Egypt – Part 4 Revolution Redux?

Watching France24 and wandering around their web site, there was this story about Egypt:

Signs of dissent, desperation amid food shortages and rising prices in Egypt

Latest update : 2016-10-16

Despite a widespread government crackdown on dissent, some Egyptians are resorting to drastic measures to express their desperation over the food shortages and double-digit inflation that have made many of life’s necessities hard to come by.

Nearly six years ago, a frustrated and destitute Tunisian street vendor, Mohamed Bouazizi, set himself ablaze, sparking a series of popular revolts across the region now collectively known as the Arab Spring.

Following on the heels of Tunisians, Egyptians took to the street in January 2011 and succeeded in overthrowing President Hosni Mubarak, the repressive military dictator who ruled the country for almost 30 years. But whereas Tunisians managed to build a functioning, if flawed, democracy in the aftermath of their revolt, Egyptians today find themselves under an even more repressive military regime coupled with dwindling food supplies and skyrocketing prices. The price of rice has gone up by 48 percent over the past year while the cost of cooking oil – which is increasingly hard to find – has gone up 32 percent.

And despite a draconian clampdown on dissent, Egyptians are increasingly expressing their desperation.

On Saturday, a 30-year-old taxi driver named Ashraf Mohammed Shaheen self-immolated in front of an army centre in Alexandria. According to press reports citing witnesses, he criticised the government and rising prices before dousing himself in gasoline and setting himself alight. He suffered burns on 95 percent of his body and was rushed to a nearby hospital. News of the incident spread quickly on social media under the Arabic hashtag #Bouazizi_Egypt, a reference to the Tunisian vendor who took similarly desperate measures nearly six years earlier.

Gee… haven’t we seen this movie a few times already? Has nothing been gained for all the suffering and strife of the first couple of turns on the wheel?

Shaheen’s desperate act followed an interview with a tuktuk driver that went viral this week after he spoke for much of the country in expressing his rage over the dire economic situation. The unidentified driver slams the government for spending millions of dollars on lavish ceremonies and mega-projects while ordinary people suffer.

“Before the latest presidential elections [in 2014] we had enough sugar, enough rice, and we even used to export it. So what happened? Where did the sugar go?” he demands. “They waste our money and spend it on so-called national projects, which are useless, and education in Egypt is very bad, even worse than you can ever imagine.”

“This country will rise if there is enough care for education, health and agriculture to provide us with food,” he says.

The interview was aired on the private, pro-government Al Hayat television channel on Wednesday evening and immediately went viral, hitting 6 million views on the channel’s official Facebook page in less than a day, according to Al-Ahram newspaper.

Al-Hayat quickly pulled the video, but by then it had been uploaded elsewhere. On another Facebook page the video racked up 2.2 million views by Thursday night, according to the Associated Press. By Sunday that number had risen to 4.4 million, with the video being shared more than 230,000 times.

They have that video in the original article and it is well worth clicking over and watching it. A regular ‘man in the street’ who drives a tuktuk – one of those almost miniature truck / car with a motorcycle sized engine in it and maybe a top sometimes…

The host of the show that aired the footage has since left for what the network is calling a three-week “personal vacation”, according to Egyptian media reports.

I guess he wanted more “time with the family”…

Rachel Scheier, editor-in-chief of Business Today, an English-language monthly magazine based in Cairo, told FRANCE 24 that the tuktuk driver merely echoed what she has been hearing on the streets. “People in Egypt have been getting steadily poorer since the revolution, and in the meantime prices have gone crazy,” she said.
“After Morsi was removed there was a feeling of goodwill and hope,” Scheier said. “But six months ago there was a palpable shift … All the government does is talk about these mega-projects; meanwhile, people can’t find enough sugar or cooking oil. You can’t buy basic foods at a reasonable price anymore.”

Gee… isn’t something just about like that happening in Venezuela?

