cyber attack as just another act of war. By making it public that they are going to do it (for bragging rights I presume) they put Russia in a corner they “Have to respond”. If it was done quietly without fanfare the Russians could respond back channel, but their hand has been forced and they will have to do something visible to show they are strong effective leaders.

    This is the sort of chain of actions that led to WWI.

  40. Larry Ledwick says:

    The fact this announcement came out of NBC (America’s Pravda) will be seen as an intentional message to Russia by this administration, as NBC is the “official leak source” of this administration.

  41. Gail Combs says:

    Another Ian says: “Wow! The link at….”

    OUCH! He certainly has a blunt way with words but he is spot on.

    If Trump loses we are looking at war one way or another. Every time the Elite pee in their soup and completely screw up the world’s economy they start a war, usually a world war to get the target of THEIR backs where it actually belongs.

    Unfortunately with Clinton giving China the US economy plus US nuclear weapons secrets plus guidance systems and Obama following up by gutting the US military, we can not afford a war this time because the Chinese hate our guts.

    Lessons of history: China’s century of humiliation

    China Picks at the Scab to Keep the Wound Fresh

    …A passage from an essay by the Australian defense analyst Paul Monk is very telling on the subject of what President Xi intends for Asia’s near future:

    In any case, Xi Jinping, despite his genial smile, good English, and familiarity with the United States, is no reforming liberal. Shortly after assuming the presidency, he took all the members of his politburo with him to the bizarre museum the Party has built in Tiananmen Square – the museum of national humiliation and revival. He pointed out to them the exhibits showing the arrival of the Jesuits via Macao in the sixteenth century and how this had been the beginning of the infiltration and humiliation of China by the West. He pointed out the exhibits showing the Japanese invasions of China and making the unfounded assertion that the Japanese were defeated by the Communist Party with a little help from “good” Nationalist generals. The Americans, he said, then became the enemy. “Against this external enemy,” he told China’s inner group of top leaders, “we must stick together.”

    To erase the shame of its century of national humiliation, China will need to have an unequivocal victory over somebody.

    While we focus on Russia it is China that is the real elephant in the room.

  42. Jeff says:

    @Larry: Just hoping Obama isn’t looking to start something and declare martial law or some such.
    I’m beginning to think it’s not even the JV team we have in D.C. but the Frosh-Soph, if that…

    @ Another Ian says:
    15 October 2016 at 9:04 am
    A link within your link had a really interesting article (as well as the author’s “counter article”), about Trump’s rise and red vs. blue:

    And so much for BLM:

    Here in Germany someone explained Europe’s problems as rich north versus poor south; the link above (and, it seems, the Democrats in general) look at the cities versus the ignorant country po’ folk; but only Trump is framing it as the elite versus the rest of us, be we in cities, suburbs, or the country. We are all suffering somehow…

  43. Gail Combs says:

    Just read the article linked here:

    Especially the comments.

    GAG, most of them have ZERO clue.

    When we moved from the Boston area to North Carolina in 1994, Hubby’s and my friends were HORRIFIED, the rural SOUTH! Oh my gosh they are uncivilized gun toting drooling hicks! Never mind that at the time, Research Triangle had more phds per capita then any other area in the USA. Interesting that now, after 20 years Durham has sank to the bottom of the 50 cities listed. It gives you an idea of the effect of the WTO export of technical jobs to China.

    This is a commenter that has a ‘clue’ and does a great job expressing it.


    Wait. Are you kidding me? Reds see one glaring difference that should be as bright as the sun, even to a narrow horizoned thinker such as yourself… Trump BUILT stuff – in a market where I tried to buy two small buildings and failed. By the time he was my age, he changed the *skyline of Manhattan* from his dad’s comfy fiefdom of Queens apartments.

    As an aside, I know TWO heirs to separate Queens-fiefdom fortunes, identical to what Trump came from, one, in fact, had greater holdings than Fred. The two men I know have inherited moderate fortunes because the risk taking, daring and building ended with their fathers or grandfathers in the outer boros. One of the men is a hard working attorney and has made his own way in a safe field making good money. Moving to the hardest boro and building high was never a goal for either – except to use a chunk of the family fortune to live more stylishly than the fathers who traded their days to haul garbage, clean garages, evict tenants and otherwise landlord in the outer boros.

    Trump built something significant, persevered through failure and learned at every step he took – in a boro where building is locked out from outsiders.

