W.O.O.D. 19 Feb 2018

Intro

This is another of the W.O.O.D. series of semi-regular
Weekly Occasional Open Discussions.
(i.e. if I forget and skip one, no big)

Immediate prior one here:
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2018/02/06/w-o-o-d-6-feb-2018/
and remains open for threads running there
(at least until the ‘several month’ auto-close of comments on stale threads).

Canonical list of old ones here:
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/category/w-o-o-d/

So use “Tips” for “Oooh, look at the interesting ponder thing!”
and “W.O.O.D” for “Did you see what just happened?! What did you think about it?”

What’s Going On?

We’ve got the ongoing saga of the Russia Nothing Burger. Indictments of no-names for being annoying in process.

We’ve got the major USA Media shouting that this means any day now they get Trump’s Scalp.

Meanwhile the stock market came back up, and the rest of world is busy making money.

The EU continues to try to shake down Britain on the way out the door. The British government continues to allow their pockets to be searched (maybe it feels good when they squeeze…) The British People are wondering why they don’t just leave and be done. The rest of the world is lined up ready for business, if only the British Government would look their way instead of at the hand in their pants from the EU. Sigh.

Then there’s the 7.x quake in Mexico, some more around the world, and various volcanoes getting grumbly. Geologic activity seems on the uptick for now.

Meanwhile a school shooting in Florida has everyone on The Left panting over guns, while the FBI failed to act on the suspect even after he was pointed out to them; they were too busy eating Nothing Burgers and fretting over Trump. When will we learn that it’s the nutbar behind the gun that’s the problem. Think that same guy would be unable to tip a 5 gallon pail of gasoline into a classroom and toss a highway flare? Crazy people are not stupid. At least not all the time nor all of them.

Meanwhile we’ve had Frozen Europe, snow in African deserts, South America and Australia / New Zealand with abnormally cold summers, and soon Asia to get more froze (as the Mongolians try desperately to keep their cattle alive). Yet it was warm in California and Arizona, so must be “The Hottest Year Ever!!! ™“. /sarc;

Sometimes I think the world is crazy, other times I’m sure…

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119 Responses to W.O.O.D. 19 Feb 2018

  1. John F. Hultquist says:

    A: Cold in Washington and Montana Mon & Tues.
    B: The FBI has much to answer for. It is beyond my pay grade to think that out.
    C. In the news — two opposing views on safety:
    1) staff and teachers need to be armed;
    2) ban all guns. #2 won’t happen anytime soon, and wouldn’t stop the kid with gasoline in an orange Poweraid bottle.
    #1 (with training) would reduce the number killed by a kid with guns to 2 or 3.
    Knowing that would send a kid elsewhere;
    Search with this: Everett teen arrested after grandmother finds journal

    D: Then there are stupid people;
    garbage can, gasoline, car, woman with cigarette

  2. philjourdan says:

    Re: 2 opposing views.

    Until folks get honest about the problem, there will be no effective solution. PC is not only trying to shut folks up, it is also denying the country the ability to discuss situations and find the root cause, or an effective deterrent.

  3. Larry Ledwick says:

    Now if this will just gain some traction in the major media.

    Maybe instead of a picture they should just display a shadow silhouette and location xyz shooter for the identification.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/27329/why-daily-wire-will-no-longer-publish-names-or-ben-shapiro

  4. Larry Ledwick says:

    In Israel supposedly they mandated armed security at the entrance doors and have effectively eliminated violent attacks on schools.

    Another option would be to put a police substation in each school, particularly the elementary and junior high schools being the most vulnerable students.

    Some simple construction style changes would also help, put man trap ( buzz in ) style entry doors in the school that are the only entry point out side the time period when students arrive for school. We do this in large office buildings no practical reason it could not be done for schools.

    In 2002 the Secret Service prepared a document on safe schools which condensed lessons learned from previous mass shootings.
    Titled:
    THREAT ASSESSMENT IN SCHOOLS:
    A GUIDE TO MANAGING THREATENING SITUATIONS
    AND TO CREATING SAFE SCHOOL CLIMATES

    Key findings:
    Support for these suggestions is found in the 10 key findings of the Safe School
    Initiative:
    • Incidents of targeted violence at school are rarely sudden, impulsive acts.
    • Prior to most incidents, other people knew about the attacker’s idea and/or
    plan to attack.
    • Most attackers did not threaten their targets directly prior to advancing the
    attack.
    • There is no accurate or useful “profile” of students who engage in targeted
    school violence.
    • Most attackers engaged in some behavior, prior to the incident, that caused
    concern or indicated a need for help.
    • Most attackers were known to have difficulty coping with significant losses or
    personal failures. Many had considered or attempted suicide.
    • Many attackers felt bullied, persecuted, or injured by others prior to the attack.
    • Most attackers had access to and had used weapons prior to the attack.
    • In many cases, other students were involved in some capacity.
    • Despite prompt law enforcement responses, most shooting incidents were
    stopped by means other than law enforcement intervention.

  5. thor47 says:

    Why do we still have 300-400 children and adults in one school, making a convenient target? Nearly everyone has a tablet or cell phone. Three year olds can find their favorite video on youtube. Why aren’t we using this to decentralize education, shrink class size, stop classes moving at the rate of the slowest learner, stop control of classrooms by the violent? Oh, and break the power of the education establishment.

    People say to me, ” Well what about socializing children? That will make the problem worse.” Look around; we adults are unsocializing as fast as we can.

    Let’s think outside the gun box for a change. Is it a perfect idea? No. None of the gun ideas are, either.

  6. E.M.Smith says:

    Well, we have 2 opposing proposed solutions:

    1) Ban guns and make them harder to get into the location.

    2) Provide armed guards / police / ‘carry’ for counter force.

    Why don’t we test them?

    D.C. Already has laws that make gun ownership hard / onerous. Let it be the model for #1
    Let’s declare Congress and all the Federal Offices in D.C. (including the courts) to be “Gun Free Zones” and remove the police / guards / ban “carry”.

    In Texas, Florida, and most of the South, guns are much easier to get and more pervasive. For them, put armed guards at schools (or have armed police presence) and allow teachers to do concealed carry upon secret application and background check.

    I’m sure in just a year or two we would have our answer…

  7. jim2 says:

    The 5 kids from the Florida school were on CBS national news. There is a major effort to make a change of gun laws stick. Trump is sponsoring a meeting with kids, schools, and law enforcement. Hopefully, rationality will claw open a toe-hold.

  8. John F. Hultquist says:

    Does not Mexico have very strict gun laws?

  9. Larry Ledwick says:

    Does not Mexico have very strict gun laws?

    Yes it does, 29,000 murders last year on a population basis 5x the murder rate of the U.S.
    We already have some carry schools I think Texas and Oklahoma both allow teacher/staff carry.

  10. Larry Ledwick says:

    Looks like Weld County Colorado also has some teacher carry.
    (note weld county is bigger than two states at 4,021 square miles it is slightly smaller than Connecticut.)

    http://kdvr.com/2017/06/21/colorado-teachers-trained-on-how-to-use-guns-in-case-of-school-emergency/

  11. Another Ian says:

    “Illegal Weapons and Gun Laws”

    “Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

    With the recent school shooting in Florida have come increased calls for further gun control laws. So before considering new laws, I thought I should look to see what the current laws are regarding who can legally purchase and own guns in the US. Here’s what I find:”

    https://rosebyanyothernameblog.wordpress.com/2018/02/15/illegal-weapons-and-gun-laws/

  12. Larry Ledwick says:

    Hmmm this is going to leave a mark!

    TCTH just lowered the boom on Broward County school systems pattern of avoiding criminal prosecution of students who commit crime on campus.

    Let’s create a permissive environment and then get offended and blame everyone else when some nut case goes off the leash and commits an atrocity.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/19/school-shooting-was-outcome-of-broward-county-school-board-policy-now-local-and-national-politicians-weaponize-kids-for-ideological-intents/

  13. Larry Ledwick says:

    Looks like Iran is crossing the barrier into open revolt against the revolutionary government.
    Iranian Basij unit attacked protesters, the protesters drove through the crowd of Basij with a bus and a car, then they pelted them with cinder blocks and Molotov cocktails from a high rise.

    From twitter:
    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/965816546076409856.html

    Thomas Wictor
    @ThomasWictor
    1 hour ago
    (20) ADDENDUM: This is organized.

    The Basij Special Unit was first hit with a bus and then with a car.
    What the protesters are saying is that violence will be answered with violence.

    ‏@ThomasWictor
    1 hour ago
    (21) The Basij Special Unit attacked peaceful protestors and were then hit with a bus and a car.

    They were also pelted with cinder blocks and Molotov cocktails from high rises.

    So there we are…

  14. Larry Ledwick says:

    For those with short memories or no historical knowledge who assert banning certain guns will end school attacks should consider this which happened in May 16 1986

  15. tom0mason says:

    “Meanwhile we’ve had Frozen Europe, snow in African deserts, South America and …”
    I note that Joe Bastardi feels the upcoming ‘Warming Hole’ (as the cAGW avocates put it) in Europe is significant enough to comment on.

  16. Rhoda Klapp says:

    Here’s one using 1927 technology, largely forgotten now..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

  17. Another Ian says:

    E.M.

    More “climate fiddling”

    “Delingpole: NOAA Caught Adjusting Big Freeze out of Existence”

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/20/delingpole-noaa-caught-adjusting-big-freeze-out-of-existence/

    3.1 degrees F – I guess that makes it a “bull fiddle” then?

  18. Larry Ledwick says:

    On the temperature change front – interesting graphic on Denver sudden temperature changes.

    https://www.weather.gov/images/bou/wxstory/Tab5FileL.png?af511235301f448ad11d806bdbe4019e

  19. Larry Ledwick says:

    Another example of cryptojacking, stealing computer cycles to mine crypt currencies.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-20/hackers-hijack-teslas-cloud-mine-cryptocurrencies

  20. beththeserf says:

    That dead hand of guvuhmint effect on energy costs in Oz.