And isn’t Europe headed that way, though more slowly and more ‘patchy’, with nations like Greece and Cyprus in the lead, France and Germany catching up more slowly…

Maybe it’s time to reconsider that whole “Government Knows Best” and “Socialism, that’s the ticket, this time for sure!”

If printing money and zero interest rates were able to fix anything, Europe would be thriving, Egypt would be a paradise, and Japan would be rolling in 12% growth.

They aren’t, so it isn’t.

Calls for protest on November 11

Over the weekend another video surfaced on social media sites of a woman blaming the army for the rise in food prices – a brave move in a country where even the slightest hint of criticism of the ruling regime can land one in prison.

“What does it mean that the army says it will subsidise red meat?” She demands. “Why does the army control electricity? Why do they control gas? Why do they control the sewers?”

A Facebook page called Revolution of the Poor has been calling for mass protests on November 11, but it remains to be seen if such demonstrations can go forward in the current climate of repression.

Remember that the Army in Egypt has been considered a guarantor of the people when governments get too draconian… and here we have people getting fed up with them, too. If Central Authority could make economies run just dandy, Egypt would be thriving, since little is more Central nor more Authority than Military Control.

“On the one hand, people are angry and there’s palpable discontent,” Scheier said. “On the other hand, I don’t think anybody thinks the military government is going to allow this protest to actually go anywhere.”

And the public simply may not have the stomach for another popular uprising.

“Things can change quickly in Egypt – so perhaps November 11 will surprise us all. But as of yet, it doesn’t seem like there is a lot of momentum behind them,” Hellyer said. “I think that is testimony not to the idea that the population is not hurting – it is hurting via the economic pressures – but that the space for political organisation has shrunk, and that the population is less inclined to go down the route of mass protests anyway after the tumultuous period of the last five years.”

So let’s see, we have an 11/11/2016 protest scheduled, Egypt about to erupt again, rampant inflation and a collapsing economy. In Venezuela we’ve had similar protests, rampant inflation, and a collapsing economy. Care to place bets on their collapse, what with oil prices staying low, Saudi pumping a lot, and their main customers not interested in buying as much?

Then the Russian Fleet is steaming across the Mediterranean toward Syria. They already have advanced air defenses in place and are busy helping Assad retake his country, while ignoring the USA and NATO, and while cutting deals with Turkey (who has expressed interest in their former Ottoman Turkish Empire parts of The Levant…)

Oh, and don’t forget Saudi Arabia borrowing, what was it, $17 Billion? to fund a nice little religious war in Yemen against the Shia, while Iran has $150 Billion new from the USA to buy toys to support the other side, and put their ships off the coast of Yemen in the grill of the US Navy.

During all this, Obama is playing golf and campaigning for Hillary; while the Trump & Hillary show is more interested in sex stories and email demonstrating corruption for a price with $White $House $Favors $For $Sale $Soon! from Hillary and Trump interested in USA Economic Navel Gazing…


I’d go pour a glass of wine but the box ran dry yesterday… It’s been a hard week in the International News Flow.

IMHO, it will be a miracle if we don’t have a hot war with the destruction of a few more nations on a front running from Tunisia through Libya and Egypt, Gaza, and on to Turkey through Syria, Iraq, and Iran by Proxy; and with the USA and Russia taking hits and trying NOT to shoot down more than a couple of each others planes.

Frankly, it all is starting to remind me of W.W.I and the only thing I can’t figure out is who is Archduke Ferdinand this time…

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37 Responses to Egypt – Part 4 Revolution Redux?

  1. Larry Ledwick says:

    I agree the world is at a slow boil and just waiting for something to turn the heat up and cause it to boil over. Bit by bit all sorts of systems, population groups, political stresses etc. are bumping into road blocks as they try to relieve pressure. Sooner of later a synergistic combination will form which kicks over the first domino then the final outcome will be out of everyone’s control.

    By definition black swans are undefined until after they happen so I would not lose much sleep over it, just keep a watchful eye.

  2. tom0mason says:

    “…the only thing I can’t figure out is who is Archduke Ferdinand this time… ”
    Just pick a high ranking official from Jordan, Qatar, Oman, or United Arab Emirates.

