“Consensus Trolling”?

Watching MSNBC, they’ve been pushing the DNC Talking Point of “When ALL the Intelligence Agencies…” and “17 Intelligence Agencies said…”, pushing it hard.

It just reeks of the “97% Agree!” line.

All of it based on the logic fault of appeal to authority.

This got me to thinking… Ought we have a new term of art for such a tactic? While the link I provided gives a description of what they are and why they ought to be avoided, many (particularly on the Looney Side Of Left) seem to take this as a “How To Guide” to propaganda. So to highlight that use, perhaps something else is needed?

To that end, I offer “Consensus Trolling” as the act of using “Appeal to The Consensus Of Authority” as the proposed term of art.

So the news, and many on the left in news conferences, et. al. are indulging in Consensus Trolling per the laundry list of TLAs that have said “The Russians Did It!”. Never mind that it is only the politicized top level administrators who are saying this. Never mind that ‘under the covers’ you can never know who did a hack until you catch them; only make Good Guesses. Never mind that the server was so wide open I’d expect a 1/2 dozen agencies and even private parities could get in. Never mind that any of them might be the actual source of the “leak”. Never mind that one of the Russian agencies (the military one) had only gotten in a few weeks earlier and the mail goes back much further. Roll Out The Consensus Trolls! “We, the Politicized Managerial Elite agree, therefor YOU (idiots – implied) shut up and sit down.”

Just rankles.

And they wonder why they lost the election…

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36 Responses to “Consensus Trolling”?

  1. philjourdan says:

    It has a very short life. IN 2 weeks, other findings will be released which disagree with the consensus trolling and just as fast, these idiots will be telling us how “politicized” the intelligent agencies are. Which is what we have said all along.

  2. G. Combs says:

    At this point the MSM would have to do a lot of digging just to manage to get back into the sewer. Science is getting just as bad a reputation and for the same reason.

    Moderates lost trust in science in the late 1970s, Conservative more gradually and only hard core Progressives ~27%? still have much faith in science and that is only ~40% of them.
    (Study is bookmarked on other computer)

    It looks to me as if the Globalist Elite have managed to blow through all the ‘credit’ build up by the US government, the MSM and science in the last few decades. It may be for the purpose of bringing down the US culture and government.

  3. catweazle666 says:

    Here is John McAfee on the subject:

    http://www.usapoliticstoday.com/cybersecurity-legend-blows-up-democrats/

    He is unimpressed…

  4. Titan 28 says:

    It was never really 17 intelligence agencies. It was head of Homeland Scty and his politically appointed counterpart at the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, an organization that oversees 16 intelligence agencies. IOW, two political hacks did Obama’s bidding. As is the case with the Climate Change 97%, when you did deeper, you reach the mud room of the Wizard of Oz.

  5. Oliver K. Manuel says:

    Consensus trolling, circular reasoning, a snake swallowing its own tail, or plain insanity

    https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017/01/09/the-fallacy-of-circular-reasoning-a-vast-infection-in-public-discourse/#comment-200296

  6. Oliver K. Manuel says:

    Efficiency:_

    The same logical error that prevented Dr. Carl von Weizsacker from building an atomic bomb for Hitler during World War II, . . .

    a sloping baseline from which to calculate “nuclear binding energy

    was inserted in nuclear physics textbooks after WWII to save frightened world leaders from the possibility of worldwide nuclear annihilation after WWII.

  7. Gail Combs says:

    John McAfee says the exact same thing that E.M. said a few days ago. Some kid using old stuff available off the internet not Russia.
    ………….

    From the TreeHouse on the Sunday FBI data dump.

    Sandra-VA says:
    January 9, 2017 at 1:02 pm

    Having just finished reading all those pages (phew!), it seems clear that this was a very serious investigation; roadblocks from higher authorities (State, DHS); Blumenthal somehow was able to obtain classified information; Justin Cooper is very entwined in the whole thing; USS were being asked for information; they also had CI’s in play; Pagliano must be a key to something since he is so protected; Huma under criminal investigation for several years….

