W.O.O.D. – 27 October 2017

This is another of the W.O.O.D. series of semi-regular
Weekly Occasional Open Discussions.
(i.e. if I forget and skip one, no big)

Immediate prior one here:
and remains open for threads running there
(at least until the ‘several month’ auto-close of comments on stale threads).

Canonical list of old ones here: https://chiefio.wordpress.com/category/w-o-o-d/

So use “Tips” for “Oooh, look at the interesting ponder thing!”
and “W.O.O.D” for “Did you see what just happened?! What did you think about it?”

For this week, I’m just going to say that it’s gotten interesting in the world, in a hurry. We’ve already got an open thread for Catalonia, and for Hillary and the Russia Did It lie. I’m sure there’s other stuff breaking too, but right now I need to go make lunch and watch the news to find out what ;-)

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171 Responses to W.O.O.D. – 27 October 2017

  1. philjourdan says:

    3rd Drip – NFL. Trump jumps on the Anthem side, the YSM, the left and half of the republicans jump on him. But the NFL is losing more and more.

    You would think after a spanking, the left would wake up. After the second, they would smell a trap. We are well over 3 into it now, and the left is as clueless as they were a year ago.

    I am investing in popcorn futures.

    Hint to the YSM – there is a reason they call it the SILENT majority. You do not find them on TV or at Antifa rallies.

  2. Larry Ledwick says:

    Oh you will see them at Antifa rallys occasionally they will be the guys leaning against a wall so their back is covered and their arms crossed watching the action with a dead pan expression on their face. They observe for a while assess the situation and decide they are not interested in this game and disengage.

    I have made the same observation, folks on the left confuse silence with inaction or lack of interest.
    They don’t seem to understand the concepts of “wait and see” or “first do no harm” their only acceptable response to something that bothers them is to “Do something!!!” (even if it is wrong and counter productive).

  3. Larry Ledwick says:

    From twitter:

  4. Larry Ledwick says:

    Apparently Mueller investigation has its first indictment in hand but details have not been released.


  5. jim2 says:

    Notice now that Mueller’s attention is focused on some dimowits, we now begin to hear call for him to step down. Yeah, right.

  6. Larry Ledwick says:

    I am red green colorblind and I got the chance to try out those glasses. They do work but it was not so dramatic that I wanted to cry or freak out. Cool tech but not $350 cool.

    If you can find the right shade of brown sunglasses you can get a significant fraction of the effect their magic glasses give you but colors are not true.

    The trick as mentioned in the article is that the lenses preferentially block a narrow band of light colors that corresponds with the over lap in cone sensitivity allowing the brain to have non-conflicting signals to work with.

    I will wait for the price to come down to the mid $100 range then I will pick up a pair.

  7. Larry Ledwick says:

    Twitter is lighting up tonight with all the speculation on who got indicted.

    New York Post has this – I wonder if it is a clue?


    I suspect they will indict several small fish before they go for the big fish to build the case and maintain leverage for disclosure of what they know, so this is most likely a peripheral figure who has close connections to a lot of the players.

  8. Larry Ledwick says:

    Well I suspect this will stir the pot a bit.


    To make it happen Congress would have to change this law I believe as it is the legal basis for the selective service system.

    10 U.S.C. § 311 – U.S. Code – Unannotated Title 10. Armed Forces § 311. Militia:  composition and classes

    The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32 , under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

     The classes of the militia are–

     the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia;  and

     the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

    Right now the only women subject to call up I believe, are retired female military veterans and women in the National Guard.

  9. Another Ian says:

    “Lessons in Swamp Manuevers: Trump -vs- Clinton -vs- Mueller -vs- Sessions -vs- Rosenstein -vs- Comey, etc.”


  10. jim2 says:

    RE: thread standards.

  11. jim2 says:

    @Another Ian
    Interesting hypothesis, but the fact is the witness was cleared to testify before Mueller leaked the impending indictment. So, that gives him no cover if that was his objective. Whatever the witness reveals won’t be viewed as revenge.

  12. jim2 says:

    “Colorado is one of more than twenty states where incumbent broadband ISPs have quite literally written and purchased state protectionist laws prohibiting towns and cities from getting into the broadband business, even in instances where the private sector has failed to deliver. But Colorado is unique in that town and cities in the state have been able to vote locally on whether to overturn this ISP-lobbying-for- law, SB 152. And guess what? They keep voting to exempt themselves from the law, usually overwhelmingly. ”


  13. Larry Ledwick says:

    Hmmm I just noticed something on twitter – no one with direct connection to the Trump administration is even mentioning the leak of grand jury proceedings and an indictment coming down, let alone complaining about it.

    A few pro-Trump folks on twitter have mentioned it but not anyone who is hard wired into the administration or members of the Trump family.

    It is almost as if they wanted that info leak to happen so they could watch the cockroaches scurry over the weekend.

    I wonder who suddenly remembered they had business in some non-extradition country yesterday?

  14. jim2 says:

    The shyte is about to hit the fhan:

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The U.S. House Intelligence Committee on Saturday said it had reached an agreement related to its subpoena of a Washington research firm’s bank records that would secure access to records for the panel’s probe of Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election.


  15. Larry Ledwick says:

    Ever wonder what the cosmic ray dose rate is at various altitudes and how it changes with time?
    This product documents at 13% increase in cosmic ray exposure since 2015
    source [http://www.spaceweather.com/]


    This plot displays radiation measurements not only in the stratosphere, but also at aviation altitudes. Dose rates are expessed as multiples of sea level. For instance, we see that boarding a plane that flies at 25,000 feet exposes passengers to dose rates ~10x higher than sea level. At 40,000 feet, the multiplier is closer to 50x. These measurements are made by our usual cosmic ray payload as it passes through aviation altitudes en route to the stratosphere over California.

    What is this all about? Approximately once a week, Spaceweather.com and the students of Earth to Sky Calculus fly space weather balloons to the stratosphere over California. These balloons are equipped with radiation sensors that detect cosmic rays, a surprisingly “down to Earth” form of space weather. Cosmic rays can seed clouds, trigger lightning, and penetrate commercial airplanes. Furthermore, there are studies ( #1, #2, #3, #4) linking cosmic rays with cardiac arrhythmias and sudden cardiac death in the general population. Our latest measurements show that cosmic rays are intensifying, with an increase of more than 13% since 2015:

  16. E.M.Smith says:


    Current speculation is that we find out Monday who is being indicted… I’m hoping it turns out to be someone in the DNC for funding the Peeing Prostitutes garbage. My fear is it will be a Trump Staffer or relative for having a business meeting with Russians that went nowhere. (i.e. Russians saying “You want build hotel Moscow?” and Trump(s) saying “Kinda busy now, but thanks for thinking of us. Gotta go.”

    The present “Are you now or have you ever been a Vodka drinker?” witch hunt is just nauseating, It would restore my faith in the system (at least to some degree) if they indicted the Dirty Tricks Department of the DNC / Hillary Inc. I’m not holding my breath… Just impatiently tapping my fingers until Monday…

  17. E.M.Smith says:


    The cosmic rays thing has me thinking… I’m not sure what I’m thinking yet, but it has me going…

    Changed water vapor? Just the lack of solar wind letting more in? Change of atmosphere height causing more CR at any given altitude? (Though near sea level ought not to change). ????

    Impact on weather?

  18. p.g.sharrow says:

    speculation on cause and effect of changes in Cosmic Ray flux sounds like fun…pg

  19. David A says:

    Regarding the increase in cosmic rays, what changes in earth’s magnetic fuel have occurred during this time?

  20. John F. Hultquist says:

    Cosmic rays and the heart. Wife had heart issues because of rheumatic fever. She needed a valve replacement but had a blockage and double bypass, damage, severe complications, and then the new valve and an implantable cardioverter defibrillators (ICD).
    At the time (2009), I read for hours about how the heart works and the signaling that goes on therein to maintain sinus rhythm. I even obtained and dissected two beef hearts to look for the parts I read about.
    Fascinating stuff.
    For the last couple of years my reading has been directed elsewhere.
    So back at it. Thanks for the information.

