Is The UK Behind “Russiagate”?

This has been nagging at me for a while now. Not a lot of evidence, just that sort of drip-drip-drip of annoying little “doesn’t quite fit” in The Narrative along with niggling anomalies that do fit in the thesis that “The UK did it”. Though there are similar bits of “fit” from an EU Complicit thesis.

This is a hard posting to write for 2 reasons.

The First is that I could get a UK Citizenship just by applying (and I’ve contemplated doing so…). Mum was from Britain, England, and I was raised drinking tea with the pinky out and being a “good little gentleman” in the English traditions. My heart is with the UK.

The second is that there is just not much beyond minor suspicions and circumstances to point a finger. Yet this is what I would expect from the UK. They are masters of deception in war and misdirection in peace. So how do you write an article with nearly nothing on which to hang the central thesis?

But pressing on…

Let’s begin with context. The Great Game is the competition between the UK and Russia that has been ongoing since at least the early 1800’s. From the wiki (linked in my posting linked above) bolding by me:

“The Great Game” was a political and diplomatic confrontation that existed for most of the nineteenth century between the British Empire and the Russian Empire over Afghanistan and neighbouring territories in Central and Southern Asia. Russia was fearful of British commercial and military inroads into Central Asia, and Britain was fearful of Russia adding “the jewel in the crown”, India, to the vast empire that Russia was building in Asia. This resulted in an atmosphere of distrust and the constant threat of war between the two empires. Britain made it a high priority to protect all the approaches to India, and the “great game” is primarily how the British did this in terms of a possible Russian threat. Historians with access to the archives have concluded that Russia had no plans involving India, as the Russians repeatedly stated.

The Great Game began on 12 January 1830
when Lord Ellenborough, the President of the Board of Control for India, tasked Lord William Bentinck, the Governor-General, to establish a new trade route to the Emirate of Bukhara. Britain intended to gain control over the Emirate of Afghanistan and make it a protectorate, and to use the Ottoman Empire, the Persian Empire, the Khanate of Khiva, and the Emirate of Bukhara as buffer states between both empires. This would protect India and also key British sea trade routes by stopping Russia from gaining a port on the Persian Gulf or the Indian Ocean. Russia proposed Afghanistan as the neutral zone. The results included the failed First Anglo-Afghan War of 1838, the First Anglo-Sikh War of 1845, the Second Anglo-Sikh War of 1848, the Second Anglo-Afghan War of 1878, and the annexation of Khiva, Bukhara, and Kokand by Russia.

Historians consider the end of the Great Game to be 10 September 1895
signing of the Pamir Boundary Commission protocols, when the border between Afghanistan and the Russian empire was defined. The 1901 novel Kim by Rudyard Kipling made the term popular and introduced the new implication of great power rivalry. It became even more popular after the 1979 advent of the Soviet–Afghan War.

So “they’ve met”… Now notice that the whole fuss over Russia reclaiming Crimea (that WAS part of Russia for about 200 years before it was, arguably against Soviet law, given to Ukraine by Khrushchev – though technically still under Soviet control until 1991) and got that warm water port back. Similarly, we have Russia on the Syrian side and the UK (with their proxy? the USA) on the other side, trying to remove that Soviet warm water base.

So did The Great Game end in 1895? Or did it just take a pause for 2 World Wars, to resume as the Cold War and then rekindle after the USSR collapsed with the rise of Putin as Nationalist leader who wishes to restore the glory of the prior Soviet Empire?

If “geopolitical imperatives” is a valid concept, then fundamental structural conflicts, like that of the Russian Empire vs the British Empire ought to persist, even as the names and players change. Replace “Ottoman Empire” with “Turkey” and “Persian Empire” with Iran in the above paragraph. Sure looks like the same “buffer states” to me. Yes, the USA is nominally an independent actor in this play and not part of the British Empire; but are we? Or are we being skillfully recruited into the roll of proxy? I can’t call that jump ball…

What can be said with certainty is that at least since 1830, and through the post W.W.II Cold War, the UK as been at serious odds with Russia. You do not end nearly 200 years of “issues” with a nod and a wink.

Then there is the quote from my prior article:

But worse, it looks like the USA is doing exactly that, but with little clue that it’s even IN The New Great Game. Though, per the wiki on it, even Prince Andrew knows it (and said so in one of the wikileaks cables):

In a leaked US Embassy cable released by WikiLeaks, it was reported that Prince Andrew, Duke of York, supports the concept of a New Great Game:

Addressing the Ambassador directly, Prince Andrew then turned to regional politics. He stated baldly that “the United Kingdom, Western Europe (and by extension you Americans too)” were now back in the thick of playing the Great Game. More animated than ever, he stated cockily: “And this time we aim to win!”

