Praise For Another Michael Smith – Did We Whack N. Korea?

So over on WUWT, there’s an article about the collapse of the tunnels in N. Korea’s Nuke Test Area.

Then this comment suggests maybe we had a sub do something interesting:

Robbie Depp
May 10, 2018 at 12:26 pm Edit

Could be…or just a strike from USS Jimmy Carter.
Lots of stuff goes on we’ll never hear about. To get Kim to negotiate, it would be important that the army leaders were also killed. Kim has been given opportunities to appear more humane, such as the Olympics, photo-ops, release of hostages, etc. Grain of salt, of course.

Which link says:

Why did one of the U.S. Navy’s most advanced subs return to port with a pirate flag?

by Thomas Gibbons-Neff September 13, 2017

The Seawolf-class fast-attack submarine USS Jimmy Carter passes through the Hood Canal as the boat returns home to Naval Base Kitsap-Bangor, in Washington state, on Monday. (Lt. Cmdr. Michael Smith/U.S. Navy)

An image posted to a Pentagon media site and tweeted by Scottish journalist Ian Keddie shows the USS Jimmy Carter, a Seawolf-class nuclear-powered submarine, returning to her home port in Washington Tuesday flying the American flag alongside the unmistakable pirate skull and crossed bones, known as the Jolly Roger.

A Boat, A Smith, A Very Jolly Roger

Gotta watch out for those Michael Smiths… they’re everywhere and doing some of the most interesting things…

Maybe even giving the N. Korean nuclear program a little “love tap”?

Seems like a similar idea to one I’d suggested a while ago. Though my suggestion was to hit the whole thing, even top side, and take out the staff / capability and hopefully Dear Leader in the bleachers. Looks like maybe someone decided to be more “surgical” about it and just take out the facility. IF you know when they have scheduled a test, and drop a ground penetrator on it as it approaches zero… What are they going to do? Claim you were a meany?

It looks a little like a broken bit on the conning tower top, just aft of the flags in line with the last towers. Wonder what that is, or if it’s just a marking artifact… or something more interesting involved?

The 450-foot-long vessel is one of three in its class and is specially modified to conduct some of America’s most covert underwater operations. That fact alone — as Keddie points out — makes the appearance of the black and white flag significant. The Carter, according to photos posted in April, also flew the Jolly Roger returning from its last patrol.

The Jolly Roger’s presence on the conning tower of submarines goes back to 1914, at the beginning of World War I, when a British submarine, HMS E-9, commanded by Lt. Cmdr. Max Horton, sank the German battle cruiser Hela, according to Richard Compton-Hall in his book “Submarines at War 1939-45.” Upon his return to port, Horton raised the iconic pirate flag, signaling he had sunk an enemy warship. As Horton’s kills accumulated, he began denoting them by affixing bars to the flag.

One really must wonder… and hope…

I’d love to buy that Michael Smith a beer some day.

FWIW, their caption includes another Smith:

Cmdr. Melvin Smith, commanding officer of the Seawolf-class fast-attack submarine USS Jimmy Carter, watches as the submarine travels through the Hood Canal. (Lt. Cmdr. Michael Smith/U.S. Navy)

Melvin Smith, Cmdr. Wonder if any of them Smiths are relatives?

The article has a great history of the Jolly Roger and subs, well worth the read.

One comment says US ships fly the Jolly Roger when the have crossed the equator. One wonders which tradition our secret Subs follow?

Well, speculative, and good fun in any case. The stuff dreams are made of 8-)

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22 Responses to Praise For Another Michael Smith – Did We Whack N. Korea?

  1. John F. Hultquist says:

    Seismic monitoring is a well advanced technology.
    Thus, I’d vote for a NK own goal.

    Next guess is that the Rocket Man had a few folks shot.

    Then decided to “give peace a chance.” Almost could not make my fingers type that.

  2. Tregonsee says:

    There is a real dissonance seeing “Jimmy Carter” and “Attack Submarine” in the same sentence.

  3. p.g.sharrow says:

    They successfully completed a secret mission, Nothing more.
    The test mountain was compromised and unstable. This was known before that last test.
    This NK peace effort is being driven by the Emperor of China. They want the Americans to leave the area and the China Sea. This can not happen as long as the north and south are at war. I am sure the Chinese do not want a nuclear armed Korea on their doorstep, armed with missile delivery systems

  4. Kevin Lohse says:

    @ Tregonsee. Who says the military have no sense of humour?

