Hillary, Trump, The Election and Aftermath

This is part four, and hopefully the last part, of the ongoing saga of Hillary, Trump, their clash and public screw-ups, and more scandals than I can track.

We’re now in the election, with the formal “Election Day” opening in just about 8 hours (though with so much ‘vote early vote often’ voting ahead of ‘election day’ I’m wondering if we’re past the point where it means anything anymore…)

Prior start of this thread at:


Second Section at:


The Third:


Now we have Hillary and Billy Boy accused of pedophilia per what their email implies, we’ve got the FBI saying that they read 650,000 emails and understood their content and all the to/from chain in about a week, and that Nothing Is There yet again, despite the Clintons already being clearly in the commission of felonies from destruction of documents to leaking classified email to graft and more. Frankly, simply finding the email on a non-clearance computer owned in an insecure location by a non-cleared person is a crime. (Probably a bunch of them…)

Oh, and Hillary liked to have a maid handler her classified FAXs and copy work for her. Oh the stupid is strong in her…

Well, just think, in only about 24 more hours we’ll (hopefully) be done with this Circus Of The Absurd & Unbelievable. About 1/2 of the U.S. Population will be in shock, and ready for violent revolution;… only which half is unclear…

In other news, the stock market took a long 10 day ‘slow crash’ with the record for successive down days. Then promptly shot back up to… where it started. IMHO, the sell down was traders driving it down with shorts, and the rise was a short cover just prior to the election day (when they would not be able to position anyway…) and it means nothing other than that the market has been abandoned by the retail customer and the traders are playing with their own members… everyone else trying to just avoid contagion.

What would I predict? In December, The Fed will raise rates and the stock market will tumble a bit. If Hillary wins, I would expect a pop for about 3 days, then a long drop over 4 years. If Trump wins, I’d expect a drop for about 3 days, then a long rise over 4 years. Then again, you trade the market you get, not what you expect. It’s all “Liar’s Poker”, so reason need not apply (much).

With that: hopefully things go well, we get a functioning government, and both sides worst fears about the other candidate will turn out to be wrong. The alternative is too horrific to contemplate…

Let the voting, counting of hanging chads, and contesting of contests begin!

Personally, I think the most fun will be watching the “Bridge” game (game behind the surface game) unfold. As Russia tries to un-hack the DNC hacked voting machines, the Republicans try to “police the vote” while the Democrats try not to be caught too clearly stuffing ballot boxes, and really hoping the ‘record turnout’ doesn’t push the total vote higher than the number of voters… That would be too embarrassing even for them… All the while with Anonymous watching all of them over their shoulders, and taking snaps to share later ;-)

Who will be elected? Well, the Russian Hackers are darned good these days, yet the Democrats have a great “Ground Game” (read: finding dead people to vote and running charters between States to get a dozen votes per staffer racked up…) while Anonymous is better than the Russians, but doesn’t have enough people to cover it all. Then there’s the TLA’s… Were I to bet, I’d bet on the NSA guys getting the final vote hack in. From what I hear, they are not very fond of Hillary (she having outed some of their folks and methods…) So I’d bet on Trump winning the TLA Wars. Then there’s always the question of Secret Service, CIA, FBI, NYPD et. al. being really peeved. But I’d bet the NSA guys are better hackers… OTOH, maybe NYPD will issue an Arrest Warrant at 8 AM EDT just to season the pot ;-) Do be prepared for a “Dewey Wins!” moment and collect the pre-printed newspapers with “Hillary Wins!” when the vote gets un-hacked…

Watch for higher voter turn out in States with Voting Machines than in those with paper ballots as one indicia of “something fishy”, and “more votes than voters” would be a wonderful bit of spice ;-)

So, finally, that most important question of all:

With what to “self medicate” in the aftermath?

I’m thinking Vodka. Straight Shots as a bit of a salute to the Russians for keeping our election honest… or as a nice prop “Water Glass” to sip as the results come in if Clinton leads… Then if Trump pulls ahead, make it a Vodka Martini…

Or perhaps Tequila, for celebration of drowning the sorrows of all the “Illegals” headed out, or as salute to their success at voting in the person who will keep them here…

Then again, in the all things rotten and fermented department, there are some really strong beers. Belgian Abby types made with wild yeasts that just blow in on the wind and start rotting the grains.. but ends up with a rich beer… Or perhaps a very Lite Domestic Lager – it pretends to be something, but really is just a false promise, being really devoid of redeeming values and basically just piss-water in the making… kind of like politicians in general…

Decisions decisions…

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221 Responses to Hillary, Trump, The Election and Aftermath

  1. Larry Ledwick says:

    I am going out on a limb, Trump will score an historic win, with a land slide capture of some formerly blue states. (apparently Colorado is poised to go red this time around) as the flood of the monster vote (folks who rarely or never vote because they think there is no difference in the parties), go all in for Trump to send a message. Also for the first time in living memory a Republican candidate is not writing off the black vote and actively working for the Hispanic vote block.

    If this is true, the vote participation percentage will spike in this election to rarely seen levels.
    The allegations of satanic practices etc. will not play well with observant catholic Hispanics or the strongly religious Black communities. Add a few Trump-o-crats who want to bring back manufacturing and production jobs and you might give the Democrats a bloody nose this year.

    We will know in about 24 hours (if Hillary is losing and it is tight they will not call key states until very late), if there is a Trump Tsunami, they might not be able to hold off those calls.

    Will the Clintons be on a plane to some country which has no extradition treaty tomorrow evening?

  2. Zeke says:

    Julian Assange on the most important leaked emails:

    In 24 minutes, Julian Assange delivers more information and analysis than 10,000 of our commeneriatti did all season. This is what people need to know about the Clintonistas. But I feel like the interview was quickly buried and that I found it too much by accident.

    Here is some of the transcript:

    JP: The Saudis, the Qataris, the Moroccans, the Bahrainis, particularly the Saudis and the Qataris, are giving all this money to the Clinton Foundation while Hilary Clinton is Secretary of State and the State Department is approving massive arms sales, particularly to Saudi Arabia.

    JA: Under Hillary Clinton, the world’s largest ever arms deal was made with Saudi Arabia, [worth] more than $80 billion. In fact, during her tenure as Secretary of State, total arms exports from the United States in terms of the dollar value, doubled.

    JP: Of course the consequence of that is that the notorious terrorist group called ISIl or ISIS is created largely with money from the very people who are giving money to the Clinton Foundation.

    JA: Yes.

  3. Zeke says:

    O but there is so much more about HRCs destabilization of Libya. No matter what outcome we have in the election, this interview will prove to be extremely important in understanding what happened and what the game is with the Clintons.

    Now I could not help but notice that Hillary Clinton, despite all of this, was out claiming that Donald J Trump was “sold out” to the gun lobby.

    Hillary Clinton on Monday night attacked Donald Trump’s close ties to the gun industry as she campaigned with gun control advocates former Rep. Gabby Giffords and her husband, former astronaut Mark Kelly.

    At a rally in Cincinnati, Ohio, the Democratic presidential nominee renewed her call for comprehensive background checks and closing the gun show loophole. She also took aim at gun groups’ spending on ads for Trump, the GOP nominee.
    “Donald Trump won’t stand up to the gun lobby. He sold out to them.” Clinton said on Monday. “I will stand up to them as president.”

    “The gun lobby is spending more on ads to get Donald Trump elected more than any other group,” she added.

    That’s a bit rich for someone who has finished an $80 billion arms deal with the Saudis, who are in fact arming ISIS. And now she wants to do back ground checks on us.

  4. Power Grab says:

    I saw on Facebook the cover of a national magazine with HRC on the front. It was a commemorative issue. The person showing it works in a bookstore. They get magazines early.

  5. Larry Ledwick says:

    Apparently CNN just changed their estimate of likely voting outcome and their new map shows a much closer race than in the recent past.


  6. Another Ian says:


    For an outsider

    Is your FBI chief pronounced as “James Con-me”?

  7. Steve C says:

    Well, this is it, then, the quadrennial Freak Show (or do I mean Puppet Show?) will be over tomorrow for another four years. (Assuming democracy survives, of course :-). After the blizzard of “hate speech” from both sides over the past few months, it’s going to seem strangely quiet afterwards whoever is deemed to have won. (And from what I’ve read about your “voting machines”, “deemed” seems to be the appropriate verb here.)

    So, Go, America! – down to the Polling Station and vote, vote vote … and good luck to ye. Signed, Steve, voted for “Brexit” over four months ago and still waiting for any meaningful action from “our” petty, squabbling “leaders” …

  8. RobL says:

    As a non-Usaian I am with my rational hat on best served by a Clinton victory – she is free trade and business as usual which is better for international trading nations and market stability. But for her appalling lack of ethics, and criminality so corrosive to respect for the rule of law I am ABC (anyone but Clinton). Trump will not be an effective president should he win without party support, but I guess there would be some small chance that he could start a process of reform of the failing US democracy (though hard to see how without backing of GOP or Dems).

    Either way good luck to all of you suffering under the process and outcome of this election.

  9. G. Combs says:

    Zeke, the youtube I just watched did not have ANYTHING about the Clintons. It was only a short about the reason Assange was in the embassy. When I reloaded the correct video came up. — Weird.

  10. beththeserf says:

    Good luck America,
    once land of the free,
    may yr overcome tyranny,
    C L E X I T !

  11. G. Combs says:

    RobL says: “….Trump will not be an effective president should he win without party support… “

    Do not underestimate Trump and his band of Vulgarians. We are now awake and although Trump may not have the support of the GOPe(stablishment) he does have the support of the American people.

    Trump is just the manifestation of ‘Cold Anger’ that first showed up as the Tea Party. Unfortunately the Tea Party did not have good leadership and got taken over by the GOPe and bashed by the MSM.

    This time we DO have good leadership. Trump has assembled a great team and we are no longer babes in the woods swayed by the corrupt MSM. The MSM went all out to support Hillary and trash Trump. They tossed their last grenades and it rolled back into their camp and blew up in their face. (Thanks WIKILeaks)

    The revelations coming out about Hillary and her roll in forming ISIS, her dealings in the occult, possible human trafficing in children, pedophilia…. Are all going to keep the elite very busy. Even felons hat baby rapers.

    As a builder with high class hotels and clubs all over the world, I would not be surprised if Trump has an entire vault full of incriminating evidence against the elite. Google has hidden the article, but sometime back Trump was invited to an Epstein party. He figured out what was going on in short order and left soon after arriving. In 2008, Epstein was convicted of soliciting an underage girl for prostitution so it would have been before that. That means he has had a decade to collect evidence knowing he might one day run for president….