The reference given is to “Wikileaks files: US ambassador criticised Prince Andrew”. BBC. November 30, 2010.

So Prince Andrew thinks The Game is still on.

That was with Obama in office (2009-20017), not Trump.

Now what would happen if a blatantly Nationalist “USA First & Always” Donald Trump were elected and was not so interested in playing The Great Game? Was not so easily manipulated into moving our Military into Afghanistan and The Ottoman Empire pardon, Turkey & Syria on our dime?

It seems to me the desire would be strong to remove such an impediment to having the USA act as “British Empire By Proxy” in The Great Game II. Then how better to do it than to have a “Knight Fork” that paints both your adversaries as Evil with the same brush? One, the other, or both, get tarred and feathered. Win-win.

I can’t see any reason for The Players to NOT take that tack.

Some backing matter:

So WHO started the whole “Trump Russia Links” story?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia

Oh, “British Spies”…

Bold by me.

British spies were first to spot Trump team’s links with Russia

Exclusive: GCHQ is said to have alerted US agencies after becoming aware of contacts in 2015

Britain’s spy agencies played a crucial role in alerting their counterparts in Washington to contacts between members of Donald Trump’s campaign team and Russian intelligence operatives
, the Guardian has been told.

GCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious “interactions” between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information, they added.

Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said.

The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.

Another source suggested the Dutch and the French spy agency, the General Directorate for External Security or DGSE, were contributors.

It is understood that GCHQ was at no point carrying out a targeted operation against Trump or his team or proactively seeking information. The alleged conversations were picked up by chance as part of routine surveillance of Russian intelligence assets. Over several months, different agencies targeting the same people began to see a pattern of connections that were flagged to intelligence officials in the US.

The issue of GCHQ’s role in the FBI’s ongoing investigation into possible cooperation between the Trump campaign and Moscow is highly sensitive. In March Trump tweeted that Barack Obama had illegally “wiretapped” him in Trump Tower.

So was it really just all a bit coincidence? Really? When it comes to spy agencies and deception services, I don’t believe in “coincidences”…

At this point, given what we know of the involvement of the FBI in a “Get Trump!” campaign, and seasoned with the general animosity of the TLAs (Three Letter Agencies) toward Trump, and then leavened with a bit of Obama & Kerry & Clintons being all lovey-dovey and in some cases in the pay of EU & other “foreign actors”: It really does beg the question of just how “independent” all those “chance” discoveries were…

Then remember that Steele was a UK Agent in a prior time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Steele

Born 24 June 1964 (age 54)

Christopher David Steele (born 24 June 1964) is a former British intelligence officer with the Secret Intelligence Service MI6 from 1987 until his retirement in 2009. He is also the founding director of Orbis Business Intelligence, a London-based private intelligence firm. He authored a dossier that claims Russia collected a file of compromising information on U.S. President Donald Trump.

So “retired” at age 45? Really? I’ve known an agent or two. Even when clearly retired, they were “available”. Once a Marine, always a Marine, and once an Agent, always an Agent… (For the one I knew, they were even wanting to recruit the guys sons…)

So we have a “retired” UK Agent at the key point in the process, creating the “documentation” that enabled all the rest to proceed. We have the UK Agencies tickling our USA Agencies (with the EU “confirming”). All to what end?

To stop an American Nationalist from pulling out of The Great Game II and putting America First. Or worse, horror of horrors, being friendly with Putin and Russia. (Remember that during the campaign, Trump said as much.)

Now I personally think it is a Very Bad Idea to piss in the beer of someone with 1/2 of the nuclear weapons in the world, and I also don’t see any reason NOT to be on good terms with Russia. Hell, it is far far more “liberal” than Saudi Arabia and The Shaw, both of which we were happy to cozy up with. (I’d even assert it’s on a par with the European Parliament on the issue of “democracy” – at least Russia has show elections, the EU doesn’t even bother with that…)

Then just to put a bit more salt in the wound: Is it possible that the UK Agencies are at the lever point of the EU Agencies?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/01/gchq-europe-spy-agencies-mass-surveillance-snowden

GCHQ and European spy agencies worked together on mass surveillance

Edward Snowden papers unmask close technical cooperation and loose alliance between British, German, French, Spanish and Swedish spy agencies

The German, French, Spanish and Swedish intelligence services have all developed methods of mass surveillance of internet and phone traffic over the past five years in close partnership with Britain’s GCHQ eavesdropping agency.