  21. David A says:

    “”According to scientists’ best estimates, the field is now weakening around 10 times faster than initially thought, losing approximately 5 percent of its strength every decade. But they don’t really know why, or what that means for our planet.

  22. Larry Ledwick says:

    Since the geomagnetic field is supposed to be driven by motions of the magma and motions of the magma are supposedly driven by convection, these changes may be the result of changes in mass heat flow of the mantle. Like a coffee percolator, over time different areas will develop hotspots and drive accelerations of convection or cool spots causing a slowing of the convection motion.

    If core temperature is primarily the result of residual gravitational heating from the formation of the planet and residual long term heating by radioactive decay the heat input should be relatively uniform over very long periods of time.

    If however there is some external energy input (planetary gravitational tide mixing, or electrical resistance heating due to electrical currents driven by the sun and general electrical balance of the local region of space, it might change slowly over time as the solar system moves around the galaxy, or planetary motions slowly change the gravitational stirring of the molten core.

    The heat flux in the magma might also change not from changes in the heat input but due to changes in local cooling on the surface changing the convection as it tries to warm that cold spot.

    We know very little about the long term geological heat flow into the deep ocean and how that might change as the 800 year convection cycle of the Thermohaline circulation changes over time, but that might also cause cycles of heating and cooling in the magma. The heat flux may also change over long periods of time due to the changes in the crust caused by continental drift slowly changing where the magma is cooled by the deep ocean and insulated by thick continental rock.

    The huge energies released by major earth quakes must also cause changes in the thermal heat flow in the upper crust as large blocks of rock are slowly compressed then suddenly unloaded as the blocks slip past each other during quakes. Large amounts of energy are stored as crystal strain in the solid rocks then suddenly released as those strains are released. Some of that energy will be released as piezoelectric currents, so by sudden motions of the magma as the structure of the earth “rings” as the quake energy ripples through the molten and semimolten deep crust. It is even possible that some chemical phase change energy is released as those strains are relaxed and deep pressures change forcing crystalline changes in the magma and high temperature near molten rocks deep in the crust.

    We see some evidence of these sort of long term magmatic changes in places like Yellowstone caldera and Long Valley Caldera-Mammoth Mountain where wide areas of terrain are lifted and then slowly relax as conditions change locally.

  23. jim2 says:

    Cosmic rays increase when the Sun’s magnetic field decreases. When the Sun’s field is strong, it deflects charged particles. You can see this effect in cloud chamber pictures. Of course the magnetic field in the picture is much stronger than that of the Sun, but in the case of the Sun, the magnetic field acts over a greater distance.


    What with the Sun at low (and lowering) activity, we are seeing the effect of that I think. At least, that’s my understanding of this.

  24. jim2 says:

    ““In astroparticle physics, we mostly have to rely on assumptions and indications. For the first time now, it is significant that a preferred direction exists from which the rays arrive. This is a very important step in our research,” said Dr. Markus Roth, Deputy Head of the Pierre Auger Group of KIT’s Institute for Nuclear Physics.”


  25. jim2 says:

    “San Francisco company Purism announced that they are now offering their Librem laptops with the Intel Management Engine disabled,” writes Slashdot reader boudie2. Purism describes Management Engine as “a separate CPU that can run and control a computer even when powered off.”

    HardOCP reports that Management Engine “is widely despised by security professionals and privacy advocates because it relies on signed and secret Intel code, isn’t easily alterable, isn’t fully documented, and has been found to be vulnerable to exploitation… In short, it’s a tiny potentially hackable computer in your computer that you cannot totally control, nor opt-out of, but it can totally control your system.”


  26. jim2 says:

    There also a link between the solar wind and cosmic rays:

    “The main reason why the cosmic rays are intensifying is the Sun, he says. Solar storm clouds such as coronal mass ejections (CMEs) sweep aside cosmic rays when they pass by Earth. During Solar Maximum, CMEs are abundant and cosmic rays are held at bay. Now, however, the solar cycle is swinging toward Solar Minimum, allowing cosmic rays to return. Another reason could be the weakening of Earth’s magnetic field, which helps protect us from deep-space radiation.”


  27. Larry Ledwick says:

    Finally someone inside the adminstration voices concern over the grand jury indictment leak. Still not someone inside the white house but at least a major player in the corruption investigation efforts. Trey Goudy says someone had to violate the law for that indictment to be leaked.


    Now the question is – is this just a timing thing to bring that fact to the public attention since the feeding frenzy over this news has largely dissipated?

    This might be a CNN driven fake leak just to drive clicks on their site, might be a true leak from some insider, might be a fake leak by the administration to manipulate the media, might be an intentional leak by some pro-Hillary insider to bury the Uranium 1 scandal in the press by papering over it with another hot news item.

    We will probably find out if the leak is validated or fizzles out tomorrow.

  28. jim2 says:

    @LL – all news is competing with the JFK files release. Do you think the timing of that was intentional? BTW Todd on Meet the Press said, if I understood correctly, that they had verified the indictment leak. I saw Gowdy on Fox News talk about the illegality of the leak. We may see Dimowits, Redimowits, and some of Mueller’s team go to jail :)

  29. Lionell Griffith says:

    “We may see Dimowits, Redimowits, and some of Mueller’s team go to jail”

    Not nearly enough and totally not soon enough. There has been an over 100 year attempt to take over our form of government and to establish the regressive progressives as dictators of everything. It is way past time for the situation to be corrected.

  30. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting article on Russia’s efforts to polish and refine their hybrid warfare tactics in Ukraine.
    Also adds some info on the basis for the prohibition of Kaspersky antivirus by the US Govt, and the hybrid warfare aspect of Russian internet media like RT and Sputnik.


  31. Larry Ledwick says:

    The release of JFK files was mandated by a 1992 law, but as always the fine timing (which day which hour, and what setup info is pushed out before the release) was of course managed by the administration to their benefit. We won’t know the exact strategy for a long time though, until the chain of events plays out and insider info gets disclosed in future books and media interviews.

    I have adopted the skeptics view on all “news”, first of all, don’t accept any of it at face value – even news from what you believe are trustworthy sites, understand that your view might be incorrect and there might be another agenda at play you don’t recognize, always ask who benefits from this piece of news (and what would be dominating the news cycle if this news release did not happen). Don’t get tunnel vision regarding the current hot breaking news, and look behind the curtain to see what is going on in the shadows while everyone is blinded by the glare of the search lights.

    Lastly recognize that all strategy is not short term, some events might be preparing the battlefield for a future event we know nothing about right now. (think Sun Tzu)

  32. Lionell Griffith says:

    “…recognize that all strategy is not short term, some events might be preparing the battlefield for a future event we know nothing about right now.”

    A strategy is strategy only if it is long term. Tactics is the short term expression of strategy. The strategy of the left was set a long time ago in the works of the anti-mind philosophers who set out to destroy reason and to free the mindless brute from the bounds of reality. The so called post modern philosophy is simply its current expression. Its ultimate end is the destruction of the good because it is good. The death of the mind of man and of man himself is their goal.

    To know the tactics, I suggest studying the underlying premises they use to guide their substitute for thought, drive their choices, and motivate their actions. Once you know that, the outline and many details of the future they plan and the tactics they will use to try to make it happen will become transparent. The future that actually happens will be determined more by what is than what they expect. What they believe to be true will determine their reactions to events as they unfold.

    Truth is agreement.
    To feel is to know.
    Weakness is strength.
    Freedom is slavery.
    Poverty is wealth.
    Ignorance is wisdom.
    Words create reality.
    My demand is your duty.
    And many more.

    The leftist’s mindless scream fest that is scheduled for Nov 4 is fully consistent with their underlying premises and just as futile in its impact on the future. They expect their expression of anguish will give them the power to be invincible. Similar to a three year old’s screaming tantrum is to have power over a parent. Reality ignores their screams as would any person or parent in contact with reality. It is nothing but a demonstration of their disconnect with anything real. They are irrelevant except for the destruction they cause in the process exercising their futility.