    Followed a ways down a note about a Chelsea Clinton Email to Podesta.

    andi lee says:
    January 9, 2017 at 4:58 pm

    Sandra, I agree about Cooper, but I do remember reading Sundance’s prior FBI docs, Cooper was specifically called “SA Justin Cooper”. Maybe possible, two different men but when you look at Podesta emails, you’ll find this:

    TWITTER
    Chelsea tattling on Justin Cooper for putting spyware on Foundation computers…

    Robby Mook writing email 2 Huma Abedin -says “i would only do this…to make Soros happy

    Continuation of the comment:
    Also, Cooper emails appears 10 times in Podesta emails, one of those times is an email, photo attached of two beautiful asian women, one child, sharing a plate of pizza at an outdoor picnic-looking table. Cooper, one word response was, “Nice”.

    The photo, turns out, was encrypted with other layers of data, a gateway to another photo(s) or video. It was determined, the encryption used a special access program and comes from the highest levels of our Intelligence community. (There was also an ongoing search to match these two women with two asian journalists that went missing in the past, an event where Bill Clinton sent a plane, thought to be Epstein’s, to pick up two women, “human rights workers” in Asia rescuing children. The reddit page-link was scrubbed & shutdown)

    Two people? Probably….

    WIKI says Justin Cooper was a senior adviser to Bill Clinton. He first worked within the Office of Science and Technology.Clinton asked Cooper, along with Doug Band, to move to New York to play a critical role in his post-presidential activities including traveling with him and assisting President Clinton in editing his books. He “…has a close working relationship with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and her senior most advisers since their White House days, including Cheryl D. Mills and Huma Abedin, is often responsible for briefing and advising the President on a range of issues including finances, business matters, public relations, politics, the Clinton Family Foundation and the Clinton Foundation’s initiatives as well as the Clinton Global Initiative. Cooper was one of the key persons that help administer Hillary’s private email server. Hillary’s private server as been part of an on going Federal investigation. The internet domain, clintonemail.com, was registered to Cooper, not the Clintons, while she was secretary of state. The domain was registered by Cooper before Hillary became secretary of state on January 21, 2009… Cooper had no US security clearance or expertise in computer security.”
    GOP MEMO: Who Is Justin Cooper?
    Last comment:
    Secret Service leaking, stonewalling, and getting admonished (by FBI)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1xLBGbWEAAoDDJ.jpg:small

    That sounds like the same stonewalling Senate Judiciary Committee chairman Chuck Grassley got in the Congressional investigation on the Benghazi investigation.

    What a complete mess. No wonder they want keep saying “Oh look A RUSSIAN Squirrel!”
    (Those squirrels are nasty buggers! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJF7_0UWvag )

    The three comments are from:
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/01/08/fbi-releases-unusual-sunday-document-dump-re-clinton-investigation-mishandling-classified-information/#comments

  8. E.M.Smith says:

    Gail said: “It may be for the purpose of bringing down the US culture and government.”

    Just so.

    The simple fact is that as “top dog” in the world post W.W.II, we were a target for everyone else. Then communism in the FSU went under, so also went underground.

    It did not go away.

    Between Communists, Islamists, and others, we are the only common target.

    On all levels and in all ways, the attack is on.

    (I say this as someone who has done ‘security work’ for about 30 years)

    “Insurgency” is the aftermath of every successful war, and we have a lot of them in our history, so…

  9. Gail Combs says:

    Trump is really inheriting a major mess but the weapons put in place by the enemy can now be used against them.

    First Trump has already cut off the MSM at the knees and he can certainly make it a lot worse by getting HIS NEWS out the gate first leaving the MSM trying to get their shoes on to chase him. This is a major, major weapon and he knows it.