  5. E.M.Smith says:


    Didn’t Jimma Cahtah manage to defend at sea against a vicious killer attack bunny?

    Just think of that history of naval courage (omphaloskepsis under attack…) and what it would portend for an attack vessel! Clearly it was an effective strategy; there’s not been a single episode of invading bands of marauder bunnies since it was commissioned…

  6. Graeme No.3 says:

    Someone sent me a short video of Kim Jong Un; I think from Facebook which may raise a laugh but I don’t know how to link it in.
    It was from 2018-05-02-VIDEO-00000123-1.mp4.
    Anybody good with Dutch language and can link to it?

  7. philjourdan says:

    While I tend to agree with PG on this one (the downside risk being too great even if pulled off successfully), I see many more ranting snowflakes glomming on to this and trying to make it another “evil” USA type deal.


  8. philjourdan says:

    Sorry, browser bounced – I was going to say – Remember Foley. Not the evidence that matters, just the seriousness of the charges.

  9. Eilert says:

    For those who know about Q who is is posting at 8chan this was posted in November

    Anonymous ID: pGukiFmX 147590619 📁
    Nov 2 2017 01:47:47 (EST)
    What a coincidence the mountain that housed NK’s nuclear weapons and testing collapsed. Unbelievable timing. I wonder if critically important materials as well as scientists aka the bomb makers were inside when it happened. Shocking no global news agency suspects we had nothing to do with it. Enjoy the crumbs.

    A few days later (during the President Trumps Aia trip:
    Anonymous ID: AWhBigst 149402286 📁
    Nov 14 2017 13:02:04 (EST)📁
    did anyone saw this in the vid?

    Too which Q responds:
    Q !ITPb.qbhqo ID: EV3pI+ol 149402892 📁
    Nov 14 2017 13:07:34 (EST)
    Isn’t that curious?
    What’s below?

    The above picture is from Airforce 1 and the picture below is actually inside North Korea.

    Q is very close to Trump within MI (Military Intelligence) and posted a huge number of leads (crumbs), which are analysed by the chans (, which is an anonymous research board. This has been confirmed many times. Trump uses his Twitter account for signalling to the anons confirming Q’s post (through publishing and deleting of mistakes, capitalising words, which are really not capitalized, as well as eaxt time stamps – usually 5 10 or 15min before and after Q posts)
    Also Q often posts ahead of time for events that happen in the future (Future Proofs Past). The latest was the image of the ‘Marina Bay Sands Hotel, Singapore” ( were the meeting between President Trump and Kim Jong In will take place on the 12 June. This was published before the actual location in Singapore was published in the press.

    If you want to see all Q posts you can find here:

    Q has his own 8chan board:, where only he can post, but also engages with 8chan research board: (click on the latest QResearch General image to go to the latest discussion)

  10. ossqss says:

    Wow, what is with the huge gash on that sub in the picture? That looks like a significant impact!

    Sorry if I got off topic, but WTF?

  11. Larry Ledwick says:

    Some of our boats go places submarines are not supposed to be.

    Stationed on a sub tender during the Vietnam war, I am aware of some ‘sea stories’ about incidents that never happened, involving boats that had close encounters inside territorial waters of countries who might have taken offense if our boats were discovered.

    This includes one incident where emergency late night repairs under cover of darkness were done by our ship on a boat that was never there.

  12. Larry Ledwick says:

    Many people do not realize we are deep inside a new cold war with China. They are developing new military equipment and capabilities at almost a war time urgency, and have made hints that they intend to take back Taiwan once they establish full control of the “Chinese Sea” by building out their militarized atolls.

    This is why we are shifting emphasis to the Pacific region, and Japan is toying with a more traditional military structure.

    They still have a ways to go but are closing rapidly on local / regional dominance which once achieved would be very difficult to challenge short of out right warfare. Their target date for parity seems to be in the 2020-2025 period.

  13. Larry Ledwick says:

    More on China’s efforts to achieve dominance in the South China Sea.

  14. David A says:

    Some speculate that a bunker busting ” rod of God” was used. ( basically a telephone pole size tungsten rod propelled from space traveling at over ten times the speed if sound penetrating the ground up to 200 feet deep.
    Sounds like something that can wreck your day.