    How to fight them? Stop feeding them. They will soon find their own end.

  33. jim2 says:

    @Larry Ledwick – Oddly enouogh, I was just thinking about an hour or two ago that you can’t take anything you see or read in the media at face value, whether right, left, or in between. If it’s important to you, you have to dig and verify. I learned that in the climate wars. Read some of the papers instead of taking someone else’s opinion on it. Of course, time is limited, so one can’t do that in every case.

  34. Larry Ledwick says:

    Read some of the papers instead of taking someone else’s opinion on it. Of course, time is limited, so one can’t do that in every case.

    But after doing that for a while you can assign trustworthy scores to various sources consistent with your experience validating their statements. Some you can almost trust completely, some you can trust most of the time as long as they are not talking about x hot button issue, and most you start with a default ( this might be true but let me run some checks), then another group, if they write something you can assume it is misleading or a flat out lie.

    Then you can focus your truth detector efforts on those that need it most and hang around with a group like here where if they find something fishy they will pass it on so you get the benefit of crowd sourcing from multiple view points and experience bases.

  35. Another Ian says:

    “Pilot: “How old are you?” “Five years and 11 months.” ”

    Link at


  36. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting article with a behind the scenes look at John Boehner and our political environment.

    Worth reading and some pondering, how forces outside the individual shape our government and our reality. The current reality is like herding cats and not every outcome is intended by the players involved.


  37. John F. Hultquist says:

    JFK files and the timing of the release:
    The release was mandated by a 1992 act of Congress that was meant to finally empty the official cupboards of classified material that had been shrouded in controversy and hearsay for decades. The President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Act, signed by President George H.W. Bush on Oct. 26, 1992, required that “each assassination record shall be publicly disclosed in full … no later than the date that is 25 years after the date” of its enactment.

  38. Larry Ledwick says:

    Per CNN on the indictments:

    Washington (CNN)Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and former Trump campaign official Rick Gates surrendered Monday to Justice Department special counsel Robert Mueller.

    The indictment against the two men contains 12 counts: conspiracy against the United States, conspiracy to launder money, unregistered agent of a foreign principal, false and misleading US Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) statements, false statements, and seven counts of failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts.


  39. Another Ian says:


    Another Javier – To sort of quote G & S “He’s got a little list”

    “Here, for the first time in public, is Javier’s entire collection of massive, “consensus” climate science prediction failures. This collection is carefully selected from only academics or high-ranking officials, as reported in the press or scientific journals. Rather than being exhaustive, this is a list of fully referenced arguments that shows that consensus climate science usually gets things wrong, and thus their predictions cannot be trusted.”


  40. cdquarles says:

    I am considering ditching gmail. Any suggestions? I’ll keep my android phone, for now. I am considering scrubbing anything Google related from it.

  41. E.M.Smith says:


    The ideal email service would run directly on your machine only, and would be encrypted end to end with PGP or similar seamlessly. The ideal email does not exist unless you do a lot of work. (The biggest load for me was the constant maintenance on the SPAM filters. I ran my own email server up until about 6? years ago.)

    For a while I played with some overseas services with encryption (and outside US FISA et. al.). It had this nasty tendency to send me SPAM. Not much, not fast. But since the only thing I’d used it for was email to / from me on other services, clearly someone was harvesting the address.

    IMHO, if you are not doing public key encryption on all your email, then you are open to observation by a whole slew of actors. Essentially you are only choosing what TLAs gather all your email.

    I have 3 email accounts. One is for wide public use. Anyone demands an email they get that one. Another is for “vetted” folks only. Then the third is “experimental and very private”. Sporadically used at best. In reserve, as it were. Oh, and there are two other email addresses I never read. Each one from two of the big vendors (gmail is one). Something really wanted me to have an email to get some service, so it got a never used junk one ;-) DirecTV wanted one for some use of internet TV, so there’s a never used address that is known to them. Nobody else knows it exists. Nothing ties it to me other than DirecTV. So DirecTV knows what I watch (or used to watch…) and can tell folks to SPAM me there, and I don’t care…

    I’m likely approaching the point where I need to “rotate email accounts” again. Once some of them get cluttered with trash enough, I throw the lot away and start over.

    Since I’ve come to despise email and resent the time suck of it and the intrusive government overreach into it, and the corporate mining of it, I generally check email about once every month or three, wether it needs it or not. ;-) That mostly being to toss out all the crap. (Any “agency” monitoring my email can deal with the same flood of SPAM and crap mail …

    For those reasons, I really don’t care who’s the email supplier as long as they work, are free, and I can get a short name ;-) Decent SPAM suppression also a factor. Turns out AOL has been good enough at that. (It also causes a lot of folks to not email me as they think anyone with an AOL account isn’t of interest ;-) Over the years I’ve used several other vendors. Best. Earthlink. GMX. etc. Earthlink was incredibly SPAM heavy (so I had to do my own SPAM filtering server).

    The workload to set up proper keyrings and PGP email clients, then getting all the folks you email to use it too is just too high a hurdle. Some day someone will automate it all (with your public key embedded in all outgoing email and automagically used for reply email from anyone with whom you communicate); but we’re not there yet.

    Furthermore, IF you register your own domain, all that info is public. It includes contact info like name, email, phone, and address. So until you have a corporate shell or at least a burner phone and mail drop box, any personal domain reg exposes your PII (Personal Identifying Information) to scoundrels globally. While at one time I had my own domains, I dropped them some decades back for just that reason. But, someday, when I’ve got enough of the pseudo-me shell, I’d set up my own domain and have my own email server and simply use a white list. You want to send me email, we talk first, and I’ll add you to my white list. End of SPAM problem ;-)

    So, sorry to be so dismal about it, but IMHO, email has been made a liability instead of an advantage by the combined efforts of the SPAMers, the TLAs, Government mandates, and corporate abusers. I now only use it as folks demand I have it. It is easier to give them an address that substantially fails their expectations than to fight them about it. (Being “on the hook” for prison time if I failed to preserve the corporate email for 5 years, at a company that only existed for 3 and might be gone next year, was one such Government mandate…)

    So what email is best? IMHO, none of them. They are not private. They are not secure. They do not suppress SPAM enough (and many promote it). They mostly benefit the government and companies, not me.

  42. Larry Ledwick says:

    Well it appears that the DNC, Obama and Hillary paid the folks responsible for the dossier almost 11.5 million dollars in total to entities with ties to Russia (not counting the Podesta brothers).

    Perkins Coie funneled money to Fusion GPS, the creators of the dossier.

    “Obama For America” paid approximately $972,000 to Perkins Coie
    Hillary Clinton’s FEC filings show that she paid nearly $5.1M to Perkins Coie in
    exchange for the information in 2016
    DNC paid out nearly $5.4M

  43. E.M.Smith says:

    Odd… I’ve just had several “Ooops! Can’t Find it!” loads on BigCharts. Each time, sending the graph request again succeeded. Looks like some kind of either volume related failure (DDS or just swamped) or a DNS attack “out there” somewhere.

    Might be worth putting up your antennae and being sensitive to what’s in the wind today.

    UPDATE: Just changed my “Dirty Driver” to use my caching DNS server (it was defaulting to the DHCP telco router) and now there are no failures. Now it could be that some volume related thing changed while I was changing my DNS pointer, but I’m suspecting some DNS issues “in the wind”, maybe, perhaps… At any rate, I’m going to just run this way and ignore things for now.

  44. Larry Ledwick says:

    Looks like info is getting out regarding a North Korean Nuclear testing accident on Oct 10, seems that “unexplained” earthquake was a major collapse of one of their testing tunnels and likely has shut down their testing efforts for some time. If the collapse vented it will also release enough radiation to help intelligence agencies get a better picture of their device construction and methods based on the decay products released.


  45. cdquarles says:

    Thanks, EM. That sentiment is why I’ve not cared to change anything. WRT the TLAs, I’ve long known that they’re not trustworthy. Still, if I am acting in public, I know that I have no right to privacy. I was made very aware of that when I had to get transmitter licenses for CB radio communication or for remotely controlling aircraft. A right to be secure in my person, papers and property is one thing; but that is not the same thing as privacy.