    So while I do expect more temper tantrums from the Progressives, the Agents Provacateurs, the MSM and the rest of the idiots who want to dismantle the USA. I also expect Trump to be first explain the situation taking the wind out of the ‘Fake News’

    As far as the Progressives salted through the intelligence agencies, Trump can always start with the Top Secret report just leaked. EVERYONE in that command chain is subject to dismissal when you think about it. It gets even juicier if you consider we are still ‘at war’ and Obama Signs 2013 NDAA: May Still Arrest, Detain Citizens Without Charge Obama “…signed into law the renewal of his power to apprehend and detain Americans indefinitely on no more authority than his own suspicion of their complicity with enemies in the “War on Terror.”

    Trump may have quite a bit of info on who exactly the snakes are.
    Admiral Michael Rogers, the Director of the NSA (National Security Agency) and U.S. Cyber Command, met with President-Elect Trump, somewhat quietly in mid-November. “It has been reported that Admiral Rogers did not inform his “superiors” of the meeting with President-Elect Trump. President Obama is out of the country. Def Sec Ash Carter and DNI Chair James Clapper, both loyalists to President Obama, do not necessarily align with Admiral Rogers…” LINK And DHS Whistleblower Philip Haney is an expert on islamic terrorists in the USA, working for DHS until the progressives shut him down. link and link

    Trump has throughout his campaign worked very hard to win over the local law enforcement and with the targets on their backs I do not expect them to be very loyal to the Progressives. Especially with an honest Justice Department backing them up instead of helping paint that target.

    Trump has the power to selectively withhold funding and Obummer gave him that precedence too.
    White House won’t keep funds from North Carolina before court battle over transgender rights is resolved

    The Obama administration will not halt federal funding to North Carolina — at least until the looming court battle over the state’s “bathroom bill” is finished, a White House spokesman said Thursday.

    Press Secretary Josh Earnest told reporters at a regular media briefing that the Justice Department’s decision to sue over the law — which bans transgender people from using bathrooms that don’t match the gender on their birth certificates — had spurred the administration to put on hold any decision about stripping North Carolina of federal money.

    “The administration will not take action to withhold funding while this enforcement process is playing out in the courts,” Earnest said….

    Arizona Joins Texas in Lawsuit to Stop Federal Overreach

    …President Obama’s mandate requiring all public K-12 and postsecondary schools to open up boys’ and girls’ locker rooms and restrooms to students of the opposite sex, based on students’ perceptions of their “gender identity.” The Heber-Overgaard Unified School District has also joined the State’s lawsuit as a plaintiff.

    Since the President has threatened to deny federal funding to all schools that object to this outrageous decree, Arizona has joined Texas, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Maine, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Utah, West Virginia and Wisconsin in a lawsuit filed in the United States District Court for the Northern District of Texas. The lawsuit is focused on who should set these sensitive policies – the federal government via unaccountable agencies or States and local school districts. The challenge seeks declaratory relief against a number of federal agencies in order to block the implementation of the administration’s unprecedented interpretation of the law…..

    Obama did the same via exc order to states wanting to set up schools as English Only to save the massive amount of funding needed to teach in multiple languages. He declared not providing multiple languages ‘Unconstitutional.

    Note in all these cases there were no actual federal laws with funding attached. Just Obama’s whim.

    Once you get Congress involved it really gets nasty.
    GOP Rep. Culberson: No Justice Dept. Funding Without Crackdown on Sanctuary Cities

    A Republican lawmaker is vowing to tighten the purse strings on the Justice Department to make sure the Obama administration denies grant money to sanctuary cities that refuse to cooperate with immigration agents.

    Texas Rep. John Culberson, chairman of the House Appropriations subcommittee that oversees the Department of Justice, warned Attorney General Loretta Lynch he’ll use his budget authority if she doesn’t move to shut down sanctuary cities…

    “This is a complicated problem with a simple solution,” Culberson said, the Times reports. “State and local law enforcement agencies should not receive federal law enforcement grant money unless they are in compliance with federal law.”

    Culberson points out federal law requires local governments to cooperate with immigration agents….

    Food stamps via the USDA, education and many other federal Gimee programs could also have funding withheld from states refusing to cooperate.

    Four Times the Government Held Highway Funding Hostage
    If Congress were to lose the Highway Trust Fund, it would also lose a powerful tool to keep states in line.