  21. beththeserf says:

    Link didn’t work. Try again.

  22. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larry:

    It has been my practice to always have a “top”, or more recently “htop”, performance / job monitoring panel open on my computers. The reason is to catch just such unexpected program operation. Anything runs and I can’t explain it, I “dig here!” until I can.

    @Beththeserf:

    An interesting metric to keep in mind. Granted, it only works with $US and US Gallons, but…

    If you take the price of Diesel in dollars / gallon and move the decimal point one to the right, you get the rough cost in ¢/kW-hr of electricity from a Diesel generator.

    If Diesel is $2.80 / gallon, that would be 28 ¢/kW-hr electricity for the fuel cost. ( Based on a Honda 12 kW generator spec. Bigger likely better.) Now California is headed as fast as it can past 30 ¢ and into 50 ¢/kW-hr land. That means Diesel at $5 gallon. Presently it bounces around $3 to $3.50 in California (about $2 to $2.50 in other States).

    IMHO, this is going to be a factor in the future price rises…

    BTW, Natural Gas is much much cheaper and you can get natural gas generators cheaply… Oh, and it doesn’t have the road tax in it (Fed or State) so saves about $1/gallon just on that (State includes a 9% or so sales tax on the gasoline AND the included road tax. Yeah, we get to pay tax on taxes…) I’ve not “run the numbers” on it, but a simple Co-Gen facility is likely close to break-even right now. Might want to “run the numbers” where you are…

  23. jim2 says:

    Slashdot asked readers which “smart” speaker was their favorite. Best answer: “The one not in my house.”

  24. jim2 says:

    Seems the German air force is a bit “green” around the gills :)

    Germany’s air fleet was grounded this week after “too much biodiesel” fuel found its ways into the gas tanks, according to German reports saying the Luftwaffe cannot safely fly with such a mixture.

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/german-war-planes-grounded-eco-gas/

  25. E.M.Smith says:

    BioDiesel has a tendency to cloud and congeal in the cold. Below freezing it needs fuel heaters in the tanks and fuel lines and fuel filter so the flakes of solid fats don’t clog things.

    As it gets well below freezing at altitude, I’d not be inclined to run BioDiesel in fighter jets. Or bombers. Or much of anything that didn’t stay at above zero temperatures.

    That said, you can run bio-fuel through a cracker and / or reformer and turn it into regular old kerosene… so why not do that? A regular oil refiner can take in plant or animal oils, hit it with the hydro-treater, pull off propane (instead of the glycerine regular biodiesel manufacture makes), saturate any unsaturated fatty acids, extract the O from the acid end, and give you nice straight hydrocarbon fuel (length of molecule up to you – see cat cracker and reformer…)

    Yeah, just dumping bio-diesel into fighter jets? Sounds like another Merkel idea… (The adjective, merkel, means “hair brained in the extreme and due to fail catastrophically”, minor usage of a verb form: “to dither about failing to achieve anything, even forming a government”… To merkel a project can mean to make it hair brained and prone to failure or to dither about changing directions, missing deadlines, and busting budgets, so one needs to add phrases to get the exact meaning.)

  26. Larry Ledwick says:

    Ooops!
    Florida Teachers pension fund invested in firearms stocks for the manufacturer of the gun used in the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting. I bet just about every major pension fund in the country has similar stock holdings.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-20/florida-teachers-pension-fund-invested-in-maker-of-school-massacre-gun

    In related news kid who said he bought an AR-15 in 5 minutes on an expired ID and at 20 years old, did not actually buy anything, simply asked to see one, took a selfie and then walked out of the store.

    “I was able to buy an AR-15 in five minutes. I’m 20 and my ID is expired.
    -Cody Davis #GunReformNow

  27. Another Ian says:

    E.M.
    Thanks for the reference to ‘merkel”. Borrowed and adapted to things in Oz

    http://joannenova.com.au/2018/02/electricity-prices-fell-for-forty-years-in-australia-then-renewables-came/#comment-1984258

  28. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting TED talk “Why I chose the gun!”

    A TED Talk Why I chose the gun

  29. jim2 says:

    EMS said “That said, you can run bio-fuel through a cracker and / or reformer and turn it into regular old kerosene… so why not do that”

    My answer would be, obviously, kerosene is a lot cheaper refined from good ole crude oil. That may not be true forever, but for now – cheap is good.

  30. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting implications on this if true: (intentional targeted derail on that train ?)

    Kerry Smyth Retweeted
    The Associated Press
    ‏@AP
    4 hours ago
    BREAKING: NTSB: Garbage truck was on tracks despite lowered safety gates before crash with train carrying Republican congressmen.

  31. E.M.Smith says:

    #twitterlockout is starting to trend as Twitter has blocked thousands of “right wing” accounts claiming they are Russian Bots… Per RT.

    Seems lots of real folks have been locked out in the process.

  32. Larry Ledwick says:

    Will have to see if this is an accurate summary of the Presidents comments but from twitter:

    Josh Caplan
    ‏@joshdcaplan
    46 seconds ago
    WIRE: President Trump calls for end of gun-free zones near schools, endorses idea of teachers and others in schools being armed if they had special training – Reuters

    The anti-gun folks may just get exactly the opposite of what they were looking for.

    Al Boe BREAKING NEWS
    ‏@AlBoeNEWS
    1 minute ago
    More
    #BREAKING: President Trump, during a listening event with high schoolers and parents, calls for the end of gun-free zones and endorses the idea of teachers and others being armed in schools once given special training – Reuters

    Fox News
    ‏@FoxNews
    24 seconds ago
    “If you had a teacher who was adept at firearms, they could very well end the attack very quickly.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/21/trump-on-preventing-mass-shootings-were-going-to-get-it-done.html

  33. Larry Ledwick says:

    #twitterlockout
    Yes has been a big debate since late yesterday, interesting that most of them who have had followers purged got most of their follower count back a while later.

    It is hitting enough people and is one sided enough that it might be the opening salvo in a battle for no censorship on large social network platforms but that may take years in court to take it to a final conclusion.

    It will also drive initiatives like this:

    https://signal.org/blog/signal-foundation/

  34. Larry Ledwick says:

    https://signal.org/download/

    It also has clients for desktop systems.

  35. jim2 says:

    Socialism is the latest diet fad!!

    “Venezuelans reported losing on average 11 kilograms (24 lbs) in body weight last year …”

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-food/venezuelans-report-big-weight-losses-in-2017-as-hunger-hits-idUSKCN1G52HA

  36. E.M.Smith says:

    @Jim2:

    Saw a story on one of the latest “crisis” to hit Venezuela. Seems many folks make the legally mandated minimum wage. Problem is, it changes at the glacial rate of congress while inflation is running rampant (it’s near hyperinflation I think, something like %1000). This has resulted in significant labor shortages as people are just not going to work. Why don’t they show up?

    Their wages are now less than the cost of the bus ticket to get to work.

    Negative net wages means it’s cheaper and really only possible to NOT go to work. A growing black market is developing as folks don’t show up at their Socialism Managed Jobs and just work in barter arrangements or setting up ersatz shops. So your hairdresser can’t pay the bus ride to the salon, but can do hairdressing in her living room or on a sidewalk with chair and clippers (and no mandated price / wages / taxes / etc.)

    There’s also a major migrant / refugee problem at the Columbia border as folks are starting to bail in numbers on Venezuela. I’d expect similar on other borders, but have not seen news on it.

    I really don’t understand why the country has not collapsed yet.

  37. Larry Ledwick says:

    Well this explains a few things about the Florida school shooting, their security cameras fed 20 minute old images to the police because it was set up on a tape delay and the police were trying to react to things that really happened 20 minutes earlier.

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-florida-school-shooting-response-20180221-story.html

  38. Larry Ledwick says:

    Targeted cancer tumor drug therapy using nanobot delivery directly to the tumor

    https://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/51717/title/DNA-Robots-Target-Cancer/

  39. Zeke says:

    https://truepundit.com/concerned-mom-creator-national-school-walkout-protest-gun-control-top-cnn-news-producer-almost-20-years/

    “But curiously when reporters and Schexnyder discuss the activist’s plans and background they seem to always omit the fact she worked nearly two decades at CNN as a senior producer, coordinating the same exact type of campaigns for the media as she now proposes under the banner of concerned, anti-gun mom propelled into action by the deadly Florida school shooting last week.”

    David Hogg, student witness is son of FBI agent and has been a TV witness in California also

    https://gopreload.org/huge-video-evidence-must-watch-david-hogg-son-fbi-agent-caught-video-interviewing-student-shooting-4-hours-ahead-actual-shooting

  40. Zeke says:

    Can the FBI Protect Us?

    This is a podcast which analyzes the way the fbi did not follow protocol in handling tips. The failure to follow protocol is a failure of the bureau, and should result in the firing of that entire floor. It should also make it clear that Agency heads need more power to get rid of bad employees. There were calls to get rid of C. Wray, but he is an appointee who just arrived. Had existing laws been followed, the fbi would have investigated and…I think they also say that the kid was too young to have bought that weapon.

    https://aclj.org/national-security/can-the-fbi-protect-us

  41. Zeke says:

    Potus says, “Never gotten over the fact that Obama was able to send $1.7 Billion Dollars in CASH to Iran and nobody in Congress, the FBI or Justice called for an investigation!”

    Some of that Iran money has been traced to arms purchases.

    Hezbollah cover up in Mexico linked to BO.

    Also, remember when hrc increased arms sales to the Saudis, by an order of magnitude or something, then she came back and said DJT was in the grip of the NRA?

    The pattern emerges: Weapons sales overseas and across the border, coupled with huge effort to disarm Americans.

  42. Larry Ledwick says:

    Now we know the proximate cause for the high death rate in Florida.

