The Insanity That Is Modern Sociology

In the ’70s I made the mistake of taking a Sociology class at University. What I’d expected was something more like Cultural Anthropology. What I got was essentially P.C. Evil. In it I discovered a “get whitey” and “men are evil rapists” culture dedicated to self flagellation when not busy requesting that anyone not black, Hispanic, or a woman be summarily shot, after torture. (Well, not quite that bad… but headed that way. Some of the T.A.s thought shooting was a bad idea as it involved guns and simple castration would be enough).

I protested their views, being from a conservative farm town, and I asked uncomfortable questions.

I got a failing grade.

I then pointed out to the professor-ess and then to the appeals non-process that, per the published course syllabus, and despite their being a clear erasure of a better grade on my final exam essay and it being replaced with a D- that even using that clearly punitive grade, my total points said I ought to get a passing grade… Despite all that, I was informed “Well, the professor can assign any grade they want.”

Well, the University system (outside departmental control, unlike the appeals non-process) did allow for a repeat of a class to expunge a crap grade with a do-over for something like up to 12 units. Some time later I took that option. Oddly, I was randomly assigned to the same professor. Lucky for me, it a class of 400 kids, a year later, some guy named “Smith” sitting in the back row doesn’t stand out.

Fully 1/3 of our grade was an “Intellectual Journal” where we “Explored our day to day experiences of Sociology”. I decided to go full on Jump The Shark parody. I got “Good Job!” and “Original Thought!” and a B+ … I wrote my “Intellectual Journal” by sitting at my typewriter on the 3rd floor of the dorm, looking out my window, and spouting utter Bull Shit. But I dressed it up in Their Words and it was slanted, whenever possible, as “get whitey” and “Men bad, Women Good”. When possible, beer was applied – liberally of course.

OK, I got what I wanted and moved on. But it left me with a profound disgust for all things PC and for the absurdity of the notion that the University was a place either of learning or of questioning. It wasn’t and isn’t in the “Sociology” areas. (It was in the hard sciences… thus my career path.) Should you have a child in school who shows some curiosity about Sociology, have them run screaming from the department, and the idea of taking any class in it, as quickly as possible.

Well it turns out that same crap is still on-going; but it isn’t just one professor at my school. No, it looks endemic in the entire field. IMHO, the best thing that could be done for our educational system is to simply close down and expunge all “sociology” departments. They do no good. They do not educate. They have no ground truths to impart. They are only P.C. indoctrination centers with roots in Marxist doctrine.

So, an example:

Over at SDA I ran into this:

U of Toronto: Should we hate them ’cause they’re Jews, or can we hate them ’cause they’re white?

Which in usual terse fashion has a link to a story about a professor who is accusing a student of being an Israeli Agent (and he says that like it’s a bad thing?) and then that “hate them” is a link to an abstract of a paper:

Now, just to prepare you for the quote that follows, please remember that the words YOU know will look a lot like the words THEY USE, but they mean something else. For example you will now learn the jargon “Critical Whiteness”. Now you might think that could mean something like criticizing the degree of brightness of a paint chip, or even in a human context of wondering at what critical level of blandness of skin one gets chucked into the “White” bucket on forms. But no, you would be wrong. “Critical Whiteness” means “White Privilege” and just who gets it stuck to them by whom for being white. Believe it or not, it’s a whole academic sub-species of it’s own. (I’d call it “academic study” but no real study is involved…)

Critical Whiteness Studies and the “Jewish Problem”
Balázs Berkovits

Published Online: 2018-04-03

30,00 € / $42.00 / £23.00 Get Access to Full Text


The “whiteness” of Jews has recently become a popular topic both in public debates and in academic research (Critical Whiteness Studies). Within this discourse, “whiteness” is used as a critical concept denoting those who enjoy white privilege in American and other Western societies. However, attributing “whiteness” to Jews is more than controversial, for it assimilates the most persecuted minority in European history to the dominant majority, while downgrading the significance of antisemitism. This is a necessary move in order to reaffirm and critically address the fundamental nature of the black and white divide; however, it is questionable both methodologically and politically.

Keywords: whiteness; white privilege; “Jewish problem”; critique; racism; antisemitism

Yes folks, for a mere $42 you can get access to the full text of this 16 pages of Fine Sociology… Good for at least a week of “Clean up on isle #2” in the outhouse…

Imagine the wisdom that can come from endless hand wringing over the pain and suffering of tossing Jews into the Whitey group. Suffer the 2nd hand angst of emotional trauma of deciding that “Get Whitey” can, in good conscience, include “Get the Jew Boy!”. Know the inclusion and happiness of participating in “a popular topic both in public debates and in academic research (Critical Whiteness Studies)”

Now I, personally, am going to ask one of those same annoying questions I asked oh so long ago:

Some of my ancestors arriving in America were Irish Indentured Servants and similarly “Poor white trash”. The other side were folks who worked iron by hand at a forge, and some farmed the land by hand personally looking at the south end of a north bound (Amish) horse. We never had plantations. Never had slaves. Never had much of anything. Just why am I supposed to feel “white guilt” or pay “reparations” to modern blacks who in many cases are descendants of those slave holders? (See the story of President Jefferson and Sally as one example).

In New York City during the Irish Diaspora there were signs in the windows “No Irish need apply” (for jobs). Stories were told that Irish were lazy drunken good for nothings, who were of low intelligence, and had tails. Oh, and liked to despoil honest Christian Women so stay away from them. Sound familiar? Basically all the same stuff said about blacks.

