The Fling Poo Parade!

This morning I turn on the “news”. Reuters leaves town on Friday 5 PM New York Time and doesn’t return until Monday, then has some lag time finding out what happened in the world to report; so they were essentially unchanged from Friday & Saturday. The weekend, BTW, is a great time to check out the foreign news. Not only are they in different time zones (so “Monday” arrives sooner) but they actually keep reporting news over the weekend. So RT, Al Jazeera, France24, Sky, etc.

Sky is all “panties in a bunch” over Brexit and the Theresa May “Brexit with handcuffs and a whip” not-a-Brexit “deal”. What have we got, 8 months? Something like that, then it is “hit the wall” time. From my POV (half my family lives in Britain) just going Hard Brexit with No Deal will likely be the best option at this point. When no catastrophe happens perhaps then the EU Apparatchiks will be chastened a bit. (Are not China, the USA, Australia, Norway, Canada, Turkey all outside the EU and all doing OK on their own? Is not Britain the equal of Finland in their economic ability?)

So it was no surprise today that the “news” was full of T. May (or may not…) and Brexit. Mostly tossing mud at the whole idea and using lots of FUD (Fear Uncertainty & Doubt) about the whole idea. Saying that if the T. May “deal” was not accepted their might be “no Brexit at all”. I’d like to know how that works, since Article 50 (was it?) said you are out in 2 years and there wasn’t any backsies… Of course, they had video of folks having tantrums in the street in a Fling Poo Parade decrying it all.

Then I moved on to ABC news, Trump and the Putin Summit on Monday. (One presumes Finnish Monday which would be late my Sunday). One could not imagine more FUD. Of course, front and center were the “12 indictments” of some Russian military officers. One presumes they just went to the top of the chain of command and wrote down all the names. (Clearly not one of those guys is a hacker, so there is some theory of ‘chain of command responsibility’ in play here.) And my, isn’t it just amazing how Mueller had these indictments hit just in time for the Summit… Just more Fling Poo Parade. Little Chucky Schumer, the camera hound, was shown demanding that the Summit be canceled. The whole coverage spun to claim that Russia tossed the election to Trump. All in keeping with the Color Revolution Playbook of attempting to paint any elected leader they don’t like as illegitimate and then lever that with Street Theatre into a Color Revolution and deposing.

It really hit home when they were showing more of the “protests” against Trump and his European trip that this really is all just one giant Fling Poo Parade. The “media” on side with a more polished snide fling poo, but fling they do.

Is that really all they’ve got? A tactic borrowed from caged monkeys at the zoo?

It would seem so.

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76 Responses to The Fling Poo Parade!

  1. H.R. says:

    E.M.: “Is that really all they’ve got? A tactic borrowed from caged monkeys at the zoo?”

    Yup, it is all they have. It used to work. It does not work with President Trump.

    First, he has always been a known public figure with his TV shows, grand real estate projects, and articles in the New York dailies and national news almost every day. His life has been a fairly open book. He was loved by many and grated on just as many before entering politics.

    Second as a first-time politician, he campaigned on certain promises and since his election, has been going down the list checking many of them off; promises made, promises kept.

    Third, and most important, he has bypassed the press corpse and has successfully branded them as “Fake News.”

    President Trump has allowed the YSM to reveal themselves to the greater public as nothing but ‘Poo Flingers’. President Trump’s numbers keep rising while the YSM’s numbers are falling.

  2. Graeme No.3 says:

    From Wikipedia (slightly edited)
    Howler monkeys are among the largest of the monkeys. At least fifteen species are currently recognized. Previously classified in the scavengers, they are now placed in the parasite family. These monkeys are native to inner city habitats. Threats to howler monkeys include Donald Trump, habitat destruction e.g. loss of grants, and being ignored as noisy idiots. These monkeys are famous for their loud howls, which can travel enormous distances through the MSM.
    Some examples:
    Washington swamp howler – some worry that they may face extinction
    Washington lesser howler – found in the Federal government offices
    Swamp howler or the New England Academic Howler
    Academic howler a.k.a. the Money Eater
    Californian howler a.k.a. the Nancy Howler
    New York howler a.k.a. the UN-howler
    Greedy howler a.k.a. the Hilary Howler
    Brown howler
    Black howler
    Red Handed howler a.k.a. the Democratic howler
    Venezuelan howler a.k.a The Socialist
    Foreign Press howler
    Canadian howler a.k.a. The True Doh!
    Weinstein howler
    Russian howler a.k.a. the phantom howler

    As their name suggests, vocal noise forms an important part of their social behaviour. They each have an enlarged sense of self importance, which helps them make their loud vocalizations. Generally call at dawn and dusk, as well as interspersed times throughout the day. The main vocals consist of loud, deep guttural growls or “howls”. Howler monkeys are widely considered to be the loudest land animal. The function of howling is thought to relate to intergroup sparring and territory protection, as well as income guarding.

    Often aggressive and expensive to maintain, howler monkeys do not take well to captivity and are of surly disposition. However, they are common pets in left wing organisations in spite of their lesser intelligence, as well as the liabilities meant by the size of their droppings and the noise from their loud vocalisations.

  3. H.R. says:

    @Graeme No 3: Don’t you just love nature documentaries? And it’s so convenient that they are shown all day on cable and at 7:00am, Noon, and 6:00pm local times.

    RINOs, howler monkeys, jackasses, elephants, ostriches aka ‘news anchors’… and the ever elusive politicosium verbus truthius. They are still trying to capture one of those on film.

