W.O.O.D. – 26 July 2018

Intro

This is another of the W.O.O.D. series of semi-regular
Weekly Occasional Open Discussions.
(i.e. if I forget and skip one, no big)

Immediate prior one here:
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2018/07/10/w-o-o-d-10-july-2018/
and remains open for threads running there
(at least until the ‘several month’ auto-close of comments on stale threads).

Canonical list of old ones here:
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/category/w-o-o-d/

So use “Tips” for “Oooh, look at the interesting ponder thing!”
and “W.O.O.D” for “Did you see what just happened?! What did you think about it?”

What’s Going On?

Trump is Winning! EU comes to the bargaining table and decides car tariffs are more than Kaiser, er Germany can stand. Buys loads of soybeans… Brexiteers, take note of what works. A swift kick in the dangly bits. Tell the Germans you are FINE with tariff barriers, especially on EU cars…

China realizes their tariff on Soybeans just went out the window… Watch for them to realize buying Brazilian at higher prices is just not winning.

Lots of folks finding out that a Trade War when the Other Guy is losing $Billions to you on unfair trade practices is an easy win for them, you not so much. Cut trade to ZERO and the USA is $Billions (really about a $Trillion / year) WINNING!

Rosenstein has articles of impeachment filed. (Tee Hee ;-) Watch as Muller and friends try to figure out what land mine is in front of them next…

Putin meeting put off for a while. Need to find another thing where it’s the cudgel… EU already folded, so what next? Maybe China? Announce a “war game” with Russia somewhere in east Asia? Maybe joint sea “rescue” exercise in the South China Sea… Trump and Putin to observe from a nice Pacific island Hotel…

Faceplant, er Facebook, finding out what happens when you “lose” everyones data (at a profit?…) and piss off 1/2 the population by banning Right Wing POV. Stock down about 1/4 at last look. NFL, you listening? (They have suspended their too wishy washy rule during pre-season and are having a bit of a think. Think well, or maybe you too can lose 1/4 of your market value.)

There was a mention of a PeerTube or something like that in one of the comment threads. I started looking for peer-2-peer YouTube like things, but couldn’t find it. Maybe I’ll find it later. Ideas on P2P video services to review welcome.

Near as I can tell, Kiluea continues to flow to the sea and collapse at the center, but nobody cares anymore. Maybe if it blows up big folks will notice again.

Massive rain and floods along the American East Coast, drought in England. Think the Gulf Stream might have slowed down, not delivering all that warm moisture “Over There” but dumping it here instead? How to get good data on gulf stream speed and volume? I donno…

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About E.M.Smith

A technical managerial sort interested in things from Stonehenge to computer science. My present "hot buttons' are the mythology of Climate Change and ancient metrology; but things change...
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211 Responses to W.O.O.D. – 26 July 2018

  1. jim2 says:

    From the weather is not climate department:

    “You see roads melting, airplanes not being able to take off, there’s not enough water,” said Katharine Hayhoe, director of the Climate Science Center at Texas Tech University. “Climate change hits us at our Achilles’ heel. In the Southwest, it’s water availability. On the Gulf Coast, it’s hurricanes. In the East, it’s flooding. It’s exacerbating the risks we already face today.”

    https://www.nola.com/environment/index.ssf/2018/07/climate_change_global_warming_1.html

  2. p.g.sharrow says:

    The earthquake map of Kilauea is showing an interesting quake swarm under the west end of the West Rift, last week it was around 25 miles deep, today it is at 20 miles deep. This is deep under the island, not in it. Quakes in the island or immediately under it are less then 12 miles deep. The outflow from fissure #8 on the east end of the east rift seems to have slowed and the big quakes under Kilauea have slowed as well…pg

  3. ossqss says:

    NAO flip EM.

  4. E.M.Smith says:

    FWIW, I’ve managed to download a couple of YouTube videos as MP4 files.

    I know, not all that novel as a few million a year are done by the folks making pirate copies of things from YouTube… but it was a personal first.

    I’m using the web site and extension from: https://en.savefrom.net/

    I’m not endorsing it and have no idea if it is particularly good or bad, just that it worked in FireFox on my Mac. I tried a couple of other extensions that rejected my Mac OS as too old, or the browser as too old; so anything that worked was a feature… (Plus some that expect to ONLY EVER see a Windoz PC…)

    Basically it’s a first step in getting my feet wet on video stuff. At least now when I see a YouTube that I want to make sure doesn’t evaporate I can snag a copy for the archive.

    My pointer to them came from an article here:

    https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2476563,00.asp

    And if anyone has actual skill / understanding / knowledge of what works or where there be dragons, I’m interested. The “savefrom” folks put up lots of nags to download and install stuff and have the CNET kind of “download” buttons that download some advertized stuff not the video, so you must look for the small blue type link that says “slowly download in your browser” and not big green DOWNLOAD!!! buttons; but it works. The extension is a little easier, but still “has issues”, so you get a green down arrow added to the row in the top of the browser where the first 2 items are download some other product and you have to open the “other” to get MP4 choice (and even then, I had to right-click open in a new tab to get it to go). The extension under the YouTube image works a bit better, but I still had to click to open it, skip the first two choices, then “open in another tab” the MP4 780p to get it to download.

    So clunky and with lots of attempts to derail you into installing something else.

    As soon as I find one better, I’ll ditch it. But as the “first one to work” it’s what I’m using now as I search the rest of the choices…

    BUT: Looks like I’m gonna need more disks for my file server ;-)

  5. Larry Ledwick says:

    Condi rice on her observations about Putin and Russia.

    short video clip (1:41)
    Condi on Putin

  6. E.M.Smith says:

    Larry L;

    Don’t know why, but the video in the tweet doesn’t play for me. Perhaps it uses something not supported in this old browser. I’ll try it on a newer Chrome later… this is a FireFox 48.0.2 but it’s the newest thing that runs in this old Mac (that can’t be upgraded and is stuck at 10.7.5 ).

    “someday” I’m going to finish putting Linux on it when the “stuck on old” gets too problematic ;-)

  7. E.M.Smith says:

    Oh God… at 3 minutes, video, Maxine Waters says it’s God’s Work she’s doing and God told her to take down Trump…

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/tQX3lUGMgrx7/

    It looks like a pod of conservatives have moved to bitchute. This one looks at “witnesses” that Mueller is giving immunity for testimony against “good guys”…

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/2bJiBv3ahbs/

    Takes a rip at Comey ;-)

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/rCx4NbS2Sgg/

    Interesting… Putin rips Soros (on RT) and talks about N.K. and EU.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/NDPcODg4sFiH/

    Lots more at the top level: https://www.bitchute.com

    Looks like bitchute may have come of age…

  8. E.M.Smith says:

    OMG, someone calling out PC in no uncertain terms:

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/7KudWtE_Jd0/

    Infowars (having had many Youtubes taken down) looks to be there too (this being 2 hours of news and discussion of the Faceplant Fail and Youtube censorship and more)

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/iSfWZNg8h_A/

    Looks like the Censorship Brigade is making Bitchute take off…

  9. E.M.Smith says:

    A remarkably good video of about 15 minutes, listing specific categories of behaviour and how Progressivism fits into them; essentially as a cult. A lot of it you will recognize as things you already see (language manipulation, group self policing, rejection and name calling of Others) but it has some added bits (8 points total) and it is just well assembled and presented.

    It really is well worth the time to watch. In fact, I’m going to watch it again (something I rarely do with things that are not music…)

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/waLCY04AP7e1/

  10. E.M.Smith says:

    A bit conspiracy theory for my tastes, but someone else is saying out loud something I’ve wondered about: What if it was England that made the Dossier happen and the Trump set up? There’s also some of the paranoia about the Fed that I’m not signed up to, but who knows.

    There’s a LOT more in this, and some of it might explain the “sealed indictments” in that she claims the Island sex cult has been subject to a take down and that the whole political control octopus from it going with it. Then Pelosi and her money scams and more… Doesn’t seem to be reading a script, and covers so much, so clearly is steeped in the details.

    Makes some connections I’d not heard of, like a “Nexium” or “Nexivm” arrests.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/SrJpa11IcRCn/

    I think this is the arrest story she was talking about:

    https://nypost.com/2018/03/27/inside-the-cult-authorities-allege-was-a-secret-society-of-sex-slaves/

    The dark cult with billionaires, stars, and allegations of sex slavery
    By Ruth Brown
    March 27, 2018 | 11:29pm | Updated

    Nxivm had all the hallmarks of a money-scamming cult — but the truth was far, far worse.

    Devotees of the upstate self-help organization pay thousands of dollars for seminars, wear colored sashes denoting their “rank,” spout Scientology-like jargon, and literally bow before leader Keith Raniere — whom they call “The Vanguard.”

    Nxivm (pronounced “Nexium”) has deep pockets, outposts around the world, and draws celebrity attendees, including actresses Allison Mack, Kristin Kreuk and Nicki Clyne, and even hosted the Dalai Lama at an event in 2009.

    But behind the scenes, Raniere has been blackmailing his female followers into becoming sex slaves branded with his initials, while other women in the group were made to wear fake cow udders on their bare breasts in acts of ritual humiliation, federal prosecutors allege.

    On Monday, Raniere’s secret world came crashing down when authorities tracked him down in Mexico after a months-long manhunt and arrested him for sex trafficking and forced labor.

    He was arraigned in Texas on Tuesday and will now be brought to Brooklyn to face justice after what prosecutors say has been a lifetime of scamming and abusing women.

  11. David A says:

    I have high confidence that Trump is doing more to fight the deep state then some Twitter complaints about a witch hunt.

    Remember, Trump kept FISA intact!

  12. jim2 says:

    Re Mueller examining Trump Tweets in an effort to find obstruction, I get the impression Mueller is just trolling to try to get Trump to fire him or some such. Same with a lot of the headlines we see that are potentially disturbing to Trump fans, but have no meat.

  13. H.R. says:

    jim2: “I get the impression Mueller is just trolling to try to get Trump to fire him or some such.”

    Firing Mueller to set off cries of “Obstruction!” is really the only card the Uniparty has left.

  14. llanfar says:

    No. They still have WW3 as an option…think Iran. Thomas Wictor had a good thread on it yesterday… https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1022680597477711875.html

  15. Jon K says:

    Sorry, wish there was an edit feature. That link is old data.

  16. cdquarles says:

    Nice one, llanfar. Very Sun-Tzu like. Know your enemy. Know yourself. Turn your weaknesses into strength. Turn your opponent’s strengths into weaknesses. When weak, appear strong. When strong, appear weak. Get inside your opponent’s OODA loop. If you must fight, make your enemy pay the price and have no one else pay it.

  17. E.M.Smith says:

    No comments on the bitchute option for videos? Oh Well… If found it fascinating that a load of folks censored by YouTube were popping up at a new venue and likely fueling rapid growth, along with a common community of interest.

    @llanfar:

    I second the kudos. Good one. I do believe in the power of misdirection and deception to be greater than the physical forces (see W.W.II and deception operations against the Germans. In one case a superior army was caused to retreat using loud speakers, tapes of tank movements, and blow-up-dolls of tanks and such, along with fake radio chatter.)

    Yet it’s also very effective to just kill all the rats. I’ve done that too.

    For each problem there are many solutions. Choosing the best one at the least cost is the art of war; but choosing a good enough one at acceptable cost also works…

    So would bombing all of Iran make sense? No. But some very accurate bombs on just the right persons and places, coupled with some complementary information flows; that would work wonders…

    Would that be “better” than a few Special Forces enabling an interior revolution? Who knows. That’s the job of Generals to work out. How fast? How certain?

    Personally, I’d plan it as a phased set of activities. Start with the least intrusive and roll up to the next most intrusive on defined “failure to advance fast enough” points. Assured success at some level of action, but minimal effort to get there gauged on what was actually needed and not some fantasy projection of theory.

  18. philjourdan says:

    Just read this article and was laughing the whole time! https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/07/27/why-the-lgbt-alliance-could-be-on-the-brink-of-schism/

    It seems there is a schism developing in the LGBT movement where real lesbians (who often only tolerate gay males and no others) are upset that some T females are calling themselves lesbians! They see it as a dark plot to force lesbians to have sex with {shock} MEN! (Disclosure: I have often identified as a Transwoman lesbian).

    But I did learn a new term – TERF (which I found deliciously ironic if not down right openly sarcastic). It stands for trans-exclusionary radical feminists. Basically women who really hate penises (penii?) regardless of who is carrying it!

    I guess file this under the Friday Funnies (sorry Anthony for stealing your title).

  19. philjourdan says:

    “In one case a superior army was caused to retreat “

    Or (as I just finished reading an excellent treatment of Antietam) due to just illusions and bad intel! History writes Antietam was a loss for the south, and it was as it caused France and Britain to rethink their recognition. But it is also a masterful story of how a small, poorly kept army fought the might of the Union to a stalemate.

    After that battle was when McClellan was finally relieved of his command of the Army of the Potomac. Much to the regret of Lee.

  20. Larry Ledwick says:

    EM talking about your simple rules for the blog found something similar on twiter today.

    Steph @steph93065
    9 hours ago
    .@Twitter terms of service should be:

    This is an open platform. You will see words you don’t like. These words cannot hurt you (see kindergarten teacher for details)

    You may block or mute speech you don’t like.

    ISIS and other criminal recruiting is
    Prohibited.

  21. jim2 says:

    Strike a blow for liberty!!! From the article:

    The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled Friday that a lawsuit by supporters of Donald Trump against San Jose police officers who allegedly failed to protect them from an anti-Trump riot in June 2016 could proceed, defeating the city’s appeal.

    https://www.breitbart.com/california/2018/07/27/ninth-circuit-lets-trump-supporters-hurt-in-san-jose-riot-sue-police/

  22. E.M.Smith says:

    OMG! They have put something in the water at the 9th!

    (Or maybe there’s back room talk of splitting it into a couple of new districts and leaving them as the “13th” with LA and SF ;-)

  23. science says:

    Ocean currents (updates every 5 days)… https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/ocean/surface/currents/orthographic

    You can also choose wind and temperature, etc. Excellent and interesting site!

  24. jim2 says:

    Chuck Todd just now presented a piece where he speculated that Wisconsin and Michigan, two states who helped vote in Trump, would turn blue for the 2018 mid-terms. I just checked the unemployment rate for those two states and both are at 18 year lows. The redimowits have a lot to brag about.

    The mid-term results will depend on turnout in states like these. I believe Trump has said he is going to campaign like crazy. I hope he can fire people up!

    Of course, Todd is trying to fire up the dimowit base by spouting this nonsense.

  25. Larry Ledwick says:

    Well North Eastern Colorado is getting pounded with big hail this afternoon, a big cell just slipped past a friends house by about 6 miles and according to NWS was capable of 3.00 inch hail, currently expected to put down 2.75 inch hail as it crosses I-76 north east of Hudson Colorado.

    It ran right over Greeley and the small town of Evans when it was returning 70-72 DBz echo returns on radar, which is really really rare out here, seldom see storms over 65 DBz and hail that large is usually rare but these storms have been forecast by radar to be in the +2.00 inch range for the last 3 hours or so.

    Glad I canceled plans to go do some outdoor stuff in that area this afternoon. After looking at the radar we decided a rain out was preferred.

  26. Larry Ledwick says:

    This is the top part of the NWS warning text on this storm.
    WWUS55 KBOU 300145
    SVSBOU

    Severe Weather Statement
    National Weather Service Denver CO
    745 PM MDT SUN JUL 29 2018

    COC001-123-300200-
    /O.CON.KBOU.SV.W.0255.000000T0000Z-180730T0200Z/
    Weld CO-Adams CO-
    745 PM MDT SUN JUL 29 2018

    …A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 800 PM MDT
    FOR SOUTH CENTRAL WELD AND NORTH CENTRAL ADAMS COUNTIES…

    At 744 PM MDT, a severe thunderstorm was located 4 miles north of
    Keenesburg, or 21 miles southeast of Greeley, moving southeast at 45
    mph.

    HAZARD…Two inch hail and 60 mph wind gusts.

    SOURCE…Radar indicated.

    IMPACT…Expect damage to roofs, siding, and trees. People and
    animals outdoors will be injured. Expect hail damage to
    roofs, siding, windows, and vehicles.

    Locations impacted include…
    Hudson, Keenesburg, Prospect Valley and Roggen.

    PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS…

    This is a dangerous storm. Prepare immediately for large destructive
    hail capable of producing significant damage. People outside should
    move to a shelter, inside a strong building and away from windows.

    Torrential rainfall is occurring with this storm, and may lead to
    flash flooding. Do not drive your vehicle through flooded roadways.

  27. Larry Ledwick says:

    We now have a storm tracking through central Colorado capable of 3.5 inch hail and a second one just leaving the state (heading into Kansas) capable of 4.00 inch hail.

    Some pictures showing up of fist size holes in car windows from the Greeley area, this storm complex is going to cost a lot of people a lot of money.

    It was deceptively cool this morning (65 deg F) should be in the high 70’s by 8 – 9 am, but the storms broke the cap at only the mid 70’s which means a low freezing level so potential to build huge hail due to the high energy available from high humidity for this part of the country.

    10 pm news should have some interesting coverage.

    https://denver.cbslocal.com/video/category/news-weather/3908099-damage-in-wake-of-tornado-warned-storm-in-brush/

    https://kdvr.com/2018/07/29/weather-snaps-storm-nails-greeley-with-golf-ball-sized-hail/

  28. philjourdan says:

    @jim2 on 29 July 2018 at 2:52 pm

    Wisconsin and Michigan never stopped being blue! At least from a Rep and Senator perspective. So that is just stupidity on Todd’s part (par for the course unfortunately).

  29. philjourdan says:

    The law of unintended consequences – http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/07/30/canadian-man-legally-lists-gender-as-female-to-get-cheaper-car-insurance-report.html

    Or, Stupid laws are stupid. Insurance companies are not going to be denied, so it is going to be interesting to see how they deal with this type of stuff. But that is merely an amusing sidebar.

    I am loving the theater as these phony groups get their panties in a wad over someone gaming the system. Which is what some of us told them would happen from the get go (but we are called Transphobes or something equally inane and not real).

    More power to this “woman” who is just playing by the rules the idiots imposed on us.

  30. E.M.Smith says:

    @Phil:

    There are just so many ways that whole thing will go wrong. Yet I’d not thought of the insurance angle… Health and life insurance too.

    IMHO, we need lust two doors on bathrooms: With winky, and without.

    I don’t care at all how you “feel” about it or what you want to do with it, with whom, when at home; but I don’t want your winky “in use” in the same room as my spouse or under age kids.