    Never forget that Trump made it big in NYC so he is no innocent. My father was run out of NYC by the mob who wanted to take over the union he started. (A good friend of mine from a mob family knows the real godfather.)

  12. A C Osborn says:

    As a Brit, I am surprised at the parallels between Brexit and your Election.
    In both cases you have the Establishment exagerating, outright lying, controlling the media, vote rigging and bringing on “personalities” to back them up.
    We also had roughly half the population either completely gullible, uninformed, personally involved or corrupt, beleiving and supporting the establishment.

    We won in the UK, but also lost due to government shenaningans, ie Cameron resiging instead of backing & immediately invoking Article 50 as he promised to do and then May delaying the introduction of Article 50 allowing all sorts of behind the scenes attacks & delays to be set up.

  13. A C Osborn says:

    Oh I forgot, good luck guys, I hope Trump does it, but I am not holding my breath due to how corrupt your establishment is.
    I think it is actually quite a bit worse than ours and they are bad enough.

  14. A C Osborn says:

    I also forgot to mention the parallels between Climate Change, Brexit & your Election.
    All the same “actors” and “audiences” are involved, if they believe in Climate Change they believe in the Eu and they believe in Clinton and they believe the media.

  15. Gail Combs says:

    Sarrask puts what I am trying to say in just a couple of sentences.

    Yes, my sister in a red state was thinking of not voting, because she didn’t think her vote mattered. I reminded her that Reagan got things passed by going directly to the public and bypassing the Congressional filter. It helped him get his agenda passed by the fact that he won by 10% instead of just squeaking by.

  16. Gail Combs says:

    These will be the small towns.

  17. RobL says:

    Gail: Trump is just one man, he has a lot of energy for a 70 year old, but everyone at 70 has failing mental faculties, and falling energy levels and above all he is just 1 man. Given his background I am not sure he has the perseverance or intelligence (and hasn’t displayed particularly tight discipline on his mouth/emotions) to fight a protracted battle against all the entrenched branches of the civil service, insiders and elected officials of both parties and both houses arrayed against his talk of reforms.

    I would love to see him succeed with some electoral reform (particularly campaign finance, less sure about term limits – some experienced hands with their power held in check are needed), but I don’t think it is realistic without bipartisan support.

    As much as I understand and sympathise with the plight of the blue collar (and increasingly the middle class) worker almost all economists would agree that his plans for trade barriers, import duties etc will have negative impact on US (and global) economy, making their situation worse. I think the focus instead has to go on stopping the finance/banking sector from extracting nearly the totality of surplus/profit/growth from the economy as they have for the last generation (either through taxes or other measures), where historically they took a much smaller fraction of the wealth to efficiently source and place capital.

  18. Showed up at the polls with my wife thirty minutes…only 12th in line. At least it was paper ballots, so I feel more comfortable that my vote will be counted. Well over 100 by the time the poll opened.

    Now enjoying a shrimp, crawfish, and andouille omelette. Yum!

  19. Gail Combs says:

    Ben Garrison really nails it! (I love his cartoons.)

  20. philjourdan says:

    I wish I still had my bottle of Tequila. Sadly, my wife drank it.

  21. philjourdan says:

    @Regis – a few more in line for me, but a lot shorter than the last 2 elections. And we went paper 4 years ago (we had the machines). The state is getting rid of all voting machines.

  22. H.R. (off saltwater fishing in S.C.) says:

    Our property abuts a church that sits on about 6 acres. It’s used as a polling place. All I have to do is look out the back door and look at the parking lot. So far, the turnout of early voters stopping on the way to work is YUGE! They are spilling out into the grassy overflow lot.

    I have never seen this many cars in the lot for any election in the 16 years we’ve been in this house. I’ll post reports during the day if significant changes in the traffic occur.

  23. Gail Combs says:

    A reminder from Treeper Trumped, that if you encounter any problems casting a ballot or if you witness any disruptions at a polling location please call our Voter Assistance Hotline at

    (844) 332-2016.

    You can also report any of these incidents on-line at:


  24. A C Osborn says:

    RobL says:
    8 November 2016 at 11:54 am

    ” almost all economists would agree”
    Therein lies your problem, as in Brexit you cannot believe anything coming out of the establishment, especially on Economics, we had the Bank of England, the IMF and many other organisations and private economists saying it would be a disaster.
    Practically all of them are now saying that they got it wrong and revised their calls to Positive.

  25. I am with Larry Ledwick on the presidential race………….Trump tsunami. This election is a rerun of 1980. Let’s hope Larry and I don’t have to “Eat Crow”.

    I am with Gail when she says Trumpists are the TEA party with better leadership. In the event of a Trump win the GOP will have the option of reforming itself into a “Workers’ Party” or being replaced by a new TEA/Trump party.

    We live in interesting times.

  26. RobL, 8 November 2016 at 11:54 am

    “Gail: Trump is just one man………………”

    While that is true, Napoleon was just one man but he hired some pretty effective generals who bought into his vision.

    Given Trump’s background he won’t be interested in military conquest. The people he hires will want to build things and get America working again.

  27. E.M.Smith says:

    Per Economists agreeing:

    Never gonna happen… Much of the world economists are Communists or Socialists, the other large parts are Capitalists (or Austrians or Chicago School or Keynsians or…) thus the traditional Economist joke:

    IF you laid all the Economists in the world end to end, you still could not reach a conclusion…

    ANYONE who claims a concensus of Economists: is naive (at best, and unaware of the rest of the world) or flat out lying. I know, since I are one and I can’t even agree with myself! ;-)

  28. Jason Calley says:

    Hey RobL! “As much as I understand and sympathise with the plight of the blue collar (and increasingly the middle class) worker almost all economists would agree that his plans for trade barriers, import duties etc will have negative impact on US (and global) economy, making their situation worse. ”

    It may be true that free trade would be better than Trump’s plan for barriers and duties — but we have not had free trade for over a hundred years (if ever!). While the globalists tell us that the agreements they want are for “free trade”, the truth is that all the global trading agreements are for more and more regulations that funnel higher profits to the politically well connected. (It has become a truism that any political legislation will be named the exact opposite of what it really does.) True free trade agreements would only need one sentence on one piece of paper: “You sell us your stuff, we sell you our stuff, no import or export fees, no duties, no restrictions.” Instead we are given trade agreements that run into the thousands of pages and in addition give vast power to unelected bureaucrats. Think! All that verbiage would not be needed if we were being offered free trade.

  29. Gail Combs says:

    Trump has been working towards this goal for a couple of decades. He already had his plan put together and his team picked a while ago. Trump is a VERY SUCCESSFUL EXEC. and that is what scares the crap out of the globalists. Trump believes in planning and then moving fast with a lean and mean team to come in on time and under budget. On top of that many of the things Trump wants to do do not require Congressional support since he is the Exec. The law to build a wall is already on the books as are the immigration laws. All he has to do is enforce them. Regulations ARE NOT LAWS and come under the exec.

    Think about it. The Globalist team is bloated, and if Reddit, 4Chan and others are correct, into the occult, drugs, alcohol and pedophilia. This keeps everyone under control but does not make for an eager focused team. Just look at Wiener, he jumped ship as soon as he could and it looks like Huma followed him.

    A president can not ‘repeal regulations’ but he does have the power of enforcing them and can do what Obama did selectively enforce. He can also select Supreme Court Justices that will over turn some of the ‘progressive’ trashing of the US Constitution like regulations = law. More important he can push educating people about OUR RIGHT of Jury nullification.

  30. pg sharrow says:

    American people have always been for FREE trade. The Elite have always been for control, By Them. Use government to create TOLL Gates that the connected Elite control. The American Civil War was started by the Federal Government enforcing a new law that gave New England traders/shippers control over all shipping and international commerce from and to the United States. Federal ships blockaded southern ports to prevent foreign ships from delivering or picking up freight. Fort Sumter and others fired on any foreign ship that approached. All brought to you by another crooked Illinois lawyer and the New York Elite…pg

  31. Zeke says:

    The American Civil War was started by the Federal Government enforcing a new law that gave New England traders/shippers control over all shipping and international commerce from and to the United States. Federal ships blockaded southern ports to prevent foreign ships from delivering or picking up freight. Fort Sumter and others fired on any foreign ship that approached. All brought to you by another crooked Illinois lawyer and the New York Elite…pg

    Well, happy Veteran’s Day to you all too.

    I have over a dozen Veterans in my family who fought for the North, and afterwards went on to settle the vast Western Territories, free of slavery and slave owners. And they settled in the new states having, as a great generation, stood up and settled the question of involuntary servitude in America once and for all:

    The US Constitution
    Thirteenth Amendment, Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

    Freedom isn’t easy. Some neighbors in Nebraska, busting sod houses:

    Every state after that prohibited involuntary servitude in their own constitutions, so there is much to be thankful for on November 11, Veteran’s Day.

  32. Zeke says:

    And speaking of November holidays, a Happy Thanksgiving as well:

    October 3, 1863

    By the President of the United States
    A Proclamation

    The year that is drawing toward its close has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties, which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source from which they come, others have been added, which are of so extraordinary a nature that they cannot fail to penetrate and soften the heart which is habitually insensible to the ever-watchful providence of Almighty God.

    In the midst of a civil war of unequaled magnitude and severity, which has sometimes seemed to foreign states to invite and provoke their aggressions,[there’s your blocked ships] peace has been preserved with all nations, order has been maintained, the laws have been respected and obeyed, and harmony has prevailed everywhere, except in the theater of military conflict; while that theater has been greatly contracted by the advancing armies and navies of the Union.

    Needful diversions of wealth and of strength from the fields of peaceful industry to the national defense have not arrested the plow, the shuttle, or the ship; the ax has enlarged the borders of our settlements, and the mines, as well of iron and coal as of the precious metals, have yielded even more abundantly than heretofore. Population has steadily increased, notwithstanding the waste that has been made in the camp, the siege, and the battlefield, and the country, rejoicing in the consciousness of augmented strength and vigor, is permitted to expect continuance of years with large increase of freedom.

    No human counsel hath devised, nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy.

    It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently, and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and one voice by the whole American people. I do, therefore, invite my fellow-citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next as a Day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the heavens. And I recommend to them that, while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to His tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners, or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty hand to heal the wounds of the nation, and to restore it, as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes, to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquility, and union.

    In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the seal of the United Stated States to be affixed.

    Done at the city of Washington, this third day of October, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and of the Independence of the United States the eighty-eighth.