    Can you possibly see that that is the exact opposite of a Hillary Clinton? When the Clintons left the White House, they *stole* about $400,000 worth of artwork, furniture and silverware from the seat of the republic – as well as left an office vandalized by staff. Their excuse? The were broke when they left office (a patent falsehood – they werent broke, but they were only worth a few million (which to the lifestyle they lived as leaders, was broke). We have, until them, never heard of such a thing happening, but such classless, spiteful moves, because ‘feelz’ seem to be accepted as de rigeur and that it is okay for middle aged adults to steal like angry children. Where are the Clintons now? Nearly worth half a billion. How? Why? What have they built and where is their track record of traceable success?

    Have you so long lived in a homogenized echo chamber of academia that you have become as imagination-lacking, boring and narrow as the op-ed writers for “The Atlantic”? That you have no intellectual curiosity about how ‘public servants’ become partial billionaires who believe they are entitled to high office? Can you not see why such people, who do not know how to do anything but peddle influence and sell resources and things built that were never theirs, might be an abhorrent thing for most of the voting class who live through working? Because Trump was incredibly successful because he took correspondingly huge and increasingly smarter risks as he learned through his varied career. This does not make him something people of more modest means can’t identify with or should abhor – by your narrow view, of course, it probably does. But as it is, the one who can create jobs and who has learned to negotiate complex deals so that he comes out the winner, seems a helluva lot more attractive than the ones who “win” through selling what was never theirs.

  44. Gail Combs says:

    I just reread that article to make sure I was not reading it incorrectly. No I was not. His real feelings are in these paragraphs:

    …Don’t message me saying all those things I listed are wrong. I know they’re wrong. Or rather, I think they’re wrong, because I now live in a blue county and work for a blue industry. I know the Good Old Days of the past were built on slavery and segregation, I know that entire categories of humanity experienced religion only as a boot on their neck. I know that those “traditional families” involved millions of women trapped in kitchens and bad marriages. I know gays lived in fear and abortions were back-alley affairs.

    I know the changes were for the best.

    Try telling that to anybody who lives in Trump country….

    Already some of you have gotten angry, feeling this gut-level revulsion at any attempt to excuse or even understand these people. After all, they’re hardly people, right? Aren’t they just a mass of ignorant, rageful, crude, cursing, spitting subhumans?

    Gee, I hope not. I have to hug a bunch of them at Thanksgiving. And when I do, it will be with the knowledge that if I hadn’t moved away, I’d be on the other side of the fence, leaving nasty comments on this article…

    He has completely swallowed John Dewey’s codependence and Al Gore’s idea of “Interdependence”

    Like Communism it sounds good in theory until it gets you killed. We are in the current mess with China BECAUSE of Al Gore and Bill Clinton and the left’s love of codependence/interdependence.

    Obummer expressed as “YOU didn’t build that!”

    International Security, Vol. 20″ Copeland “Economic Interdependence and War: A Theory of Trade Expectations

  45. John F. Hultquist says:

    There have been mentions here about the NFL and beer post. I’ve just added to that, although it has content about the wine business:

  46. Gail Combs says:

    However the guy really shows his boneheaded ignorance when he says

    …See, rural jobs used to be based around one big local business — a factory, a coal mine, etc. When it dies, the town dies. Where I grew up, it was an oil refinery closing that did us in. I was raised in the hollowed-out shell of what the town had once been. The roof of our high school leaked when it rained. Cities can make up for the loss of manufacturing jobs with service jobs — small towns cannot. That model doesn’t work below a certain population density.

    If you don’t live in one of these small towns, you can’t understand the hopelessness….

    SERVICE JOBS??? doesn’t this idiot understand there are NO SERVICE JOBS without the wealth created by the mining/factory/manufacturing jobs? Who can afford going to a restaurant watching a movie or even having a bank account WITHOUT those factories creating wealth (real products).

    The only difference between a rural town and a city is one of scale. He should take a good hard look at Detroit to see what I mean. Where are the service jobs in Detroit?? WHY did Detroit go bankrupt?

    Right now the USA is losing 14 factories A DAY and our biggest export is TRASH.

    They really are completely removed from reality. Worse, when he does lose his job and finds he can’t find a new one he will move into his parents basement and expect the people he trashed in that article to take care of him.

    After all he does not believe in independence….

  47. Another Ian says:

    “Robert Rosicka
    October 16, 2016 at 7:33 am · Reply

    I’ve only just realised how impartitial the MSM is towards Trump , Shrillary could be drunk and run over someone in a wheel chair but all you would get in the media is how Donald did this or Donald said that .
    The ABC it seems is only interested in anything bad to do with Trump, Shilliary can do no wrong and if she does we won’t report it .
    Of course they have to be carefull if all you hear is Trump , Trump ,Trump when people vote it may be the only thing on their mind so they vote Trump .”