    It isn’t about you or how you “feel”; it’s abut the hardware…

    @Larry:

    That’s one of those things I need to learn: Frequency, probability, and potential damage from large hail. The idea of 3 or 4 inch hail just “does not compute” for me. So far I’ve avoided it, but don’t know if that is to be expected or just dumb luck. No idea of the frequency nor distribution (other than “outside California:)

    Do folks try to dodge it (drive away) or just sit and hope? Take their lumps and fix the damage?

  31. Larry Ledwick says:

    There is an area of Colorado and out into Kansas and Nebraska that is pretty much the hail capital of the world. Due to our high elevation the freezing level is much lower than farther east (translation it takes less storm energy to lift moisture high enough to start forming hail).

    We usually lack the low level moisture to kick off those kind of storms that usually happens a bit east of the area east of the Denver Metro complex out into Kansas and parts of Oklahoma. When storm chasing in Colorado humidity near 50% is really high for Colorado in the summer, yesterday low level humidity was in the 70% range and only in the mid high 60’s by mid day, then the overcast cleared and that created enough heating to break the cap, then the latent energy of all that moisture went to work. We normally do not see storm radar echos much above the low mid 60 DBz range, yesterday some of the storms got up to 72 DBz radar echo.

    The smartest move is to stay away from storms like that if you can. Normal storm motion in the central plains is from south west to north east. Yesterday a disturbance came out of Wyoming to help lift the moisture and the storm motion was from north west to south east.

    Generally your safest escape is to move to the west (or south west in normal storm motion conditions) Severe hail swaths are not too wide typically only a few miles long and I have seen hail on the ground only 1/4 mile wide, so you don’t have to move far to get out from under the hail shaft.

    If you are looking for them hail shafts are white and if there is hail the clouds take on a green tint. If you see the green stay away from any rain/hail shafts coming out of that storm.
    The hail size is also typically a gradient with small pea size hail on the periphery of the hail zone and gradually getting bigger as you near the core. So get into pea size hail turn west and get out from under the cloud putting down that hail shaft.

    In the spring thunder storms can move very fast out on the central plains with ground speeds in excess of 50 mph. Since you cannot directly follow the vector of the storm due to road directions they are almost impossible to catch if you are chasing. I have spent hours driving as fast as I could (80 mph plus) on interstates and never been able to catch spring storms. This time of the year as the gulf monsoon sets up, they slow down a lot and can become almost stationary storms that just dump enormous amounts of rain and can pound an area to pulp with hail.

    Yesterday’s storms were moving 25 – 35 mph so for most folks it would have been easy to stay out of their way. The bad news is they were almost squall line storms, strings of strong storms marching line abreast that was 30-50 miles long on occasion. In that case you need to make a judgement “can I stay ahead of this thing until it falls apart”. Most severe thunder storms only are at peak intensity for 20- 45 minutes or so then they collapse and a neighboring cell feeds on their outflow and goes severe. In a long squall line storm you only options are usually find a place of shelter or try to punch through the squall line at a weak point where a cell is dying, or not mature yet.

    The bad news is if the cells become super cells and create their own local wind flow field they can persist at big severe storms for hours and cover a hundred plus miles.

    Back in the early 1990’s we had a storm build just east of Estes park and track south east. It was a super cell and it laid a swath of golf ball and larger hail that ran from the north metro Denver area all the way down to the Cherry Creek Reservoir area. One of my friends at the time was an EMT who was working in an Aurora hospital an they were getting people into the emergency rooms beat up pretty bad by large hail. One guy got trapped in a Corvette convertible on the interstate traffic jam and had to take cover under the passenger side foot well dashboard as the hail shredded his convertible top.

    A similar storm killed an infant in the Greeley area a in the same period. A woman tried to run from her car to a building and was unable to fully protect the child and it got smacked on the head with a baseball sized hail stone and killed.

    There are records of entire flocks of water fowl being killed by severe hail (20,000+ ducks and geese as I recall)

    I once chased a severe storm up near Hillrose Colorado (north east corner of the state) strong down burst event rolled over a trailer home which was not tied down and killed one person and injured the wife and their dog. I got out there the next morning and the injured dog came up to my car and sat next to it (I had my dog in the car). An hour or so later the relatives of the family came buy and thanked me for taking care of the dog ( I had put out some water for him).

    In walking the field near the trailer (debris was scattered over about 200 yards down wind from the trailer frame and pile of smashed furniture, I found multiple small animals beat to death by the hail in the field.

    Now days lots of folks try to find shelter under highway over passes but this creates a big hazard for both traffic accidents and blocks emergency vehicles. You can take a lot of energy out of the hail by parking under and overhanging tree. The car gets covered with leaf mulch and there is some risk of a branch or even the tree coming down in high winds, but anything that provides cover helps. Most severe hail has a distinct direction of fall, and if you snuggle up on the lee side of a building or large sign board there is usually a shadow area that takes much less damage.

    How you position your car can make a big difference too, if large hail strikes a windshield or back window perpendicular to the surface it will break the window or in tennis ball up sizes punch right through the windows. If you park the car so the hail direction strikes all the windows at a shallow angle much of the hail will just glance off. (one of the reasons I like station wagon style chase cars) you can park them with one of the rear corners facing the hail direction and the windshield facing away from the storm, and if you lose a window it will probably only be the back window in the tail gate.

    People sometimes try padding the car by putting floor mats or something similar on the top or hood but if winds are high they don’t stay there long.

    (this is also why I chased with a hard hat in the car – right now I have a generic round shape bike/skate board helmet I keep in the car for exactly that sort of situation.)

  32. philjourdan says:

    @E.M. No one can be expected to figure out every contingency. But with enough people, someone will figure out every contingency! Like you, I had not thought of the insurance angle, but that is probably because we are too old to worry about the rate difference. But not that young man!

    This is but another nail in the coffin. I like your idea. Winky, door 1, no Winky, door 2. Period. Call the rooms Innies and Outies if you want. But the stories of DOMs exposing themselves to women and young children are already starting to add up. And even assaults. That is why I do not set foot in Target. You do not have to worry about that stuff with Amazon. They are merely signing their own death knell.

  33. H.R. says:

    @Larry: Thanks for the meteorological explanation of why you get hail, and very large hail at that. I can see why you’d keep a bike helmet handy.

    So now you’ve got me thinking why we don’t get much hail in our neck of the woods, and when we do, it’s generally pea-sized or at most, dime-sized hail. Most hail occurs in the southern part of our state where the foothills of the Appalachians start and they get golf-ball sized hail often enough.

    OH! I live about 4 or 5 miles north of Interstate 70. (I can remember using old Route 40 before I-70 was completed.) Anyhow, in the 1970’s my brother noticed that I-70 and the cleared right-of-way was a significant enough feature that it seemed to be a dividing line for precipitation across the state.

    The local meteorologists caught on as well (I think my brother beat them, though) and local forecasts are kind of split into “If you’re north of I-70, expect FOO and areas south of I-70 should expect BAR.” I have seen it many times on the way home when I worked south of I-70 and returned to my home north of I-70, going from drenching rain to clear skies or heavy snow to light snow, and vise versa.

    I don’t know how it is in other parts of the country with the major interstates, but I’m sure there are other areas where the interstate throws a curve ball into the local weather. The interstates are a significant man-made feature.

  34. Jon K says:

    Interesting post on Reddit about the Toronto Shooter’s brother. Scary to think of bombs made from this stuff…

  35. Larry Ledwick says:

    Hail needs a couple things to form, enough humidity to develop good persistent instability so you have fairly long lasting thunder storms, and a local freezing level low enough that the thunder storms lift the precip well above the freezing level and keeps it aloft long enough to form large hail.

    In areas like Florida and the gulf coast the freezing level is so high that even though hail can form in the storm it melts before it gets back to the ground.

    Interstate highways often follow linear terrain features like valleys or rivers and as a result often have different micro climates on opposite sides of the feature.

    For example a storm approaching a river valley will go over sinking terrain as it approaches the deepest part of the valley and then ascending terrain as it goes up the other side.

    This can cause weather events to change character as they cross that feature.

    For example here in the Denver Metro area they often use I-25 (north and south bound in the Denver area) as a delineating feature for weather pattern. East of I-25 the terrain is mostly flat high plains (I-25 parallels the Platte river near Denver then splits off into open high plains as it goes north.) West of I-25 in the metro area you have flat rising terrain which suddenly rises dramatically as it gets to the front range of the Rockies.

    In the winter time we will get deep snow west of I-25 due to the rising terrain and lighter snows but blizzard conditions due to the open plains not inhibiting wind development over flat open terrain.

    I suspect in many areas of the country you will find major highways tend to hug changes in terrain features like that and as a result weather can change dramatically in just a few miles.

    South of Denver we have a long low ridge call the “Palmer Divide that runs from near Palmer Colorado in the foot hills of the front Range and extends out east north east all the way to the area near Limon. (about 100 miles) It is the divide for drainage between the Platte river drainage to the north and its tributaries and the Arkansas River drainage to the south toward Colorado Springs.

    Driving north and south across “Monument hill” (near the town of Monument) which marks the Palmer Divide on I-25 can have you driving in light rain on one side of the divide and top the hill and drive into a blizzard snow storm in the winter. All because of the lifting of that rising terrain triggering storm development that cannot happen at lower elevations.

  36. E.M.Smith says:

    @Jon K:

    Think you might have been snookered.

    From the Wiki:

    Carfentanil

    Carfentanil or carfentanyl (also known as 4-carbomethoxyfentanyl) is an analog of the synthetic opioid analgesic fentanyl. It was found to be four orders of magnitude or 10,000 times more potent than morphine, making it one of the most potent known and the most potent commercially used opioids. Carfentanil was first synthesized in 1974 by a team of chemists at Janssen Pharmaceutica which included Paul Janssen. It is marketed under the trade name Wildnil as a general anaesthetic agent for large animals..

    So it IS a drug, and not a “weapon”.

    Then:

    “Those 42kgs of carfentanil was worth over 10 million dollars (and this is a modest number). How did he get ahold of this WMD? ”

    That common thing of asserting Street Value Fantasy is actual money.

    Some lab rat making 100 lbs of something (about a dozen gallons) is NOT spending $Millions nor is the guy he sells it to..

  37. philjourdan says:

    @HR

    I don’t know how it is in other parts of the country with the major interstates, but I’m sure there are other areas where the interstate throws a curve ball into the local weather. The interstates are a significant man-made feature.

    Or the interstates follow natural geological features. Around these parts, they talk of “East of I-95” or “West of I-95”, as the snow usually falls on the west side for overland storms, and on the east side for coastal storms. But that has always been the case. It is just a convenient (not absolute) dividing line for where storms hit (also Hurricanes and some Thunderstorms, but not usually as they generally flow west to east).

  38. Larry Ledwick says:

    EM – it can be used as a “drug” but as you mention the poison is in the dose, it is so potent it could easily be used as a chemical weapon. The practical limitations of distribution of a fine powder in the real world would make it much less lethal than described in that post, (ie how do you simultaneously exposed 2 billion people to a fine powder), but it could easily be distributed in a manner to kill or incapacitate dozens or hundreds if that was the intent,

    More importantly in all likelihood it is more dangerous as a source of black market funding for other forms of terrorism attack and in that application its “street value” has meaning.

    There have been several cases where police officers have been nearly killed by simply dusting off some white specks on their uniform or similar innocuous situations when dealing with people transporting high concentration synthetic opiates.

    https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/16/health/police-fentanyl-overdose-trnd/

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/05/fentanyl-first-responders/526389/

    This book documents that there is a long standing strategy by enemies of the US to use drugs as a weapon.

    https://www.amazon.com/Red-Cocaine-Drugging-Joseph-Douglass/dp/096266460X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1532985116&sr=8-1&keywords=book+red+cocaine#customerReviews

    See the second comment in the reviews for the book.

    As a suicide attack method it could easily be used in a high density environment to take down hundreds with very simple methods. The police and first responders are already looking for ways to deal with such an incident.

  39. Another Ian says:

    “Call the rooms Innies and Outies if you want. ”

    As used here in places “Drip dry” and “Shake dry”

  40. philjourdan says:

    @Another Ian – Really? I guess Oz is ahead of the times! :-)

  41. H.R. says:

    It’s pretty much dead flat 30 miles east and 40 miles west of me. Around here, elevation is measured by the height of your platform shoes or which button you push on the elevator. 😜

    I lived in St Louis for a couple of years and the confluence of the Missouri and Mississippi rivers had a noticeable effect on storms going through. I’m not surprised by comments that the interstates follow natural contours in the terrain, but where I am now, it just doesn’t hold true.

    I was just wondering, given the geographic spread of commenters here, if another example could be found. I-95 in Florida sounded like a good candidate, so while I’m in Florida this winter, I’ll keep an eye on the weather each side of I-95. That could be interesting.

  42. E.M.Smith says:

    @H.R.:

    Or the interstate is where it is due to weather effects.

    Two examples:

    Across the southwest is an all weather rail line. It is the reason we took / bought part of New Mexico & Arizona: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadsden_Purchase


    The U.S. sought the land as a better route for the construction of the southern transcontinental railway line,
    and the financially-strapped government of Santa Anna agreed to the sale, which netted Mexico $10 million (equivalent to $270 million in 2017[3]). After the devastating loss of Mexican territory to the U.S. in the Mexican–American War (1846–48) and the continued filibustering by U.S. citizens, Santa Anna may have calculated it was better to yield territory by treaty and receive payment rather than have the territory simply seized by the U.S.[4]

    I-10 follows that rail line for a Looooonng ways. (I’ve watch trains on it while driving it way too many times.). Both are there for the same reason. No snow. It is as far north as you can get and still avoid impeding snow levels.

    The second is to look at the traditional major cities along the South East. All just about 1 hurricane width from the ocean / gulf. That’s where it was safe to build. Now the Interstates that connect them run along that same distance inland. So no surprise hurricane damage is big on one side, slight on the other. (Now foolish people are building up all along the shoreline….)

    One of the big considerations in laying down a roadway, or rail road, is the the typical weather. Where you put your towns, too. Denver is not further up the mountains for a reason. Albuquerque is in the valley, not the mountains all around it for a reason. Etc. etc. In California every major city is below the typical snow level of about 2000 feet.

    People chose to live where the weather was best. Now major Interstates follow the lines connecting them. Often laid on top of an older road that followed the path of clear weather between them, or took the snow free pass.

  43. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larry:

    There’s a big difference between “IS a chemical weapon” and “is a drug that could fund bad stuff” and “is a drug that might hurt folks if used badly”.

    I can kill someone with my dinner fork, but it is not a “weapon of mass murder”… not even an “assault weapon”… even if I could assault someone with it. Otherwise one must state my car has 18 gallons of “arsonist weapons material” in it and that it has a damage value in the $Millions…

    Hype is still hype, even if the bad guy IS a bad guy with evil intent.

  44. Larry Ledwick says:

    It is a matter of semantics I suppose but I consider it to be a chemical weapon and should be treated as such. It is astonishing that no one has used it as a mass casualty producer so far.

    Maybe, because it is silently killing 10’s of thousands a year with little or no media reaction and generally not appreciated by the general public. The current death toll is close to having a commercial air line crash every 1-2 days all year long.

    In the long run, a high kill count which is below the radar will do more damage than a single dramatic attack, and unlike the mass casualty attack will not trigger much of a response.

    Especially troubling is by its very nature it kills those in their prime productive years.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/americas-heroin-epidemic/opioid-overdose-deaths-may-be-undercounted-70-000-n887021

    https://www.statnews.com/2017/06/27/opioid-deaths-forecast/

    Opioids could kill nearly half a million people across America over the next decade as the crisis of addiction and overdose accelerates.

    Deaths from opioids have been rising sharply for years, and drug overdoses already kill more Americans under age 50 than anything else. STAT asked leading public health experts at 10 universities to forecast the arc of the epidemic over the next decade. The consensus: It will get worse before it gets better.

    There are now nearly 100 deaths a day from opioids, a swath of destruction that runs from tony New England suburbs to the farm country of California, from the beach towns of Florida to the Appalachian foothills.

    In the worst-case scenario put forth by STAT’s expert panel, that toll could spike to 250 deaths a day, if potent synthetic opioids like fentanyl and carfentanil continue to spread rapidly and the waits for treatment continue to stretch weeks in hard-hit states like West Virginia and New Hampshire.

    If that prediction proves accurate, the death toll over the next decade could top 650,000. That’s almost as many Americans as will die from breast cancer and prostate cancer during that time period. Put another way, opioids could kill nearly as many Americans in a decade as HIV/AIDS has killed since that epidemic began in the early 1980s. The deep cuts to Medicaid now being debated in Congress could add to the desperation by leaving millions of low-income adults without insurance, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

    Even the more middle-of-the-road forecasts suggest that by 2027, the annual U.S. death toll from opioids alone will likely surpass the worst year of gun deaths on record, and may top the worst year of AIDS deaths at the peak of that epidemic in the 1990s, when nearly 50,000 people were dying each year. The average toll across all 10 forecasts: nearly 500,000 deaths over the next decade.

  45. jim2 says:

    Drugs are a sad note in our society. But the “war” against drugs, along with the “war” on terrorism, morphs to a 4th Amendment breaking surveillance campaign against citizens.

    I would just as soon see them legalized thus cutting the legs from under violent gangs.

    But on that note, if future robots are build with a pleasure center to make them more realistic, all we would have to do is design a virus that repeatedly stimulated that pleasure center and it would be game over for the robot army.

  46. Jon K says:

    @ E.M.
    There have been so many cases of first responders have been accidentally ODing on Fentanyl during standard searches, and talking to my friends who are in the police, this is a major safety concern moving forward. Here are just a few cases:
    https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/edmonton-cop-recalls-close-call-exposure-to-fentanyl-1.3860576
    https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/-if-you-see-white-powder-don-t-touch-it-growing-concern-about-first-responders-exposed-to-fentanyl
    https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/americas-heroin-epidemic/fentanyl-crisis-ohio-cop-accidentally-overdoses-during-drug-call-n759741

    Carfentanil, being more potent than Fentanyl, would seem to be more dangerous to those exposed. I can see how it could be used as a weapon, and there’s the section in the wiki about the potential as a chemical weapon.

    I know the link I posted was a bit over the top, but I ride the train sometimes and it just hit me that I wouldn’t want to be in a train car when someone threw an M80 in a box full of that stuff in with me.