  46. Larry Ledwick says:

    Holy cow big move by the EPA administrator!

    Environmental Protection Agency administrator Scott Pruitt … announcing a new conflict of interest policy that prevents individuals sitting on EPA scientific boards from receiving grants from the agency.

    Under the last three years of the Obama administration, members sitting on just three of the agency’s scientific advisory boards received $77 million in EPA grants. Pruitt said individuals advising in policy and regulatory matters should be completely independent of the EPA.


  47. E.M.Smith says:

    Is that screaming the sound of swamp critters suffering money withdrawal? :-)

  48. Another Ian says:

    Lest we forget

    “On this day, 500 years ago, the Protestant Reformation began.”


  49. Another Ian says:

    “Karl Marx, not Adolf Hiter, was arguably the most destructive German ever born”


    And comments

  50. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting read on blackswan events.


  51. Larry Ledwick says:

    Apparently Iceland has a couple of its volcanoes which are showing signs of possible near term activity. Both Bárðarbunga and Öræfajökull have had some recent activity.

    So far nothing dramatic.


  52. Larry Ledwick says:

    You never know what you can trust from the likes of 4chan and /poll/ but just throw this out for your reading pleasure. The narrative makes sense to me, but have no clue how legitimate this is.

  53. Larry Ledwick says:

    Not a big surprise at all, quite the contrary, this should have been common knowledge to lots of folks if they were paying attention. Nice to see a media outlet take the time to show how provokistasia works.


  54. Larry Ledwick says:

    Multiple shooting here in north Metro Denver area Walmart, national news is making it sound like some huge active shooter situation – it is not!
    So far 2 males confirmed dead dead one woman injured and transported approx 6-8 rounds fired.

    My guess given the location, is some local gang feud or love triangle type deal neighborhood feud of some kind.

  55. E.M.Smith says:


    From that Black Swan read, the Luther quote:

    “Unless I am convinced by the testimony of the Scriptures or by clear reason (for I do not trust either in the pope or in councils alone, since it is well known that they have often erred and contradicted themselves), I am bound by the Scriptures I have quoted and my conscience is captive to the Word of God … Here I stand. I can do no other.”

    is oddly similar to my attitude about most anything technical / science / reason related; and especially so about the whole Global Warming Movement. It could easily be slightly rephrased to reflect my thinking mode:

    Unless I am convinced by the testimony of the Original Data or by clear reason (for I do not trust either in the IPCC or in the researchers alone, since it is well known that they have often erred and contradicted themselves), I am bound by the Original Data I have quoted and my conscience is captive to the Logic of Science … Here I stand. I can do no other.

    Kind of gratifying, that. Nice to be in such company in tidy mind land.

    All the 97% Trolling. All the vindictive slander. All the social coercion and threatened excommunication from the body politic. All the badly reasoned expositions called ‘climate science’ and (failed) models. It is all for nought. Just give me the untainted data and I’ll process it for myself, thanks. Interlocutors not required (or useful).

    I think that’s what drives the Warmistas bat shit crazy. They tend to be all about ‘word of authority’ and social status (and manipulation and virtue signaling and…) and being chummy with the “in group” and spitting on the “out group”. They just don’t get it when someone else doesn’t give a damn about any of that. Just show me the data and leave me alone… I’m comfortable being alone. An “opinion of one” is kind of like an “army of one” in some ways… ;-)

    I don’t just absorb opinions from others. I don’t just accept the word of authority (for is is as often wrong as right). I don’t care who else shares my opinion ( I’d rather share my methods and data and see what conclusions they reach, and compare their methods to mine). I see a large and intricate Fundamental Reality and all that matters is understanding it and how the parts integrate. Things that “don’t fit” are usually wrong (though sometimes mean another of the already fitted puzzle pieces is out of place or not quite right) so are NOT accepted until / unless a review of the non-fit problem shows something else was awry.

    A disjoint body of knowledge is flagged as “interesting and preliminary” until it is shown how to attach it to the rest of the puzzle. (So I don’t just toss out as trash things like UFO reports or “non-standard mathematics” when first encountered; just flag as “interesting and preliminary”. Then if UFOs do show up, I’m not surprised, and if the story breaks that D&B made crop circles with walking boards then I can integrate Crop Circles as “pranks” into the known body of knowledge.)

    At first, I saw Global Warming as “interesting and preliminary” and started a Dig Here! on it. When asking reasonable nooby questions at Warmer sites, I was ridiculed as a “denier”. To me, that substitution of social pressure for reasoned answer was a giant red flag. (A minor red flag was the “go read these 200 pages of dense philosophizing” rather than a one line answer to a simple question. A propaganda laden dodge.) The more I dug into it the more I found the “200 pages” was often filled with logic faults (non-sequitur where the conclusion does not flow from the data or logic, and more) or was just a ‘rah rah’ piece pushing a POV or fear mongering. At skeptic sites, I got decent answers and pointers to methods & data… After a year or two I was able to “integrate global warming” into the existing puzzle base. It connects as Political Manipulation Fraud and Money Machine Corruption. Not as real science. Oh Well. Here I stand. I can do no other.

  56. Another Ian says:

    This sounds like some people I know

    Why old men don’ get hired

    Human Resources Manager “What is your greatest weakness”?

    Old Man “Honesty”.

    Human Resources Manager “I don’t think honesty is a weakness”.

    Old Man “I don’t give a toss what you think”.

    (From an email just received)

  57. Larry Ledwick says:

    A quick summary look at the changes in China’s world view and the onset of a new cycle of building and consolidation of power in China, both economic, and military as it changes its approach to world affairs.


  58. Another Ian says:

    Bill’s Wife
    By Kate on November 2, 2017 10:30 AM | 17 Comments

    Methinks Hillary opened her fat blame yap just once too often.”


    And comments

  59. Another Ian says:

    Combined ev news and stock tips?


    And comments

  60. Larry Ledwick says:

    In the ancient archeological discoveries category we have a possible new cavity discovered inside the great pyramid by cosmic ray muon radiography.


  61. Larry Ledwick says:

    Hmmmm –

    From twitter:
    Sharyl Attkisson‏Verified account @SharylAttkisson 19 minutes ago

    *NEW IRS Commissioner* President @realDonaldTrump told me he’s selected a new IRS commissioner. Name to be announced in near future. My interview with the President Sunday on @FullMeasureNews

  62. jim2 says:

    Any thoughts on this?

    “While we can expect individual months to have rather large differences between surface and tropospheric temperature anomalies (due to the time lag involved in excess surface warming to lead to increased convection and tropospheric heating), some of the differences in the above plot are disturbingly large and persistent. ”


  63. Democrats are claiming that the middle class faces tax increases if Trump’s tax reform happens.

    This total BS. Based on my 2016 income I would save $864. OK that is less than the $1,200 claimed by the chairman of the “Ways & Means” committee but it is close enough for government work!

    If this tax plan goes down in flames we need to organize a march on Washington and refuse to leave until the GOP hold outs surrender.

  64. Another Ian,
    Loved that last comment……..I resemble that!

  65. Another Ian,
    I mean the comment about why old people don’t get hired.

  66. @Chiefio,
    Loved your metaphors. Pope vs. Martin Luther. IPCC vs. climate realists.

    Al Gore and his “Carbon Credits” are like the Indulgences sold by the corrupt Medieval church.

    Paying high prices for electricity is like flagellation…….pointless pain.

  67. Larry Ledwick says:

    Oh this is sweet HRC getting the Democratic Woman of the Year award on the same day, Donna Brazil, etc. yank the rug out from under her. It will be hard to smile for the cameras with those knives in her back.

  68. Larry Ledwick says:

    Funny from twitter – (probably fake /sarc )

  69. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting thought prompted by this twitter post:
    NewEnglandDevil‏ @NewEnglandDevil

    Civil asset forfeiture.
    Early in admin Sessions kept this in place much to chagrin of many conservatives/libertarians.