The bulk monitoring is carried out through direct taps into fibre optic cables and the development of covert relationships with telecommunications companies. A loose but growing eavesdropping alliance has allowed intelligence agencies from one country to cultivate ties with corporations from another to facilitate the trawling of the web, according to GCHQ documents leaked by the former US intelligence contractor Edward Snowden.

The files also make clear that GCHQ played a leading role in advising its European counterparts how to work around national laws intended to restrict the surveillance power of intelligence agencies.

The German, French and Spanish governments have reacted angrily to reports based on National Security Agency (NSA) files leaked by Snowden since June, revealing the interception of communications by tens of millions of their citizens each month. US intelligence officials have insisted the mass monitoring was carried out by the security agencies in the countries involved and shared with the US.

Is it possible that there is one giant rats nest of “Secret Agencies” working to one end, a Surveillance Society for the Elites, as part of The Great Game II; and along comes Trump & The Deplorables to pee in their tea? So what would they do then, eh? All their contributing and cooperating “partners” out of the USA administration? That would hurt…

So of course they would just do nothing and accept losing… /sarc;

Proof? Nope, not a drop.

Mighty Strong Circumstances? A very suspicious set of “luck” on intercepts? A wall of motivations? Oh yeah.

All I have is a loose thread; but it just begs to be pulled by someone with the right hand…

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About E.M.Smith

A technical managerial sort interested in things from Stonehenge to computer science. My present "hot buttons' are the mythology of Climate Change and ancient metrology; but things change...
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18 Responses to Is The UK Behind “Russiagate”?

  1. erl happ says:

    Yes, material for a good novel. History…. a study in human behaviour.Can the Leopard change his spots? The advantage of the long term perspective.

  2. Kent Gatewood says:

    Steve McIntyre has pulled from climate and concentrates on these issues now.

    He is using Twitter more than long posts.

  3. rms says:

    Dan Bongino indicates that he covers the UK role in all this in his book that comes out in October “Spygate: The Attempted Sabotage of Donald J. Trump, by Dan Bongino and D.C. McAllister”

  4. p.g.sharrow says:

    The “Five Eyes” spying alliance is a rogue “Dark State” organization that is subverting Democratic nations around the world into a Supranational organization that they control. Brennan and the Clintons are a part of this conspiracy…pg

  5. Tregonsee says:

    As someone else with a British/Welsh mother, and my morning cup of tea beside me as I write, I think this reads better if you leave out the Great Game part. Most of the rest of it works well enough for more traditional views of why DJT is not liked.

  6. TigerBear says:

    Thank you. I’ve been saying all along that the UK seemed deeply involved, and you’ve now shown it certainly was/is highly probable.

  7. A C Osborn says:

    As a UK citizen I cannot take this seriously.
    “Behind it”, if that means Instigators of it, then NO.
    From the data that we have from all the various email investigations it is plain to see that this is a CIA/FBI/DOJ run scam at the behest of the Obama/Clinton/Globalist cabal.
    Did the UK spooks contribute to it, I am not sure, but there is a definite suspicion with the involvement of the retired Steele.
    The really suspicious part was the sudden retirement of a head UK spook when the information started coming out.

  8. philjourdan says:

    Given the subterfuge, I would be leery of finding any “evidence” much less proof of what you say. But it does make the pieces fit together. Especially the Clinton aspect of the whole sordid affair. The hypothesis fits the known facts (as do many others), but after suffering through Clinton 1, Bush 43 and Obama, why would the UK want a Clinton II? Because they were part of the caper?

    That part will never come out as the UK cannot afford it and they have enough nerve agent and Polonium to “disappear” even Trump. But it was not Trump that started the unraveling. It was Brexit! While in, they had a way to counter Russian leverage over Germany. Out, they lose it. And that is why May is sabotaging Brexit. The UK cannot afford to leave the EU as long as Russia has a stranglehold on Central Europe (through gas).

    That also explains the respect that Putin and Trump have for each other. Outsiders looking in and not liking what they see.

    The only way this would work is if they had gotten rid of Trump early (as was the hope and desire), as it is clear that the UK involvement, even if it is only Steele, is not endearing the country (empire) to Trump.

    But it also begs the question – who is interfering with our elections more? The UK or Russia? The left (complete 180 now) will whine about the UK being a “friend” forgetting the maxim of countries do not have “friends”, merely common interests. And while the American people and the Brits do seem to have a common interest, it is clear the governments do not at this time.