    The armed resource officer at the school never attempted to engage the shooter (which since Columbine is the recommended protocol for an active shooter situation)
    He stood by and did nothing as the students were being murdered.

    Meanwhile the local police were (unknown to them) getting tape delay video feeds from the scene that were 20 minutes behind actual events, so they had no hope of engaging the suspect in real time based on that video stream.

    We also know now, that local mental health officials were well aware of the shooters mental issues, and both mental health and law enforcement completely dropped the ball on following up on warnings before the event.

    The short answer is that like plane crashes, this resulted from multiple connected failures which compounded each other, resulting in a hopeless situation for emergency responders willing to engage the shooter.

    The choice of weapon by the shooter was incidental and had no bearing on the final result. He could have accomplished the same ends under these same circumstances with multiple different weapons or attack methods.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/375174-broward-co-sheriff-armed-officer-at-school-never-went-into

  43. jim2 says:

    I just, for the first time, joined the NRA. I got the 5 year membership for $140. It comes with a gift and a choice of 1 of 4 magazines (the kind you read :). Awesome. I consider it a good investment.

  44. Larry Ledwick says:

    More on the tape delay video it was a 26 minute delay in the video feed.

    http://fox6now.com/2018/02/22/security-footage-from-school-massacre-scene-was-on-26-minute-delay/

  45. Larry Ledwick says:

    The back story on Florida law enforcement looking the other way when juveniles committed crimes.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/966854507744374784.html

  46. Larry Ledwick says:

    The Israeli experience regarding an armed populace to defend against terrorists.

    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/21714

  47. Larry Ledwick says:

    I just, for the first time, joined the NRA.

    You are not alone! I am sure their membership numbers will have an impressive spike over the next month or so. It is probably more effective than voting in your local elections, it sends a very clear message of support when folks respond to anti-gun hysteria by joining or renewing membership. The anti-gunners can clearly see when they push too far because lots of folks who are not normally “joiners” of causes, dust off their check books and go on record that they are supporting the NRA’s agenda. It also gives their education and lobbying programs more clout. The bigger their membership numbers the more influence they have with the political types.

  48. Larry Ledwick says:

    The lessons of Columbine cannot be allowed to fall away.

    http://freebeacon.com/blog/the-unlearned-lessons-of-columbine/

  49. Zeke says:

    Johnny Bravo, school security questions

    I have also, despite actually thwarting a school shooting by an armed predator at my school, causing both Code Red, total lockdown, 911calls and arrests and conviction of the potential shooter, saw, spoke with, or was interviewed or contacted by the FBI, or the USSS.

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    JohnnyBravo

    @JohnBouchell
    Feb 21
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    Its worthy to note the 911 response time was in excess of 20 minutes. In fact, I was only contacted by a few reporters. The incident was basically ignored and squashed in fear of damaging the political establishment, school board, school superintendent, http://et.al .

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    JohnnyBravo

    @JohnBouchell
    Feb 21
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    NO REPORTERS EVER CONTACTED MY STUDENTS for interviews or opinions. I never spoke to a national law enforcement agent much less the USSS. So, to hear the FBI were the first responders only beating CNN by minutes in a wealthy Florida area saturated with Law Enforcement shocked me.

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    JohnnyBravo

    @JohnBouchell
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    Seeing the amazing amount of CNN coverage so well organized and all espousing one message and only one message is equally troubling. Seeing a student saying she actually walked with the shooter while evacuating and HEARD shots shocked me.

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    JohnnyBravo

    @JohnBouchell
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    Seeing video of a student telling us she was told they would have a drill that day with actors deeply troubles me. Seeing the same young man over and over who visited CNN that day and whose father is an FBI agent troubles me.

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    JohnnyBravo

    @JohnBouchell
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    Seeing and hearing the same narratives over and over that conflict with every aspect of training and experience I have is extremely unsettling. I saw video interviews of students claiming multiple shooters. This is troubling as well.

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    JohnnyBravo

    @JohnBouchell
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    I realize that the shooter apparently pulled the fire alarm to create chaos and provide a richer target environment (that alarm would have sent a signal to its precise time and location by the way) and tossing smoke bombs in a stairwell to drive the victims to the shooter’s local

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    JohnnyBravo

    @JohnBouchell
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    BUT: At least one interview I watched was a student saying her doorknob was rattled and she heard a voice say “Go try another door”. This needs exploration. I can sit here and tell you who I think failed miserably but it is fruitless. I’ll save that opinion for future reference.

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    JohnnyBravo

    @JohnBouchell
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    In my utterly qualified, expert opinion, there are several troubling “Facts” being dispensed that I refuse to accept prima facia. Some of them are: Why was the shooter visited 39 times by local LE but never placed on a watch list and their right to a firearm flagged and denied.

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    JohnnyBravo

    @JohnBouchell
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    Why was his extensive school discipline not compiled and presented to the school board for total expulsion from the schools? What was the FBI the first response when the school is so close to the PD and an officer with a radio was supposedly on campus?

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    JohnnyBravo

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    How did CNN have so many “Kids” in place to echo their exact verbiage and focus on the actual weapon and not the shooter? Why isn’t the alleged USSS involvement in a public school being examined? Who is this reoccurring “Student” that has family in the FBI?

  50. Zeke says:

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    I held an SCI security clearance which is the very highest we have in America. I say these things to help you to understand my background to weigh my opinion as to the events in Parkview Florida, (30 minutes from my home where I live, now retired from School administration).

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    JohnnyBravo

    @JohnBouchell
    Feb 21
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    As an administrator in charge of a large High School of 1,800 students and 140 employees, I held tabletop exercises and wrote publications & power points presentation, & helped with both multiple school & mult-jurisdiction school systems training as developer and presenter.

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    JohnnyBravo

    @JohnBouchell
    Feb 21
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    Never did I hear from, receive information from, or was contacted by, read any publications, or gathered statistics from the United States Secret Service. Not once- EVER. Yet, 3 weeks prior to the shooting in Florida, the USSS was not only at the school, they held training.

  51. Larry Ledwick says:

    More of the little back story details coming out. Off duty cop borrowed a vest and gun and went into the school while the Broward Co Sheriff deputies hunkered down behind their cars until the shooting stopped some 4 minutes elapsed about 2/3 of the time the suspect was shooting kids in the school. It would be fair to guess, that about 10 kids were killed while they sat there on the perimeter.

    https://www.redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2018/02/23/watch-off-duty-cop-fl-school-ran-toward-gunfire-others-cowered/

  52. Zeke says:

    I am going to leave the references for an earlier post.

    Hezbollah in Mexico covered up by BO

    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/12/18/obama-sabotaged-dea-operation-targeting-hezbollah-in-latin-america-to-secure-iran-nuclear-deal/

    “Former U.S. President Barack Obama’s administration “derailed” a DEA operation targeting Hezbollah’s multi-million-dollar drug trafficking activities in Latin America to secure approval of the controversial Iran nuclear deal, reports Politico.
    Iran’s narco-terrorist proxy Hezbollah is involved in a plethora of criminal activities in Latin America, ranging from money laundering to massive drug trafficking.

    “This was a policy decision, it was a systematic decision,” David Asher, a veteran Pentagon illicit finance expert deployed to combat the alleged Hezbollah criminal enterprise, told Politico, referring to the DEA operation, dubbed Project Cassandra. “They [Obama administration] serially ripped apart this entire effort that was very well supported and resourced, and it was done from the top down.”

    For years, the U.S. military has been sounding the alarm on the threat against the United States posed by the presence of Iran and Hezbollah in America’s backyard — Latin America.

    However, the Obama administration argued that Iran’s influence in the Western Hemisphere was “waning,” reported the Government Accountability Office (GAO), Congress’ watchdog arm, in late September 2014, months before world powers and Iran approved the nuclear deal in July 2015.”

  53. Zeke says:

    Additional reports linking Iran, Hezbollah, and guns:

    Congressman Demands Probe into Evidence Obama Admin …
    http://www.breitbart.com/…/congressman-demands-probe-evidence-obama-admin- protected-hezbollah-score-iran-deal/
    Dec 20, 2017 … A Republican congressman has called on a House panel to investigate the Obama administration’s reported interference in a Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) task force probe against Hezbollah’s lucrative drug trafficking, money laundering, and arms smuggling activities in Latin America, all to …

    Hezbollah Selling Drugs ‘Virtually Unopposed’ in Latin America
    http://www.breitbart.com/…/congressional-task-force-hezbollah-drug-trafficking- latin-america/
    Dec 21, 2016 … Shiite Iran’s proxy Hezbollah is operating a “virtually unopposed drug trafficking operation” in South America with links to the FARC.

  54. Zeke says:

    Lebanese Reports: Hezbollah Received ‘Game-Changing’ Weapons From Iran (Feb 2017)

    “TEL AVIV – Lebanon-based terror group Hezbollah is stronger than ever before, with “game-changing” weapons provided by Iran and an ongoing partnership with Hamas’ military wing, Lebanese reports have claimed.

    The group is also reported to have increased its military activity south of the Litani River on the Lebanon-Israel border, in violation of UN Security Council Resolution 1701….

    Hezbollah’s involvement in the Syrian civil war has allowed “a vast supply of advanced, state-of-the art weapons of various kinds, including weapons provided by Iran, to flow into Hezbollah’s depots,” the editorial said.”

    However, I can’t find the article that reported that the money from BO admin to Iran has been positively traced to arms purchases. So if I find it, I will bring it.

    Apparently HRC and BO don’t care as much about backround checks when dealing arms and supporting arms sales in the ME.

  55. Zeke says:

    Also, I really apologise for leaving the wrong link inre: D H o g g earlier.

    The reference I meant to leave was from a channel on YT which has now been taken down.

    Charles Walton was a LV researcher who has been removed from YT. He was pointing out that the boy had been a witness on TV (CNN?) before, and was possibly the son of a former FB I agent.