  47. p.g.sharrow says:

    Prohibition, “The War on Drugs” “Zero Tolerance” Is the cause of this rapid rise in drug overdose deaths. As long as addicts are forced to obtain their fix off of the street they will be fed nastier junk by their connections as those suppliers strive for higher returns for their risk or cost of business. It is very rare that a user deliberately ODs, they just want to feel better.
    Proven FACT, readily available Cannabis reduces Opioid deaths. You can not die from any dose of cannabis. Without the government thumb on the scale, cannabis would be too cheap to grow for profit. It would be of no value to the criminal element and the resultant gun battles over sales turf.
    Government is the cause of this Opioid Drug Crises.
    We don’t need them…pg

  48. Larry Ledwick says:

    Hmmm seems the government officials in the previous administration have a problem keeping track of official records. What a shocking development who would have suspected this?

    https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/nat-archives-stumble-onto-new-obama-scandal-wholesale-destruction-of-govt-records/

  49. E.M.Smith says:

    Your argument is basically of the form:

    “It is dangerous therefore it is a weapon” or “it could be used to hurt, therefore it is a weapon”.

    My argument is from the POV of keeping a tidy mind.

    A weapon is defined by actually being used as one, not the potential. Were that not the case, we would need to define EVERY vehicle, flammable substance, toxic material, and even inert gasses as weapons.

    Pesticides can kill (and are in fact first cousins of nerve agents).

    Just filling a room with nitrogen can kill. (Want to take out a train or ballroom? Just fill it with nitrogen. No one will even notice as they dump their CO2, they will just die.)

    To say “it COULD be a potent toxin” or “it is a risk to health as it is strong” is to require all such things to be called and classed and ruled and regulated As Weapons.

    I can grow Castor Beans and make ricin fairly easily. A single castor bean can kill, the extract even more so. I can make botulinum toxin even easier… (simple anaerobic fermentation). They are both extraordinarily toxic and accidental deaths from castor plants (ALL parts are highly toxic) happen. Shall we call every can of fermented peaches and every castor seed package at the hardware store a “weapon”? Like the cop accidentally poisoned, kids get accidentally poisoned eating castor plant parts. Shall we call AIDs patients weapons? Their needles?

    Or just say “it is a plant” and “it is a bacteria” and note in passing that they can be weaponized if you try hard, just like a can of gas or a bag of flour.

    Bag of flour?

    Oh yeah. Set it on top of a tuna can sized bit of explosive (think your M80 example) in a room about 8 feet on a side. When the small explosive goes off, the flour is disbursed as dust, catches fire, and makes a fuel air explosion that takes down the building.

    So shall we start calling bags of flour weapons? They can be…

    That’s the problem of a loose definition and an untidy categorizing. Things get out of place, then you start sliding down a slope to chaos of the meanings… Name Calling. Calling a semi-automatic rifle an “assault rifle” when the real definition is a selective fire or full auto rifle… “But it is dangerous”.. “But it can kill”… But it isn’t accurate and is based on emotional things…

  50. Simon Derricutt says:

    Lethality is somewhat of a sliding scale. There was even some martial-arts guy whose hands were registered as lethal weapons, which made flying a bit difficult. Really what we should look at, maybe, is how much skill is required to operate the weapon and how many people can be killed by it, and how much the weapon costs, and at what distance you can operate it. A low-tech weapon such as a two-by-four or a tyre-iron can kill or disable one person at a time at close-quarters. A hand-gun can kill from further away. A machine-gun can kill many people from a distance but one at a time. A bomb can be remotely set of and kill a large number at the same time. Chemical weapons can kill many people, too – just get it into the water-supply and wait.

    Still, we’re surrounded by things that can kill. It only requires the will to use them to kill, or a lapse in focus to have an accidental death as a result. I can’t understand the thought-processes of people who plot to kill a number of people who they’ve never met and who have done them no harm, but such people exist. I’d not worry about killing such people, either – get them before they get me or people I care about. Again, somewhat of a sliding scale, and different people will settle at different points on that scale from avoiding all non-accidental deaths to promoting mass-murder for no good reasons.

    In war, the objective may not be to kill large numbers of the enemy, but to disable a large-enough number that they become overwhelmed by the need to care for the wounded/disabled. I suspect that the drug problem may be some part of an undeclared war, in that it can be seen to reduce productivity a lot. Of course, there’s the profit-motive as well, since people will pay a lot to acquire that addiction and maintain it. AFAIK that was part of the historic Opium wars of Britain against China – there wouldn’t be enough able-bodied people left to effectively fight the British. Still, I may have mis-read that.

    People get some strange ideas. I can’t see a good reason to have acquired 42kg of Carfentanyl, except to use it to kill a lot of people at random. As we progress in science, there’s bound to be more killing-power accrue to an individual, and some people are crazy. There may also be accidental releases of genetically-modified organisms since kits for gene-splicing are easily-available now, and some people may be sloppy in their handling of the results. Even professionals may make mistakes at times.

    There could be some interesting times coming up, with crazy people not being stopped soon enough or accidents not being foreseen. I doubt if there’s a lot we can do to stop it, unless we’re prepared to go to a mind-controlled police state (and even that is likely to fail to stop everything). Maybe the best way is to strengthen the teaching of ethics, and to keep people out of the country who don’t share those ethics. That won’t stop the home-grown crazies, but should reduce the number of them. Still, as we’ve seen here in the discussions of weapons, it’s impossible to remove the ability to kill someone else whilst retaining a way of life. You can legislate that all cooking-knives have their tips cut off (to stop stabbing) and are blunt to avoid slashing, but anyone with a bit of stone and some time can fix that. You can ban guns, but they aren’t that difficult to make. I think it all boils down to the intentions, and those can’t be legislated.

  51. H.R. says:

    There was a nice trove of gold jewelry found in a 2,800 years-old gravesite being excavated in Kazakhstan. I was looking through the 10 pictures accompanying the article when some beautiful spear points (kinda small), or ceremonial arrowheads (kinda large), were shown in the pictures. Very cool!

    This link is to the article on AKIPress, a Kazakhstan site (Norton has it marked as safe.)
    https://akipress.com/news:609324/

    Right now I’m doing my morning cruise through my regular sites, but I’m going to go back to AKIPress later to see how they roll. It might be a good site for news related to the various ‘Stans.’

  52. Larry Ledwick says:

    I suspect that the drug problem may be some part of an undeclared war, in that it can be seen to reduce productivity a lot. Of course, there’s the profit-motive as well, since people will pay a lot to acquire that addiction and maintain it.

    Oh there is absolutely no question about that at all, Mao explicitly said so when he set up the program, and he specifically pushed drugs into Vietnam to degrade our soldiers. The Opium triangle was an intentional drug running and production program operating out of southern china in the south east asia for the specific purpose of pushing drugs into Vietnam to our soldiers and into other western countries to degrade them

    Russia did the same thing in Latin America via Cuba, Columbia and Venezuela and intentionally created the crack epidemic to attack America in an undeclared war from the south.

    The war on drugs is/was a real war fought in the shadows, as an undeclared war against the west by Communist states since they could not confront us militarily.

    From the Book Red Cocaine:

    Page 1
    “In 1928 Mao Tse-tung, the Chinese communist leader, instructed one of his trusted subordinates, Tan Chen-lin, to begin cultivating opium on a grand scale. Mao had two objectives: obtaining exchange for needed supplies and “drugging the white region”, where “white” was an ideological, not racist, term that Mao used to refer to his non-communist opposition.

    Later Mao would speak of using opium against the imperialists as only a modern phase in the opium wars that began in the 19th century. Opium was a powerful weapon that had been used by the imperialists against the Chinese and should be used against them in a “second Opium War”. It was, as Mao explained to Wang Chen in a lecture on his plan for planting opium, “chemical warfare by indigenous methods” However, the fact that opium previously had been used against the Chinese was only a convenient excuse, not the real reason. Mao had first began using opium as a political weapon against his own people, the Chinese, during his drive to establish communism throughout China. His use of opium expanded simply because it was a very effective weapon.”

    Communist have admitted through defectors that they have been using drugs as a chemical weapon against the west for over 90 years. It is the prefect weapon, it operates in the back alleys quietly killing the prime most productive age group of a people, it has a side effect that makes it addictive so they enemy actually helps you kill him and pays you for the privilege of killing him in the process. More importantly it can conveniently be blamed on other problems not the true source of the drugs, but low life gangsters and thugs which no one will defend.

    The Soviet Union also noticed the effectiveness of the use of drugs as a low level chemical agent of warfare and after studying how the Chinese were using it, adopted the same strategy themselves.

    The combined casualties of the intentional pumping of powerful drugs into the US kills more US citizens each year than were killed in combat during the entire Vietnam war. We have been in a persistent shadow war for 50+ years and the general public has no clue.

    It not only has been used as a weapon – it is currently being used as a weapon.Carfentanil ( Carfentanyl) is so powerful (intended for sedation of very large animals) it has no recognized use in humans as a drug of choice for treatment.

    (http://www.who.int/medicines/access/controlled-substances/Critical_Review_Carfentanil.pdf)
    According to WHO
    Marketing authorizations (as a medicine) There are no marketing authorizations as a medicine for
    carfentanil for use in humans
    .
    The U.S. Department of Defense considers carfentanil a dangerous weapon, and the substance is
    banned from the battlefield under the Chemical Weapons Convention.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/carfentanil-drug-so-deadly-it-is-a-chemical-weapon-available-for-sale-on-internet-a7350186.html

  53. E.M.Smith says:

    OK, so size matters then. Now we get to class ALL gasoline hauling trucks as WMDs…

    Also, since we’ve been in a 50 year shadow war of propaganda (that arguably has ruined many lives too and lead to many deaths) ALL TV, radio, print, and internet outlets are WMDs too…

  54. Larry Ledwick says:

    Hail damage swaths from this weekends storms are visible from space.

    NWS Boulder @NWSBoulder
    Following @NWSBoulder

    The storms this past weekend produced significant hail/wind damage swaths that are visible from the GOES 16 satellite. The discoloration is mostly due to the damage of vegetation and some crops. #COwx

  55. E.M.Smith says:

    Just an FYI:

    Trump having a campaign rally in Tampa. Carried live on Righside Media:
    http://rsbnetwork.com/

    Starting at 4 pm ET or in about 20 minutes.

  56. llanfar says:

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1024397136811646976.html

    [Reply: Thread is per Iran and a new way of battle; clandestine war in Yemen. -E.M.Smith]

  57. E.M.Smith says:

    The Trump rally was something! Ticking off a list of accomplishments. Signs with the slogan “Promises made, Promises kept”. The Democrats are going to have trouble running against that.

    One was that the embassy in Jerusalem was bid at over $Billion and 4 to 5 years; then Trump cut it down to $400,000 and it’s done already… AND it’s a great building.

  58. p.g.sharrow says:

    Lol 4hundred thousand and it’s done!
    Boy is the CIA pissed. They had a bunch of “special” addons included in the State dept, estimate…pg.

  59. Larry Ledwick says:

    Yeah they wanted to build it from the hole in the ground the person he put in charge found this building and realized it could be remodeled to serve the purpose for loose change and in very short time frame.

    Done deal.

  60. p.g.sharrow says:

    This You Tube is about Edward Leedskalnin’s Coral Castle Quarry machinery

    The secrets explained by Author: Ricky Devlin with his recreations of Ed’s equipment and techniques.
    Coral Castle is an oolite limestone structure created by the Latvian American eccentric Edward Leedskalnin. It is located in unincorporated territory of Miami-Dade County, Florida, between the cities of Homestead and Leisure City. The structure comprises numerous megalithic stones, mostly limestone formed from coral, each weighing several tons.
    This is one of the things that caught my fancy many years ago. Wow, somebody actually went to the trouble of studying the remnants and recreated the system, cool…pg

  61. Simon Derricutt says:

    EM – “OK, so size matters then. Now we get to class ALL gasoline hauling trucks as WMDs… ”

    Looks like you thought I was disagreeing with you. Here I am, surrounded with lethal stuff I use every day, and yet I haven’t killed anyone. I was really pointing out that it’s the intent that’s more important, and that since some people get very strange ideas and an individual can control more power as science progresses, then we’re bound to get some mass-killings coming up. Banning any particular product as a WMD won’t work, since there are very many other options to someone with the intent to cause damage. It thus really depends on individual ethics, since there are so many soft targets for those who wish to attack. I don’t see a way to stop it happening, either. We can only reduce the probability by ensuring that our kids have a good ethical basis and reducing entry of people with the wrong mindset.

  62. E.M.Smith says:

    @Simon:

    I was more responding to Larry’s immediately preceding comment with refs to DOD statements & estimates of casualties. Not my usual style but just a snide snark about citing “authority” and scale as argumentation points.

    War is about using all possible means to defeat your enemy. During their use, all things used as “weapons”, but that does not mean their fundamental nature is to be a weapon. A 757 is not a weapon by design, yet it can take down a skyscraper. A delivery truck is not a weapon by design, yet can mow down hundreds on a Paris street. IF you define things as weapons by the number they can kill and the fact they have been used, then the intent of the design is lost and everything becomes a weapon assigned so by warped definition. Untidy.

    Define each thing by the intent of the base function, then describe it as “used as a weapon” when taken outside that base function; then you can have an accurate picture of the world and the event. A 757 “used as a weapon” took down the building. A delivery van “used as a weapon” mowed down people. A drug “used as a weapon” killed folks. Tidy.

    That someone else was untidy in their use of mind is not evidence for the correctness of the point.

    It is an ongoing struggle to keep a tidy mind, and it must be strictly enforced, never loosened. The smallest bit of sloppy can later result in an entire gigantic edifice built on the flaw or error. Look at the CO2 as “green house gas” warming error and the result. The “freon causes ozone hole” error and the result. (When it is obvious from casual observation the ozone hole is dynamic and freon isn’t, but solar wind electrical flows are and match it…) The “assault weapon” lie about semi-automatic guns that look mean and the present ban on them in California. All a giant error from a sloppy definition. It is essential to always fight off sloppy definitions and corruption of meaning.

  63. Simon Derricutt says:

    EM – the tidy mind is a good thing to aim for. It can be difficult to achieve when there are certain things we’ve been told from knee-high that aren’t universally true but we believe they are. Until we’ve personally dug deep into the assumptions we tend to believe what seems to be consensus opinion. Until I started reading your work on climate change I accepted the common opinion that it was human-caused – after all, I’ve seen it change over my life and the only thing we generally hear is that it’s because there’s too much CO2. Until I did the sums, and got involved deeper, there wasn’t much reason to doubt the claims and it wasn’t a field I’d worked in.

    Sloppy work and hidden assumptions require work to overcome. The hardest things to overcome are the assumptions that are obviously true – that’s why I’ve been pointing out that the movement of heat from hotter to colder isn’t quite what it seems. I spent maybe a year on honing the definitions of work and energy, since the way they are used is often sloppy. For CoM, it’s also obvious (and was obvious to Newton) that the action and reaction are equal and opposite, but that isn’t strictly true. Generalising an observation that in all the situations we’ve observed that some property is always there is mostly useful and has lead to many advances, but saying it always must be true blocks off some thinking and the advances that can happen through it not being true in certain circumstances.

    I keep trying to get that tidy mind. Lots of benefits.

  64. E.M.Smith says:

    @P.G.:

    Fascinating video on the Coral Castle. It strongly “rings true”. Unlike all the mystical stuff, I can see how each of the things shown will and does work and is the minimal path to the function. That the guy then ties most of them to an old photo or movie and shows a modern reconstruction working is just great.

    I suppose it doesn’t hurt that I have an old car headlight rigged over my work bench and wired to my battery box location. (Was powered directly by the battery charger as I’d not bought the batteries yet when Gov. Grey “out” Davis was deposed… and the need ended.) Essentially I was building a 12 VDC “grid” in my garage and when a car headlight needed replacing, typically the low beam died but the high beam filament was fine, so I’d re-purpose it as general lighting. Can’t waste 1/2 light bulb ;-)

    I also made similar though very small DC motors as a kid playing with electricity. So all the parts are familiar to me; just much bigger in his case.

    Finally, the use of a “door” as cutter: There’s pretty good evidence of this being done from antiquity. Often with a hard abrasive sand as the cutting material. Even wood can cut stone with a hard sand abrasive in the slot…

    I really like the bootstrap of the tripods. Like bootstrapping a computer in some ways. Assembler program to load the boot compiler that compiles the production compiler that compiles the operating system that boots up… (Rarely done today as we use cross compilers now).

    It all fits.

  65. H.R. says:

    @E.M. Sounds like you watched your first Trump Rally. The Tampa rally last night was amazing! Huuuuge crowd really rocked the joint and there were a few thousand outside. They set up big screens and a sound system for those that couldn’t get in.

    My wife and I have tickets for his rally on Saturday, August 4th. I’m hoping CNN will be there. I will chant CNN SUCKS! with great enthusiasm.

    I suppose we’ll have to get in line by at least noon, if not well before noon, to have a chance at getting in.

  66. E.M.Smith says:

    @H.R.:

    First one in a while, but I watched several during the campaign. Even put up some postings pointing to places that were covering them (such as Right Side Media) when the YSM were not bothering or were just giving biased “Talking Head Snippets” or worse, showing it in the background while a stupid Talking Head talked over it trying to tell me what to think about it.

    @Another Ian:

    There is a risk of going too far the other way on the bee issue too. Yes, they are a managed resource, and yes, by aggressively expanding hive numbers colony collapse disorder is being kept in check, but something is causing more bee die off and more colonies to collapse. There is very good evidence that Neonics are part of the problem.

    It is just as wrong to say “Nevermind. There is no problem.” as it was to scream bloody murder and the end of bees.

  67. Larry Ledwick says:

    @Simon:

    I was more responding to Larry’s immediately preceding comment with refs to DOD statements & estimates of casualties. Not my usual style but just a snide snark about citing “authority” and scale as argumentation points.

    Hmmm interesting miscommunication here.

    I was directly responding to your comment:
    @Larry:

    There’s a big difference between “IS a chemical weapon” and “is a drug that could fund bad stuff” and “is a drug that might hurt folks if used badly”.

    The military reference was a direct answer to your comment above that it needed to be used as a weapon to be considered a weapon, to demonstrate that it “is in fact listed and considered a chemical weapon” by the military precisely because of its lethality and lack of any legitimate use in humans – which by the way also applies to ricin which you mentioned. They are classed as a chemical weapon because they are so incredibly toxic and so easily available and have no legitimate civil use outside tranquilizing rogue elephants – which the entire world wide demand could probably be satisfied with one kilo of the drug.

    They made a proactive declaration that they were to be considered an outlawed chemical weapon if ever used as such, and were per-emptively banned from use on the battle field due to that risk. That in turn would justify a very strong response if that were ever the case because of that predesignation.