  9. tom0mason says:

    Certainly the UK’s spy services are considerable —
    From https://theintercept.com/2018/05/11/gbhq-surveillance-spying-technology/

    Driving into Cheltenham from the west, it is hard to miss the offices of Government Communications Headquarters, or GCHQ, the United Kingdom’s surveillance agency. The large, doughnut-shaped building sits behind high-perimeter fencing with barbed wire and many levels of security. The facility – used to eavesdrop on global emails and phone calls – is located on the edge of the sleepy Gloucestershire town, which feels like an incongruous location for one of the world’s most aggressive spy agencies …
    …A GCHQ employee can work with the agency for a few years, learn about its tools and methods, and then take that knowledge with them to a job in the more lucrative private sector, where there are plenty opportunities for surveillance innovation. According to the London-based advocacy group Privacy International, the U.K. has 104 companies producing surveillance equipment for export to foreign governments and corporations. Only the United States – with 122 companies – has more.

    The tools of ‘The Great Game II’ ?

  10. Steve C says:

    I’m not convinced that the UK is actually “behind” it, but I am quite satisfied that it was in it up to the eyeballs from day one. (And I say “it” not “we” because, of course, it is not us.) As for all the bizarre alleged activities around Porton Down, the Skripals, etc., allegedly further “proof” of “the Russians'” alleged nefariousness, does anyone in their right mind believe a word of any of it? I don’t know anyone who does, including the latest nonsense about perfume bottles. None of it adds up.

    @E.M. – You say “the USA is nominally an independent actor in this play and not part of the British Empire”: I’m not so sure. The “elite” families on both sides of the Atlantic are the same families, as Miles Mathis has shown, and the rapidly spinning revolving doors between corporate and financial positions across the Pond suggest rather strongly that the linkages hold not only for the biggest power monkeys, but also their good (?) and faithful servants.

    Although The Saker refers frequently to the “Anglo-Zionist Empire”, my name for it is the “Anglo-Zio-American Empire”, which seems more accurate: if you want to see other countries interfering in national affairs, you’re wasting your time looking for Russian influence. Look at the trouble the British Jews are giving Corbyn at the moment – if he had said something about Russians that some Russian didn’t like, nobody would have heard a word about it. But I hardly dare say any more about this: if I were even to suggest that there might be a little too much influence from that particular minority, I will rapidly discover that we no longer have free speech in this free country. So, as Wittgenstein noted, “Whereof we cannot speak, thereof must we remain silent”.

    “Countries” really only exist as another way to control us little people when we want to move about, anyhow – the self-selected “elite” are setting themselves up as global overlords, after all, so they’re not going to give any credence to silly lines on maps. (Look at the great job our aristos did partitioning the Middle East back in the day – such fun! We’re still playing with it!) A century or so ago, those who could afford to travel had no need of passports or visas, and had no customs to face on return. They just came and went as they pleased. They still do.

    As for those historians who reckon the “Great Game” ended in 1895, they are surely playing down the fact that, in WWI, the Russian Czar, the German Kaiser and the British King were three cousins from the same family (“The Royal Houses of Europe”). Not so much a World War, more a family squabble! Ten million dead? That’s OK, it’s not the aristocrats getting killed, or the bankers, or anybody important, and it all helped develop even better weaponry for next time. These leopards do not change their spots. The “Great Game” never stopped.

    So, behind? Probably not. Guilty? As sin.

  11. E.M.Smith says:

    @Steve C:

    Don’t know if it was unclear, but “nominally” was meant to say “in name we are independent but in reality maybe not so much”…

    Yeah, “The Royal Family” of Europe had a neat monopoly for a while. Russia got put in the dog house when they extirpated that Royal pod… Not going to be let out until the allow the new Globalist Enterprise back in, it would seem.

    I do find it interesting that the practice of Royals intermarriage with other Royals seems to have died out (at least with the UK…). One wonders if their episode of “bleeders” taught them something about inbreeding depression of vigor…

    The USA was in a similar doghouse as the Russians for forbidding royalty titles here (see 1812); but we seem to have been welcomed back into the fold after rushing in for two World Wars to help settle things. I suspect there is still a big fear of the two big Deplorables Nations getting together.