    Abraham Lincoln

    So in time for elections, Veteran’s Day, and Thanksgiving, best wishes and a raise of the glass in honor of previous generations who had the wit to perceive the dangers of their day, and overcame. American Revolution, 1812, Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam. I guess we will see what the wealthiest and most free generation that ever lived contributes. We will see.

  33. Larry Ledwick says:

    An image on reporting voting problems and irregularities:

  34. Gail Combs says:

    pg sharrow says: “…American people have always been for FREE trade….”

    PG, do you have a reference for the trade embargo-Civil War?

    I knew it was something like that but could never find the actual history.

  35. Gail Combs says:

    Just voted.

    We all wore solid red shirts and baseball caps. A lady also in red standing on the grass between the parking lot and the sidewalk asked if there was a significance to us all wearing red. I said we are wearing red for TRUMP! (Hubby said for communism) We then stood around and chatted for about an hour she said there was a big turnout. There was a YUGE Trump sign with the democrats camped under it that I found rather amusing.

  36. Larry Ledwick says:

    From twitter:
    Al Boe ‏@AlBoeNEWS 44m44 minutes ago

    A #Colorado woman who went into labor stopped off to cast her ballot before going to the hospital to deliver her baby – CNN


  37. E.M.Smith says:

    @Zeke & P.G.:

    BOTH of you are right, and incomplete. Re-litigating the War Between The States here is likely to burn up a lot of pages with more heat than light… but my 2¢ …

    The War did not start over slavery. While the balance of free vs slave states was important context, it started as an economic cold war of North vs South (do note some Northern States, such as Rhode Island, were Slave States…)

    Later in the War, Lincoln made it about freeing the slaves, and did so. The Emancipation Proclamation was well after the War started… The war was won, and ended, over ending slavery.

    The Aftermath (carpetbaggers et. al.) shows a leaning toward the starting point of northern bankers and Yankee Traders wanting economic dominance. It also marks the end of the Plantation Economy and slavery.

    The Republicans freed the slaves and ended slavery, then the Democrats (Southern Democrats especially) did all they could to continue the culture, if not the institution, of the slave plantation economy, at least up until Lyndon Johnson (I personally remember a lot of pushback from inside the Democrat Party on Johnson and his civil rights act).

    So looking for The One Cause of a multifactor event, and the one outcome of a process spanning 100 years will be futile.

    The process grew out of two conflicting economic systems, started as a political cold war over laws, moved to a hot war, mutated into a freedom act, and ended in a long suffering exploitation for decades. In some ways that exploitation continues (look at the Southern Democrats manipulation of the black vote… those methods are straight out of the carpet bagger era… “40 acres and a mule”). Was it worth the astounding number of lives lost? IMHO, no. Slavery had been ending globally due to economic forces anyway, and the end would have come inside a few decades, at most, anyway. Blacks with plantation skills thrown into exploitation post war was not effective for huge numbers, and the resentment post war caused long lasting grief. Look at places like Brazil and the Caribbean Islands, where the transition has left far fewer scars…

    Yet were I one of those folks enslaved on a plantation, I’d not want to wait those decades…

    Sidebar on The Irish: Folks forget there were levels of indenture. While in the USA most slaves were black, there has been white slavery (especially in the Muslim Nations). Even in the USA, many Irish arrived as “indentured servants”. Theoretically able to buy their freedom, but often prevented by artfully arranged circumstances. Many of them waited forever for their freedom too…

    It is good both traditions were swept away. Slavery and Indentured Servitude. But did we really need to kill hundreds of thousands to do it?

    There is a common thread through all this: Folks with economic and political power like to oppress and exploit those without it. That never changes, and that is what we face now, yet again.

  38. Larry Ledwick says:

    Wikileaks Julian Assange statement on wikileaks information releases and this election.


  39. Listening to Rush… he’s touting a poll that has Hispanics favoring deportation at 51%…

  40. E.M.Smith says:


    Just search on “The War of Northern Agression” and you will find much. On of my favored methods of learning is to ask both sides what they saw, NOT rejecting either. In the internet age, that works best by using “insider terms”.

    This write up covers several of the root causes in short order from a Southern POV:


  41. Gail Combs says:

    Thanks E.M. I hate the simplification of a complex situation. And when you are talking humans it often is multiple causes.

  42. cdquarles says:

    Yep. The North called it the Civil War. The Slave holding South called it the War of Northern Aggression. There was aggression on both sides. Often forgotten, not only were many Northern states slavery states, most of them ended it soon after the War of Independence. Indeed there was a gradation in indentured servitude. There were also Free Blacks that owned black slaves. These were expropriated as were the “Indian” tribes that were Betrayed by Andrew Jackson. Did it have to come to bloodshed? Maybe not, if the question had been addressed honestly in the 1820s. It wasn’t, so … as far as I can tell bloodshed was inevitable. The Southern “peculiar institution” was evil. That some Southerners became so enamoured with themselves that they considered their ideology an American Aristocracy worth imposing by force on others, was something that should not be forgotten. I am a Southerner. I am also an American mutt. Now tell me what philosophy was it that saw slavery in any form as evil and worked to eliminate it (not successfully, sadly).

  43. Larry Ledwick says:

    A little comic relief here:
    Belling cat is retweeting some absolutely hilarious troll reports of voter fraud.

    Some of them are tears running down your face crying while laughing funny.

  44. Gail Combs says:

    Interesting Stats – NH has midnight voting.

    2016 New Hampshire midnight voting (Dixville Notch, Harts, Millsfield)
    Trump 32
    Clinton 25

    Obama 28
    Romney 14

  45. Gail Combs says:

    To counter Larry’s comic relief a couple surprising comments from the TreeHouse

    Aesop Shrugged says:
    November 8, 2016 at 1:19 am

    3 things, wait 4:
    1 Out here in Bay Area Ca on my commute route I’ve seen 2 YUGE Trump signs, 0 Shrillary signs, & maybe 2 Shrillary bumber stickers. That is unprecedented.
    2 Tonight I actually saw a Trump TV ad HERE IN CA! Never saw a POTUS ad before in CA; still in play? Voting anyway.
    3 youtube homepage of top trending vids looks like Drudge on steroids! https://m.youtube.com/?
    4 Sundance thanks for this site! Whatever happens it’ll still be here day after tomorrow.


    andymilken says:
    November 8, 2016 at 1:41 am

    Yes, I have a few friends from CA, some from Northern and some from Southern. They told me, during the football games, they saw DJT final argument ad throughout the games, which I found very odd. Today, the evil witch made an “appearance” in LA and was booed off the stage. I am not holding my breath but it is kind of interesting from DJT’s perspective, especially w/ a view of a businessman- throw good money after bad money.

    Looks like Trump is going for the American Voter Mandate like Reagan had. (10% more of the popular vote.)

  46. Gail Combs says:


    Nicole Coulter says:
    November 8, 2016 at 2:01 am

    I’m in Santa Barbara. The Santa Barbara News Press ENDORSED Trump. My hubby and I almost fell off the couch when we read it. I had to read it five times before I BELIEVED it. Only two daily newspapers in the country went for Trump. I see ZERO support for Hillary in terms of signage. Have seen a few of her bumper stickers. But she is EASILY dwarfed by the number of Bernie bumper stickers. I wouldn’t be shocked if Trump won the Central Coast. We have a competitive congressional seat her[e]. (Lois Capps retired so it’s an open seat). Tons of ads for Justin Fareed (whom the Dems keep tying to Trump so that made me like him even more). Crossing fingers!


    Venus says:
    Final Midnight NH voting tally is 32 Trump, 25 Hillary or 55% Trump to 40% Hillary (5% others)

    At this point in 2012, it was 33 Obama, 30 Romney or 52% Obama to 47% Romney — note, this is pretty much how the final 2012 election panned out.


    Dems B. Dcvrs says:
    Even if it looks like Trump is winning – GO VOTE for Trump!

    It is absolutely crucial that Silent Majority gets out to Vote. Do not count on someone else to make the difference.

    It ain’t over till Hillary is singing the blues from Federal Prison!

    A ballot typo in Arkansas leaves Hillary Clinton with the word “liar” in her…..

  47. Gail Combs says:

    Fun Poll: How does the world vote? Hillary vs Trump


  48. G. Combs says:

    Check out the vid(s) at https://intellectualfroglegs.com/

  49. H.R. says:

    Poll update (church abutting our property)

    Fewest cars during the day after the morning rush – – – 8

    Most cars during the day – – – about 20 (wasn’t sure if a couple of spots held small cars or were empty.

    Now (5:00 pm EST) – – – 9 cars

    It’s a little early for the after-work rush. If it’s “Holy Cr@p!” a little later, I’ll post a note.

  50. G. Combs says:

    Another interesting video that I think E.M. might like.

  51. E.M.Smith says:

    Geee Virginia going for Trump… a lot of spooks live in Virginia..
    Spys for Trump?

  52. Gail Combs says:

    Looks like the Amish decided to vote:

    fire with fire says:
    November 8, 2016 at 8:36 am

    Voted in PA at 7AM. Long line for this area. Son in law is spending the day driving the Amish to vote thanks to information posted here. Daughter said he will be very busy all day. Good signs for a Trump win in PA!

  53. Larry Ledwick says:

    Spies for trump?
    Yep folks with security clearances detest Hillary for what she did with classified material.
    Same for most military.

  54. Larry Ledwick says:

    Trump has a 150,000 vote advantage in Florida with 94% reported likely will take it. It is the one must have swing state as I understand. I have seen some comments that major media is holding off calling some eastern states for Trump to preserve the illusion HRC has a chance until the CA polls close.

  55. Larry Ledwick says:

    If all the currently listed states leaning for Trump on the NYT’s map go for Trump he will lock in 263 electoral college votes only 7 short of needed to win.

    That I believe is why they are holding off calling them because if they all go for Trump than he only needs any two states in the west like Idaho, Utah or Arizona to win.

  56. E.M.Smith says:


    The Amish usually vote. It is a duty. What is important about the Amish is that they are strongly driven by morality. My Paternal Grandmother was Amish. I barely remember her, but she was formidable. My Dad taught me Amish Ways, as just one example. It is why I can my own food, venerate life, use kerosene in cooking, do not trust TPTB, raised my own ruminants, save seeds. Etc etc etc… (And could make a horse shoe and shoe a horse if needed…)

    I once was in a restaurant in Florida and complemented the staff.. they asked if I was Amish. It was a wonderful moment for me to explain no, but Grandma was… (I was wearing overalls and hat…).

    I could easily embrace that life, were it not for an allergy to hay…

  57. Gail Combs says:

    I love the picture.

