TT – Minus 5 weeks

The Trump Transition “TT” at minus 5 weeks. (really more like 4 1/2 ’cause I was in the middle of nowhere Texas on Friday…)

December has 2 weeks, and 3 more in January. Sporadically I’ll put up additional TT posts as any one gets too full to load quickly, or as some event causes me to desire to put a head post up on the topic.

Prior similar threads are:

I’ve finished my “road trip” of 5000+ road miles in about 2 1/2 weeks, and I’ve almost caught up on sleep ;-)

At the moment, we have an assassinated Russian Ambassador, an assassinated Polish Truck Driver, his truck used to mow down Christians at a Christmas Market in Germany (by an escaped perpetrator who is presumed to be a jihadi… for the simple reason that of the mass killings in the news essentially 100% of them are by Muslim Jihadi Nutjobs, and especially those involving murdering Christians.)

How will this all shake out? Who know, but we do know that The (pointless) One Obummer will do nothing but issue pardons and let anything ‘negative’ land on Trump. My suspicion is that Trump will ‘cut a deal’ with Putin to do a takedown on whoever’s side killed the Ambassador. As I (almost) understand it, the Jihadi Cop who did the shooting was protesting the Russian bombing of Allepo and the killing of the muslims there, which theoretically puts him on the side of the “rebels” that “we” quasi-support. As I read the tea leaves, Trump isn’t keen on any of the ‘sides’ in Syria, not seeing much profit in any of it, and will likely green-light Putin to do whatever he wants in exchange for a mutual crushing of ISIS in the region. (Frankly, I think it would be a real hoot and a half to see what the combined forces of Russia and the USA can get done in The Levant… and then both of us take a long hard look at the EU and ask just what their Grand Game is these days… it seems to still be “Here, let me hold your coat while you and him fight”…

CNN continues with The Russians Did It! squealing like a stuck pig, while on MSNBC:

I was astounded that on The Morning Joe, one Joe S. actually said something sane and reasonable. Essentially it was along the lines of ~”As long as the DNC (and fellow travelers) continue to blame The Russians and hacks and vilify Trump, they will never recover”. Then there was a listing of the horrific scale of losses nation wide at all levels, and naming a few names (Pelosi was one, IIRC) who need to go into psych-social-rehab for the good of The Party. He ‘got it’ that trampling the Bernie supporters, putting forward a criminal-mindset has-been with an offensive history and similar personality who’s only features were she was married to a serial philanderer ( or rapist depending on who you believe) and took it, while waiting ‘her turn’ (and pointing at her vagina) and was solidly owned by The Moneyed Powers having lots of experience in Pay-To-Play while thinking (and letting us all know) that in her opinion, 1/4 of the voters were “deplorable” while the rest of Trump supporters (the rest of that 1/2, or another 1/4) were “irredeemable”. What’s not to like?…

So good on ya’ Joe! FWIW, IFF you can get that message into the heads of the DNC ranks, then the Democrats have a hope of a comeback. Personally, I like having choice, and you only get that with good competition. So one idea for you: Notice all those Bernie supporters? I was one of them. Now I’m not a fan of Socialism, I was an ABC voter. ANYONE BUT CLINTON. Now look at the Republican side. EVERY SINGLE ONE who got “anointed” by the RNC immediately went down in flames. BOTH ‘sides’ were fed up with the Bush / Clinton show (what’s it been now, about 40 years?…) This is being called a ‘change’ election. I think it runs deeper. It’s a “You Bastards Don’t Give A Shit! F.U.” election, which means we the deplorable irredeemable Burners wanted to burn your collective asses. THE only reason, IMHO, that we have a Trump President is that the RNC was not able to steal the nomination from the voters. The Dimocrats (the most dim of the Democrats…) in the DNC DID manage The Steal from Bernie. The result is Democrats lost. Again, IMHO, had Bernie been running against Trump, I suspect we’d be looking at the first openly Socialist President of the USA today. (Had it been Bernie vs Bush, for sure…)

So your ‘takeaway’ from that ought to be a pretty simple thing: STOP trying to force the members of the Democratic Party down your (bought and paid for?) ideological path and STOP letting Soros and the Big Money drive things. They have driven you to the curb watching the parade go by. DO let your party members (the VOTERS not the MONEY not the DNC Elite) decide who to run and what the platform ought to be. The 1/2 the population they represent know the mood of the population far better than any “think tank” or “polling operation” in the D.C. (District Of Criminals) looking to gain power, favor, or go into subsidy farming… Be FOR the Median Voter +/- one Standard Deviation, not out on a far left limb, nor in the pocket of the 1% of Limousine Liberals.

I’m sure there will be many other topics come up in this turn of the transition.

We have the “OMG, Trump is choosing successful Billionaires!@!” complaint (one supposes the Loony Side Of Left would rather he chose losers or those who can be bought…).

Then there is the persistent incredibly STUPID story that “The Russians Did It!!”. First off, you can’t know if they did the hack, or not. (As pointed out several times already, I’m a computer security guy who had to deal with this stuff professionally for a couple of decades… it’s ‘my business’ and I’m good at it.) My first encounter with The Russians was in about 1986, so call it 30 years ago. To think that only this year they woke up and started hacking is just dumb. They are about 1/4 as active as the Chinese, so anything they have, or did, the Chinese had more of and sooner. Now look at what ‘the hack’ was (and was not): It was NOT a changing of the vote. Recounts and paper ballot States show that. (In fact, they show a little fudging by the Democrats in places like Chicago…but not enough to change the outcome since they are concentrated in places like California where the Dims already run the table). It WAS a publishing of the criminal and completely immoral actual acts and crimes of the DNC, Clinton, Media like CNN and MSNBC and ‘papers of record’ in burning Bernie and going ‘all in’ on biasing the debates (and worse). So at most, it was exposing the truth. Golly, being truthful, such a crime… /sarc; Every time I hear “The Russians Did It!!” I think two things: “Hype and unknowable” and then “IFF The Russians did it, I need to send someone a bottle of Vodka… Thanks Guys!”. Exposing corruption and law breaking is not an evil act.

Finally, we’re done with the Electoral College vote, and Trump has it. There’s endless bleating about how horrible it is that we don’t have a direct popular vote. Well, there’s a very long list of reasons why the Electoral College matters. As just ONE example, what happens if just post election a nuke were set off by Iran in D.C. and it takes out the present president, the V.P., and Trump while being briefed on something or other. WHO becomes president? Do we have a ‘do over’ of the election for 2 more years? Give it to Hillary? On the 20th does it go to Pense? Easier is to just let the Electors chose a president (as is their job) and get on with the business of nuking back… Similarly, if Trump had a heart attack, would Obummer stay in for a couple of years for the do-over? Does that give inducement to some folks to spike drinks? Does knowing that The Electoral College would just ‘pick someone good’ remove that inducement? It’s a good system, for many reasons, only the smallest of which is that it makes the election a national affair instead of just a Bos-Wash + L.A. event. (Imagine Ms. Green demanding a nation wide recount of every single vote, not just those in ‘contested’ States…)

Well, with luck, in just 5 more weeks all this crap will be behind us and a whole new load will have arrived ;-)

With that: Let the conversing commence!

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101 Responses to TT – Minus 5 weeks

  1. Larry Ledwick says:

    This probably belongs here more than where I originally posted it (having only seen this thread as things reloaded) so this is a double post where it is more likely to be referenced in context.

    Commentary on Democratic election antics and their failure to understand this was an election that rejected HRC, as much as it was an election to choose DJT.

  2. Gail Combs says:

    Seems my comment on TT -6 got tossed. Can you fish it out E.M.?

  3. E.M.Smith says:


    I don’t see any to fish…


    No worries on dupes… Yeah, the ‘Big Miss” was just that pissing on The Little People was not going to fly this time… from EITHER party.

  4. Gail Combs says:

    on TT -6Wks …

    Serioso says:
    14 December 2016 at 5:34 pm
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    What Should I Do?

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    trying to impersonate the site, and you shouldn’t continue…

    Seems Firefox no longer likes the New York Times!

  5. Gail Combs says:

    Actually the ‘Fish’ was an answer to the second type of ‘LEAP’ Which I do agree with.

    However we have to be careful not to toss the baby out with the bathwater. The Renaissance, The Enlightenment and Christianity all hang together. That does not mean religion has not been copted by totalitarians as a tool to use to dominate others. Since the first shaman ganged up with the bully boys, religion has been used to control the minds of the serfs. However Christianity with it’s Man made in the image of God gave rise to Renaissance, the Enlightenment and finally the Declaration of Independence. It also give us a moral code useful for a civilized society.

    The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

    When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed…

    Here is a bit of the first try I did save.

    It has been claimed by many that the final destruction of greatest library of the ancient world, the Library of Alexandria, was by the Muslim conquest of Alexandria in 641 AD. The legend goes that when asked what to do with the library after the capture of Alexandria, Caliph Umar (advisor to and father-in-law of The Prophet Muhammad) replied: “If the books are in accordance with the book of Allah, we may do without them, for the book of Allah more than suffices. If they are not in accordance, then there is no need to preserve them.”

    Unfortunately this destruction is still being carried out today. (And yes religious fanatics of the Christian faith were just as guilty of destruction)

    Just in the last decade or so:
    During the rebellion in the Islamic tyranny of the Maldives in Feb 2012, a mob of Islamic fascists invaded the National Museum.
    They destroyed forever these ancient coral stone Buddhist statues on Tue 7 Feb 2012.
    About 35 exhibits – mostly images of Buddha and Hindu gods – were destroyed.
    Some of the artifacts dated to the 6th century AD. The Thoddoo head (c.600 AD) was destroyed.
    99 percent of the Maldives’ pre-Islamic artifacts (pre-12th century) were destroyed.

    Somali Islamists destroy old graves, shrines and churches.

    Muslim Azerbaijan destroys ancient Christian sites.

    The Taliban systematically destroyed every book and artwork in Afghanistan that they deemed “un-Islamic”, including all books with pictures, and all statues in the country. The Northern Alliance also burned thousands of books in the Kabul Public Library.

    Islamist fanatics burnt the Al-Saeh library in Tripoli Lebanon in Jan 2014.

    Hamas in Mar 2013 destroyed part of the ancient harbour of Anthedon in Gaza in order to build a terrorist training camp.

    Saudi Arabia has destroyed most of old Mecca and has destroyed many other sites in the country.

    Mali jihad destroyed much of Timbuktu’s ancient heritage in 2012-13. The main library of Timbuktu, containing thousands of medieval manuscripts, was set on fire by the Islamists in Jan 2013

    Iraqis burnt their own National Library and looted their own National Museum on liberation in 2003.

    ISIS jihadi fighters in Syria destroying a 3,000 year-old Assyrian statue, May 2014.

    The Chinese regime is currently destroying the ancient city of Kashgar. link

    The list goes on and on but you will not find it in any Progressive Propaganda rag.
    From The burning of libraries with a little language clean-up

  6. M Simon says:

    Gail Combs says:
    20 December 2016 at 5:20 pm

    (From the previous thread)

    PTSD runs in my family. It also runs in my wife’s.

    I spanked my oldest child ONCE and regretted it for years afterwards. I spent a decade apologizing to my oldest son – because I knew better.

    I found other methods of discipline. The kids turned out OK. #2 son graduated with honors from UChicago. #1 daughter has a degree in chemical engineering. #3 son is an electronic engineer. #1 son has medical problems.

    Spanking IMO is unnecessary. There are other ways to teach.


    Most criminals were abused in childhood. (Physical abuse is the most common kind)

    Why aren’t we draining that swamp? One reason is that most people are not properly trained in the effects of PTSD. And your example of a Christian leader is evidence of that ignorance.

    Try this one on for size:

    Dr. Lonny Shavelson found that 70% of female heroin addicts had been sexually assaulted in childhood.

    We do not have an opiate epidemic – we have a child abuse epidemic – and what we are seeing now is the result of abuse that happened 15 to 20 years ago. With cause and effect so far apart most folks do not make the connection.


    On a personal note: my dad did not stop beating me until I was 10. And I had to complain to a friend of his before things changed. His anger? His mother beat him. And he was kinder to me than his mother was to him. In my 40s we reconciled. I do not hold it against him. That stuff was not well understood back then. Corporal punishment was accepted as a child discipline method.

    I’m working to see that the practice ends. At least until we can get a test for PTSD susceptibility so we can tell which children it is relatively safe to beat.

  7. M Simon says:

    Gail Combs says:
    20 December 2016 at 8:22 pm

    The corruption comes when religion gets “organized”. If you need a priest, rabbi, minister, guru, etc for your religion – find another one. “God” (what ever that is) has an individual message for each of us. No mass religion can ever offer that.

    To hear that message you have to quiet your internal noise makers. Not many put in the effort to do that. It is very difficult and requires considerable self discipline. So instead we are given a book of rules. And by those books we are ruled.

    You also see it in the multiplication of laws. A multiplicity of laws is the result of a “Godless” people. And by Godless I mean – knows right and wrong and ACTS accordingly. But to know that you have to be quiet so you hear the small voice.

    Here is a start.

    1. Do not lie – big or little – the biggest lies are the ones you tell yourself
    2. Do not express negative emotions

    There are some other ideas needed to learn quiet. . I suggest Ouspensky’s “Fourth Way” – don’t let the esoteric mumbo jumbo distract you.

  8. Gail Combs says:

    M Simon,

    The problem for me is ‘no spanking’ has been interpreted to mean NO DISCIPLINE. (They are now pushing a raised voice as ‘Child Abuse’ in NC)

    “..we are seeing now is the result of abuse that happened 15 to 20 years ago….”