    My discussion of “estimates of casualties” was to minimize the extreme unreasonable estimations stated in the article, not to advocate for those estimates. Although in laboratory conditions that amount could conceivably kill 2.1 billion, that was hyperbole like the climate folks use, and not legitimate, and not a realistic assessment of the risk. The risk if used as a mass casualty agent is still very high, but not even within a few orders of magnitude of that number due to practical limitations of actual field use. (the same applies to real war agents like Sarin and similar war agents, as in the real world they are no where near as dangerous as such extrapolations from theoretical lethal doses imply. It is simply impossible to get combat effective doses established in the field except under any but very special conditions and it is a transitory situation at best.

    I still don’t understand where this comment came from, as I never alluded to quantity in my comments (other than to poo poo the estimates of potential casualties).

    OK, so size matters then. Now we get to class ALL gasoline hauling trucks as WMDs…

    If used as a weapon, a gasoline truck is already defined as a WMD and considered as such by the law as would be any large toxic powder release such as the synthetic opiates.

    https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/wmd
    Title 18 U.S.C. §2332a defines weapons of mass destruction (WMD) as:

    Any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas, including the following: a bomb; grenade; rocket having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than four ounces; missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce; mine; or device similar to any of the previously described devices;
    Any weapons that is designed or intend to cause death or serious bodily injury through the release, dissemination, or impact of toxic or poisonous chemicals, or their precursors;
    Any weapon involving a disease organism; and
    Any weapon that is designed to release radiation or radioactivity at a level dangerous to human life.

    Define each thing by the intent of the base function, then describe it as “used as a weapon” when taken outside that base function; then you can have an accurate picture of the world and the event.

    The above is exactly what I did – (and what title 18 USC §2332a does) there is no legitimate use for these hyper toxic opioids in humans. Their “intended use” is and always has been to tranquilize very large dangerous animals.

    Any use in humans is illegal and destructive, and the Chinese and the Soviet Union openly supported use of dangerous drugs as a weapon against the advanced nations of the west for almost a century.
    There is no debate about that at all, it is well documented my multiple sources over many decades.

    I obviously hit a hot button but was simply making a rather ordinary observation that although the article was alarmist and over the top there is a legitimate risk and elements of valid concerns in what is mentions. I did not expect any reaction at all quite frankly to my comments since they were all simple observations of well known facts that have been in evidence for decades.

  68. E.M.Smith says:

    I am not disputing the use as a weapon.

    I am not disputing any particular “fact”.

    I’m talking about an important point of how to sort things in the mind and how to keep the language clean. A Tidy Mind.

    Anthrax is a bacteria. Anthrax is not a weapon. Specially prepared anthrax spores in a delivery system is anthrax “used as a weapon” and the fully assembled delivery system is a weapon.

    That kind of fine division is essential to avoid the crap like defining guns that LOOK LIKE assault rifles as BEING assault weapons. (Or defining a lawn mower as a WMD as it has more than 4 ounces of gasoline in it…)

    No amount of showing just how bad something can be once made into a weapons system can ever make that thing a “weapon”. It can only make it a component of a weapon. No amount of appeal to authority where the authority calls it a weapon (after being untidy of mind) can change that either. There is no authority higher than truth and careful inspection. The very fundamental of skepticism and real science. So yes, a “hot button” and entirely non-negotiable.

    Yes, it is a very powerful drug and easily weaponized. NO it is not a weapon. It is a drug that can be a component of a weapons system. Nothing more. Since shipping volume of drugs is a major problem, folks in the illegal drug trade would of course want the strongest possible regardless of approved use in people. So having it does not demonstrate intent to make a weapon system from it. Just as likely they want to sell a LOT of powdered sugar with a tiny bit of drug in it. Jumping to the conclusion the intent was a weapon is ignoring the realities of illegal drugs.

    It IS a drug, even if intended for elephants. It may be an “illegal drug” for human use, but that does not remove “drug” from what it is.

    As per confusion over what comment responds to whom:

    Two or three of you are tossing rocks at me. Clearly all your comments come this way. I’m tossing back, and in general tag things with a pointer back to the person via an @ tag. In two cases I did not. Those were a direct responses to Larry in the immediately proceeding comment to mine:

    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2018/07/26/w-o-o-d-26-july-2018/#comment-98246
    responding to:
    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2018/07/26/w-o-o-d-26-july-2018/#comment-98245

    And an earlier one to Jon K (the M-80 comment and my “flour” response):

    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2018/07/26/w-o-o-d-26-july-2018/#comment-98233
    to Jon k here:
    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2018/07/26/w-o-o-d-26-july-2018/#comment-98227

    Though some of the points would be directly applicable to other comments made as well.

    As to “size matters”:

    “Tan Chen-lin, to begin cultivating opium on a grand scale. ”

    “The combined casualties of the intentional pumping of powerful drugs into the US kills more US citizens each year than were killed in combat during the entire Vietnam war.”

    And other “evidence” offered is all about size, not about fundamental nature. Use of enough large scale opium turns it from a drug to a weapon by that reasoning (or why else have those statements?)

    Thus my snide remark about size. Size does not change the nature of a thing. Neither large use over many countries, nor small dose size. Salt is just a salt. Even if large doses kill and too little kills. It does not become a weapon due to size. It does become a toxic dose of an essential nutrient.

    In Summary:

    The way I class things is based on the fundamental properties of what they are, not what someone chooses to do with them “off label”. Additional properties or uses are flagged with qualifiers. So flour used in an explosive is NOT an explosive. It is a “Fuel Air bomb using flour”. Similarly carfentanil is a drug. A weapon made with it would be a {whatever delivery system} “weapon using the drug carfentanil “.

    It does not EVER depend on “appeal to authorities” as authority has been shown to regularly and reliably lie for effect, make stupid laws of untidy form, corrupt the language for effect, and generally be self serving by being “economical with the truth”. It is far better to not look to authority if you desire a tidy mind, but to work from first principles and internal self order.

    Similarly size of use or potency doesn’t matter. It leads to way too many contradictory things. Like salt being both essential and poison. Borax being a cleanser and a banned toxin.

    In short, the sloppy leads to the stupid and there is far too much stupid in the world. So it is, IMHO, sloppy to call carfentanil a “weapon”. I don’t know what collateral “stupid” would eventually come from doing that, but I’d expect it to come eventually. Calling it an easily weaponized drug would be accurate and less likely to lead to leaps off a cliff of conclusions…

    As to why I get non-negotiable on this:

    Look at the travesty of laws and their abuse that has come from just that kind of thing. Model rockets classed as WMDs if they have a bit too much fuel. A “spud gun” is technically a “Destructive Device” as it has a bore much much bigger than .50 caliber and uses fire as propulsion ( I’ve made them to shoot tennis balls over the dorms decades back. I *think* it was quasi legal then…) so a felony. In California, a BB gun is a “firearm”. An airplane found “guilty” of committing a crime and confiscated. Students being found guilty of rape for consensual sex (or even Assange being persecuted for “rape” when it was consensual sex and the condom broke – technically “rape” under Swedish law). In California, a magazine touching a bullet is a “Loaded Gun” even if no actual gun is present. Etc. etc. etc. into the thousands.

    It simply is something that can not be ignored and must be fought at every turn. Largely done by Authorities for their own benefit, so looking to them for guidance is clearly a mistake. To thyne own self be true, and keep a very tidy mind against all outside pressures.

  69. philjourdan says:

    You seek to keep a tidy mind. Oh if that were only the case with me! I married a legal beagle, and hence my mind wanders to the lawyer side (always looking for the angle). Case in point (and to throw more gas on this debate):

    Wright was arrested roughly a month later on a warrant from the Barnstable district court for assault with a dangerous weapon, state police confirmed to Fox News.

    So what did she do to warrant the charge?

    The man then claimed that the woman [Wright] repositioned her vehicle and hit his car with hers, the Times said, citing the police report. After this, the woman reportedly left the scene.

    So legally, a car is a weapon when used as such.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/01/massachusetts-woman-enraged-by-trump-bumper-sticker-intentionally-rammed-into-car-police-say.html

  70. philjourdan says:

    Tunnel Vision. That is the only explanation I can come up with.

    In my current position, all changes are peer reviewed (and I have long been an advocate for it). Not so much because we do not know what we are doing, but because we know what we MEAN to configure, but a slipped digit here or there goes unnoticed because we know what we meant. So it is up to our peers to check out what we write to make sure it is what we mean.

    I am seeing the same thing with media pundits (the rational ones, the others are hopelessly immersed in TAD). Take this article by John Yoo – http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/08/01/john-yoo-yes-trump-could-end-mueller-probe-right-now-but-may-not-want-to.html

    He walks right up to the answer, and falls smack on his face! The gist of the article is that Trump can fire (or have fired) Mueller, but he should not. And he even points out correctly that Sessions is NOT the one who can do it! And that is the very reason Trump tweeted at Sessions! After 3 years of reporting on the man, and half that as president, these reporters still do not get the man!

    His tweet was a dog whistle for the media! He again drew their attention to Mueller and Sessions to keep it focused on a big nothing burger! The trial is not going well for Mueller, and there are even rumblings that Manafort will beat the rap. But instead of stopping to see what Trump is doing with his other hand, they dutiful follow his tweets to the diversion! I am not sure what he is doing yet, but I know enough of the man to know it is a diversion! But even those who are not hostile to Trump still have not learned that lesson.

    It makes me sad that we do not have intelligent folks in the media. And that is why half the country is getting its news from the President directly. Even the objective press is clueless on the man.

    Tunnel vision.

  71. Larry Ledwick says:

    Here is an analysis of why over 100 thousand voters got dropped off the eligible voter list in LA.
    Seems more a case of poor operations not malicious intent.

    http://file.lacounty.gov/SDSInter/lac/1042885_FINALExecutiveSummaryAugust12018.pdf

  72. Another Ian says:

    For the gadgeteers

    “A handy looking wasp killing machine.” Link at

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2018/08/03/august-3-2018-reader-tips/

  73. jim2 says:

    So, now we know what’s killing off honey bee hives! (Since those aren’t wasps.)

  74. p.g.sharrow says:

    @Jim2
    I had the same thought. Those did not look or act like any wasps that I have seen.
    Also that is a strange looking “window” wonder what that is about? …pg

  75. philjourdan says:

    I always thought that Yellow jackets were hornets. But apparently not – https://www.orkin.com/stinging-pests/wasps/difference-wasps-hornets/

    Hornets are a subset of wasps. Generally nastier. But those were Yellow Jackets. If you watched until the end, he showed the carcasses on the ground. My experience is Yellow Jackets are the nastiest! I do not mind the paper wasps as they tend to be less aggressive and their sting not as painful at first (but they do form a knot).

  76. jim2 says:

    Yep, I didn’t watch it to the end. Those are not honey bees.

  77. jim2 says:

    It’s refreshing to see a Judge with some commendable legal principles. Ellis is brooking zero nonsense from Mueller’s team. I get the sense that if things don’t improve, the Judge could derail this entire thrust. That would be awesome.

    From the article:
    Judge Ellis, who was already standing by this point, advised Ayliff to wait and announced the court would recess early.

    After the jury left, Ellis took a few minutes to tell the press and public all about the bench conference. As it turns out, not only was Ayliff a non-noticed witness being asked to give the equivalent of expert testimony, but the prosecution and defense had already agreed on what the term “financial interest” meant. Moreover, this agreement was provided on a proposed–and approved–jury instruction.

    https://lawandcrime.com/awkward/judge-ellis-loses-all-patience-with-prosecutors-and-ends-court-early-over-major-screw-up/

  78. jim2 says:

    New York’s Cuomo is making progress to stamp out the NRA!

    Do you need another demonstration of how dangerous regulatory power can be when it’s weaponized by politicians? Look no further than New York Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo’s recent directive to financial regulators. Cuomo wants them to pressure private companies to break ties with the National Rifle Association (NRA). The “or else” is just a hair from being overt.

    https://reason.com/archives/2018/05/01/new-york-officials-weaponize-regulatory

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/nra-financial-trouble-706371/

  79. H.R. says:

    I’m headed out in about 2 hours to get in line for tonight’s Trump Rally. I am hoping that getting in line 6 hours before the doors open at 3:30pm is good enough to get in.

    The venue is about 3 miles from our house. The Mrs. and I cruised by yesterday at about 3:30pm to see if a line was forming. Nope, no line, but a crew was prepping extra parking in an unused area and one of the local news trucks was there getting ready to set up for the rally.

    I’m hoping Jim Acosta will be there so I can yell CNN SUCKS! with great enthusiasm. Oh, hell! I’ll still yell that whether or not he’s there. 😜

    This should be an interesting day.

  80. jim2 says:

    Here is a detailed schedule for the President. (His public schedule)

    https://factba.se/topic/calendar

  81. jim2 says:

    Should we help white South Africans move to the US? I think we should. I know a couple of families from there. Decent people.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/03/south_african_radical_white_farmers_should_leave_the_keys_when_they_go.html

  82. E.M.Smith says:

    South African white farmers will be extinct in a generation, one way or another. They can either leave or they will be killed by black racists.

    Were I an African farmer, I’d sell the farm to a Chinese Multinational Ag Corp for lots of money and give THEM the keys. They can then hire lots of black local labor and even a black manager and pretend it is an all black farm.

    @H.R.:

    A trip report would be nice ;-)

  83. Larry Ledwick says:

    There was a South African exchange student in high school, I often wonder what her situation is now. I did not know her well but she was a nice kid and everyone liked her.

    I personally think they should be given expedited immigration status if they want to come here.

    Lauren Southern is an up an coming independent journalist mostly on alternate media.

    short 16 min interview with Lauren

    https://laurensouthern.net/farmlands/ (Laurens final documentary)

  84. Larry Ledwick says:

    Portland protests going on today, lots of live feeds on twitter but if you search twitter for portland you apparently get mostly leftist propaganda down talking the prayer prosters.

    Some interesting pictures showing up. These are Antifa using expedient riot shields made out of poly drums cut in half.

    Man hit by a thrown bottle, as Police were trying to break things up with flash bang grenades

    Our colleague @edercampuzano is on his way to urgent care, bloodied, but OK. He was struck with a bottle as police fired flash bangs at counter-protesters. #alloutpdx #patriotprayer

    Nick Short Retweeted
    Portland Police
    @PortlandPolice
    42 minutes ago
    The sound truck has announced:

    There is a clear effort to paint the source of violence being from the prayer protest and proud boys but all the video coverage live streams I have seen has been the Antifa protestors initiating conflict.

    https://kdvr.com/2018/08/04/heavy-police-presence-as-right-wing-rally-begins-in-portland/

  85. E.M.Smith says:

    It would seem that the meaning of “Blackshirts” is lost on Antifa…

    Perhaps one ought to start shouting “Blackshirts!” at them…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackshirts

    The Milizia Volontaria per la Sicurezza Nazionale (MVSN, “Voluntary Militia for National Security”), commonly called the Blackshirts (Italian: Camicie Nere, CCNN, singular: Camicia Nera) or squadristi (singular: squadrista), was originally the paramilitary wing of the National Fascist Party and, after 1923, an all-volunteer militia of the Kingdom of Italy. Its members were distinguished by their black uniforms (modelled on those of the Arditi, Italy’s elite troops of World War I) and their loyalty to Benito Mussolini, the Duce (leader) of Fascism, to whom they swore an oath.

    Maybe I’ll look for where my gas mask has got off to… last time I saw it was about 15 years ago when I used it to get some sleep during a particularly horrible round of hay-fever / allergies. (Since then I bought a portable HEPA filter…)

    Motorcycle “Leathers” – Check.
    Motorcycle leather gloves – Check
    Cowboy Hat hard-hat – Check.
    Heavy boots. – Check.
    Cup – Check
    Gas Mask… gas mask… now where did I …

    Or maybe since the San Jose PD got their fingers slapped for doing nothing (suit in progress IIRC) it has been decided not to let Antifa riot here…

  86. E.M.Smith says:

    Clicking on their picture to “blow it up”, they actually have a read Hammer & Sickle on their helmets. Not even hiding their communist roots and affiliation.

  87. Larry Ledwick says:

    Nope, openly display Hammer & Sickle flags, I have seen a few in the pictures from today’s protest. They are openly Anarcho-communists. (apparently if you dig deep enough there are about 3 wings of Antifa and they use slightly different symbology.

    The black flags and symbols indicate pure anarchists, the red background flags for Anarcho-communists

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-communism
    https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/wayne-price-what-is-anarchist-communism

    They see themselves as “true communists” in the Marxist sense.

    Hmm where have we heard that sort of distinction without a difference before (democratic-socialists etc. love to slice and dice minor distictions to make it appear they are something wholesome when it is just the same thugs in different suits)

  88. Larry Ledwick says:

    On a slightly different subject this case might result in some very interesting Supreme court decisions in time.

    https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/08/02/illegal-alien-gang-member-fires-gun-on-sidewalk-claims-2nd-amendment-rights/

  89. Larry Ledwick says:

    Alternate variants of Antifa and related groups – There appears to be mostly common themes with minor variations of symbology based on specific philosophical issues separating the groups, although they are generally viewed as comrades in arms if gathered together for a common objective, they might have slightly different end game objectives.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism

    https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/de%7Dafa.html

    Some of them also use variations of the Three diagonal downward arrows symbol.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Arrows

  90. Larry Ledwick says:

    Looks like Portland’s Mayor is completely in the bag for the radical violent left.
    Not today’s street protest but good background that this is an on going issue of selective law enforcement.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/anarchy-breaks-out-in-portland-with-the-mayors-blessing-1533331454

    I wonder if President Trump and Home Land Security would mobilize a federal task force to come down on the protestors and the local officials that are refusing to enforce laws and maintain public safety.

  91. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larry:

    Quite a set you have going there!

    Portland will need a good “Come To Jesus” moment. Not sure who will provide it. Rural Oregon is quite conservative… I could see an in-State “Civil War” fairly easily…

    The “Three Arrows” stuff is interesting. I’d not been sensitized to it before, now I’ll watch for it.

    Not sure what the first comment “Nope” was noping…

    Illegals with 2nd amendment rights? That could go soooo… many ways.

    To whom does the constitution apply? I’s assert US Citizens (clearly) and those in the country under legal entry terms (arguably they were invited in to enjoy our protections) and then?… Hmmm… I’d like our liberties to be universal to anyone here; yet the notion of asserting all rights to folks who are criminally here is galling… Need a bit of a think, I think… What are the consequences when stretched out of all proportion…

  92. Larry Ledwick says:

    The “Nope” was in response to your Not even hiding their communist roots and affiliation.