  3. Graeme No.3 says:

    Putin scents weakness in Obama the lame duck. He also thinks that a war threat would help Obama and Hilary and it may get out of hand. Hence calls russians “back home” to highlight problems to Russians, remove possible hostage situations, take credit for resolute defence of russian interests and generate xenophobia towards problems “caused by Americans etc.”
    Obama plays golf and worries that Trump may win.
    In the Middle East no-one knows where the USA stands or will go, so nobody wants to be identified as a supporter.
    Europe is controlled by bureaucrats who lack the skill to understand free economies and the ability to make .
    China would like to humiliate some western nation esp. the strongest – USA – while the going is good, and has no objection to talking sweet to a former USA ally.
    IN the USA the elite and the MSM are obsessed with the thought that Trump might win.
    Good luck!

  4. Ian W says:

    The Archduke will be a high ranking official/politician from Russia shot down ‘accidentally’ by a surface to air missile from ‘someone’ with less training than they should have had for safely identifying aircraft targeted by the system.

  5. H.R. (off saltwater fishing in S.C.) says:

    Who will be Archduke Ferdinand this time?

    It will be Hillary if the vote-rigging can get her elected. After she gets to be the first U.S. woman elected President, she will be of no more use to TPTB, since her health has her on a short downhill slide. Twofer… put her out of her misery and pick the nation you want to start a war with and blame them for the incident. Oh… 3-fer… she is getting to be embarrassing with the Wikileaks emails. An “Archduke Ferdinand” certainly would shift the conversation.

    P.S. to Gail: Wife and I waved to you and your hubby as we passed the Winston-Salem/Yadkinville interchange in N.C. I’m sure the opposing traffic drivers were wondering why ‘that guy’ was waving at ‘them’. Probably looked over their car at the next rest stop, eh?

  6. John Robertson says:

    There seems to be a pattern here.
    As George Carlin said’Its a club and you are not in it”.
    The final diversion inflicted upon the host by their parasites is war.
    Famine,disease and whatever the other horseman is, are too slow today.
    If you want the angry,betrayed, mob off your trail it is always useful to have a preordained scapegoat.
    Witches are out,Jews, been done to death, so now its the Russians for the old folk and Anthropogenic Global Warming for the young.
    The herd stampedes most predictably …until it doesn’t.
    Either we will be set to fighting amongst ourselves, or the Guild of Parasites faces a French Haircut.
    Fairly predictable what outcome our progressive comrades will conspire toward.

  7. pg sharrow says:

    `Prophecy says that “The head Oligarch will be killed by a Muslim group that will celebrate their great feat, It is their down fall as he was supporting them behind the scenes. ”
    It will be the catalyst that brings the world together to end the radical Muslim scourge.
    Any guesses as to the identity of “The Head Oligarch”?…pg

  8. E.M.Smith says:


    When you cite “Prophecy” like that, is it possible to also cite the quatrain or book:chapter:verse?

    I have a dual language French / English of Nostradamus and a dozen variations on the Bible and sometimes I like to look things up in the original language, and it would help a lot to know what book to start in ;-)

    OK, so some guessing: “Oligarch” one of a few in a collective of powerful folks. So not a dictator, emperor, or democratically elected / leaving soon / not a lot of money person. Hmmm….

    I could see that being the head of the UN, except nobody really cares about those mindless yappers or what they say.

    I could see it being the head of the E.U., except I don’t think it has a head, just a bunch of snakes for hair that paralyzes Nations that look upon it too long…

    I could see it as being the head of the USA, except they get kicked out after 8 years no matter what, and are not really an Oligarch.

    Putin? He’s more an Imperial President than Oligarch…

    But wait… The Saudi Kings and Princes run OPEC like an Oligarchy, and make a bundle in the process. Perhaps a Shia ‘take down’ of someone important in The House of Saud? Then you get The West as “the best army then can buy” sucked in, and Russia backing Shia, and all of it ends up in The Middle East doing a ‘mutual takedown’ of both sides… Hmmm….