  48. Graeme No.3 says:

    In Australia in 1975 the Governor General sacked the Prime Minister. There was a wave of enthusiasm for him but as the 5 week election period went on more and more people started to think about his (and his party’s) performance over the previous 3 years and he lost in a landslide. Despite the polls showing the outcome he persisted, apparently bouyed by the enthusiasm of the reasonably sized left wing crowds attending his speeches. The landslide was repeated 2 years later when he tried again. So enthusiastic turnouts can be misleading, especially if generated by those who are trying to turn public opinion.
    For all that I think Trump will win. The Media here report that he only has the support of 40% of the population so must lose. Not so! If three quarters of them are enthusiastic enough to vote, and the turnout is 50% then it would be a landslide for Trump, unless Hilary can get a lot of people to vote for her. But who will? The Berny-ites are unlikely from inclination and youth. The staid middle voters are unlikely (or less) to endorse her. And by hammering the Us v Them theme Trump is far more likely to win the working class Democrats towards him.

    The next few months after a Trump win will be turmoil as the establishment tries to neutralise him. By the look from the outside he may not get any help from the Republican Party members in Congress, until the mid-term elections gets rid of many of the obstructions.

    As the Chinese curse has it “may you live in interesting times”.

  49. Jeff says:

    @Gail: That’s why I mentioned he wrote a counter-article. His protestations against REAL America are what interested me. I should have made that clear. I come from “ridgerunner” folk of the hills of West Virginia, originally from Scotland, as well as engineers and “nerds” from England. Seems we’ve done OK for mouthbreathers and knuckle-draggers. (Apologies again) I took his snark and satire for an expiation of the truth: AMERICA is the “flyover” lands, and the heartland. The cities are where the elites want to herd us.

    I live in Germany now, after having grown up in Kalifornistan, where even in the late 1950s and early 1960s the Mann/Dewey poison was evident. Here it’s all but impossible to see unbiased news/reporting/curriculum. And homeschooling is impossible. There’s a site called Invisible Serf’s Collar which details (quite technically) what has happened to the US “educational” system.

    I fear we live in interesting times indeed. Yet we must master them. I think Trump is a BUILDER,
    and right now, that’s what we need. Having grown up in the pre-space/Mercury/Gemini/Apollo/ cancel-it-all-darnit era, I really miss the building part. I hope and pray that “The Donald” can bring that back…

  50. Gail Combs says:

    Glad to hear you like Robin’s invisible serf’s collar.

    I get the feeling these city folks view of the USA is this:

    At least that is how they would LIKE to see it.


    In the Karma is a Witch category. Editor Temporarily Banned from Reddit

  51. cdquarles says:

    I don’t know why people are fussing about media concentration now. The big media has been controlled by the same ideology for over a century now, even with nominal independent ownership. Remember the Big 3 TV networks and the Fairness Doctrine? It is the commercial internet that blew that wide open, along with some well known not-leftist commentators on the over-the-air radio (and yes, syndication has been around for decades in the radio and television market and centuries for print).

    Governments create monopolies. Socialist governments particularly so, whether of the Fascist variety or the Communist variety. [It would not surprise me at all that the anti-trust legislation was created just to promote government control.]

  52. Jeff says:

    Gail, Looks like Brussels (as the EU Voles would have it) looking down on Holland and Germany. Oh, yuck, all those Transamerica Pyramids (I grew up in the SF Bay Area, and the Pyramid was a HUGE issue, along with Sutro Tower)…

    What the city slickers often forget is that it’s the country folk who built this country so they’d have a place in which to live…

    Robin’s site is great, don’t know how she does all that research. Also (“Brave New Schools”, Berrit Kjos) and “The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America”, by Charlotte Iserbyt (used to be available as a .pdf – not sure, now) are quite good.

    Start with a nation’s youth…

    Goodness me, I must have picked up the “Wong” thread there. I was looking at what he said about us ridgerunners as being true rather than satire. My irony circuits are out for the day, I s’pose. I spotted the (decrepit) house with the TRUMP sign on the side (should have been a clue…) and thought, yep, that’s what the city folks think of the Trumpocrats and Deplorables.

    (The sewage pipes make me think of LA… El Segundo, Long Beach, Santa Monica).

    Back in the good old days, of REAL print journalism, there was a competitor to MAD Magazine called Cracked. Somehow, it lives on…

  53. John F. Hultquist says:

    Gail Combs & others:

    Based on a book about to be published, there is a “Saturday Essay” in the WSJ:

    “Why the Economy Doesn’t Roar Anymore”
    The long boom after World War II left Americans with unrealistic expectations, but there’s no going back to that unusual Golden Age.