    In the past, the people on yt and reddit have done great work identifying people. Does any one remember when they discovered a college professor in an ifa garb? This kind of attention to detail is still important, even if it only turns up trivia about a person’s previous tv appearances as witnesses, and possible connections with the fed bur of inv.
    Social media heavily censored this content, saying it was “bullying and harassment.” So that is my apology for the wrong link.

  56. E.M.Smith says:

    No worries about getting a link wrong. happens all the time. I’ve done it.

    Sidebar:

    Want to run Linux tools on your Mac? Well, be a Fink!

    http://www.finkproject.org/index.php?phpLang=en

    The Fink project wants to bring the full world of Unix Open Source software to Darwin and Mac OS X. We modify Unix software so that it compiles and runs on Mac OS X (“port” it) and make it available for download as a coherent distribution. Fink uses Debian tools like dpkg and apt-get to provide powerful binary package management. You can choose whether you want to download precompiled binary packages or build everything from source. Read more…

    Ah, the joys of Linux Lovers 8-)

  57. Zeke says:

    Thank you very much. And of course if you like, you could remove it.

    Word press might start using algorithms looking for certain subjects and you don’t need that. Chief sir.

  58. E.M.Smith says:

    That would require I figure out which link is the “wrong” one… and I don’t really want to spend time on it. Per looking for topics: There are already bots that do that. Anyone who thinks they can get useful information about a blog owner from links in comments at their site is lacking clue… I can’t check all the links folks put up, only the ones that are obviously a problem. It is worse for high traffic sites. Heck, look at the stuff that gets into comments at places like national magazines and newspapers…

    So I clicked your links. Didn’t see anything bad. Wrong link? Not watching long enough to see what was a problem in a video? Not sensitized to some key code words or person’s name? Well, I have little interest in getting my sensitivities trained so I can be a snowflake and have an emotional melt down ’cause “Something is WRONG on the internet!!” ;-) If it bugs you, post the link again saying “This one” and I’ll delete the link (and that comment)…

    Otherwise I have something important to do (/sarc; alert!): I just found old re-runs of Comedy Club on Amazon Prime TV with Norm Crosby. He’s a comedian who was made deaf in W.W.II (IIRC) and made a carrier out of speaking like deaf folks actually hear. Swapping in “wrong” words. I used to love his stuff decades back, and that could not remember who did it. This show reminded me the name. After all, being worried about PC foibles is clearly not as good a use of my time as watching 50 year old TV Comedy ;-)

    Yes, I’m playing up the “What, me worry?” attitude…

  59. Zeke says:

    Okay, the bad link is here, at the bottom:

    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2018/02/19/w-o-o-d-19-feb-2018/#comment-91519

    Enjoy the WWII comedy!

  60. Larry Ledwick says:

    Practical solution (not that dissimilar to your move EM on an accessory locking device)

    http://www.kare11.com/article/news/students-invention-protects-his-school/89-520840852

  61. Larry Ledwick says:

    Just because it is cool!
    Old School Cigarette boats on cruise

  62. Larry Ledwick says:

    Meanwhile – – back at the global warming desk.

    http://www.euronews.com/2018/02/26/rare-snowfall-in-rome

  63. Zeke says:

    Dana Loesch: Under Fla Law, Broward Sheriffs Could Arrest Parkland Shooter | Newsmax.com

    “People keep calling these weapons of war,” she said. “This thing originated in the civilian market before it was adapted by the military. This is really a discussion about banning all semi-automatic firearms. And I wish that we could be genuine in our discussion of that.”

    “And AR-15s are going to be in that school protecting students and teachers when they return back to class,” she added.

    President Donald Trump has called for arming [correction: 10-20% of] teachers to protect students and themselves to prevent mass shootings.

  64. Zeke says:

    In Pres Trump’s CPAC speech, he points out that even the finest marksmen in the world, our own soldiers, have been shot by “crazed lone gunmen” in Gun Free Zones.

  65. p.g.sharrow says:

    All teachers should be required to have weapons training as part of their licensing. Those that wish should be allowed concealed carry. Protecting your students with nothing but your body sucks! Waiting for police that will arrive too late is STUPID! If only 3 % of the adults in a school are armed and trained this “Body count Game” will end. “Gun Free Zones” are just free kill zones…pg

  66. Another Ian says:

    “It’s the parts that make the whole, and it’s greater than the sum.”

    https://thepointman.wordpress.com/2018/02/23/its-the-parts-that-make-the-whole-and-its-greater-than-the-sum/

  67. Larry Ledwick says:

    On the gun issue:
    TruthInGovernment‏
    @TruthinGov2016
    “If We Can’t Have Our Military Holding Guns, It’s Pretty Bad,” Trump Moves to Overturn Democrat Rule that Bans Arms on Base

  68. pouncer says:

    Please look at the 2016 review of a self-defense product sold on Amazon and consider the advantages, and problems, of having these available to adults in our classrooms.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/RXG0TQ8WO9HDG/ref=cm_cr_srp_d_rvw_ttl?ie=U

  69. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting article on the gun question. Reminds of the same problems in climate debate,

    https://amgreatness.com/2018/02/26/gun-grabbers-deny-science/

  70. E.M.Smith says:

    @Pouncer:

    Not to worry, the PC Police have got that covered already. In Chicago you can not possess pepper spray without a permit. (Oddly, “Bear Spray” is OK…) So don’t drive into Chicago with your pepper spray thing on the key ring…

    Oh, and folks on drugs or crazy enough will NOT respond to pepper spray… Well, other than getting more pissed at you…

  71. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larry:

    It seems to be a standard tactic of The Loony Side Of Left: Just DENY the use of reason and facts. Make up whatever shit makes you feel good and shout that everything else is {Racist | Homophobic | Sexist | For The Rich | White Privilege | Other Identity Politics Groups I’ve Forgotten }

    Remember that more than 1/2 the people are of average intelligence and below. Making them think is hard and makes them resent you. Tell them to believe what you believe and they are good and ought to feel good is easy, especially if one of those things is “do drugs, it’s OK”…

  72. Larry Ledwick says:

    Well the gun control debate just went nuclear, Democratic House member is proposing a 2018 assault weapon ban which actually bans just about all semi auto firearms.
    It is 99.99 % sure DOA on the floor of the House but it is a go big or go home move by the Dems, if they really think they can get this passed, or just making points with the base will likely get creamed in the mid-terms if this even tries to go anywhere. Probably will never leave committee.

    (126 page)
    https://cicilline.house.gov/sites/cicilline.house.gov/files/images/Assault_Weapons_Ban_of_2018.pdf

  73. Zeke says:

    AB 424 in California: No concealed carry so/and teachers are not allowed to fire back during a school shooting.

  74. Zeke says:

    inre loony left — “Remember that more than 1/2 the people are of average intelligence and below. Making them think is hard and makes them resent you. Tell them to believe what you believe and they are good…”

    That is a very interesting remark. My experience is that all of the leftists I know are University educated and also happen to be long term smokers, not of tobacco.

    Results are going to really vary, I know!

    But my classmates, who are a mix of Phds, masters & bachelors, as well as my family, are all very left-leaning, and I know that they have the wall-to-wall entertainment world and media to reinforce their beliefs. That is the pattern. I did find a few very distant relations finally, and an aunt, who are patriotic and respectful of the Constitution, etc etc. They have always happened to be Christians. For me, my first change was spiritual, when I trusted Jesus, then gradually my perspective slowly changed on personal responsibility and accountability. It was gradual, and I wish I could say it was faster. Imagine my surprise when I discovered I had been taught “wrong” about quite a few other things, esp. about this country. Heh heh.

    But the desire to hold acceptable views according to one’s peers and as learned in University probably over rides many many cognitive functions. Peer-pleasing is one of the idols of the human mind, and a very powerful one. That is my guess, but others will have other experiences.

  75. Zeke says:

    Also, I feel that this is a very humbling time for all of us. Don’t we all feel a bit of horror and bear some responsibility for the creepy deep state, progressive globalists that we have allowed ourselves to support? Perhaps this is a time for a GreatAwakening, where both sides can unite on some real basics, like busting bad guys (the higher up and the deeper down, the better) and getting out of these horrible trade agreements. We can all go back to arguing with eachother afterwards.

  76. E.M.Smith says:

    @Zeke:

    The Left IMHO is of two tranches. One is the “Intellectual Elite” who have bought into the theory (ignoring the history of practice). Think Marx, Lennon, Trotsky, Mills, etc. The other is the Useful Idiots. Think masses with pitchforks going after the Russian Royal Family. The first is the college “educated” enamored of a dream that does not work, but “this time for sure!”. The second is the bus driver voting for more government health “care” as it promises to pay some of his bills.

    IMHO, there are far more folks at the bottom than at the top. The top of that heap is also sometimes cynically using it for personal gain while the bottom of the pyramid is hoping for some help with their daily struggles. Despair at the bottom is important to those at the top getting support.

    So you end up with the Schumers & Pelosis & Feinsteins of the world being much more visible, but it’s the mob of Antifa and BLM and Gov’t Janitor’s Union members that make the vote happen.

  77. Zeke says:

    Yes, absolutely. You probably have the broader picture right, re leftists, in better proportion than I do in my own personal experience, where they are always the University graduates. As you say, there’s the unions. But even unions are getting wise to TTP and NAFTA, so that is interesting.

    But this still leaves the question about who is patriotic and concerned about preserving the Constitution, and holds the country’s history in memory and affection.

    It appears that the rural areas are still attempting to get representation that is not anti-American, anti-free market, and is decidedly unwilling to tear out sections of the Bill of Rights.

    The pattern appears to be a problem with cities vs. the country. And as a citizen who lives in rural America, I bring this up because I really do need protection from voter fraud. My vote is constantly in danger of being cancelled by felons accidentally getting ballots in the cities, by college students voting twice, and other criminal behavior. The issue of voter fraud is going to eventually have to be looked at, very seriously. 2018 elections are going to require some real vigilance.

