W.O.O.D. – 4 Sept 2018


This is another of the W.O.O.D. series of semi-regular
Weekly Occasional Open Discussions.
(i.e. if I forget and skip one, no big)

Immediate prior one here:
and remains open for threads running there
(at least until the ‘several month’ auto-close of comments on stale threads).

Canonical list of old ones here:

So use “Tips” for “Oooh, look at the interesting ponder thing!”
and “W.O.O.D” for “Did you see what just happened?! What did you think about it?”

What’s Going On?

I’m in Orlando. The Florida Friend is progressing nicely (up and walking around, eating real meals at home) and has a very good prognosis. I’m still on Butler & Chef duty and thinking of posting some “Simple 1 minute to make meals” recipes. Any interest?

Per Teslas: In the time I’ve been driving to and from the hospital and around Orlando, I’ve seen one Tesla on the freeway. Far less than Silicon Valley, but more than I saw anywhere in the Midwest.

in The News:

Looks like a Cat One Hurricane to visit New Orleans. Expect the usual bleating about how extreme it is, despite September being peak hurricane season and this being a Cat 1 for all of a few hours.

Swapping between Fox News, Fox Business, CNN, and MSNBC it is just 2 entirely different worlds. The Left is 100% self absorbed. So much so they haven’t even noticed that Fox is making fun of their identical talking points. Played a series of clips of a half dozen or so news anchors all saying the identical phrase “the walls are closing in on Trump” (IIRC). When folks are broadcasting your stupid and laughing at you, and you don’t notice, well… Let’s just say they are the person with the 3 feet of Toilet Paper stuck to their shoe walking into a formal dining room….

Then, were you to believe the Yellow Stream Media (YSM), Trump is a war criminal who BBQs babies on the lawn of the Rose Garden and cavorts with Axe Murderers between orgies in the Lincoln Bedroom. Just so far around the bend they can’t see daylight from there. Then some of their bigger “whoppers” show up on Fox with what actually happened beside it. One I saw was some talking head on CNN or MSNBC saying “That last Tweet is an impeachable offense”… apparently because Trump (the Boss) said to Sessions (HIS Employee) to do a better job of on some point. Yeah, right, that’s “High Crimes” all right… /sarc;

Looking at the EU, it continues to crack and crumble. Schengen is becoming a joke with border closure du jour as the imported alien mobs move over one country. Slowly the Nationalist Right Wing (even though that’s a half broken term) is being regenerated in mass by the utter stupidity of a Million Illegal Immigrants Too Far. This will not end well for Europe. Oh Well.

The Spouse had always wanted me to take her to see places she’s seen in old movies, like Paris and Rome and Sweden. Now we’re wondering if it is even safe to visit urban centers as a tourist. Clearly London has had issues. Sweden having recent riots and car burnings, trying to catch up with Paris. Norway wondering when their Swedish cousins lost it.

And Here And Now:

Some times it’s a pleasure to just be focused on how to steam a salmon steak and vegetables over brown rice… and how to teach that to someone who doesn’t really have any interest in cooking (but must learn to eat that way or else…) Tonight was Turkey Thighs and acorn squash roasted. Plop on cookie sheet, 350F for 45 minutes in their convection oven, usually more like an hour and a bit. Simple “dump on a pan or in the device and turn it on” meals. Things with a 1 minute prep time and zero skill required; yet taste good and are good for you.

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168 Responses to W.O.O.D. – 4 Sept 2018

  1. ray warkentin says:

    Any cat lovers out there?
    A while ago we had a discussion about carbohydrates. This is not to belabor that issue but is in the interest of pet cats and info for their owners as I love the critters and have two of them.
    Five years ago when I went on my very low carb diet with great success I briefly wondered about the dry food kibbled stuff I was feeding my cats and meant to research it but never got around to it. I had been given to believe that the formulation was a product of research and science. Nothing could be further from the truth.
    Two years ago my cats seemed healthy at 7 years of age but both had become a little plump. Then one day one of the cats appeared to be in distress, was whining a lot, and into the litter box every few minutes. When I checked I saw that he was only doing a few drops of urine at a time every few minutes. It turns out he had non-infectious cystitis with his bladder inflamed as well as the urethra, swollen to the point of not being able to pass urine.This prompted me to finally do the research during which I came across a site maintained by a veterinarian.I also purchased a book titled “Your Cat:Simple Secrets to a Longer, Stronger Life” also written by a vet.