    (Nice! 👍👍)

  4. philjourdan says:

    Little Chucky has always been a loud idiot. But Mark Warner outdid him! I could not believe the crap he was spouting! He is a total moron! And if there is any justice, one of the idiots that will be indicted!

    After having been snookered by Trump for over 18 months now, those idiots still do not get it. I guess it is true that stupid is incurable. Trump knows more about Putin than any of those whiny jerks. He may not get anything from the Summit, but he is not wearing rose colored glasses.

  5. E.M.Smith says:


    What did Mark Warner do? (Remember I was on the road a couple of weeks…)

    @Graeme No.3:

    Nicely done ;-)

  6. E.M.Smith says:

    ABC News, covering the Trump – Putin summit, was all “Let’s you and him fight!” about the whole thing. Criticism was all that was on display. It would seem they have never heard the truth “Praise in public, criticize in private.”

    Just “Why didn’t Trump ask about the indictments?” and “Why wasn’t Crimea raised as an issue?”.

    Well, maybe because you don’t start a relationship by tossing dirt in their face.

    Sheesh. The stupid is strong in them… (or they are dumb enough to think Trump will follow their advice to pick a fight with Putin.. or they think idiots will believe rudeness to a Russian President is a great way to make things better… /sarc;)

  7. p.g.sharrow says:

    “Lets you and him fight!”
    For sure, the Stupid is strong in them. Putin and the Russians are competitors, NOT enemies!
    Hackers got into the DNC computers, because of of stupidities on the Democrats part. Hackers, people and groups unknown, because the Democrats are desperate over the possibility that the contents of their Emails becoming public. A friendly Putin might give those Emails to Trump, IF
    the Russians have them. For certain the Pakistani have them. The FBI and CIA have them. No telling how many others have copies. This smoke screen that is being DRIVEN by Soros is dense…pg

  8. philjourdan says:

    @E.M. – He claimed that Putin was snookering Trump and therefore Trump should not go! These idiots still think of Trump as stupid even after he has beat them at every turn! And still does! They project their own limited IQ onto Trump. Anyone can snooker Warner (except his voters since he snookered them) as he is not a very intelligent senator. Never was. He was an idiot as a governor (he was the one that outsourced IT – a billion dollar boondoggle they are trying to fix now).

    having had to suffer with the fool for too long, I have a low threshold of stupidity with Warner.

  9. philjourdan says:

    “Hackers got into the DNC computers, “

    Actually we do not know that. Only the DNC and Cloud strike do. So I am going to be very amused to see how Mueller prosecutes that case. The DNC has never cooperated, and the first thing the Russians are going to do is demand the evidence. But there is NONE!

  10. E.M.Smith says:

    RT has a news crawler saying Putin offered to help with the “Russia Probe” and invited Mueller & commission to attend their investigation of the charged persons. Now THAT would be fun to watch!

  11. jim2 says:

    The Never-Turmpers had to quiet down for a while considering Trump’s successes. But after the Putin meeting, they are out in spades and obviously still overflowing with bile because Trump spanked the Bush ‘dynasty.’ I’m having a laugh a minute!

  12. E.M.Smith says:


    Given what I’ve seen of how the DNC and Hillary operated their computers, I can state with certainty that “Hackers got in”. It is simply the case that EVERY server is under constant and professional attack. The only questions are: 1) Do you have superior defenses every single day? and 2) If not, when where you hacked, if you have figured out yet that you have been hacked?

    I’ve frequently stated I’m happy to not be in charge of security at a site anymore; due to my 7 1/2 year record of zero penetrations. IMHO, that is no longer possible to achieve. So why would I want to put my record at risk tilting at that windmill?

    Simply put: There are so many (TLA instigated) holes in security these days BY DESIGN, that it is not possible to prevent intrusions. You must have enough defense in depth that you detect the intrusion before it gets to anything interesting… Honeypots. At least 3 levels of nested security networks. Offline anything that can be offline. Active IDS / IPS at each level. IP Block blocking ( IF you don’t do business with Pakistan, why allow DNS or routing to Pakistan?) etc. etc. Even then it’s a statistical game now.

    Since they had none of that; they WERE hacked. Just a question of how many, how often, how completely. My guess would be at a minimum 6 major National actors, plus a half dozen free lance operators. (UK, China, Russia, EU, Israel, Iran, then the independents like Guicifer) They ALL have very active intrusion operations that are more than qualified enough to crack in inside a day – iF they were slow… )

    Now that’s the major problem. The Whore got pregnant, but which of the 100 clients in the last month “did the deed”?

    My guess would be Russia just sucked out data. Why compromise such a great source with disclosure? They are not that dumb. China and the UK too. (Though the UK has some devious secondary plays so might leak the information for some secondary effects). EU was onside with Hillary / DNC so would just use it for insider leverage and blackmail. So who would have let the data out of the bag? Most likely an independent. Possibly Israel. Unlikely to be Iran as they were getting what they wanted from Obama and the DNC.

    But the notion her email address wasn’t known after years, nobody looked up the routing, and nobody then “knocked on the door” and saw it swing open… that’s just beyond belief. Then anyone who did knock on the door would just walk on in. “Some Guys” in a dinky shop in nowhere setting up a PC is just not going to be enough to stop industrial strength exploits. I had a staff of 4 on it (who were among THE best in the industry) back when it was MUCH easier to defend, and it was still a daily challenge. No way “Bob & Buddy” can get ‘er done.

    So that’s my line of reasoning.