    There are other, more serious and sinister attacks on the red county demographics but that is another story.

    I hear some California counties are starting to talk… (:

    Rural Counties Try To Break Away From California:Dick Morris TV: Lunch ALERT!
    dickmorrisreports https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fnl9b214V8
    dur 2:18

  78. Larry Ledwick says:

    It is basically an issue of the social pressures in urban and rural areas. They require exactly opposite behavior patterns. In rural areas if you pass someone with a flat tire you stop and ask them if they need a hand, in the big city the same behavior might get you mugged or sworn at.

    A good urban citizen knows and goes to all the right restaurants and clubs, and get social brownie points for knowing how to work the system. In the rural area the folks looked up to show up in church most every Sunday, enjoy a quiet Sunday dinner with the family, and go to the kids foot ball games. In both cases the behavior is tribal but the definitions of the tribes are very different and the preferred behavior of members of each tribe is almost exactly the opposite.

    Self reliance and being true to your friends is a measure of status in a rural community, Having superficial “useful” friends that are willing to drop at a moments notice if they say or do the wrong thing is a measure of your value to your social group. Everyone strives to conform to the standard approved behavior (even if that approved behavior is outrageous dress or customs like doing the right drugs at the right night spots). In the Rural mindset (and it is more a mind set than a location) is one of being able to handle most any problem your self or with your small group of close friends. Giving a helping hand to your fellow tribe members (local plumber happy to help the local welder put a new welder on the back of his truck rather than hire some shop to do it for them.

    It is sort of like r/K split in populations, each group has very different behavior imposed on it to be highly successful or at least ranked as “worthy” in their own society sub groups.

    https://www.city-journal.org/html/oldest-divide-14042.html

  79. Zeke says:

    “The Left IMHO is of two tranches. One is the “Intellectual Elite” who have bought into the theory (ignoring the history of practice). Think Marx, Lennon, Trotsky, Mills, etc. The other is the Useful Idiots. Think masses with pitchforks going after the Russian Royal Family.” I see the imagery here and appreciate the picture.

    Remember that Russia had been involved in WWI for several years, and they had nearly 4 million war dead. –I do not have the figures for how many died of the Spanish Flu. The rural young men were being thinned out and not coming home. The Bolshies offered to end Russia’s involvement, and as soon as they got in power made an agreement with Germany. How convenient for Germany that the population was exhausted and the new gov’t would agree to German terms. And again, how convenient for Germany that Russia then secretly agreed to divide Poland with Germany later, in WWII. In the end, the sensible peasants were not so much radicalized as they were diminished in numbers and impoverished by war.

    Robert Conquest writes about the idea that it is by no means certain that the down-to-earth Russians would have listened to these fevered intellectuals had they not been dying by the millions. He makes a strong case that they would have had more sensible ideas for reforms. Where is that book…

  80. Zeke says:

    “It is sort of like r/K split in populations, each group has very different behavior imposed on it to be highly successful or at least ranked as “worthy” in their own society sub groups.”

    Which implies that it is a question of the survival of the fittest of the two, according to this philosophy.

  81. beththeserf says:

    The Soros connection. A leftwing organization called Rise-Up Org. that claimed
    responsibility for the May Day violence that erupted across the US on May 1st,
    2017, is a left-wing organization financed by Alliance for Global Justice, one of Soros’
    top 150, seven figure grantees. It is also funded, indirectly by Tides Foundation,
    number 3 on OSF grantee list. Tidegave AfGJ $50, 000, according to the AfGJ 990
    tax form.

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/03/look-who-funds-the-group-behind-the-call-to-arms-at-milos-berkeley-event/

    Many inter-connections, Rise-up is connected to Antifa, and Antifa is an alias of Refuse
    Fascism, which is sponsored by AFGJ which is funded by Tides Foundation which is
    also funded by Soros’ Open Society Foundation… Here a link that reveal the
    Rise Up Org. trail.:

    View collection at Medium.com

  82. beththeserf says:

    Link didn’t come up, it’s referenced in my 50th Edition Serf Under_ground Journal.
    That man is deep state.

  83. Larry Ledwick says:

    Not necessarily, their might be some symbiosis between the groups (we know that it exists in the case of food production), It might be more of ” what is the healthy balance of power between the two groups”.

    The intellectual side produces useful things like designing airplanes, and producing medical cures, creating world wide data networks etc. Which also benefit the rural folks. I think the problem right now is that the u/R split is now a bit out of whack that the majority of the u folks don’t produce anything that is really useful to the R types, and for that matter not really “useful” to the u types in the sense of making their urban civilization more efficient or resilient against insults.

    High density urban areas are always more brittle than diffuse rural areas, and if anything causes a major break down, in the urban support system, (pandemic, big one earth quake, nuclear attack on population centers etc.) the urban environment is much more vulnerable (like the type r selections) they will suffer massive population decline and collapse, where the same insult to a diffuse self sufficient Rural area would have much lower losses and in the long term easier recovery.

    For a healthy industrial society you need the Urban population centers to be mostly involved in producing productive products or services like the late 1960’s where your major manufacturing capabilities were in and around the Urban areas, but there was enough free leisure time for a small percentage to engage in things that improved the social environment (symphony, libraries, major learning and research institutes). But I think at some point when the Urban environment focuses most of its energies on things like entertainment and political organizations you enter an “urban cancer” stage where that non-productive, non-useful energy expenditure slowly eats the seed corn of the urban social structure.

    Just like the financial collapse culled the herd a bit, we need a collapse of the intellectual tribe where the country at large realizes they are useless parasites rather than productive researchers or carriers of culture.

  84. Zeke says:

    Here’s the link to Beththeserf’s article, which is partly about the bazaar use of the term “Open Society” by Soros.
    https://beththeserf.wordpress.com/2018/02/13/50th-edition-serf-under_ground-journal/

    ___

    I realize Chief was not talking about Russia or WWI or the Bolshevik Rev. He is just one of those people who triggers a lot of interest whenever he makes an off-the-cuff remark. I am married to someone like that, who just says one thing and the whole room kind of ignites…

  85. jim2 says:

    I assume this is a true story. Many here are of the sort of mind what might enjoy it. Personally, I’ve never been this panicked, but maybe I’m wrong.

    “On the one hand, the truths presented in the documentary were 180 degrees out of sync with my core belief systems. On the other, I knew deep down I had been living in the make believe world of the Matrix. When I convinced my wife to take a break and watch it with me, it only took one viewing for her to recognize the truth as presented. It was truly an epiphany for both of us, although not of the type one would usually classify as such.

    Our life was about to change in ways we could not imagine. ”

    http://twoicefloes.com/the-pendulum-part-one-retreat-to-high-ground/

  86. p.g.sharrow says:

    @jim2; in our 50s, we made that move 22 years ago. The end of the world was not on our minds, just the necessity of finding a real home after several years of being at the mercy of land lords that expect you to improve their property while jacking up the rent or selling their property out from under you.
    Having a real laundry list of requirements is Very important. Most land properties are for sale for a reason, They are losers for the purpose intended. Good acquitted water and fire resistant is most important and can’t be substituted. Soil and climate can be dealt with if necessary.
    https://pgtruspace.wordpress.com/about
    The 20 acres that we found, at the last moment, fit our needs after I completed the cabin see bottom of the page, Somehow GOD has nudged us along by fits and starts.
    As they say: You don’t always get what you want, but you will find, sometimes you get what you need.
    The END of the world has not happened….yet…..but I would not trade the last 22 years of country living for any amount of city living. I am a country boy and my lady, a city girl with a small business in Chico that she is getting really tired of. Maybe she will retire sometime, She is only 76 ;-) Move before you get any older because as you get older the needed work gets harder as you get older. ,,pg

  87. cdquarles says:

    Funny, I’ve always hated big cities. Though born in one, my parents moved out shortly after my sister was born. I’ve always lived in smaller areas, outside of the few years of post-grad training and one year in the relatively decent city of Huntsville. Once an area exceeds 100,000 people, in my opinion, it starts to break down. 60 years ago, when the culture was not as corrupted, you might have gotten away with living in a somewhat larger area and not noticed the rot so much. Now, unfortunately, the rot is even affecting small cities.

  88. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting observation about the media’s down fall ( I think they missed one qualifier here, this storyline applies to liberal young folks (under the age of 50 mostly) who never experienced things like the payola scams, or the historical perspective on how the media cooked coverage of Vietnam to sell the liberal agenda. I think it is however a legitimate aspect of the “waking” of the general public to how corrupt their media was and that they were being played like a hillbilly banjo by the spin masters.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payola

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/968690527754338304.html

  89. Larry Ledwick says:

    Note that this thread linked above is the very first time anyone has explained gamergate in a way that made any sense to me. I heard lots of chatter about gamergate but everyone assumed everyone else knew the whole back story and never bothered to elaborate on how the “scandal” developed and what the root issue of the scandal was.

    It is clear now that a whole generation of young folks had no clue how manipulated the news and political posturing was and was eating up the spin like candy. In the process getting sucked into ridiculous spin generated controversy theories. No one ever taught these kids to ask important questions about sources (Cui Bono) who wins and who loses if this is true, how likely is this story line. Does this story line fit with other related story lines or stick out like a red nosed raindeer in a herd of sheep.

  90. Another Ian says:

    More California – Link at

    “O, Sweet Saint Of San Andreas”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2018/02/o-sweet-saint-o-250.html

  91. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larry:

    I’d never heard of “gamergate”.

    I think the thesis has some merit, but I’d add a layer or two.

    IMHO, it was not just a single root in “gamergate”. It was the result of too much success generally in poisoning the well of independent thought in universities and journalism schools and then at every major media outlet. “They” ended up with a huge echo chamber and didn’t notice that their audience was not in that room with them. All sorts of folks started to see the disconnect between what was reported on TV, in news papers, on the radio; and what they observed and experienced. Then we began to talk with each other…

    So Fox News came from nowhere to become a dominant news outlet. How? By saying there was an echo chamber of “news” and they were not in it. Folks all over clicked to their channel.