    In theory they could find that 2nd amendment rights apply to anyone in the country, in which case, I would push for an amendment to the constitution that certain rights like right to vote and right to bear arms do not apply to those here illegally or “otherwise restricted by Federal law”, but as you say “it’s complicated” and could go sideways very easily with radical judges on the bench right now.
    It would also depend on an exhaustive search of the Federalist papers, Blacks Law and English common law practice (for example did England limit possession of the English long bow to subjects of the crown? I think they might have as it was a key factor in their military victories. Proficiency with the long bow was important enough to be the basis of the blue laws that encouraged practice archery skills.

    In a quick search I cannot find any specific restrictions against ownership by non-citizens but a deep historical search might turn up some grounds for a common law basis.

    (from the wiki)
    It was the difficulty in using the longbow that led various monarchs of England to issue instructions encouraging their ownership and practice, including the Assize of Arms of 1252 and Edward III of England’s declaration of 1363:

    Whereas the people of our realm, rich and poor alike, were accustomed formerly in their games to practice archery – whence by God’s help, it is well known that high honor and profit came to our realm, and no small advantage to ourselves in our warlike enterprises… that every man in the same country, if he be able-bodied, shall, upon holidays, make use, in his games, of bows and arrows… and so learn and practise archery. [25]

    If the people practiced archery, it would be that much easier for the king to recruit the proficient longbowmen he needed for his wars. Along with the improving ability of gunfire to penetrate plate armour, it was the long training needed by longbowmen that eventually led to their being replaced by musketeers.

    https://collections.royalarmouries.org/hundred-years-war/arms-and-armour/type/rac-narrative-1156.html
    Archery helped the English to victory at the Battles of Crécy (1346) and Poitiers (1356). After these victories, Edward III of England passed laws that required all men between the ages of 15 and 60 to own and practise with the bow.

  93. Larry Ledwick says:

    Apparently if it is considered a matter of immigration law, Congress (and the President) have nearly absolute control over those laws including restricting what would otherwise be considered constitutional protections.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2001/09/do_noncitizens_have_constitutional_rights.html

  94. Larry Ledwick says:

    This article would lead me to believe that case law makes the second amendment apply to all persons inside the US or under its jurisdiction but there would be no reason why as a matter of immigration law, undocumented aliens could be prohibited from possessing certain arms or it could be made a mandatory deportation finding if they are found in the possession of a fire arm.
    The other option is that they could posses them but must register that they have them (yes I know nose of the camel under the tent). As you observed earlier this could go many different ways. You could put caliber and capacity restrictions on undocumented aliens or any number of other restrictions such as being in possession of a fire arm while engaged in a criminal activity becomes an aggravating factor for illegal aliens.

    https://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1302

    Oh I think this nails is (if this law is not thrown out)

    https://wdfw.wa.gov/help/questions/118/What+are+the+firearms+possession+rules+for+non-U.S.+citizens%3F

  95. Larry Ledwick says:

    If Washington or any other state can pass such a restriction, (and it is upheld by the courts) than I see no reason that the Federal Government could not do the same ( or may also have the same sort of restrictions in place but I have just not found them yet)

    Title 18, USC Chapter 44, Section 922
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922#fn002071
    Looks like Federal law has several similar limitations (my eyes are glazing over trying to connect all the citations but it looks to me that as mentioned on the Federal Firearms purchase form, being an illegal alien makes you ineligible to possess a firearm.

    Of course that does not mean some activist judge might find otherwise.

  96. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting that this is not getting any discussion in the media thanks to all the misdirection of TDS.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/decade-after-war-putin-backed-borderization-costs-georgia-land-n892321

    Another example of small incremental invasion with each transgression below the threshold of a major response but over time that border creep will gobble up Georgia.

    It is almost like TDS is a Russian misdirection campaign so no one notices what they are doing in Georgia and Ukraine as they cannot get any air time due to all the other nonsense being covered.

  97. jim2 says:

    So, Rubio’s new bill will automatically sanction RUSSIANS if they meddle in our elections. What if China or the UK interfere with them? What an idiotic bill – just more grandstanding by an idiot – Little Rubio rides to the rescue!!!

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article194802884.html

  98. jim2 says:

    Now on Meet the (de)Press(ed), the panel is convoluting Trump voters with Moon-trip disbelievers and Area 51 alien fans. They did it in a very subtle way, but what with the mid-terms just around the corner, they are once again disparaging Trump supporters.

  99. E.M.Smith says:

    https://www.aim.org/don-irvine-blog/nbcs-meet-the-press-hits-21-year-ratings-low/

    NBC’s “Meet The Press” Hits 21-Year Ratings Low
    by Don Irvine on August 14, 2013

    The ratings woes that have plagued the Today show and to a lesser extent, the NBC Nightly News, have also hit one of NBC’s crown jewels, Meet The Press, after the longest-running show in television hit a 21-year ratings low recently.

    David GregoryAccording to the latest Nielsen ratings period, Meet The Press averaged a total audience of 2.913 million, with 854,000 falling into the all-important 25-54 demo. Those were both 21-year lows.

    So 2.9 million and dropping 5 years ago. About 3/4 of the San Francisco Bay Area…

    But they did a lot of work and managed to turn the drop around. Now:

    http://www.nbcuniversal.com/press-release/meet-press-chuck-todd-wins-january-across-board

    “MEET THE PRESS WITH CHUCK TODD” WINS JANUARY ACROSS THE BOARD
    Press Release
    January 30, 2018

    JANUARY 30, 2018 – “Meet the Press with Chuck Todd” (MTP) was the #1 most-watched Sunday show across the board for the month of January, according to Nielsen Media Research data, marking its second straight month at #1.

    3.858 million total viewers tuned into MTP in January, beating ABC’s “This Week” by +17 percent (+548,000) and CBS’ “Face the Nation” by five percent (+192,000). Year-over-year, MTP improved its advantage over ABC by +36 percent (+144,000) marking the show’s biggest January lead over ABC in five years. MTP holds its biggest January lead over CBS in six years. January is the second straight month that MTP is #1 in total viewers.

    So per their “Press Release” they got all the way up to 3.8 Million in one month. (Though it isn’t clear if that is a total including folks who tuned in just once during the month).

    So almost the whole San Francisco Bay Area…

    Just sayin’…

    The “reach” of their influence is,urm, “limited”…

  100. Larry Ledwick says:

    These little ice makers will be valuable assets for disaster response as well. (or big parties)

    https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2018/07/20/winter-is-coming-army-gets-closer-to-being-able-to-produce-ice-on-the-battlefield/

  101. philjourdan says:

    @EM & Larry – re: 2nd Amendment for illegals.

    What the proponents are arguing is that it would be illegal to deny an invading army their guns. The only difference between the illegals and a foreign government invading the US is the government. I do not see how illegals can claim rights under the constitution since they are not bound by it.

  102. philjourdan says:

    @jim2 – re: Moon trip and Trump supporters.

    Lewandowsky tried the same thing with AGW skeptics.

  103. jim2 says:

    Phil – the dimowits have been at this a long time. For a while, they stopped, but I think because the mid-terms are close and they are losing control.

  104. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larry:

    They never had refrigerators & freezers before? Sheesh… Every RV has one…

    Per Conflation / Insult:

    Yup. the Dimocrats (most Dim of the Democrats) love to do the insult and disparage thing. They are trained in the Alinsky Method. So it is very important to shove it right back in their face as soon as it is done. Just immediately call it out and reject it. This serves to put a rock in the sock and to educate the others watching. It also gives support and comfort to the Democrats who have not joined The Most Dim in this stupidity of insult fests.

    So things like saying “Are you really so rude as to think insults work?” or “Well that’s a great kindergarden insult behaviour.” or “Are you really so dim as to believe that?”… or just “I see you are practicing the Alinsky method of insult to the person and degrading speech.” if in polite company…

    Shine a great big bright light on rude and impolite behaviour and call it for what it is. Childish insults and crude potty mouth.

  105. jim2 says:

    The left-wing media will get more and more bizarre as we approach the mid-terms. I predict we will see behavior that tops CNN’s Matthews’ “thrill up my leg” and the total melt-down-tears-psychotic-break we saw when Trump was elected to an array of failed predictions of doom after he was elected, like

    In 2008 Paul Krugman won the Nobel Prize in economics. Isn’t it time he gets another?

    Remember what he said way back on Election Day? Quote, “It really does now look like President Donald J. Trump. And markets are plunging. When might we expect them to recover? A first-pass answer is never.”

    Here are some more:

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/01/the-lefts-2017-trump-predictions-an-array-of-calamities-that-never-happened/

    As far as polls go, my wife and I never take a telephone poll. I’ve been thinking lately that might be misguided on our part. What we should do is take the poll, but tell the pollster we believe all first graders should be given trans-gender surgery whether they want it or not, that it should be mandatory that an illegal immigrants be elected to all local political offices, that the Federal government should pay for all healthcare and give all second graders abortions whether they want them or not, that the military should go house to house breaking down doors and confiscating guns of all kinds, including pellet, BB, and water guns. I’m sure I can think of a few more things.

  106. Larry Ledwick says:

    Alex I will take unconscionable contract for $2 billion please.

    California Judge allows law suit of Twitter to progress saying their policies may constitute an unconscionable contract, and false advertising about being a free speech platform.

    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/06/18/california-judge-rules-twitter-can-be-sued-for-falsely-advertising-free-speech/

  107. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larry:

    Couldn’t happen to a better guy / company…

    @Jiim2:

    Don’t go too far over the top or they will figure you are a loon and ignore you…

  108. Another Ian says:

    More gadgets in the two most recent Readers Tips at http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/

    An older mouse trap and a diy snake trap

  109. H.R. says:

    OK. I’m turning in my homework, E.M. 😜

    Here’s a report on the rally in Lewis Center, Oh on Saturday, August 4th. I’ve cross-posted it here from the Conservative Treehouse because they will like it for different reasons and I’ll get quite different questions and comments here from the more technical and logical denizens of this blog. Then again, maybe not.
    ——————————————
    Rally Report #1 of 4: The Line

    The rally was moved from a Delaware County Fairgrounds Arena to a Lewis Center, OH H.S. gym just two days before the rally. Mrs. H.R. and I arrived ‘late’ at the H.S. just before 10:00 am, expecting to maybe/maybe not be in line early enough to get in the venue for the 3:30 pm opening of the doors. Surprise! We pretty much had our choice of parking spots up near the doors. Surprise! There was only roughly 100-plus ahead of us. It was 10:30 – 11:00 am before there were roughly 100-ish people behind us.

    Now, the line was formed in the curved, student pickup/dropoff lane in front of the school. They had cones and tape zigzagging back and forth to form 3 lanes in that pickup zone. I did some rough estimating and figured that the driveway would hold about 3,000 people with decent personal space for all once the folding chairs were gone.

    About 11:30 am, the first lane was finally filled and a little after noon, the returning lane was visibly filling up. What’s with that?!? That wasn’t very many people considering how close we were were to Doors Open time.The lady next to me had three chairs but was sitting alone. It was because her son was a student there at the H.S. and football practice was going on as scheduled. She didn’t know for certain, but from events she attended to see her son, she thought the gym held about 2,000 people. Her husband was hanging out with her son at practice and they finally showed up at about noon with a cooler of drinks and some sandwiches. Not looking good for a big turnout.

    Our guess was that with the last-minute change of venue to the H.S., people might have gone to the wrong place and/or figured they’d never get in to a venue that held 2,000-3,000 people. By about 1:00 pm, though, all the lanes were full and there was some overflow at the end of the line. So it looked like there would be at least a full house after all.

    There were three young men in line wearing ‘Q’ t-shirts and I visited with them for a bit. They had driven over from Indiana, about a 3-hour drive. A lot of people dropped by to speak with them. I assumed they were being asked questions and maybe being given some support. Really nice guys and I think they got a little more reaction to their ‘Q’ t-shirts than they were expecting, but that’s just a guess on my part.

    It got up over 90 degrees and was hotter than that since were were on a blacktop lane. Fortunately, there were some nice large clouds that periodically blocked the sun and there was a decent breeze that was blowing much of the time, so the long wait in line was survivable.

    EMTs were patrolling the lines looking for people that might be showing signs of heat-related problems. My wife stepped out of line for a bit to stand under the shade of a small tree. Three EMTs were there in seconds to check if she was OK. Delaware County was really prepared and on the ball.

    Oh… lots of Sheriff’s deputies and Ohio Highway Patrol were on hand so there wasn’t even a remote chance that there would be any confrontations or harassment. The Secret Service also regularly patrolled the lines with a couple of sheets of photos of people they did not want to be there. I’m guessing it was photos of people who had made threats against the President or were on their list of violent protesters.

    I did note a lone buzzard circling above the gathering at about 10:30 am. At about 2:00 pm I noticed that there were 7 buzzards circling above. I advised my wife to ‘keep moving.’ 😜 If ever there was a day the buzzards were going to get lucky, Saturday would have been the day.

    They opened the doors about 30-40 minutes early since everything inside was ready and they wanted to get people inside and out of the heat.

  110. H.R. says:

    Rally Report #2 of 4: Inside with 4 Hours to kill

    We got in early and of course no one knew that the President would be late, thus the 4 hours. The volunteers were filling in the bleachers starting with the front section on the left and going from bottom to top. There was an ADA section starting in the second section back and the lower 3 rows were marked off.

    My wife had a stroke in 2008 and is still unsteady, particularly on stairs. She asked about sitting in the ADA section and they said OK, but not me. So my wife said no thanks and started up the stairs. When my wife was at about the third row up, two of the volunteers saw she wasn’t going to make it to the top, where they were filling in, without something bad happening. The volunteers rushed over to her and insisted that she sit in the ADA section and yes, it would be OK if I sat with her.

    You did have one choice. If you wanted to be on the floor in front of the podium, you were free to do so. Many of the first people in went straight to the barrier in front of the podium. and for the longest time, the floor had only about 4-5 rows of people who wanted to stand (for hours!) so they’d be right up front. The volunteers continued to fill the bleachers front to back, bottom to top, so there would be no chaos, milling about, and gaps in seating. Every seat needed to be filled and it was a very orderly process. It took about 2.5 hours to fill the gym as there were only 3 (4?) metal detectors for attendees to go through. I was wondering if too many people had given up on attending without even trying, since the gym was slow to fill, but no… a steady stream kept coming in and eventually the the venue, including the floor, was chock full. There was not an empty spot anywhere.

    As each section filled up, front to rear, volunteers came around with the campaign signs you see in videos of the rallies. At first they were sprinkling the signs around so there was a good distribution and they were making sure that the same signs weren’t too close together. My wife and I didn’t get signs. Ah well. But as the venue filled, the volunteers kept coming around with more signs and then more signs until everybody in attendance got any or all of the half-dozen or so different signs that they wanted. I didn’t see anyone without at least one sign, though I’m sure there were a handful that couldn’t deal with a sign (disability of some sort). It turns out that the extra signs made great fans to help with the heat.

    I only wanted the ‘Promises Made, Promises Kept’ and the ‘Drain The Swamp’ signs and my wife only wanted a pink ‘Women For Trump sign.’ I put mine back to back so I could flip them when the appropriate theme was being talked about.

    A note on the seating in the bleachers behind the podium: It appeared to me that about 50% of the people seated on those bleachers were invited and selected by the Balderson Campaign with a few more that were invited by the Trump Campaign. The rest were selected from the attendees for optics.

    For example, there were two Airborne Vets seated that I believe were invitees, though I can’t say which campaign invited them. Their maroon berets are easy to spot just to the left of the President when the cameras are zoomed out just a bit. As an example of choices from the general audience, there were three men wearing Deere green hats with yellow ‘Make Farmers Great Again’ written on the hats. There weren’t many of those hats worn to the event, so they were selected to get some air time for the farmers.

    Anyhow, once the invitees were seated, it was interesting to see a volunteer going past us leading someone or some small group to the bleachers. Those people were so excited! Better’n being selected to “Come on Down!” for the Price is Right!

    While the venue was filling, Dewine, Renacci, Jordan, and a few others running for state offices worked the crowd as any politician in his right mind would do.

    It was so brutally hot inside (it was cooler outside at 90 degrees!) that some chants got started, but did not get a lot of mileage due to the heat.

    Final notes on the waiting hours: The volunteers from the Balderson and Trump campaigns were fantastic! They were helpful, professional, and kept things organized and running smoothly. The heat made things difficult but they remained cheerful throughout and kept actively looking for ways to help attendees and make things easy for everyone.

    The EMTs were plentiful and alert. They stayed out of the way and kept their eyes peeled for people who were showing the first signs of any health problem and then BAM! They were right there to help. They were needed more than usual at this event and they kept their aid very low key so as not to allow their ministrations to disrupt the event.

    Security was fantastic as well. The Secret Service and Sheriff’s Deputies were moving around and were watchful, yet unobtrusive.

  111. H.R. says:

    Rally Report #3 of 4: The Rally Proper

    It started on time with the Balderson portion. There was a brief introduction, and then there was a prayer, the Pledge of Allegiance, and the Singing of the National Anthem.

    The prayer was more of a campaign speech (with statistics included, no less!). The Pastor finally did get in a request for God’s protection, blessings, and favor for Troy Balderson and President Trump. I found it rather jarring to hear cheers for some of the statistics given during the prayer. It is not what I am accustomed to.

    The Pledge of Allegiance hit me like an emotional sledgehammer. I could barely recite along from the emotion that overwhelmed me. Even now, as I write this, I am tearing up and my heart is trembling.

    It has been so long, 45 years I’ll bet, since I have been with a group of Americans who recited the Pledge with such sincerity and conviction. I’m guessing the last time was at my High School Graduation, and I didn’t appreciate then , couldn’t have known then, how far Americans would be intentionally lead away from a simple, honest love of Country. Evil people have been working hard for years to destroy our country. Damn them all!

    (Whew! It took me a while to write that. Had to stop several times. That moment had a powerful effect on me and still does. I am not an emotional guy but the Pledge moment got to me.)

    Troy Balderson had some good speakers that got the crowd fired up for him and he gave a fine campaign speech himself, concentrating on how he would specifically support President Trump. My wife and I applauded and shouted approval, but it was hard for us to get too charged up because we had already voted for Troy on the Friday a week before the rally. However, we did our best to contribute to the enthusiasm for the benefit of those who have yet to vote.

    The Troy Balderson portion of the rally wrapped up at about 6:25 pm, right on time for President Trump, but……. no President Trump!

    Oh, amusing aside; After the Balderson portion of the rally was done, a Secret Service(?) guy came out and affixed a Presidential Seal to the podium. He got a really big cheer and lots of applause for that. It was just like the typical reaction when a stage hand tries to stay low and dart out on stage to fix a cable or microphone (be casual, be cool), but in this case it was a reminder that President Trump would be next up.