    If they find the Clinton foundation and all their pay for play speeches were a criminal enterprise, under asset forfeiture they could seize every penny and property the Clinton’s have.

  70. jim2 says:

    Dimowits like Schumer are saying a lot of things about the tax proposal, but not usually what’s really on their minds – the reduction of tax favors for state taxes of various sorts. Hits NY and Cali hard – but hope CIO fares well.

    I’m luvin’ it!

  71. A C Osborn says:

    “jim2 says: 3 November 2017 at 12:19 am
    Any thoughts on this?
    “While we can expect individual months to have rather large differences between surface and tropospheric temperature anomalies (due to the time lag involved in excess surface warming to lead to increased convection and tropospheric heating), some of the differences in the above plot are disturbingly large and persistent. ”

    I have been saying for years that the Satellite values bear no relationship to what we have at the Surface, especially when we have Record Breaking Cold in NH and it shows a warm Anomaly.
    I am now convinced that what they are measuring is the Energy escaping to space, ie they are measuring the Earth cooling itself.

  72. jim2 says:

    @Another Ian

    Have you seen McIntyre’s analysis of the DNC hack? The Russians can’t be fingered.

    As to the entire Brazile book, I’ve been thinking about it. I’m starting to believe this rather hastily written book is an attempt partly to get out in front of the various investigations and partly to mollify Bernie supporters. As in “we effed up, we admit it, we have gone to rehab, and now we are a shiny, fun but serious kind of party you will enjoy having a beer with.” The reality is the leopard can’t change its spots. They just want to get elected. And if they do, they will continue to lie, cheat, steal, and trample the Constitution all the way to the Soros-“enhanced” Dimowit Utopia.

  73. jim2 says:

    @A C Osborn

    Well, we do know the surface temperature construction is a mess. Just ask CIO ;) I’m thinking the difference might lie in the ocean surface temp, since that’s got the least coverage. But the UAH dataset might show that. Haven’t looked.

  74. Larry Ledwick says:

    On DWS, her behavior makes me suspect there is still something hiding in the closet. Some really nasty political game/scam/dirty deal. Obama is uncharacteristically quiet about all this. They are neither attacking the information in Brazil’s book or creating chaos someplace else to distract.

    Although that may change with the Nov 4 plans by ANTIFA.

    I just have this ominous feeling that in the back rooms they are fighting to hide something else even worse than what we know (like they have been fully penetrated by the Russians and someone in the leadership is a Russian Mole and there is some other Clinton scandal yet to be revealed.

  75. jim2 says:

    Larry Ledwick says: I just have this ominous feeling that in the back rooms they are fighting to hide something else even worse
    Like Obama is actually George Soros dressed like a black man?

  76. p.g.sharrow says:

    Could be that the ObamaNation is attempting to break the back of Clinton Machine control over the Democratic Party so that the Obamas can take control of it.
    This fight will destroy them all…..About time.
    Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad….pg

  77. p.g.sharrow says:

    Barrack is a slick talking empty suit. A front man for the congame of the Soros socialist take over and destruction of America.
    This blow up will result in each side of the fight for control over Democrats using their insider information on the sleaze to attack the others operations.
    WE WIN as they destroy each other in the public’s view…pg

  78. Larry Ledwick says:

    Best summary I have seen on twitter:

    Bill Mitchell‏Verified account @mitchellvii 2 hours ago

    The Democrats aren’t imploding. They have no ‘plode left. It’s more like sitting on a whoopee cushion…

  79. philjourdan says:

    @Another Ian and Galloping Camel – Re: Why old folks do not get hired.

    Yep! Fits me as well.

  80. Larry Ledwick says:

    On second thought best summary (Donna Brazil in back ground , Hillary in front)

  81. cdquarles says:

    @ Jim2 “Any thoughts on this?

    “While we can expect individual months to have rather large differences between surface and tropospheric temperature anomalies (due to the time lag involved in excess surface warming to lead to increased convection and tropospheric heating), some of the differences in the above plot are disturbingly large and persistent. ””

    For one, the satellites are EMR detectors. They can’t tell the difference, directly, between a scattered photon, a reflected photon and a re-emitted one. 2. Heat is kinetic energy and light is EM radiated energy, so 3. Light is not heat, though light can be converted to heat and heat into light. 4. The model used to invert the system from EM intensity and/or flux to a thermodynamic temperature is akin to the ideal gas laws. Real gases don’t follow the ideal gas law exactly and thus the inversion has more uncertainty than the typical presentation shows.

    Therefore I say that the “disturbingly large and persistent difference” are there due to model errors.

  82. jim2 says:

    I haven’t dug into the sat temp code, so I can’t comment on the results. The theory seems sound, but no measurement technique is perfect. It’s my understanding the results correlate well with radiosonde measurements, so that would boost my confidence in the technique.

  83. jim2 says:

    Sorry that should have been I can’t comment on the transformation of intensity to temperature, corrections, etc.

  84. cdquarles says:

    Hmm, I’d need to dig into that more, but what I think happens is akin to updating weather models with new data. The satellite products are ‘ground truthed’ to the radiosondes; so they’d better correlate. If they didn’t there’d be a major problem.

  85. jim2 says:

    Do you mean by that, the transformation algorithm is supplemented by fudge factors to make the results match the radiosonde data?

  86. Larry Ledwick says:

    The satellites are supposed to be periodically calibrated against the cold of deep space and high precision references, but as you say if they are “correcting the data” so it matches radiosondes that opens the can of worms which do you believe?

    They might be measuring something other than they intend to measure or more likely high precision remote temperature measurement and reliable surface temperature measurement is a lot more difficult that people think.

    If the divergence is between “surface” temp data and the satellite, I would would be inclined to believe the satellite data over any surface data given how screwed up they have been on the corrections and adjustments.

    The proper way to resolve the discrepancy would be to pick some sample locations and do special high resolution sampling with carefully calibrated instrumentation in that test area to validate one or the other of the data sets data for that same location.

    Given satellite remote temperature measurement is even more indirect than most physical thermometers ( measuring microwave emissions in a volume of atmosphere) I would not be surprised if secondary effects like changes in solar emissions spectrum as it goes quiet and resulting changes in the atmosphere due to that lower activity might be changing the measurements in unexpected ways.

    How do you separate the microwave emissions of a gas from some terrestrial source that happens to radiate at the same frequency (or harmonic of that frequency)?

    From wiki [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_temperature_measurements]


    Satellites do not measure temperature. They measure radiances in various wavelength bands, which must then be mathematically inverted to obtain indirect inferences of temperature.[1][2] The resulting temperature profiles depend on details of the methods that are used to obtain temperatures from radiances. As a result, different groups that have analyzed the satellite data have produced differing temperature datasets. Among these are the UAH dataset prepared at the University of Alabama in Huntsville and the RSS dataset prepared by Remote Sensing Systems.

    The satellite time series is not homogeneous. It is constructed from a series of satellites with similar but not identical sensors. The sensors also deteriorate over time, and corrections are necessary for orbital drift and decay.[3][4] Particularly large differences between reconstructed temperature series occur at the few times when there is little temporal overlap between successive satellites, making intercalibration difficult.[citation needed][5]

    Records have been created by merging data from nine different MSUs, each with peculiarities (e.g., time drift of the spacecraft relative to the local solar time) that must be calculated and removed because they can have substantial impacts on the resulting trend.[24]

    The process of constructing a temperature record from a radiance record is difficult. The satellite temperature record comes from a succession of different satellites and problems with inter-calibration between the satellites are important, especially NOAA-9, which accounts for most of the difference between various analyses.[25] NOAA-11 played a significant role in a 2005 study by Mears et al. identifying an error in the diurnal correction that leads to the 40% jump in Spencer and Christy’s trend from version 5.1 to 5.2.[26] There are ongoing efforts to resolve differences in satellite temperature datasets.

    Sounds to me like this might be an early indicator of sensor drift on the satellites or some other unaccounted for trend.

  87. jim2 says:

    Looks like Team Trump may have scored a swamp alligator!!