    Some folks, like me, a long time Shortwave news listener, continued to do that; but added global web news. The disconnects became brilliantly lit.

    Breitbart and similar New News outlets came out of the background and the spotlight on the old media lies became a bonfire.

    Then we had all the Hillary Slime & Crime. It was obvious to anyone who cared to ask simple questions. WHY sell uranium mines to Russia? WHY were $Millions showing up in the family money laundry “charity” fund? Etc. etc. Yet media came there none.

    She got “put up again” as the Democratic Shoe-in candidate. Clearly the Clinton Machine was working. Even the Democrats saw it. (My Florida Friend, a lifelong Democrat, had some choice words…)

    So when Trump came along and said the truth, AND pointed out the castrated state of the Republicans From The Party Machine, a whole lot of people were stunned at The Truth That Shall Not Be Said!! being stated loudly and often.

    I don’t doubt that for many folks, it started with “GamerGate”. But I also don’t doubt that many of us reached this point via other roads and other starts.

    For me, the beginning was overseas news sources and Fox News, then when only 1/2 jaded at American Yellow Stream Urinalism, the whole Global Warming Fraud was being shoved down my throat against my will and without analysis. That pushed me over the edge from “Independent” voter to ABC (Anyone But Clinton) voter. And to some extent, ABRM – Anyone But Republican Machine. (Sorry Jeb… I know you were a good governor, but you are ‘Politico ex machina’…) I was about 6 months away from “Burn it all down” attitude. Had Madam Hillary won, I’d likely be there now. “Working for the resistance”. Be it Bernie or whoever. (Spouse has dual citizenship and I can get a British one – so the Commonwealth is an option – and we’d talked about bugging out… Thanks to Trump winning, ti’s ‘retire to Florida’ instead.)

    So IMHO it is a many rooted thing. As noted in the story, it will not quietly go away either. Eventually the Major Media will have a “Sadam’s News Minister” moment where they discover the whole world is just laughing at them… How long until they notice that saying “The American’s are NOT in Baghdad!” with American tanks clearly visible in Baghdad doesn’t work? Well, “Intelligence is limited, but stupidity knows no bounds. E.M.Smith” suggests it could be a long while…

    Until that day, an increasing number of “folks on the street” posting videos of events, and people with clue commenting on them, will be the major source of real news. The Fake News Kings may have to see their stock prices and readership hit zero before they get some clue. Until then, the internet will be “heavy with clue” for those who look.

  92. E.M.Smith says:

    @Zeke:

    Yes, it is s rural vs urban issue. Always has been. One of the Founding Fathers even said that our form of government would only endure as long was we were a nation that was rural and not made up of urban masses as in Europe.

    BUT, the majority of people live in major cities.

    So, for California, there has been an ongoing attempt to split off the more conservative / rural parts from the So.Cal. liberals for as long as I can remember. However, more vote are in the urban jungle of the Los Angeles Basin, so it will never happen.

    @Larry:

    Yup, exactly. Which is also why I don’t fit in either in the city or the country. I do NOT accept “social norms” and I do NOT give in to social pressures. I set my own agenda with my own rules, understandings, and norms. I point out the Stupid Behaviour when I see it, whoever does it. So both sides hate me… Though generally my attitudes are more in keeping with the country set. Do what is right. Stick with your friends (even if telling them what the did was stupid… while you fix it…) Be self reliant and capable. Not just “Army of One” but “Nation of One”.

    @Zeke:

    That is the “Burn it all down” attitude. The Russians reached that point with the Czars and their stupid wars (as did the French with their Revolution as did…) So just took what was available as the alternative. But they DID still take it.

    @BethTheSerf:

    Many vines of evil reach back to the tap root of Soros. What is needed is a countervailing force to it.

    @Zeke:

    Happy to be the guy tossing lit matches at gasoline ;-0

    I have an article up about Soros and his bizarre almost exactly backward use of the Open Society term where I look at that…

    @Jim2 & P.G.:

    As I have been trapped in the Urban area by Urban spouse and kids for the last 40 years, our present “going country” plan is an RV and a patch of dirt.

    What is the hard to get essential changes from place to place. Out West it is clearly water. In Florida, not so much. (inches fall each week year round pretty much, and the underground is all just a giant sponge of dissolved limestone / coral). In the desert, one need to worry nearly nothing about mosquitoes and their diseases. In Florida, it’s a major issue outside of urban areas. In heavy snow areas, winter heat is THE big thing to not screw up. In Phoenix, getting caught out in the desert without A/C can be lethal (as many have learned). Then there is always the sea. (With at least 3 and likely 4 generations of sailors on Mums side, I’ve a weakness for the sea…) It is possible to live on a boat in coastal waters essentially forever, only needing a place to pick up water from a river (and clean it). I lived on my 27 foot boat (when it was all I had) for a couple of years before I sold it. I’d fill the 40 gallon Diesel tank about 1 time / year (and that was often just a dozen gallons). Sails took me pretty much anywhere other than in and out of the marina (though I could get really close). As long as you like shark or the minnow like fish (about 6 inches to 8 inches long, but that family) you could have all you wanted. Though the minnow things need to be inspected for worms…

    While only a few places are the ideal place for a cabin and farming, many are good for sporadic hunting, fishing, and a garden. Just add well and RV. Or sail boat…

    @CDQ:

    I first noticed Urban Corruption in my little farm town of 4000 people. A wonderful old school that I attended to about 3rd grade was torn down to be replaced by an inferior “modern” thing of thin walls and noisy A/C. The old one had wonderful hardwood floors and doors, the walls were reinforced concrete of about a foot thick. It was designed to stay cool via thermal mass. Among the arguments presented at the City Council Meeting was that years of polish on the floors and doors made it a “fire trap”. I was bright enough, even then, to ask “How?”… and my parents explained to me that it really didn’t and I need not worry.

    Since then, I’d watched as other “contracts” for services were let to the local well connected “construction” companies at the expense of everyone else.

    IMHO, ANY CITY, no matter how small, is a corruption machine. Get thee to a rural non-city.

  93. Larry Ledwick says:

    I agree, each generation had its own path to the realization that there was really a uniparty trying to run things and being a D or an R only changed the talking points but the results were pretty much interchangeable.

    Gamer gate was a path exclusive to the new digital generation who are just turning old enough to vote or have only voted in one presidential election and who get all their news via mainstream comedy shows and the favorite internet forums.

    One of the newer internet pages I like is called “Chicks on the right” started by two conservative women who throw some good old southern humor and “bless his heart” analysis at current events. They recently added 2 younger “Chicks” who were fully aware of Gamer Gate, and have commented on it several times, but I never got the background to figure out why it was a big scandal in their digital generation, until reading that post.

    They have fantastic senses of humor too which makes following their stuff fun. Since they started their web presence they got offered a broadcast radio slot in Indianapolis and also do a daily radio show and face book etc.

    https://www.chicksonright.com/

  94. E.M.Smith says:

    @Another Ian:

    For all the folks leaving the SF Bay Area, there are dozens entering. Mostly from outside the USA. There’s a giant building effort to put up Agenda 21 style 4 story+ apartment blocks in all sorts of odd places. Lots of the older single story mixed use commercial is going that way, and some suburban areas are seeing it encroach.

    Who’s moving in?

    Well, judging from the folks I see in supermarkets and schools, LOTS of Hispanics (many illegal), some Asians (many Chinese buying their way in and some Japanese on company paid housing plans), Not seeing anyone, really, from the rest of the USA moving this way unless they land a Very High Paying job as executive or exceptional tech talent. Oh, and lots of folks from India.

    Santa Clara, near Lawrence Expressway and Stevens Creek / El Camino is a great indicator. Watch what ethnicity of restaurants dominate. It is now more Indian food. When I first moved here, more was Pilipino and Japanese and “white guy”. In between they went through a Korean phase and a China phase. All depends on who’s doing the most business here and where the workers are being imported from. To Taiwan and Philippines when I first got here and we actually had them assembling semiconductors. Then Japanese when they were buying things here. Now Indians as the H1B visa flood drives out the native tech workers. The Hispanics have been a constantly rising tide, but mostly live on the east side of San Jose. They are over 50% of San Jose and the local schools look like somewhere in Mexico with a few ex-patriot white families mixed in.

    So there’s a constant influx of new meat for the grinder to keep prices being driven up. Until it collapses…

  95. Larry Ledwick says:

    Wonder what that match box housing will do when they have a big quake?

    Does it look suspect in the construction style?
    If they are cutting cost corners to get affordable housing for that influx I would not expect it to tolerate a big shake.

  96. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larry:

    Well, California DOES have fairly strict building codes. OTOH, it’s just this kind of 3 to 4 story stuff that fell down in the Northridge Quake and in the Marina District of S.F. in the Loma Prieta quake. Though they had parking on the first floor and non-seath-wall pillars. This stuff tends to be all apartments or have businesses on the first floor.

    IMHO, it’s a bit of a crap shoot. It will depend on the size of the quake. A 7 it’s probably fine as the 6.9 / 7.2 of Loma Prieta mostly brought down things on stilts. (1 st floor garage with pillars and freeway on stilts). In anything 8.x it’s toast (in my opinion).

    Folks have forgotten that the REASON the “California Style” was ranch house of single story and urban offices in flat things was just those quakes. Tall things don’t survive as sell.

    True Story:

    In the Loma Prieta quake, we (my staff and I) were in a 1 story. Not a bad ride, really. I kind of enjoyed it. I even at one point shouted out “Woo Hoo surfin’ the P wave!”. My bosses boss was in Civic Center Tower (about 9 stories IIRC) giving a presentation. The top of the tower swayed much more. He had a TV Set tossed at him off of a cart, the was slammed by a door as he tried to get “in the doorway” as was recommended then. (STUPID thing to do, IMHO, as the door IS swinging). Essentially, the building survived well, though it beat up the occupants.