    The salient message of each revolved around food. Feeding your cat dry kibbled food is like feeding a human a diet that is 75% cake and candy with minerals and synthetic vitamins added. It’s what keeps the vets in business.
    Cats are obligate carnivores that in nature only get about 2% carbs. They don’t have the enzyme systems to handle them and the dry food is 50% or more carbs. They also don’t have the enzymes for breaking down the grain protein(gluten) or vegetable proteins in the dry food.

    Our cats originated in the desert regions of the Middle East and have a very low thirst drive. They get most of their moisture from the food they eat. Studies have shown that a cat eating dry food and drinking water only gets about half of the water intake of a cat eating canned wet food. That leaves them very dehydrated and changes the urine ph and composition which then irritates the bladder and urethra wall and causes the problem my cat had.It also causes more mucus production which then mixes with the urine crystals that all cats produce and by the thick resulting goo causes the stone and crystal blockages that cats frequently have. The diet also causes weight gain, diabetes, arthritis, and cancer in cats.

    So I switched my cats to a wet food diet free of grains, vegetables or other starches. The best ones are not the priciest ones and some of the worst are the prescription foods. I feed mine certain types of Whiskas brand as I find they have a better ingredient profile than more expensive ones such as Iams. At first when making the switch I almost had to give-up as it appeared my cats would starve themselves before they would eat the wet stuff. It turns out they spray flavor enhancers on the dry stuff and the cats love it. After 2 or 3 days they started licking the wet stuff and now eat it with relish. They have lost weight and move like cats should instead of waddling.

    Many vets appear to be as ignorant of animal nutrition as doctors are of human nutrition.

    I will paste an excerpt below and then a link to the web site for cat-lovers who are interested.

    “Note: I have stopped using the term “grain-free” since it has become somewhat meaningless. Many companies (e.g., Blue Buffalo) tout that their products are “grain free” but then they just load up the food with high carbohydrate ingredients like potatoes and peas which are not grains but still contribute a significant carb load (and plant-based protein) to the food. The “grain-free” descriptive has become very deceptive and misleading.


    In their natural setting, cats—whose unique biology makes them true carnivores–would not consume the high level of carbohydrates (grains, potatoes, peas, etc.) that are in the dry foods (and some canned foods) that we routinely feed them. You would never see a wild cat chasing down a herd of biscuits running across the plains of Africa or dehydrating her mouse and topping it off with corn meal.

    In the wild, your cat would be eating a high protein, high-moisture, meat/organ-based diet, with a moderate level of fat and with only approximately 1-2 percent of her diet consisting of carbohydrates. The average dry food contains 35-50 percent carbohydrate calories. Some of the cheaper dry foods contain even higher levels.

    This is NOT the diet that Mother Nature intended for your cat to eat.

    Many canned foods, on the other hand, contain approximately less than 10 percent carbohydrates.

    Please note that not all canned foods are suitably low in carbohydrates. For instance, most of the Hill’s Science Diet (over-the-counter) and the Hill’s ‘prescription’ diets are very high in carbohydrates and are not foods that I would ever choose to feed.

    Cats have a physiological decrease in the ability to utilize carbohydrates due to the lack of specific enzymatic pathways that are present in other mammals, and they lack a salivary enzyme called amylase.

    Cats have no dietary need for carbohydrates and, more worrisome is the fact that a diet that is high in carbohydrates can be detrimental to their health as explained below.

    With this in mind, it is as illogical to feed a carnivore a steady diet of meat-flavored cereals as it would be to feed meat to a vegetarian like a horse or a cow, right? So why are we continuing to feed our carnivores like herbivores? Why are we feeding such a species-inappropriate diet? The answers are simple. Grains/potatoes are cheap. Dry food is convenient. Affordability and convenience sells.

    However, is a carbohydrate-laden, plant-based, water-depleted dry food the best diet for our cats? Absolutely not.

    Obligate carnivores are designed to eat meat/organs – not grains/vegetables – and they need to consume water with their food as explained below.”


  2. E.M.Smith says:

    Per cats:

    They also can not produce Taurine (we omnivores and herbivores can). It comes from selected organs. Livers & eyes especially IIRC. So even feeding them chicken meat is not enough. They need the whole critter.