    My sister in Florida was watching the rally on Fox, and texted us at 6:35 or so that President Trump had just landed in Columbus, so we knew it would be just a bit before President Trump would arrive. We all amused ourselves with some Drain The Swamp. CNN Sucks, and USA chants, but by then it was over 100 degrees inside and it was a little hard to keep the whole-hearted participation going for long. Oddly, no one from either campaign came out to explain that the President was running late and give an estimated time of arrival.

    At a little after 7:00 pm, a tremendous shout and thunderous cheering broke out. I wrote about it here.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/08/04/president-trump-meets-and-surprises-jim-jordan-in-ohio/comment-page-2/#comment-5742423

    When President Trump did arrive and walked out, as FL_Guy and others have written about, the roar was deafening, unbelievable and especially so since it was a gymnasium and not a higher-ceiling arena. It definitely is something you have to experience at least once in your life. Amazing!

    Now I’m not going to comment on the contents of the speech. There are enough clips of the good parts and many have watched the whole rally. What I will note is that it really is totally different to see and hear President Trump in person.

    That orange skin and the white eyes? Barely there to the audience. I could only conclude that he really needs some makeup to look pretty much normal under the lights. Also, his repetition of phrases that sticks out on video goes unnoticed when you’re there in person, because he is talking to YOU. That really struck me as odd because I noticed the repetition was missing, or so I thought. But then afterwards, I realized that it is just like sitting with anyone and listing to them talk to you. When you are there you get no sense at all that he is talking AT you or delivering a speech. President Trump is just telling you about his observations, plans, accomplishments, policies set and policies to come, and what he thinks about various issues. I watched the rally today (Sunday, as I am writing this) and it is totally different from being there and hearing President Trump in person.

    His comment about the heat at the rally was hard to appreciate by those just watching at home. I couldn’t see it live, but when I watched the video, President Trumps face was dripping with sweat. I think he was surprised that we were sticking it out because it really was brutal in there. I was impressed that HE stuck it out and spoke for his usual full hour.

    A few people did leave, but I did notice that it was people with children and a few that were most likely in their upper 70s or 80s. It wasn’t that many but they really did need to get out and cool down. My wife commented as we headed out of the gym that she thought that she only had about 15 minutes left and then she was going to have to get out or go down.

    The other thing that I noticed, and it has been mentioned here on CTH many times, is that President Trump draws energy and encouragement from the rallies. He has his plans, but the support and love he gets from a rally are really a tonic for him. President Trump doesn’t look spent at the end of his speech. He looks happy, appreciative of the support, and most importantly, he looks determined to continue to keep his promises. The rallies are a shot in the arm to him.

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  113. H.R. says:

    Rally Report #4 of 4: Thoughts and Notes Afterwards

    No protesters! What a disappointment. There was an area outdoors set aside for that and there may have been a few protesters, but we didn’t see or hear any. No protesters inside the gym. I think they are wussies and couldn’t take the hot weather. Also, we haven’t seen any clips of protesters at the rally and you know how the YSM loves to show the protesters and not show the lines waiting to get into a rally.

    Attendance in the venue… I counted rows and columns of bleacher seats and came up with 1,980 seats plus an estimate of four to five hundred on the floor and in the bleachers behind the podium. So my estimate of attendance was 2,500 plus/minus.

    As we were walking out, my wife said that attending a Trump Rally was a bucket list item. I hadn’t thought of it that way, but she is right. It is one of those things that you can’t read about. You have to experience it and it is like no other political event you will ever attend.

    When leaving, there were two deputies off to the side and I stopped to ask them if everyone made it inside or if there were people shut out who had to watch on the big screen they had set up outside. One of them said, get this, “There was a huge crowd that watched;” not nice-sized or a large crowd but he used the word ‘huge.’ From that, and knowing the viewing area, I took it that there were another 1,000 to 2,000 that didn’t get into the rally proper.

    My sister texted us that she spotted us in the crowd on the Fox feed. Yesterday (Sunday) my wife went through the video and we were plainly visible in several shots where they zoomed back and panned a little to the side. Our seats were about 30-ish feet from the podium (just beyond 3-point range now that I think about it) so when they panned, we got picked up.

    Last I absolutely must give a shout out to the Balderson and Trump campaign volunteers and staff, the EMTs, the Secret Service (watchful AND helpful as I had a few questions for them while in line), and the Delaware County Sheriff’s Deputies and other LEOs. They were all courteous, professional, and displayed uncommon common sense dealing with the little wrinkles that came up, all making it possible on a difficult day for the rally goers to just enjoy what we all came for; the RALLY!

  114. E.M.Smith says:

    @H.R.:

    Wow, that’s a whole lot more “report” than I’d expected!

    Was there any reason given for the change of venue? I presume the original center had A/C?

    I grew up in “110 in the shade and there ain’t no shade” so I know all the “tricks” to survive it (including a habitual ‘relax every single muscle if you are not using it Right Now!’); but even then, being inside a gym at 100 F or so with all the added human humidity is rough… I could do it, but I’d not be happy about it…

    OK, you’ve convinced me that I need to start paying attention to the rallies and try to find a time one is somewhere near me. I figure I’ve got a couple more years to set it up ;-)

  115. p.g.sharrow says:

    @H.R.; You Are Hired!
    great report, Better then any of the talking heads “Flavor” telecasts.
    Thank you …pg

  116. H.R. says:

    @E.M. The gym was air-conditioned. It was just overwhelmed by the number of people and the heat outside. President Trump knows HVAC and commented on the heat and design of the system.

    The A/C units take ambient air (93 degrees Saturday afternoon) and cool the air a certain amount, usually between 20 and 25 degrees (most of you know that but it may be news to some). So you take 93 degree air cooled to 73 degree air pumped into a gym that has never seen that many people, stage, and camera lights and the A/C system is going to lose every time.

    Also, it was designed for Fall through Spring and I doubt if the largest attendance number in that gym ever reached 2,000. I’d guess they are more concerned with heat in that gym rather than cooling.

    My understanding was the one arena booked at the county fairgrounds (of the 3 arenas available there) had a capacity of 1,500 – 1,800. Some scrambling turned up the Olentangy Orange H.S. which could go about 2,500 plus/minus. We got an e-mail Thursday that the venue was changed. I actually sent some time verifying the change because I wouldn’t put it past PDJT’s oonents to send out a fake notice to screw things up.

    The county fairgrounds are 12 miles from us and the H.S. is about 3 miles from us, so we were going either way.

    Normally, a political event like that would be booked into the Celeste Center (used for concerts and conventions) on the Ohio State fairgrounds. Plenty of parking and that building handles about 10,000 -12,000 people. But the Ohio State Fair was running last week so the Balderson and Trump campaigns had to scramble to get much of anything. The special election for Congress that Balderson is running for is being held tomorrow, the 7th, so they couldn’t juggle dates to get a more suitable venue.
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    .

    Hey! It just occurred to me that by 2020, you should be in Florida and President Trump will probably hold half a dozen or more rallies in Florida just as he did in the 2016 race. You should have a great shot at getting into a rally and I can’t urge you strongly enough to make an effort to go.

    There is much to observe and analyze before, during and after, but you will never experience the… searching… searching… emotional (but that’s not the exact word I want)… human outpouring (there it is!) that occurs at a rally. I’ve not been to the 7th game of the NBA Championship, but I honestly believe a Trump Rally would surpass that experience.

  117. Larry Ledwick says:

    Another large hail day in Colorado, Cheyenne Mountain Zoo in Colorado Springs and Ft. Carson have been hit by baseball sized hail. 8 people transported to hospital for hail trauma injuries, lots of damaged cars on Ft. Carson. A bunch of GI’s are going to be dealing with smashed windows and body damage.

  118. H.R. says:

    @p.g.: If you liked that, you should see how I write when I’m sober……… oh…. wait…. I shouldn’t have said that.
    😜

    (Thanks, p.g.)

  119. E.M.Smith says:

    @H.R.:

    I’m planning that when in Florida longer term, I’m going to visit Mira Lago (or as close as I can get) and just absorb the ambiance ;-)

    Maybe I’ll have my MAGA Cowboy Hard Hats printed by then ;-)

    Per Trump Rallies:

    I have a lot of options. In about 4 or 5 months, the spouse retires and then I’m “Free to move about the country”… and she can have Doggy Doorman and Doggy Butler duties ;-)

    As The Kid is in Chicago and I’ve got a box or two to deliver to him, I’m figuring on a Chicago trip sometime in November or December, and then a turn down to Florida to scout out options. That Triangle covers a LOT of turf…

    So just a question of where and when.

    Then once A Place is picked, there will be a few more “Triangular Trips” covering most of the country as people, pets, stuff, and cars get distributed around.

    Oh, and The Spouse wants to do an East Coast Monuments tour. So “sometime” we plan to rent an RV and do the Appalachia to DC run (and if I time it right, up into New England for fall color…) while we figure out if an RV really works for the 2 of us and 2 small dogs…

    So the next couple of years will most likely be having me traveling more than I have since I was on the road working for a living…

    BTW, a nice but not worth mentioning the name of it (“Jellybean Vineyards”) Sauvinon Blanc on board ATM… My French II teacher told us to get 1/2 snockered if we wanted to “nasalize” properly and speak better French. He was very right. Seems “inhibitions” reduce the ability to speak a foreign language and to write fluidly… Probably why so many writers “have a drinking problem”. Me? I don’t have a drinking problem. I get it swallowed every glass… right up until suddenly it’s the next day and the dog is licking my face ;-)

    @Larry:

    So you are saying to bring my Cowboy Hard Hat to Colorado with me, eh? O.K….

    (Note to self: Drive cheapest car with chipped windshield to Colorado in summer…)

  120. H.R. says:

    @Larry: Neato pictures of the hail!

    The structure of that XXL hail is very interesting to me. The pea-sized stuff we get around here is half-melted round mush anyhow, so I never realized the shape that hail takes on as it is held aloft to reach some size. I’m still puzzling over the aerodynamics that form that shape.

  121. Larry Ledwick says:

    Yes it is just an agglomeration of smaller stones that in super cooled conditions freeze together as they collide high in the cloud, then get cemented a bit due to build up from super cooled water droplets that freeze on contact.

    A falling rain drop actually does not look like the classic rain drop shape but is sort of a quivering red blood cell like shape that is a flattened sphere, much like those accreted globs of hail.

  122. Larry Ledwick says:

    EM – at least watch the sky and respect severe thunderstorm warnings. Large hail is mostly a creature of the plains east of the metro complex but we do occasionally get large hail in close to the mountains (Cheyenne Mtn. Zoo is literally on the flank of Cheyenne Mountain south west of Colorado Springs.

    On a different topic:
    An interesting view on the recent dynamics of the progressive leftist mobs and what they might actually be doing.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1026584256301002753.html

  123. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larry L:

    Yes, a “lets you and him fight” has been a strategy for a long time. The Race Baiting. The name calling. On and on.

    What they MISS entirely is folks like me who have a few very black friends and see them as INDIVIDUALS, not as a token. My Black Motorcycle Buddy was a Sgt. in the Air Force if I recall his rank correctly. I think of him as a Sgt., a really good Microsoft Engineer / tech, a good drinking buddy, and a motorcycle rider in roughly that order. Somewhere way down the line is “black guy”, but even that is behind “Married to a Philippina with beautiful mixed race kids”.

    Can anything make me let go of that personal experience? Nope. Not a thing. It is fixed in memory and a done deal.

    Similarly set is when I was about 3 and “fell for” an “older black woman”. She was about 4 and running in their back yard. Nearly blue black hair braided and glistening in the sun. Just stunning. Even to a kid who was working on walking fast and climbing into and out of the ’56 Chevy front seats. One of my earliest memories and one that will never leave. She was just so athletic and I was just so not…

    Life is made of a million of those kinds of vignettes. No amount of propaganda or “news” can change those personal experiences.

    More recently, about 20 years ago I got a “thing” for Halle Berry. (Yeah, right, me and 500 Million other guys…) I know I’ll never even get to say “Hello” to her. But the reality is that I’m smitten with her. (That Bond scene as she exits the sea…then later, Cat Woman… )

    Again, nothing will ever change that. (And I accept that nothing will ever come of it).

    Now just how on God’s earth can I ever feel some kind of “racism” toward someone who could wrap me around their little finger with a look and a word?

    THAT is what they are up against.

  124. jim2 says:

    So, EM. What do you think of the (main character) black women in The Expanse? I thought she was pretty hot.

  125. Larry Ledwick says:

    Another hail damage picture from Colorado Springs.

    I don’t think that will buff right out.

  126. Larry Ledwick says:

    Not sure this will play here, but a GOES satellite sequence of the storm development in Southern Colorado today which produced the large hail.

    (good example of the enormous area shaded by a large thunder storm cloud as the anvil cloud extends across several states.)

  127. E.M.Smith says:

    @Jim2:

    I decline to answer as I’m not sure my spouse does not read my blog… ;-)

    But… I did find several reasons to watch The Expanse…

    @Larry:

    So…. you are saying I ought to make a note to “use rental car in Colorado in Summer”…

  128. E.M.Smith says:

    @Jim2;

    I presume you were talking about:
    http://www.dominiquetipper.com/

  129. ossqss says:

    No mention of this on the MSN? Props to Pointman.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/freedom_moates/status/1025903686646677506

  130. p.g.sharrow says:

    Something is happening below, Kilauea has stopped deflating, earthquake activity is greatly reduced in the area, Fissure 8 has quieted and the flow from it has greatly decreased, The Puʻu ʻŌʻō plume has greatly increased, Puʻu ʻŌʻō is the vent about in the middle of the East Rift where you see the white smudge. After a series of #4 strength quakes this vent that is on the northside of the rift began venting steam and SO2, fissure #8 is on the southside of the rift. The Rift fill material is about 2 miles thick in the vicinity of Fissure #8. It appears that Kilauea is shifting gears…pg

  131. philjourdan says:

    I>”More recently, about 20 years ago I got a “thing” for Halle Berry. (Yeah, right, me and 500 Million other guys…)”

    I was more of a Vanessa Williams devote’.

  132. cdquarles says:

    Nice report, H. R.
    I suspect part of the problem was that the venue was a gymnasium, instead of an auditorium or a sports arena. I’ve noticed that the AC for venues designed for them are very strong. So strong that you’re cold if you get there before the crowd. Once filled, they’re comfortable because they’re handling the 50W each human puts out plus the 4% carbon dioxide and 10% water they exhale.

    Born and raised the the South. Raised without AC. Houses had high ceilings just so you could stay comfortable inside with just fans. Flip side was heating, especially on cold winter days. Even today, heating costs are higher than cooling costs, especially if it is much colder than the 55/35 average during the coldest parts of the year (2 weeks either side of Jan 21). Given the highly variable weather we get in winter, those 70/50 days were quite welcome compared to 30/15 days.

    @ EM, The Shenandoah Valley is lovely in October, though I understand it if you want to go further north.

    @ H. R., about the hail, that comes from the turbulent up and down drafts the hail forms in, with repeated trips where it melts and freezes until it finally falls. It generally doesn’t get that large here. 1/2 to 1 inch is the largest I’ve seen. Hail associated with isolated rotating super cells tends to be larger. It is not unusual for such to have tornadoes attached to them.

  133. Larry Ledwick says:

    Basic but accurate article on hail from the Denver post, has a nice chart of the updraft speeds required to carry hail of various sizes.

    https://www.denverpost.com/2018/08/07/what-causes-hail/

    In fairness this has been a highly unusual summer for large hail here in Colorado, There have been more gigantic hail storms in just the last month or so than I have seen in nearly 70 years of living her. This is perhaps a signature of a general cooling of the atmosphere (lower freezing level) and increases in summer humidity.

    When I was storm chasing back in the last 1980’s and early 1990’s we only had a couple of these storms in an entire season and then only during a very energetic thunderstorm summer.

    We are probably seeing a general shift in weather patterns as storms like these typically would happen out in western Kansas, and Oklahoma and into northern Texas. This year we are getting dew points and humidity that is higher than usual, normally a dew point of 55 deg F was what I considered a really high energy day back in the 1990’s this summer we have dew points up in the low sixties, and instead of max storm radar returns of 60 DBz some of these storms are getting up into the high 60;s and low 70’s for their core radar returns.

    It is only 10:23 in the morning and my local dew point is 52.3 deg F, which with just a bit more heating (currently only in the low 70’s) storms could go big. The high today is only forecast to be 81 deg F – early August high temps should be 5-8 degrees higher this time of year.

  134. E.M.Smith says:

    Wonder if you are close enough to The Gulf…

    The Gulf Stream is slowing down (confirmed) and this results in a dryer hotter UK / EU during summer and colder frozen in winter. It also has the heat back up in the Gulf itself, so Florida gets a more “summer like” pattern year round (thunderstorms, warmth) shown in historical lake pollens. That added warm & wet might be putting more humidity into anyone getting air off the Gulf… Does it reach to Denver?

  135. Larry Ledwick says:

    Peter Fonda steps in it again – looks like an open and documented case of conspiracy to me, even if he claims someone else needs to organize it so he does not get arrested. He is actively trying to encourage illegal behavior to serve a political agenda.

    Good plan like all leftist leaders let the peons get burned doing your dirty work.
    As long as you have enough useful idiots to pull it off you can sit on your high horse and pretend you are ethical and a true patriot when you are trying to destroy the fabric of our culture and government.

    https://ilovemyfreedom.org/wow-peter-fonda-calls-for-deliberate-voter-fraud-in-order-to-stop-trump/

  136. jim2 says:

    I feel a sense of urgency over the state of the Union and even a bit of anxiety from time to time. I do follow political news and got the impression that most people in the country were also interested in politics.

    However, in the much touted Ohio special election, only about 2% of the people there bothered to vote. Color me perplexed.

  137. H.R. says:

    @jim2: 1st, a little background. (Discussion of 2% follows)

    Ohio has partisan primaries. You must declare yourself (R) or (D) to vote in the primaries. You are automatically independent (I) if you aren’t registered (R) or (D) and if you wish to remain (I) you can’t vote in the primaries.

    You can just walk in and vote in the primaries but you are only offered an (R) or (D) ballot and your party registration is then associated with the ballot you choose. Just voting in a primary automatically registers you as an (R) or (D). You can register as an (I) with your Board of Elections, but then you have to sit out the primaries if you wish to remain (I)

    Other parties can put their candidates on the general election ballot by petitions with enough signatures to show they are a ‘viable’ candidate. Last resort is a strong write-in campaign. The Ohio system is strongly a two-party system and designed to shut out candidates who are not (R) or (D).
    .
    ………………………………
    Addressing your puzzlement about a 2% turnout

    Ohio voters don’t turn out much for the primaries as they generally accept the parties’ choice and then vote for their party in the General. Add in the fact that there are a lot of (I)s who are used to sitting out primaries and ‘off’ elections have low turnout. It’s a long-established mind-set fostered by the two parties.