    … under its authority to regulate interstate commerce, Congress can threaten to withhold essential federal funding for highway infrastructure if states do not comply.

    The precedent for the federal government holding its highway funding hostage goes back to a 1987 Supreme Court case. The case, South Dakota v. Dole, dealt with the national drinking age, and found one of the Constitution’s articles butting up against one of its amendments. The Court found that, under the spending clause of the Constitution, the federal government could withhold highway funds, thereby exerting its control over the states….

    So going in Trump has lots of options and the chutzpah to use them.

  10. Jason Calley says:

    I like the idea of referring to the argument from authority error as “the Priest told me” argument. The main appeal is that the “progressives” are not mere irreligious, but are in fact anti-religious. Referring to their arguments from authority as being equal to “the Priest told me” is just a nice way of poking a finger in their eye.

  11. Svend Ferdinandsen says:

    I just wonder that CIA, FBI and NSA could be taken on the bed in this.
    Are they so incompetent that they can only spy on those who don’t try to make harm.
    And then you can say that it was Hillarys own fault if it was hacked.

  12. YMMV says:

    Keyword ‘independent’ missing. Without that, the consensus is fake. and Benghazi was a movie. With so many echo chambers and a big hall of mirrors we can see through the fog of war.

    Nothing new to see here. Everybody loved disco then and now none will admit they did. Beware consensus; consensus changes.

  13. M Simon says:

    And they wonder why they lost the elections

  14. Gail Combs says:

    A Reddit post comment points out how Guccifer used Russian proxy servers to go undetected. Therefore the FBI is well aware that independent crackers use this method of hiding their tracks.

  15. Gail Combs says:

    THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING

    Or maybe it’s just Kek….

    A bit of dig here:
    BAckground: FAKE NEWS: Did 4chan Just Fool BuzzFeed…AND THE CIA?

    Round up of evidence from the 4Chan Anon claiming credit given to Mike Cernovich:
    link

    Current discussion at 4Chan: (no clear evidence) link
    Meanwhile everyone is running with a 4chan autist was the originator and the CIA/Progressives grabbed it and ran.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Meanwhile a Reddit post comment points out how Guccifer used Russian proxy servers to go undetected. Therefore the FBI is well aware that independent crackers use this method of hiding their tracks. This Adds to the mud all over the intel community’s face.

    Sundance at the Tree-house adds a few more details:

    CNN Media Heads and Political DC Operatives Construct More Russian Madness (w/ important video reminder)…

    Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad.

  16. Gail Combs says:

    From wolfmoon1776
    The actual dude has come forward!

    Libs fell for #GoldenShowers just as #FakeNews & CIA cucks did.
    4chan trolled them all, & they bought it without question! pic.twitter.com/2cONiiRm5d
    — Andrew Keith (@AndrewKH85) January 11, 2017

    Looks like Twitter already yanked the page: https://twitter.com/AndrewKH85/status/819010374854811648

  17. Gail Combs says:

    Gateway Pundit jumps on the fake report:
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/01/fake-news-buzzfeed-cnn-fall-trump-piss-story-4chan-prank/

    The header is completely wrong:

    FAKE NEWS: BuzzFeed and CNN fall for Trump Piss Story That was 4Chan Prank

    ….The Trump-Russia intel document headers are “CONFIDENTIAL / SENSITIVE SOURCE” and the source is allegedly ex-MI6.
    The US and UK don’t use that header in ANY sensitive material….

    It looks like the liberal mainstream media got punked — again.
    If this is how easy it is to fool the liberal media then I’m going to have my niece start sending them her Harry Potter fan fictions as long as she writes “Confidential / Sensitive Source” at the top.

  18. Gail Combs says:

    Now some meat comes out…

    First you need to know:

    John McCain funded by Soros since 2001

    2014 John McCain Hangs Out with Old Pal George Soros in Switzerland

    UK Guardian: Dec 2013 John McCain tells Ukraine protesters: ‘We are here to support your just Cause

    Senator John McCain on Sunday told thousands of Ukrainian protesters camped on Kiev’s main square that Ukraine’s destiny lay in Europe and that it would make Europe better.