    Someone (Churchill?) once said Nato was to keep the Americans in, the Russians out, and the Germans down. What happens when the Germans are running the show in the EU and the USA and Russia become friendly toward each other? Oh, wait, wasn’t that the 3rd Reich…

    I suspect some very wealthy and powerful people are playing a deep state shadow game with all of this. Just can’t see the details from the shadows…

  12. wyoskeptic says:

    My personal opinion is that most nearly all “intelligence agencies” (which I consider to be something of an oxymoron in most cases) identify with each other regardless of government allegiance more than they do with either their governing body or the people they “protect”. In short, MI5, M6, FBI, CIA and all the other three letter/digit agencies actually cooperate with each other following the “unwritten rules” regardless of what might be desired by their governing bodies. This is the “Great Game” in fact. It does not matter if you are talking about the U.K., Russia, China, or the U.S. and all the others, it is the competition between the intelligence agencies which is important. To the Intelligence agencies. Without that “competition”, they have no reason to exist.
    Each agency monitors its own government and manipulates as necessary to keep the “various cold wars” going. After all, if there was no tension between the U.S. and Russia, or China, or others, then what would these “dedicated intelligence officials” do for a living, or do to keep themselves as being important VIPs and experts. They might actually have to work for a living instead.
    So the U.K. may not be behind things as an “official policy”. But as a general policy to keep the importance of the “spy” agencies, yes there is more than likely a lot of fingerprints all over what is going on. There may not be a completely “formal” cooperation between all the agencies, but I would be very willing to bet that that if you could sort out all the fingerprints over the “Russia collusion” et al. that is going on, there are very few intelligence agencies that would be found to be NOT INVOLVED in any way.
    Power is a very corrupting influence upon most people. Knowing what all the secrets are of everyone around you, that is even more enticing and more corrupting. Combine the two and you have what is going on in a nutshell.

  13. Tom Bakewell says:

    DamnifIcansee what we or anyone else gets out of a presence in Afghanistan. If ever a wall needed building it would be around Afghanistan. Or wait, let’s just send Our Man in Havana there for quality on the ground intel. Grumble

  14. Steven Fraser says:

    Wrinkle today in the news: Steele’s sworn deposition transcript in a suit by a Russian Oligarch is going to be provided to congress. Should be interesting.

  15. A C Osborn says:

    philjourdan says: 7 August 2018 at 2:35 pm
    “But it also begs the question – who is interfering with our elections more? The UK or Russia?”

    I would suggest that the Russians had very little to do with it.
    Just go back to pre Election times and re-read the comments from most European Politicians, they were all totally anti Mr Trump, the only person supporting him was Nigel Farage.
    Add to that the majority of those countries also paid Tax Payer Cash into H Clinton’s Campaign Fund and that includes Australia and probably even New Zealand.
    No Globalist leaning country wanted Mr Trump, Clinton was supposed to finish the job that preceding Presidents had been doing to destroy US world influence and bring about the Globalist one world UN policy, which goes right back to “The Club of Rome” and the Bilderbergers.

  16. A C Osborn says:

    ps This is not just US “Deep State”, this is World Dominance Deep State.
    What is so frustrating they are doing most of it completely out in the open, even declaring what their “Agendas” are.
    Just ask anyone you know if they know what the UN Agenda 21, 30 or “Sustainability” actually means.
    I bet you will find the vast majority of them have never even heard of them.

  17. Ian W says:

    It was patently obvious that MI-6 was involved in the development of the ‘Russian’ dossier even before Steele was mentioned. They have a fetish about fetishes so for example anyone who is killed ‘died during an autoerotic activity’ . So when the details of the ‘Dirty Dossier’ were lasciviously detailed by the media – MI-6 authorship was certain. What has to be realized is that not only are the 5I’s international, so is the Swamp as A C Osborn says – CLub of Rome, Bilderbergers and other less well known billionaire and political groupings. Draining an international swamp will be difficult. Those of us with ‘feet both sides of the Atlantic’ recognize the similarities between responses from ‘the Swamp’ on both sides – the same arguments being used – usually ineffectually. So far the only method that ‘The Swamp’ has found effective is delay, see if the clock can be played out – this is true for Trump and the ‘mid-terms’ and for BREXIT. However, even that modicum of ‘success’ for ‘remainers’ and ‘never Trumpers’ may prove illusory. The next 6 months will be very interesting.

  18. E.M.Smith says:

    Yup. Club Of Rome is a very key player (though I think them more an operational group) while the Bilderbergers seem to be the decision & influencing arm. I suspect the real power players are hidden behind the scenes even more than them.

    It is a generational effort ( Club Of Rome started their FUD Fear Uncertainty Doubt campaign about the Running Out!!! scare back in the ’70s and is still pushing it as “sustainability”…) so will take a generational effort to stop them.

    It will not be easy as folks like Soros and the Rockefellers have gathered to themselves huge swathes of the monetary and political power of the world. Typically such abusive power has resulted in overthrow via revolutions ( USA, French, Russian, …) and with massive destruction of economies and lives. I’d hope for a better way.

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