  3. ray warkentin says:

    Taurine in humans is not much talked about because since humans can make it it is considered a non-essential nutrient. But the fact is that as we age our ability to manufacture it diminishes and most older adults are deficient. Since it is important for cell membrane functioning and generation of new neurons among other things I supplement with it. Until recently it was thought that we have a fixed number of brain neurons and could not produce new ones. Now we know that is not true and we continuously produce new neurons throughout life even as older ones die.

    There are a number of substances that our bodies make that decline as we age and I have oriented my supplement use towards remedying that as I am an old guy. Besides taurine these include coq10 in the ubiquinol form, creatine, an nad+ precursor, and ribose.Taking creatine for most people in their twenties won’t do much but for an old guy can be really helpful as it along with ubiquinol are critical factors in producing energy in the mitochondria via the krebs cycle.

    When you exercise vigorously your muscles release a protein which stimulates the production of brain-derived- neurotrophic- growth factor. That’s one reason why exercise is so good for the brain.
    When you combine exercise with taurine, creatine, ubiquinol, and omega 3fats, and a supplement PQQ for short, you have a tremendous impetus for growth of new brain cells as you age. Good general nutrition also helps with special emphasis on the B vitamins and magnesium. Also imperative is good insulin sensitivity or it won’t happen.

  4. R Shearer says:

    I haven’t been to Sweden, but Italy, the UK and France are still great places to visit and still relatively safe. Like anyplace, one has to be aware of surroundings and should avoid questionable situations. London is especially nice with all its free museums and almost understandable language, expensive otherwise, however. If you are on a diet though, it’s a great place to lose a few pounds.

  5. Another Ian says:

    Really BIG Hmmm!

    “Nike and Levis Strauss Political Business Strategy – The Much Bigger Geopolitical and Trade Picture….”


  6. H.R. says:

    E.M. writes: “Simple 1 minute to make meals” recipes. Any interest?”

    Hell yes! You’ve got some foodies, chef wannabes, and nutrition nuts who read your blog on a regular basis. And many of us have taken an interest in your FF (Florida Friend) as he recovers from circumstances that have or could visit many of your regular readers here. We wish him well and a splendid recovery, with many years to contemplate how he got into the mess in the first place. (Assuming a ‘he’. Mrs Smith may or may not balk at a FF, ‘she’. What the heck do I know? 😜)

    So… you got some input from comments here and you’ve got skilz; what have you come up with so far?

    (I still say that a grocery list that translates to “You can do all these different things (in a minute!) if you keep these around.” is a good approach, combined with a list of “all these things.)”

  7. John F. Hultquist says:

    “… acorn squash roasted …”
    This year I’ve got Waltham Butternut squash growing.
    It is not ripe yet, so I’m hoping global warming has kicked in and we don’t get an early radiation frost.
    I’ve grown Acorn Squash and with the same optimistic angst.
    Volume-wise the butternut seem a better value.
    In the low 40s this morning, but the next 7 days appear to be safe.

  8. Larry Ledwick says:

    E.M. writes: “Simple 1 minute to make meals” recipes. Any interest?”

    Sure!, although I can’t think of anything that is actually ready to eat in less than one minute other than pouring breakfast cereal in a bowl, splashing milk on it and dusting it with sugar.

    I am quite happy with something hot to eat withing 15 minutes after I walk through the door at night other than calling the pizza place when I am 20 minutes from home or stopping at Taco Bell.

  9. H.R. says:

    @ray: Cat owner here (and 2 dogs) and inveterate reader of of pet food labels. I have selected the current menu for our critters based on minimal grain additives. I also have noted and agree that the “super premium” foods can be much crappier than run of the mill brands,

    I share your thinking; cats and dogs did not evolve to plant vegetable gardens. More meat is better. for them. I have yet to run across a cat or dog who can hold a decent conversation on vegetable gardening.

    I had a Manx cat that was raised by two Scottish Terriers. He was the number 2 dog in the pack. I tried him on every wet food on the market and he would not eat any of it. (He ate dog biscuits as a treat because the dogs liked them.) Worried, I consulted our Veterinarian and she advised that, “So long as he was getting a good supply of taurine and was a good drinker (of water), don’t worry too much.”

    He once escaped from a coyote, who had him in his jaws, but then a year or two later he was killed while running deer; a very sad point in my life. That was my boy, and the Scotties mourned him as well. He was a staunch warrior lost from the pack. His only goal in life was to bring down a deer for the pack… well, that and naps. He was my nap buddy and if I wasn’t napping, he’d pile in with the Scotties and nap with them. Such an odd little guy, but a fine Scottie… for a cat.