  58. Gail Combs says:

    I think they think Trump will win…

    Dow futures briefly fall 500 points on election jitters

  59. Gail Combs says:

    A fantasy by MouseTheLuckyDog
    The networks have just called a narrow victory for Trump in Nevada. Bill and Hillary get in their limo to go to their campaign headquarters and give their concession speech. A phone rings. A staffer tries to reach Bill and Hillary, but they’ve gone. it’s someone calling in to tell them he found a way to “find” some votes in the basement of a polling place, don’t give up yet.

    The staffers can’t get in touch with Bill and Hillary. It turns out that instead of going to make the announcement they are on a plane out of the country. One staffer then asks the rest “What do we do now”.

    Hillary and Bill were last seen boarding a plane for Quatar….

  60. Gail Combs says:

    Bloomberg: Mexican Peso Falls to Record Low….

  61. Zeke says:

    “I could easily embrace that life, were it not for an allergy to hay…”

    And I could live in the arctic circle catching salmon with the aurora overhead were it not for an allergy to snow.

    Good night everyone. (:

  62. E.M.Smith says:


    You understand!!!

  63. H.R. says:

    @Gail re Dow futures deep dive (AahhhOOOOGAA! Dive! Dive!)

    I am getting happier and happier to be sitting on cash. Next hot thread (IF the election doesn’t drag out for months over disputed results) will be back to discussing the bargain basement buying opportunities in the markets.

  64. E.M.Smith says:

    The time to buy will be in the next day or two…I’ll post graphs tomorrow…

  65. Larry Ledwick says:

    Polls closed in all US. states except Alaska, so some of the eastern states will likely get called soon, NYT is putting Trumps chance of winning at >95%

  66. E.M.Smith says:

    Watching DW at the moment. Not yet full panic, but they can see it comming… . ;-)

  67. Zeke says:

    Yes it got us discussing all of our allergies, much merriment ensued…other than that I have nothing to report because I csn’ t look. We have a carbon dioxide tax on our ballot.

  68. gallopingcamel says:

    Take a look at the NY Times forecast results that show Donald Trump at >95% at this hour and 295-305 electoral college votes.

  69. Regis Llanfar says:

    I’ve got FoxNews streaming on my iPad and NYT on my MacBook Pro…just forwarded Gail’s (via MouseTheLuckyDog) to a friend in MI as I feel there is a distinct possibility that will occur (not tonight, but pre-inauguration unless pardoned and NY doesn’t prosecute).

  70. Gail Combs says:

    headline on drudge
    VA Gov gives 60,000 felons the vote, Hillary wins state by 60,000


  71. Gail Combs says:

    Ding Dong the wicked witch is DEAD!

  72. Gail Combs says:

    That is what I thought too. It is why I added the last sentence to the fantasy.

    IIRC, I think I saw the Clinton’s had $$$$ stuffed in a bank in Quatar.

    Oh, and Trump gets BOTH the Senate and the House.

    Now all we have to do is hold our elected officials feet to the fire.

  73. Gail Combs says:

    The comedy never ends….

    How to move to Canada: Immigration website crashes as Donald Trump election victory looks imminent
    Moving to live in Canada is not easy but not impossible either

  74. Zeke says:

    Gail says, ” , and Trump gets BOTH the Senate and the House.”

    “The republicans will demand a recount.”

  75. beththeserf says:

    Down under, gettin’ the actual tally is like smoke ‘n mirrors
    misdirection from the Oz medja’. Such glum faces…I luv it so.
    Schadenfreude, Hillary-oligarchy. A serf.

  76. Gail Combs says:

    Hillary and the Democratic Plantation heading to Canada…. Or is it Saudi Arabia?

  77. Gail Combs says:

    The Deplorables are having fun….

  78. Larry Ledwick says:

    From twitter
    Frank Luntz just called the election for Trump on CBS.

  79. Gail Combs says:

    BethTheSerf, here it is (Until Hitlery demands every single vote be recounted.)

  80. Larry Ledwick says:

    NYT election map, CBS election Map, Fox election map, still refuse to make the final call.
    This could be to give time to polish the concession speech by HRC, or they are waiting to fuel the jet to the Caribbean, or folk are still placing orders in the stock markets to profit from the move that will happen when the call is made – – – or they are busy printing ballots in a basement in Philly and need time to distribute them.

  81. Larry Ledwick says:

    From twitter

    The Associated Press Verified account

    BREAKING: Trump wins Pennsylvania. @AP race call at 1:36 a.m. EST. #Election2016

    AP just called PA

  82. Larry Ledwick says:

    From twitter:
    Al Boe ‏@AlBoeNEWS 1 minute ago

    #BREAKING: Donald Trump is preparing to address the nation, but is waiting for official projection of 270 – NBC

    dwnews Retweeted
    Ines Pohl ‏@inespohl 5m5 minutes ago

    I just heard that Hillary Clinton is waiting in her car in front of her campaign party venue #ElectionNightmare

  83. pg sharrow says:

    There is no joy in the Clinton headquarters tonight…pg

  84. Larry Ledwick says:

    I imagine there are a few really unhappy bookies too!

  85. tom0mason says:

    BBC just got a comment from Simon Shama (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Schama) their often use TV historian, and he just compared a Trump win to the fascist take-over of mainstream politics in Europe during the last century. He (Shama) said that ultra right of US Nationalist and the KKK are rejoicing over a Trump win.

  86. pg sharrow says:

    “Poindexter” Podesta just said they are still looking for more ballots, RECOUNT! coming up. They won’t respect the count tonight.
    There are huge numbers of absentee ballots to be added in. One more attempt to STEAL!…pg

  87. Larry Ledwick says:

    Really I was just joking about the printing ballots in the basement – honest!

  88. beththeserf says:

    Thankee’ Gail,
    ye Boudicca fer the Open Societee. )

  89. Larry Ledwick says:

    Trump is going to speak live on Fox shortly!

  90. E.M.Smith says:

    I don’t think I have enough vodka to make it through the night!

    Trump is winning, but will TPTB accelt the win? OMG this is a nail biter.

  91. Larry Ledwick says:

    If you don’t have TV access they have a live feed, it will be a speech to his supporters.

  92. E.M.Smith says:

    PBS is showing Trump at 279 electoral college votes.

  93. gallopingcamel says:

    Google just called Wisconsin,,,,,,,,,President TRUMP.’


  94. tom0mason says:

    Just announced Trump has won. Clinton has conceded!

    Donald J. Trump the 45th President.

  95. Larry Ledwick says:

    Fox just called the election Trump with 274

  96. E.M.Smith says:

    Fox calls Pennsylvania for Trump and calls it a Trump victory.

  97. E.M.Smith says:

    MSNBC says Clinton concedes to Trump!

  98. E.M.Smith says:

    Baron Trump looks bored… Trump speech on Fox…. FWIW I relate to Baron…

  99. Larry Ledwick says:

    I love that his walk music is:

    You can’t always get what you want, but sometimes if you try you get what you need.

  100. pg sharrow says:

    Now we will see if we have elected “The Wise Old Man” that is foretold to replace the “Great Deceiver”…pg
    So far he has demonstrated wisdom in his selection of team members and advisers…pg

  101. E.M.Smith says:

    About 10 pm pdt is when to buy stocks IMHO. The market futures are down. That ought to hold through the open, then about 10 pdt it ought to reverse.

  102. Larry Ledwick says:

    And now 3 – 2 -1 street protests

  103. Steve C says:

    Oh, wow. That’s twice in the same year I’ve woken up to news of the politically impossible. We seem to be living in increasingly interesting times as ever more of The People say no to the status quo. It puts me in mind of:

    “O Lord our God arise,
    Scatter (our) enemies,
    And make them fall.
    Confound their politics,
    Frustrate their knavish tricks,
    On Thee our hopes we fix,
    God save us all.”

    (The – rarely used – second verse of the UK National Anthem: you already have the tune. I love “Confound their politics, frustrate their knavish tricks”!) Power brokers around the Western world must be viewing their next democratic assessment with some trepidation after this. God save us all, indeed – but still, Well Done, Everybody!

  104. Paul Hanlon says:

    I’m absolutely delighted with the Trump win. And what a great speech. Throughout the campaign, he’s grown into the job, and I think he will be a truly great President. He’s got the House, the Senate, and he’ll be able to shape the judiciary for at least the next generation.

    After following one of Gail’s links, I happened across this great speech by Mark Steyn in 2015. Turned out to be quite prescient

  105. A C Osborn says:

    Congratulations from the UK guys & gals.
    If he lives up to 25% of his promises the USA will be a better place after his Presidency.
    I hope he has really tight security and lives until the inaugaration in January, I just don’t trust the Establishment to let him take over.

  106. Jason Calley says:

    Yesterday as I was driving toward home I was listening to NPR. It sounded like an infomercial for Clinton. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2_snSkpULQ They were still trying to get the last bit of enthusiasm going for a Hillary win. I am sure that we have all heard the bias of the MSM during this election season, but NPR was completely off the rails. One wonders if they even hear themselves or understand how biased they are.

    My voting location is in a very Democratic neighborhood of a mostly Republican city, but when I got there (about 4:45 pm) there were no lines, no waiting. My impression is that many of the average Democrats just could not cross the “we love Hillary!” psychological barrier, and so they just did not bother to vote.

    So now the first battle of a long campaign has been won by the forces of light and goodness… I am encouraged that the Repubs have the House and Senate. Now, if only they will fall in line and pull the country back toward the rule of law! The Repubs had that same opportunity back during the first part of the G.W. administration, and used that chance to increase their wealth and power. Let’s see what they do this time.

  107. philjourdan says:

    I am very embarrassed that Virginia went for Clinton. Members of my own family betrayed me. At least parts of the rest of the nation are more sane.

  108. philjourdan says:

    For once, Penn was really the Keystone state!

  109. Glenn999 says:

    Congratulations to All Trumpians!!!
    Rejoice today, for the battle to drain the swamp lies ahead.

  110. H.R. says:

    I expected HRC to concede. The DNC does not want a recount because their vote rigging would be exposed.

    I don’t think Hillary will be in this world for much longer. The rigors of the campaign took a toll and I am just guessing here, but I think she might crawl into the bottle for a while. That would not be good for her health.

    I am also wondering what actions will be taken by the people who paid millions to the Clinton Foundation for results that HRC can no longer be expected to deliver. She just might die from lead poisoning instead of one of her other ailments.