Needless to say, that didn’t go over well.

Now, to phrase that in Sociology-speak, what I ought to have said was:

The early Irish arrivals in America were persecuted by the established male dominated white classes. In many ways this ethnic population was characterized as a black population. Yet their white coloration allowed them to infiltrate the dominant privileged culture and “pass”. Over time, they adopted all the regular White Privileges. This is an area that deserves much closer study. At what point did the early Irish cross the threshold to Critical Whiteness and become, as the Jews are become today, oppressively White? We need to understand this transition so we may more fully understand the ongoing barriers in the black – white divide, to know what critical factors allow this transition to Whiteness, and how the people so transformed move from oppressed to oppressor, why they welcome, even pursue White Privilege, and how in the modern world this can be redressed.

Or some such similar bloviating. It’s been a few decades since I ran the “Sociology BS Spouting Subroutine”, my Bafflegab engine is a bit rusty, and I’m out of beer. With a 6 pack and a couple of hours warming up I could do better… but you get the idea.

Now realize that YOU are shipping money on the order of $100,000 / year kind of costs at the professors who spout that kind of trash. They do NOTHING to improve the performance of our society. The children run through their “classes” come out damaged, not improved. Governments and societies who listen to them are degraded and stumble. You get to pay for all that via your taxes.


Why does it keep happening?

Why on Earth do we spend all that money for things that are destructive of wealth, culture, and social order? Why fund something where the only result is strife, anger and pain?

I can’t see any reason to do so.

Yet there it is.

Want to improve “Western Society”? Close down the Sociology Anger Mills of our schools (and all the related Special Interest Anger Studies groups like “Black Studies” and “Women’s Studies” that are all just subsets of the same “White Men Bad” anger studies genre). Simply chuck it and tell the kids they need to go study Classical Literature if they can’t hack it in the Engineering or Science departments. Things would improve greatly.

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49 Responses to The Insanity That Is Modern Sociology

  1. Another Ian says:

    Around this area IMO

    “Mann and Lewandowsky’s polar bear paper enters bizzaroland: Climate change leads to more…neurosurgery for polar bears?”

    “Indeed, there was the predictable reaction to the paper. Judith Curry referred to it as “absolutely the stupidest paper I have ever seen published.” ”

    More at

  2. Ian W says:

    It is all atavism and the requirement to ‘other’ a group. So the source of racial bias is the othering of a group then the attribution to that group by [psychological] projection of the faults of the group doing the othering. So the Sociologists are actually othering white males then projecting their faults onto the white males. This is a standard atavisitic trait of humans, especially those that for whatever reason feel aggrieved or underconfident. Sociology is an atavism and sociologists ‘other’ various groups: jews, whites, blacks, hispanics then depersonalize them and use projection onto those groups to make themselves feel better.
    Indeed sociology should be seen as a psychological problem.

  3. Sera says:

    Shut down all of the “humanities” and go back to basics. So, critical whiteness has nothing to do with increased light fastness?

  4. jim2 says:

    I’m done with all the PC BS also. Anything they get out of me will have to be done the hard way.

  5. A C Osborn says:

    Don’t forget this only applies to the Males of the species, the females are all OK as long as they join “Metoo” etc.

  6. philjourdan says:

    The Thomas Jefferson/Sally Hemmings issue is not quite settled (DNA analysis points to Tom’s brother, not himself). But the point is made. No one is pure anything (other than stupid as demonstrated by your professor).

    That being said, I had the great fortune of attending a Catholic College, where we were required to take the requisite 4 classes in those ethereal subjects, but 2 had to be in religion (to their defense, my “History of Early Christianity” was taught by a Methodist minister). SO I never was subjected to “sociology” (I took 3 religion courses and the 4th was psychology – where I learned my eternal contempt for the subject as well).

    Sadly, my children were not so fortunate, and 2 of them majored in the subject. And yes, they are the cookie cutter sycophants telling us how evil we are for being born without a tan.

    But it is interesting that these narrow minded bigots in higher ed do not look outside their box. Yes, predominantly white nations have a predominantly white culture. Just as predominantly black nations have a predominantly black culture, predominantly asian have asian, and south american have south american (sometimes mistakenly called latino or hispanic) culture. And the contempt for those not of their color is more pronounced than the inclusiveness of the European ones (try to get Mexican Citizenship). These idiots in their tenured halls have so limited their intelligence – on purpose – that they cannot see their own home grown and nurtured stupidity. Nor will they ever. They are the Rachel Dolezals and Sean Kings of white culture. Trying to fix a problem that does not exist (like redefining chromosomes between X and Y).

    We are in the middle of a new dark age. But not one of lack of access to knowledge, but the intentional suppression and corruption of knowledge.

    Until there is a counter-revolution where basic science is once again used for the growth of the knowledge base (or unless), we are headed for or are in the new dark ages.

  7. Larry Ledwick says:

    Definition : Expert
    Someone who learns more and more about less and less until they know a whole lot about nothing.

    (my Dad’s view of experts)

  8. jim2 says:

    PhD = BS Piled higher and Deeper.