    I also had Siamese cat who was diagnosed at age 12 with diabetes. I came close to killing him a couple of times while I was trying to get his daily insulin shots right, I finally got it right and he lived to a ripe old age of 16+ years. It was amusing to get mail addressed to ‘Blue (Cat)’ as it was auto-generated from the pharmacy’s list of customers. Personally, I think the Medicare pitches were wasted on him, but I think he liked getting mail 😆)

  10. ossqss says:

    Hummmm, one minute meal?

  11. H.R. says:

    @ossqss: Hahahahahahaha! I want one of those phones!

  12. Larry Ledwick says:

    From twitter – what a lot of people are thinking!


  13. Larry Ledwick says:

    My cell phone is good for one out of two.
    – – – Batman no longer answers my calls.

  14. ray warkentin says:

    HR, ya those little creatures can worm their way into your life. I had one that lived to be 20 who was more puppy than cat. He loved to follow me everywhere and his favorite place was in my lap or right beside me with body contact.
    The two I have now, though from the same litter have very different personalities. The one hardly leaves the house while the other one wanders for blocks and stays away for hours. I would worry about him so I got a pet locator gadget that works on radio frequency signals. I sends out a signal and the button on the cat’s collar receive it and replies and the arrow on my gadget shows me the direction with a beep that gets stronger as you get closer. Works well with a range of about a block.
    I have another one from Germany that has a range of about 4 blocks but I don’t use it because it is too sensitive and picks up reflected signals and has you going in circles. It would be good in open country.

  15. Another Ian says:


    California definitely a place to be from

    “A Reanalysis of “California’s climate moon shot” (Grand-Scale Climate Fail)”

    100% ephemeral by 2045


  16. philjourdan says:

    @ray warkentin – Re: Cats

    I have 10 (the most recent – a baby only about 6 weeks old when adopted). Not all canned cat food is the same. You are correct about dry kibbles. But wet food that is not paté, is almost as bad (they get moisture, but it is high in carbs). One of my cats, a 15 year old female, got pancreatitis. She had to go on steroids for a time, and that made her diabetic. So she went on insulin. But we changed her to an all paté diet (not an easy thing when she shares the house with so many), and she is off insulin!

    Cats are like people in that respect. They do not care for the paté as much as they do the “junk food”, but it is better for them. And you are also correct that the high priced stuff is not necessarily better. Mine actually prefer Fancy Feast (not the cheapest, but definitely not high end).

  17. philjourdan says:


    Sure!, although I can’t think of anything that is actually ready to eat in less than one minute other than pouring breakfast cereal in a bowl, splashing milk on it and dusting it with sugar.

    That puts you one up on Millennials. They do not know how to do that! :-)

  18. p.g.sharrow says:

    Quite a long and informational article on the public capabilities of the new Ford Class carriers

  19. E.M.Smith says:

    The one minute to make is about prep time. Most are about 40 minutes to serving (where you can do anything you want while just waiting).

    There are a few “minute to eat” but they are largely based on leftovers. Things like putting cold roast turkey on bread, or cubed on a salad.

  20. H.R. says:

    E.M.: “The one minute to make is about prep time.”

    Buy your FF a twin-turbocharged can opener and you can cut the prep time in half.

  21. H.R. says:

    OK, OK. Admittedly, that last suggestion of mine wasn’t all that helpful, but when you get a chance, please make a posting of your solutions to getting a non-cook to make heart-healthy meals. I realize that it might not be until you return to California and are no longer in care-giver mode.

  22. H.R. says:

    The Tornado F4 Can Opener!
    It doesn’t live up to the hype, but at least the thought is there.


  23. Jon K says:

    Will there ever be a time where Americans can have an honest debate about issues without all these astroturf BS political stunts?

  24. Ralph B says:

    I have been searching for a good can opener…can’t tell you how many we have been through in the last few years. It used to be the cheap all metal can openers were good for at least a year, now they are lucky to last a whole can. I have a P38 but could really use a good old fashioned squeeze and crank can opener that doesn’t drive the lid into the can

  25. Larry Ledwick says:

    I got tired of buying a new can opener every year or so, and looked around on Amazon for a good old fashioned can opener. I’ve been using it for a couple years no complaints (aside from I have to be careful how I put it in the kitchen drawer so the crank handle does not block the drawer closing)

    This is what I use, it will even open the heavy duty #10 institutional cans. Like that F-4 can opener one of the strong magnets makes it easy to fish out the lids.