    To Bad the Saudi ranks don’t include Archduke…

    Or maybe Israel drops a nuke on Iran and the rest unfolds in spectacular fashion?… but is an Ayatollah an Oligarch?… probably not…

    No, it looks to me like someone up high in The House Of Saud, or someone of rank in the EU. Maybe the head of a key country in the EU? as opposed to the EU Parliament or Commission?

    Hmmm…. to many possibles and too little information…

  9. Jeff says:

    11/11 is a special number to the elites (as are 9,13,18,6 and treble6, and any multiple of 11).

    I wouldn’t doubt that Soros is somehow behind this latest uprising, especially as it seems to have a customised “Revolution of the Poor” Facebook page behind it. Also because it’s like the various “spring” movements. Seems like everywhere we turn, the common folk (deplorables, no less) are being bled dry (or effectively set on fire) by the elite.

    The tinfoil-hat part of me wonders if these fires are being lit to aid Hillary’s campaign. Especially considering her ties to the Middle East via the Clinton Foundation. Meanwhile, here in Germany, the “creepy clowns” are making waves…

  10. gallopingcamel says:

    What you are watching is the unfolding of dismal Malthusian policies that will eventually lead to the downsizing of humanity by up to 90%………………over 6 billion of us have to die to make globalists comfortable according to their “Agenda 21”.

    Here in the USA the leftist “Establishment” is in control thanks to the unholy alliance of the grandees of the two major political parties, the banks, academia, big business, the trade unions, the “Media” and many useful idiots.

    Is there any hope for “We the People”? Not if we elect the shamelessly corrupt Hillary Clinton as president.

  11. gallopingcamel says:

    We are serfs when the “Media” is in bed with government.

    If Donald Trump is our next president the “Media” will be intensely hostile and they will amplify every tiny misdeed of the Trump administration. That is exactly how the “Media” should operate to prevent government over-reach.

  12. Larry Ledwick says:

    This year is a change election year even in Europe. People are fed up with the same old same old thing in politics.

  13. pg sharrow says:

    @EMSmith; Sorry that I can’t site line and verse of various prophets to you. Not the way my brain works. I read everything that lands on my “desk” and move on. The connections just happen later. When I fix basket cases it is by Reverse engineering the missing parts from the parts in view. Prophetic vision works the same way, You get to see small parts of the movie and have to try to understand the whole thing and explain it to others in a manner that they might grasp. To create a “psychic” vision some mind must see the event, create a strong enough impression that another mind might perceive it over space and time and then correctly report it. Remember back in the old days of AM radio and amalgam fillings, sometimes people could receive the nearby radio broadcast in their heads or teeth. Now imagine flashes of TV as well, in your head. Now correct for wishful thinking, day or night dreaming, etc. and impressions of viewing Hollywood movies. If I quoit “Prophecy”, I am reporting others visions that seem to be valid.

    As to “the head oligarch”. I should think that would mean one that controls others thru money or power. Putin or Soros comes to my mind but is as of yet unknown to me. “Prophecy” for this time is, For the time being Russia is the hope of the eastern christian world to blunt the Muslim sword that is now poised to eradicate them. It will seem that the christian west has lost it’s will and even the Pope has seemed to turned his back on them. ………Pretty much seems to be spot on to me.
    Next the assassination of the head oligarch and the armies of the world unite to eradicate the radicals that GOD has brought together in this place.
    Hard to tell just who are the chess pieces that think that THEY are the player…pg

  14. E.M.Smith says:


    Any idea why those numbers are “special”? I get that 11 and 13 are primes and the others are multiples of 3, then 3×6 being the Beast#; but it just seems like there are a lot of other primes… and multiples of 3…


    I suspect if Trump wins, the media will be in shock for the first year, and in court for the next 3…


    I get the impression that Soros and the Agenda21 folks got full of themselves with early success but that the general public awareness has been raised by the horrid mess that’s been made, and once awareness sinks in, well, it is hard to ‘unsee’ things…

    I know that for me, 5 years ago I had zero clue about Agenda 21 or the UN processes and as recently as 2 years ago thought anything named “trade deal” would be about trade… Now I know better, and I can’t un-know it.