  9. E.M.Smith says:

    @A.C. Osborn:

    I was going to add “English Speaking” to the list of attributed on the “the only people NOT in a protected class are Non-Hispanic Christian Straight White Males between 18 and 50.” quote in this comment;

    But decided it was not adding much. In reality, though, “language minority” is also a category…

    So yeah, only applies to the MINORITY of the population who are men, and only the white non-Hispanic Christian younger than 50 subset of them. (Though in some contexts other than work / hiring the Hispanic males and the Old Man males can also be targeted… as long as they are not Muslims that is…)

  10. Zeke says:

    It’s been a few decades since I ran the “Sociology BS Spouting Subroutine”, my Bafflegab engine is a bit rusty, and I’m out of beer.

    Not a bit of it — that was a perfect sociology abstract!

    In Marxist doctrine, an essential step to the destruction of the capitalist system is alienation — meaning the alienation experienced by the individual in advanced industrial societies.

    But I think it does not need to even be that specific; there is not reason to limit the discussion to Marxist methods.

    It is simple to see that all of the anti-American, anti-Western philosophies (which are many) have used nearly every brance of study to promote the idea that most people in the free, English-speaking Protestant countries are alienated, estranged, and disaffected by the “prosperity and greed” of their own cultures. This alienation theme was a central to the hippie Counter-culture movement, and was dealt with through drug use, elimination of traditions, disgust with domestic life because of gender roles, a fear of 9-5 jobs, and various other protests against all American history and holidays. Literature in particular somehow became full of alienated individuals so I would not go over to that department.

    Now to illustrate. Sometimes I pick up free books that have been donated, but can’t be sold for one reason or another. Usually these books have been on a shelf for several decades, and someone is clearing them out. I picked up a paperback the other day which had been on the best-seller list in 1970 and 1971:

    Look at that cover. Look at the words on the cover. I will just say it gets worse from there, and is divided into chapters dealing with several types of people, Consciousness 1, Consciousness 2, Consciousness 3 and so on, who are participants in Western culture but estranged in various clinical and psychological ways. The Greening of America could not be accomplished without the Dr. Reichs of the world telling the young people that it was all empty and meaningless and that there had to be a Revolution. It was the plan all along. It had to begin with the alienation of a generation, who would then cast our entire identity, history, language, and law in a dank and dour light, using at first the Universities and popular culture, then subsuming all other areas of culture and science.

    Now people are starting to notice that anti-Western sentiment has no rational limitations in its calls for the destruction of the English-speaking countries. And what is rushing into the vacuum is not what they anticipated.

  11. Zeke says:

    But what I find the most distressing is the complete and total confusion about what “Western” culture actually is, and how it developed. The idea that it somehow falls along racial lines is utterly ridiculous, but some people are clearly falling into that trap. So much of our identity and memory has been erased and replaced by TV and media, that the thought of the task of teaching it to 250,000,000 people is too monumental.

    But there was an event which I hope may end up “turning on the light” for the entire nation. It may provide a way of discussing this whole mess with people who have no frame of reference in understanding our past.

    Does any one remember back in February of this year, when Attorney General Jeff Sessions was addressing the National Sheriff’s Association, and he referenced the “Anglo-American heritage of law” that is the foundation of the office of the sheriffs in this country?

  12. Zeke says:

    Here is the news coverage:

    Sessions invokes ‘Anglo-American heritage’ of sheriff’s office –…/index.html
    Feb 12, 2018 – Attorney General Jeff Sessions on Monday brought up sheriffs’ “Anglo-American heritage” during remarks to law enforcement officials in Washington.

    Jeff Sessions: Sheriffs are important part of ‘Anglo-American heritage ……/jeff-sessions-sheriffs…anglo-american…/333457002/
    Feb 13, 2018 – “The office of sheriff is a critical part of the Anglo-American heritage of law enforcement,” the attorney general told the National Sheriffs’ Association on Monday.

    Jeff Sessions spoke of the ‘Anglo-American heritage of law ……/jeff-sessions-spoke-of-the-anglo-american-heritage-…
    Feb 12, 2018 – Attorney General Jeff Sessions on Monday praised the nation’s sheriffs — then referenced the “Anglo-American heritage” of law enforcement. “I want to thank every sheriff in America. Since our founding, the independently elected sheriff has been the people’s protector, who keeps law enforcement close to …

    Jeff Sessions remarks on ‘Anglo-American heritage of law enforcement’…/jeff-sessions-remarks-anglo-american-heritage-law-enfor…
    Feb 12, 2018 – Attorney General Jeff Sessions called sheriffs a “critical part” of the “Anglo-American heritage of law enforcement” during a speech Monday.

    Jeff Sessions Faces Fresh Racism Charge After Praising ‘Anglo …
    Feb 12, 2018 – Attorney General Jeff Sessions, whose political career has been dogged by allegations of racist comments, faces a fresh backlash after harkening back to the “Anglo-American heritage of law enforcement” during a speech to the National Sheriffs’ Association on Monday. “Since our founding, the …

    Florida sheriff: Jeff Sessions’ Anglo-American comments ‘divisive’…/Florida-sheriff-Jeff-Sessions-Anglo-American-comments-divis...
    Feb 13, 2018 – Florida sheriffs had mixed reactions Tuesday amid backlash against U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions for his invocation of law enforcement’s “Anglo-American” heritage. “The office of sheriff is a critical part of the Anglo-American heritage of law enforcement,” Sessions said Monday during a National …

    Sessions’ reference to ‘Anglo-American’ legal heritage concerns some ……sheriffs/story?…
    Feb 13, 2018 – Attorney General Jeff Sessions sparked controversy Monday after making reference to the “Anglo-American heritage of law enforcement,” a comment interpreted … The term “Anglo-American law” is frequently used in legal circles as a synonym for “common law” and the term, as well as the role of sheriff in …

  13. Ian W says:

    And the end game of this ‘sociology’ ….