  111. Gail Combs says:

    Phil Jourdan It was your governor, pardoning 60,000 felons and giving them the vote that was the betrayal that won VA for the Unconvicted Felon. It was that close…

  112. Gail Combs says:

    Now the real work starts. Making it KNOWN to the Reps elected that they ARE going to cooperate fully with President Trump to implement the changes needed to put this country back on track and Make America Great Again.

  113. Gail Combs says:


    The most extraordinary Presidential campaign in modern history ends in humiliation for Hillary, the pollsters, and the elites of business and showbusiness as the voters America forgot sweep Donald to victory”

    The shredders and bleachbit is running over time.

  114. Larry Ledwick says:

    A few thoughts on the out comes of this election cycle.
    1.) The major media has totally destroyed its credibility as legitimate journalists and outed themselves as the manipulative weasels that they are, pawns/shills for the power elite. They will either change or shrivel up and die as major players in an independent media world where small voices can shout them down at will.
    2.) HRC and Obama have badly broken the Democratic party, and the credibility of the Justice Dept and FBI for political gain.
    3.) Establishment Republicans (Never Trump) have outed themselves as being more interested in their agenda than the welfare of the people they supposedly represent. Several of the conservative media have thrown off their cloak as faux middle ground conservatives and exposed themselves as wholly owned by the power elite and not true “for the people conservatives”, but “For the power elite conservative shills”.
    4.) Hollywood has further reinforced the fact that they are clueless puppets of the progressive left and money men like Soros behind the curtain.
    5.) The financial sector has fully exposed that they have no allegiance to country and the general welfare, only profit, and that they are perfectly happy to wreck our country to gain a small profit edge.
    6.) The progressive machine has outed itself as far as who deeply embedded they are in manipulating public opinion and fabricating false flag street theater and intentionally provoking street violence to serve their agenda. They clearly consider the casualties of this violence both physical and public humiliation and psychological abuse as a cost of doing business, and have few ethical restraints.
    7.) The main street conservative public has learned that they have a voice, and don’t need the media to can get in the face of these street actions by the left and blunt them with their own actions (chants of CNN sucks, Lock her Up etc.)
    Let’s be careful not to let that morph into the same sort of intentional violence and abuse the Left uses.

  115. Larry Ledwick says:

    Best comment on twitter this morning:
    Yoni Appelbaum ‏@YAppelbaum 1 hour ago

    “The press takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally” @SalenaZito

  116. Larry Ledwick says:

    I hope they continue to update this by county map of the US election results. It shows that vast areas of the country are conservative and only small urban centers support the Progressive agenda.
    The blue in central Colorado is a very recent shift by immigration of folks from California and similar liberal leaning to the state.

    In the 1970’s we used to joke about “Don’t Californicate Colorado”, it is no longer a joke.

  117. Larry Ledwick says:

    Hillary is about to give her concession speech.

  118. Larry Ledwick says:
  119. Gail Combs says:


    We can expect more of this from George Soro’s funded Open Society and BLM:
    Protesters take to Portland streets following Trump’s victory

    There were no arrests and reports of some minor vandalism, including a Dumpster fire in downtown Portland.

    There was one report of a protester struck by a car as the crowd shut down lanes of I-5 for about an hour, police said. The person was not seriously injured, police said.

    People and police are going to feel they no longer have to treat the Soros created Ferals with kid gloves now that Trump has been elected.

    It is going to take a while to get it through the heads of the spoiled brat two year olds in adult bodies that the party is over and now the adults are back in charge.

  120. Larry Ledwick says:

    From twitter:
    CNN Breaking News ‏@cnnbrk 2 minutes ago

    President Obama will discuss election results, next steps for country at 12:15 p.m. ET, the White House says. http://cnn.it/2eCWhUB

  121. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting reference in your speech to “secret private face book chats” — Hmmm

    If she had made speeches during her campaign as gracious and thoughtful as her concession speech, and in some small measure actually lived up to those aspirations rather than being the profound exception to almost all of them, she would have likely won the election.

  122. Larry Ledwick says:

    Thoughtful piece on what Trump should do and how to do it when he assumes office.
    I agree with almost all of its recommendations, and even those I am not entirely comfortable with are good thinking points of departure.


    Trump should read this and think long and hard about it.

  123. Larry Ledwick says:

    From twitter, Brent Bozell and why the media, pollsters and pundits got it wrong.

  124. philjourdan says:

    @Gail – Re: Protests – Yes we can. But now that we have a (hopefully) law and order guy in the whitehouse instead of a “community organizer”, the police will not be shackled and be able to restore order. Peaceful protest is fine. As soon as they pick up that rock, they get busted. And do not look at their color. Just their actions.

  125. A C Osborn says:

    That is a pretty good round up, it could probably have gone further.
    It is not just the US media either, most of our media and especially the BBC were just as bad, mostly only interiewing Clinton people and if anyone had a good word to say about Trump they were truly shocked that someone could be so “off message”.

  126. Gail Combs says:

    “The Russian Parliament also burst into applause after Donald Trump’s victory was confirmed, according to Russian news agency Interfax.”


  127. Aron says:

    This election proves how corrupt the media is and how it can leave one doubting one’s own instincts. Regardless of all the polls, most people did not follow the media like a herd of sheep and went with their intellect, or gut at the very least. Goes to show how fragile lies are when they are exposed. I just hope that all the psychopaths in positions of power run for cover, never to emerge again, and that the blind start to see things in a new light, if in fact the Donald can accomplish some of what he said in his victory speech.

  128. Gail Combs says:

    This is quite interesting. Google only puts up sites (including snopes) refuting this move by the Clinton Foundation.

    However DuckDuckGo puts up a European Union Times report.
    EU Times is a questionable source owned by Whoisguard Inc who some say is owned by Sorcha Faal.
    Oct 16th, 2016 Hillary Clinton’s “Sudden Move” Of $1.8 Billion To Qatar Central Bank Stuns Financial World
    Kremlin today says that elite Western bankers were “stunned/bewildered” a few hours ago after the Bank For International Settlements (BIS) registered a $1.8 billion transfer from the Clinton Foundation (CF) to the Qatar Central Bank (QCB) through the “facilitation/abetment” of JP Morgan Chase & Company (JPM)—and for reasons yet to be firmly established….

    On Saturday 15 October (2016), this report notes, the SVR reported to the MoF that Hillary Clinton and John Podesta met with JP Morgan Chase & Company CEO Jamie Dimon at Clinton’s Chappaqua Compound outside of New York City…

    Within 12 hours of the Hillary Clinton-John Podesta-Jamie Dimon meeting at the Chappaqua Compound, this report continues, the BIS registered the transfer of $1.8 billion from the Clinton Foundation to the Qatar Central Bank…..

    Critical Note: A highly classified SVR amendment to this MoF report states that upon Qatar receiving Hillary Clinton’s $1.8 billion earlier today, one of that sheikdoms royal places was “ordered emptied” in preparation for the “early November arrival” of a “high value” dignitary—Hillary Clinton perhaps?

    At this point I would not be surprised if there actually is some truth in the report. We already know Google works real hard at burying the truth. Also by that time Clinton would have been well aware that she had a good chance of losing the election despite all the vote manipulation.

  129. Gail Combs says:

    Speaking of votes, Cetera at the Tree house said

    I really want to get some analysis into the Monster Vote, and lack-there-of. This election turnout was down about 7% from even 2012, way under 2008, and a good 20% lower than our estimates.

    Were there 14 million NeverTrumpers that didn’t show up? Was there 14 million votes changed by fraud that we still overcame? Ground reports all over had turnout way, way up. Drudge even had a link to a story that estimated turnout would be ~140 million. Instead, we ended up around 117 million. Where did the missing 23 million go?

    Perhaps the Trump votes were counted as a fraction. 0.75 for a vote for Trump and 1.0 for Hillary and someone forgot to make sure the total votes counted = the total votes cast. I can not see Clinton tossing in the towel if there were absentee or early votes still not counted. I also can not see a close vote between Trump and Clinton AND a very low turnout with the enthusiasm of the Trump Deplorables. To many people (like me) report dragging friends and family that never vote to the polls.

    Sundance’s Cliff Notes – Post Election Night Thoughts… are worth a read.

    He is correct the Lame Duck Session is a real danger with the Trans Pacific Partnership hanging out there waiting to be passed.

    NOW is the time to make sure our re-elected officials KNOW there will be retribution if they pass that D#%$#m F(*&-up treaty.

  130. Gail Combs says:

    Phil Jourdan
    It also means we do not have to cower there like whipped dogs and take the verbal and physical abuse fearing WE will be the ones going to jail because we are White Americans and not part of the Protected Classes.

    I have been amazed that throughout this entire 8 years there has been very little retaliatory violence.

    Thank GOODNESS, Political Correctness is now officially dead! It is going to be a real wake-up for the MSM and the Protected Classes and none too soon.

    Now all we need a listing of GOOD un-PC higher education facilities to send out to everyone.

    I can recommend Hillsdale College we get pamphlets from them all the time.

  131. Glenn999 says:

    Larry Ledwick
    Thanks for the good links.

  132. E.M.Smith says:

    Looks like it was lowest in the futures about then, but the NYSE was lowest about 10 AM EDT.

    Looks like the loony side of left is having a fit, with more “demonstrations” last night.

  133. Gail Combs says:

    Speaking of LEOs

    Mark Johnson says:

    This has been my go to site ever since the Zimmerman/Martin debacle and the CTH exposure of the black grievance Industry. I generally flip between CTH, Drudge Brietbart. I am a Federal L.E. Officer. I have directed dozens of fellow officers to this site. I know not one, not another L.E. officer who didn’t want Trump. We are so looking forward to the next eight years where we will finally be allowed to do the job the US taxpayer employs us to do. It is all high-fiving email exchanges this morning. Way to go people!

    What’s that Sound????

    Is it the Black Grievance Industry wailing and gnashing their teeth???

    It would be SOOOoooo nice if the threads between the paid agents and Soros were followed and he got slammed with billions of dollars in lawsuits for all the destruction rained on businesses, individuals and towns.

    And then there are the 9/11 victims and their lawsuit against Saudi Arabia…

  134. Aron says:

    RobL says, “all economists would agree that his plans for trade barriers, import duties etc will have negative impact on US (and global) economy”.

    All economists? And economists in general also say endless growth is required to sustain economies, which is fantastical as we live in a finite world.

    Nations need to move away from the globalistic model and get back to a more reasonable balance between trade and self-sufficiency. This in turn will spure innovation based on necessity, and national manufacturing will increase in areas of strength.