  26. H.R. says:

    @Ralph B.: I gave up on electric can openers about 10 years ago. I bought manual can openers, but they were made in China and would only last one or two years and that’s only because I don’t open many cans.

    Walmart carries one made in the U.S.A. and I gave $9.97 for it. I think it’s the last one I’ll need to buy. It is solid!

  27. E.M.Smith says:

    The Florida Friend is of the male persuasion. Tended to not cook, and ate a lot of prepackaged stuff and snack foods. Think salami & cheese platter with chips, dip, and nuts. BBQ meats on the weekend, so burgers, dogs, chicken. Some bag-o-salad and ham sandwiches with store package potato salad…

    I’ve shown him how to do less and eat better by cooking a little. Mostly “dump stuff here and turn on”. Some short order cook skills (like this morning we hardboild some eggs while making a breakfast frittata and tea, the hard boiled for future use as deviled egg sandwich and Cobb salad meals)

    So, OK, I’ll start a series on easy cooking. Probably later today as I document what we’ve done so far (have to do it for him as a cheat sheet anyway.)

  28. E.M.Smith says:

    @Jon K:

    No. Never again will public discourse be civil.

    There is an entire industry, including formal training classes, in how to be a petty spoiled brat with ego problems and bad manners. There is no opposing social force. (At the moment)

    The entire political machine of the Left, from communism, to socialist, to the Democratic party push it and endorse it. Universities indoctrinate in it and train it. The Social Justice Warrior mills cranking out self satisfied people of low skill and poor cognitive skill; but able to “feel good about themselves” by “doing something” – even if mindless, rude, and based in ignorance.

    It will not end until police arrest AND courts incarcerate them for years at a block AND the society at large decides public manners matter again. Don’t hold your breath…

  29. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting item here on the on line “personality” Q or Qanon which has caused a good deal of debate and speculation.


  30. Larry Ledwick says:

    A little air craft porn for everyone’s amusement.


    I have always liked the idea of the delta canard configuration of the Viggen. Delta wings have some very useful characteristics as do canard configurations which are highly tolerant of low speed performance.

    I wonder how similar the performance of China’s new J-20 fighter with a similar air frame configuration is ?


  31. llanfar says:

    Looks like TSHTF time: NYT anonymous op-ed, followed by Trump blast and a “TREASON?” Tweet… and notice the FISA docs will be unredacted tomorrow.

  32. E.M.Smith says:

    Saw some chatter on that on BBC news app but it was highly biased anti Trump. Womder what is really goin on…

    BTW, posting this from Brave browser on the tablet. Found in the App Store after another app complained my browser was too old and wanted to instal Apus? Browser (that wanted access to all sorts of private info like contacts and photos…) Oddly, Brave wants access to the microphone and camera: a bit creapy… but I’m ignoring that for an evaluation.

  33. E.M.Smith says:

    In settings, Brave let me block camera and microphone (and other stuff…) so the creapy factor is now removed.. My guess is it is for those annoying “Want to talk to a sales rep. ?” Popups.

    Also, 258 trackers already blocked in about 6 page reads…. I knew trackers were a waste of resources, but no idea it was so many. Looks like the active countermeasures of tracker blocking are worth it.

  34. Larry Ledwick says:

    Hmmm I don’t see any option to block camera and microphone on my system with brave, might be because to the best of my knowledge I don’t have either on my desk top.
    I also cannot find that option on my laptop which does include camera and microphone hardware.

  35. E.M.Smith says:

    Three virtical dot symbol, settings, site settings, advanced, microphone.

  36. Larry Ledwick says:

    Option for microphone does not exist in the latest version of Brave for windows 7 64 bit, maybe will show up in the future.

  37. Larry Ledwick says:

    Burt Reynolds has died at age 82

    Out take clip

  38. p.g.sharrow says:

    My goodness, I remember when Dina Shore first drudge him out on stage on her show, He was quite bashful at the attention she was showering on him! long, long ago…pg

  39. ossqss says:

    Things could get interesting on the East coast. Keep an eye on how things evolve the next few days. Then keep an eye on the following system next week.