    But it’s OK – as it is only whites that are being murdered.

  14. Zeke says:

    It is astonishing that this was turned into a racial remark!

    The ignorance of the public, in the opinion of the Media Inc., must be so complete that they thought they could make a reference to Anglo-American law into a racial comment.

    Anglo-American law was in fact totally unique in the rights it gave to the individual citizens. There was no other European country (let alone the other continents) which developed these rights, until after the enormous success of the English and American models showed the rest of the world how a democratic republic could not only work, but also become the place where the genius and energy of the people were unleashed.

    It began with the Magna Carta in 1215, but was further advanced by Puritans in Parliament who were seeking to protect the English people from the rank abuses of the monarchs. In 1628 these rights were agreed to by the king under great duress and threat of cutting off tax revenue, and later in 1689 Parliament passed the Bill of Rights.

    There was no other country who developed this limitation on its monarchs, the representation through parliament, and this liberty and rights for its people. Even today, Europe does not have habeas corpus! That’s the law that forbids the black vans from coming and picking people up at night, to be imprisoned and tried somewhere, never to be seen again!

    So does any one see what I am seeing? This incident with AG Jeff Sessions may be the eye-opener for an entire country. The rights are simple, and can be written on a single page, and were totally unique to the Anglo-American legal tradition. It demonstrated to the world what liberty and rule of law could accomplish for all people.

  15. E.M.Smith says:


    Thanks for that. I’d missed the whole story.

    So stating the FACT that the elected local Sheriff is critical to the prevention of a police state and the FACT that it comes directly out of an Anglo-American root is an offense? So are we now supposed to describe “Tea & Scones” as a black nationalist heritage just to be PC?

    Just attack dog (bitching) tactics, IMHO. Sessions is an honorable man and they are just trying to create mud to throw at him to hound him from office. The fear of Sessions is strong in them…

    IMHO much of the slander of Sessions and similar attacks on others just smells of the EU Centric POV. Don’t know if it is Soros (Hungarian) driven or Germany in general or the EU “Parliament” / apparatchiks or Russian pot stirring or “whatever”. It clearly is “un-American” and “un-British” in tone and character. (Though a few decades in the EU has seriously eroded the British Character with which I was raised…)

    @Ian W:

    In Sociology land it would be seen as fair balancing of the ledger, after all, the ancestors of these whites were the ones who “took” the land from the local blacks and oppressed them (into civilization… and prosperity…). Yet somehow the same process applied by Rome to the Celts of Europe is NOT seen as a horrible thing… And only a little guilt attaches to the British doing the same to the Irish in Ireland…

    The reality is that most, almost all, the responsibility attaches to the Royalty & Emperors and their Aristocratic inner circle and nearly none to the poor whites who were equally oppressed under them. What a few dozen revolutions were fought over to establish democratic republics in The West. Basically “White Privilege” is really a misnomer and misdirection. It was the Royals & Aristocrats who were privileged and the rest of us already took care of that in most places.

  16. D. J. Hawkins says:

    A few years ago I developed a keen interest in my antecedents. Naturally, well after anyone who could shed some generational light on things had passed. In the course of building my family tree on Ancestry, I found out that 15 out of 16 great-great-grandparents immigrated from the Auld Sod, between 1850 and 1885. The sixteenth wound up fighting for the North during the Civil War. I have little patience for rent-seekers who claim I “owe” them reparations for the suffering of their ancestors. Well, I felt that way before I knew where I came from but this was just icing on that cake.

  17. Another Ian says:

    There is that saying about books of advice that all too often they follow the mould of

    “How to do it and not get it” written by “One who did it, got it and can’t get rid of it”

  18. Another Ian says:

    Canada. No doubt we’ll try to follow

    ” Over the years, federal environmental assessments have measured everything from the number of endangered lynx near a proposed New Brunswick mine to the presence of dragonflies and butterflies at a British Columbia hydro site.

    But under new federal legislation tabled in February, the scope of impact assessments is being broadened well beyond fauna, requiring project proponents to take into account “the intersection of sex and gender with other identity factors.”

    Part of the Liberal government’s embrace of gender-based analysis, the new provision has left environmental lawyers puzzled over how the provision will work if the bill becomes law.”

    “It’s not designed to “work”. It’s designed not to work — until all the right palms are greased.”

  19. Jeff says:

    Here is Tom Lehrer’s musical opinion of “Sociology” (as opposed to REAL SCIENCE).
    The tune is that of “Choreography” sung by Danny Kaye in White Christmas; the sentiment
    is about the same :)

    Tom Lehrer “Sociology”

    This is a subset (proper, indeed) of “The Professor’s Song”, both brilliant and funny…

    Lehrer (and apparently many of his colleagues) have little but scorn to show for
    the “soft sciences”, which tend toward astrology as opposed to astronomy…

    There are a number of vids out on YouTube, as well as a DVD that he made
    in response to the popularity of said vids. “Pollution”, “The Vatican Rag”,
    and “Poisoning Pigeons In The Park” are but of few of his masterpieces.

    He taught at UC Santa Cruz for many years – not sure if he’s retired yet…
    (fwiw “Lehrer” means “teacher” in German – kinda fitting).