    I sense a shift, albeit small, already occuring in the population, a move back to the basics, like gardening, and away from consumerism. Consumer prices will likely rise under this new model but unemployment will be reduced, fewer taxes will be required, and people will be only be buying things they really need, rather than cheap plastic crap from China pushed on to us in our consumer society. Personally, I always look for US made products because invariably they are better made products than those from Asia–this coming from a guy in Canada, where our manufacturing sector is even worse than in the US.

    We need to get back to making quality products and focusing on quality of life. I do not think this is a bad thing. Just need to use our intellect to make this happen in a smart manner.

  135. Gail Combs says:

    A good idea that I have seen floated a number of times.

    navysquid says:

    Having been through two Iraqi and one Afghan election, I believe in the dipping of the finger in dye that stays on for a few days. There is no EASY way to get around this and would eliminate, IMO, the majority of fraud in the elections.

    I am more and more against EARLY voting as well. This just signals to the other side, whether it is R’s or D’s, how many votes they need to close the gap. We are seeing every election that computer voting is more and more susceptible…

    I agree.
    The dye on the finger,
    Paper ballots,
    Voting ONLY on election day AT THE POLLS except for overseas or invalids
    Most important ONLY birth certificates for voter registration coupled with the purging of voting roles and comparison to death notices/SS roles.

    Last change immigration back to no third worlders unless hardship cases. Their philosophy just does not mix well with ours. Education yes, citizenship NO. Let them go back and straighten out their own countries.

  136. E.M.Smith says:

    Dye is easily removed with solvents or reactants. Bleach removes most. Just use facial recognition and State ID. Birth certificates are too easy to fake. Mine is just a photocopy of a typed document with a simple purple ink “seal” on it. I could make better at home… then you have the problem of naturalized citizens with birth cert in foreign languages… Easier to just show the State ID (that by law in many most? States you must carry… few people know that…) or passport / naturalization papers. In California and Florida, at least, you must present your birth cert and other docs to get a drivers license… though IIRC Calif has a way to give ID to non citizens. Under age has a red? stripe on it, don’t know about noncitizens..

  137. J Martin says:

    I was interested to note that yesterday afternoon before the start of polling, Clinton cancelled the celebratory fireworks display. So they knew they had lost even before the count started.

    The polls that the public saw were inaccurate, but Clinton had accurate polling data. Same with Brexit, the public polls were in favour of remain but it was later revealed that Cameron knew he had lost the day before as they had accurate pol!ing data.

  138. Gail Combs says:

    THE MEDIA DIDN’T GET IT WRONG – The pollsters did not work from the wrong data set; the media pollsters, consultants and professional political class did not work from the wrong assumptions, or use the incorrect baselines….. THEY LIED.

    The professional media polling agents knew exactly what the truth was.

    They lied and manipulated their data in a concerted effort to intentionally falsify reality. There should be no doubt, EVER, in the mind of any political observer as to what took place within the expressed and broadcasted polling which fueled over two years of broadcast news. The media intentionally lied….

    These entities are our abusers. They have been gaslighting the American electorate for years, and have been able to remain unchecked because no-one has ever called them to task before.

    Throughout the last two years we have identified and exposed this corrupt endeavor while being ridiculed and marginalized at each undertaking. There should be no quarter provided and no amount of forgiveness ever offered….

    Sundance goes on to name names.

    It’s nice to know others outside the Climate Skeptics have figured out the media outright LIES!

  139. cdquarles says:

    Hmm, a birth certificate has no legal standing, here where I live, if it isn’t a certified original or certified copy of the original filed with a state (or DC or similar) bureau of vital statistics. A certified copy has a notary seal embossed in it and duly signed by a notary having a current registration. Faking this is not as easy as one thinks. Sure it can be forged, but the holder and/or the forger are at risk. A holder is also at risk of committing perjury by submitting a forged birth certificate. As an aside, the SSA account number certificate was not intended to be a legal identifier. It has become such. To get one of those you must have a certified State ID, birth certificate, passport, military ID or similar photo ID. To get a driver’s license, before this was watered down, you needed one or more of the above plus a verified parent/adult driver as a witness and the Trooper that certified your successful driving test was also a witness. A certified copy of a marriage license may stand in the place of a birth certificate, where obtaining the marriage license likewise required certified ID and a verifiable blood test.

  140. Aron says:

    J Martin – Very iinteresting. Need to keeping pushing for truth to expose the lies of the weak-minded socialists. Today, the premier of oil-rich Alberta kept up her mantra continuing to lie about climate change as reporters asked her about the “absurd” view by the Donald that climate change is a hoax, and she couldn’t give one straight answer about the competitiveness of Alberta oil with a $30/tonne carbon tax in a world market. Alberta’s economy is and will continue to go down the toilet as the social-marxists in power exercise their “plan from higher-ups” to deepen their enslavement agenda. One can only hope there will be a positive ripple-effect that emanates north of the 53 parallel in the coming months and years.

  141. Larry Ledwick says:

    The only way to get uniform voter roll hygiene would be to have a constitutional amendment that requires that the voter rolls be purged every election cycle 30 days before the first date of voting and provide a means for public review of the rolls (ie so folks can look themselves up and see if they are properly listed and challenge if they are not. It should include specifics about which purge lists were used to reject voter eligibility etc.

    It should also require nation wide compare post election to verify that the same person did not vote in more than one jurisdiction.

    On a state by state basis it will never happen.

  142. Larry Ledwick says:

    If someone was on the right side of this move they made a butt load of money.

  143. Gail Combs says:

    cdquarles, That is the type of birth certificate I was thinking of plus a state ID/Drivers licence with a picture on it.
    Add finger print plus the dye on the finger. (Some dyes do not come off with bleach or solvent) silver nitrate comes to mind.

    Robert Dyck, the founder of CODE Inc., in Ottawa, is responsible for the indelible purple ink that stained the fingers of Iraqi voters in the recent election.

    Like Coke and KFC chicken, the ink has a secret ingredient so that it can’t be removed (after a few days, you shed the dyed skin), making it a simple and ingenious method of preventing voter fraud.

    A two part system for ID and for double voting check, PLUS nasty retribution if you cheat seems to me to be the best method. I would love to see the person stripped of citizenship permanently and major jail time for the organizers.

    The problem I have with the fingerprinting is you are back to a computer system coordinated through out the entire USA and that goes right back to the hacking problem with the voting machines.

    I am sure there are others diligently working on the problem and a close to fool proof system as we speak.

  144. E.M.Smith says:

    I have removed silver nitrate stain… And iodine stain… There is always something that reacts with a metal or organic based dye. Sometimes it takes a while to find it, but once found, it is known and can spread fast. Simply doing a rotation of acid, base, oxidzer, reducer covers a lot of ground. (“Pool acid” if vinegar doesn’t cut it, bicarb then ammonia then up to liquid plumber, stump remover, bleach, and sugar…. plastics will survive but they rub off easily… )

    I’m not saying it is impossible to create such a dye that bonds to proteins, but it would be very hard and there are many common reactants it must resist…

    The above thanks to a lifelong love of chemistry leaving colored fingers a bit too often :-)

  145. Aron says:

    Trump needs to open up a new investigation into 9/11. Anyone who has looked beyond the mainstream media knows the official story is not true. Exposing the truth of 9/11 is the only way to help heal the trauma we’ve suffered from this act of terrorism. Evidence presented in the book “Where Did the Towers Go?” needs to be submitted to this new investigation.

  146. Larry Ledwick says:

    Move On (dot) Org is mobilizing the “spontaneous” protests against Trump

    Remember when the Left said that similar protests against Obama would be treasonous?

  147. pg sharrow says:

    Very interesting conversation with my Lady. She is a Clinical Esthetician in the local town that hosts a very liberal State Collage. A young woman came in for treatment, her eyes all swollen from crying all night because Trump had won the election and her world was going to be destroyed.!, Can you believe?
    Most normal people that I know have a big smile on their face…pg

  148. Gail Combs says:

    We need to get rid of traitors Paul Ryan (House Majority Leader) and McConnell (Senate Majority Leader)

    PatriotKate says:
    November 9, 2016 at 5:06 pm

    O.k. Fellow Treepers, this is when we go from being supporters to being Activists who help Mr. Trump achieve all he promised us.

    YOU MUST CALL YOUR CONGRESSMAN’S OFFICE — NOW! They are holding the Leadership elections in the conference next Tuesday – AN NO ONE IS OPPOSING RYAN. Then, the vote would be held when the new Congress is seated on January 3rd.

    I just talked with Congressman Mark Walker’s office and told him how much we adamantly oppose Paul Ryan as Speaker and that Ryan needs to be pressured to step aside. We don’t trust him and, in particular, opposed his childish actions in the last 6 months opposing Donald Trump.

    Please take action and also pass the message along in social media.

    Here is a link to find/email your Rep.


    Paul Nehlen (a businessman) is running against Paul Ryan for the Speaker of the House. There was an AMA (Ask Me Anything) on Reddit about a week ago with Mr. Nehlen.

    The Speaker DOES NOT have to be a Congress Critter.

  149. Gail Combs says:

    Paul Ryan held a press conference this morning, promoting Better Way.

    This is the guy that rubber stamped ALL of Obummers wishes and colluded with the Gang of Eight to push the Amnesty bill, quadrupled the number H-2B visas and funded Pres. Obama’s DACA amnesty program and the president’s increase to the refugee resettlement program, and was FOR the Trans-Pacific Partnership Treaty.




  150. Larry Ledwick says:

    Not everyone in the media is a buffoon, a few of them see the problem, the question is will they be able to pull their heads out of anatomically difficult dark places and start looking around.


  151. E.M.Smith says:

    Just saw the post meet press photo-op with Trump and Obama.

    Don’t know if I’m projecting too much into expressions, but I got the impression Obama was looking “happy I’m handing off this crap” and Trump had something of a “What have I got myself into?” look…

    I suspect some of the secret stuff may have been a big surprise…

    Or it just might be that Trump looked flushed due to the color balance on the camers being balanced for darker skin after years of tuning for Obama…

    Wonder if he was told “2 attempts on you or family a day” or “China has a nuke in their embassy basement” or maybe “This is Mr (um, a loose term) GRrLok’ziub, your liason with the Galactic Keepers of this region of space, he will be ‘advising’ you on what to do…” 8-)

  152. H.R. says:

    @Gail re ‘Breaking News From Canada’ and ‘Madam President.”

    Good finds. Thanks!

    Wish I had that signed copy of Newsweek. That will be worth big bucks immediately. She probably didn’t have the energy to sign more than a half-dozen copies. They’ll be rarer than Honus Wagner baseball cards.