  88. jim2 says:

    Larry Ledwick says:
    but as you say if they are “correcting the data” so it matches radiosondes that opens the can of worms which do you believe?
    I once created a function that output concentration as a function of conductivity of an aqueous solution of complex organic ions. It worked just fine. While not as intellectually or philosophically satisfying as a transformation that is based solely on physical principles, as a practical matter, it can work. So, I wouldn’t have a problem if UAH used some empirical bits.

    I’m still betting it’s the surface measurement that’s the problem, probably in parts of the oceans.

  89. p.g.sharrow says:

    Good observation,yes that satellites measure Radiant energy calibrated to the radiant energies of deep space. That is fine for celestial bodies with little or no atmospheric Insulation blanket.
    There is no Green House effect. There is INSULATION effect.
    At pressures of greater then 0,1bar, conduction is the chief means of energy transfer and the atmosphere moves energy by means of conduction,convection and PHASE CHANGE of water. This is why the temperature decreases with rise in elevation.
    At less then 0.1bar of pressure the density is so low that radiation predominates. This is why the atomic/molecular energy rises with elevation because it takes higher and higher energy levels to effect changes of energy as the density decreases.
    Satellites measure radiation and are interpreted to match ground observation with fudge factor calibrations. Always back to assumptions to establish facts….pg

  90. cdquarles says:


    “Do you mean by that, the transformation algorithm is supplemented by fudge factors to make the results match the radiosonde data?”, well, not exactly. Consider matrix inversion. When the system is not well posed, inversion may have multiple solutions or no solution. Depending on how the radiosondes measure temperature, and remember that temperature is not directly measured, plus the sampling volumes not being exactly the same, a model must be used to do it. The SB equation is an ‘ideal’ and abstract relation. Just like the ideal gas law is a limit and abstract relation. Real gases do not behave exactly like the assumptions and conditions used for the ideal gas laws, so the gas laws are approximations of real gas behavior and the results are approximate estimates of the real gas behavior.

  91. David A says:

    My understanding is Christy said that satellite observations are checked with direct weather balloon data. I have not heard him intimate that they are adjusted to match.

  92. cdquarles says:

    @ David A,
    That’s my recollection and why I said ‘ground truthed’ to the radiosondes.

  93. jim2 says:

    @cdquarles says:
    and remember that temperature is not directly measured,
    Temperature is a property of bulk matter and is never “directly” measured. We measure volume of mercury, color, voltage, or a number of other properties.

    The only way to do it directly would be to measure the speed of each of the particles in a given, probably small, volume, and know the mass of each one. No way to do that that I know of.

    And if there were equations in the algorithm that weren’t solvable in the necessary boundary conditions, I’m sure we would be hearing about it ad infinitum.

    At any rate, I have more faith in the sat measurements than the surface ones.

  94. Glenn999 says:

    Ed Klein has new book called “All out War”
    Heard him in an interview today.
    The swamp is deep and murky. This nation is truly lost if these people succeed.

  95. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting AI trick to fool it into misidentifying objects. Shows AI still has a way to go and with persistence can be defeated as long as you have access to the key parameters used for identification.


  96. Another Ian says:


    “Uranium One: Previously Undiscovered FOIA Documents Could Be Game-Changer in Investigation…”


  97. llanfar says:

    @Ian – wrong link

  98. gallopingcamel says:

    p.g. said:
    “At pressures of greater then 0,1bar, conduction is the chief means of energy transfer and the atmosphere moves energy by means of conduction,convection and PHASE CHANGE of water. This is why the temperature decreases with rise in elevation.
    At less then 0.1bar of pressure the density is so low that radiation predominates. This is why the atomic/molecular energy rises with elevation because it takes higher and higher energy levels to effect changes of energy as the density decreases.”

    Right on! Here is the Nat Geo letter that supplies the mathematical basis for the above:

    Click to access Robinson2014_0.1bar_Tropopause.pdf

    OK, I have mentioned this many times before and will continue to do so until Chiefio banishes me from this fine blog.

  99. p.g.sharrow says:

    @ gallopingcamel: while phase change and convection are important, I believe it is the change from conduction to radiation as the main feature of energy transfer that is the “Troposphause” shift in atomic /molecular temperature gradient from lower temperature with increase elevation to increase in temperature with increased elevation.
    Above 1/10th bar pressure /density, energy transfer among molecules is fairly easy contact conduction so there is a fast reduction as energy is exchanged and total energy is reduced with reduction in density.
    At less then 1/10th bar radiation predominates. Once energy is transferred to a molecule it must make a rare contact or radiate to drop it’s energy load. As density becomes less the molecule must reach higher energy levels to unload and any energy it receives will likely be of higher levels. So we see increase energy levels as the gas gets less dense.
    All celestial bodies with enough atmosphere seems to have a Tropophause even stars …pg

  100. Another Ian says:

    “Uranium One: Previously Undiscovered FOIA Documents Could Be Game-Changer in Investigation…”

    Right link – thanks


  101. Larry Ledwick says:

    A little light reading- executive summary is alarming, includes a link to a 94 page pdf paper by the Center for Security Policy: “The Perfect Storm” which goes into how some recent events (including Uranium One scandal are tied together into a significant break down of safeguards for foreign acquisition of US Strategic infrastructure.
    (I have not read the full paper yet – but CSP digs into issues most other media and interest groups completely ignore, with a particular focus on connections with and the long term agenda of groups like the Muslim Brotherhood.)


    This is a follow up to their previous paper: “What could possibly go wrong?”

    Click to access Port_Canaveral_Occasional_Paper_12-23-16.pdf

  102. Paul Hanlon says:

    That’s the second time I’ve seen reference to swampy goings-on in Port Canaveral. The first time was in relation to the Awan Brothers and their car dealership, which also had an import export operation sending cars to Pakistan or UAE in containers through Port Canaveral. Unfortunately I can’t remember the source. I think it may have been the chap who did the video series looking for a disappeared Democrat. It was where’s ? ?, day 57 or something like that.

  103. Another Ian says:

    “Robby Mook Inadvertently Showcases Fear Within Clinton Camp and Connection to Fusion GPS Funding…”


  104. Larry Ledwick says:

    There is a web site that allows people to “rollup” a series of tweets into a web viewable page so it can be read as a document. This is a good summary of what some believe is going on in the Trump adminstration – A deep undercover take down of government corruption. It is a work in progress according to this and viewing recent history from this perspective sure seems to make sense.


  105. Paul Hanlon says:

    Wow, apparently Tony Podesta arrested yesterday, and turned himself in voluntarily. Hillary and John Podesta to do the samething next week. I’ve seen this now in a couple of places.

  106. Larry Ledwick says:

    From twitter and other sources:
    Another mass shooting info finally coming out.
    acob Wohl Retweeted
    💎STOCK MONSTER💎‏ @StockMonsterUSA 10m10 minutes ago

    Sutherland Springs, Texas Killer Devin Patrick Kelley is being said to be a Radical Alt-Left Antifa member.

    -Lots of Facebook posts

    Devin Patrick Kelley has been identified as the gunman who killed at least 24 people at a church in Texas, a U.S. official tells The Daily Beast. Kelley, 26, was a resident of New Braunfels, a suburb of San Antonio, according to public records.

    Kelley was married and Kelley’s mother-in-law listed a P.O. box in Sutherland Springs as a mailing address. San Antonio police reportedly raided Kelley’s home on Sunday evening. A LinkedIn account appearing to belong to Kelley describes him as serving in the U.S. Air Force from his 2009 high-school graduation until 2013, after which he briefly taught at a summer Bible school. On a now-deleted Facebook account, Kelley recently displayed an AR-15 style gun, ABC News reports.

  107. Larry Ledwick says:

    From twitter:
    CBS News: Suspect in #SutherlandSprings mass shooting was court-martialed in 2014; received a dishonorable discharge from US Air Force.

  108. Larry Ledwick says:

    From twitter
    Jacob Wohl Retweeted
    KolHaolam‏ @KolHaolam 8m8 minutes ago

    TEXAS: PICTURED: Shooter Devin Kelly was an Antifa member, vowed to start civil war by “targeting white conservative churches,” causing anarchy.