    The ‘no spanking’ came in during the 1940-1950s. I know because my mother was indoctrinated with it, and then rejected it as useless when I showed up as the second child in 1950. So that ‘method’ of child rearing has been around for three generations or more.
    Where did it come from? The Hand that Rocked the Cradle: A Critical Analysis of Rockefeller Philanthropic Funding, 1920-1960

    When you say the ‘result of abuse that happened 15 to 20 years ago….’ and I see a bunch of whining brats of 18 to 22 years demanding their safe spaces, after the defeat of Clinton, I see a major disconnect.

    Over the last three decades as a manager I had some of the responses to my orders to stop reading comics/mags/playing games on company time being F..CK YOU B..TCH GET OUT OF MY FACE, from supposedly college educated chemists. Again I really see a major disconnect. (And a bunch of spoiled brats.)

    I think what you are seeing as abuse is the result of the destruction of the nuclear family and also of the community support structure that again goes back to just after WWII. It was the deliberate acts of the Committee for Economic Development (1942) that resulted in the destruction of entire communities with the express purpose of driving workers into cities.

    You say that 20% have a gene for PSTD that makes ‘spanking’ aka pain a major life change with the result of ‘making a social enemy for life’

    I find that very very surprising since pain was the specific adaption for making animals learn to avoid situations that would get them killed. All the herd animals that I know of use pain, inflected by other members of the herd, to teach member where they belong in the ‘society’ aka civilizing them.

    A friend of mine and I will take a yearling colt who thinks he is Hot Stuff and is nipping, rearing and otherwise being obnoxious and toss him in with an older pregnant mare. He will learn real fast he is not top of the food chain and become a gentleman without human intervention. If he is later used as a stud he will be well mannered and not injure the mare.

    Some how with humans (and the environment) using ‘pain’ to discipline/teach children for about 120,000 years, I find it mind blowing that all of a sudden humans are such delicate Snowflakes that pain can now ‘ruin’ a child for life.

    2010 Genetics of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder: Review and Recommendations for Genome-Wide Association Studies

    2016 Fear factor: New genetic candidate for treating PTSD

    …Using a population-based mouse model, they studied normal variation in how well the mice detected threats and fears. They used mice that are well-characterized for learning behavior, and also exhibit a wide range of “high” and “low” anxiety, modeling the range found in humans. The investigators tested to see how well the mice learned to detect threats, a form of fear learning that all humans and animals do. When this learning is exaggerated in children or adults, symptoms of PTSD and anxiety are expressed….

    So this goes into what I was saying about ‘reading’ the animal/person and the range I see in my animals, only I call it ‘sensitivity.’ Some respond to a harsh tone while others need a 2X4. And in all cases you have to have a clue as to WHY the behavior happened.

    All this says is you had better be good at ‘reading’ the animal/person and applying the correct level of discipline. It does not rule out ‘spanking’ for the “low” anxiety challenger to your authority. It just says you start with the lowest level of stimuli.

    I really hate the ‘one size fits all’ crap we are now seeing in everything.

  9. Gail Combs says:

    M Simon says: “The corruption comes when religion gets “organized”….”

    Well I certainly agree with that.
    James Hilton in Lost Horizon (1933) said “The jewel has facets,” said the Chinese, “and it is possible that many religions are moderately true.” I always figured that was a pretty good view of religions. I do not see any one religion as having a monopoly on ‘Truth’

    Actually most religions have some version of the Ten Commandments

    These are a pretty good basis for civilization which is why I approve of Christianity.
    Honour thy father and thy mother.
    Thou shalt not kill.
    Thou shalt not commit adultery
    Thou shalt not steal
    Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour
    Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, neighbour’s wife, neighbour’s servants, animals, or anything else

    Communism/Socialism certainly violates the last one since it is entirely based on coveting thy neighbour’s house, servants, animals, and the rest of his wealth.

  10. JP Miller says:

    Gail, you make a case for the need for religion to provide the moral/ ethical mandates needed for a civil and just society. Religion implies a metaphysical supreme being (God). Why do you see this element as necessary? For me, one can derive the few key moral/ ethical principles needed for a civil and just society without the need for such a being who, somehow, by its existence, you feel legitimizes such principles. In short, why is “God” needed?

    My case is simple: people live in a society of fellow humans. Each person wants to be free from threat of force or fraud. Therefore, force and fraud should be proscribed by our collective agreement and mechanisms (I.e., government). As a result of society, we must depend on other’s production for things we need to live and therefore must do the same for others, in a mutually agreed exchange of value. Therefore, all who can do something that is exchangeable, should. Those unable to exchange their work efforts are deserving of charity, first from their family, and second from all others. But, charity can only be voluntary. Otherwise it is coercion, which is to be avoided except for the two things every group of people require to pursue their lives: protection from outsiders and a system of justice within.

    So, we go from first principles (what’s needed for each person to pursue their interests) that are derivable from the nature of who we are as creatures, to how we can secure the requirements to fulfill our needs, from first principles, without reference to religion or a supreme being. The foregoing is consistent with what our Founders believed. They referenced God and religion because it was such an overwhelming social reality of the time. In 21st century America, we need an approach to principles that does not require reference to God.

    I’m not against religious belief. Those who feel a need for it should have it (within the above constraints that force and fraud are not allowed). I just see no need for it.

  11. A rant alright, but a good and enjoyable one. I’ll pass it on, like I sometimes do.

  12. G. Combs says:

    Laura Ingraham speech at the RNC convention.

    Worth a watch if you haven’t seen it.

  13. E.M.Smith says:

    @J.P. Miller:

    The need for a metaphysical being is only in the mind of those who see religion as “the 3 great religions” derived from the one source. (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) For others, there is no such need. Buddhism, for example. Buddha is not seen as a metaphysical God, but as an enlightened human being who chose to point the way to others…

    Needless to say, I lean more to the Buddhist side in general philosophy. Though I find much of value in the Judaeo / Christian group morals and history. (Islam not so much… a way too barbaric and violent leaning path IMHO, what with ‘convert or die’ at the core of it.)

    Then there are the religions that simply see nature at work. The Wind Spirit. The Sun Spirit. The Earth Mother. They are more descriptions of physical realities than a metaphysical God Person. One thanks the mother earth for the life it brings and the food it provides. One thanks the sun father for the warmth and energy it provides. One sees the results of the wind spirit and wonders at it’s power in tornadoes and hurricanes. Etc. etc. More a different way of seeing physics, chemistry, and biology without the detail of modern science in the way.

    Then there are the Roman and ancient Greek religions that basically put a personality on those physical things. In some ways derived from the more ancient Egyptian religion that had “gods” like Thoth (pronounced Thought) who was the deity of science and knowing (and my personal favorite). Is it really seeing them as a metaphysical super-being? Or more a personification of a physical world not understood well? In some ways those religions were closer to reality than The Big 3 today… (Though the Egyptian ideas and the whole Book Of The Dead ritual passing into the afterlife and being judged by the lightness of your heart is a bit out there…)

    The Hindus take this to a logical extreme, with a ‘God’ for just about everything and a big hierarchy of them. Though one must ask if their conception of a ‘God’ is the same as that from the Big 3 world; or more in tune with the Earth Mother and Father Sun kinship names to nature…

    Oh, and not to forget the Druids and Celtic Pagan beliefs. Essentially a belief in rebirth, and a belief in the oneness of all life. Sacred groves of trees to root the human spirit in the world of natural life. Most Druids were essentially administrative functionaries and the CNN of the day. The Bard class walked through battles and were NOT to be harmed. They recorded what they saw, composed ballads about it, and sang your story to the world for decades to come. Kind of like a “press pass”. Others were the lawyers, judges, and doctors of the day. Still not so much a metaphysical thing, eh? Yes, they had their more loony quirks (like sacrificing a young person to assure good future, as many old cultures did), but some, like augury, are not that loony. (Looking at the entrails of birds can tell you a lot about the land and weather they crossed to get there, is cold and starvation coming, or are they full of seeds and fat?)

    Sidebar: A disclaimer: I have a “Master Druid” rating / certification. I may be biased on that one ;-) but do realize that much (most?) real knowing was lost in the slaughter of the Druid class by the Romans. Essentially wiping out the intelligentsia and historical records of the ancient Celts.

    There are a whole lot more religions in the world than even that short list. The Sikhs derived indirectly from Hindu but with a reduction to one “God”, and mostly an intensely well thought out moral code:
    has much to recommend it.

    Sikhism (/ˈsɪkᵻzəm/), or Sikhi (Punjabi: ਸਿੱਖੀ Sikkhī, pronounced [ˈsɪkːʰiː], from Sikh, meaning a “disciple”, or a “learner”), is a monotheistic religion originated in the Punjab region of the Indian Subcontinent during the 15th century. The fundamental beliefs of Sikhism, articulated in the sacred scripture Guru Granth Sahib, include faith and meditation on the name of the one creator, unity of all humankind, engaging in selfless service, striving for social justice for the benefit and prosperity of all, and honest conduct and livelihood while living a householder’s life.
    An Indian religion, Sikhism rejects claims that any particular religious tradition has a monopoly on Absolute Truth.

    Sikhism emphasizes simran (meditation on the words of the Guru Granth Sahib), that can be expressed musically through kirtan or internally through Nam Japo (repeat God’s name) as a means to feel God’s presence, and to have control over the “Five Thieves” (lust, rage, greed, attachment and conceit). Hand in hand, secular life is considered to be intertwined with the spiritual life. Guru Nanak taught that living an “active, creative, and practical life” of “truthfulness, fidelity, self-control and purity” is above the metaphysical truth, and that the ideal man is one who “establishes union with God, knows His Will, and carries out that Will”. He also established the system of the langar, or communal kitchen, in order to demonstrate the need to share and have equality between all people. Guru Hargobind, the sixth Sikh Guru, established the political/temporal (Miri) and spiritual (Piri) realms to be mutually coexistent.
    Sikhism developed while the region was being ruled by the Mughal Empire. Two of the Sikh gurus – Guru Arjan and Guru Tegh Bahadur, after they refused to convert to Islam, were tortured and executed by the Mughal rulers. The Islamic era persecution of Sikhs triggered the founding of the Khalsa, as an order for freedom of conscience and religion.] A Sikh is expected to embody the qualities of a “Sant-Sipāhī” – a saint-soldier.

    So an interesting blend, in a way, of the Buddhist meditative and mantra seeking, with “there is but one God” (of your metaphysical sort) but then with the idea that the one force shows up in many religions so take what is good where you find it. Something of a halfway house between the “One God” big 3 and the nature as God and just be good of the more ancient religions. Yet most of their ideas are basically just well thought out pragmatic rules for running a human society.

    That they survived and stood up to a Muslim Invasion also speaks well of the durable truths they hold dear. I ought to learn more of Sikhism…

    So there’s a whole lot of different religions out there one can explore, and many of them have no need at all for a metaphysical super-being…

  14. John Robertson says:

    Merry christmas.
    On the subject of Gods, may I recommend Yello; Domingo.
    Great Utube.
    (E.M, this is not a tease, I am too ignorant to create the link.)
    On T minus 5,
    I have to admit I am still hugely entertained by the continuous meltdowns by our progressive comrades.
    I guess if you have never understood the word ;”No”, always found that whining and crying would get you what you desire, the refusal of your narrative by those who foot the bills, might be very shocking.
    For a career parasite to begin to grasp that the free ride is over…..wailing lamentation and lashing out seem fairly predictable.

    The ever changing “reasons” for the failure to communicate are heartwarming, it will be a very cold day in hell before these self deluding know it alls ever consider the problem might be their message itself.

    On that note Mr Obama will live in history, as the man who destroyed the Democrat Party.
    Who knew he was actually good for something?

    Is this another demonstration of “Give ’em enough rope”?
    The arrogance of these entitled dimwits is beyond parody, believing that politeness and restraint are fear and weakness, they always seem to push people until they get slapped senseless, yet like the village idiot they never seem to learn.
    The kind of “liberalism” they promote can only be seen as a progressive disease.

    Of course now, I am fascinated as they lash out in panic, incredibly fearful..
    because they believe the conservative citizens are as emotionally unstable and vindictive as they know themselves to be.
    Projection, way too funny.
    As long as the projectors lack any power.

    Trump is already exceeding my expectations, fine selection of competent persons and unrelenting in his dealing with our entrenched presstitutes.
    May the Kleptocracy tremble.

  15. Larry Ledwick says:

    I would argue the even people who “do not believe in god” actually do, but their god is “logic” or “don’t be a sucker” or “live up to Mom’s expectations” etc.
    I think humans are hard wired to build a mental construct of a higher ideal or objective and try to live to that standard. It might be the warrior that kills the most lions and faces pain without a tear but it is just as much a “god” as any deity, as it becomes a defining standard for behavior and conduct of life.

  16. Power Grab says:

    @ John Robertson
    ‘Is this another demonstration of “Give ’em enough rope”?’

    I always wondered if that was what was really going on.

  17. gallopingcamel says:

    “These are a pretty good basis for civilization which is why I approve of Christianity.”

    That list of “Thou shalts” and “Thou shalt nots” comes from the Torah so I think you should include Jews as well as Christians.

  18. gallopingcamel says:

    It used to be that the only political show I watched on TV was Lou Dobbs on Fox Business.

    It may seem crazy but I have started to watch CNN and especially the hilarious Rachel Maddow. It would be hard to find someone who has been more wrong about everything.

    It is fun to see these people lampooning themselves.

  19. gallopingcamel says:

    Obama’s a petty spat with Putin seems like a desperate attempt to burnish his “Legacy”. Sadly it won’t change anything as he will go down in history as the worst president evah! Yes, even worse than Jimmy Carter.

    Fortunately, the “Legacy” of a president who ruled by fiat can be undone by fiat.

  20. gallopingcamel says:

    Here is a typical Maddow “Scoop”:

    This kind of stuff will go on 24/7 for the next eight years as it did during the Bush presidency. The big difference is that Trump will fight back. This conflict will add to Trump’s appeal while destroying any pretence of “Media” objectivity.