    Author of book is MARC LEVINSON
    “An Extraordinary Time: The End of the Postwar Boom and the Return of the Ordinary Economy,” which will be published on Nov. 8 by Basic Books.

    As of evening of the 15th there are over 500 comments.
    Pay required but has more photos than the print version.

  54. Larry Ledwick says:

    If you use google search for the title you can see the full article for free at this url.
    “Why the Economy Doesn’t Roar Anymore”

  55. Larry Ledwick says:

    It is also easy to have very rapid growth when half the world’s production capacity has been bombed to rubble and it will take 10-15 years to repair the basic infrastructure in Europe and Japan etc.

    America was in the enviable position of being the last man standing at the end of the war with respect to industrial capacity, with almost a total monopoly on some types of production.

    The Marshal plan did not hurt either providing liquidity so the shredded infrastructure and industrial production capacity of Europe could be rebuilt from piles of shattered bricks.

  56. Gail Combs says:

    John, Remember the WSJ is now owned by Open Borders Murdoch and a Saudi Prince so of course they want the serfs to think the past — A past relatively free of regulation and taxes — can never come again. After all you do not want a middle class able to challenge your business. Instead you want wage slaves frightened of angering the boss for fear of firing and blackballing.

    They are WRONG!

    Here is an article on the effects of lifting just a few regs. (Trump wants to yank about 70%)

    10/21/2010 Small businesses losing out to red tape

    … cities and states stifle new small businesses at every turn, burying them in mounds of paperwork; lengthy, expensive and arbitrary permitting processes; pointless educational requirements for occupations; or even just outright bans. Today, the Institute for Justice released a series of studies documenting government-imposed barriers to entrepreneurship in eight cities. In every city studied, overwhelming regulations destroyed or crippled would-be businesses at a time when they are most needed.

    Time and again, these reports document how local bureaucrats believe they should dictate every aspect of a person’s small business. They want to choose who can go into which business, where, what the business should look like, and what signs will be put in the windows. And if that means that businesses fail, or never open, or can operate only illegally, or waste all their money trying to get permits so they have nothing left for actual operations, that’s just too bad. This attitude would be bad enough in prosperous times, but in a period of financial strain and high unemployment, it’s almost suicidally foolish…..

    Small businesses produce more patents

    …Small Business and Innovation

    The SBA’s Office of Advocacy notes: “Of high patenting firms (15 or more patents in a four-year period), small businesses produced 16 times more patents per employee than large patenting firms.” In addition, a 2008 study by Anthony Breitzman and Diana Hicks for the Office of Advocacy (“An Analysis of Small Business Patents by Industry and Firm Size”) found that “small firms are much more likely to develop emerging technologies than are large firms. This is perhaps intuitively reasonable given theories on small firms effecting technological change, but the quantitative data here support this assertion. Specifically, although small firms account for only 8 percent of patents granted, they account for 24 percent of the patents in the top 100 emerging clusters.”

    Of course the Lying Media does not want people to know that.

    For Most Small Companies Patents Are Just About Worthless – Forbes

    Patent legislation will destroy inventive small businesses

    …Large companies generally have many elements of competitive advantage, including scale, product breadth, capital, brand, and large staffs. Even the most competitive startups generally have none of these, and often only have their wits and their patents, with the constitutionally-granted benefit of a limited period of exclusive use. This legislation will eliminate this sole advantage for all practical purposes.

    While working on educating others on this issue over the last 18 months, it was very clear that most of my colleagues and peers read the headlines of patent reform – defeating trolls – and supported the proposed legislation. But they did not study the text…..

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  58. E.M.Smith says:


    My action list. Only one new item since about 1980…

    1) Grab Bugout Bag & Family and head for security spot.
    2) Call local kid and tell them to follow, call distant kid &give go code…

    Since we no longer live together I had to add #2…..

    In 5 minutes we can be outside lethal blast range. In 10 we have hills on three sides and near water / camping. Exposed side away from blast.

    Car is kept with enough gas and basic prep kit, advanced kit is the grab & go…

    Good for a week easy, two weeks if needed or fishing is good, month if acorns are ripe or wild hogs investigate…

    Location NOT downwind for over 90% of weather…

  59. E.M.Smith says:


    Those kind of “popular kid” vote anticks and “social leader rules ” stuff are why I avoid ALL “social media” sites. It all reminds me of playing bridge. The little semi-forbidden signals, the game within the game, frankly, the BS of it. Some folks love bridge, others not. FWIW my ‘inner word’ for all that social gaming stuff is ‘bridge playing’…

    Thus you will never find me on Reddit.