    Frankly, I’m kicking myself for not at least wondering if the DNC / Hillary were actually locked down or not… and trying a knock on the door… One of those “I assumed it would be NSA guarded and I’d be fingered immediately” when the reality was more “Bob’s Pretty Good Computer Store” and a horribly exposed PC. Oh Well. I’m probably too out of date on cracking tools to have done it well enough anyway.

    So why would Cloud Strike / DNC not release the server and such? Only because what they found does not fit the narrative they wanted to spin… (i.e. “Everyone was in that trollop…”)

  13. E.M.Smith says:

    Oh My! RT has some of their reporters “ripping” the USA / EU reporters for their narrow minded focus on “collusion” and”meddling”. Discussing how they made crude statements while waiting and were fixated…

    Just wonderful to hear such clarity on actual TV News.

    They were having a hard time choosing between professional embarrassment for their “colleagues” and a bit of joy at seeing them flop around so much… schadenfreude anyone?

  14. Larry Ledwick says:

    A couple other possibilities exist too.

    1. The Clinton server was an intentional leak to outsiders unknown, it was a way to leak classified data with plausible deniability.

    2. It was a honey pot, that the NSA left unmolested because they were more interested in who was peeking at it than they were the lost info – and they could have planted dissinformation files in the server as a handy way to spoof the bad guys.

    3 . The reason the FBI, CIA and NSA never examined the server is that they were inside it from the very start and watched the entire data dump happen in real time. Either inside the server itself or had a sniffer on its network connection.

    4. It is worth noting that the Secret Service was in charge of investigating computer breaches.
    In the 1984, Comprehensive Crime Control Act explicitly added computer fraud to the Secret Service’s responsibilities. They setup Electronic Crimes Task Forces (ECTFs). Thirty-nine of these special task forces were established around the country in the wake of 9/11. They also monitor the web to keep track of threats against the people it is charged with protecting (which should include the Sec of State). It is not unreasonable to think that those activities keyed them into the back room server and they were watching it closely to see who was poking around in the S of S’s business. They may have had a bigger game in play than just slapping around a crooked politician.

  15. Larry Ledwick says:

    On that note we also have the possibility that connected hackers were watching “unofficially” and passed the info to the Feds.

  16. Another Ian says:

    “Debrief on Trump-Putin Presser – There are High Crimes to Be Hidden, and Trillions Still at Stake…”

  17. p.g.sharrow says:

    I was listening to the Putin/Mathews interview. When pressed , Putin, who had insisted that the Russian government had not targeted the American election, let slip that maybe some patriotic Russians might have done it . This reminded me of the private armies that the Oligarchs have fielded to annex Crimea as well as parts of eastern Ukraine. “The Russian Government has not done these things” “Patriotic Russian citizens may be involved.” Sounds like spy craft Plausible Deniability to me…pg

  18. H.R. says:

    @p.g.: Well of course Putin messed with the election just as the U.S. has interfered with every worldwide election above local dog catcher.

    He’s not about to fess up to election interference. It’s a given. The question is, who did he favor? My bet is Hillary, because none of the 33,000 emails were released.

    But the election is over and Hillary lost, so the question now is, how can Putin play the HRC emails to his best advantage?

    I haven’t switched gears yet to think like Putin, so I don’t have a guess at the moment.

  19. Another Ian says:

    “Paranoia May Destroy Ya’ – The Collective Response From the Co-Conspirators…”

  20. philjourdan says:

    @EM – While I am sure you have a “near” certainty that the DNC server was hacked (as do I), we do not have a “certainty” due to the fact that no one has seen the server since the alleged incident, and no TLA has been able to examine it and determine the signature of the alleged perps. That data was released is a given. But that also points to a disgruntled employee (already one Bernie supporter in the morgue).

    And while I would bet money on it being hacked, unfortunately DAs do not have that luxury. They have to PROVE a crime has been committed. Now how are they going to do that when they cannot examine the body for evidence? Even if those 12 old soldiers of the GRU dutifully marched into DC and surrendered, how is anyone going to prosecute them without the server AND (even more importantly) the server not being in a controlled environment since the alleged crime was committed?

    That is what I am saying.

  21. philjourdan says:

    Having read Larry’s possibility, I can see how the government can say (we cannot since we lack that information) with certainty the server was hacked. But that still gets Mueller nowhere. As the TLA hack (honeypot) of the server was illegal, none of that evidence is admissible. So they are still at no way to prosecute anyone for any crime against the DNC.

  22. E.M.Smith says:

    Phil, we are arguing over minor semantics.

    I am certain the server was hacked, but have no proof it was nor can I finger who.
    You are uncertain the server was hacked as the proof is not in hand and can not finger who.

    I can be certain due to my understanding of the context and technology. But that isn’t proof.

    You say “uncertain” due to that same lack of proof.

    I’m not seeing the difference other than a court room quibble.

  23. jim2 says:

    It’s not only that the Dimowit crimes are ignored, ignored also are hacks and attempts to influence US politics by foreign entities of all sorts – not just Russia – including many of our ‘friends.’

    Also obvious is the Dimowits and Never-Trumpers are jumping all over this because they see hope to twist it to do their bidding. In spite of the current cacophony, they will once again execute a face plant.