    P.S. He’s both a Math Professor and a brilliant parodist; sort of a
    precursor to Al Yankovic… wish I could have gone to some of his classes…

  20. Jeff says:

    Here’s the original, with Danny Kaye singing “Choreography” in “White Christmas”
    from 1954!!! Still sounds modern today, 64 years later… Even in musicals they had
    problems with “fake science” :) (Also really funny, look at 0:50 )…..

  21. Jeff says:

    @Another Ian, Pointman had an article the other day with an accompanying pic about Turdeau
    which pretty much hits the point: (Do you ever look at stuff and wonder how it got there? )

  22. E.M.Smith says:


    LOL… really… Just so right ;-)

  23. R. de Haan says:

    I look at stuff and wonder where it suddenly went…
    Like the Christian Calender that vanished from the latest Mac/Ios software update.
    Not that I am religious but I some times check this calender to plan long weekends that include Christian holly day’s
    When I did some research why I now only could choose from a Jewish, Islamic or Mexican Calender, I stumbled on this article:

    Don’t know the guy and from reading some of his other articles I’ve got the impression I was dealing with a sleeper Commie here but his conclusion on the Christian Calender disappearing from Mac/Ios system software is spot on.

    This by the way is what he has to say about the USA and what could be expected in 2018.

  24. R. de Haan says:

    Something else disappeared: The Magnetic polarity of the Northern top of the sun’s hemisphere.

  25. E.M.Smith says:

    @R. de Haan:

    Um, doesn’t a solar “tip” belong in Tips or W.O.O.D. instead of a page about Sociology? I’m not a big stickler on it, but it becomes hard to find things later when they get too mixed up…

  26. R. de Haan says:

    Modern Sociology…. even worst a merciless ideology: Another one from Roberts

  27. Zeke says:

    inre: RDHaan’s link
    “Today Christmas has been reduced to a spending spree.”

    Right, but a spending spree for others, not ourselves. Christmas is also a time when certain carols and songs fill our days, when we show hospitality to friends, family and neighbors; we write little cards to people who are far away just to “keep in touch”, we give to charities, and there are overall, because of the first chapters of Luke, lots of images of heightened angelic activity — reminding us of the world beyond this one. And while my appreciation has grown over the years for the beautiful symbols of life and love reflected in a complete Cresh, I have also come to love Mr. and Mrs. Clause. They, when together, celebrate the beauty of grandparents, of generations past, and how much joy it gives them to see the next generation receive good gifts.

    It is very interesting that before Thanksgiving and Christmas, we celebrate Holloween. This is a night of wicked imagery, hellish creatures; and there is an emphasis on sweets in excess — I think this is a reminder of the temporary pleasures linked to evil. This yearly cycle is wise. One wicked holiday, followed by two of heaven’s holidays. After all, one third of the angels fell in L’s hostile war against everything Divine.

  28. Zeke says:

    Yo-Yo Ma, Alison Krauss – The Wexford Carol

    dur 4:20

  29. llanfar says:

    @R. De Haan

    I still show Easter on my iOS w/ latest 11.3…I held off a couple patches, so maybe they put it back in to stave off blowback?

  30. R. de Haan says:

    @Llanfar, Good to hear. I’ll get at it right away.

  31. R. de Haan says:

    E.M.Smith says:
    6 April 2018 at 2:25 pm

    Point taken E.M, you’re entirely right. Will do my best to remain “on topic”.

  32. Sad to hear about your experience with sociology. In fact your question about the Irish immigrants is a really good sociological question. Too bad you didn’t pursue it. Reading between the lines here it sounds like you went in already determined that you knew what you needed to know, and when you encountered other perspectives, you were equally determined to simply reject them based on some sort of rhetoric about something you call “PC.” If that is correct then I would suggest you missed an opportunity to do some thinking, which is what a lot of people go to university to do. So, kind of a sad waste of time for everyone involved.

  33. E.M.Smith says:

    @William Little:

    “Nice try” at remote diagnosis, but no. You are quite wrong. “Reading between the lines” with me is generally a path to failure. I say what I mean, I don’t hide it “between the lines”. Anything you find there comes from you, not me.

    I went in naive and hopeful, looking forward to greater understanding of how social systems operate and learning about different people around the world. What I ran into was a radical left wing “white man” hate machine that was entirely intolerant of ANY questioning of that world view. Asking my “good Irish question” got me a big slap down. Pursue it? ASKING IT and a couple of others, got me a failing grade and the need for a “do over”. (As Mensa level of I.Q. it was not my ability to learn that was the issue… then the “do-over” grade confirms it. Just playing parrot and play acting Liberal White Man Guilt got a great grade…)

    As to “something I call P.C.”: It’s not my definition. It’s pretty well known what that means. Women good, men bad, minorities oppressed and bad done by them is to be forgiven, whites bad must be repentant and guilty (despite my ancestors having nothing to do with any of it). As a rough thumbnail sketch. Then raising such minor points as maybe all men are NOT evil gets you a swat down.

    As to “opportunity to do some thinking”: It’s what I do substantially every waking hour. Can’t shut it down really. (That whole Aspe thing). I was reading my sisters Abnormal Psych book when I was in High School, as just one example. I had my own encyclopedia set then too and read it. I’ve learned several languages just to find out about the people and how they think. In fact, I find it an absolute JOY to learn about other peoples and cultures and think new thoughts. (See the dozens of articles here about some bit I’ve just wandered into and found interesting.) Frankly, what was most disappointing about the Sociology class was the LACK of thinking. It was all parrot the political line good, ask questions and challenge bad.

    So no, not even close. Why? Because “It isn’t about ME”.