    I have my suspicions his dishonorable discharge was due to being mentally unsuitable for the military but have seen no specific confirmation of that as yet.

    You have to be a pretty serious screw up to get dishonorably discharged from the service, especially given he was in for some time (4+ years)

  109. Larry Ledwick says:

    SalenaZito‏Verified account @SalenaZito 3 minutes ago

    If he was indeed a dishonorable discharge. the Gun Control Act of 1968 explicitly states you cannot own a firearm


    (6) who [2] has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;

    If true that he was dishonorably discharged and the alt-left ANTIFA radical some are asserting his face book posts indicate, he will be untouchable by the left and the media will sit on this.
    He was a radical leftist / anarchist who was in possession of the firearm illegally.

    This event goes against their narrative and will shoot them in the foot (pun intended) if they press it.

  110. Larry Ledwick says:

    Thomas Wictor Retweeted
    Vincent Paul‏ @_cousinvinny_ 19 minutes ago
    Replying to @ThomasWictor

    Thomas I went to HS with this kid, he was weird as hell and seemed completely unstable back then. Everything they will eventually find out about Devin is going to make complete sense as to why he did this

  111. Larry Ledwick says:

    This just keeps getting better:
    From twitter:
    Katica‏ @GOPPollAnalyst 8m8 minutes ago

    Katica Retweeted Breaking911

    .#2A may have saved people in Devin Patrick Kelly’s rampage.
    Breaking911‏Verified account @Breaking911

    BREAKING: Official says Texas church gunman was confronted by community member who returned fire, causing him to flee

  112. Larry Ledwick says:

    Jacob Wohl Retweeted
    Nick Short
    🇺🇸‏Verified account @PoliticalShort 11m11 minutes ago

    Sutherland Springs church shooter was engaged by a local resident who shot him with a shotgun.

  113. Larry Ledwick says:

    So far it looks like all the above info is checking out.
    Shooter was considered a bit strange by school mates when he was in high school, per his social media apparently he was associated with (or at least a fan) Antifa, wore all black gear (signiture of Antifa) – shooting came the day after ANTIFA street protests nation wide on 11/4/17 completely flopped. He had an illegal weapon (dishonorable discharge from military), he was confronted by an armed citizen (LEO are citing him as heroic) and his efforts to subdue the shooter stopped the rampage and forced the shooter to flee, as that citizen returned fire, engaging him in a gun fight.
    This Resulted in a short car chase as towns people pursued him, and he crashed his car when he ran off the road. The shooter was found dead in his vehicle (unknown at this time if self inflicted wound or a result of the armed citizen’s efforts to take him down)

    This shooting will be radioactive for the Left once all the details get out, as it does not fit their agenda gun control violent right wing white religious story line and pushing it will open too many doors to pro-self defense 2A advocates.

  114. Larry Ledwick says:

    Follow up video interview with one of the men that chased the shooter down.


  115. Larry Ledwick says:

    And the shooter had a history of domestic violence – which was the basis for his dishonorable discharge from the Air Force.


  116. Larry Ledwick says:

    Coincidence or planned ?

    Josh Caplan‏ @joshdcaplan 9 hours ago

    8 years ago TODAY, Nidal Hasan shot dead 13, injured 30 @ Fort Hood, 160 miles from Sutherland Springs, the site of today’s mass shooting.

  117. Larry Ledwick says:

    He was seen as weird and an outcast by class mates in school, and some labeled him crazy.
    He was a vocal atheist who pushed his views on social media and felt religious people were stupid.


    It would be legitimate to question if this might have been a hate crime against religion and Christians?

  118. A C Osborn says:

    Larry, that does not ring true with the information we are being given in the UK.
    He was supposed to be a Religous Teacher, not an atheist.

  119. Larry Ledwick says:

    Yes that is a bit weird that he would be an atheist and have taught bible studies classes to children, perhaps that will be clarified. I got the impression that he did not last long at that bible studies gig, but it takes a week or so for all the background info to bubble up, just like the Mandalay shooter in Las Vegas.

  120. Larry Ledwick says:

    Hmmm interesting twist from twiter:
    Fred Burton Retweeted
    JacquelineSarkissian‏ @JSarkissianFOX7 4 hours ago

    Sheriff just spoke with us about the deadly shooting in #SutherlandSprings. Says Kelley’s in-laws attended the church. @fox7austin

  121. Larry Ledwick says:

    It appears the shooter bought a gun in spite of being prohibited from owning guns due to this dishonorable discharge. That implies, the dishonorable dicharge and year in prison never got forwarded to the background check system AND he lied on his purchase paperwork and did not properly indicate he had domestic abuse, dishonorable discharge and 1 year imprisonment all of which would have blocked the sale.

  122. Larry Ledwick says:

    I have not been able to confirm the above press release from Academy Sports + Outdoors on their web site, although it might have appeared in the local press in Texas – time will tell on that.

    More British press coverage asserts the armed citizen wounded the shooter by shooting him in the side under or between his body armor.


  123. Larry Ledwick says:

    Looks like this shooting may point to more domestic violence from the shooter, as noted above the in laws were members of the church and per ABC news the mother in law had received text threats from the shooter. The Sheriff does not think it is a random act of violence.


  124. Larry Ledwick says:

    A bit more here on the shooter, he was involved in a domestic dispute with members of the church it appears. His dress during the shooting conforms to the ANTIFA style for blackblok.
    His wife had taught bible studies in the same church, his attempt to teach bible studies at a different church might have been some sort of virtue signalling or effort to earn points with his wife [just my guess]

    Colorado where he bought two of his firearms has mandatory background check on all fire arms purchases even between private parties – although friend to friend sales probably often ignore that law. Even at gun shows here you must do a background check before completing the transfer of custody on the premises. Given his background he appears to have illegally purchased several of his firearms, although precise dates of sale and when he was released from jail and dicharged would need to be compared to sale dates to be sure.


  125. Larry Ledwick says:

    May have slipped through the background check systems as none of the issues which might have blocked his check (domestic violence, dishonoralbe discharge, 12 months in military confinement for domesticate abuse etc. were entered in the database queried for the background check)


  126. Larry Ledwick says:

    Well now we know why the shooter was not blocked at the point of sale. His criminal history was never reported to the FBI by the Air Force.

    From twitter:
    The Associated Press‏Verified account @AP 30 minutes ago

    BREAKING: Officials: Air Force didn’t submit Texas church shooter’s criminal history to FBI, as required by Pentagon rules.


    Free Beacon Retweeted
    Alexandra Samuels‏Verified account @AlexSamuelsx5 1h1 hour ago

    NEW: U.S. Air Force issues statement saying #SutherlandSprings shooter’s domestic violence offense was NOT entered into the NICS database.

  127. Larry Ledwick says:

    And for icing on the cake – the anti-gunners will absolutely hate this.
    Lucky that this man was there and had both the skills and courage to take appropriate self defense action.

    (Note to those outside the US in most United States jurisdictions defense of a third party at immanent risk of death or serious bodily injury is considered to the same as self defense)

    From twitter:
    Michael Del Moro‏Verified account @MikeDelMoro

    Man who shot Texas gunman is a former NRA instructor, tells Arkansas affiliate “I’m no hero” in emotional interview


  128. Larry Ledwick says:

    Hmmm I just came up with a theory that makes this shooting make sense:

    Shooter had a domestic violence history
    shooter was angry at the in-laws
    in-laws went to this church
    He clearly intended to escape and survive the shooting (left car engine running door open across the street)
    shooter was fully covered including face mask

    Theory make it look like a random mass shooting and the in-laws just happened to be there, if he escapes he is not the prime suspect if dozens are killed.

  129. Another Ian says:

    “Harry Richardson and the beginning of the end of Islam”


  130. Jon K says:

    You theory is plausible Larry. Certainly a best fit for the data we have so far.

  131. Larry Ledwick says:

    More background on the charges against the shooter by the Air Force that resulted in his discharge and jail time.