    “Ukraine will make Europe better and Europe will make Ukraine better,” he said to crowds protesting against President Viktor Yanukovich’s U-turn in trade policy away from Europe towards Russia.

    “We are here to support your just cause, the sovereign right of Ukraine to determine its own destiny freely and independently. And the destiny you seek lies in Europe,” said McCain..

    Cain and GOPe Never Trumpers hired the ‘MI6 former investigator’ and then the DNC got into the act. McCain, living up to his name of Songbird, was picked to turn the ‘creative writing exercise’ over to the FBI.

    McCain Admits He Gave Dossier Containing “Sensitive Information” On Trump To The FBI

    Sundance opines the chain of custody of the ‘Golden Shower’ fiction was

    Chain of custody appears to be: Story originates in 4Chan. => Rick Wilson => Evan McMullin => John McCain => Intelligence Community => CNN

    The question becomes WHY???

    And here is the answer to all the “RUSSIANS ARE COMING” Idiocy.

    Senate bill: S.2943-NDAA Act for 2017 (now law) sponsored by McCain prohibits Trump from allying with Russia vs ISIS until Ukraine joins NATO.

    In other words it sets up WWIII in such a way that Trump’s hands are tied. However McCain/Soros still have to kill off Trump’s popularity and paint Russia as evil to get the war they are so set on.

    Happy New Year Donbass: From Killer John McCain & Co.

    …McCain, some will recall, was the top US cheerleader for the Maidan coup that unseated the standing Ukraine government and started the civil war that led to current west-east tensions. Now, with the Syria asymmetrical strategies thwarted, the Pentagon’s chief evangelist is back in Ukraine proclaiming the intentions of the military industrial complex he and Graham represent. What is most striking about McCain in Ukraine at this moment, is the clearly desperate nature of his visit….

    The US Senator went on to address Russian President Vladimir Putin directly saying; “You will never defeat the Ukrainian people and deprive them of their independence and freedom.” He had sworn to provide Poroshenko’s troop whatever is necessary to defeat those in East Ukraine, in his visit to the bunker on the front lines already. The significance of the Arizona senator’s promises cannot be underestimated here, as the Minsk accords call for a strictly peaceful settlement, military victories having no place in the potential accord. McCain, his colleague Graham, and their constituents in Congress have done everything in their power to not only fun and promote ongoing conflict in the world, but they’ve joined the Obama administration in doing everything humanly possible to tie the hands of the incoming president. McCain, on behalf of the defense corporations that have supported him and Graham for decades now, is dead set on a war on Russia. This is not a matter for conjecture.

    Legislation just signed by outgoing President Barack Obama is the latest, and possibly most damaging bit of “revenge” Obama casts at Putin and anti-hegemony advocates before leaving. S.2943 – the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2017 sponsored by McCain, contains words and constraints that in essence prohibit Donald Trump from allying with Russia against ISIL or any foe, until the former Ukraine falls into the NATO sphere. My colleague, geo-policy analyst Holger Eekhof delved into McCain’s efforts early in the drafting processes of this law. What he discovered was a hidden-in-plain-sight agenda that could lead to World War III. S.2943 states specifically:

    “(Sec. 1233) Prohibits FY2017 funds from being used for bilateral military-to-military cooperation between the governments of the United States and Russia until DOD certifies to Congress that Russia has: (1) ceased its occupation of Ukrainian territory and its aggressive activities that threaten the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine and members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization; and (2) is abiding by the terms of and taking steps in support of the Minsk Protocols regarding a ceasefire in eastern Ukraine. Permits a waiver under specified conditions.”