    As to the “waste of time”: Absolutely. I wasted 12 units worth of my time on the crap they were pedaling and they wasted 2 x seats in the Political Correctness Left Wing Indoctrination Forum on a guy who is an independent thinker and likes to ask questions not just absorb the propaganda.

    Now, was that ALL Sociology classes everywhere? Certainly not. I’d hope somewhere there’s a few with a more open mind and broader perspective on life. Perhaps even one that thinks men are not troglodytes and isn’t racist against whites. Unfortunately, whenever I’ve read some of what they publish or advocate, it’s quite clear the majority is pushing the Marxist agenda and the Politics of Division. Things like

    The “whiteness” of Jews has recently become a popular topic both in public debates and in academic research (Critical Whiteness Studies). Within this discourse, “whiteness” is used as a critical concept denoting those who enjoy white privilege in American and other Western societies.

    That’s not my words, that’s what was published. Now if that doesn’t just shout “Anti-White Racist” at you, your mind is firmly snapped shut. If it doesn’t shout “predicated on White Guilt as normative” I suggest finding other work than sociology.

    Yes, I would love to have that 12 units of my life back. But it wasn’t a complete waste of time though. It awakened in me an awareness of the Socialist Propaganda Machine and got me watching for how it invades and perverts education and government.

  34. Oh well. It just doesn’t sound like what goes on in the majority of sociology courses, so it’s difficult to understand what you’ve described. Maybe your situation is an outlier, certainly not a reason to reject sociology as such. On the theme of ‘PC, yes I would suggest you do some thinking on the topic instead of going along with the heard. PC originally was the demand that people behave ethically and respectfully towards others. Behind all the political noise, I’m not convinced otherwise.

  35. E.M.Smith says:

    Once something has gone well off the rails into LaLaLand, where it originated is of little importance. So maybe PC started out “from a good place” but it has become little more than Social Tyranny. As to Sociology in general now not being “that way”, while I’m sure somewhere you can find some bit that is good; pretty much every thing I’ve read of it since then has confirmed a strong bias across the board and a very strong tendency to reject any POV that is “right wing” or “conservative”.

  36. I guess my point is more that “PC” as you describe it does not exist, except as political jargon. The question is whether or not people can be respectful of others or not. That is the standard that public figures should be held to, and, in the social scientific context, it is difficult to imagine a credible scientific attitude to the people one is studying without it.

  37. H.R. says:

    @William Little: “The question is whether or not people can be respectful of others or not.”

    Ah… I’ve been following and I think I see where you wound up. I was raised to behave with common courtesy and politeness to all. (A classic teaching in my youth was, “If you can’t find something nice to say about someone, don’t say anything.”) You seem to be referring to that as Political Correctness, if I’m correctly reading that sentence you wrote.

    I went through a phase lasting about 15 years where for periods of time, I’d only read literature from specific decades, such as the 1890s, the noughts, the teen’s, ’20s or ’30s. I was fascinated by how language changed noticeably from decade to decade.

    Anyhow, this article pretty much covers my understanding of Political Correctness as I encountered it during the 1960s, and influenced by my prior readings. I can’t recall a time that I associated PC with anything other than suppression of speech in order to control behavior. But that’s just my experience with the term. YMMV.

  38. E.M.Smith says:

    “PC” as I described it, is exactly what exists. Just look at the assault on free speech on campuses today. All PC driven. It is now forbidden so speak truths such as that Blacks have 10% higher bone density and smaller lung capacity than whites, so make great sprinters but poor swimmers. Or just try to say that women are more sensitive to smells and textures than men and maybe that ought to be considered, or even that lacking upper body strength, they don’t make the best Navy Seals…

    It is the subservience of reality to Political dogma and goals that puts the Political in Political Correctness. It is indistinguishable from all the other forms of Thought Police pushed by forces on The Left against free thought everywhere.

    We just had the founder of Papa John’s Pizza driven out of his company because during a discussion about a training session for “sensitivity training” he used the “N-Word”. Doesn’t get more abusively PC than that. How do you say “don’t say FOO” without ever saying FOO? Eh?

    Just incredibly stupid at the core.

    We need IN-sensitivity training, not sensitivity training. Having every damn fool who gets vapor lock over some imagined slight able to drive folks from the public square and private offices is just asking for abuse and what have we gotten? LOADS of “abuse for effect”.

    BTW, I’ve been through “Managers and the Law” and “Sensitivity Training” several times at Silicon Valley companies as it was required for EVERYONE. M&Law every 2 years. I’m not coming to this from a naive position. I barely avoided being fired when a “Young Thing” wiggled her bare midriff at me (between a too tight knit top and hip hugger low rider tights) as my training included avoiding “elevator eyes” (yet another imaginary slight). I never looked below the chin so thwarted her attempt to get me in trouble with H.R. (later found out she already had one law-suit in progress…)

    While it was my job to inform her that her clothing was inappropriate for the workplace (as my employee) I was “sensitive” enough to NOT do my job and not “notice”. Saving me and the company a second set-up-for-money.

    PC is a crap way to run a culture and is ripe for exploitation for effect, and is rabidly exploited both on campuses and in businesses by those with an agenda. If you can not see that, you need to get out more often.

  39. ossqss says:

    I am reminded of an old PC Christmas story ;-)

    I hope this works from my mobile

  40. Larry Ledwick says:

    I already took insensitivity training – the phrase was:
    “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me.”
    “Don’t let him get your goat!”