  24. p.g.sharrow says:

    I just can’t see any reason to be upset over Russian attempts to influence American body politic.
    Every public and private organization in the world attempts to influence the political outcome of American politics.
    The thing that upsets me is the “Dark State” manipulations to use the their positions and power to direct their organizations actions to favor one outcome, To coverup real criminal activities of one political group that they favor. This Russia, Russia, Russia mime is just a smoke screen for them to hide behind. The Clintons, Dark State, Democratic Party, Obamanation, is desperate to hid their collusion to stage a coup and complete their Liberal Progressive revolution to “Change America” into their version of soviet socialism. The “private” Clinton server was the communication hub for one of the central persons, Hillary Clinton, Anyone that worked with the Clintons would be fingered if all of those emails became public. This web of connections is vast with people that have every reason to bury the whole thing. The Clinton server was a deliberate attempt to shield the communications of the Clinton Machine from outside scrutiny. This is not the First time Hillary has hidden Clinton communications with her organization from investigators…pg

  25. Jon K says:

    Pretty good alternate theory for Russia’s ALLEGED meddling. I can find no flaws…

  26. cdquarles says:

    For me, the issue isn’t that various groups ‘meddle’. Of course they do. People have agendas. Governments have interests. Philosophies matter, I say. The key is, to me, can these outside entities do more ‘meddling’ than our local factions? If not, then it doesn’t matter much. If so, then we need to ‘up our game’.

  27. philjourdan says:

    @EM – I am arguing the legal standpoint. In order to prosecute a crime, you have to show there is a crime, .and due to the mishandling of the server, there is no way to show that with any degree of certainty. So the indictments are bogus. If the Russians (like the company) show up for the booking, Rosenstein and Mueller are going to have an impossible job. That is what I am arguing.

  28. philjourdan says:

    @Jon K – I can think of a couple, but it would mean a double back by the Russians. The “support” for BLM and other left organizations could have been a set up, so that when it was discovered, opinion was turned against those organizations. I am not sure the Russians thought of that, but that is what jumped out at me.

    Also later, they say that there was a memo from a Russian troll factory saying “Sanders and Trump – we support them”. That could easily be seen as a “Anyone but Hillary” avenue that turned full trump once Bernie was out of it.

    I agree with you that it looks more like a disinformation campaign than a “get out the vote” collusion, but you have to think how the Russians would. They are World Chess Champions. Much like Trump is.

    And here’s the kicker. IF (the biggest word in any language) this was the FIRST time that the Intelligent agencies saw ANY Russian attempts at interfering in an American election, then our Intelligent agencies suck! Only a complete moron would think they have not been involved since the times of Lenin and Stalin (and possibly earlier). And if we JUST figured that out, we do not have intelligent agencies, we have stupid agencies!

  29. Another Ian says:

    Turning today’s msm Trump furore into hot air with what wasn’t read!

    “This is what he said as his correction: “I have full confidence in US intel agencies…under my people”. Under his people? So in 2016 he had no confidence in the Obama intel crew led by the despicable deplorables in Brennan and Clapper, with some assistance from a treasonous Obama, Comey, Lynch and Hillary. How could any ally except Turnbull and Shorten have confidence in that pond scum? ”

  30. Another Ian says:

    Today’s furore turns to hot air when you read what was said!

    And what wasn’t read!

    “This is what he said as his correction: “I have full confidence in US intel agencies…under my people”. Under his people? So in 2016 he had no confidence in the Obama intel crew led by the despicable deplorables in Brennan and Clapper, with some assistance from a treasonous Obama, Comey, Lynch and Hillary. How could any ally except Turnbull and Shorten have confidence in that pond scum? ”

    Current top thread at

    (repost as the direct link likely sin binned me)

  31. E.M.Smith says:

    I like that China thesis. Pretty much covers all the known facts.

    I also wonder if Putin slipped a USB drive to Trump full of Hillary & Friends email – neatly sorted by topic and use-as-leverage ;-)

    While I doubt that “Russia Did It in the first place, I’m pretty certain that by now they have a copy of everything (given how poorly it’s all been protected…)

    Thus all the ‘Splody Heads over the private section of the meeting. Putin & Trump both want the “Russia Evil!!!” meme to die. Putin could easily slide him a load of intel for his use…

  32. jim2 says:

    EM said: “I also wonder if Putin slipped a USB drive to Trump full of Hillary & Friends email – neatly sorted by topic and use-as-leverage ;-)”

    That might be why Schumer is pushing to interview the interpreter. The Dims are freaking out.

    I love it when they say investigating the FBI is wrong. They know that investigating the FBI and DOJ of the Obama era is actually an investigation into themselves.

    I would like to see a quickening of the the pace of revelations concerning Obama, Hillary, Comey, etc. We need to see a good blowup a couple of months before the election.

  33. Jeff says:

    Maybe that soccer ball has a USB port on it somewhere :)

  34. Larry Ledwick says:

    I don’t think Putin “needs” an interpreter, from his intelligence background I suspect he speaks pretty good English, I know he is fluent in Geman.

  35. Larry Ledwick says:

    This is an interesting body language analysis of the Trump Putin statements at their meeting in Finland.

  36. Larry Ledwick says:

    Regarding her mention of an old injury and Putin’s hand on the chair, this item confirms a history of an old injury. If I had to guess from the manner in which he was applying pressure I suspect either a lower back injury or perhaps sciatic pain and he is trying to relieve pressure off that left side buttock or modifying the hip/pelvis position and stress on his lower back muscles.
    It might be interesting to watch a video of his gait after that mutual presentation to see if his gait was modified or he had any sort of limp or dragging foot display.

    A long time sitting in a hang glider would aggrivate such a back/hip or sciatic issue.

  37. Larry Ledwick says:
  38. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larry L:

    Saw Melania introduced to Putin. Looked like she rattled off a rapid pleasantry and Putan “got it” in real time. As her native language is similar to Russian, I’d guess she polished up a couple of sentences in Russian for him. She speaks several languages well, and Russian being in the same Slavic family, it ought to be easy for her to pick up.