    It is the nature of people to see truth in satire and satire in truth. I have often had good insight into reality from someone who thought they were doing a parody… You can bring the truth to an intended farce…

    @John & Larry:

    While part was the intact USA Economy, much was also our free system and low taxation. Note that Australia, New Zealand, South America, Sub Saharan Africa and a bunch of smaller spots were also intact.

    IMHO, the biggest issue is the tax rate which sucks the blood from the economy. Post W.W.II Hong Kong did great, with no noticeable natural resources and war damage all around… due to free trade and low taxes.

  60. Gail Combs says:

    E.M. I am not on Facebook, Twitter or Reddit, but a lot of people are, thinking they are free speech zones. (Remember they had no problem with terrorist using them for recruiting in the past.)

    Now the veil is getting yanked off people’s eyes as they find out that censorship is alive and well at these sites. This is very upsetting to the ‘Useful Innocents’ who thought socialism was so much better than the system setup by our Founding Fathers.

    Keln of Les Deplorables fame has the latest:

    Keln says:

    Coordinated attacks from every direction…add to this Reddit coming down on The_Donald. Forced deletion of lots of posts today, many about Wikileaks. They’ve now made a rule only applicable to The_Donald to make no mention of the /pol/ subreddit (this is the main politics subreddit which is supposed to not be partisan, but all of the mods are pro-Hillary and they actively suppress anything pro-Trump). The_Donald mods have agreed to abide by it because if they don’t, The_Donald will be deleted.

    This is some mafia level stuff.

    Good news is, while The_Donald can’t do anything about it, there are lots of centipedes who can really screw with Reddit over this. Some of them are Anonymous.

    Should get interesting.

    David Seaman, a journalist who recently got tossed from the Huffington Post outs Google/Youtube”
    David is dangerous to the elite because he had quite a following of liberals and still does. (I hope he stays healthy he has the makings of a good journalist.)

    “WIKILEAKS BOMBSHELL: Google Emails / Hillary Clinton”

    Twitter outs it’s self as biased
    Milo Suspended Permanently by Twitter Minutes Before ‘Gays For Trump’ Party At RNC

    Twitter Picked A Fight With Milo Yiannopoulos. They Will Lose

    And Facebook is reported to disallow certain phrases supportive of Trump. (Reported months ago at ConservatveTreeHouse) Another example Facebook Forced (Manipulated) Black Lives Matter To Trend On Social Media…

    From what I can tell the MSM and social media is going all out, expending built up capital in an attempt to annihilate Trump. So far it seems to be having the opposite effect.

    All that trust, once abused, can never be won back.

  61. Gail Combs says:

    Donna Brazile was outed in emails as colluding with Killery

    Brazile gave Clinton the exact verbiage of a CNN Town Hall question. In an attempt to keep up the facade. CNN has canned Brazile just as NBC did Billy Bush. (Not that it bothers Bush — Billy Bush expected to get $10 million settlement from NBC )

    I wonder what her settlement will be?

    Yeah, they are playing Bridge.

  62. Larry Ledwick says:

    Assault on Mosul just starting — nice timing for a diversion for the media from political news, want to bet they go to 24×7 coverage of Mosul sprinkled with a few negative items on Trump to hide wikileaks items?

  63. Larry Ledwick says:

    Seeing protests for press freedom in Hungary as oligarchs try to control the media by buying up smaller media outlets.

  64. Larry Ledwick says:

    From Twitter:

    Mike Cernovich Verified account
    American media is a domestic terrorist organization. #GOPUnite

    Dan ‏@Danvil3351 1 hour ago
    @Cernovich CBS “news” had nothing about Wikileaks or firebombing of GOP HQ. Nothing but discredited slander against Trump & conservatives.

    angela hale ‏@delicountessa 58 minutes ago
    @Danvil3351 @Cernovich Remember when Palin’s church was set on fire? Yeah, that got ZERO coverage.

    Deplorable Darcy ‏@DarcyMoriarity 41 minutes ago
    @Cernovich @realjunsonchan They’re worse than terrorists. We trusted them. They betrayed us. #GOPUnite #MAGA

    brobert545 ‏@brobert545 54 minutes ago
    @Cernovich @rottiefreek they have total control of this country no republican will be elected until we take it back

    Franco Gonzalez ‏@itsFranco 1 hour ago
    @Cernovich In Bill Ayers’ craziest marxist dreams, he never thought media establishment would become his info guerrilla soldiers as today

  65. Larry Ledwick says:

    This makes you wonder if there was a long term strategy, first demonize larger nuclear, then break the back of coal with stigma of high carbon output, then bring back low emissions modular nuclear backed by the same folks that funded the assassination of coal and large nuclear.