    You can get away with a lot in darkness and stealth, but once the flood lights come on and a 1000 eyes stare at you, well, it’s harder to get away with crap then. IMHO, the floodlights are now on Soros and his Minions and there’s a LOT of folks lifting up rugs and buying cockroach spray…

    Then there’s Putin. He ‘caught clue’ and issued an arrest warrant. Now he’s being vilified in the West. It’s a Very Bad Idea to vilify a guy with the most nukes AND an FSB that can deliver polonium laced cigarettes and coffee anywhere in the world… It’s my opinion that Putin and Soros are in a slow cold war of their own, and it’s getting warmer every day. I’d not want to be either of them… but I’d love to watch ;-)

    In General:

    Hillary is fighting for her life (and jail avoidance) and the spectacle is absolutely clear to the masses – note the chants of “Lock Her UP!”… that isn’t just political theater. Folks “get it” about her being a criminal. The only question is do enough folks get it… and are not themselves bought off… In fighting that death match, the covers are being blown off the whole operation. Again, something that can’t be ‘un-seen’… Either they go for broke and a full on Authoritarian State, or there will be a lot of hell to pay in the fallout…

    We’ve already got an FBI that’s in Rodney Dangerfield land and “Can’t Get No Respect” for at least as long as Democrats remain in power; a Judicial Branch that is being seen as a packed court for political effect – i.e. why submit willingly to their political decisions?; and an Attorney General’s office that’s clearly just for Protection Racket and Political Hit Squad use, and then there’s the IRS not as tax collector, but political persecutor… We’ve got 100% of the trappings of a 3rd World Banana Republic. Only thing missing is a military coup… and I hope we don’t end up going there ’cause it would be a mess beyond belief.

    The only really good news is that the best they can do is drive the country to Venezuela Land as that’s the inevitable outcome of their debt path and policies. They can’t get effective control of the USA of today, they can only break it. And that would have dire consequences for them more than for the average guy who’s got little to lose anyway.

    IMHO, long before getting there, the international scene would blow up so badly (as the USA pressures would be seen as evaporated and all the things that’s been holding down will blow up…) that there would be an horrific revolt across so much of the globe that the American People would demand a more responsible government. (Even the Evil Rich Bastards don’t like it when their investments are being blown up and burned to the ground…) We’re seeing the early rounds of that now across all of North Africa into the Levant, and up to Russia, and the wholesale migration of Africa into Europe (with the essential revolt against the Soros Way happening there now, from Brexit to Le Pen to Hungary to … and Turkey about to reform the core of the Ottoman Turk Empire… Nothing like a little Global Chaos to cause a conservative movement to get traction.

    IF Hillary wins, she will face an essentially ungovernable split in the USA. Folks from both the Bernie camp and the Trump Train are not just going to go home and make pies… Even if it is just being “passive aggressive” via not getting a job and going on the dole instead, all sorts of sand is going into all sorts of gears…. “Fix it or break it” is how a very large segment feels. Trump can fix it. If not, well…

    As one small example: I’m a news junkie. I’ve come to realize that watching a rotation of CNN, MSNBC, Fox and Local News does NOT give any real information. It used to, a decade back, but not now. So I’ve set the timer. In 1.5 years I ‘cut the cord’ and they get $0 from me. One Small Step… among millions of other small steps being taken. AT&T has announced they are buying Time Warner. OK, that’s just more stuff I don’t need to bother watching… I’ve “moved on” to folks with better global news coverage and less “Agenda”… There’s a couple of religious channels that I’ve discovered have news programs… more on that later… but there’s a whole world of news NOT being “managed” for political purposes. So color me “outa here” on CNN, MSNBC, Local News and perhaps even Fox as they slowly change to a non-news channel… Oddly, I find RT a great source of ‘perspective’ on the USA as they are highly motivated to show just exactly those things that the American PTB want hidden…