    The Special Election yesterday involved only 5 counties and was perceived by many as an ‘off’ election, so that 2% sounds like the percentage of registered voters in the entire state, but the other 83 counties weren’t eligible to vote.

    I just did a quick calculation of the number of registered voters eligible to vote in the Special Election (informed guess as I roughly know the populations of the 5 counties) and figure it was about 1.2 million people eligible to vote. Quite a few of those never vote in any election, but they are eligible so I included them.

    There was a smidgen over 200,000 votes cast, so use those two numbers and you get roughly 17%, which is still a poor turnout, but with the background info above, is not bad for an ‘off’ election. No doubt, many eligible voters just blissfully buzzed along thinking it’s ‘just another primary’ and they’d just accept the results of the vote.

    I may have missed one, but this is the only Special Election for a congressional seat in my district that I can recall, so my opinion that voters were tuned out for the traditional reason is probably valid. That doesn’t excuse voter apathy, but helps explain it.

    BTW, the wife and I voted for Balderson about a week and a half before yesterday’s election.
    ———————

    Here’s a sub-topic for the brain trust reading here.

    I believe that both parties, the Right and Left wings of the Uniparty, aka (R)s and (D)s, have been actively working to increase voter apathy. That way, the power struggle comes down to a loyal party base and to hell with the rest of the population.

    Both parties have been bought off by the GEBs, hence there is really only a Uniparty, but there is a power struggle between the Left and Right wings of the Uniparty because the winner gets more loot and power. 2nd Place still has a lot of power because the price of their vote went up as they are needed to pass some legislation or other by the majority party.

    In elections, you’re just voting for which individual politician will get the loot, but the GEB agenda will be advanced regardless of who is receiving the loot.

    Anybody seeing a similar picture?

  138. Larry Ledwick says:

    Nationwide precipitation summary for the first half of the year:
    https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/news/national-climate-201807

  139. E.M.Smith says:

    @H.R.:

    Yes. Me and a large part of the Independents and Libertarians, along with a small but growing faction of Trump Republicans… Possibly also a fraction of the Bernie voters.

    I was a “fix it or burn it” voter this last cycle. Sent a donation to Bernie (“burn it all down if you can’t get it fixed”) but voted for Trump (“Last hope of a fix of the system”). Once that gets spread to enough people you have a revolt against the “Leadership”. Unfortunately, the “Leadership” can not restrain their greed and power lust so all that changes is the pace at which one heads toward the “French Haircut” of a revolution.

    My hope is that it takes at least one more lifetime to get there, here.
    “But hope is not a strategy. -E.M.Smith”

  140. Larry Ledwick says:

    From twitter:

    NBC News Tweets ✔️ @NBCNewsTweets 📰 News
    14 minutes ago

    JUST IN: Virginia governor declares states of emergency ahead of this weekend’s 1-year anniversary of the violent alt-right and white nationalist rally in Charlottesville in order “to address the potential impacts of events in and around the city.”

    Could be interesting!

  141. Larry Ledwick says:

    Actually that was from gab.ai mirror of twitter ( details )

    There is still a lot of stuff I need to go to twitter for, but these twitter mirrors cover the major media stuff and will only get better in time.

    I now keep a browser session to each open (using different browsers so they are isolated from each other)

  142. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting info in this piece:

    The New Mexico compound story is one of the craziest occurring right now. A Jihadi training camp for kids on US soil led by a man whose father is tied to the 1993 WTC bombing. The man is also suspected of killing his 4 year old son

    They say he was teaching the kids to be school shooters – nice fella!

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/08/man-arrested-at-new-mexico-compound-was-training-kids-to-commit-school-shootings-court-documents-say.html

  143. ossqss says:

    Quite a good write up on fires. Except they left out the many arson related problems.

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/08/08/mismanagement-forests-time-bombs/

  144. E.M.Smith says:

    Guess I need to figure out that whole gab.ai thing… I’d not mind a mirror but Twitter has shown themselves to be too privacy invasive for me to let them monetize me…

  145. E.M.Smith says:

    Well now I’ve gone and done it.

    I have a Social Media account….

    I now have a gab.ai account and am following Trump’s Tweets. I’d wanted to, but didn’t want the Twitter Tracking (even when not using it they have a beacon on your machine…) nor them making money from me. Now I can follow the copy of them and that’s fine.

    I’ve not posted anything (and I doubt I will). I’m just not “into” that whole real-time interactive Tweety thing nor into the “glory” angle of counting ku of followers. It will also be a while before I can sink more time into it than just having a couple of news threads and the Trump Tweets to “follow”…

    They do require an email account and name to set up the account. I suppose I really ought to have made a disposable email account first, but didn’t. As I have a task of choosing a new encrypting email service “soon”, my present ‘SPAM catcher’ account is quasi-dispo anyway.

    Now comes the hard part. Remembering to actually look at it from time to time ;-)

  146. H.R. says:

    Update on the turnout for the Ohio special election.

    I just caught this on the local news: ~540,000 registered voters in the Ohio 12th Congressional District with ~200,000 voting ( I was way off!).

    Updated – that’s 37% turnout. Still not good enough numbers for citizens to really be the masters of their government.

    I still take to heart jim2’s initial comment about low voter turnout.Scary and depressing. I’ve missed only 2-3 elections since I got married in1976. The ones I missed were issue elections held at totally non-traditional times. Ohio is pretty good about consistent election times; 2nd Tuesday in November and issues are usually put in with the May Primary. (Independents can vote issues only if they don’t want to get tied to a party.) This August race was very uncommon.

    Most of the time when you vote, you are voting your wallet, be it for a person who will be legislating taxes and spending, bond issues, local tax levies, or project approvals which will cost money. Yes, also the people who pass laws affecting personal freedom, but that’s usually related to money, too.

    How can so many people not care enough to vote?!? It’s the equivalent of saying, “Here. Take what you want out of my wallet. I’ll check in and see how much you took in a few months or years or maybe never. And while you’re at it, feel free to screw with my Constitutional rights and personal liberty.”
    Dayam, people! Get out and vote.

  147. Larry Ledwick says:

    EM sent you an email with a note about gab.ai

  148. jim2 says:

    I’m downright uplifted going from 2% to 37%. Yep, we need more and with that turnout, a small number increase of one side or the other will swing an election. Still, much better.

  149. E.M.Smith says:

    Damn. This is a bit of a pisser.

    The Orange Pi that runs my files server (with LVM disks on it) won’t boot. The chip is giving CRC errors and it can’t find the SD image to boot (tries to boot eMMC that isn’t there which then can’t find /boot/.next that isn’t used for the SD card…) An fsck worked, but didn’t find any errors, though. Just did a journal recovery.

    So hey, no problem, just restore the last saved system / card image… that is on the LVM disks… On that file server… DOH!

    OK, not horrible. I can read the chip in a R. Pi and suck off all the config information. The Pi can read LVM volumes (once lvm is installed and configured… ) and on and on.

    OK, not urgent. I’d left it up and running as I was doing other things and did that whole Devuan 2.0 install and test. I was not mounting the volume on the Devuan 2.0 image I’ve been running since then, so don’t know how long this has been down, but could be up to a couple of months. Not like I need to access the archives all that often.

    So “sometime” in the next few days I’ll need to do that LVM config, move the disks, recover the data, remake the chip, rebuild the file server…

    The chip in question is a Toshiba 16 GB. But I don’t know if this was a chip bit rot failure or a system oopsy in “disk” read / write processes. I suspect it is most likely the chip. (Inspection of the syslog files ought to make that clear).

    I may take this opportunity to do more than just a “recovery” and simply reevaluate the whole file server design. I’d tossed the Orange Pi at it as an expedient use for the board long long ago (about 4 newer boards ago…) and I’d used LVM mostly to get familiar with it (and found out that I don’t really like it.) ATM, it would be far far easier to “recover” if these were just two disks of 4 TB each of EXT3 as I could just plug them into anything. I don’t really like the idea of reading / moving / writing 8 TB of disk… OTOH, it would be an opportunity to fix that prior configuration decision. I’d also like to move the file server to a R. Pi (just because they are far more robust AND I’ve got more of them for swap / spare / fix uses… and run real Devuan).

    Well, that’s for later.

    I’d been doing the “set up” to do some more tech work and decided to mount the LVM volume and check where some data was stored… then found it wasn’t working. So in a few days if I don’t fix this it will start to get in the way of some planned work. But that gives me the whole weekend at least.

    I’d been doing some disk clean-up and removing excess redundant copies of things, so there’s a chance I’ve still got the old archive image on another disk; so that needs checking… but IIRC, I’d moved it all to the file server…

    Oh, and this also points out that I need a new process that duplicates all my “infrastructure” systems both to the main file server but also to a stand alone offline disk or storage area.

    Ah, the joys of Systems Administration ;-)

  150. E.M.Smith says:

    Well Double Damn! that was way too easy to fix…

    checked what I’d done before here:
    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2017/02/20/raid-lvm-gaggle-of-disks/

    On the R.Pi M3 / Devuan 2.0 as root did:

    apt-get install lvm2

    Copied the LVM partition entries from the old fstab to the Pi fstab.

    Plug LVM disks into Pi USB hub.

    Reboot. Mount disk. There it all is.

    Guess I have a free weekend now ;-)

  151. Larry Ledwick says:

    Yea! computer wizard scores again!

  152. Larry Ledwick says:

    This bit is funny – using press on decals creating lots and lots of Trump stars.

  153. E.M.Smith says:

    From “ineffectual symbolic virtue signalling government” to “spit in your eye – TRIGGERING!!!” with one instant print sticker…

    Go ahead, take his star of the Hollywood Walk… We’ll just put them everywhere ;-)

    It is just amazing to me how completely around the bend and over the cliff the NeverTrumpers have gone. TDS really is a mental disease (and one that seems to be contagious to Socialists…)

  154. Steve C says:

    I don’t recall reading here anything about, for want of a better name, “the Qanon phenomenon” which started on 4chan – does anyone else keep an eye on it? In the light of recent developments, just the fact that he posted last Oct. 31st: “Since they misjudged the influence of the MSM they are aggressively looking to censor throughout major platforms …” certainly suggests a potentially very interesting source.

  155. E.M.Smith says:

    This is a “must read”:
    https://apelbaum.wordpress.com/2018/03/

    From https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/08/09/attkisson-what-would-the-intelligence-community-insurance-policy-look-like/comment-page-1/#comment-5766706

    On a posting I was pointed at from someone here (no time ATM to dig out the trail, I think it was in tips).

    It is a GREAT example of what can be done by doing Open Intel work on all the Social Networking and Media information. It is why I’ve generally avoided ALL “social media” and don’t have a lot of public information, generally pay cash, don’t do much texting at all, avoid using email and phones to the extent possible, etc. etc. The digital footprints are just so easy to use against you.

    Beyond that, ti looks like it does a great job of disassembly on the Russia Steele Dossier and how it was a “made for purpose” work product of partisans.

    UPDATE: It was from CDQuarles (h/t!) here:
    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2018/08/02/tips-notices-august-2018/#comment-98798

    With the very descriptive but a bit terse “Wow” comment…

  156. Another Ian says:

    High technology it may be. Low technology it ain’t.

    “Watch: Man Tests Democrats’ Claims, Pulls Trigger on All-Plastic Gun (It Blows Up)”

    https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/08/10/watch-man-tests-democrats-claims-pulls-trigger-on-all-plastic-gun-it-blows-up/

  157. Another Ian says:

    Tin foil hat time?

    “Officials at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) are trying to figure out how an unexpected Chinese-language message suddenly blared over the loudspeakers at a National Weather Service office in Maryland on Wednesday.”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2018/08/10/its-probably-nothing-5/

  158. Larry Ledwick says:

    Q and Qanon have been a thing on twitter for quite some time.

    Sort of a modern version of Notradamas – short items that are open enough that you can read almost anything into them but the are interpreted by some as hints from and inside source. Others thinks it is just some random folks LARPing.

    The good news is in encourages folks to go do some of their own research, the bad news if folks think they have an inside track to the straight poop from a highly connected individual. I basically ignore them since I see no real indications that it is anything more than an elaborate prank.

  159. Steve C says:

    @E.M. – Yes, I’ve followed one or two links to articles about it since around Christmas / New Year. OK, you never know how authentic an anonymous voice is, but a fair few of his gnomic utterances have resonated with bits of my own mental model of the world, so I watch. Time will tell. Net phenomena are fascinating. Remember John Titor? ;-)

    @Another Ian – That’s definitely a step up from making spooky laughter come from peoples’ Google (etc) Boxes!

  160. E.M.Smith says:

    In the present circumstances where with some skill just about any photo or video can be created from whole cloth, even the “photo proof” presented is relatively useless. Has there EVER been a photo of the desk and a pen published? Then a person skilled in PhotoShop or GIMP can create a new “proof” photo. Similarly audio and other visuals.

    Then couching things in “quatrains” lets the post even reinterpretation fit any of a million choices, so at least one can “prove it”…

    So who knows.

    That’s why I typically don’t get worked up about any such things or most videos that show up and ALL news reports of things (since it’s pretty clear the “news” is often wrong and always spun for effect… ).

    It’s amusing. If you have the time to follow it, it could be fun. It might even be useful. As an outside chance, it might even be insider sourced… but with what end and what spin?…

  161. E.M.Smith says:

    Looks like Dinesh D’Sousa is getting a pardon. Watch for ‘Splody Heads on the Left:

    https://heavy.com/news/2018/05/dinesh-dsouza-d-souza-pardon-trump-crime/

  162. E.M.Smith says:

    HEY PG:

    Send “how to get there” to my email at PUB 4 all AT-Sign AOL DOT com

    I’ve got the whole Mr. Beer kit and dozens of bottles in boxes ready to deliver a beer making kit to you this weekend. (The Spouse just gave her “OK” for this weekend)

  163. H.R. says:

    Uhh… E.M? The date on that tweet was May 31st, 2018. Dinesh has been pardoned.
    .
    .
    .
    The Mrs. and I went to see Dinesh’s movie Death of A Nation today. There was nothing new to me in it, but the Mrs. really wasn’t aware of the differences in the various ‘isms’ and she said to me on the way out, “I didn’t know Mussolini was Italian.” I think she slept through that part of History Class. 😜 (After 42 years of marriage, I recognized immediately that it was not the time to laugh.)

    Surprising to me; the movie wasn’t much about President Trump so much as it was about how far back the Democrat’s perfidy goes (Dinesh took it back to Andrew Jackson) and the lies and the lengths the progressives have gone to hide their true agenda from the useful idiots.

    It’s a good movie, but for me, I liked giving him the attendance numbers and the $$$. All of the Left, Right, Socialist, Progressive, Fascist, Democrat discussion Dinesh covers in his movie was discussed here on your blog 5-6 years ago and in a much more thorough manner, so nothing much new to me.

    Oh! The beginning of the movie had a bunch of clips of the YSM predicting Hillary’s crushing win and clips of the YSM reactions on the night of the election. Priceless! I’d only seen about half of the clips, so I got my 5 bucks worth right there.

  164. p.g.sharrow says:

    @EMSmith; this is lovely! My lady has just volunteered me to help her move equipment at her place of business tomorrow (Saturday) We expect to be in Chico all day…pg

  165. E.M.Smith says:

    Snark from France24? Oh My….

    Alison Sargent said, citing HuffPo, that “White Nationalists” were denied a permit to hold a rally in Charlottseville so it is being held in Wash. D.C. and that if you want to interview local “clergymen, academics, and educators” one had to go through the “Charlottesville anti-racist media liaison” and they will ask journalists one question ‘Are you planning to interview a white supremacist also for this article?’ and if the answer is yes then you will be unable to do the interview.

    WT?…

    Has France24 gone off the rails or what?

    In the USA you can’t TALK to someone without a pre-censor censorship group giving permission?

    Either someone has put a really big one over on France24 or they are “in the bag” for a nutbar group with an agenda…

    Things that make the Spidey Sense go all tingly…

  166. E.M.Smith says:

    @H.R::

    One of the perils of the internet… things pop up that looks to be “news” with a current date stamp but when you look at the details happened some time ago. So after a few years of checking that, I missed one. Oh Well….

    @P.G.:

    As I’m a cup or two into a bottle of fine Irish Whisky tonight… it is unlikely I’ll be on the road before 10 AM tomorrow… and it is about 5 hours from here to Chico…

    BUT:

    A Subaru Scout with capacity to carry will be headed your way and ready to participate in moving stuff… IF my email says where to be and when…

  167. p.g.sharrow says:

    @EM, if that is the case, your timing will be perfect, we should be done with the hard labor as we are moving from one side of the building to the other and we have lots of help.
    See email reply for phone numbers plus email road instructions to get here if things don’t work out. I am up until 11:00pm and generally up by 6am…pg

  168. Larry Ledwick says:

    This little meme cartoon is so fitting for so many situations
    (memo – you can’t see a black swan coming if you are not looking in the right direction)

  169. E.M.Smith says:

    Just a quick FYI:

    I’m back from my overnight to PG’s place. Spouse hugged. Dogs patted. Everybody fed. Now curled up on the couch with the laptop…

    Postings to resume “soonish” ;-)

  170. p.g.sharrow says:

    A well deserved nap is in order. Thank you for the visit, the help, and the beer making supplies…pg

  171. E.M.Smith says:

    For anyone suffering “terminal curiosity”:

    Since I didn’t want to ship 4 cases of empty beer bottle to Florida nor was a $40 Mr. Beer plastic fermenter high on my “must ship” list, I gave P.G. my beer making kit and have exited the home brewer business for now. Re-entry to brewing TBD when I get the rest of what all survives a good ‘house pruning” shipped and relocated to new “digs” in a year-ish.

    The help was with moving a dresser… Yeah, practicing my furniture moving skills ;-)

    I must thank P.G. and his S.O. for a fine BBQ Steak dinner with home grown green beans and a salad with some tomatoes fresh from the garden. Quite a surprise and very well made. Watching P.G. at the BBQ is it’s own adventure. Large flammable beard just out of reach of the flavor enhancing flare-ups as Olive Oil basting and melting fats drip onto the burners… Enhanced, no doubt, some very nice home-made wine coloring my perceptions ;-)

    We talked until some time after midnight. Very enjoyable evening!

  172. Larry Ledwick says:

    It is time for everyone to do their happy dance!

    From twitter:
    Rep. Jim Jordan @Jim_Jordan
    20 minutes ago (14:11 MDT)

    Strzok fired today. Never forget:

  173. E.M.Smith says:

    This is a pro-Strzok page that confirms he’s out:
    http://www.wlox.com/story/38872040/fbi-agent-strzok-reportedly-fired-over-anti-trump-texts

    Happy Dance commencing in 3 – 2 – 1 … !!!!!!!