  21. H.R. says:

    Supposedly Trump is giving up on Draining the Swamp.
    Here’s a little creative writing from AP

    The only possible kernel of truth I can discern is at the very bottom, and I’m not sure it really is true. Trump may be giving up using the phrases “Lock Her Up” and “Drain The Swamp” to up his Presidential dignity factor.

  22. E.M.Smith says:


    As I understand it, Trump was never fond of the phrase “Drain the swamp” ( I heard him say so on one video) and he is just saying to drop the phrase, not the goal…

    @Another Ian:

    The stock chart looks pretty dismal too… Almost no dead cat bounce at the end… just laying out flat and lifeless.


    I can take CNN and Rachel (on MSNBC?) in small doses. Some of it good for a laugh, or just opposition research, but sometimes I just can’t stop wanting to shout at the TV and have to change over to something more sane ;-)

    It will be great fun as the Trump Train start flagging those stores as “Fake News” ;-0

    They do seem to have started to ‘let go’ of the Russians Did It! shouting and moved on to “Trump has impossible to correct conflicts of interest!@!!!!!” something about his sons raising money for a charity via a bit of face time if you donated $1M to some cause. The TT pulled the project, so some folks who were going to be helped will now be left out in the cold. (One wonders if Chelsea has been fired from the Clinton “charity” yet? Hmmm?)

    I guess there is nothing else for the backbiters to do than bite any back they see, no matter how tiny…

    Per Obama and Putin: I think it’s just Soros calling the shots. Putin tossed him and his rabble out, and so Soros has leaned on his owned Politicians to go for some payback. Since Soros can’t buy Trump, he’s stuck out in the cold once Clinton and Obama pack it in. (Watch for flurries of activity from more faux ‘movements’ like BLM and petty Dimocrats as his money flows to lower level ranks. I think the DNC has too many wounds to lick right now to be taking marching orders from Soros. Once they decide “Money and lose” vs “The People and win” we’ll know what way they swing…)

    @John R:

    When watching the youtube, there is a space under the image that says “share” and you can choose either of two formats (one is ’embed’ useful for postings, the other just the link). Alternatively, you can just select and copy the url (that http_yada_yada on your browser address bar). In any case, simply paste the thing into your comment and it ought to show up. Do NOT have any text touching the link text, even a parenthesis, or it will not be activated as a link and folks will need to copy / paste into their browser instead of just click…

    IMHO the Democrats attract a much more emotionally driven group while the Republicans attract those who think first, without regard to how it makes them feel. Thus the Repubs are much more able to accept negative feelings as they are busy ‘working the issues’, while the Dems just wallow in the emotional sop and can’t see how to climb out of it. Going for the emotional hit instead of thinking through “We lost, lets figure out why and fix it.”

    One example: I know a ‘gay guy’ who quit his job because his boss came over and just asked him what he was doing at the moment and why… “How dare he…” now looking for new work… All emotive, no future seeing and little empathy for the roll of boss. I’ve had bosses I absolutely could not stand who were dumb as a bag of rocks and mean SOBs to boot. Just quietly “suck it up” and work on the resume and job hunt in the evenings… leaving on good terms and without letting on why… Now the odd thing is that both me and the gay guy are very smart cookies academically. It isn’t an I.Q. thing. It is what I think of as E.Q. Emotional Quotient.

    I’ve managed a LOT of “progressive” and “left wing” and “American Social Liberal” types. They are, generally, much more prone to wearing their emotions and attitudes on their sleeve. Yes, there are exceptions to that general trend, but give me 10 quite studious folks politely working to task and NOT sharing much private laundry, and I’ll show you at least 7 conservatives. (That may be biased by my Silicon Valley experience where being “outed” as a conservative is, er, not beneficial in many cases. See Hollywood where outed conservative actors often get fewer interesting role offers…)

    Heck, I’d get accused of being a conservative (sometimes with derision) despite having smoked MJ and slow dancing with a gay guy… (Hey, all the girls had run off to the bathroom together and I wanted to dance… and beer was involved… ) Then usually follows a discussion of being more Libertarian and being fiscally conservative, socially liberal… (In other words: I want the government to leave me the hell alone and stop taking my money… and don’t really care what you do as long as you don’t force it on me. After which both sides tend to dislike me ;-)

    The Progressives want to control the back of my pants (wallet) and the Conservatives want to control the front of my pants and I just want both of them OUT of my pants…

    At any rate, yeah, we’ve got 4 to 8 years of “terrible 2s” temper tantrums as they didn’t get their way… Perhaps we can suggest they go to the nearest medical MJ State and tank up…

  23. Jason Calley says:

    Hey Larry! “I would argue the even people who “do not believe in god” actually do, but their god is “logic” or “don’t be a sucker” or “live up to Mom’s expectations” etc.”

    I was having a conversation with a self-described atheist friend a few days ago. I asked him what I thought was a reasonable question. “You tell me you do not believe in a God. Can you describe exactly what sort of god it is that you do not believe in?” I thought he would describe the basic Judaeo-Christian Yahweh sort of entity, but instead he told me that he could not describe something that does not exist. My reply was “I don’t believe in unicorns, but I can describe one. They are sort of like a horse but have a single horn coming out of their forehead.” No go… He absolutely refused to describe what it was that he did not believe in.

    If any of you happen to be atheists, or happen to question an atheist, I would be interested in hearing what it is that they do not believe in.

  24. David A says:

    E.M. I would caution accepting the idea that classic Hinduism is not monotheistic. The book I loaned you “Vecic mathematics” concerning the US visit of what is essentially the Hindu Pope, has many passages that clarify this western misconception. Here is a similar line of thought from another Monastic of the Swami Order…,
    “The ancient Vedic scriptures declare that the physical world operates under one fundamental law of maya, the principle of relativity and duality. God, the Sole Life, is an Absolute Unity; He cannot appear as the separate and diverse manifestations of a creation except under a false or unreal veil. That cosmic illusion is maya. Every great scientific discovery of modern times has served as a confirmation of this simple pronouncement of the rishis.

    Newton’s Law of Motion is a law of maya: “To every action there is always an equal and contrary reaction; the mutual actions of any two bodies are always equal and oppositely directed.” Action and reaction are thus exactly equal. “To have a single force is impossible. There must be, and always is, a pair of forces equal and opposite.”

    Fundamental natural activities all betray their mayic origin. Electricity, for example, is a phenomenon of repulsion and attraction; its electrons and protons are electrical opposites. Another example: the atom or final particle of matter is, like the earth itself, a magnet with positive and negative poles. The entire phenomenal world is under the inexorable sway of polarity; no law of physics, chemistry, or any other science is ever found free from inherent opposite or contrasted principles.

    Physical science, then, cannot formulate laws outside of maya, the very texture and structure of creation. Nature herself is maya; natural science must perforce deal with her ineluctable quiddity. In her own domain, she is eternal and inexhaustible; future scientists can do no more than probe one aspect after another of her varied infinitude. Science thus remains in a perpetual flux, unable to reach finality; fit indeed to formulate the laws of an already existing and functioning cosmos, but powerless to detect the Law Framer and Sole Operator. The majestic manifestations of gravitation and electricity have become known, but what gravitation and electricity are, no mortal knoweth.3

    To surmount maya was the task assigned to the human race by the millennial prophets. To rise above the duality of creation and perceive the unity of the Creator was conceived of as man’s highest goal. Those who cling to the cosmic illusion must accept its essential law of polarity: flow and ebb, rise and fall, day and night, pleasure and pain, good and evil, birth and death. This cyclic pattern assumes a certain anguishing monotony, after man has gone through a few thousand human births; he begins to cast a hopeful eye beyond the compulsions of maya.

    To tear the veil of maya is to pierce the secret of creation. The yogi who thus denudes the universe is the only true monotheist. All others are worshiping heathen images. So long as man remains subject to the dualistic delusions of nature, the Janus-faced Maya is his goddess; he cannot know the one true God.

    The world illusion, maya, is individually called avidya, literally, “not-knowledge,” ignorance, delusion. Maya or avidya can never be destroyed through intellectual conviction or analysis, but solely through attaining the interior state of nirbikalpa samadhi. The Old Testament prophets, and seers of all lands and ages, spoke from that state of consciousness. Ezekiel says (43:1-2): “Afterwards he brought me to the gate, even the gate that looketh toward the east: and, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory.” Through the divine eye in the forehead (east), the yogi sails his consciousness into omnipresence, hearing the Word or Aum, divine sound of many waters or vibrations which is the sole reality of creation.

  25. David A says:

    Gail regarding the ten commandments you stated,
    “Communism/Socialism certainly violates the last one since it is entirely based on coveting thy neighbor’s house, servants, animals, and the rest of his wealth.
    I must say, they are not so good on the others…
    “Honor thy father and thy mother.”
    (destruction of the family and substituting the state appears to be, at a minimum, a primary affect of statist everywhere)

    “Thou shalt not kill.”
    ( Search Democide” a 100 plus years of brutal state sponsored murder)

    “Thou shalt not commit adultery”
    (Equating all social unions (Monogamy in gay marriages is very rare, and almost never a goal) to marriage between a man and a woman, the very foundation of a family and necessary for strong families is regulated to meaningless old fashioned religious folk.

    “Thou shalt not steal”
    T.J, “Government is a necessary evil” revenue by force is stealing, and necessary for government to survive.

    “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor”
    Hum, fake MSM news yes. In the Freitas videos it was clear the democrats know conservatives have a tendency to follow the rules, which they consider to be to their advantage as they have no such constraints.

    Gail, I am certain you could greatly increase this post. (-;

  26. David A says:

    regarding draining the swamp; FWIW, this from CFP…

    Total number of Personal Staff Members paid by Tax Payers
    Jackie Kennedy: One
    Lady Bird Johnson: One
    Pat Nixon: One
    Betty Ford: One
    Rosaline Carter: One
    Barbara Bush: One
    Hilary Clinton: Seven
    Laura Bush: One
    Michele Obama: Twenty-two
    Yep…..your eyes don’t deceive you. You want to read WASTE? …Scroll on down.

    Michele Obama’s personal staff: Take a closer look
    One.. $192,200 – Sher, Susan (Chief Of Staff)
    Two. $160,000 – Frye, Jocelyn C. (Director of Policy And Projects)
    Three..$133,000 – Rogers, Desiree G. (White House Social Secretary)
    Four.. $122,000 – Johnston, Camille Y. (Director of Communications)
    Five.. $120,000 – Winter, Melissa (Deputy Chief Of Staff)
    Six.. $110,000 – Medina , David S. (Deputy Chief Of Staff)
    Seven..$104,000 – Lilyveld, Catherine M. (Director and Press Secretary)
    Eight.. $95,000 – Starkey, Frances M. (Director of Scheduling and Advance)
    Nine.. $90,000 – Sanders, Trooper (Deputy Director of Policy and Projects)
    Ten.. $85,000 – Burnough, Erinn (Deputy Director and Deputy Social Secretary)
    Eleven..$84,000 – Reinstein, Joseph B. (Deputy Director and Deputy Social Secretary)
    Twelve..$82,000 – Goodman, Jennifer R. (Deputy Director of Scheduling and Events Coordinator)
    Thirteen..$80,000 – Fitz, Alan O. (Deputy Director of Advance and Trip Director)
    Fourteen..$77,500 – Lewis, Dana M. (Special Assistant and Personal Aide)
    Fifteen..$72,500 – Mustaphi, Semonti M. (Associate Director and Deputy Press Secretary)
    Sixteen..$70,000 – Jarvis, Kristen E. (Special Assistant for Scheduling and Traveling Aide)
    Seventeen..$65,000 – Lechtenberg, Tyler (Associate Director of Correspondence)
    Eighteen.. $63,000 – Tubman, Samantha A. (Deputy Associate Director, Social Office)
    Nineteen..$60,000 – Boswell, Joseph J. (Executive Assistant to the Chief Of Staff)
    Twenty.. $ 56,000 – Armbruster, Sally M. (Staff Assistant to the Social Secretary)
    Twenty-One…$55,000 – Bookey, Natalie (Staff Assistant)
    Twenty-Two…$55,000 – Jackson, Deilia A. (Deputy Associate Director of Correspondence)

    That’s a Total…$2,075,200 in annual salaries – all for someone we did not vote for and apparently have no control over 5 staff are Muslim and 13 African-American.
    There has NEVER been anyone in the White House at any time who has created such an army of staffers whose sole duties are the facilitation of the First Lady’s social life.
    This does not include:
    “Makeup artist” Ingrid Grimes-Miles, 49,
    “First Hairstylist” Johnny Wright, 31,
    Both of whom travelled aboard Air Force One on ALL Trips, Europe included.
    I also seem to recall they (We) had a pet trainer on retainer, to the tune of $105,000.00 per year.

    As of 11/15/2015 the Obama Family has spent over $1,300,000,000Â (one billion, three hundred million dollars) on personal family trips. They were personal, not political or Government related.

    How things have changed! If you’re one of the tens of millions of Americans facing certain destitution, earning less than subsistence wages stocking the shelves at Walmart or serving up McDonald cheeseburgers, prepare to scream and then come to realize that the benefit package for these servants of “Ms. Michelle” are the same as members of the national security and defense departments and the bill for these assorted lackeys is paid by YOU.
    Copyright Canada Free Press
    Yes……The Canadian Free Press had to publish this, perhaps because America no longer has a free press and the USA media is afraid that they might be considered racist.