    It could have been English, but I doubt it. Putin clearly lit up a little at it and Melania was going faster than her usual English.

    I’m also pretty sure that Putin gives Trump some brownie points for a Slavic wife. It’s like his family is cousins to other Slavs… and clearly Trump is not biased against Slavs.

  39. p.g.sharrow says:

    @Larry………on the body language of the Putin-Trump interview. The final statements of Putin on sharing information as well as prosecution of bad international actors is explosive.
    Now the dark state will really see the collusion that they wanted, but not the kind that they had in mind. This will get very ugly really, really ugly.
    OH! shit OH dear! No wonder the left and the dark state have gone ballistic over this meeting. I don’t think they can scream loud enough to cover up their exposure on this.
    As to Putin’s physical discomfort, I can sure see that! After over 70 years of hard life I can feel his pain that I can see in his stance as well as his face…pg

  40. H.R. says:

    @E.M. and Larry: My understanding is that Melania and Putin are both fluent in German.

    Putin completely mastered German from his spy days and supposedly is indistinguishable from a native speaker. I’m only guessing about Melania, but German was probably one of the early languages she picked up and has used it long enough and often enough to achieve fluency.

    Melania and Putin were seated next to each other at a dinner at the G-20 meeting last year and no translator was used. The speculation (confirmed?) was they settled on German to converse.

  41. philjourdan says:

    @jim2 – re: revelations – Wait until after Labor day. That is when people start to pay attention to politics again (other than the political junkies who always do).

  42. cdquarles says:

    As I understand it, Putin is fluent enough in English, but chooses not to speak it much. Can’t say that I blame him. I studied Russian. It sounds different than English. People used to inflected languages have a bit of a time using a non-inflected one. That works in reverse, too.

    I like languages. There are a few that’d like to learn, if I had the time and wasn’t so old. Both of my parents studied German. I never did. I have heard German spoken, and to my ears, German doesn’t sound that much different than English. That’s likely just me, though.

  43. philjourdan says:

    @CD – that is not just you. German is very similar to English, but with 2 major differences.

    #1 – Their grammar rules are absolute. And that is why “girl” (Mädchen) gets a neuter article (it ends in CHEN which always gets a neuter article).

    #2 – They hate adjectives! They do have them, but usually just compound the noun to create a new noun.

    Other than that, many words are the same, so it is not that hard to learn. Just learn to love the umlaut!

  44. Larry Ledwick says:

    Tracy Beanz on twitter just dumped an interesting thread on the connections between Strzok’s father the CIA and Peter Strzok himself having connections to the CIA (let’s keep this in the family)
    It sounds like he might be the connecting link between the Never Trump CIA leadership and the Never Trump FBI leadership. What a tangled web we weave – not a surprise that Textron is up to their eyeballs in interesting international operations, since helicopters are so key to much of that sort of activity.

    1. THREAD- Textron, Bell, and Strzok: Recently, many have been alerted to the CRAZY connections that Peter Strzok and family have to Iran. I wanted to dig on this myself, and this thread will expose a MAJOR connection that hasn’t been spoken about anywhere yet. READ ON.

  45. A C Osborn says:

    philjourdan says: 19 July 2018 at 4:16 pm
    @CD – that is not just you. German is very similar to English, but with 2 major differences.

    One other difference that I noticed (not that I speak German, but saw quite a bit it when I worked at Ford motor co.) is their liking for combining multiple words in to a long one, especially technical words and names of things.

  46. E.M.Smith says:


    I’d bet hard money “they made a deal”… but even if they didn’t, they both know the value of Letting The Other Side THINK You Made A Deal…

    Light fuse – watch for smoke and flames in the distance…


    Could be, but given Melania’s skill with languages, I’m holding out for her to have worked up a few Russian phrases. It isn’t hard to say “Hello, how nice to meet you again.” I can do “Hello, how are you?” and it’s been 40 years since my 1 (!) class in Russian. That was about day 2…

    @Phl & CD:

    German also “overloads” some words. Sie for example. Has several functions that are distinct words (or not done at all) in English. Der de das also have multiple marking functions. It’s likely an artifact of being a pidgin of sorts. Lost 3 cases from base indo-european and overloaded some smaller words and used compounding to make up for it.

    English is derived from a Germanic base (but not straight German – more Dutch / Frisian) so much of the language is cognates for core words and functions. Especially old English. Ich for I was used in Chaucer’s time I think… Ich habbe eine I have one Was habben sie? What have you?
    (Hopefully I’ve not slaughtered the German too badly… again, one class 40 years ago…)


    One of my favorites. Speed limit:

    erlaubte Höchstgeschwindigkeit

    Means something like “that speed beyond which you shall not go”… once you unwind all the words in it… Or so I’ve been told as it’s a bit beyond my skill level.

    @Larry L:

    I suspect we’ve got at least 50 years of accumulated interlocking to untangle. There will be dynastic connections involved here. Think Bush and Bonesmen…

  47. Larry Ledwick says:
  48. E.M.Smith says:

    That’s one hell of an article… At this point Mueller & team ought to be shown the door…

  49. philjourdan says:

    EM, I was pointing out the differences. Overloading is a similarity. ;-)

  50. philjourdan says:

    Oh, one other thing. It is a lot easier to insult in German! I am not talking about 4 letter words (they do have those). As you know the Germans are very formal. So they have 2 words for “you”. Sie (capitalized) and du (not capitalized). Sie is the formal way to address someone you are not friends with or is not a child. Du is the familiar. So if you want to insult someone, you use du, instead of Sie. (Sie capitalized is the formal you singular. sie lower case is the you plural).