  66. Another Ian says:


    “Today James released Part One. Every day for the next two weeks there’ll be more.”

  67. Another Ian says:

    And even worse

    “Global warming may cause moose to freeze”

  68. j martin says:

    US election machines made to deliver any vote the cia require.

  69. j martin says:

    The US uses a variety of electronic vote counting methods. Since these are all almost certainly open to being adjusted by the cia or other dubious entity then no matter how many people vote for Trump, Clinton will be elected. What proportion of the us vote counting is done by electronic machine.? Any proportion over 25% is probably enough to control who wins overall.

  70. Power Grab says:

    So it’s legal to force people to give their fingerprints to unlock a phone, but not to reveal their PIN number.

    Does that mean there will be more casualties among housemates/roommates because their fingerprints (or some other biometric like a retinal scan) might get used to help aid an investigation? Can a dead person’s finger or retina be used to unlock a phone just like a live person’s?

  71. E.M.Smith says:

    IFF a biometric scanner has a temp sensor, you need to warm the removed finger in your coffe cup prior to application… other than that, dead works….

  72. Larry Ledwick says:

    It will be interesting to see if this “cleanup” of the Calais immigrant camp goes without triggering major protests etc.

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  74. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting political move by Russia, more small jabs back at Obama

  75. Larry Ledwick says:

    I think he has part of this right but has missed a few things, like the likelyhood that Trump will win and the elites will take it in the shorts when the world wide debt bomb goes off.

  76. Larry Ledwick says:

    Another different view of government, he comes to essentially the same conclusion that many people do that the real government is run by bureaucrats who tailor their actions to look like what the politicians say they should be but the general trend does not really change.

  77. Larry Ledwick says:
  78. Larry Ledwick says:

    From twitter
    Scott Adams
    Scott Adams Retweeted ((Johannes Paulsen))
    The terrorist drones are coming. They can 3D-print them soon.

  79. philjourdan says:

    Only got a minute, but I thought Gail would love this (and all find it interesting). In many states, the democrats are breaking the law to “extend” the registration deadline. However, in Virginia, which is supposedly solid blue now, the Hillary Crony, Governor McAuliffe is NOT rushing to do so even though a last minute surge crashed the system on the last legal day to register. In fact, he is doing the exact opposite (studying it), even though the fault clearly lies with the state this time.

    Perhaps they saw who was registering. And indeed it is the “silent monster” of those who have never voted (you have to not vote for 4 straight years, and we have elections every year, to be kicked off the rolls).

  80. Gail Combs says:

    Well I just took a friend down to register to vote for the first time in her life. {:>D

    ConservativeTreeHouse has been pushing the ‘drag your friends and relatives to register’ for over a year now. At every Trump rally they have voter registration available and ask you to get your friends and relatives to register to vote too. (I think they even hand out extra registration forms and tell you where to take them/send them)

    Remember, even though Trump was running in a field of 17 he got the most votes ever cast for a primary republican candidate. That plus the YUGE enthusiastic crowds at his rallies means people are interested. And more important invested in actively seeing to it that he wins.

    I think this has been one of the most exciting Presidential races I have seen. A lot of the 50%+ Americans who quit voting have become energized to get off their butts and register to vote and they are NOT voting Hillary.

    The crap with Bernie lost at least 1/3 of the democrats. The crap with Assange is going to really resonate with the under 35 crowd who usually do not vote and often vote third party when they do. At this point they may just vote Trump as a middle finger to the DNC/DC establishment.

    Despite the allegations tossed at Trump the evangelicals are sticking with him. link (They look at him as Cyrus (Isaiah 45), a flawed human used to advance God’s plans from what I have read. Trump will be the 45th president which is considered a sign by some.)

    Given the active dislike of Hillary by some of the Democrats and her lack of overall appeal, I think the internal polls are showing Trump has a double digit lead despite the crap the DNC has thrown at him. This is going to make a ‘steal’ very very hard.

    As a female I can not stand Hillary since she reminds me of the nasty two faced backbiting women I had to work with. Other women I talk to get the same vibes from her so the “She has the women vote” is more media propaganda than fact. She just doesn’t have the charisma that Obama did and she has been missing in action the entire election cycle to boot. I think Jill Stein has a lot more appeal AND she appears to be sane. Again if I was on the left I would vote Stein not Hillary.