  27. John F. Hultquist says:

    “… suggest they go to the nearest medical MJ State and tank up…”

    Please do not mention Washington State when you make this suggestion.
    We are working on a bridge from Oregon to Canada. WA has too many that are already tanked up.
    Washington is declared a ‘Hate Free Zone’ by Gov. Inslee and Democratic politicians


    Inslee proposes carbon tax to raise money for schools

    Now the irony of this is thatI hate stealth taxes. WA used to add a tax to auto licences and a yearly couple hundred dollars went … well, it was hard to know where those $$ went. With some digging it was found that much of it went to schools.
    So, some argued that if you want to raise tax money for schools, say so and defend it. The base auto tag dropped to $35 and change. Now they have added a few extra $ to that. Still just covering costs. Okay.
    Now, a new stealth (hateful) carbon-tax is proposed — to fund schools. The “Dims” are all into the carbon (sic) will doom us bit and hope the “this is for the kids” logo on the bill will make people like it. Because they don’t want us to say “hate” we will have to copy Ric Werme’s code” H8.

    Merry Christmas to all!

  28. M Simon says:

    What if the Russians did it? Our power grid is at risk.

    Maybe not the Russians – How about Al-Qaeda?

    Al-Qaeda has explored the critical infrastructure in the U.S., such as electric power, telephone communications, and water supplies in search of vulnerabilities to carry out “electronic jihad,” or cyberterrorism, warns the the House Task Force to Investigate Terrorism Financing.

  29. gallopingcamel says:

    @David A,
    Much of what you quote is fake news. I tried to verify that $1.3 billion cost of Obama family vacations. The real figure is probably much less. Maybe we will never know the correct number but here is a piece about his visits to Hawaii:

    Why should taxpayers pay a single dime for presidential vacations?

  30. David A Anderson says:

    Thanks gallopingcamel, should have put the Canadian Free Press. Comments in quotes. I did say FWIW, although I am a bit surprised CFP would get it so wrong

  31. Gail Combs says:

    First Galloping Camel, Sorry I thought I had mentioned the Juedeo-Christian religions, I usually do.
    JP Miller says: “Gail, you make a case for the need for religion to provide the moral/ ethical mandates needed for a civil and just society…..”

    Stefan Molyneux had at one time thought as you do. However he changed his mind after watching the result of moving away from Christianity. (I think it is this video: )

    I am sorry, but I am not a ‘linear thinker’ so this is going to have several ‘branches’.

    First The Human Need FOR Religion
    (Others have also covered it but I will add this)
    From what I can see, humans need something to believe in. Whether it is religion or philosophy or a CAUSE, something to give meaning to their lives. Few do well as entirely rational beings. (Remember that 50% have an IQ BELOW 100.) Worse, without an organized religion it is easy for something else to crawl in to take it’s place.

    Why Study Religion?

    Religion has always been with us. Throughout history, it has expressed the deepest questions human beings can ask, and it has taken a central place in the lives of virtually all civilizations and cultures. As we think all the way back to the dawn of human consciousness, we find religion everywhere we turn.
    This may be true of the past, but what about the present—and the future? In recent times, critics have suggested that religion is on the way out. Technology and science have changed our view of the world radically, leading some to say that we’ve entered a new stage of human existence, without religion. Soon, they argue, it will truly be a thing of the past.
    In our day and age, rumors of religion’s demise seem very premature—and perhaps there’s no grain of truth in them at all. Religion persists and is often on the rise, even as scientific and non-religious perspectives have become prominent….

    University of Iowa:Why Should I Study Religion?

    Studying religion gives you the opportunity to explore some of the deepest and most significant ideas and values that have emerged in human history.
    Religion has been one of the most persistent forces in the history of humanity.
    With the rise of science, some think that religion is outdated, but it continues to exert its influence in profound ways throughout the world today. Think, for example, of the ongoing tensions in the Middle East, the debates over evolution, questions about abortion and the death penalty; how people think about these controversial issues reflects their religious convictions.
    Religion asks the deepest, most important questions about human existence.
    Where do we come from? Why are we here? What happens to us after we die? Why do people suffer? How should we act? How can we live good lives? How can we understand people with beliefs that conflict with our own? What is the ultimate meaning of life? Different religions provide a variety of answers to these questions. The study of religion gives you the opportunity to explore the range of answers to these profound questions, and allows you to consider your own beliefs and values….
    Religion affects all aspects of human existence.
    It is difficult to study history, anthropology, sociology, political science, literature, music, art, theater, psychology, education, or economics without understanding how religious views and ideals function in culture…

    What none of these bring up is if you do not have training in Religion you should have training in Philosophy or at least in Civics. This lack of training in Religion or Philosophy or even Civics is DELIBERATE.

    EXAMPLE #1

    Study Theology, Even If You Don’t Believe in God
    “This lost liberal art encourages scholars to understand history from the inside out.”

    When I first told my mother—a liberal, secular New Yorker—that I wanted to cross an ocean to study for a bachelor’s degree in theology, she was equal parts aghast and concerned….

    Her view of the study of theology is far from uncommon. While elite universities like Harvard and Yale offer vocational courses at their divinity schools, and nearly all universities offer undergraduate majors in the comparative study of religions, few schools (with the exceptions of historically Catholic institutions like Georgetown and Boston College) offer theology as a major, let alone mandate courses in theology alongside other “core” liberal arts subjects like English or history. Indeed, the study of theology has often run afoul of the legal separation of church and state. Thirty-seven U.S. states have laws limiting the spending of public funds on religious training. In 2006, the Supreme Court case Locke v. Davey upheld the decision of a Washington State scholarship program to withhold promised funding from an otherwise qualified student after learning that he had decided to major in theology at a local Bible College.

    Even in the United Kingdom, where secular bachelor’s programs in theology are more common, prominent New Atheists like Richard Dawkins have questioned their validity in the university sphere. In a 2007 letter to the editor of The Independent, Dawkins argues for the abolishment of theology in academia…
    As Oxford’s Dr. William Wood, a University Lecturer in Philosophical Theology and my former tutor, puts it: “theology is the closest thing we have at the moment to the kind of general study of all aspects of human culture that was once very common, but is now quite rare.” A good theologian, he says, “has to be a historian, a philosopher, a linguist, a skillful interpreter of texts both ancient and modern, and probably many other things besides.” In many ways, a course in theology is an ideal synthesis of all other liberal arts: no longer, perhaps, “Queen of the Sciences,” but at least, as Wood terms it, “Queen of the Humanities.”…

    EXAMPLE #2

    This wiki leak shows ‘DELIBERATE’
    First who is Bill Ivey who wrote the email?
    Bill Ivey of Global Cultural Strategies
    “…Cultural Policy shapes and directs the Expressive Life of societies through the framework of law, regulation, and customary practice that governs the creation, distribution, consumption, and preservation of knowledge, information, and art.
    All societies have cultural policy.
    The United States has neither a cultural ministry nor department of cultural affairs…..”


    ….From 1998 through 2001 Ivey served in the Clinton-Gore administration as Senate-confirmed chairman of the National Endowment for the Arts, and in that capacity is credited with both increasing the agency’s budget and restoring good relations between the NEA and Capitol Hill.
    Bill Ivey is a trustee of the Center for American Progress, and was a Team Leader in the Barack Obama presidential transition….
    Ivey has extensive experience in the music industry. He was director of Nashville’s Country Music Hall of Fame and Museum for more than two decades, and was twice elected chairman of the National Academy of Recording Arts & Sciences. He is a four-time Grammy Award nominee. He is past president of the American Folklore Society, and today serves the Society as Senior Advisor for China.

    Bill Ivey to John Podesta

    From:bi@globalculturalstrategies… [Bill Ivey]
    To: john.podesta@….
    Date: 2016-03-13 17:06
    Subject: From Bill Ivey

    Well, we all thought the big problem for our US democracy was Citizens United/Koch Brothers big money in politics….
    I’m certain the poll-directed insiders are sure things will default to policy as soon as the conventions are over, but I think not. And as I’ve mentioned, we’ve all been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry. The unawareness remains strong but compliance is obviously fading rapidly. This problem demands some serious, serious thinking – and not just poll driven, demographically-inspired messaging.….

    I fear we are all now trying to navigate a set of forces that cannot be simply explained or fully understood, so it is and will reamin interesting! Sent with a handshake, Bill

    “Our US democracy”??? Seems Ivey, unlike our Founding Fathers wants a ‘democracy’ of easily manipulated ‘unaware and compliant citizens’… Didn’t Joseph Stalin say something about that?
    “It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.”


  32. Gail Combs says:

    Filling the Vacuum Left by the ‘removal’ of Christianity

    The Holy Roman Empire lasted a 1000 years with it’s combination of the Church and Kings. Then came the ‘Revolutions.’ I am of the opinion that the Elite, the European Royal Houses, the Central Bankers and the Merchant Princes want a return to feudalism and complete control by them. So was Karl Marx and his philosophy about helping the ‘down-trodden’ or was it really about re-enslaving the middle class that had finally escaped serfdom? My comment on the Karl Marx so I do not have to repeat the entire history.

    You can roughly split Marxism into:
    Communism — Transition to total Marxism via violent revolution.
    Fabian Socialism — Transition to total Marxism/Socialism gradually by stealth although they have no problem cooperating with the Communists.

    With the failure of the Soviet Union and other Communist states, we are now dealing mainly with Fabian Socialism and its off shoots.

    The Fabian Society.
    “Founded in 1884 by Beatrice and Sidney Webb, George Bernard Shaw and H.G. Wells as a group promoting non-Marxist evolutionary socialism.”
    The Society says of it’s self:

    The Fabian Society is Britain’s oldest political think tank. Founded in 1884, the Society is at the forefront of developing political ideas and public policy on the left.
    What we stand for

    We aim to promote:

    greater equality of power, wealth and opportunity
    the value of collective action and public service
    an accountable, tolerant and active democracy
    citizenship, liberty and human rights
    sustainable development
    multilateral international cooperation

    Currently, we aim to promote these objectives through six central projects:

    Facing the Future – re-imagining Labour’s purpose, modernising Labour’s organisation, and winning public trust
    Shared prosperity – sustainable growth, responsible business and answers to inequality
    Changing work – progressive ideas for the future world of work
    Britain’s future – identity, constitution and the UK’s place in the world
    Together – public services, communities and collective endeavour
    Green lives – the environment and citizens

    So we find the Fabians all for the new ‘Gaia Religion’ which includes believe in Global Warming and ‘evil’ mankind’s destruction of the environment.

    The reason I bring up the Fabian Society is because they founded the London School of Economics.
    The Fabian Society formed in 1884. By 1885, the Fabians had already put the slogan “Educate, Agitate, Organise” in circulation.

    In 1889, they had declared the aim of Fabian educational reform as entailing the creation of a Minister for Education in the UK. (Shaw, “Educational Reform,” 1889). Sidney Webb reorganized the University of London into a federation of teaching institutions and with Robert Morant provided the blueprint for the Education Acts of 1902 and 1903, which set the pattern of English public educations for generations to come.

    The London School of Economics (LSE) was funded by the likes of Lord Rothschild (Webb, pp. 182, 214). Sir Evelyn Robert Adrian de Rothschild was the third Governor of the London School of Economics Sir Evelyn is currently Chairman of E.L. Rothschild, a private investment company.  Sir Evelyn currently serves as a Governor Emeritus of the London School of Economics. link plus Britannica-com

    Since June 2002, Lady de Rothschild has been the Chief Executive of E.L. Rothschild LLC. She has been a director of The Estee Lauder Companies since December 2000, and member of the Audit Committee for The Economist Newspaper since October 2002. In August of 2016 Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild throws Hillary fundraiser Anthony Giddens, former director of the LSE, was the creator of the ‘Third Way’ the new name for Fascism. Both Tony Blair (who unveiled the Fabian Window at LSE in 2005) and Bill Clinton are major supporters of the Third Way. Tony Blair was chair of the Fabian Society before he became British Prime Minister but that has been wiped from the net. LSE now trains most of the top business and banking leaders in the world. George Soros and David Rockefeller went to LSE for example as did Kennedy.

    In the USA we have the founding member of the American Fabian Society John Dewey completely restructuring US education.

    Dumbing Down America
    by Dr. Samuel Blumenfeld

    ….John Dewey who is usually characterized as the father of progressive education. Yet the change of the teaching of reading is probably Dewey’s greatest contribution to the tranformation of American education from an academically oriented process to a social one.

    The progressives were a new breed of educator that came on the scene around the turn of the century. These rejected the religion of the Bible and placed their new faith in science, evolution and psychology. Indeed, men like G. Stanley Hall, James McKeen Cattell, Charles Judd, James Earl Russell traveled to Germany to study the new psychology under Prof. Wilhelm Wundt at the University of Leipzig. It was these men who later imposed the new psychology on American education and transformed it permanently from its academic function to one dedicated to behavioral change

    In 1894, Dewey was appointed head of the department of philosophy, psychology and education at the University of Chicago which had been established two years earlier by a gift from John D. Rockefeller. In 1896, Dewey created his famous experimental Laboratory School where he could test the effects of the new psychology on real live children.

    ….the purpose of the school was to show how education could be changed to produce little socialists and collectivists instead of little capitalists and individualists. It was expected that these little socialists, when they became voting adults, would dutifully change the American economic system into a socialist one.

    In order to do so he analyzed the traditional curriculum that sustained the capitalist, individualistic system and found what he believed was the sustaining linchpin — that is, the key element that held the entire system together: high literacy. To Dewey, the greatest obstacle to socialism was the private mind that seeks knowledge in order to exercise its own private judgment and intellectual authority. High literacy gave the individual the means to seek knowledge independently. It gave individuals the means to stand on their own two feet and think for themselves. This was detrimental to the “social spirit” needed to bring about a collectivist society….

    What else was John D. Rockefeller up to besides trashing the US Educational System?
    The Hand that Rocked the Cradle: A Critical Analysis of Rockefeller Philanthropic Funding, 1920-1960

    All those ‘innovate’ new child rearing practices that left us with a bunch of two year old brats in adult bodies.