    So IF Hillary gets elected, and she leans on The Trusted News Suckups to “condition the public”, well, I’m just not going to be there for conditioning. Nor will 10s of Millions of other “cord cutters”. At best it will accelerate the trend dramatically. Same thing goes for newspapers. Saw a NY Times at Starbucks on Saturday. Thin little sickly thing. Last time I’d seen one it was about 3 inches thick. This couldn’t even make 1/2 inch and was on smaller size paper too…

    Oh, remember I’d done a “paper audit” in the neighborhood and counted ‘papers in brown plastic’ as the major count of newspapers? Well, I got one of those in my driveway early Saturday. Seems it is a local ‘free’ paper that is 100% advertising. No paper! I’d not known this since the spouse is the early bird and she tosses ours in the recycle before I’d ever seen it. Just this day I got up early… So that count of “who gets the paper” is way high…

    At any rate, I dearly hope Trump wins instead. He at least wants to fix things and while he’d not get 1/4 of his agenda done, it would at least un-do a lot of broken from the last dozen years.

    Oh, and to finish on a positive note:

    Just like Obama has assured no more Black Presidents for a very long time (as the ‘White Guilt’ vote has realized it was a mistake to vote for him), a Hillary election will assure no future Women Presidents for a generation… She will do so much damage and break so many things and aggravate so may folks that the phrase “Woman President” will be synonymous with “Evil Incompetent Witch” for 30 years. (in a way, too bad. Had we gotten a decent Republican Woman in the process, she WOULD be elected and we’d likely have a string of Women POTUS’s for a long time… Oh Well… My dream ticket for diversity would have been a Ben Carson / Carly ticket… but it was not to be…) The Dimocrats ought to be careful what they wish for, as getting it will put a spike in their ambitions and lock them in their vampire coffin for a generation… If they win, they lose big…

  15. E.M.Smith says:


    Well, that sounds like Nostradamus to me, so I guess I’ll hit that book and see if I can find the cite. If not, no worries. It’s just an idle curiosity for me anyway… I like to keep a tally on matches of such things, but don’t plan on them being right more than wrong. Like the Space Aliens Channel, er, I mean “History” Channel… It’s fun to watch, but I’m pretty sure it’s 90% BS ;-) (It’s that 10% that keeps me wondering…)

  16. Larry Ledwick says:

    Our election comedy show had pretty well hidden some other world news worth monitoring.
    India and Pakistan are involved in a tense confrontation right now which has been largely overlooked here in the US. Given they are both nuclear capable states it could get ugly if it gets out of control.

    I guess the question is this just a bit of chest bumping between regional antagonists or does it have potential to develop into a bigger problem.

    Is this the equivalent of the team owner saying they have the utmost confidence in the coach just before they fire him?

  17. Larry Ledwick says:

    Then we have Russia trying out its force projection capability with the Admiral Kunetsov.
    Keeping in mind that only a handful of countries even have a single full size carrier it is if nothing else a symbol.

    Of course a case could be made that the modern aircraft carriers is obsolete like the battleship was in WWII it just does no know it yet. Thanks to high speed antiship missiles possibly with nuclear warheads it is a real possibility that they would not survive long in an all out shooting war between major powers.

    Or as some say :
    What do Submariners call an aircraft carrier?

  18. philjourdan says:

    We are witnessing what happens when you create a power vacuum. Golfing is no substitute for leadership.

  19. H.R. (off saltwater fishing in S.C.) says:

    @philjourdan – “Golfing is no substitute for leadership.”

    Word on the streets is that Obama cheats at golf.

  20. M Simon says:

    Jeff says:
    23 October 2016 at 6:13 pm

    Don’t forget 111. And the British spy 666 – supposedly instrumental on the occult side in the rise of the Austrian Corporal.