  132. Jon K says:

    Very unusual to get this level of access and detail into a situation. Interview with Steven williford.

  133. Larry Ledwick says:

    Okay I give up why was this nut bar not serving a long prison term or locked up in a high security mental facility?


  134. Power Grab says:

    My guess is he knew how to say what his keepers wanted to hear. He had the ability to come across as the victim in any conflict.

    My ex liked to think he was good at “playing games with their mind”.

    The last time I tried to get a protective order, he had talked up the judge beforehand and it was denied.

    He probably had those books that tell you how to get revenge and not get caught.

  135. Power Grab says:

    I mean Kelley probably had those books. I know my ex had them.

  136. Larry Ledwick says:

    If anyone wishes to examine the current crime stats, the FBI crime statistics for 2016 just came out recently. For firearm homicide you will want to examine table 12.


    A quick summary of the relevant data:

    The 2016 FBI crime stats just came out.
    Total Murders known to FBI 15,070
    Total killed with firearms 11,004
    Total killed with handguns 7,105
    Total killed with rifles (of all kinds) 374
    Total killed with shotguns 262
    Total killed by gun type unknown 3263
    Total killed with knives or cutting instruments 1,604
    Total killed with other weapons (ie clubs, hammers etc) 1,806
    Total killed by hands fist feet 656

    *(I use the term assault rifle reluctantly because it has no definition but has become the common vernacular. It is a term intentionally created by anti-gunners to make “black guns” sound scary and is in that sense a term of propaganda rather than a legitimate category of firearm)

    Assault rifles only represent a small fraction of all rifles in the stats, but the FBI does not specifically record them, because they are such an insignificant fraction of the total.
    I have seen numbers from detailed studies that it is less that half the total number of rifles so a safe assumption would be about 185 +/- a few.
    That would make assault rifles represent 1.22% of all homicides by firearms in 2016, in short it is the least important category to try to remedy if you were really worried about reducing the homicide rate by firearm.

    You are about 8.5x more likely to be killed with a knife, 3.5x more likely to be beaten to death with fists and feet or strangled, or 38.4X more likely to be killed by a hand gun than with an assault rifle (51% of those killings are due to inner city gang violence in about 6 jurisdictions). Anyone who was remotely serious about reducing the murder rate would be looking to make a difference some place else rather than wasting all this time and energy to try to marginally reduce the 1.2% of all murders committed with assault rifles at the expense of depriving law abiding citizens their right to defend themselves with the most popular and effective firearm sold today.

    Not to mention the fact that of all the weapon types protected by the 2nd amendment firearms suitable for use in and by the military (ie infantry weapons) are by Supreme Court decision in Miller vs US precisely the sort of firearms intended to be protected by the second amendment as verified by the writings of the authors of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and legal scholars of the day when those documents were created. Firearms are not protected because they are used for hunting or target shooting but because they provide the last possible choice for a free society to curb government tyranny when all other means fail. This is very clearly communicated in the writings of the authors of the bill of rights and the debates that surrounded the ratification of the Constitution. The founders fully understood that unless the people had a legitimate means to put the government at risk of force their right to peacefully modify government by petition and the vote would quickly be wiped away by the natural totalitarian urges of the powers that be. Only if that option of last resort was taken seriously would the powers of the government allow themselves to be controlled by the citizens rather than the other way around.

  137. E.M.Smith says:

    So the Texas shooter had a history of mental issues. One must wonder if he was on any anti-dperessants or psychoactives…

  138. cdquarles says:

    He probably was, though it isn’t known whether he was on these currently. Remember, people get put on them because they have shown, overtly, signs and symptoms of mental illness; but not the other way around.

  139. cdquarles says:

    Oh, too fast with the post. That said, look up ergotism and/or hormone secreting tumors. A person who got put on them improperly might, especially for serotonin active types, get an iatrogenic mental illness.

  140. Larry Ledwick says:

    Ooops driverless shuttle crashes 2 hours after its debut in Las Vegas.


  141. Larry Ledwick says:

    Another AI glitch – Amazon Alexa decides to turn on music at deafing levels at 1:50 am while no one was home. German police had to break into the house to shut off the music.


  142. jim2 says:

    @Larry Ledwick – What? The police didn’t send in a robot?

  143. Larry Ledwick says:

    Another example of the troubles brewing in the EU as a result of idiotic immigration policies.

    Short video in German with subtitles

  144. Steven Fraser says:

    Chief: Roku had a good Q3 report, beating Street expectations. Got a +45% pop, and gave a good guidance for the next quarter.

  145. Larry Ledwick says:

    Sweden is into a new form of public performance. Media does not think this is important.

    PeterSweden‏Verified account @PeterSweden7


    There has been 16 bombs / explosions in just 28 days. Here is the full list of all that has happened.

    This is insane and reaching crisis levels right now. Yet the mainstream media is completely quiet about this.

    Please RETWEET to help get the truth out there!

  146. Jeff says:

    @Larry, speaking about idiotic, I live in Germany, and clicked on the link for your video, and got the response from Twitter that AmyMek (‘s twitter feed) is disabled in Germany.

    Ja, ve vill do da necesssssaasssery to keep the proletariat in line…

    Remembering, of course, that in her previous career, Mutti (with no kids) Merkel was a ministerin for AgitProp, aka Agitation and Propaganda…

    No matter. The German Deplorables know what’s up (www.junge-freiheit.de). And it looks like there just might have to be a new election, as the German swamp doesn’t want to work with the AfD (our deplorables), and the Greens don’t want to work with anyone… yet the AfD is the third-largest party, by votes…

  147. Jeff says:

    Yuck. Years ago (1980s) I used to travel on business to Malmö and Göteburg. Used to be relatively quiet cities back then; there was even a family amusement park in Göteburg. No more, I suspect…

  148. Pouncer says:

    Global Warming, again, threatens famine for millions of children across most of the world. Not.



    “A global grains glut is now in its fourth year, with supplies bloated by favorable weather, increasingly high-tech farm practices and tougher plant breeds.”

  149. p.g.sharrow says:

    @pouncer: If anyone is starving it is because of government induced roadblocks to distribution. Whether elected, selected or imposed, bureaucrats tax, restrict and impede commerce to justify their existence and generate revenue for their masters.
    Those that follow old time human values, conservatives, will GIVE of their wealth to those in need. Liberals want to TAKE others wealth to give to the less fortunate, less, of course the their handling costs. Conservatives always try to create more wealth then they consume. Liberals believe they deserve wealth for their consumption, regardless of their effort.
    Free farmers will always try to produce large crops. It is their nature and joy. It is the nature of others to farm the farmers to gather the new created wealth and restrict it’s movement to increase their cut of that wealth. Buy low in the glut of harvest and sell dear into the restricted market. Starving poor people is just a cost of business to the Elite..pg

  150. Larry Ledwick says:

    Freedom of speech in France – you can’t publish pictures which depict violence even if the purpose is to expose the violence of groups like ISIS. So if your actions are violent enough you are protected against disclosure to the public?


  151. Larry Ledwick says:

    Wild fire risk in California and areas like Sant Rosa far predate modern man and cities.
    It takes active management to control fuel build up that leads to catastrophic fires.


    It also takes smart design to prevent wholesale destruction of built up neighborhoods. This requires building codes that enhance fire resistance like non-flammable roofing materials, and exterior surfaces of non-combustable materials that make it easy for fire fighters to defend a structure like stucco brick or stone exterior walls, set backs between homes that are wide enough to prevent radiant ignition of a neighboring home if another gets fully involved in fire, minimizing use of highly flammable plants like evergreen, and juniper near homes etc.


  152. E.M.Smith says:

    In California in wine country even small lots are a $ Million… so setback and side clearances often minimal. I’ve seen 5 foot side between buildings. Also the push to natural materials doesn’t help. Then cloth curtains ignite from radiative load … Oh Well.

    If I lived in semi-rural. fire land I’d want cinderblock wall, tile roof, and roll down steel shutters… then again, I fought a forest fire once…

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