  40. p.g.sharrow says:

    Over the last week Kilauea has begun to reinflate, Gas emissions are increasing, and lava has reappeared in the fissure 8 cone. Earthquake numbers are slowly increasing. Many very deep and widespread under the Island.
    Pele is not done with her housekeeping….pg

  41. philjourdan says:

    The latest from the NY Crimes (the “mole” in the administration) is providing a lot of good theater! The latest – Whoopi Goldberg is now saying it smells like fake news! https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/06/whoopi-goldberg-anonymous-nyt-op-ed/

    It just keep getting better as the YSM stumbles over itself proving it is fake news! Even if the story is legitimate, the left is now looking at the media with a jaundiced eye.

    And all Trump has to do is sit back and laugh!

  42. p.g.sharrow says:

    @phil; Woopy brags that she doesen’t think with her brain, she uses her “Gut”. Is she pointing to that Op-Ed as an administration plant? That would take some deep thinking. More likely that “fake news” plant is New York Times being pawned by Anonymous….pg

  43. jim2 says:

    Woodward book = Russian Dossier 2.0
    NYT anonymous piece = Russian Dossier 3.0

  44. corsair red says:

    @Larry Ledwick:
    Thank you for the Viggen link. Enjoyed that very much.

  45. philjourdan says:

    EM – Congratulations on 100k comments!

  46. p.g.sharrow says:

    Yes, It appears that Elon Musk is having a break down. It is easy to be a winner when you start out as a winner with lots of money and fame. But, if you stumble it is a long way down and the fall from fame and fortune will last a long time. Much of the Musk “Empire” if built on smoke and mirrors and a lot of hot air. At some point the air in his balloon would deflate,
    Musk thought he would squeeze the shorts last month and now it is their turn to destroy him and his empire, What a waste…pg

  47. jim2 says:

    Mac malware – from the article:

    The researchers found that Adware Doctor collects data about its users, particularly browsing history and a list of other software and processes running on a machine, stores that data in a locked file, and periodically sends it out to a server that appears to be located in China.


  48. Larry Ledwick says:

    Catastrophic failure at a Venezuelan power plant – video clip
    Power surges take out connected systems as well.

    This also gives some idea of what the moments after an EMP strike would look like. as systems go into cascade failure and massive power surges find shortest path to ground.

  49. Larry Ledwick says:

    One of the good things about periodic arctic melting episodes is that they reveal archeological finds that have lain undisturbed for hundreds – thousands of years (see Ozzie the ice man)


  50. Larry Ledwick says:

    Looks like Florence will track to make a direct hit on the southern Atlantic coast.
    Probably too far north of you to be an issue EM but the Carolinas may have some problems.

  51. Larry Ledwick says:

    US Navy is preparing ships in Hampton Roads to get underway to avoid Florence underway at sea.


  52. Another Ian says:

    “The FBI omitted from its application to spy on Carter Page the fact that Russian spies had dismissed the former Trump campaign adviser as unreliable – or as one put it, an “idiot” – and therefore unworthy of recruiting, according to congressional sources who have seen the unredacted document.

    The potentially exculpatory detail was also withheld from three renewals of the wiretap warrant before a special government surveillance court. The warrants issued by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court allowed the FBI to spy on Page and others he was in contact with for almost a year, the sources also confirmed.”


  53. Larry Ledwick says:

    Lots of busy sailors in Hampton Roads and adjacent areas tonight.

    Taking on fuel and water for ballast, canceled shore leaves and securing shore facilities. This is nothing unusual however with twitter it is now visible outside the Navy community.


  54. Larry Ledwick says:

    Here is the predictive radar plot from the 1200 Z model 9/8/18 on Weather tap.

  55. ossqss says:

    From Levi’s site using HWRF-P. Not sure if it will work or not.


    Some models are now showing a 48hr loop over NC after landfall. That would not be good at all…..

    Much of this will become much clearer by tomorrow night. Quite a complex interaction going on which includes the remnants of Gordon, which will mess with some of tomorrows NFL games for you fantasy fans.

    The following system (Isaac) is the one to keep an eye on for FL.

  56. ossqss says:

    Apparently the link requires blob as part of it to work and WP is not liking it. Try cut and paste.

  57. ossqss says:

    Nope, must have been cashed in the browser. You can make your own from the same site here.


  58. jim2 says:

    I’m thinking the FISA judge may well be a globalist who didn’t really care much about the evidence. It will be nice when we know the judge’s name and can dig up some history.

  59. ossqss says:

    Another great tropical analysis from Levi. I should have just posted this instead of wasting the space above…….