  81. pg sharrow says:

    Today the Saudi’s announced they would go to the bond market to raise $17 billion, apparently because of low oil prices…pg

  82. E.M.Smith says:


    Golly, thats up from something like 10 billion a week or two ago… they have found themselves very short in a couple of weeks…

  83. pg sharrow says:

    Yes apparently, they now claim that they need the price of oil to be $75 a barrel to break even now! That is serious overhead. American producers bottom line is about $45.,,pg

  84. Larry Ledwick says:

    The $75 / BBL is what it takes to keep from draining their cash reserves because that was the base figure used in budgeting all their social programs etc. That is not break even on the oil production costs but the revenue stream that they need to buy off their people and avoid draining their cash reserves.

  85. pg sharrow says:

    @Larry you are correct. $50 dollar oil has really put a pinch on the producer nations that are living off of their oil wealth. A double benefit to American interests…pg

    That 9th planet is something that is being discussed at:
    There is a great deal that we don’t know as well as a lot that we do is wrong!…pg

  86. E.M.Smith says:

    As I’ve pointed out elsewhere (like that Tallbloke article) it can’t be “Planet 9”.

    It is a TNO, like Pluto, so can’t have “cleared the neighborhood”. That means it can’t be a Planet.

    Now if they decide it IS a planet by relaxing that rule, then Pluto is back in as a planet too, and Pluto resumes 9 and it becomes about 14 (after the other TNOs that also get sucked in like Sedna Xena etc. etc. )

    So it either isn’t a planet, or the number must be bigger than nine, depending on the decision about clearing the neighborhood for TNOs…

  87. Gail Combs says:

    “….So it either isn’t a planet, or the number must be bigger than nine, depending on the decision about clearing the neighborhood for TNOs…”

    Logic Logic, Didn’t you know that Logic is passe in this Post Post Post modern world?

  88. @E.M. If it’s the estimated 10 earth masses they suspect, then I’m sure it either eats or redirects any TNOs that get near…

  89. philjourdan says:

    @Regis – The escape clause for planet 9, 14 or whatever is that it is outside the orbital plane, so only briefly interacts with the TNO objects. So while it probably does eat or redirect them, there are too few close encounters of the 9th kind to be noticeable.

  90. E.M.Smith says:

    The problem with that rationalization is that by definition it is also a Trans Neptunian Object AND many of them are not in the plane of the ecliptic (even Pluto has a small tilt); so it’s ‘neighborhood’ is all the TNOs even those out of the ecliptic and they are not cleared…

    This is the kind of problem bad definitions lead to… like the Moon becomes a planet once it move further out (which it is doing) and the earth moon barycenter exits the earth surface… choose ‘orbit never retrograde and always concave to sun’, then earth moon system is a binary planet system and stays that way…

    Similarly, drop ‘clears the neighborhood’ and just have self rounding diameter ( fix it at a specific size if desired, like 2000 km) and things are clearly defined and don’t change… as of now we have a special rule to allow for the Trojans and Jupiter and then there is a TNO further out than Pluto and much bigger (initially dubbed Xena, now renamed) that is clearly planet sized, but now not a planet, but will be over time as other TNOs get sucked in, and now a proposed bigger one also in the TNO category, but hypothetically big enough to clear some area, but not all of it, but called a planet, until we find it has junk in orbit near it so another Trojan like exception to be conjured up… Oh, and don’t forget that clearing requirement means the Earth was not a planet until some time after the late heavy bombardment, when it became one, but we can’t say for sure when that was… and does the asteroid driven extinctions mean we were not quite a planet yet then? How many bombardments per orbit make you not a planet?

    Essentially they postulate the Kuiper Belt and Oort cloud and such, then want a planet runnung around in them, but with a definition to eliminate others running around in it… and that doesn’t work unless they conjure up new exceptions. Just untidy minds…

  91. pg sharrow says:

    Neat and tidy are a very pleasant meal but a pinch of chaos is the spice of life!

  92. Larry Ledwick says:

    On another topic just a link to the history of the Islam invasion of India and the consequences so folks interested can read/book mark.

  93. Oliver K. Manuel says:

    E.M. Smith,

    I love the picture across the top of this page and borrowed it to paste on the bottom of a paper (in press) on “Cosmic Rays”

  94. Larry Ledwick says:

    On the antibiotic resistance front we have a new family of compounds to look at derived from microbes which grow in the human gut.