    Furthermore, this “McCain-Obama” law approves funding for the continued training, funding and equipping of “Anti-Assad” forces inside war torn Syria. McCain and his colleagues also rubber stamped a plan for the taking and “holding” of the eastern Syria city of Raqqa in the oil rich regions bordering Kurdistan. The significance of the latter bears special scrutiny given that Aleppo and most of western Syria is being retaken by the legitimate government of Assad. Raqqa, for those unfamiliar, is the key to Syria’s only real wealth of oil. This is the crux of the Syria regime change after all, the fragmentation or destruction of an Israel foe, coinciding with a robbery of still more oil riches from Middle Eastern sovereign peoples. The well is too deep to discuss here, but McCain and Obama have achieved at least part of what I believe the mission was all along….

  19. chris says:

    McCain is afraid Trump will release “The Tapes.”
    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-legacy-of-sydney-schanberg/

  20. Gail Combs says:

    Yuppers, It seems the goal is war with Russia.

    Now Lil’ Marco is asking T-Rex (Tillerson) if Putin should be named a WAR CRIMINAL!

    Thank goodness we have Trump in office instead of Hillary or Jeb the Shrub.

  21. Gail Combs says:

    Things are getting even more fun.
    The Donkey’s Rear who wrote the bull feces about Russia/Trump has been outed.

    Former MI6 officer Christopher Steele, who produced Donald Trump Russian dossier, ‘terrified for his safety’ and went to ground before name released

    Idiot should have thought about what happens when you kick a bear and a lion before he did it.

    One wonders about that trip of Kerry’s to the UK… From London on Oct 16 2016 Joint Statement From Secretary John Kerry and U.K. Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson
    Rick Wilson was given the 4chan troll piece ~9/1/16

    Meanwhile CNN is squirming and trying to lay the blame on Buzzfeed but 4Chan comes through again by digging out this:

  22. Another Ian says:

    Gail

    We have a rough and ready Oz CW singer Kevin Bloody Wilson. One of whose fortes is adapting oyher peoples songs

    Pertinent to this “Pr Coup” John denver

    “You came on my pillow

    I slept on the wet spot”.

  23. philjourdan says:

    His research was initially funded by anti-Trump Republicans, and later by Democrats.

    Want to bet the former includes McCain?

  24. Gail Combs says:

    Phil, I do not bet against a sure thing.

    As far as I am concerned ole’ Songbird should be hanging from the nearest lamppost and that should have been done in the 1970s

  25. G. Combs says:

    Trey Gowdy destroys FBI Director Comey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLtxm3v6KwY

    So the FBI despite blatant destruction of evidence can not find ‘intent of wrong doing’ Something NOT necessary to indict and jail BTW. Yet with ZERO real evidence the same group of idiots ACCUSES a foreign power of a crime for which Congress passes various sanctions and tries to start a war???

    Does anyone else see a major problem here? Esp since we caught China red handed but did nothing?

  26. A C Osborn says:

    Gail, along with the US Troop movements in Eastern Europe and the Bill you found preventing the US helping Russia with ISIS, it does look as if Obama & co are intent on pushing the world in to a war with Russia.
    Surely this can’t be just to get at Trump’s Presidency can it?

  27. G. Combs says:

    On top of that the FBI sought FISA court warrant to spy on Gen. Flynn, Michael Cohen, Carter Page and Paul Manafort.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-11/fbi-reportedly-sought-fisa-court-warrant-spy-trump-campaign-officials
    ……………….

    Professor Stephen Cohen, Russian Studies, NYU, was on with Tucker Carlson Wednesday. Cohen said he has “never seen the likes of what is taking place with a President-elect for it looks like US Forces are trying to take him down before he gets into office”…he said it was unprecedented.

    And just to top that off, CNN’s Wolf Blitzer inadvertantly gave away the REAL purpose of the game today. Having had this latest Fake News story exposed, he asked a colleague on air, “We’ve got nine days left. What do we do now?”

    Meanwhile Trump is filing a lawsuit against Buzzfeed with Peter Thiel’s help.
    …………….