    I now refuse to work in the top 1/2 of a high rise long term….
    and prefer to be in things of less than 3 stories.

    Now, “that said”:

    The Loma Prieta quake released the energy of the lower half of the SF Bay Area San Andreas. There isn’t enough in the top half (near SF) to “go” as the 1908 quake let it loose. IMHO, that side of the bay (west) has a couple of hundred more years before another Great Quake.

    However…

    The Hayward / Calaveras system (East side – Oakland / Berkeley / Milpitas / Fremont) usually lets loose a few years near the San Andreas. It’s been a Looonng time for it. IMHO it’s the next great quake. It will wipe out lots of the east bay.

    When I bought my home, I studied the USGS soil maps and fault maps. I’m about equally distant from both systems and on good solid soil. As I’ve already come through a 7.x on the part of the San Andreas near me, I ought to be good for at least as much from the Hayward / Calaveras. In other words: I have chosen well… (Others not so much…)

    now, with “that said” that said:

    I’m still hoping to sell out of here before anything happens.

    Oh, (I’ve lost track of where it was being discussed…. a nice white wine involved ;-) on the topic of “moving out”:

    I asked my Son if he was interested in having the California House (i.e. was he ever moving back) and he said no. The State was too full of crazies… Now consider that for a moment. UC Honors Graduate in Business, not interested in Free & Clear home in California. So I’ve go the go-ahead to sell out and buy something in Florida he will like to inherit. Now realize that my dinky ( under 1000 sq. ft.) old (about 60 years) stucco (oh, will you get stuck-o!) house in California would buy me TWO, not one but 2, homes of about 3 x the area in a “gated community inside a gated community” on a lake front in Florida.

    So why did I ask The Son? Because under California Prop 13: if sold to or inherited by a close relative, taxes do NOT go up. Since I’ve owned this about 30 years, my taxes are way low. (Couple of grand per YEAR). IFF sold, taxes will go up to about $1200 / month. Yup, JUST for the property taxes. So once we “sell out” it is a one way move for not just the spouse and me, but our kids as well. I’m making sure they want to be locked out of California by taxes prior to making the commit.

    Think about that odd dynamic for a bit…

  97. Larry Ledwick says:

    UK is still getting socked with winter weather:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-43202018

  98. beththeserf says:

    Here’s a case study re the consequences of guvuhmint interventionism.
    Do – not – subsidize.

  99. Another Ian says:

    Re urban/rural

    There was a comment at SDA recently that

    “Cities are reservations for white people”

  100. philjourdan says:

    @E.M. – “Intelligence is limited, but stupidity knows no bounds. E.M.Smith”

    It seems many of us came to that same conclusion independently. I have said for a long time that “Genius is limited, stupidity is limitless”

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  102. Zeke says:

    inre: urban/rural realities

    LL says, “But I think at some point when the Urban environment focuses most of its energies on things like entertainment and political organizations you enter an “urban cancer” stage where that non-productive, non-useful energy expenditure slowly eats the seed corn of the urban social structure. …we need a collapse of the intellectual tribe where the country at large realizes they are useless parasites rather than productive researchers or carriers of culture.”

  103. Zeke says:

    That is very interesting, because the “collapse” of the Urban entertainment/political organization may already be upon us, in part. We are each having our moments when we realize the extent of the top-down manipulation in all of our institutions of learning and media. (Remember the wikileaks email, in which the president of the country music awards (??) said that they need people “unaware and compliant”??!)

    Larry offers “gamergate” as an example of a potential “red pill” for young people. So, many people are realizing that we are completely surrounded by a massive Mockingbird Media. And what’s more, the right has its mockingbirds as well — these do not want Trump and are hoping to block and undo, and are waiting in the wings to install a green progressive globalist instead (MR).

    I do appreciate my hippy mom because she raised us without television, and I have continued the family tradition. The Urban “entertainment/political culture” which monopolized American media has been pervasive, but only now have I accepted that it has been so powerful and effective that the entire country has allowed it to shape our view of each other and our selves, and reality. It has both erased and replaced our history. And this has been very deliberate.

    There is a Bigger Red Pill coming…The red pill was on the A Weiner laptop, and involves so, so many of the trusted pop icons, infobabes, tv personalities, businessmen, politicians, and therefore, the deep state.

  104. Zeke says:

    Does any one remember when Comey re-opened HRCs FBI email investigation? This is key.

    What happened is that the NYPD started investigating, and searched the W ei ner lap top, and they found 650,000 additional emails. The content included evidence that was so sick and “so disgusting they gave it to the FBI, and they said, ‘We’re going to go public with this if you don’t reopen the investigation and you don’t do the right thing with timely indictments.’” So Comey re-opened.

    This lap top evidence will not be suppressed. By now it is copied and spread like down feathers on the wind. President Trump has issued an EO that allows law enforcement to freeze the assets of people involved in human rights abuses, read: human trafficking.

    Has any one noticed just how many of these people have stepped down lately? Even Sor os transferred his funds to a proxy after this.

    ref http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2016/11/04/erik-prince-nypd-ready-make-arrests-weiner-case/

  105. Larry Ledwick says:

    We have talked about this in the past. EM is this what you are looking for?
    http://www.businessinsider.com/light-phone-2-cure-for-app-addiction-2018-2

  106. E.M.Smith says:

    @Zeke:

    In the 50s to about the 80s, there were 3 dominant networks and THEY determined what everyone watched. Every significant city had a Major and a Minor paper, but smaller cities only had one. THEY determined what you read.

    When word went out, it was consistent everywhere. Drum up support for the war. Drugs are bad. Oscars are important…

    Now we’ve got so much media it is impossible to control and shape the message. People are self shaping more (though “Community Organizers” are still trying to control the narrative). News papers are increasingly on-line too, so not just The One Local Paper. Then even the major papers are busy going out of business. ( I used to take 3 papers, now zero.)

    Watch a traditional Network with them forcing me into appointment TV?
    No way!

    In fact, it’s gotten to where I’m advertising intolerant. The Roku has thousands of channels. I’ve selected about 310 (at last count) that interest me. I’ve watched some of most of those. What I’ve discovered for me and the spouse is that about 95% of our collective time is spent on Netflix and Amazon Prime. Netflix getting about 3/4 to 7/8 of it.

    I’m a news junky by nature, but the 4 Walling of “Get Trump!” has turned me off of the “news”. I’m now down to about 30 minutes a day, and most of that is on non-USA sources.

    Essentially, those wishing to influence the message and shape my opinion must deal with the fact that I’m not reading their papers, not watching their news, and not even getting the secondary PC Spin from their TV Series. I’ve got a lifetime of GOOD movies and GOOD TV available with zero of their influence in it; and not enough time to watch all of that GOOD stuff; so they get nothing.

    Oscars? What are those? Nightly Propaganda show? How last millennium.

    A couple of nights ago, we watched Casablanca again. Wonderful. I’m nearing the middle of season 3 of “El Minesterio del Tiempo” and loving it. (Lots of digs at government incompetence in it ;-) And so it goes.

    So just how are they supposed to get their “message” through to me, eh?
    Just not going to happen.

    My son is even more so. He (and his generation) were “Netflix only” about a decade before me. They watch one or two selected shows a night. Zero commercials. Zero “news”. The kid has a favorite cartoon show he gets to watch. That’s IT.

    So to extend your thesis: I think that the Red Pill moment is being driven from both ends. Those in the echo chamber are getting ever more “outside the envelope” bat-shit-crazy and those outside, when they Do take a peek, are so far removed from it that they just look at it and shake their heads… On the one side, the “Blue Pill” is getting crazier and crazier and harder to swallow. On the other side, lack of “indoctrination” is pushing folks away from the message when they see it.

    What it looks like to me is a race condition. Ever less control and influence paths for larger parts of the population, in a race with increasing levels of “ignorance from news isolation”. That lets those in power have more leeway as long as they stay under the radar, but it also means that when it does make it to the general awareness, they go down harder. (Look at the blowback the whole sex predator meme generated taking out lefty-loose-pants all over the place when the target was Trump and Republicans. Someone forgot who was most getting in pants where they didn’t belong… then they forced it to public awareness. Oooops!)

  107. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larry:

    General idea, yeah. There will be increasing commercial availability of security aware phones over time, so I’m in a bit of a race condition.

    My present phone is an LG semi-dumb phone. It claims to have ‘web access’ but on a 1 inch square screen it really doesn’t do anything worth mention (plus it’s a decade or so out of date on software, I’m sure, and you must do things to ‘launch’ internet access). It’s great for phone and text messages, but has no “aps” per se. (Does have a real if very small keyboard though ;-)

    The question is: When will it die?

    The battery is now down to 1 day of standby. I think in about 2 years it will be on corded life support. Between now and then, either I make a phone of my liking, or someone starts selling them. I’ll find out when my phone is down to a 1/2 day of standby ;-)

    FWIW, I’ve got a couple of old “phone only” GSM phones in my junk box. Worst case I get a GSM service and put the sim card in one of them…

    But the idea of a Pi-Phone is calling me ;-) Pi Zero, small touch screen, sim / GSM radio… I can make one about the size of an older android phone, but with all software under my control. Then again, so many projects, so little time…

    There was a PGP phone project going at one point. Automatic encryption of phone and text messages with compatible equipment. I ought to look up how far they’ve gotten…

  108. Larry Ledwick says:

    I would like a simple desk top “cell” phone you could use in the home office instead of screwing around with micro virtual keyboards. Maybe a 3 inch high by 6 inch wide real querty keyboard?
    small 3×5 lcd, and a reasonable sized speaker.