    He lived in the US during WW1. Supposedly working with/for the Germans.

  21. M Simon says:

    Larry Ledwick says:
    24 October 2016 at 7:35 am

    Lasers that can defeat anti-ship missiles are already in the deployment stage. I believe they are 20KW jobs with the next generation being 100KW. That is not a lot of power compared to what a CG or a CVN can generate. Even a DLG can afford that. You would need to swarm a ship to get hits. And the swarm had better be very well timed.

    It takes more than 200Kg of explosives to put down a capital ship. They are not to hard to put out of action – for a while. That is why the Navy trains in damage control. Often. When I was aboard ship my General Quarters station was Damage Control Central.

  22. M Simon says:

    E.M.Smith says:
    24 October 2016 at 6:22 am

    I am prime. I was born on a Friday the 13th. Lucky for me eh?

  23. pg sharrow says:

    If you are really bored and want to read Nostradamus I would recommend “The Prophecies of Nostradamus” by Erica Cheetam, to start. followed by “Conversations with Nostradamus” 3 books by Doloras Cannon. Most other books that I have read on Nostradamus are crap. or write your own! The writings of Nostradamus are the most copied and commented on of any work created other then the bible Also several links to other prophecies on the net can be found here at the wizard’s page:

    A Nostradamus prophecy is that “500 years from his time, his works would be properly interpreted, Not by an educated man and it would be a great comfort to the people of that time.”
    A good winter project. Take you a long week! ;-)…pg

  24. M Simon says:

    It looks like Trump is buying insurance from the people who sell it on the sly.

    But that same article points out a split in TPTB. Former DEA Agents are coming out against parts of the Prohibition regime. I first twigged to this a year ago. There is a part of that organization – and it is not just one TLA – that want to cut their losses. And another part that feels if they give in on anything they will lose everything. The “lose everything” folks are correct. But there is nothing they can do about it. The “cut the losses” people are doing the rational thing. But it is only a delaying tactic. And they must know that.

    Once the fear no longer works it evaporates in a lot of areas.

  25. M Simon says:

    pg sharrow says:
    24 October 2016 at 2:09 pm

    I have “invented” (more properly designed) a device for making your own prophecy.

    You may be amused.

  26. M Simon says:

    Larry Ledwick says:
    24 October 2016 at 7:35 am

    A typical peace time deployment cycle is one month on station and two months r&r for the crew and refurbishing the ship. And that is for ships built to American standards. Russian QC is not as good.

    It is why the USNavy has so many CVNs. Twelve ships allow for 4 roaming the world at any given time. Eight in an emergency or war time. We are down to 11 so 3 and 2/3rds ships are usually available.

  27. pg sharrow says:

    During Nam we kept carrier groups under way and on station for upwards of 100 days. Damn hard on man and machine. and the tail that wags this attack dog is huge. Only the US can maintain this kind of enterprise for generations.
    The founding fathers understood the need for a strong Naval presence. The Constitution calls for the congress to fund a permanent Navy and the Navy will have Marines. The Army and therefore Airforce on the other hand are temporary and must be refunded every 2 years…pg

  28. M Simon says:

    pg sharrow says:
    24 October 2016 at 3:39 pm

    During ‘Nam I was running with the Enterprise on the Bainbridge (DLG(N)-25). We got into port about once a month for a few days. That was in ‘early ’66.

    More than once at sea I got to ride through a typhoon. A typhoon beached my Dad’s ship in WW2. Escatawpa, AOG 27

  29. M Simon says:

    I should add that I answered your question on the Magic 80 Ball™ page.

  30. Larry Ledwick says:

    This does not quite fit here since is not about the middle east but does not much fit anywhere else either. Wiki leaks email between Soros and Podesta regarding Obama encouraging radical islam in Malaysia to facilitate TPP passage. More related to stirring the pot of revolution than anything which sort of fits here.

    It is hard to follow who is doing what to whom and why even if you have a program.