  33. Gail Combs says:

    So in closing, I am supporting the Juedeo-Christian religions because

    1. It has shown it’s self to produce a reasonable civilization for over two thousand years.

    2. With the deliberate removal of the Juedeo-Christian religions, it has allowed the ‘Gaia Religion’ and Islam to take root, both instruments of the enemies of a free society.

    If the Juedeo-Christian religions were replaced by honest philosophy, or any of the religions E.M. discussed I would have no problem. However that is not what is happening and what IS happening is in reality an act of t r e a s o n against the USA.

  34. Gail Combs says:

    … Our power grid is at risk….

    Assault on California Power Station Raises Alarm on Potential for Terrorism
    April [3013] Sniper Attack Knocked Out Substation, Raises Concern for Country’s Power Grid

    … It is an incident of which few Americans are aware. But one former federal regulator is calling it a terrorist act that, if it were widely replicated across the country, could take down the U.S. electric grid and black out much of the country.

    The attack was “the most significant incident of domestic terrorism involving the grid that has ever occurred” in the U.S., said Jon Wellinghoff, who was chairman of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission at the time….

    Substation attack is new evidence of grid vulnerability

    Energywire: Thursday, October 6, 2016

    With just a few shots from a high-powered rifle, an unknown gunman knocked out an electric power substation in rural south-central Utah last month, cutting off electricity to 13,000 customers for a day and forcing the utility to wait at least six months until the station’s disabled transformer is repaired or replaced.

    The midday attack on Sept. 25 hit the Garkane Energy Cooperative Inc.’s Buckskin substation between Kanab, Utah, and Page, Ariz., serving communities near the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument. The gunshots penetrated the oil-cooled radiator unit for the transformer, which then overheated and failed.

    The big problem is these transformers are not an ‘off the shelf’ item. Too many go down and you have major problems.

    Wiping out the electrical grid (plus sensitive electronics) will KILL 90% of the US Population according to this report. SUBCOMMITTEE ON CYBERSECURITY, INFRASTRUCTURE PROTECTION, AND SECURITY TECHNOLOGIES Dr. Peter Vincent Pry is the executive director of the Task Force on National and Homeland Security.

    In 2013 WUWT discussed what happens when there is no fossil fuels. Without electricity to run the refineries or pumps you get something similar if enough substations are taken out.
    Life After Energy: What if fossil fuels disappeared tomorrow?

    …….Within 24 hours there would be long lines at service stations as people sought to purchase remaining stocks of gasoline. The same people who denounce oil companies would be desperately scrounging the last drops of available fuel for their SUVs. By the third day, all the gasoline would be gone.

    With no diesel fuel, the trucking industry would grind to a halt. Almost all retail goods in the US are delivered by trucks. Grocery shelves would begin to empty. Food production at the most basic levels would also stop.…

    With no trains or trucks running there would be no way to deliver either raw materials or finished products. All industrial production and manufacturing would stop……

  35. Graeme No.3 says:

    Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all.
    May this coming year trump the AGW doctrine.

  36. Gail Combs says:

    Politico: Clinton Team Was In Contact With Electors Seeking To Block Trump

    While former Clinton spokesperson Brian Fallon called this a shoddy coup attempt, it appears as if the Hillary team was in contact with the Electoral College effort to block Donald Trump …

    There was radio silence on the subject among the Clinton camp, but Politico has obtained emails that show top aides Jake Sullivan and Jennifer Palmieri in contact with those who called themselves Hamilton Electors.

    …a batch of correspondence obtained by POLITICO shows members of Clinton’s inner circle — including senior aides Jake Sullivan and Jennifer Palmieri — were in touch for weeks with one of the effort’s organizers as they mounted their ill-fated strategy. And despite repeated requests for guidance, Clinton’s team did not wave them off.

    Call logs, emails and text messages reveal a Clinton campaign walking a tightrope — never fully endorsing the effort, but intentionally declining to stamp it out. The approach was comparable, one former campaign official said, to the campaign’s passive-but-not-dismissive response to long-shot recounts in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

  37. Gail Combs says:

    Christmas Greetings from Putin to Trump

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has a Christmas message for his “Christian brothers and sisters” around the world:

    AND in return Obummer screws Israel
    The Little Jewish Village That Makes Obama Boil
    Posted by Daniel Greenfield

    According to some anonymous official, the plan to build houses for the evacuees in Shiloh is “of great concern” to the White House. Anyone wondering why Obama isn’t concerned about ISIS or the economy had better realize that his eye is firmly fixed on a small town in Israel up against the bulldozer.

    And Obama’s determined to see to it that the bulldozer wins…..

    The Obama administration on Friday allowed the U.N. Security Council to adopt a resolution demanding an end to Israeli settlements…

    The U.S. decision to abstain was a relatively rare step by Washington, which usually shields Israel from such action.

    The U.S. abstention was seen as a parting shot by U.S. President Barack Obama, who has had an acrimonious relationship with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and who has made settlements a major target of peace efforts that have proven ultimately futile.

    The resolution demanded that Israel “immediately and completely cease all settlement activities in the occupied Palestinian territory, including East Jerusalem” and said the establishment of settlements by Israel has “no legal validity and constitutes a flagrant violation under international law.”

    Israel is NOT taking it sitting down.

    Prime Minister’s Office —
    Israel rejects the shameful anti-Israel resolution at the UN and will not abide by its termns. At a time when the Security Council does nothing to stop the slaughter of half a million people in Syria, it disgracefully gangs up on the one true democracy in teh Middle East, Israel and calls the Western wall “occupied territory. The Obama administration not only failed to protect Israel against this gang-up at the UN, it colluded with it behind the scenes. Israel looks forward to working with President-elect Trump and with aa our friends in Congress, Republicans and Democrats alike, to negate the harmful effects of this absurd resolution.

    Oh and then Obummer the b@stard rubs in the insult by having f..king photo op with a little girl lighting the Menorah.

    Obama Wishes Jews ‘Happy Hanukkah’ — as He Stabs Israel at UN

    …he holiday (also transliterated as “Chanukah”) commemorates the successful revolt of the Jewish community of ancient Israel against the Seleucid dynasty in 165 B.C., led by the Maccabees.

    It is among the most nationalistic holidays in the Jewish calendar, turning Obama’s greeting into something of an ironic insult….

  38. E.M.Smith says:


    Don’t Panic! (To quote “Hitchhikers Guide To the Galaxy” ) The Grid is not going to be done in by a rifle or two.

    Yeah, you can inconvenience a few folks, but not many and not for long.

    FWIW, I’ve brought up whole data centers when the power was out. It just didn’t arrive on time, so we ordered up some portable Diesel units and ran the data center on (was it 3 or 4 of them?) several for about 2 weeks until PG&E could get things connected.

    In a Real Disaster ™ those units would be at refineries and places that pump Diesel, then you build back out from there. There is a HUGE amount of emergency / standby power available….

    A couple of examples:

    My local shopping mall has a Diesel Standby generator for the whole complex. It is connected to the natural gas lines, so only needs a trivial Diesel supply (as a spark plug sort of) to run for weeks on natural gas.

    Sun Microsystems Newark campus (for which I did the networks ;-) has natural gas standby generators (micro-turbines I think…) and will be running during any failure of Diesel and Electricity.

    My kids High School has a 30 kW Capstone Microturbine (natural gas) that uses the waste heat to keep the swimming pool warm. But routing the pool heater through it, they get 30 kW “free” electricity. In any emergency, they can run 30 kW worth of ‘stuff’…

    Adobe in downtown San Jose has a large Diesel standby generator under their building (in the parking garage… I pointed out the risk…) that I think is also nat-gas connected as co-fuel. Fairly typical ‘about 2 weeks’ capacity before they need a Diesel top-up.

    Those are just a couple that I personally know of. There are many many more.

    Now the question of Diesel will be raised: Well, there’s a whole lot of it in giant storage tanks at the local refineries. If not used to power all sorts of long haul trucks, what is already there can keep electricity at an emergency level running for months. Plenty of time to have large backup gensets hauled in to keep the refinery running (IF it doesn’t already have them installed…. I’d have a refinery run off of electricity it made itself from ‘waste products’ were I designing things…)

    Oh, and that ignores all the “folks like me” with our own standby power systems…

    Yes, taking out a large part of the giant transformers (probably at least 1/2 to 3/4) would be a Royal PITA, but not the end of life as we know it. Pull one Diesel Electric locomotive up to a refinery and you have a LOT of electricity available to keep the place running… Similarly nuclear subs and aircraft carriers. There are lots of folks who can, if given the green light, make replacement parts Very Very Fast. Just wave a bunch of the crap… and accept that 90% efficiency is OK and 95% is not needed.

    Then from each island of power, civilization will “build out” and reconnect.

    In short, don’t underestimate the tankage of a fleet of long haul Diesel trucks and trains from Canada and Mexico nor the total mW of power in standby systems… Yes, we would need to ‘do without’ our nightly TV and All Electric Kitchen. So? I’ve lived, comfortably, with a 7 W CFL bulb, a AA battery radio, and a camping stove. My car can let me run my house in modest comfort for about 2 months just on the fuel in it right now (NOT full…) at that level of services. Yeah, I’d have to ‘bundle up’ with The Honey under double the blankets at night… This is bad how? ;-)

    After that, I might need to start eying the tree in the back yard, or maybe even more the redwoods that my neighbor wanted to take out but the Coastal Redwood Commission refused (and are wrecking my fence… and his yard…) That would keep both of us warm and dinner cooked for about 2 years… I figure by then we’d have some of the grid fixed…

  39. Larry Ledwick says:

    The estimate I have seen is approximately 10% of the grid load is available as emergency standby power of various kinds. As you mentioned if folks were not driving into work a various non-critical jobs (florist, movie theater, suntan parlor, etc.) you could harvest the fuel in their fuel tanks. The saddle tanks on locomotives is 5000 gallons.

    Although lots of businesses have emergency generators a significant fraction of them only have fuel for a few days, assuming emergencies will be resolved in 24-48 hours in most cases. Also you will run into maintenance issues on those gen sets if run continuously without normal support services.

    The redundancy of our systems is higher than folks tend to think but not unlimited and there will always be cases of poor choices in allocation, poor maintenance, etc.

    Folks recently have in many locations graduated to natural gas fueled systems but anyone intent on causing havoc would undoubtedly attempt to take down key pumping stations and major pipe lines for that very reason.

    Some would hardly notice (those who regularly go camping or did in their youth), but a significant fraction of the inner city types would be totally lost without services which the assume will always be there or only periodically unavailable for short intervals.

    Like you E.M. I have two emergency backup generators (both gasoline powered) and the inherent generation capacity of my cars via use of DC – AC inverters. As long as some local official did not get in the way, I am sure that through careful use of shared power generation capacity a critical infrastructure could be maintained in many neighborhoods.

    Someone with a chest type freezer in the garage offers to store other peoples frozen food in exchange for a couple gallons of fuel for the generator and some motor oil now and then.

    Inner city high rise residents would not fair so well but suburban and rural folks would shift fairly seamlessly to doing what is needed to get by.

    The biggest problems will be safe water, safe sewage disposal and disease control. Then after that food supply, as most folks will have bare cupboards in a week in the inner city, and a month in the suburbs. Folks won’t want to go back to out houses but some of the older folks will help them figure out how they did it years ago. Not to mention the folks who think corn comes from a can, and have no idea how to process foods from garden to dinner table.

  40. E.M.Smith says:


    Yeah, the folks in the multistory highrise urban stuff are the ones that would be in a bit of a panic. 40 story walkup? Uh, right… Also a bit hard to dig a trench latrine in the balcony… Why I don’t and won’t live there… (among many other reasons…)

    BTW, do note the ‘scenario in question’ wasn’t a continent wide EMP, but folks shooting at transformers. It would take a modest army shooting at transformers to take out enough of them to matter…

    @Another Ian:

    Interesting POV in the article. Seems ‘odd’ from an American POV. Virtually nobody noticed the boxing in of the Governor, for example. (IMHO, the more we can prevent any government agents from doing things the better off we all will be… ) The notion that somehow Trump will turn the USA into a despotic wasteland also ignores that we’ve suffered through 8 years of Obama trying to do that, and survived. It will take Trump a couple of years just to undo the worst of that… So no, the USA is not going to collapse. Just wheeze and cough and trudge along like we always do…

  41. p.g.sharrow says:

    Twas the night before Christmas and all through the pad, not a critter was stirring, not even Old Dad. etc:
    Many others; Marry Christmas…pg

  42. LG says:

    A seven-point memo to PeOTUS DJT from a former CIA spy.

    “#1 You are not only an accidental president, you are a fringe president. ”
    “#2 You cannot govern responsibly as long as our electoral system is corrupt.”
    “#3 The media purveys fake news. ”
    “#4 Ike Eisenhower was the last president to have a grand strategy – you need one. ”
    “#5 Eliminate All Taxes Less the Fractional Tax on All Transactions. ”
    “#6 You are surrounded by traitors – financial, ideological, and religious.”
    “#7 You are being set up by Wall Street – a financial melt-down looms.”

    “And now, a word for the 73% of eligible voters who did not vote for Donald Trump.
    First, please join me in praising the Lord for our accidental president. Accidental and fringe he may be, but he was elected legitimately within a severely flawed system and his greatest attribute – one we should treasure – is that he is “unshackled.” He was elected against the opposition of the two-party tyranny that fronts for Wall Street and the various complexes; he was elected without taking substantial funds from any major donors including Sheldon Adelson and the Koch Brothers; and he was elected without the aid of the wide variety of lobbying firms that spent over a billion dollars for what they thought was a “sure thing” – the election of the most flawed candidate ever to be put before the American public.
    Third, and this is really important, please consider the very real prospect of the Republican Party imploding between now and 2018 just as the Democratic Party has imploded. The next batch of leaked emails could be focused on Scott Walker, Reince Priebus, and the Republican National Committee (RNC). There are six accredited national political parties that have been blocked from ballot access, with the Libertarian being the largest followed by the Greens. Emerging parties such as Working Families are easily kept from growing, and Independents – solitary individuals by nature, have virtually no prospect of electoral relevance as the system is now structured – rigged twelve different ways. What this means is that the 47% who chose not to vote – and the 13% that wanted Bernie Sanders – as well as the roughly 13% like myself who are totally disgusted with the Republican Party and its lack of intelligence with integrity – could form a critical mass of 73%.