  109. jim2 says:

    This looks interesting … secure VOIP phone …

    http://www.zfone.com/prod_zfone.html

  110. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larry:

    I think that’s called an iMac ;-) Or maybe MacBook Air…

    (I know… VoIP not phone number / radio…)

    @Jim3:

    Yes, very. Right people making the encryption stack…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZRTP

    ZRTP (composed of Z and Real-time Transport Protocol) is a cryptographic key-agreement protocol to negotiate the keys for encryption between two end points in a Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) phone telephony call based on the Real-time Transport Protocol. It uses Diffie–Hellman key exchange and the Secure Real-time Transport Protocol (SRTP) for encryption. ZRTP was developed by Phil Zimmermann, with help from Bryce Wilcox-O’Hearn, Colin Plumb, Jon Callas and Alan Johnston and was submitted to the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) by Zimmermann, Callas and Johnston on March 5, 2006 and published on April 11, 2011 as RFC 6189.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twinkle_(software) Twinkle uses it (open source VoIP for Linux)

    Looks like opportunistic encryption is hitting critical mass:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol

    SIP works in conjunction with several other protocols that specify and carry the session media. Media type and parameter negotiation and media setup is performed with the Session Description Protocol (SDP), which is carried as payload in SIP messages. SIP is designed to be independent of the underlying transport layer protocol, and can be used with the User Datagram Protocol (UDP), the Transmission Control Protocol (TCP), and the Stream Control Transmission Protocol (SCTP). For the transmission of media streams (voice, video) SIP typically employs the Real-time Transport Protocol (RTP) or the Secure Real-time Transport Protocol (SRTP). For secure transmissions of SIP messages over insecure network links, the protocol may be encrypted with Transport Layer Security (TLS).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_SIP_software

    “This list of SIP software documents notable software applications which use Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) as a voice over IP (VoIP) protocol.”
    […]

    Servers
    Free and open-source license

    Asterisk
    Cipango SipServlets 1.1 application server
    FreeSWITCH
    FreePBX
    GNU SIP Witch
    Issabel, fork of Elastix
    Kamailio, formerly OpenSER[1]
    Mobicents Platform (JSLEE[2] 1.0 compliant and SIP Servlets 1.1 compliant application server)
    Mysipswitch
    OpenSIPS, fork of OpenSER
    SailFin
    SIP Express Router (SER)
    Enterprise Communications System sipXecs
    Yate
    YXA, based on Erlang

    Proprietary license

    3Com VCX IP telephony module: back-to-back user agent SIP PBX
    3CX Phone System, for Windows, Debian 8 GNU/Linux
    Aastra 5000, 800, MX-ONE
    Alcatel-Lucent 5060 IP Call server
    Aricent SIP UA stack, B2BUA, proxy, VoLTE/RCS Client
    AskoziaPBX
    Avaya Application Server 5300 (AS5300), JITC certified ASSIP VoIP
    Bicom Systems IP PBX for telecoms
    Brekeke SIP Server, SIP proxy, SIP registrar, SIP NAT, TCP/UDP
    Cisco SIP Proxy Server, Cisco unified border element (CUBE), Cisco Unified Communication Manager (CUCM)
    CommuniGate Pro, virtualized PBX for IP Centrex hosting, voicemail services, self-care, …
    Comverse Technology softswitch, media applications, SIP registrars
    Creacode SIP Application Server Real-time SIP call controller and IVR solution for carrier-class VoIP networks
    Dialogic Corporation Powermedia Media Servers, audio and video SIP IVR, media and conferencing servers for Enterprise and Carriers.
    Dialexia VoIP Softswitches, IP PBX for medium and enterprise organizations, billing servers.
    IBM WebSphere Application Server – Converged HTTP and SIP container JEE Application Server
    Interactive Intelligence Windows-based IP PBX for small, medium and enterprise organizations
    Kerio Operator, IP PBX for small and medium enterprises
    MERA Systems VoIP softswitches with sbc, H.323/SIP proxy
    Microsoft Lync Server 2010 & 2013
    Mitel Communications Director
    NEC SV7000 back-to-back user agent SIP PBX
    NEC UNIVERGE 3C Unified Communications and Collaboration software
    Nokia Siemens Networks hiQ8000
    Nortel SCS500
    Nortel SIP Multimedia Communication Server 5200
    Objectworld UC Server
    Oracle Communications Converged Application Server (OCCAS)
    Oracle WebLogic SIP Server
    REVE Systems Mobile VoIP, Class 4/5 Softswitch with integrated billing and Bandwidth Optimization solutions
    Spirent SIP Server Platform
    ShoreTel IP phone systems with unified communications and contact center built in
    Snom One free/blue/yellow (Snom acquired and renamed pbxnsip) (SIP)
    Speedflow Communications VoIP class 4/5 softswitches with integrated billing, transcoding, SIP-H.323 converter.
    Sterlite Technologies Neox IPPBX, IMS – ISC, Dial Center – OmniChannel Call Center, IVR solutions
    Sun Microsystems Sun GlassFish Communication Server
    Tadiran Telecom Coral Ipx family and Aeonix softswitch
    Tandberg Video Communication Server – SIP application server, media server and H.323 gateway
    TrueConf Server – video conferencing server software, SIP gateway
    Unify OpenScape Voice, OpenScape 8000 SIP softswitch, mediaserver, … (SIP)
    Voice Elements Inventive Labs’ .NET Voice Development software and SIP stack platform.
    Wildix WGW series Unified communication platform up to 5000 users on a single server. Up to 65535 users on WMS network
    Zultys MX250/MX30 IP PBXs for SMB and enterprise

    Clients
    Free and open-source license

    Blink, OSX, Linux, and Windows
    Ekiga, formerly named GnomeMeeting, GPL
    Empathy, using GTK+ libraries and Telepathy framework, GPL
    Jitsi, a Java VoIP and Instant Messaging client with ZRTP encryption, for FreeBSD, Linux, OS X, Windows; LGPL
    KPhone, using Qt libraries, GPL, for Linux
    Linphone, with a core/UI separation, the GUI is using GTK+ libraries, for Linux, OS X, Windows, and mobile phones (Android, iPhone, Windows Phone, BlackBerry)
    MicroSIP, lightweight softphone, using PJSIP stack, for Windows
    QuteCom, formerly named OpenWengo, using Qt libraries, GPL, for Windows, Mac, and RPM- DEB-based Linux[2]
    Ring, with GTK+/Qt GUI, also supports IAX2 protocol, for Linux, OS X, Windows GPL
    Telephone, OS X softphone written in Cocoa/Objective-C
    Twinkle, using Qt libraries, GPL, for Linux
    Yate client, using Qt libraries,[3] GPL[4]

    Proprietary license

    Blink, for Mac
    eyeBeam and X-Lite, for Windows, OS X
    LifeSize Desktop, for Windows
    Phoner and PhonerLite, for Windows, Voice: G.711, G.722, G.726, GSM, iLBC, Speex, Opus; security: TLS, SRTP, ZRTP
    Polycom PVX, for Windows. Voice: G.711, G.722, G.722.1, G.728, G.729A, Siren Codec; Video: H.261, H.263, H.264; Data: T.120, People+ Content, H.239, H.323 Annex Q far-end camera control
    Windows Messenger versions 4 and 5 (not to be confused with Windows Live Messenger or MSN Messenger which do not support SIP)

    Discontinued

    Gizmo5, formerly PhoneGaim, based on Pidgin[citation needed]

    Mobile clients
    Free and open-source license

    Sipdroid for Android, GPL v3
    Linphone for Android, BlackBerry, iPhone, Windows phone; GPL v2
    CSipSimple for Android, GPL v3
    Ring for Android, GPL v3

    Proprietary license

    Acrobits for iOS and Android

    Session border controllers
    Main article: Session border controller

    Acme Packet Session Director
    Audiocodes Mediant
    Genband Quantix SBC
    Ingate Systems Ingate SIParators
    Metaswitch Perimeta
    Kamailio

    Enabled firewalls

    Check Point VPN-1 firewalls, include complete SIP support for multiple vendors
    Intertex SIP transparent routers, firewalls and ADSL modems, for broadband deployments and SOHO market
    Cisco PIX/ASA firewalls include complete SIP support
    The firewall feature in Cisco IOS includes complete SIP support
    Secure Computing, SnapGear firewall includes siproxd SIP proxy, Sidewinder 7 firewall includes a SIP proxy
    SonicWall, supports SIP
    D-Link Firewall DFL-210/260/800/860/1600/2500 supports SIP (SIP-ALG) with firmware 2.20.01.05 and above
    ZyXEL ZyWALL P1, 2Plus, 5 UTM, 35 UTM, 70 UTM, 1050, USG 100, USG 200, USG 300, USG 1000 supports SIP-ALG
    Fortinet, all FortiGates running v280/v300 builds
    Linux Netfilter’s SIP conntrack helper fully understands SIP and can classify (for QOS) and NAT all related traffic
    Juniper Networks Netscreen and SRX firewalls include complete SIP Application Layer Gateway support
    Netopia Netopia supports ALG
    PF, built-in OpenBSD firewall PF can handle the NAT through the “static-port” directive and the bandwidth control through the built-in queuing system of SIP connections
    pfSense, a firewall/router distribution based on FreeBSD and PF; has QoS that properly tags VoIP traffic and a SIP proxy package that is available for NATed endpoints. Its functionality can be expanded with packages like FreeSWITCH, a free/open source software communications platform for making SIP, voice and chat driven products.

    Libraries

    oSIP

    Test tools

    Ixia (company) commercial SIP-VoIP and Video test and emulation and load test platform
    Mu Dynamics: commercial SIP-VoIP, RTSP-IPTV Triple Play service assurance platform
    Codenomicon Defensics: commercial test automation framework

    So the question will be robust interoperability. Will the Android, iPhone, and Linux versions play well together? (Microsoft usually does not play well with others, IMHO by design)

    Wonder how the voip phone number works for mobile clients (variable ip address…)

    Maybe it’s time for me to look again at encrypting mobile phones.. And how many SIP things are negotiating encryption…

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