    Du bist ein sau schwien! (that is the worst insult as it is saying you are the son of a pig). But even just using du (say on a message board) is a way of denigrating your opponent You are basically saying they are beneath you.

    You (Sie) gotta love German!

  51. Another Ian says:

    July 20, 2018 at 12:52 am

    Putin Gives Trump 160 TB of Communication Intercepts.
    ALL people behind fake “Russia Collusion” – False Flag Chemical Attacks in Syria, Sabotage of Brexit, Nefarious Clinton activities & More

    Look for a spike in indigestion relief sales then?

  52. Larry Ledwick says:

    In counter point to the above article about 160 TB of intelligence files we have the other side of the story here.

    If the source of that info is demonstrably from Russia the Left will spin it as proof positive of collusion even if it is a legitimate tag team effort of our two governments to take down the rich evil bastard empire.

    In fairness you also if you are even a little bit realistic must know that some of that info is Russian disinformation intended to mislead us into doing something useful for them under the guise of a mutual mission to crush the Rich one world Oligarchy.

    I have no illusions this could be what it is presented to be, a good faith effort to clean up the worlds power elite but at the same time it is also certainly a wilderness of mirrors problem where it will be very difficult (perhaps impossible) to separate fact from fiction, disinformation from information and fill in the lies by omission that misdirect attention or bait traps.

    I do not envy the analysts who will have to validate this stuff and figure out the real game plan and who the players really are.

    Even if above board (a legitimate effort to clean up the Evil Bastard Oligarchy) it could very easily be spun into a trap by the media and other players to feed directly into the efforts to take Trump down through de-legitimization through rumor and innuendo and a 24-7 spin cycle to try and fit things into the Progressive one world government narrative.

    In short this is a nasty nasty minefield for intrigue the Tom Clancy (wish he was still alive) on this story would be fantastic to read 30 years from now. We are in for a very interesting 6+ years at this rate.

    Although I really hope this turns out to be exactly as presented in that inteldinarchronicles blog post, I have grave concerns it could really blow up into something that shatters our government and civil order if it goes sideways.

    Tighten your belt, be prepared for the unexpected and hold your breath folks this is going to be a wild ride.

  53. jim2 says:

    LL – Maybe I’m missing something in the article, but it looks like a nothing burger to me. Could you point to a specific?

  54. E.M.Smith says:

    Well, this morning’s tour of the YSM has been a bit nauseating. Soooo much FUD (Fear Uncertainty Doubt) in them. It is just horrible beyond belief, in their eyes, that Trump might repeat his “mistake” of a Summit with a 2nd Summit with Putin. Nothing could possibly be worse than sending our commission to attend the Russian questioning of the indicted 12, and while we DEMAND the 12 be sent to us, we could not possibly EVER consider even letting Russia question our prior ambassador to Russia who is accused of crimes there. Even if the questioning happens here and under color of diplomatic immunity from prosecution.

    Nope, it simply MUST be a fully One Way Street with us getting all we want and Russia scorned and getting nothing. Plus Trump is a fool to think otherwise (in their spin dried world…)

    Judge the degree of their panic by the level of shrieking and the insanity of the claims. The panic is strong in them at the moment… One would think Trump was making a pact with the Devil Himself to turn the USA into a scorched cinder; given the reaction. The reality looks to me to be more of a “Make nice not war” first handshake.

    IMHO, given we both have nuclear guns big enough to destroy the world:

    When someone has a hand-grenade and finger in the pin, it’s a very bad time to kick them in the balls. They might stop thinking about the pin and accidentally pull it. It would be a much better idea to say “I’m getting a lager at the bar, can I get you something?”… Gotta hold the drink with one hand or the other… Just sayin’…

    I’m off to read the 160 TB article and counter to it. Back after coffee and a read…

  55. E.M.Smith says:

    @Another Ian:

    I found this link in comment 1131442 under your link rather interesting:

    Tries to unsnarl some of the connections and mirrors in the whole Russiagate job… Intriguing machinations of all sorts…

  56. philjourdan says:

    @E.M. – What I find interesting is the news from China. They are warning Putin that the “happy days” will not last longer than the Trump presidency. That indicates to me that they are at least worried about the cozying up of the 2 leaders. Which again shows not a collusion (as China would have spilled those guts long ago), but a recent development. China does not have to play PC or listen to the yammering YSM, they have their own intel. And it is telling them they may soon be the odd man out. And want to drive a wedge between Putin and Trump.

    So once again, we see events diverging from the rhetoric and hysteria. Unlike Larry, I see this one playing out already. And it will demonstrate another YSM fumble, egg on the democrats face, and Trump smiling.

  57. cdquarles says:

    Before the election, my research revealed the similarities between Reagan and Trump. That swayed me just as much, if not more than, Anyone But Crooked Hillary. I knew Hillary was crooked from the Watergate hearings. Somewhat amazing that I still remember that. ;p Less amazing is that the ‘MSM’ has been hiding it that long.

  58. Larry Ledwick says:

    LL – Maybe I’m missing something in the article, but it looks like a nothing burger to me. Could you point to a specific?

    No! There is no specific at this time which is the point.
    IF the assertion is true and the DID give us 160 TB of intelligence info the range of possibilities is astounding, ranging from lots of smoke and mirrors to key info that will point us at smoking guns.

    This issue is that there are so many ways this (if true) could go sideways. In fact that article might be “the disinformation” which would push the One World Government Oligarchy to do something stupid.