  43. Gail Combs says:

    E.M. “Don’t Panic! (To quote “Hitchhikers Guide To the Galaxy” ) The Grid is not going to be done in by a rifle or two.”

    I must not have made myself clear. It is not a few random ‘lone-wolf’ attacks I am worried about but a country wide coordinated attack. With Trump in office I expected all He11 to break loose.

    Add these in:
    1. July 2015 Pam Geller: Saudi Prince Pledges $32 Billion to Promote Islam/Sharia in America “.. Saudis have spent billions already. 80% of the mosques build in America are Saudi funded. Islamic groups working to impose the sharia are largely funded by the Saudis.” Remember?? — 9/11 had Saudi footprints all over it. So you have Saudi Arabia not only funding Mosques but SUPPLYING clerics. (Lost link) WikiLeaks also shows Hillary KNEW Saudi Arabia and Quatar are funding ISIS.

    2. Juditcal Watch: Cartels Help Terrorists in Mexico Get to U.S. to Explore Targets; ISIS Militant Shaykh Mahmood Omar Khabir Among Them
    FBI: 7,700 Terrorist Encounters in USA Last Year: The jihad is crossing the southern border, a majority of encounters in Arizona were with Islamist groups.
    Inspector General: Thousands Of Green Cards ‘Missing’ Could Be Used For Terrorists Entering Country

    3. Obama stuffed his Admin. with muslims who derailed any investigation of muslims, mosques or terrorists. They ORDERED Phil Haney to DUMP all his work tracing terrorists.
    Exclusive-DHS Whistleblower Philip Haney: P.C. Killed Investigation That Might Have Stopped San Bernardino Attack
    DHS Whistleblower Philip Haney: ‘Self-Radicalization’ Is a Myth
    CONTINUED (so I don’t trip URL counter)

  44. Gail Combs says:

    4. Here Are the 190 US Cities Obama Selected to Dump Muslim “Refugees”

    ISIS has already targeted the electric grid:
    ISIS is attacking the U.S. energy grid (and failing)

    The Islamic State is trying to hack American electrical power companies — but they are terrible at it.
    U.S. law enforcement officials revealed the hack attempts on Wednesday….

    September 7, 2016 Islamic State makes terrorism threat facing U.S. gravest since 9/11 attacks

    The terrorist threat facing the U.S. and its European allies is “bigger, wider and deeper” than at any point since the Sept. 11 attacks 15 years ago, the White House’s top counterterrorism official said in a grim review of global threats…
    While al Qaeda has planted individual operatives inside the U.S. to plan, coordinate and launch attacks, those sleeper cells still maintained “definite linkages” to the group’s chain of command…

    And Obummers Christmas Present for Americans:
    Thursday, December 22, 2016 Obama’s team cancels Muslim registry to foil Trump’s ‘extreme vetting’ plans

    The Obama administration rushed Thursday to cancel a program set up in the wake of Sept. 11 to track and deport illegal immigrant Muslim and Arab men, hoping to hinder President-elect Donald Trump’s plans…
    The National Security Entry-Exit Registration System had been dormant for years, but activists demanded that the Obama administration take it off the books entirely. They feared Mr. Trump could use the program as a shortcut to starting his own vetting.

    “Keeping NSEERS out of Trump’s hands was the right thing to do,” said David Leopold…

    When the program was operational, it required border officers to manually collect information from visitors. The Homeland Security Department says it now has automated systems that collect better information, making the program outdated as well as inefficient.

    “DHS has determined that the NSEERS model for border vetting and security, which focused on designated nationalities for special processing, is outmoded,” Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson said Thursday in his official submission to cancel the program.

    He said the program, which was fully suspended in 2011, would be taken off the books immediately….

  45. Gail Combs says:

    LG says:
    24 December 2016 at 6:59 pm

    A seven-point memo to PeOTUS DJT from a former CIA spy.

    “#1 You are not only an accidental president, you are a fringe president. ”
    No he is not. Trump is the result of the growing ‘tea party’ type movement that wants less government and less taxes and no wars. in 2010, according to Rasmussen, 1/3 of voters supported the Tea Party and 1/3 supported the Republicans.

    “#2 You cannot govern responsibly as long as our electoral system is corrupt.”
    We know it is corrupt. Trump has continually said the system is rigged. That is why it was necessary to drag friends and family to the poles to vote. With republican control of House, Senate, Governors and State Legislatures and the ‘Cold Anger’ of ordinary citizens we have a change of getting changes to the system to unrigg it.

    “#3 The media purveys fake news. ”
    No Sh1t!

    “#4 Ike Eisenhower was the last president to have a grand strategy – you need one. ”
    If you do not think Trump has a strategy you are nuts. He has been planning this move for two decades and has laid out some of his plans for voters. HOWEVER he is a businessman and knows when to keep his mouth shut.

    “#5 Eliminate All Taxes Less the Fractional Tax on All Transactions. ”
    Trump has a tax plan.

    “#6 You are surrounded by traitors – financial, ideological, and religious.”
    We are well aware of that and so is Trump. He has PRIVATE guards as well as SS.

    “#7 You are being set up by Wall Street – a financial melt-down looms.”
    Again Trump and the rest of us are well aware of that. However Wall Street (stock market) is NOT the same as Main Street. Get rid of regs and Main Street will take off. Already over 50% of jobs are created by small business.

  46. Gail Combs says:

    Possibly the Federal Reserve could be reined in by the Treasury/President to prevent them from sabotaging the economy. The Accord, giving the FED freedom to do as they please is ONLY an Agreement between the Treasury and the Federal reserve. This phrase from the Federal Reserve alone shows they reneged on their part of the deal.

    “Monetary policymakers began focusing actively on bank reserves and the control of money creation in order to stabilize the purchasing power of the dollar.”

    Bank reserves are essentially zero because they reserves = necessary cash on hand.
    ****US Banks Operating Without Reserve Requirements*****

    The Fed has NOT controlled money creation. Instead they have been ‘running the printing press’ as fast as they can.
    (This explains what M1 and M2 are)

    The following data is from the old stlouisfed(DOT)org site. The new site does not show the huge leap in the M2 supply that the old site did. Now December 2008 = 8,166.6 Billion and December 2009 = 8,471.0 Billion. The doubling has disappeared in both M2 and M3 has been disappeared completely.

    GEE, it reminds me of ClimAstrology. I thought accountants were not allowed to do that!

    Date…..$ /oz gold.. Money supply (M2)….min. wage.
    1959 …….35.25 ………..50.1 billion………$1.00
    1974 ……195.20………..101 billion………..$2.00.
    1976 ……124.74 ……….. $113 billion…….$2.30.
    1985 …..354.20 ………..$205 billion……..$3.35.
    1994 …..409.80……….. $ 406 billion…….$4.25.
    2006 …..636.30 ………..$808 billion……..$5.15
    2008 …..880.30……….. $831 billion……..$5.85
    2009…1,020.28………..$1663 billion……..$6.55

    ************************A PRIMER ON MONEY******************************
    ***************COMMITTEE ON BANKING AND CURRENCY************
    ********************HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES***********************
    ********************WRIGHT PATMAN Chairman 1964********************

    Click to access patman-primer-on-money.pdf


    Click to access Patman_Primer_on_Money.pdf

    Do bankers believe that they own the Federal Reserve banks.
    100% of the “stock” is owned by the private banks.

    In mid-August of 1950, however, the Federal Reserve raised the discount rate and short-term Treasury bills jumped toward 11/2 percent, although there were requests from the Secretary of the Treasury and the President for the System to continue a low-rate policy. It was later revealed by testimony of some of the Federal Reserve officials to committees of Congress that the Open Market Committee had held a meeting on August 18 and decided not only to raise the discount rate, but to “go their own way” on the Government longer term bond rate as well, despite what the President, the Secretary of the Treasury, and the head of the Office of Defense Mobilization might do”….Therefore the Federal Reserve is not answerable to the President or Congress or the electorate, nor even to a government audit or even Congressional funding!….

    Since the signing of the so-called accord, in March of 1951, this event has been widely interpreted as an understanding, reached between the Treasury and the Federal Reserve, that the Federal Reserve would henceforth be “independent.” It would no longer ” peg Government bond prices. It would raise or lower interest rates as it might see fit, as a means of trying to prevent inflation or deflation. These are understandings which have been grafted onto the accord over the years. Certainly, no such understandings were universal at the time the accord was signed. …. At the end of 1951, then, the Federal Reserve had both self-proclaimed independence, as a result of the accord, and an operational policy which aimed at maximum credit effects through minimum changes in interest rates….. the Federal Reserve people were quite sure that they could do a better job of running the country than the President, and with only slight increases in interest rates. … [ full details starting on pg 103]

    The Federal Reserves point of view on the Accord.

    Accord is Reached
    Shortly after that meeting, the Fed informed the Treasury that as of February 19, 1951, it would no longer “maintain the existing situation.” Needing to refund existing debt and possibly issue new debt, the Treasury knew it had to put an end to the uncertainty and public dispute. With Snyder in the hospital for cataract surgery, Assistant Secretary William McChesney Martin, Jr. met with Robert Rouse, Woodlief Thomas, and Winfield Riefler from the Fed. They negotiated a compromise under which the Fed would continue to support the price of five-year notes for a short time, but after that the bond market would be on its own.

    On March 4, 1951, the Treasury and the Fed issued a statement saying they had “reached full accord with respect to debt management and monetary policies to be pursued in furthering their common purpose and to assure the successful financing of the government’s requirements and, at the same time, to minimize monetization of the public debt”(William McChesney Martin, Jr., Collection 1951).

    At the time, it was not known how profound an effect that statement would have. But the accord marked the start of the development of a strong free market in government securities, which continues today. In addition, the debate over the consequences of interest rate pegging marked a shift in thinking at the Fed. Monetary policymakers began focusing actively on bank reserves and the control of money creation in order to stabilize the purchasing power of the dollar. But most important, by establishing the central bank’s independence from fiscal concerns, the accord set the stage for the development of modern monetary policy.


  47. Gail Combs says:

    Another Ian,
    They do not measure you for a Driver’s licence. Also were you wearing shoes?
    My height is now 1.5 inches shorter than it was the last time I was at the doctor’s so my drivers licence has my old adult height.

  48. Gail Combs says:

    Another Ian,

    A new administration can issue an executive order suspending new regulations that haven’t yet become law and repeal any that are still being reviewed. New Regs have to be published in the Federal Register and undergone the 60-day waiting period. That means Trump can wipe out the last two months of regulations with his pen. (He has a phone and a pen — snicker)

    Second, with the aid of congress, Trump can get rid of even more Regs.
    Here’s the Full List of Regulations Trump Can Repeal with Just His Pen

    ….a law known as the Congressional Review Act allows both houses of Congress to repeal regulations with a simple majority vote 60 legislative days after the regulations were issued by the federal government. Congressional Republicans have tried to use to this law to repeal numerous regulations under President Barack Obama, but Obama would always veto such efforts. President Trump, on the other hand, would likely be more favorable towards them since he pledged to repeal regulations during his campaign for president.

    The George Washington University Regulatory Studies Center determined that there are over 150 regulations since May that could be repealed under the Congressional Review Act out of a total of 180 that have been issued in that same time frame.

    There was also REINS REGULATIONS FROM THE EXECUTIVE IN NEED OF SCRUTINY ACT OF 2015. It passed the house, read twice in the Senate ANDDDddddd…. got killed in Committee.

  49. JP Miller says:

    Gail Combs says, “Stefan Molyneux had at one time thought as you do. However he changed his mind after watching the result of moving away from Christianity. (I think it is this video: )”

    Interesting…but that piece and the other links, excerpts, and comments you make seem irrelevant to the point I was making…. although I’m a rather linear thinker (with IQ several std deviations above 100), so maybe I can’t grok the larger point you were making with all of that.

    So, while I’m not sure I understand your thinking, let me clarify mine, as that might give you something more focused on which to help me understand you better (if you’d like to continue our dialogue). First, let’s separate my beliefs from what I think is needed by society as a whole. I am an atheist in that I do not think there is anything “metaphysical” that “exists” — i.e., the traditional God that is a being or entity or force that somehow has an effect on the natural world does not exist. However, I am not, as Steven Molyneux suggests, politically liberal; I am libertarian. Government is a necessary evil to be narrowly focused on but a few things (I think our Founders got it right).

    Now, what do I believe is needed for society? I am not against religion. For those who wish to believe in the metaphysical, I understand that need and have no quarrel with it. In that regard, the Judeo-Christian religions seem to me the best mankind has developed as philosophical systems to guide behavior (there may be others equal or superior — e.g., B’hai? — but I have not done a comprehensive study of the world’s religions, so I must be tentative in this remark). I would argue with some of the specific implementations Judeo-Christianity and with some current teachings, but generally the ethical core of those religions is pretty good. In fact, I do my best to manage my model my own ethical and moral framework on what Jesus Christ had to say about what it means to live a good life. I think humanity would do well if all humans adhered to the basics of Judeo-Christian ethics. However, I see no need for the metaphysical aspect of those religions as a basis for a just and civil society. I don’t need to believe in God or metaphysics (“life after death,” etc.) to find a rich meaning for my life that is constant.