  15. Power Grab says:

    So that’s why they outlawed incandescent light bulbs?

  16. E.M.Smith says:

    @Power Grab:

    To lower the cost of tungsten?…

    @David A:

    So you are saying if “The Rod Of God” is up your ***** you are really F***ed?

    I can see that… or rather, can’t UN-see that… ;-)


    Only Snowflakes and the Willfully Blind have no clue that the “4 Way” of USA, China, Russia, EU is “on”. The only real question is who F’s up whom first and who does it last. Then there’s the UK, presently part of the EU Monster, looking to break free and then…. do we have a 5th party at the Cluster F***?

    My Opinion? Probably worthless. When OBummer was in charge, it was that we were laying down spread open… Now with the Trumpster, well, maybe there’s some hope. Islam is on the side, making popcorn and will be enjoying the destruction derby… yet presently under the foot of the ex_USSR and quasi_EU and some USA seasoning as various wars destroy their homes. Clearly Russia and UK have The Great Game on again; but the USA is a pawn and not sure who’s playing it yet… and the EU is having a go at 1/2 way from National Socialism to International Socialism (NAZI and USSR Redux) flavored with a bit of Holy Roman Empire Redux) in a “This Time For Sure!” moment. Then there is China, remaking the Chinese Empire but just lacking an Emperor. Playing games so intricate even they have lost track of the counter-counter-counter-counter moves.

    So yes, China cares about only one thing: Taking Over The World For China!

    So yes, Russia cares about only one thing: Taking Over Europe for Russian Peace! (Well, maybe 2, and keeping China out…)

    So yes, the EU cares about only one thing: Taking over The World for Socialism! Yet again…

    So yes, the UK cares about only one thing: GOD we wish we had an Empire like the old days…

    So yes, the USA cares about only one thing: NO, y’all DON’T get to take over the world. It’s ours.


    Why do I feel like it’s just prior to W.W. I again… lots of mutual support treaties, lots of competing empires, folks making sparks everywhere…

  17. Larry Ledwick says:

    I sometimes think and comment that over the last few years I have developed a new understanding of how Hitler came to power and how some folks saw it coming and others were blissfully unaware that he was a threat right up to the point the SS knocked on their door late at night and they were never seen again by their neighbors.

    I keep finding parallels with the late 1930’s and the wilful delusion of crowds that allow that sort of thing to happen. Germany certainly has no monopoly on any of that they are just the most well known, the Russian Revolution and dozens of others like the slow military take over of Japan in the 1930’s followed the same patterns.

    The item I find most interesting is that the Progressive left is going ballistic accusing President Trump of doing exactly what they were doing under Obama.

  18. Larry Ledwick says:

    By the way they already have a baby version of that weapon called PAW.

  19. Larry Ledwick says:

    Related are Crash Pad system and this kinetic rocket ball design developed to destroy the inside of a structure without opening it up. These are designed to totally incinerate the interior of a structure and all its contents by very rapidly raising the interior temperature above 100 deg F. and hold it there for a relatively long period of time (compared to normal explosives). I saw video of the crash pad when it was first developed and it made a reinforced weapons bunker so hot it took days for it to cool down enough for the interior to be inspected.

    Variation on the theme

  20. Jon K says:

    Click to access 1708.09537.pdf

    Reason number 587 not to get an Alexa.

  21. p.g.sharrow says:

    It looks like Kim Un will be sitting down across from President Trump to discuss ending the Korean War, starting today in Singapore.
    North Korea brings to the table the threat of Atomic weapons atop ballistic missiles. The Americans overwhelming military and economic power. In My opinion, the atomic topped missiles are a threat, not a reality and North Korea is a basket case with a military that is hollowed out and dying.
    China, that has backed up the North for 70 years, is tired of this thing that puts their dreams of world power standing and good relations with their best customer and the world super power at risk.
    Kim Un would like to game the Americans, AGAIN, to give the North great economic concessions and financial aid for giving up nothing real.
    Trump will demand concessions of giving up missiles and atomics before even discussing the continuance of Kim’s rule and the reduction of economic restrictions.
    We will see who blinks first! Little Kim Un is up against a master of negotiation in Trump.His best outcome will be American guarantees of his continuation and American assistance in recreation of the North’s economy. China will get rid of a real danger to them that exists a few hundred miles to the East of their Capitol and draws American attention to their front door step…pg

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