    One down, 100,000 to go…

  174. Another Ian says:

    “Banks have been warned of an imminent threat that their cash machines could be mass-hacked by cyber criminals.

    In a confidential alert on Friday, America’s Federal Bureau of Investigation told international banks that criminals are plotting a concerted global malware attack on cash machines in the next few days.”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2018/08/13/i-for-one-welcome-our-self-driving-overlords-2/

  175. E.M.Smith says:

    So I ought to go get my usual cash withdrawal now, eh?

    I’m hard pressed to believe that cash machines (ATMs) are not under constant attack… or that thieves would wait for a particular day…

  176. E.M.Smith says:

    @Another Ian:

    The link in the “article” doesn’t work. That’s the problem with articles that consist of a link, link dies and article does too. Why I quote…. So, my comment there:

    E.M.Smith
    August 13, 2018 at 7:20 pm

    Well, the link in the “article” above doesn’t work, but perhaps this one is the same story:

    https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/fbi-us-atms-could-be-hacked-to/

    Tara Seals US/North America News Reporter, Infosecurity Magazine

    The FBI is warning that potential ATM attacks, similar to those in Taiwan and Thailand that caused ATMs to dispense millions, could happen in the US.

    The FBI said in a recent bulletin that it was “monitoring emerging reports indicating that well-resourced and organized malicious cyber-actors have intentions to target the US financial sector.” Now, the Wall Street Journal has reported that the threat could be linked to malicious software used by the Russian gang known as Buhtrap, known for stealing money thorugh fraudulent wire transfers. Sources said that the group has been testing ATM hacking techniques on Russian banks, and will soon look to try them out on financial institutions in other countries.

    The first such attack on an ATM system was reported in the Taiwanese capital Taipei in July, after 22 thieves made off with $2.6 million from ATMs around the country by causing them to spit out cash. Criminals from eastern Europe and Russia are said by police to have used malware to infiltrate cash machines run by First Commercial Bank. Three suspects were eventually arrested in Taipei and north-east Taiwan, with around half the money recovered.

    A similar attack was reported at the Government Savings Bank in Thailand the following month. There, the Ripper malware was used in a sophisticated campaign to steal 12 million baht (£265,400) from ATMs in Thailand. Ripper targets three major global ATM manufacturers, and is unusual in that it interacts with the targeted machine via a specially crafted bank card featuring an EMV chip which acts as an authentication method.

    Looks like it doesn’t hit individual accounts but is a generic system attack. IF real.

  177. Larry Ledwick says:

    Our Judges have gone insane – there better be a really good excuse for this determination (like massive abuse of authority or something malignant)

    It would also be nice if the Judge was on the hook for the consequences if these folks skip town or actually take terrorist action in the community.

    From twitter:
    Laura Loomer @LauraLoomer

    BREAKING: A judge has denied a motion to detain the 5 New Mexico Terrorist compound suspects after hours-long hearing

    Police said they were training kids to be “school shooters”.
    Now they are free to roam the streets.
    This is absolutely insane.

    https://www.kob.com/new-mexico-news/developing-suspect-in-northern-new-mexico-compound-took-weapons-classes-had-books-on-building-firearms/5029547/

  178. Larry Ledwick says:

    Meanwhile Sweden is going up in flames as rioters torch dozens of cars.

    Laura Loomer Retweeted
    PeterSweden @PeterSweden7
    3 hours ago

    MASSIVE UNREST ALL OVER SWEDEN TONIGHT

    60 cars have been set on fire in Gothenburg, rocks thrown at police in Trollhättan

    Reported places of unrest:

    – Frölunda
    – Hjälbo
    – Eriksberg
    – Malmö
    – Trollhättan
    – Falkenberg
    – Helsingborg

    Sweden is resembling a warzone – Please SHARE!

  179. Larry Ledwick says:

    From local media:

    https://polisen.se/aktuellt/handelser/2018/augusti/14/14-augusti-00.45-uppdatering-vastra-gotalands-lan/
    (need to translate above copied under fair use guidelines as news event not being covered by major media)

    14 August 01.35, Update, Västra Götaland County

    Below is a picture of the majority of fires that occurred on 18-08-13, after 21:00. The situation is calm, police are left on the premises.

    A special event began at 21.17.

    In all places the fires are extinguished by rescue services. No known personal injuries have been reported. In addition to previously reported fires, police were alerted to Gårdsten at 22.40 hours for cars that were burned, even these are now extinguished.

    Frölunda: A group of about 6-8 masked youth fires and throws stones. 31 cars have burned and in addition to these 35 cars are injured. Nobody is arrested.

    Nordost: A group of about 8-10 young people throws stones and fires. 15 cars have burned. Nobody is arrested.

    Trollhättan: A larger group of about 30-40 young people throws stones and fires. Six cars have burned and another few cars must be damaged. Here roads have been blocked by youngsters and they have even thrown stones against the police and their vehicles. At the moment, identification of young people is ongoing.

    When most fires started within a short period of time, it can not be excluded that there is a connection between the fires, the case will be investigated. Polish patrons will remain in the affected areas as long as it is considered necessary.

    Text of
    Ulla Brehm
    published
    August 14, 01.36

    [From Wiki-
    Västra Götaland County (Swedish: Västra Götalands län) is a county or län on the western coast of Sweden.

    The county is the second largest (in terms of population) of Sweden’s counties and it is subdivided into 49 municipalities (kommuner). Its population of 1,616,000 amounts to 17% of Sweden’s population.[needs update] The formal capital and seat of the governor of Västra Götaland County is Gothenburg. The political capital and seat of the Västra Götaland Regional Council is Vänersborg.

    The county was established in 1998, when Älvsborg County, Gothenburg and Bohus County and Skaraborg County were merged. ]

  180. E.M.Smith says:

    I note i passing that completely missing from that Swedish report is what nationality / ethnicity / religion might the rioters be and what their “grievance” was.

    My guess would be “muslim immigrants” or those tired of such folks wrecking their country. My bias would be the former.

    From what I know of Swedes, they are THE nicest most forgiving people on the planet; until you go way too far. Then the Viking comes out.

    I can’t say if this was folks from elsewhere being very stupid, or the result of “going too far” and setting off the “reactionary forces”. Either one makes sense…. Both cultures are mutually exclusive. Mix them and one or the other will “go postal”.

    It will only be the start, either way…

  181. Larry Ledwick says:

    Yes your assumption is 99.9% likely correct they are having huge problems with youth gangs all over northern europe but it is forbidden to publish the ethnic background of the people involved in these violent attacks. PC rules are vigorously enforced a person on the street can lose their job and get black listed and become almost unemployable for a single tweet or facebook post publishing the ethnic background of these gangs.

  182. E.M.Smith says:

    https://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02/21/sweden-cars-torched-looting-riots/

    Sweden: Looting, Cars Torched, Police Attacked as Riots Break out in Migrant Suburb

    Ah, “migrant suburb”. Well…

    by Virginia hale 21 Feb 201731,851

    Riots broke out on Monday night in the suburb of Rinkeby, where a majority of residents were born overseas, just hours after the country’s Prime Minister attacked U.S President Donald J. Trump for linking mass migration with rising violence in Sweden.

    The riots, in which cars were set ablaze and shops were looted, resulted in the Stockholm suburb looking “like a warzone” according to a journalist who was at the scene.

    Police retreated to a nearby gas station after being forced to fire a warning shot as a group of around 30 thugs pelted officers with stones, according to Expressen.

    Well, that explains a lot… it must be Trump’s fault… /sarc;

  183. H.R. says:

    E.M.: “From what I know of Swedes, they are THE nicest most forgiving people on the planet; until you go way too far. Then the Viking comes out.”

    I read the reports about the Swedish government ignoring the plight of Swedish citizens and I wonder if the salt-of-the earth Swedes have been beaten down so badly that there is no longer a “Viking” to come out.

    But if there is still a core of Viking left in enough Swedes, there will be a terrible reckoning on the Muslim invaders and their Swedish government enablers.

    I’m agreeing with you here. It won’t be a lot longer until the Viking comes out or Sweden sinks under the waves of the flood of Muslims. We’ll find out in short order.

  184. E.M.Smith says:

    @H.R.:

    A rather more interesting point than might be thought at first blush.

    My Mum, from England, when I asked about why the folks of the UK were doing something particularly wimpy (about 25 years ago) said: ~ “All the best ones emigrated way somewhere”.

    Her Dad’s brother went to Australia early (so I have “Sumner” relatives there that I don’t know). Her best friend went to New Zealand. She married a Yank and moved to America. Her Sister married a “Russian Jew Yank” and moved to New Jersey. Another sister ended up in Canada. On and on it goes.

    So The Big Question: Are the Swedes I’ve known, emigrants to the USA and a few from Sweden who moved here to work at Ericsson but still left Sweden; Are they DIFFERENT from those not brave enough to leave home?

    Have the Vikings all moved “somewhere else” (like “Little Sweden” in Minnesota or somewhere in Canada)?

    I guess we’ll find out.

    Part of “American Exceptionalism” may just be that those willing to take a risk to live free self selected to be here and are not so interested in a well furnished stall in the barn and a promise not to be gelded just now…yet…

    Wild cats / mountain lions are natural skeptics. House cats expect to be given a nice bed and a “can a day”, even if it hurts a bit after that trip to the vet… but never were skeptical of the free meal.

    So maybe that’s why Americans are happy to spit in the eye of the “comfortable bed with an IV” folks…

  185. H.R. says:

    Fair point, E.M. The ‘real’ Swedes may be gone.

    The only Swede I knew was quick with a quip and a laugh, generous to a fault, big and very strong, slow to wrath but terrifying when enraged. And her Norwegian husband was even more so.

  186. Larry Ledwick says:

    From twitter:
    Landon Simms @simms_landon
    10 hours ago
    More
    My grandfather is a 96 yr old German. When seeing Antifa videos, he shakes his head and says; “We didnt think it could happen in Germany either. These people (Antifa) act and sound like the NAZI party’s Sturmabteilung. Stop them now or you’ll regret it.”

  187. Larry Ledwick says:

    Okay I give up – how do you get this stupid? Pills, training, a mentor?
    Are these best of the best folks really that totally clue less or do they just really not give a shit?
    Why didn’t he just buy a bill board and post the stuff on a major thoroughfare?

    From twitter:
    Paul Sperry @paulsperry_
    More
    BREAKING: FBI’s Office of Professional Responsibility found Strzok violated FBI and DOJ policies by downloading classified information to his unsecured Gmail account which he shared with non-FBI family members, but only recommended a virtual hand slap for the otherwise felony

  188. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larry:

    When you KNOW that the cop is your Best Buddy, you will do all sorts of Stupid Crap since you know you are immune.

    What is needed is the sharp slap of justice right in the face.

    Spare the Rod, spoil the child; OR the FBI Agent…

  189. Simon Derricutt says:

    On immigration, I’d expect that the people who immigrate because they want to improve their lives are likely people you’d want to have. On the other hand,people who are forced to go *somewhere else* and didn’t want to leave home in the first place are people you wouldn’t want to have, since they’ll try to hold on to their own customs and values rather than embracing the new country and its culture. It depends on whether you look at the new country as a new set of opportunities or as some sort of punishment, I’d think.

    As an ex-pat myself I would prefer my neighbours regard me as an asset rather than a liability.

  190. cdquarles says:

    We’ve seen this movie before, here in the USA. Back in the ’20s, recall, there was a mass migration out of the Old South to the North/Midwest. The migrants left the South to go North for the ‘better life’ to be found there. That said, people are people wherever you go. Do *not* think Jim Crow was only a Southern thing, nor forget that the Union Movement had ample numbers of thugs associated with it. [I have family stories about that migration.]

    Net result of that migration? Brain drain from the South, for the ‘best and brightest’ left, again, for that better life. A similar thing happened in the ’30s, too; from the “Dust Bowl” to the West Coast.
    Mass migrations *always* leave cultural changes behind them. Now fast-forward to the ’60s and ’70s. The migration begins to reverse, as the Stupid ‘Progressives’ ruin the culture in the North and West. The brain drain now has been going to the Old South, following the factories that left because of the dumb governments that forced them out due to taxes and regulations (redundant). Still, and maybe in spite of the Stupid “Progressives”, the USA remained, overall, attractive due to our relatively free culture that still valued virtue and industriousness.

    People are people wherever you go and culture matters; for some cultures truly are better than others. Thug culture stinks. Socialism *is* Thug culture as well as Thug religion.

  191. p.g.sharrow says:

    @Larry; Strzok arose to the top levels of the FBI in 12 years. Most likely a good student from a well connected family. A lawyer that believes himself to be a superior human, obvious because of his vaulted position as a director of lawyers and investigators in the FBI. I have met many that claim their extensive education demonstrates their high intelligence. They know a great deal but understand little. Much of what they learned in collage was wrong and they had little real life experience to filter the BS from the information they were forced to memorize to get good grades.
    His biggest failing was arrogance because of his position among other vaulted small men.
    The only way to “Fix” this problem is to discredit and fire the whole “Team” for their miss use of their positions and ignoring the rules put in place to prevent this sort of thing. Mueller is the Leader of this crew. He has a long history of using others to do his dirty work, he is not an honorable man being used by others. Mueller gathered this crew into the top levels of the FBI while he was Director. He wanted to be named to that position by Trump. For him this is personal…pg

  192. p.g.sharrow says:

    Immigrant or refuge? Simon hits the nail on the head. Are they joiners or conquers?
    If you want to be an American you are welcome to join us, even add to the mosaic of our culture.
    If you love your culture and want to preserve it. Stay in the area that spawned it and fix it’s developing. problems. Don’t inflict them on me. STAY HOME! Risk your own blood to fix your home shithole, Don’t bring it into my home. My ancestors and I have have spilt a lot of blood and wasted a lot of treasure to create this country and I resent invaders that demand I change it to fit their wants…pg

  193. H.R. says:

    I think I have found a second career in retirement.

    The Mrs. and I had breakfast at an Ihop Ihob this morning. I was all coffeed out so I just asked for water. It was brought out with TWO plastic straws wrapped in paper. Nice straws! Heavier than most by a few mils.

    I was idly wondering what to do with the second straw when it occurred to me that I should probably start smuggling black market plastic straws into California. I could be the next Al Capone of plastic straws and make a fortune. I don’t relish the idea of running gun battles with police or rival plastic straw gangs but I suppose it all goes with the territory.

    Mr. Big! Diamond pinkie rings! Cigarette boats! Minions! Henchmen! All the trappings of mobster life.

    With legalized marijuana, I suppose plastic straws will be the next big thing for criminal enterprises.

    Anyhow, if you don’t mind, E.M., may I recruit gang members for the straw smuggling operation here? I have cookies.

    (You need not apply if the thought selling plastic straws for juice boxes to grade-school children is anathema to you. I do realize that some people have their limits and there are lines they will not cross. But if you are OK with that, then remember to tell the kids “the first straw is free.”)

  194. E.M.Smith says:

    @Strzok Gmail:

    BTW, do realize Google dredges Gmail content / text… So he was sharing his FBI email with Google too…

    Watching his “performance” and “attitude” in his congressional hearing I was surprised he didn’t get a contempt of Congress issued on the spot. You could just feel the spite and hatred radiating from him. He actually looked evil at times.

    Given him and Mueller and Comey as exemplars of FBI upper ranks, I’d never want to work there.

    @H.R.:

    Nah, don’t sell the straws to the kids, sell to the parents in bulk lots. Think MLM. Recruit one Ma from the PTA, let her sell to the rest, then they can deal with the kids supply. You gotta think bigger!

    Me? I’m planning on a 3D Straw Printer. Make a specialized one that only has a inch of lateral travel and does circles well, but has a 8 inch height. Sell them to folks all over the place. (Hey, I’m not pushing illegal Plastic straws… this is for printing small pipes for mechanical things – wink wink nudge nudge know what I mean! ;-)

    I suppose it might be easier to make a heated nozzle for the sausage stuffer to melt plastic bottles and just extrude a “small hose” that could then be cut to length… Hmm….

    At 1000 kg, this one is a bit big…
    http://www.pefilmblowingmachine.com/sale-2128759-automatic-tricolor-plastic-drinking-straw-making-machine-for-beverage-industry.html
    but I’m sure it could be downsized…

  195. Larry Ledwick says:

    Idle thought – wouldn’t it be marvelous irony if using Civil Asset Forfeiture laws they took all of the Clinton’s assesses as fruit of political corruption and illegal money laundering?

    You’ve got a nice foundation there, it would be a shame if someone should discover how you amassed all that wealth and decided to claim it as illegal proceeds.

    The really beautiful thing about if that happened, is suddenly every politician in Congress would suddenly decide that Civil Asset Forfeiture program was illegal and needed to be restrained.

  196. p.g.sharrow says:

    Sorry Larry, can’t happen. Shortly after the election the money was moved to Dubai to protect it. No extradition from Dubai. No judicial asset claims recognized by their banks. IIRC it was Goldman/Sacks that transferred the funds from their control in NY city to Dubai…pg.

  197. E.M.Smith says:

    yeah, nothing suspicious about recandling to a non extradition country… nothing at all…

  198. Larry Ledwick says:

    This will be interesting to watch if it does not fall down a black hole in the media.
    Looks like another increment to the Clinton body count. You could write off 1 or 2 or maybe even 10 to just bad luck and coincidence but the count is getting high enough makes you wonder if the back story is as sinister as it looks.

    https://bigleaguepolitics.com/report-journalist-found-dead-after-investigating-clinton-sex-crimes/

  199. Larry Ledwick says:

    Sorry Larry, can’t happen.

    You are thinking too small I am talking about her mansion in New York and every other physical asset she her husband and daughter have ownership of.

    You know like leave her with a grocery cart and a couple trash bags.

  200. p.g.sharrow says:

    Think bigger! They moved something like $600,million cash assets. I’ll bet any real-estate is well encumbered…pg

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  202. Larry Ledwick says:

    An interesting summary of the nuclear weapons program and policy since the beginning of nuclear weapons development.

    It appears to be a factual summary with little in the way of agenda driven editorials embedded in it but rather a reasonably straight forward over view of where we are and how we got there.

    A bit long but a perhaps useful reference and refresher.

    http://www.nti.org/learn/countries/united-states/nuclear/#B-61

  203. philjourdan says:

    Re: Vikings Emigrating.

    The best did. But then they did well in the US and their kids got soft. So the lot that were worth a snot are dead and the rest still vote for Hubert Humphrey.

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