    The challenge for our age, I believe, is for mankind to create one or more secular systems of ethics that can be codified and named, so it/ they can be taught as a practice. Those who believe in a religion have a codified system of ethics that their religion provides, which is good (assuming that system of ethics is not materially inconsistent with the basic of a Judeo-Christian POV on right versus wrong). However, those who do not believe in a religion do not have any specific systems of ethics with which to identify that are named and taught. Each person is left to sort such things out for themselves, and too many fail to do so, with the result that they do not follow any basic system of ethics, which often gets them into trouble with themselves (e.g., what is the meaning of my life?) and into trouble with society.

    To summarize, I’m not against religion. I personally see no need for metaphysics. Mankind can, and does, make good use of religion. However, many, like me, do not find religion useful (i.e., metaphysical “existence” is nonsensical), so people like me are forced to sort out their life’s meaning and a useful code of ethics on their own, which is not good. I believe my initial question to you was, “Why is belief in God necessary for a just and civil society?” I asked that question because I thought that was the point you were making.

  50. JP Miller says:

    Gail, I appreciate apologize for not reading your subsequent responses to my note. Your final comment, “In summary…” makes sense to me. I would not disagree that current “secular ethics” focuses on collectivism versus individualism, which I agree is hugely problematic. But, it need not be so. There’s nothing inherent in a system of secular ethics that leans towards collectivism versus individualism. I won’t do so here, but I can give you a fully worked out secular ethical system from first principles that leads one to a Christian ethical framework with a libertarian political philosophy… kinda like the Founders sans the metaphysical!

  51. Another Ian says:

    In case Gail doesn’t

    And comments – particularly

    “Psalmon says:
    December 26, 2016 at 5:11 am “

  52. E.M.Smith says:

    @JP Miller

    Interesting points. Oddly, much of it sounds like I wrote it (though I’ve never written anything like it… only thoughts…)

    My conclusion was thar good religions were a “necessary belief” for a moral society.

    The reasoning takes two tracks.

    1) In a secular world, the unethical have an inherent advantage in hierarchical structures and will gradually rise to dominate them. (Look how much effort goes into anticorruption in governments and corporations as it is…) The unethical will win the structural battle without a huge countervailing force. Our society realizes this with phrases like “Good guys always finish last” and “To the victor goes the spoils” and more.

    2) With no enforcer of the moral code, it becomes malleable., which allows its corruption into irrelevance given #1. The only enforcer above the rulers of humanity would be a “metaphysical” one, therefore religion becomes the necessary enforcer and social equalizer (limit on inflated self importance – think of those secular eugenics advocates…) It puts some things beyond the realm of human choice, and human corruption.

    This may not be the only possible, but it is in existence now. Imperfect though it is…

  53. Another Ian says:


    In case you’re still there

    and in comments

    “Psalmon says:
    December 26, 2016 at 5:11 am

    The Federal govt (we) own 47% of California’s land. How much is each Sequoia worth…to China? How much would Qatar pay for Yosemite? Shasta Dam (largest reservoir in CA) would cost $50B to build now…we want $200B.

    I’m thinking we could get $20T for OUR half of California. With CA’s GDP of $2.5T, that’s 12x Revenue + $5T separation bonus to pay for national security etc over the years. National Debt solved.”

  54. Another Ian says:


    In case you’re still there

    and in comments

    “Psalmon says:
    December 26, 2016 at 5:11 am

    The Federal govt (we) own 47% of California’s land. How much is each Sequoia worth…to China? How much would Qatar pay for Yosemite? Shasta Dam (largest reservoir in CA) would cost $50B to build now…we want $200B.

    I’m thinking we could get $20T for OUR half of California. With CA’s GDP of $2.5T, that’s 12x Revenue + $5T separation bonus to pay for national security etc over the years. National Debt solved.”

  55. Another Ian says:


    Just had 2 goes posting here and one on tips that don’t show

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  57. E.M.Smith says:

    @Another Ian:

    Likely due to the folks trying to flag sites as untruthy and we’re in a WordPressAdminVotingWar over things like

  58. Gail Combs says:

    JP Miller says….

    The point I was trying to make is that the USA was a mainly ( >90%) Judeo-Christian Country before the Progressives switched the immigration policy from mainly European Wealth Builders to mainly Third World Parasites around the middle of the last century.

    IF you yank out the Judeo-Christian ethics system in the USA you leave a void. This was done deliberately to make it easier to promote the Progressives hand picked ethics system. And that is the key to what I am trying to say.

    Remember John Dewey and George Count had worked very hard to change the nature of our school systems and that was completed by the 1960s-70s. (See Dumbing Down America below.)

    The destruction of the Judeo-Christian ethics system was the next step in the long range plans to destroy the USA by turning the USA from a country of capitalists and individualists to a country filled with socialists and collectivists.

    One of the tenets of the Judeo-Christian ethics is hard work as well as having prohibitions against blasphemy, murder, adultery, theft, dishonesty, and coveting. However Socialism/Communism is BUILT on theft (from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs ) and dishonesty (the end justifies the means) all justified by the emotion of ‘coveting.’ As Ayn Rand explained the Judeo-Christian ethics has been replaced with the Age of Envy.

    Envy/Hatred of the Good for Being the Good
    Today, we live in the Age of Envy.

    “Envy” is not the emotion I have in mind, but it is the clearest manifestation of an emotion that has remained nameless; it is the only element of a complex emotional sum that men have permitted themselves to identify.

    Envy is regarded by most people as a petty, superficial emotion and, therefore, it serves as a semihuman cover for so inhuman an emotion that those who feel it seldom dare admit it even to themselves. . . . That emotion is: hatred of the good for being the good.

    This hatred is not resentment against some prescribed view of the good with which one does not agree. . . . Hatred of the good for being the good means hatred of that which one regards as good by one’s own (conscious or subconscious) judgment. It means hatred of a person for possessing a value or virtue one regards as desirable.

    If a child wants to get good grades in school, but is unable or unwilling to achieve them and begins to hate the children who do, that is hatred of the good. If a man regards intelligence as a value, but is troubled by self-doubt and begins to hate the men he judges to be intelligent, that is hatred of the good….

    Sound familiar? Isn’t that what ‘Social Justice’ is really all about? Isn’t that what all the temper tantrums are a bout? Tony Heller has an excellent example of this Learning To Think Like A Progressive

    Dumbing Down America
    by Dr. Samuel Blumenfeld

    I am often asked to name those educators responsible for the change in primary reading instruction which has led to the decline of literacy in America….

    After twenty-five years of research, I can state with complete confidence that the prime mover in all of theis was none other than John Dewey who is usually characterized as the father of progressive education. Yet the change of the teaching of reading is probably Dewey’s greatest contribution to the tranformation of American education from an academically oriented process to a social one.

    The progressives were a new breed of educator that came on the scene around the turn of the century. These rejected the religion of the Bible and placed their new faith in science, evolution and psychology.
    Dewey’s philosophy had evolved from Hegelian idealism to socialist materialism, and the purpose of the school was to show how education could be changed to produce little socialists and collectivists instead of little capitalists and individualists. It was expected that these little socialists, when they became voting adults, would dutifully change the American economic system into a socialist one.

  59. Another Ian says:



    “@Another Ian:

    Likely due to the folks trying to flag sites as untruthy and we’re in a WordPressAdminVotingWar over things like”

    Someone must have won as they’re alll showing this morning

  60. Larry Ledwick says:

    National Review on changes Trump will likely make in the areas of entitlement reform and climate change.

  61. G. Combs says:

    Larry, On Entitlement reform, you can start with tossing illegals off ‘entitlement’ (and get rid of the Unconstitutional Anchor Baby crap.)

    Cashing in: Illegal immigrants get $1,261 more welfare than American families, $5,692 vs. $4,431

    The total cost is over $103 billion in welfare benefits to households headed by immigrants. A majority, 51 percent, of immigrant households receive some type of welfare compared to 30 percent of native households, said the analysis of Census data…

    At $8,251, households headed by immigrants from Central America and Mexico have the highest welfare costs of any sending region — 86 percent higher than the costs of native households.

    Obama budgets $17,613 for every new illegal minor, more than Social Security retirees get — $2,841 more than the average annual Social Security retirement benefit, according to a new report.

    So tell me again WHY older Americans who paid 50% to 90% of their salaries in taxes the target while parasite who often pay NO taxes get more of the goodies?

  62. LG says:

    It turns out the Russian intervention into the 2016 US elections started back in 1947.

    Secret documents recently discovered in a bin behind a Kremlin-district 24-hour cabbage and tobacco store reveal for the first time the devious extent of Russian interference. These plans were decades in the making.

    Read on, as never-before-seen communiques between Russian agents Sergei Potrov and Dimitri Bienko outline the wicked plot – beginning in 1947, on the day of Hillary Clinton’s birth:

    Dearest Dimitri

    I am pleased to report that phase one of Operation Cankles is total success! Soviet implantation of stupid American woman resulted in birth today of hefty girl-child destined to be unelectable candidate 70 years from now.

    Child is basically just ankles and head, similar to sturdy and hard-working female stock from adored Ilmensky Mountains. In decadent America, nobody will ever vote for such a noble being.

    Yours in Soviet solidarity,


    Back in Moscow, Bienko receives the news from his undercover US-based operative with communist glee:

    Dearest Sergei,

    You have done very well, comrade! Especially with the implantation. I trust the child has your eyebrow.

    We have already begun looking at similar strategies in other western nations. When you are next on leave, ask me to show you plans for Operation Julia. Australia is next to face unforgiving Soviet wrath!



    As the years go by, our pair of dedicated spies continue to monitor Hillary’s progress and other events:

    Dearest Dimitri,

    Greetings again from Americas. Heh heh heh! Apologies for chuckles, but am watching hilarious documentary called Honeymooners. Is about domestic violence. Very good.

    Am needing laugh because hips in pain from imitating the Elvis Presley. Will send you LP of the Presley once Russia has record players.

    Hillary now at school and shunned by corrupt classmates in thrall of military-industrial capitalism. All proceeding exactly according to strategic project timeline.

    Yours in everlasting revolution,


    Called away from Operation Cankles for a brief and triumphant mission to Dallas in 1963, Potrov soon returns to his main quest:

    Dearest Dimitri,

    My ‘holiday’ in Texas was wonderful, thank you for asking. Not so good for Agent Oswald, however. I will miss him. He could make a fine okroshka soup, which is very rare here. The Americans, they prefer their eggs shelled and cooked. And from birds.

    How is this for funny? Hillary ran for president of high school and lost to braggart teen with big crazy hair and grabby hands! Is almost like a practice run or something.

    Next step is to find university for her. Wellesley is ideal. More communists than all of Soviet Union, except parents drive Cadillacs (sort of like our ZiL, but wheels stay on).

    Yours in earnest progress,


    Occasionally Agent Potrov would vanish from the attention of his Soviet overlords, as this urgent 1967 cable shows:

    Comrade Sergei Potrov,

    We have not heard from you since you volunteered to investigate the ‘counterculture movement’ in San Francisco three months ago. We assume that your one message, requesting ‘more bread, man’ to buy ‘reefer and doobies’, was written in a code unknown even to our finest cryptographers.

    Also, the message was sent on paper from which several strips had been torn. Have you insufficient funds to purchase cigarettes? Please contact your superiors immediately. And stop playing Creedence on our interspy sonic network. This is not what the Soviet surveillance system is for.

    Yours in concern,

    Central Command

    During the mid-70s, the Russians toast a mission-advancing coup:

    It is not to be believed! Hillary is getting married – to a man! You owe me 50 rubles, Dimitri.

    The fellow is Bill, called by friends ‘horn dog’, ‘el squeezo’ and ‘the Arkansas assman’. He is very political. All his girlfriends say so. By ‘all his girlfriends’, I mean whole female population of Little Rock. He go through them like great winter purge of traitor generals.

    This can only assist our mission. Perhaps this Bill will even make it to the White House, if he can keep it in his pants for long enough (is phrase I pick up here).

    Yours in jubilation,


    Even tectonic global changes could not sway Agents Potrov and Bienko from their cause:

    Dearest Sergei,

    Alas, our beloved Soviet Union is no more. Gorbachev has ruined everything. Please do not give up on Operation Cankles. It may prove to be the final major accomplishment of our great land and heroic peoples.

    In other news, our budget has been slightly trimmed. Suggest you monitor Hillary from American streets, where lucrative sign-holding job will provide cover and help pay rent.

    Yours in Glasnost,


    Finally, on November 8, 2016, Sergei’s long mission comes to a victorious conclusion – on the veteran agent’s 94th birthday:

    Dearest Dimitri,

    I know you have been dead ten years already, but I write to you for fondness and memories. Great friend, it is done. All that we have worked for, all that we have planned, all that we have dreamed. Our unelectable candidate was truly unelectable. Even the other patients here in the home did not vote for her. One voted for Eisenhower.

    My time is not long, Dimitri. Soon I shall see you again, in the heaven that is a frozen-solid Siberian grave. We will rest in honour. Our work on this earth is complete.

    Yours in espionage,


  63. H.R. says:

    @LG – Very good. Very funny.

    Thanks, comrade LG! :o)

  64. Gail Combs says:

    We need more and more of that type of humor and mocking.

    It is worth copying and sending to our Congress Critters.

  65. John P Miller says:

    Gail Combs says, “The point I was trying to make is that the USA was a mainly ( >90%) Judeo-Christian Country before the Progressives switched the immigration policy from mainly European Wealth Builders to mainly Third World Parasites around the middle of the last century.”

    While I agree with your more general thesis (Progressives have worked hard to minimize the political influence of religions), the switch in immigration policy has brought in far more Christians (e.g., Mexicans/ Latin Americans) than non-Christians (e.g., Indians, Chinese, etc.). It’s not immigration that has resulted in fewer people actively participating in Judeo-Christian religions, it’s a general trend in the secularization of Western Society.

