Dividing The 9th

How would you do the division?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_Ninth_Circuit

The United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit (in case citations, 9th Cir.) is a U.S. Federal court with appellate jurisdiction over the district courts in the following districts:

District of Alaska
District of Arizona
Central District of California
Eastern District of California
Northern District of California
Southern District of California
District of Hawaii
District of Idaho
District of Montana
District of Nevada
District of Oregon
Eastern District of Washington
Western District of Washington

It also has appellate jurisdiction over the following territorial courts:

District of Guam
District of the Northern Mariana Islands

Now I could see an issue with carving out the liberal western districts in that you make an even MORE socialist / progressive court of appeals that will make even loonier rulings and be overturned even more. Yet the folks in the more conservative parts of this district have been having this crap shoved down their throats so long they would just love to be set free of it (and many cases about their local needs would be brought up their chain of courts anyway).

The present push is to split it in half. IMHO that doesn’t go far enough.

What would I do? Well, first off, I’d make the 12th out of:

District of Idaho
District of Montana
District of Nevada
District of Arizona
Eastern District of California
Eastern District of Washington

That lumps all of the mountain areas more or less together. If possible, split Oregon into east and west too, lumping the east in here.

In the 9th, I’d leave all the islands and Pacific Ocean / maritime oriented bits:

District of Alaska
District of Hawaii
District of Guam
District of the Northern Mariana Islands

These areas are highly interested in things having to do with ocean fishing rights and maritime law. Native rights cases too. I suspect they would put their new headquarters in Hawaii…

Then renumber the ‘rump’ of the 9th as the 13th district:

Central District of California
Northern District of California
Southern District of California
Western District of Washington
District of Oregon

If possible, put the new Western District of Oregon in here too. Further, I’d love to split off all the northern rural areas of the Northern District of California from it and put them in the 12th. That would leave the 13th with the SF to LA and related areas, mostly, and similar philosophical areas of Washington and Oregon.

For those who have not visited here, the large coastal cities of Washington, Oregon, and California tend to be very liberal / progressive / Democrat dominated; while the less populated rural inland areas tend much more to the conservative / Republican POV. There are variations, but not much. There is a constant resentment by the inland areas toward their domination by a few coastal elites in a few major cites. So my major goal in this division it to give those areas legal freedom from that domination, to the extent possible.

Note that the “Central” district is in fact down around L.A. as San Bernardino / Santa Barbara areas. Southern is the bit just below L.A., a very old view of California…

So why not put Alaska into the Mountain states? Mostly due to the largely empty inland and the huge coastline. It is much more coastal / ocean oriented in many ways and fisheries are a major industry.

So that’s my ‘cut’ at it. Other ideas?

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About E.M.Smith

A technical managerial sort interested in things from Stonehenge to computer science. My present "hot buttons' are the mythology of Climate Change and ancient metrology; but things change...
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7 Responses to Dividing The 9th

  1. philjourdan says:

    Are there any laws, or steadfast rules about how a court is structured geographically? I ask in reference to your comment about northern California.

  2. Gail Combs says:

    Phil it is set by Congress. Congress can change the number of federal courts as they wish OR disband OR restrict what they may rule on.

    Songbird McCain and the Flake have a bill in Congress to do so. Give those two (Paid by Soros) I mistrust the bill.

  3. philjourdan says:

    I know that part. But does the legislation restrict the geographical make up of each court? While the worry stated is that lumping all the looney tune leftists into one court would make it a kangaroo court, it would serve the purpose of allowing the rest of the nation some relief from their antics.

  4. cdquarles says:

    Phil, take a look at this, from my state: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courts_of_Alabama. There are three Districts, Northern, Middle and Southern. Within them, there are sub-districts.

  5. cdquarles says:

    Ugh, I didn’t check to see if that link listed the Appellate District. I’m in the 11th Circuit, if I am remembering correctly.

  6. Terry Jay says:

    Alaskans like a warm vacation, Hawaii is fine for that, but so is Arizona. Alaska open carry and strong hunting does not play well with either the 9th Circuit or the Pacific Islands’ version of the 2nd Amendment. Alaska’s usual Big Issue is Federal land management. Put them in with Montana and Idaho and Nevada and Arizona. The ideal 9th would include WA along I5 between Everett and Olympia, Oregon along I5 from Portland to Eugene, California from Napa and Sonoma counties south to San Diego and include only counties bordering the ocean, plus the Pacific Islands, including Hawaii.

    An aside, there was a book many years ago proposing a rearrangement of borders with several Canadian provinces joining several US states. The current view of that proposal would put the US 3 West Coast states and BC in one bucket, and most of the central continent in a second bucket, and the eastern section in a third bucket. Wonder what that will look like 50 years hence.

  7. gallopingcamel says:

    Trump may be able to drain parts of the swamp. If he wants to drain the judicial swamp he will need help from congress and that does not seem likely given the wobbly nature of the GOP’s “Leadership”.

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