  60. Power Grab says:

    @ Larry Ledwick re: “Catastrophic failure at a Venezuelan power plant”

    Whaaaaat? That’s fascinating, but I thought things like that would happen if an EMP hit (e.g., another Carrington Event).

    When power plants fail, I thought things just went off.

    What am I missing?

  61. Larry Ledwick says:

    At the far end of the transmission line it might be a simple wink out, but more likely a series or surges then lights out. Near the power plant you have the whole electrical capacity of the generation system which has to some how get dumped to ground as the generators lose their load, over speed and then blow up components like transformers.

    In the case of a power plant the generators continue to turn – you cannot stop them suddenly, they have to spin down. As the transformers and other equipment fails, you have damage caused by “power follow”. The initial surge creates an arch between previously energized conductors and ground, then the system power follows that arc. It takes a while for the system to fully come down to zero. In the process a lot of stuff gets fried, lots of huge voltage and current spikes.

    If you think about it you have hundreds of miles (thousands really) of power conductors that are charged to high voltage, and like a giant capacitor, even if the link to the generator fails it will take seconds or more for the whole system to discharge to equilibrium. If there is still connection to the spinning generator it has to spin down to zero or totally melt down before the current stops.

    You also have the overheating and explosion of transformer oil causing major fire balls as large oil cooled transformers over heat and super heat the oil.

    It is like a huge high pressure water system just because you kill the pump it still takes time for the pressure to go to zero.

    Because electrical pulses reflect when they hit a dead end you will also have current and voltage surges bouncing around in the circuits for some time as the system dies.

    video clips 5 transformer failures

    failures that result in a prolonged stable arc that does not trip out circuit breakers

  62. philjourdan says:

    @jim2 says: 8 September 2018 at 12:36 pm

    “Mac malware – from the article:”

    Self inflicted, eh? :-)

  63. A C Osborn says:

    jim2 says: 9 September 2018 at 1:51 am
    We already know most of the names and they are Obama people, no surprise there.

  64. Larry Ledwick says:

    Weather tap predictive radar 09/09/18 12Z model shows Hurricane Florence should make land fall near midnight Friday around the northern boarder of North Carolina and southern boarder of Virginia.

    Basically just south of New Port News and Hampton Roads / Virginia Beach area on the leading right side of the storm. Explains why the Navy has been making prep for sortie to sea for ships in that area.

  65. philjourdan says:

    Crap! I do not have time for a bitchy woman!

  66. Larry Ledwick says:

    From twitter:
    Eric Holthaus @EricHolthaus
    Hurricane #Florence Update, 9pm:
    The afternoon GFS and experimental FV3-GFS are now locked in to the rest of the weather model consensus — landfall near Wilmington NC as a Cat 4, and then a stall overland for 4+ days.

    The result: Catastrophic rainfall of 24-36 inches in NC/VA.

  67. H.R. says:

    @Larry Ledwick says:
    8 September 2018 at 6:17 pm


    Great link, duuuude! I love that stuff!

    I hit that link and more (that were in the article) and more( that were links in the links), and more (links in comments in the links).

    (Did I mention that I love that stuff?)

    Anyhow, I just got back from visiting my wife’s cousin in Michigan (my “cousin-in-law”) and he has taken an interest in minerals and ores to make jewelry.He has grinders, polishers, off-the-shelf necklaces, rings, earrings, keychain, etc.settings and he takes gem stones and mineral stones and makes jewelry from them. Fine and good. Nice hobby.

    He and his wife went up north of where they live in Michigan (Holland) to the copper mines of Michigan to get some ore from the mine tailings for jewelry and for the fun of touring the old mines and the old mining ghost towns. He was only vaguely aware of the history of copper mining in Michigan.

    Anyhow, Larry, in those links to links, to links in the article you linked there was a link in comments to the arguments that the Minoans of the Minoan civilization were trading for the copper from Michigan as far back as 9,000(?) years ago. Some interesting evidence for and against.

    Apparently, the Great Lakes copper deposits were so pure that smelting wasn’t necessary. Nuggets of 50 and 100 tons of fairly pure copper were uncovered. A Minoan trading ship was found with copper ingots that had a purity that argues for origin in the Great Lakes. The arguments are of course bitter and ongoing.

    The arguments also feed into our speculation about ancient boat-making technology and who was going where (Minoans? North America?), which we hashed out in a thread that ran a few months ago. I think we here are ahead of conventional thinking with our appreciation of, and willingness to concede that boat-making was easier and more advanced than the current archeological establishment allows.