  153. Gail Combs says:

    Finally found it. Voting by county:

  154. Gail Combs says:

    About those protests?

    The signs were professionally printed. One of the Treepers who was at a protest said
    ” […] the signs marked “http://www.answercoalition.org/ and went to their website. This organization has offices in the major cities where these riots took place. Just like I suspected, they’re backed by Soros: http://magafeed.com/paid-george-soros-agitators-answer-coalition-are-behind-the-trump-protests-happening-nationwide/ […]

  155. gallopingcamel says:

    Larry Ledwick 9 November 2016 at 9:26 pm
    “The only way to get uniform voter roll hygiene would be to have a constitutional amendment that requires that the voter rolls be purged every election cycle 30 days before the first date of voting and provide a means for public review of the rolls (ie so folks can look themselves up and see if they are properly listed and challenge if they are not. It should include specifics about which purge lists were used to reject voter eligibility etc.”

    What you are proposing will guarantee a nearly perfect electoral roll (six sigma?) but that makes it too expensive to be seriously considered. However there are methods that will purge the rolls much more cheaply as long as you can tolerate some level of errors.

    Let’s say you can tolerate 1% of faulty data, using “Quality Control” mathematics it is easy to devise a sampling plan that will cost a fraction of what 100% inspection costs while ensuring that the quality standard has been met.

  156. Larry Ledwick says:

    It does not cost much to run and sql query against a data base of the registered voters and the various source lists. Initial setup of the data base so table structures are compatible would involve a little bit of effort but not much. There are also commercial companies who do address hygiene for for bulk mailing that already have a lot of this info.

  157. Aron says:

    Trump says to the press in the company of Obama “He explained some of the difficulties, some of the high-flying assets [looks over to Obama], and some of the, some of the really great things that have been achieved”. What the heck did he mean by “high-flying assets”. An intentional diversionary statement? Undisclosed air weaponry? Grey’s spaceships?

  158. Cyberzombie says:

    @Larry This is the government you’re talking about. Takes time to put out a rfp, field the responses (which are quite heavy waterfall methodology), find the cheapest bidder, get it implemented…only to have it turn out like the ACA website.

  159. beththeserf says:

    Gail, reposted yr map showing Election votes by county @ Climate Etc.

  160. E.M.Smith says:


    I wondered about that also. Aside from maybe things like SSTO aircraft and orbital look down shoot down laser platforms… I could see some mundane explanations:

    1) Drones.
    2) People who are highly ranked and ‘flying over others’. (It was in a context where, while a bit of a poetic stretch, it could easily have ment “high fliers” as people who accomplish a lot and ‘assets’ as human assets to an administration).
    3) Spy Satellites to let him see in real time all over the world. I could see a visit to that room in the White House to have been a thrill…

    Now, personally, I’d like to think it means “U.S.A. Space Force Lunar Colony”… but somehow I think that’s just not real… Not enough launches from anywhere to supply it or build it. But IFF they got the SSTO flying out of Utah, maybe…

    The reality is likely much more mundane, like a drone that flies at 50,000 feet and can’t be seen from the ground, but can target a person with a beard holding a rifle…

  161. philjourdan says:

    Another company to boycott – http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/10/boss-says-employees-who-agree-with-trumps-rhetoric-should-resign.html

    Although I do not avail myself of their services. Apparently they are not a company to do business with all americans, just snowflakes.

  162. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting look at where the Democratic party changed and started the march toward the Clinton, Obama party and then ultimately to the modern Obama destruction of the party.
    Under his administration over 8 years the Democrats lost 13 Senate seats,
    69 seats in the House of Representatives, 12 governor’s seats, 30 state chambers,
    and more than 900 state legislative seats.


  163. Gail Combs says:

    Good Grief, that Park and Rec woman needs to be yanked out of the government FAST! I sure hope she quits in PROTEST. The last thing we need in government is weepy two year olds.

  164. Gail Combs says:

    OH MY, snicker

    Zeke Hausfather, energy systems analyst and environmental economist at Berkeley Earth:
    “It’s certainly a major setback for progress on combating climate change. While the U.S. has a lot of institutional checks and balances that can hopefully moderate the impact of a Trump presidency, it means the end of the Clean Power Plan and a big roadblock to achieving the aggressive reductions needed for a 2 C warming world. The only silver lining is that structural factors in the energy sector will likely favor the continued decline of coal (and rise of gas/renewables) for electricity generation in the U.S., though it will happen more slowly. I certainly expect to be talking a lot more about geoengineering and overshoot scenarios now than I did a few days ago.”

    More screaming at: https://www.carbonbrief.org/us-election-climate-scientists-react-donald-trumps-victory

    First comment is by Monckton! I am surprised it is still up. Several other good comments by skeptics.

    I sure as heck hope Trump pulls out of the United Nations and kicks their butts out of the USA. We in America have been paying through the nose for this bunch of leaches.

  165. Larry Ledwick says:

    Another analysis of the Democratic destruction of their party by the legacy of Obama politics.

  166. Larry Ledwick says:

    This probably fits best here. The transition process has begun and the Trump Administration is starting to out line some of its priorities and define its agenda.

    They are expressing an intent (probably this will be the rational to shut down some over reaching Federal agencies) of adhering to the guide lines of the 10th amendment.



  167. Gail Combs says:

    Larry in that National Review article I think the commenters Barbara Razza and Tim Bryant hit the nail on the head and not the author who missed the truth by a mile. The author seems to be scrambling for an excuse and not for the truth.

    (I have cleaned up Barbara’s comment a bit by adding in the capitals, punctuation and spacing)

    The democrats, have been pandering to, it seemed to us, everybody but us. Everybody but American citizens. Everybody seemed more important than us;
    The Muslims became the focus, not the American citizens who were hurt by them.
    The illegals, not the citizens who pay for their children to be fed and educated.
    The college kids and their never ending temper tantrums.

    Or how about here in New York, the inequality. That’s an important thing, but so is the middle class worker bees, who pay for them. The democrats didn’t put America first. We were like way down on the list. And we know that we are the ones who make this ship sail. It became dehumanizing. People literally hate democrats now, and i live in new york. Older people in the fifities can’t wait to retire and leave. The last 8 years have changed so much of what used to be. Too much, too fast. They overplayed their hand on so many topics;
    The lgbt community with the boys in the girls locker room
    Only ever talking about the rich and the poor.
    We got nothing. literally nothing for 8 years we are done.

    Tim Bryant

    “But that gives you only one facet of the problem. Everyone is focusing on Trump’s success at winning outsized numbers of white working-class voters. Left unexamined is the fact that these voters were gettable by any Republican, even a maverick like Trump.”

    We were gettable because BOTH parties abandoned us. The Democrats took our paychecks to redistribute to their pet groups, while the Republicans shipped our jobs overseas in order to pay for their summer homes. Democrats called us racists and uneducated hicks 24/7, and mocked us while they watched their “people of Wal-Mart” videos. Republicans waited until AFTER they had our votes, then called us racists and uneducated hicks.

    We were left with a choice; form a third party, or just take over one.

    And Trump helped us take over the Republican party.

  168. Larry Ledwick says:

    Why Trump probably actually won the popular vote, and may yet depending on how many absentee ballots get counted.


  169. Larry Ledwick says:

    The shift in the old school blue collar Democratic vote as the party moves away from them.


  170. E.M.Smith says:


    Interesting point about how absentee ballots are counted and their ‘bias’ in practice. Frankly, I find it appalling that they don’t count them most of the time. Just screws up the statistics even if the result isn’t changed. Make them an OCR form (mark sense) and just shove them through a tabulator like all the rest. Is there anyone today who can’t “fill in the bubble with a #2 pencil.”?

    I’m fond of saying: “I’m a Kennedy Democrat or a Reagan Republican; but I’ve not changed, the parties have moved.”

    It wasn’t the people who moved away from the Democratic Party, it was the party that became “Socialism Lite” and anti-America in effects. They moved from “representing the population” to “manicure the population to create the society you want”, and that just offended those being clipped…

  171. Larry Ledwick says:

    Not that it will change anything but from twitter:
    Bill Mitchell ‏@mitchellvii 26m26 minutes ago

    Talked to a pollster friend of mine who agrees with me the CA demos look very suspect. May have been massive voting of illegals.

    I agree I think the not counting absentee votes is a legacy of when it was a manual process and labor intensive. Now that we have automated systems it would take minutes to count them all in each voting district. It would also help as you say fill out the voting statistics so you could see the real response.

    With 53% of the counted votes voting for someone other than Hillary and the outstanding absentee uncounted votes it is highly questionable that she actually won the “legal” popular vote.
    Perhaps we need to also as part of voter hygiene require a post election audit of votes cast to make it more complicated to manipulate the voting systems.

    I hope someone like True the vote challenges a highly suspect precint in California to toss out illegal votes cast and provide a proof of concept of the degree of manipulation taking place.

  172. Larry Ledwick says:

    Another quick summary of the damage done to the Democratic party by Obama, he has taken such a toll it will be a decade of more for them to recover.

  173. Gail Combs says:

    The Democrats have made it very clear they are the party of GLOBALISM.
    And if you believe Dr. Bill Warner:

    And Stefan Molyneux (Demographics)

    It becomes clear the goal is destruction of Western Civilization as we move towards a two class system of dumb serfs/slaves and a techno-aristocracy.

  174. Larry Ledwick says:

    The final monument to Obama may be destruction of the modern Democratic party.

  175. Larry Ledwick says:

    Follow up on the spirit cooking / pizza references in the emails.
    A whole bunch of info has been collected and collated/annotated here.


  176. Gail Combs says:

    Larry — YUCK! I really hope that goes somewhere. And they toss a whole bunch in jail.

    TRUMP at WORK already….

    “I place great importance on the China-U.S. relationship, and look forward to working with you to uphold the principles of non-conflict, non-confrontation, mutual respect and win-win cooperation,” Xi told Trump by phone”http://fortune.com/2016/11/09/china-president-xi-jinping-donald-trump/
    GATT allows graduated tariffs for industry sectors where trade imbalances exist….. GRIN

    Mexico — https://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/World/2016/Nov-10/380652-mexico-says-ready-to-modernize-nafta-with-trump.ashx

    and Canada — https://www.yahoo.com/news/canada-pm-trudeau-says-ready-renegotiate-nafta-trump-165713892.html

    announce their willingness to begin renegotiation’s of NAFTA.

  177. A C Osborn says:

    Larry Ledwick says:
    15 November 2016 at 5:04 am

    That is horrendous information, but I really can’t see ordinary people overcoming such evil in such high places without some serious help.
    But who could you possibly trust in any government organisation when you see so much involvement by DOJ people.
    No wonder there are so many dead bodies in the past.