    Director of National Intelligence James Clapper Resigns has submitted his resignation, sparking renewed calls for him to face perjury prosecution for lying under oath to the Senate in March 2013, when he was questioned by Senator Ron Wyden about the government’s secret surveillance program…. His resignation will be effective on Inauguration Day: January 20, 2017.
    https://www.democracynow.org/2016/11/18/headlines/intelligence_director_james_clapper_resigns

  28. catweazle666 says:

    Hey, anybody wanna buy a ‘Dodgy Dossier’?
    Choice of several, reduced for quick sale, apply 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington DC, USA.
    Offer closes 20/01/2017.

  29. p.g.sharrow says:

    Interesting that the heads of US government investigations want to investigate American patriots while working to clear known internationalist traitor/spies.

    The CIA and Department of State are known hot beds of Anti American Internationalists. Small wonder they fear the ascendance of America first patriots. These people were so sure that the Clinton syndicate would win that they were willing to do anything asked of them. Even now there are many that still believe the decision will be reversed.

    Prophecies say that “The Great Deceiver” would be replaced by a “Wise Old Man” or “The Beast” depending on your point of view. Trump could fit both of these descriptions. Hillary or her running mate could not fit that description.
    It would seem that the head Oligarch that has been working to help the Muslims has been assassinated by some of them.
    Now, “the Americans and Russians will ally to end this Muslim Jihad.”
    “The 12th Imam will teach Muslims to walk in the path of Jesus.”
    “The Wise Old Man will help set the world on a new and better path.”
    Buy more popcorn and watch the show.
    We live in interesting times….pg

  30. llanfar says:

    @p.g. I assume Nostradamus. Got a link?

  31. p.g.sharrow says:

    @Ilanfar, That would require you reading several books on Nostradamus and then you evaluate all that you have read;
    https://pgtruspace.wordpress.com/about/wizards-page/
    A place with links to start,

    Then there are books on, about, translations, interpretations. etc. mostly garbage in my opinion. This is the most published on theme after the Bible, since Gotenburg invented the printing press.
    The most interesting to me is “Conversations with Nostradamus” by Dolores Cannon, that follows a different vein, for it’s insight.
    Nostradamus said “500 years from his time, his work would be properly interpreted, Not by and educated man, and it would be of great comfort to people of that time.” it is time…pg

  32. Oliver K. Manuel says:

    Some of this nonsense might be stopped if Obama’s Nobel-prize winning Secretary of the US Department of Energy, a nuclear physicist named Steven Chu:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Chu

    publicly addressed the obvious error in logic in Weizsacker’s definition of “nuclear binding energy,” an error that effectively reversed the natural direction of nuclear evolution for the whole universe:

    _ a.) From compacted neutrons =(becoming)=> interstellar hydrogen atoms

    _ b.) To interstellar hydrogen =(becoming)=> compacted neutrons =(becoming)=> black holes,

    This intellectual absurdity became the consensus scientific model of an expanding universe in which entropy always increases for natural (spontaneous) processes.

    See Jon Rappoport’s blog,

    https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2016/12/31/warning-to-trump-dont-approve-gmo-pesticide-fda-horror-show/#comment-199361

    Or Joanne Nova’s blog,

    http://joannenova.com.au/2017/01/angus-campbell-chief-of-the-australian-army-planet-may-become-uninhabitable-in-many-places/#comment-1878665

  33. p.g.sharrow says:

    The problem with providing a link to a particular Quatrain is their construction. Each is 4 lines, of 2 sentences, not necessarily the same subject. Nostradamus was dodging the Inquisition when he created his books of prophecy. There is some unknown code to placement of the sentences to yield time,place,event. as well as people involved. Some parts are more plain then others and 500 of the total 780 years have passed. The 2 Great stones/rocks/mountains that clashed/crashed in the New City of the western nation, with great loss of life at the start of the 21th century is a very bright light in this tapestry.
    He also gives latitude as well as position. His astrological date seems to be off 1 cycle, about 12 years…pg

  34. p.g.sharrow says:

    an interesting prophecy article;

    http://www.wnd.com/2017/01/did-this-man-predict-trump-presidency-in-2007/

    singing prophet in Redding California 2007 on Trump presidency as well as the preceding Obamanation period…pg

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