    I don’t disagree that Progressives may well be more secular than Conservatives (but I’m not sure they are more secular than Libertarians… that would be an interesting statistic).

    My point is that “Progressive” is not identical to “secular.” It is the Progressive aspect of people’s worldview we need to be concerned about, not the fact that they may be secular in their metaphysical/ religious views. Being secular does not mean having antipathy towards religion. It’s just a different worldview and can easily co-exist with religion. It’s Progressives that have a problem with religion because Progressives want the State to be the highest moral authority, not religion. It’s why Marx determined that religion was the “opiate of the masses,” because it put non-material values above wealth as the measure of the good life. But, non-material does not require religion or metaphysical… it requires a certain ethical worldview that can be fully secular and physical.

    The problem I see is that we, as a society, outside of religious institutions, do not teach ethics in a consistent, universal manner (i.e., throughout schooling) as an important requirement of being a good person/ sound citizen. The reason for this is that in the past the vast majority of citizens got their ethics from their religion, as most citizens belonged to an organized religion. Each religion had slightly different ethical (moral) requirements, but all (or almost all) fit easily into the broader envelope of what civil society considered criminal/ not-criminal. Thus, our society (US/ Western Europe/ Latin America) could get by without teaching ethics as a general, secular requirement. Religions took care of that quite well.

    Now that a significant portion of our citizens do not practice/ belong to a formal Judeo-Christian religion from which they learn ethics, they grow up “making it up.” The result is a breakdown. When not taught right from wrong, and why it matters, people will pursue whatever behavior they feel is in their own best interests.

    EM made a point in response to my last comment that people need a higher power to keep them in line with the ethical requirements demanded by that higher power; i.e., people have to fear damnation to prevent them from being unethical. I don’t agree. Many people who are unethical will tell you they believe in God, but have all sorts of excuses for their behavior: “someone else’s fault,” “it’s not really wrong,” “I’m better than most,” “God will forgive me,” “it was an impulse”… or some people just carry a huge amount of guilt, but can’t keep themselves from lying, cheating, stealing, etc. Many people who are ethical are atheist.

    If we, as a society, would teach the basics of Judeo-Christian ethics in a formal and secular way (i.e., without the religious/ metaphysical connection), I believe we would be better off than we are now. Would we have a greater or lesser percentage of people breaking the Golden Rule than when religion controlled the teaching of ethics with its reference to a God who can affect our lives now or in the hereafter? I don’t know. I’d like to think more people would understand the importance/ necessity of honesty, of non-violence, of work, and of charity than do now without such teaching.

    But, the need to teach ethics from a secular perspective is not intended to downplay the value of religion in our society. I think teaching ethics from a secular perspective is very important because most Judeo-Christian religions are on the decline, with or without the active efforts of Progressives. The problem is we, as a society, do not realize this lack of education in ethics is a huge lacuna that we must work to fill.

    To me, the solution is that organized religions must work together to promulgate the need for secular ethics in education broadly and to offer a simple, meaningful framework for those ethics. Our religions are failing us by not realizing that only they can counter the loss of ethical teaching because of their diminishing members — due mostly to the fact that more and more people find their metaphysics and/ or particular moral requirements unbelievable. But, religions can counter this loss not through promulgating each of their particular views of morality, but rather by endorsing the common and fundamental requirements of a just life that must be taught as a requirement for secular society, as it is for parochial society.

  66. Gail Combs says:

    John P Miller,
    From what I could glean from several of Stefan Molyeaux’s videos. He was hoping as you, that philosophy and ethics would be a replacement of religion. Unfortunately the Progressives started in 1954, with Johnson dumping Churches into the 5013c Tax category, to effectively muzzle them. Progressives then proceeded to do their dirty work against an opponent who could not fight back in any way. Islam, a totalitarian cultural, religious and political system, is given a pass by the Progressives since their goals align. So we now see islam (and Sharia Law) creeping into our schools and politics.

    What has happened to the USA can only be understood IF you realize ‘our leaders’ have been actively conspiring to destroy our country for well over a hundred years! It took years for me to finally realize that.
    Congressman McFadden made that clear in 1934 (was killed for it.)
    Dr. Samuel Blumenfeld made that clear when he wrote of John Dewey’s deliberate destruction of the US education system.

    That the new teaching methods would decrease literacy was well known by its proponents. In G. Stanley Hall went so fas as to extol the virues of illiteracy. After reading Huey’s book, he wrote in 1911:

    ….The knowledge which illiterates acquire is probably a much larger proportion of it practical. Moreover, they escape much eyestrain and mental excitement, and, other things being equal, are probably more active and less sedentary. It is possible, despite the stigma our bepedagogued age puts upon this disability, for those who are under it not only to lead a useful, happy, virtuous life,… Illiterates escape certain temptaions, such as vacuous and vicious reading. Perhaps we are prone to put too high a value both upon the ability required to attain this art and the discipline involved in doing so, as well as the culture value that comes to the citizen with his average of only six grades of schooling by the acquisition of this art.

    Bill Ivey of Global Cultural Strategies makes it clear in his email to John Podesta that an ignorant peasantry is much desired until they become recalcitrant. ( Ivey served in the Clinton-Gore administration)

    …as I’ve mentioned, we’ve all been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry. The unawareness remains strong but compliance is obviously fading rapidly. This problem demands some serious, serious thinking…

    So yes, I will continue to support the Judeo-Christian Religion because at present the alternative is serfdom.

    E.M. set-up a new page to discuss this

  67. Gail Combs says:

    Now this is interesting
    Read this very carefully The Long Road To Christmas 2016…

    It would seem that Sundance has a lot of help in his info gathering!!!

    No wonder he seems so accurate.

  68. Gail Combs says:

    Gateway Pundit lists the hateful acts of Obummer against Israel over the last 8 years. It is nice to see them concisely listed all in one place.

    ISRAEL Slams Jew-Hater Obama for Final Despicable Act at UN

    Perhaps a copy of this will wake up the liberal Jews.

  69. Larry Ledwick says:

    The problem for me Gail is I mostly tune out the political class and don’t waste a lot of energy tabulating all the games they play. I wish someone would put together a program ( as in you need a program to keep the players straight) that tallies up who was who.

    Who were the hard core never – Trumpers vs the folks who talked never Trump but immediately folded when it looked like he was going to win. Which conservative media types were completely in the bag for the establishment GOPe agenda etc. While the debate was going on I could keep it straight for a while but now after so much water under the bridge I realize I don’t really have a score card to keep track of which players were on which team in the heat of the campaign.

  70. Gail Combs says:

    President-Elect Donald Trump, along with President Fattah Abdel al-Sisi of Egypt are busy working towards a Arab Israeli Peace Effort

    Meanwhile Obummer is off for a Hawaiian Christmas vacation at Tax payer expense.

    Golfing on oceanside courses, dining at high-end restaurants and frolicking on stunning white-sand beaches where security guards keep other tourists at bay, the president and his family are in the midst of a 17-day holiday that requires dozens of Secret Service agents, military personnel and other government employees to guarantee their safety and ease of travel around Oahu.

    The Obamas are once again renting a multimillion-dollar oceanfront home in Kailua, a town on the northeast side of the island where houses in the neighborhood fetch around $10 million. It’s near golf courses and a Marine Corps base where the president goes for morning workouts at the gym…

  71. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting bit on the 911 investigation came out as a result of a FOI request.

  72. Gail Combs says:

    Larry Ledwick says: “The problem for me Gail is I mostly tune out the political class…”

    Larry I think that is the problem for all of us. We can not possible concentrate on earning a living, dealing with our homes and family AND keep up with all the crap. We EXPECTED the MSM to do the digging for us. After all isn’t that what they were paid to do? Aren’t they paid to be neutral investigative reporters digging and gathering data and presenting it to the public?

    I think that is why the MSM is hated even more so than politicians. We expect a bit of sleaze in politicians but the betrayal of ‘journalists’ was like finding out your spouse of 30 years wasn’t working late at the office, instead he was raping little kids and then murdering them. — Total betrayal.

    That is why blogs like E.M.s and Sundance’s are so critically important . They are now doing the investigative journalism BECAUSE the MSM is now nothing but the propaganda arm of the globalist elite. That is why the targeting of ‘Russian Propaganda’ was used as an excuse to set-up a Ministry of Truth WELL BEFORE Trump was even nominated and ‘a rigged election’ was even discussed.

    Heck we can even keep up with the new laws that are passed let alone the regulations!These are just the 2013 regulations. It is over 80,000 pages. WE are expected to KNOW them and abide by them since ‘ignorance of the law is no excuse.’ — Fat chance.

  73. G. Combs says:

    A Russian Defense Ministry Tu-154 plane heading from Moscow to Syria crashed on Sunday morning near the Russian Black Sea resort city of Sochi. All 92 passengers are considered dead, including 64 members of the Red Army Choir.

    Alexandrov Red Army Choir :

    The Executive Director of the Council on Islamic-American Relations’ Louisiana chapter had nasty comments up on Facebook and Twitter.
    Executive director of CAIR-LA apologizes for saying he was ‘sad’ more Russians didn’t die in plane crash after taking a lot of heat on twitter.

  74. G. Combs says:

    Now this makes you wonder just which side was Obummer and Hillary actually supporting and which side is Russia supporting: Stunning Reuters Admission: Christians In Aleppo Syria Celebrate Peace and Hope For Christmas…

    … it is logically impossible for the content of the article to be accurate unless the reader accepts the now exiled radical citizenry were, and are, supporters of the Islamic State (ISIS) and other Sunni Muslim insurgent groups.

    The fleeing Islamic extremists are now heading to safe harbor in Turkey, where the formerly exiled leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood were also given a new home. What does that say about the future for Turkey, a NATO member? A looming question.

    ….In the war ravaged St. Elias Cathedral located on what was long the frontline in Aleppo’s historic Old City, priests prayed for peace at the first Christmas Eve Mass for five years, attended by dozens of worshippers, including some Russian officers.

    “The festive atmosphere is great. It’s a new birth for Jesus Christ and a new birth for the city of Aleppo,” said George Bakhash, a Christian community leader….

  75. philjourdan says:

    #1 – I had to laugh that Hillary lost more votes than Trump in the EC.
    #2 – Yes, I have gotten the same messages from the NY TImes on Firefox. I think it is the cypher they are using. But it is also prophetic.
    #3 – A supreme being is similar to Dark Matter. It explains what cannot be explained. And some things will never be explained as the more knowledge we gain, the more we know how much we do not know.

    BTW: Florida was 82 and sunny the whole Christmas week! I am ready for some cold again!

  76. Gail Combs says:

    The Temper Tantrums by Progressives is getting up to full steam. Truth Be Damned!

    Unreal – U.S. Media Frame Obama’s Russia Sanctions as “Vote Hacking”

    President Obama Releases Ridiculous FBI Report on “Russian Malicious Cyber Activity” (full pdf included)

    Muh Russians – President Obama Gives “Rebel Alliance” Best Gift for New Year

    There are many facets being discussed by various political tribes about President Obama pitching a ‘vast Russian election hacking conspiracy’ narrative. However, though he absolutely never intended to do so, President Obama has just given us one of the best gifts, transparent propaganda...

    Russia Closes U.S./U.K./Canadian International School For Children of Diplomats in Moscow

    A well sourced comprehensive list of the Obama sanctions against Russia is available via Business Insider –SEE HERE– In response, Russian officials warned Thursday that there will be “countermeasures” to the sanctions.

    Additionally, in an apparent retaliation effort against President Stompy Feet, Moscow has closed the International School where the kids of most western diplomats attended…

  77. Gail Combs says:

    And Sundance Sums it up beautifully

    BOLO – Be On Lookout Alert

    In accordance with Presidential Directive #755.689 the Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, has released the following nationwide BOLO alert to assist in the apprehension of suspected Russian hackers and election saboteurs:

  78. Larry Ledwick says:

    This item is relevant to the transition in that the changes in climate science emphasis will be driven by the new administration, and this change is already starting to shift even before the inauguration.

    Oh and Gail – – on the above I was always certain that Natasha was involved in some scandal with the DNC but Boris had the goods on HRC and was able to keep it quiet.

    Or in the the immortal words of BJM “Here watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!” GRRRRRRR

  79. Larry Ledwick says:

    Note to non-US readers last reference will only make sense to those like me who religiously watched the Rocky the Squirrel Cartoon show in the 1960’s when they got home from school.

  80. Gail Combs says:

    And a Merry F..k YOU from the city of Houston

    … Houston due to a 2012 city ordinance prohibiting the sharing of food with more than five people at a time without fulfilling certain requirements created by city council….

    So now you have to have a PERMIT from the city to have Birthday Parties or Thanksgiving and Christmas dinner with your friends and relatives???

    The story gets worse from there….
    Seems unless the NANNY State is doing the giving it is against the law…

    We now charge a lot more to do events in city parks and require the event planner to get all paperwork/ permission IN WRITING to bring to the event. We have gotten way too much flack from the nasty meddlers who hate seeing anyone happy and call the cops at the drop of a hat. The cops response is ALWAYS, “get out of here before I arrest you’ even though they often have ZERO law backing them up.

    For City officials it is ALWAYS safer, career wise, to deny people permission for any activity than it is to allow the activity. No one ever caught flack for an event that didn’t happen.

    You are only safe if you live in an apartment, take public transpo to your Corporatist job and parrot Ministry of Truth propaganda. No independence of thought or deed allowed.

  81. philjourdan says:

    @Larry – even some non-US citizens were regaled with Rocky and Bullwinkle!

    But it was one of my favorites growing up.

  82. philjourdan says:

    @Gail – I am glad we never lived in Houston. I am from a family of 9, and there were 6 in my family (4 children and 2 adults). We would have been breaking the law every day!

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