  31. E.M.Smith says:


    On my self is a Nostradamus book with the original French on one side and translation to English on the other. I find it a nice read as I can compare the two without turning pages. It’s sometimes a bit dense, but spooky in others. I think many of the ‘explanations’ are crap. Like Hister as Hitler. The Hister was a common name for a river then, no need to turn it into something else.

    Maybe I need to find it again…


    It’s only a matter of time. Nobody is ‘bought in’ to the WOD anymore. You have retired folks who smoke up and police and more. Heck, Magic Cookies are for sale in storefronts. (Though don’t eat the whole thing… about 1/5 of one was more than … {someone}… needed and took a couple of days to get over…)

    IMHO we’ve got lots of ‘directed energy weapons’ mostly under wraps… and hypersonic airframes with at least sub-orbital ability. The tech to do those things is about 20+ years old; only reason to not see them in flight now is that they like to have 2 generations on before the ‘reveal’ of the next level above what’s public now. You only know what the other guy has after the war is well underway, and our guys know that too…


    Yeah, that whole “use Islam to stir the pot and break nations” is still a little unclear to me. I know why Soros want’s to take down European Nations and all, but why he wants to screw up the rest of the world and spread Islam all over doesn’t click for me. There’s a missing piece somewhere… and it isn’t just Saudi Arabia pushing it. Yes, they are, but Soros is OK with it, so… why? Hmmm…

  32. Zeke says:

    inre: “Then the Russian Fleet is steaming across the Mediterranean toward Syria. They already have advanced air defenses in place and are busy helping Assad retake his country…and while cutting deals with Turkey (who has expressed interest in their former Ottoman Turkish Empire parts of The Levant…)

    But who might be supporting Turkish territorial ambitions in the Middle East? Since I read this remark here on Cheifio’s about resurrecting the Ottoman Empire/Caliphate, more evidence has been revealed that it is the US which is aiding and abetting Erdogan.

    Turkey’s Erdogan buying influence “via donations to Democratic candidates” including Hillary Clinton

    The attempted coup has been used to maximum advantage by the Erdogan regime to tighten control and increase Isl-mization in Turkey. It has been very convenient for him. So just because the US is refusing to allow Turkey to extradite the instigator, does not necessarily mean anything.

  33. Zeke says:

    inre: aiding and abetting Turkish territorial ambitions

    Obama calls for close cooperation with Turkey on ISIL fight [in IRAQ]

    (AFP) President Barack Obama on Wednesday spoke by phone with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, urging close cooperation in the fight against the ISIL Takfiri group, the White House said.

    In addition, the US president called for more dialogue on what he said “the appropriate level and form of Turkey’s participation in the Counter-ISIL Coalition’s efforts in Iraq.”

    Obama and Erdogan agreed on their “strong support for the territorial integrity of Iraq,” the statement said.

    Turkey’s positioning of troops in northern Iraq and its insistence that it has a role in the Mosul offensive have led to sharp exchanges with the Iraqi government.

    This week Iraq insisted that Turkey was not participating in the Mosul attack, rejecting Turkish claims that it was.

  34. Zeke says:

    archived email just in case

    ———- Forwarded message ———- From: *Michael Werz* Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 Subject: Flagging Turkish campaign donations To: John Podesta

    John, heard this second hand but more than once. Seems Erdogan faction is making substantial investments in U.S. to counter opposition (CHP, Kurds, Gulenists etc.) outreach to policymakers and USG. Am told that the Erdogan crew also tries to make inroads via donations to Democratic candidates, including yours. Two names that you should be aware of are *Mehmet Celebi* and *Ali Cinar*. Happy to elaborate on the phone, provided you are not shopping at the liquor store. M.

  35. Larry Ledwick says:

    Egypt just devalued its currency by 48% to get and IMF loan.

  36. myrddinseren says:

    The Saudis just turned off the oil tap to Egypt.

    No money, no oil and vastly dependent of food imports.

    Unless some generous souls start pouring more money in to the black hole that is Egypt, it looks like it will blow – and soon.

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