  95. Larry Ledwick says:

    Not related to anything – but just cool to look at, sort of like watching the fireplace or the campfire.,40.45,399

  96. Larry Ledwick says:

    I have seen several mentions of large scale denial of service attacks DDOS in north east US today (fri 10/21/2016) Here is the down detector heat map for twitter, shows NE US and France / UK region of Europe having issues with twitter.
    Likewise Reddit getting hit too it looks like
    Same with Level 3 and comcast showing high traffic same time period

    The next obvious question is why shut down major web sites now on Friday?
    Friday is when announcements are made that TPTB want to get lost in the weekend news cycle so they can say they announced them but most people never hear much about the announcement.

    I would be inclined to think something is going to come out this afternoon that someone does not want much coverage on.


    This is a response to the administrations threat about a cyber attack response to Russia!

  97. Larry Ledwick says:

    I just lost twitter completely Firefox throwing a “server not found” error, so they either are shutting down to make config changes to handle the DDOS or they have been swamped by the attack.
    Other web tabs are loading properly. (10/21/2016 11:18 MDT)

  98. philjourdan says:

    @Larry – you cannot trust the news just yet as this one –
    Indicates it is not affecting Europe and Asia (your map indicates otherwise). Indeed, it does appear to be affecting Asia as it is disrupting our Japanese traffic.

    About the only thing that seems to be confirmed is that it is against DYN

  99. philjourdan says:


    I just lost twitter completely Firefox throwing a “server not found” error, so they either are shutting down to make config changes to handle the DDOS or they have been swamped by the attack.

    Not necessarily. Can you resolve Twitter? The attack is on the DNS, and those servers, not the actual sites themselves. I suspect that you just cannot resolve twitter right now (it is surging and fading).

    Attacking DNS is more effective than attacking individual servers as it cripples larger parts of the Internet.

  100. Larry Ledwick says:

    Not sure what you mean Phil unless you are talking about name resolution, I don’t have an IP for twitter to try a direct connect and I did try a direct IP connection to and that works at IP

    I also tried following a google search link and that also came up as server not found

    If you are talking about dns resolution.
    Ping request could not find host Please check the name and try again.

    If you can get me an IP to try will see if that will work but for normal users depending on a book mark or URL using name resolution the site does not exist right now.

    I did an nslookup and tried a few of the IP’s that came back and so far none of them have worked.

  101. Larry Ledwick says:

    I used to keep a list of key web sites by IP, I may have to rebuild that with current working addresses.

    These IP’s which supposedly belong to respond to ping but do not load a page.

    Pinging with 32 bytes of data:
    Reply from bytes=32 time=51ms TTL=56
    Reply from bytes=32 time=50ms TTL=56
    Reply from bytes=32 time=51ms TTL=56
    Reply from bytes=32 time=50ms TTL=56

    Ping statistics for
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
    Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 50ms, Maximum = 51ms, Average = 50ms



    Pinging with 32 bytes of data:
    Reply from bytes=32 time=43ms TTL=56
    Reply from bytes=32 time=44ms TTL=56
    Reply from bytes=32 time=43ms TTL=56
    Reply from bytes=32 time=44ms TTL=56

    Ping statistics for
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
    Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 43ms, Maximum = 44ms, Average = 43ms


    Pinging with 32 bytes of data:
    Reply from bytes=32 time=50ms TTL=247
    Reply from bytes=32 time=50ms TTL=247
    Reply from bytes=32 time=50ms TTL=247
    Reply from bytes=32 time=50ms TTL=247

    Ping statistics for
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
    Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 50ms, Maximum = 50ms, Average = 50ms


    Pinging with 32 bytes of data:
    Reply from bytes=32 time=44ms TTL=56
    Reply from bytes=32 time=44ms TTL=56
    Reply from bytes=32 time=44ms TTL=56
    Reply from bytes=32 time=44ms TTL=56

    Ping statistics for
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
    Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 44ms, Maximum = 44ms, Average = 44ms


  102. philjourdan says:

    @Larry – your ping told you all you need to know. Ping tries a DNS to get the IP to ping (ping only works with IPs). So when it came back as not found, that means twitter is not resolving (the DNS servers cannot contact the twitter DNS so they return a NXDomain).

    If you can ping it and it resolves to an IP, but comes back as request timed out, that is an indication the server is down (although many sites do not allow ICMP, so pings of working servers would do the same thing).

    The IP returned for twitter is geographically dependent. Mine returns some addresses int eh 199.16.156.x range. YMMV

  103. philjourdan says:

    Many sites (and indeed it is best practice) reference the page internals by the DNS address and not an absolute address. So even though you may be able to “get to”, as soon as it went to load an image or an ASPX, it would fail since it would not be able to find (as an example)

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