  178. Larry Ledwick says:

    I have been seeing mentions of this for a couple days and suspected it was the reason Hillary did not show to her supporters the night of the election. The Hillary supporters will not believe this because of the source but it is clear evidence that she is not mentally stable enough to be President. There are other supporting stories of the same sort of violent vase and lamp throwing rages in the past which have been hushed up, and the media refuses to report.


  179. Larry Ledwick says:

    Hmmm this could be interesting – from Twitter:
    Megyn Kelly ‏@megynkelly 29 seconds ago

    #BREAKING report via @JenniferJJacobs: President-elect @realDonaldTrump considering @SenTedCruz for Attorney General. #KellyFile

  180. Gail Combs says:

    Roger Stone on the Alex Jones vid I posted earlier today, mentioned the MSM was tossing out names in hopes of getting backstabbing Neocons into Trumps Admin. And I can think of no one who matches that description better than Ted Cruz.

    Also you can be sure that the witch Megyn Kelly will be the LAST person to know what Trump is up to. She is just stirring up the cesspool.

  181. E.M.Smith says:

    I find it funny that various “news” shows and “personalities” are playing the same old game of vilify the candidate’s picks and “suggest” more “acceptable” alternatives. Do they really think that having been outed as shills and agents for the opposition any of us, or Trump staff, give a tinkers damn what they think or say?

    They are singing to the choir, in the choir, but haven’t noticed the gongregation has moved to that big tent revival down the street where everybody does the singing… good pot luck lunch too… Y’all come…

  182. Larry Ledwick says:

    Although I think you’re probably right Gail, there is something to be said for putting him in such a position.
    The old adage about keeping your enemies close, and an enemy redeemed is more loyal than a friend.
    Cruz seriously wounded his stature in the party with that action, so if allowed a path to redemption could feel very obligated to serve Trump in exchange for the virtual pardon.

    Good Executives know how to make those choices, even total jerks can be useful to an organization if they are put in places where being a jerk is useful. I understand that he was a good prosecutor in Texas and his showing the independence to stiff Trump early in the campaign could also if properly channeled make him an AG who would not back down to political pressure.

    It also could be an intentional bait move to keep the focus off other possible candidates.

  183. G. Combs says:

    “…he was a good prosecutor in Texas…”
    IIRC the ‘good prosecutor’ was the usual inflated credentials you get from a politician. (Cruz is Canadian and not American BTW link and link Not until 1977 was dual citizenship allowed by Canada and Cruz admitted he had Canadian citizenship in 2014. )

    The REAL TED CRUZ: The Brutalism of Ted Cruz
    by David Brooks
    JAN. 12, 2016

    In 1997, Michael Wayne Haley was arrested after stealing a calculator from
    Walmart. This was a crime that merited a maximum two-year prison term. But prosecutors incorrectly applied a habitual offender law. Neither the judge nor the defense lawyer caught the error and Haley was sentenced to 16 years.

    Eventually, the mistake came to light and Haley tried to fix it. Ted Cruz was solicitor general of Texas at the time. Instead of just letting Haley go for time served, Cruz took the case to the Supreme Court to keep Haley in prison for the full 16 years. [emphasis added]

    Some justices were skeptical. “Is there some rule that you can’t confess error in your state?” Justice Anthony Kennedy asked. The court system did finally let Haley out of prison, after six years.

    The case reveals something interesting about Cruz’s character. Ted Cruz is now running strongly among evangelical voters, especially in Iowa. But in his career and public presentation Cruz is a stranger to most of what would generally be considered the Christian virtues: humility, mercy, compassion and grace. Cruz’s behavior in the Haley case is almost the dictionary definition of pharisaism: an overzealous application of the letter of the law in a way that violates the spirit of the law, as well as fairness and mercy.

    Traditionally, candidates who have attracted strong evangelical support have in part
    emphasized the need to lend a helping hand to the economically stressed and the least fortunate among us. Such candidates include George W. Bush, Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum.
    But Cruz’s speeches are marked by what you might call pagan brutalism. There is not a hint of compassion, gentleness and mercy. Instead, his speeches are marked by a long list of enemies, and vows to crush, shred, destroy, bomb them. When he is speaking in a church the contrast between the setting and the emotional tone he sets is jarring….

  184. G. Combs says:


  185. G. Combs says:

    “…he was a good prosecutor in Texas…”
    IIRC the ‘good prosecutor’ was the usual inflated credentials you get from a politician. (Cruz is Canadian and not American BTW link and link Not until 1977 was dual citizenship allowed by Canada and Cruz admitted he had Canadian citizenship in 2014. )

    The REAL TED CRUZ — The Brutalism of Ted Cruz
    by David Brooks
    JAN. 12, 2016

    In 1997, Michael Wayne Haley was arrested after stealing a calculator from
    Walmart. This was a crime that merited a maximum two-year prison term. But prosecutors incorrectly applied a habitual offender law. Neither the judge nor the defense lawyer caught the error and Haley was sentenced to 16 years.

    Eventually, the mistake came to light and Haley tried to fix it. Ted Cruz was solicitor general of Texas at the time. Instead of just letting Haley go for time served, Cruz took the case to the Supreme Court to keep Haley in prison for the full 16 years. [emphasis added]

    Some justices were skeptical. “Is there some rule that you can’t confess error in your state?” Justice Anthony Kennedy asked. The court system did finally let Haley out of prison, after six years.

    The case reveals something interesting about Cruz’s character. Ted Cruz is now running strongly among evangelical voters, especially in Iowa. But in his career and public presentation Cruz is a stranger to most of what would generally be considered the Christian virtues: humility, mercy, compassion and grace. Cruz’s behavior in the Haley case is almost the dictionary definition of pharisaism: an overzealous application of the letter of the law in a way that violates the spirit of the law, as well as fairness and mercy.

    Traditionally, candidates who have attracted strong evangelical support have in part
    emphasized the need to lend a helping hand to the economically stressed and the least fortunate among us. Such candidates include George W. Bush, Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum.
    But Cruz’s speeches are marked by what you might call pagan brutalism. There is not a hint of compassion, gentleness and mercy. Instead, his speeches are marked by a long list of enemies, and vows to crush, shred, destroy, bomb them. When he is speaking in a church the contrast between the setting and the emotional tone he sets is jarring….

  186. G. Combs says:

    “…he was a good prosecutor in Texas…”

    by David Brooks
    JAN. 12, 2016

    In 1997, Michael Wayne Haley was arrested after stealing a calculator from
    Walmart. This was a crime that merited a maximum two-year prison term. But prosecutors incorrectly applied a habitual offender law. Neither the judge nor the defense lawyer caught the error and Haley was sentenced to 16 years.

    Eventually, the mistake came to light and Haley tried to fix it. Ted Cruz was solicitor general of Texas at the time. Instead of just letting Haley go for time served, Cruz took the case to the Supreme Court to keep Haley in prison for the full 16 years. [emphasis added]

    Some justices were skeptical. “Is there some rule that you can’t confess error in your state?” Justice Anthony Kennedy asked. The court system did finally let Haley out of prison, after six years.

    The case reveals something interesting about Cruz’s character. Ted Cruz is now running strongly among evangelical voters, especially in Iowa. But in his career and public presentation Cruz is a stranger to most of what would generally be considered the Christian virtues: humility, mercy, compassion and grace. Cruz’s behavior in the Haley case is almost the dictionary definition of pharisaism: an overzealous application of the letter of the law in a way that violates the spirit of the law, as well as fairness and mercy.

    Traditionally, candidates who have attracted strong evangelical support have in part
    emphasized the need to lend a helping hand to the economically stressed and the least fortunate among us. Such candidates include George W. Bush, Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum.
    But Cruz’s speeches are marked by what you might call pagan brutalism. There is not a hint of compassion, gentleness and mercy. Instead, his speeches are marked by a long list of enemies, and vows to crush, shred, destroy, bomb them. When he is speaking in a church the contrast between the setting and the emotional tone he sets is jarring….

    Not exactly the guy I want anywhere near my country’s seat of power.

  187. G. Combs says:

    Cruz is Canadian and not American BTW link and link The two stories dovetail.

    Not until 1977 was dual citizenship allowed by Canada and Cruz admitted he had Canadian citizenship in 2014. The only way Cruz would have citizenship is via Amnesty. This is why he seal his records and that of his MOTHER’S.

  188. G. Combs says:

    links on the citizenship of the above individual gets tossed into the ether.

  189. Larry Ledwick says:

    Hmmmm “The REAL TED CRUZ” – I had not heard that story with all the noise from all the candidates this last campaign season it was hard to get a good picture of any of them just too much random stuff with no focus that you should have seen if there was a more limited set of contenders.

  190. pg sharrow says:

    Ted Cruze sounds like a perfect candidate for the Supreme Court. Enforce the letter of the Constitution contract and not the feel good manipulations of the American Bar Association and Liberal Progressives…pg

  191. Larry Ledwick says:

    Here is an interesting observation about the campaign mistakes by Clinton that might have cost her the election. Apparently she was so sure she would win she was spending her money to in the key states to get votes she didn’t need to win and assumed she would easily get the minimum necessary 270.


  192. philjourdan says:

    @Larry – that would explain a lot. I saw a ton of Clinton ads in Virginia, and almost none for Trump (she easily won the state). She had twice the ad buy, but in all the wrong places.

  193. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting little bit of election trivia from Twitter:
    Bill Mitchell ‏@mitchellvii 19 minutes ago
    Donald Trump won 49 of the 50 states by 2.2 million votes. California alone accounts for Hillary’s entire million vote lead.

    I wonder how many illegals voted in California?

  194. Larry Ledwick says:

    A comment on the likelihood of Russia actually having “hacked” our election and the frenzy of blame the Russians for Trumps election.


    A personal note, since the Obama administration actively worked to defeat Benjamin Netanyahu during his election by sending Democratic activists to Israel, there is a far more reasonable rational for a bit of Mossad intervention in the Clinton email scandal than Russia. They not only have a very specific current reason for payback, but they also have the technological capability on a par with Russia. Even if wikileaks is strongly influenced by Russia, that would not necessarily prevent them from allowing info leaked by another nation state to wikileaks from being distributed if it served their agenda.

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  196. philjourdan says:

    @Larry –

    there is a far more reasonable rational for a bit of Mossad intervention in the Clinton email scandal than Russia.

    And they also have the capability to incriminate Russia in the deal. But Democrats are too simple minded in their conspiracy theories. So they will never get it.

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