    Parents and teachers used to teach kids not to let trivial things bother them and get over it, now they actively teach kids that it is their “duty” to be offended and try to suppress the offense/offender.

  41. Jeff says:

    For those who remember Danny Kaye’s brilliant send up of “Choreography” in “White Christmas”
    (OK, and everyone else), here’s what Tom Lehrer [n.b Lehrer is “teacher” in German], a professor of math who has studied the hard (i.e. REAL) sciences, thinks of sociology… Soft-serve science, as it were…

    He’s also a famous satirist, having composed for TW³ (That Was The Week That Was) (yep, those were his songs), and performing when he wasn’t busy “Professing” Advanced Calculus and other subjects (At UC Santa Cruz, among other places). His “Pollution”, “Vatican Rag”, “National Brotherhood Week” (talk about PC), and “The Elements Song” are classics.

    Anyway, the tune is the same as Choreography, as is the level of comedy.

  42. Jeff says:

    Here’s the “source”, Danny Kaye doing “Choreography”
    from “White Christmas”

    And another, also borrowed from Danny Kaye (also says a lot about science paper publishing :) )
    Tom Lehrer: Lobachevsky (1960)

    And an “anti-paean” to the folksong army and the elites (had them back in 1960, too)
    Tom Lehrer: The Irish Ballad (1960)

  43. You put this in such dramatic terms–“suppression of speech” or earlier “social tyranny”–but honestly what is the difference between what you call “PC” and the demand that people behave morally and speak with respect to each other? Is a parent telling their child not to call people names “suppressing speech” or exercising “social tyranny”? Is the outcome of this complaint about PC and moral behaviour in the public sphere some sort of new radical immorality? Or, what is the goal of your criticisms?

  44. E.M.Smith says:

    My criticisms have no goal. They are descriptive of observation.

    You can see the damage done by PC Tyranny every day in the news. Your disingenuous attempt to paint it as some kind of “Politeness Lite” is silly. Folks have careers ruined and there are rampant demonstrations including bonfires in the streets over WORDS. Often not even words that were spoken but words someone ELSE decided ought to be an issue.

    Berkeley goes nuts and breaks windows and burns facilities to prevent hearing an alternative point of view from polite, conservative, speakers. Papa John’s founder is hounded from office after a consultant preparing for a “sensitivity training” process, goaded him into using the N-word (and NOT in a pejorative way, just in a “Don’t say FOO” kind of way). Good luck figuring out if it’s OK to say Black, African American, Person of Color, or ‘whatever’ as a COP describing an observed perpetrator. If a 6 foot tall Black Male robs a store, a cop ought to be told the subject was a 6 foot tall Black Male (in many jurisdictions now, they can NOT state race in a description of a perp).

    Each one of those is a real event that happened. The list is thousands long of similar things I’ve observed or seen in the news. If you can’t see that, not my problem.

    So I call my black motorcycle buddy my Black Buddy. Someone wants to get “panties in a bunch” over that, they can get a load of my attitude toward PC too. I LIKE my Mexican food and I’ve been known to wear a sombrero (as it is a great sun shade AND I grew up with them); someone wants to start shouting about “Cultural Appropriation” and they will get a load of MY Hispanic heritage growing up with a Mexican best friend. (Note a nice young girl was recently publicly harassed for wearing an Asian dress to the prom. Her crime? “Cultural Appropriation” because she liked the way the dress looked. THAT is where PC crap leads. Terrorizing young women over dresses.)

    Can you start to see the problem now? By using Anti-White Prejudice to define folks and ASSUMED BIAS you manage to piss off those of us who are not so afflicted.

    Now, if you want to assert there is no suppression of speech, schedule a conservative speaker onto the Berkeley campus (or better yet, show up yourself with the topic “Why Blacks are responsible for their own shootings” and see how far you get (despite most Blacks being shot by other Blacks). You want to assert there is no “social tyranny”, ask publicly how many N-Word candidates were in the pool for your last opening. See just how long you keep your job (even if you have a notebook stating your intent is research into the social reaction to inflammatory speech). Note that Black Athletes regularly call each other N-word…. (As did my Black Buddy about some guys who walked into the bar where we were drinking). Or even just stand next to a Confederate Statue and make a speech about the importance of remembering our history.

    There is an extant cultural war on anything non-Left. Promoted and funded for effect. Details widely discussed and documented. (Soros, his Open Society Foundations, Tides Foundation, “Color Revolutions”, and so many more). ALL leveraging Political Correctness for Effect.

    It is NOT about “being polite”. It is about cultural war.

  45. cdquarles says:

    Do you want to know what life was like during Jim Crow where it was enforced? Today, that’s called political correctness.

  46. Well, as I was saying, I am still not very clear on what the difference is between basic public morality, or expectations of good behaviour and what you are calling “PC”. If you extract the drama and hype about “cultural war” etc and look at the content of these criticisms soberly, is it so tragic that it shouldn’t be acceptable to call the descendants of African slaves “niggers”? Morality has always ranged from “lite” to heavy and the modern attempt to frame moral issues in terms of universal values like equality and rights instead of the idiosyncratic values of specific theologies seems worthy, even if it is complicated.

    In any case, I will leave you to your discussion with your friends. It was just interesting that you seem to initiate all this commentary with your bad experience with sociology. Going back to your claim that your interest in studying the history of the Irish in America was somehow invalid in sociology, it just seems fascinating to me that you somehow managed to get through your sociology courses without ever encountering the famous Chicago School and all their work on studying the lives of European immigrants in America.

