Hey UK! Dr. Viner! The Kids DO Know What Snow Is Now.

Watching Sky news, they are reporting all sorts of outages all over the UK due to snow.

Somewhere around 50 folks stuck on a train for 1/2 a day as the power rail was frozen.

Airports all over shut.

Schools are shut.

Four Wheel Vehicle owners helping rescue stranded drivers and ambulance drivers.

Military called out to help get hospital workers and police to work.

Highways shut. Hundreds of folks stuck in their cars awaiting “rescue”.

One of the news readers looking very tired as he only barely got to work and that with too little sleep.

Snow. Lots of it. All over the UK.

Here’s an older article when the UK got into a snow pile before, 8 years ago:


I love Michelle Malkin. Such a charmer and with such a wit. She quotes the global warming wet pants brigade here:

Global warming, the heating of the atmosphere by increased amounts of industrial gases, is now accepted as a reality by the international community. Average temperatures in Britain were nearly 0.6°C higher in the Nineties than in 1960-90, and it is estimated that they will increase by 0.2C every decade over the coming century. Eight of the 10 hottest years on record occurred in the Nineties.

However, the warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which are less cold than in much hotter summers. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”.
“Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” he said.

Hey, Dr. Viner! I think the children are very much aware of the snow now, and I’m pretty sure everyone with a car or telly has a clue what snow looks like.

A blizzard will do that for you.


So why isn’t Dr. Viner being presented on the BBC and Sky and outright laughed at? His “predictions” were exactly wrong and all of the UK knows it now. At least twice in a decade.

There needs to be a public tongue lashing for anyone making such stupid-wrong statements and trying to set policy based on them. The nutty bars need to be called out, and culled out, of their institutions (and perhaps inspected for admission to other institutions…)

I wonder if we can start using sales figures for 4 Wheel Drive Vehicles as a snow and cold gauge / proxy… It ought to work better than the corrupted thermometer data…

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12 Responses to Hey UK! Dr. Viner! The Kids DO Know What Snow Is Now.

  1. A C Osborn says:

    Sorry E M you have it completely wrong, yes he was wrong, but only because he didn’t realse that Globull Warming caused Polar warming which causes freezing temps and snow all over the Northern Hemisphere.
    They have learnt to make up some new rules since he pontificated, now everything can be explained by Globull Warming.
    CO2 is a magic molecule, it can do anything you can think of.
    /Sarc Off

  2. oldbrew says:

    Viner did say people would be shocked if there was a ‘rare’ snowfall IIRC. The question now is whether these things become more frequent than before (last 20 years or so).

  3. philjourdan says:

    “A” snow storm is weather. “A” hot day is climate.

  4. E.M.Smith says:

    Watching Sky today:

    Snow and Ice north to south, east to west… skip loaders hauling it from streets, air ports still closed. Even emergency services struggling and the Army called out in places.

    It will be interesting to watch the sorting process. Sorting the indoctrinated and stupid, claiming this is “climate chaos” and cold because it is hot, from the Clueful, who will be seeing loads of frozen, snow and cold and saying the Global Warming King has no clothes on…

    A very good opportunity to identify the hard core Warmistas…

  5. H.R. says:

    I think this is the appropriate thread for the following.

    Dear Dr. Viner,

    Neener, neener, neener.


  6. Steve C says:

    One thing not too evident from a lot of the coverage is just how much snow it takes to derail the UK. I saw something online which said it perfectly: “In Britain, they call it ‘The Beast From The East’. In Finland, we call it ‘Wednesday'”.

    Here in the Midlands, we’ve had 2 or 3 inches this week, although there was a nice little “drift” on the scaffolding currently outside my window which must have reached, oh, eight or nine. Yeah, cold, but not extreme. (The scaffolding is for roof repairs btw, courtesy of the landlord. Great timing! ;-)

    Some of our chaos also undoubtedly comes from the fact that, mostly, we don’t actually get that much snow in Britain, so councils are generally not that well prepared. In many rural areas, farmers will bolt a snowplough attachment to the front of their tractors and do the job, as no-one else is. Having central government hosing local councils down with AGW BS probably doesn’t help, either.

  7. Verity Jones says:

    BBC have been quick to step in with “Reality Check: Where in the world is snow getting rarer?” http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43158532 The problem with it is that the average periods 1961-1990, 1970-2000 and 1981-2010 are long. We’ve had mild winters in the recent decade but also snowy periods – 2009/10/13 were notable. If we are heading into cooling or ‘more snow’ it will not show up in this kind of analysis for another 20 years.

  8. catweazle666 says:

    “Some of our chaos also undoubtedly comes from the fact that, mostly, we don’t actually get that much snow in Britain”

    We certainly used to.

    But around 2000 or so the Met Office advised the Government which advised the Councils that as “snow was now a thing of the past”, they could get rid of their snow ploughs and gritters and sell the premises where the machines, salt and grit were stored and lay off some of the staff as they were surplus to requirements.

    About three years later, it all went horribly wrong, they had to rent ploughs and gritters and approach a friend of mine who had been forced into early retirement to please please come back and show them how to set up the equipment and operate it – but not before they had written off two new ploughs due to utter incompetence.

    As to the railways, this is how snow was dealt with in the days before diesels with little wheels

    I’ve actually seen big ploughs – often double-headed – ploughing through six and eight foot drifts at speed on the Settle-Carlisle line in the 1950s and 1960s, really something to behold, that!.

    No “wrong sort of snow there”!

    The same on the roads, I had a Morris Oxford – big heavy car with tall narrow wheels – that thought nothing of six or eight inches of snow at thirty or forty MPH, sliding a bit but nothing to worry about.

    Now I have a Mercedes Benz with wheels twice or three times the width of those on the old Oxford, show it an inch of snow and it’s practically undriveable.

  9. Robert says:

    Europe is experiencing some appallingly racist weather. We need our weather to be more inclusive. Perhaps more dust storms or acid rain are needed?

  10. Larry Ledwick says:

    Plowing snow at Goodland Ks. on the Kyle Railroad

    Two Diesel Electric locomotives pushing a plow in Goodland Kansas at about 20-30 mph.

  11. Nic says:

    Hi EM. Yes we had a little bit of snow in the UK and, in the grand scheme of things, it wasnt very much. I’ve read a number blogs criticising the UK for litterally grinding to a halt because of a couple of inches of snow but i dont think the snow was the problem. To illustrate what i think was the problem, I will tell you this; on Thursday evening last week I drove home from work, a 12 mile journey in the east of England, through 0.5 ins of snow at no more than 25 mph. It wasnt the snow that made me cautious as I’ve driven in 12-15 ins of the stuff without problems…it was the 1 ins of clear ice under the snow that made me cautious. I think most folks here see snow as inconvenient but ice is way more of an issue. When roads, runways and paths are effectively skating rinks and points and switches on the rails are frozen then it gets pretty dangerous Cheers. N.

  12. E.M.Smith says:


    I think the wind was a big factor two. Mix high wind and ice under snow, it’s a mess…

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