    One question is how bad to both Putin and Trump want a piece of Soros scalp along with some of the other behind the curtain crowd. If they both really rank that at the top of their list they could team up and tear the whole hidden world order apart if both our intelligence resources focused on that same problem at the same time.

    On the other hand it could be huge sucker play (if those 160 TB even exist) THe KGB / GRU/ SVR/ FSB etc are much better at behind the scenes scheming that we have ever been.

    In reality our CIA is pretty inept when it comes to those sort of activities. Very good at technical intelligence, not so good at interpreting it or setting up covert operations. The Soviet Union, Russian, Cuban and East German intelligence services have repeatedly suckered us over the last 50 years.

    I just see far more opportunities for this to go sideways than the slim chance it is what is in represented to be in that article.

  59. p.g.sharrow says:

    It appears to me that the worst fears of the Left and Dark State are about to take place..
    Trump / Russian Collusion! It is no wonder their minions are being driven insane with talking points of disaster for their whole world. We see Woopy Goldburg turn into a snarling foaming at the mouth rabid attack dog towards a Trump defender. On Fox yesterday, a reporter was asked about the seemingly exactly the same talking points from the MSM every morning and how this comes about. He deflected to other subjects every time the subject was put to him. He is generally a middle of the road guy, this time he was desperate to remain on the fence.

    I have been wondering , Just how did the Hillary Clinton Election operation gather their bragged about, over a $billion dollar campaign fund? Trump gathered $350 million. Where did all that money go? No way they could have spent all that money on the election. A big pile of money seems to have been moved from New York banks to Dubai banks right after the election. The Clinton Foundation seems to have been an international money laundering operation.

    Putin will be happy to help Trump burn the world wide Dark State that is his enemy as well. The American Intelligence, Justice department and State department have been compromised at the top and are part of the Dark State that wants to stop any Trump effort at draining their swampy home of corruption. During the election, Trump, in jest, asked Putin for help in getting the goods on the Dark State. I guess Putin took him up on the request. No indication in the MSM of the information dump from Putin. Trump and company are mum as they are examining the information, but they seem to be happy campers no matter what the Left throws at them.

    Prophecies say that the “Brothers of the North” will unite, establish a PAX, and outlaw war. The only protection Russia has from a resurgent China and the festering cancer of Islam is to ally herself with the Americans….pg .

  60. E.M.Smith says:

    I find that Politico article Yet Another Nothing Burger.

    A big tell (other than the rampant dissing of Trump) is at the end where they toss Sarah H. Sanders under the bus as “refusing to immediately rule out” handing over ex-Moscow Ambassador McFaul. I saw that interaction. She was asked what Trump’s position was and answered that there wasn’t one she knew of but would get back to them all once one was made known. That is EXACTLY what a press secretary is supposed to do. Say what is approved, and when hit with things from left field NOT make policy nor speak for the President, but fetch the information if available and approved for release.

    Now either Politico is brain dead about press secretary protocol, or they are deliberately making muck-to-rake out of deliberate obfuscation of the truth ( i.e. lying for effect). Clearly it’s the latter.

    That, then, casts ever single thing in that article into the “Likely political spin and lying for effect” bucket until proven otherwise.

  61. cdquarles says:

    What seems to have been forgotten is that those Venona transcripts were verified after the USSR’s collapse. Yeltsin, I believe, let us see some of the originals. I had a book written by a Russian operative that was there, at the time, confirming what “Tail-gunner” Joe knew, from those transcripts.
    So why did the Left hate Nixon, a Rockefeller Republican (aka ‘progressive’)? Because he aired the dirty laundry that they could not refute, both then and now. Russia has “meddled” with us for at least a century. We’ve been “meddling” with them at least that long as well.

  62. Larry Ledwick says:

    Bet you won’t see coverage of this support of President Trump in the UK on the major media.

    We may be seeing a world wide coalition of “Deplorables” starting to form.

    Twitter video clip of street rally in UK chanting “We love Trump” – appears to be part of the “Free Tommy” activity.

  63. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larry L:

    When you look at it en-bloc there’s a whole lot of resistance of the Trump Type shaping up across all of Europe. It is only covered in the negative as “Nationalism” or “Populism” (both used as though they were pejoratives, BTW). IMHO, the “deplorables” folks of Italy, Hungary, Greece, Netherlands, The UK, Poland, etc. etc. are all aware of the same problems and all supportive of the same (correct) solutions. I’ve noticed them. I suspect they have noticed us, and Trump.

    While their media is just as crammed with dissing for Orban and anyone similar as our media is crammed with dissing Trump, it’s a pretty good negative indicator for what’s really going on, IMHO.

    Just search on “Europe Nationalist” and you ought to surface most of them. These are folks the People are supporting. Despite wall-to-wall negative propaganda against them.