    However that came to pass, the theme of identity politics, no matter how large it looms in your own imagination, is only a tiny subtopic in the discipline of sociology, and like all the subtopics, there is debate, not some sort of new theological “orthodoxy “. You yourself are trying to make sociological types of argument within this debate. You are trying to use sociology yourself, and if you were able to be more systematic and evidence based in your approach it might in fact be sociology.

    The point is that the validity or “madness” of the discipline as a whole hardly stands or falls on the basis of one side of an argument within one tiny subtopic in the field.

  47. philjourdan says:

    @William Little – [not] calling blacks by the N word today is “good behavior”. Banning a book written over 100 years ago for having that term in it, is PC. And that has happened (and the context of the book was the black man was one of the heroes, but I guess it does not count that language has changed since man first stepped out of a cave).

    That is the difference. You are free to shun folks for not being on “good behavior”. You are not free to dictate what they say. Period. Freedom of speech is not about protecting speech you agree with. It is about protecting speech that you find abhorrent. PC is about promoting speech you agree with, and banning speech you do not like (and as I just demonstrated, that changes).

  48. E.M.Smith says:

    Dear William:

    You may now expect public pillory, loss of your job, exclusion from any public office, and expulsion from any Boards on which you might sit. You have “used the N-word”.

    THAT is PC. (And all of those things have happened to folks in similar situations. See Papa John’s founder).

    Having a buddy who can “use the N-word” in my presence and comfortably, while I am subject to the above list of crap and more, that unequal application of “rules” is PC. Having him say “Hey, whitey, don’t you be callin’ my hommies like that!” and buying me a beer as we all meet and greet is polite normal public manners. (At least in my blue collar origins).

    Having “whitey” be just FINE in public discourse, and the N-word being cause for public pillory is PC. Having equal risk and equal punishment (preferably of the “dirty look” degree rather than “lose your job, awards, and titles” degree) is normal public polite behaviour.

    Having a man lose his job for looking at a woman who is only half dressed at work is PC. Having him say she does not meet corporate dress code and needs to change is normal corporate culture. Having a man sent off to “sensitivity training” for saying to a woman “Nice hair, did you do something different?” is PC. Having your Mother teach you to compliment women on their hair or other “looks” is normal polite behaviour. ( I KNOW it is as it was MY Mum that taught me, at about 8 years old, to compliment women… she was British and very very polite.)

    Now if you can’t figure out from these examples just what’s different, I can’t help you. Either you are being deliberately obtuse for effect, are so indoctrinated in The Left that you can’t see out from there, or are just too slow to “get it”. ( I doubt the last one based on your language skills).

    It is the application of PENALTIES via SOCIAL ABUSE and ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURES for POLITICAL ENDS that’s the problem.

    Speech you do not like ought to be counted with other speech. Preferably at the lowest level of shrieking the Left can achieve. They are very very far from it at present. (See Antifa and their shoutdowns and air horns to halt speech by others). A polite “I really don’t want any compliments” is all it takes if being told “You look very nice today” upsets you. A trip to HR and re-tread class is just too PC.

    And it IS a “culture war” as The Left is aggressively pursuing it for effect and with large funding via NGOs and such (often tracking back to Soros). It is a deliberate attempt to destroy the classical American Culture and replace it with something else. That’s a culture war. It is anti-white, and anti-male at it’s core. That is racist and sexist.

    Oh, and there is no “universal value”. Everyone sees the world through their own lens of history and experience. I am, quite frankly, OFFENDED by being told how I must behave or i will be punished. It does not matter if the goal is a desirable one. I value individuality over such conformity. So where is your “universal value” of “equality” then, eh? I don’t want to be equal, I want to be me. That means I’m exceptional at some things, and lousy at others. That means I’m a pale can’t get a tan guy, and calling me “whitey” is OK. Especially by my Black Buddy as he does it in an endearing way. PC is itself OFFENSIVE. So go ahead and try to find a way to offend nobody when your attempt already offends me.

    My “sociology courses” were ONE experience from hell, and a repeat of it to erase the political grade (done successfully via going full on Jump The Shark Parody of the class in my “Intellectual Journal”). So no, I didn’t encounter the Chicago school. They don’t seem very visible in public anyway.

    As to how big “Identity Politics” is in Sociology: Well, every time I’ve seen a sociology article (such as the one at the head of this in the article) it is focused clearly from the Far Left and about “Identity Politics” more than much else. What else can “Critical Whiteness” be?

    IF (and it is a huge IF) I ever see anything of merit in Sociology, I’ll be glad to highlight it. BUT as long as it is clearly dominated, in what shows up to the casual observer, with PC stuff like the above article, I’m not going searching for it.

    Now I’m quite willing to postulate that somewhere there might well be someone who is not completely indoctrinated in PC Etiquette and not imbued with the need to consider Critical Whiteness and similar pap. But good luck finding them in the swamp that is the majority of the field. It’s way over the top engaged in race, gender, “white privilege” and other clearly Left Driven concerns for political impact and effect. So you can do that digging, I’ve got much better things to do with my time.

    And yes, the whole discipline falls when the bulk of it is way out in Left Field doing crazy stuff like Critical Whiteness Studies on Jews.

  49. philjourdan says:

    Probably a great example of PC versus polite is Chik-fil-A. William, research that one. Them you tell us what the problem is.

    And do not use the MSM. Research the facts.

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