    I think those folks ought to form a club… (or likely will start making connections…)


    Seems there’s a Wiki for Nationalists…

    21st-century nationalist leaders

    Tomislav Nikolić (Serbia)
    Aleksandar Vučić (Serbia)
    Viktor Orbán (Hungary)
    Narendra Modi (India)
    Rodrigo Duterte (Philippines)
    Donald Trump (United States of America)
    Vladimir Putin (Russia)
    Dmitri Medvedev (Russia)
    Xi Jinping (People’s Republic of China)
    Mohammed bin Salman (Kingdom of Saudi Arabia)

    20th and 21st-century nationalists

    Rubén Berríos Martínez (Puerto Rico)
    David Orchard (Canada)
    Gerry Adams (Ireland)
    Mark Durkan (Ireland)
    Nick Griffin (United Kingdom)
    Mel Hurtig (Canada)
    Maude Barlow (Canada)
    Jared Taylor (United States)
    Nigel Farage (United Kingdom)
    Juan José Ibarretxe (Basque Country)
    * Meir Kahane (Israel)
    Toshio Tamogami (Japan)
    Harry S. Weeks (United States)
    Plínio Salgado (Brazil)
    Augustus Invictus (United States)
    Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud (Saudi Arabia)

    Nationalist politicians

    Sabino Arana (Basques)
    Xabier Arzalluz (Basque Country)
    Richard Barnbrook (United Kingdom)
    Christoph Blocher (Switzerland)
    Umberto Bossi (Italy)
    Andrew Brons (United Kingdom)
    Anto Đapić (Croatia)
    Roman Dmowski (Poland)
    Hossein Fatemi (Iran)
    Gianfranco Fini (Italy)
    Dariush Forouhar (Iran)
    Pim Fortuyn (Netherlands)
    Nick Griffin (United Kingdom)
    Jörg Haider (Austria)
    Pauline Hanson (Australia)
    Shintaro Ishihara (Japan)
    Jean-Marie Le Pen (France)
    Marine Le Pen (France)
    Vladimír Mečiar (Slovakia)
    Ali Mohamed Osoble (Somalia)
    Juan Dalmau Ramírez (Puerto Rico)
    Željko Ražnatović “Arkan” (Yugoslavia – Serbia)
    Claro M. Recto (Philippines)
    Maria de Lourdes Santiago (Puerto Rico)
    Enéas Carneiro (Brazil)
    Antun Saadeh (Lebanon)
    Alex Salmond (Scotland)
    Matteo Salvini (Italy)
    Vojislav Šešelj (Serbia)
    Volen Siderov (Bulgaria)
    Dimitar Stoyanov (Bulgaria)
    Corneliu Vadim Tudor (Romania)
    Éamon de Valera (Ireland)
    Geert Wilders (The Netherlands)
    Vladimir Zhirinovsky (Russia)
    Begum Khaleda Zia (Bangladesh)

  64. Larry Ledwick says:

    More efforts to tease out the hidden info buried in various data streams like the text messages from Peter Strzok and Lisa Page.

    I have a feeling that this crowd sourcing is going to eventually pull all the loose threads in this ball of yarn and eventually we will have a pretty good (and prosecutable time line). I for one do not think Jeff Sessions is sitting on his hands doing nothing I think he is waiting for all this slow walked evidence to get released and analyzed. Then when it is going to have the most impact on the Progressives and the Democratic party leadership he will lower the boom. With almost 40,000 sealed indictments sitting out there something is just waiting for the right moment to get released.

  65. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larry L;

    Is there some objective proof that there are thousands of sealed indictments?

    I hear the number being batted about, but I’ve never seen a source.

  66. Larry Ledwick says:

    The Justice department publishes listings for each jurisdiction, and some folks are keeping a listing taken from those official sources. This is from this spring, I haven’t found the most current listing yet.

    View at

  67. Larry Ledwick says:

    This appears to be the current listing, over on the right margin of the doc are links to the official court district listing that entry is compiled from>

  68. jim2 says:

    Whether there is anything to the 160 TB story or not, that scenario IS the worst nightmare of a lot of people. That’s why they are pulling their hair out over the fact the meeting was private. I’m luvin it.

  69. jim2 says:

    Along the 160 TB line, Dimowits on the Sunday talk shows are despairing over the fact that the TLAs are not privy to the Trump/Putin conversation. They seem to hold the TLAs as a fourth branch of government, equal to the Constitutionally defined Administrative, Legislative, and Congressional branches. They have it backwards. The TLAs are subordinate to the Administration, not the other way round.

  70. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larry L:

    OK, so they are published and look real.

    What is odd is that DC (listed as ‘of Columbia’ – something ate the “District”…) has fairly few while Colorado, Texas and California have a lot. Doesn’t look like the distribution of DC Denizens… though Virginia has a good number.

    I’d figure it was more to do with drugs or illegal aliens from the distribution by State. Though Massachusetts & Maryland fit the political angle.

    I say something is up, but doubt it’s a political swamp denizens list (unless everyone of interest is spread over the whole nation proportional to population…)


    Yeah, I’m loving it too ;-)

    Just the amazing histrionics over Trump having a private conversation but not a peep about Hillary having 30,000 secret emails… Just Amazing.

    Were I Trump, and given how crazy it is driving them, I’d schedule a “one a month” private 1 on 1 with a rotating group of world leaders, with emphasis on those most likely to make ‘splody heads ;-) It might even be fun to have some without any translator or with only the other guy’s translator present Limit the talk to favorite foods, order in some pizza and bucket of chicken. Just shoot the breeze… Then watch the fireworks ;-)

    Heck, schedule a quarterly golf game with Putin and a translator caddy each. Just talk about the game, weather, how life is treating each of you… Were I Trump I think I’d be unable to resist that Giant Nose Tweek…

  71. E.M.Smith says:

    Oh, and when asked, tell everyone you just talked about the grandchildren ;-)

  72. p.g.sharrow says:

    Yeah! Just the threat of 160 TB of data from Russian Intel in Trumps hands and Not in the hands of the Dark State manipulators must be making them quake in their boots. Now the Democrat, RINO good old boy network will see what collusion with the Russians really looks like. I can smell shades of LBJ manipulation of politicians with threats of exposure. I would expect to hear of a flood of resignations and changes of

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