    Anyhow, that link was a veritable gold copper mine of further fun links. Mrs. H.R. and I will probably be meeting up next summer in Michigan with her cousin and his wife to go get some copper and copper ore for jewelry making and to tour the mining ghost towns and prehistoric mining sites.

    My advice to the rest of the readers here who have an hour or two or three available; follow that link Larry provided and explore the other links that crop up in linked articles or in comments in the linked articles (It’s that E.M. “I don’t exactly remember how I got here” thing.)

    For others whose interest may have been piqued, just search on “history of copper mining in Michigan” and you’ll get links to articles on modern and ancient findings regarding Michigan copper mining. Both are fairly interesting.

    Thanks, Larry! That was a serendipitous comment you made.

  68. Larry Ledwick says:

    Glad you found it useful – I also often got link mining on a good article like that and its associated stories. Many times down a layer or two you find something very interesting that some one else has dug up doing pretty much the same thing.

    I was commenting just the other day to a coworker how neat it would be if you could follow an object like that back to the moment it got dropped there and learn its back story.

    If only I had a time machine it would be so much fun.

  69. p.g.sharrow says:

    Mr. Smith’s little council of elders is a most valued resource. Larry brings forth a cornucopia of connections to knowledge and information.
    This “Net that covers the World” brings all of humanities information into a place where all can participate. A bit scary, no?…pg

  70. Larry Ledwick says:

    The wind field displayed by windy.com is interesting, it is a fantastic tool to watch a hurricane approach landfall. By using the slider on the right you can look at slices of wind flow at various altitudes too.


  71. llanfar says:

    @Larry- Windy has an iOS app. It currently shows Florence continuing on through NC and dying. I really hope that is the case as I need to go from RTP to Smithfield, Va Friday through Monday to be with my wife dealing with her passed parents’ house sale. If it stalls, I’m likely better off here to keep our 3 cats in food and water (already picked up 2 large cases of Aquafina – no fluorine).

  72. Larry Ledwick says:

    Weathertap is showing land fall likely around 6:00 am Friday morning, then quickly dropping to cat 1 storm.

  73. Larry Ledwick says:

    Florence summary from a former NASA meterologist and what worries him about this storm.
    LIke Harvey in Houston torrential rains after landfall may be a significant issue.


  74. Larry Ledwick says:

    In other news – President Trump closes down the Washington DC office of the PLO


  75. Larry Ledwick says:

    High Rez radar prediction of Florence just prior to landfall.

  76. Larry Ledwick says:

    I am seeing lots of chatter on twitter that Florence might be one of the most severe hurricanes to ever hit the eastern coast line (mostly due to catastrophic flooding after land fall)

    Just make sure you have considered your risks if that is the case.

    From twitter:
    Eric HolthausVerified account

    OK you guys, my intention is not to scare anyone with this message.

    But Hurricane #Florence—the storm bound for North Carolina—is going to be about the size of North Carolina when it arrives.

    This is what it will look like, according to the latest high-res model prediction:

    And it will likely arrive as a Category 4 — and potentially become the strongest East Coast hurricane landfall in recorded history, with sustained winds of >140mph.

    Here’s what that will do:
    “Most of the area will be uninhabitable for weeks or months.”


    *After* that, the latest weather models predict #Florence will stall out for four days — similar to what happened to Hurricane Harvey last year in Texas.

    Much of North Carolina & Virginia could be dealing with their worst flood in history.

    Again, this is the current forecast.

    It will take a week or more for all that rainwater to drain from the hills and mountains, channeling record-setting rainfall into rivers and streams—scouring away homes and highways in floodplains along the way.

    Harvey’s flooding was very bad. Florence’s flooding could be too.

    The vast majority of deaths + damage due to hurricanes is from water, not wind.

    Storm surge — the wall of water pushed ashore during landfall — is the leading cause of death.

    Inland flooding from heavy rains is #2.

    Florence will have extremes of both.


    Take time right now to call your friends and family who live in the Carolinas and Virginia. Offer help to those who need it. Check in on your neighbors. Be kind.

    Hurricane #Florence will likely be one of the worst storms in U.S. history. But you can help to save a life — now.

  77. Larry Ledwick says:

    If you live in the area that expects flooding after landfall it might be useful to capture map information to help you pre-plan your actions. Using the first link you can zoom in on exactly the area of interest and do a screen capture so you have a local copy of the area most important to you.


    This link allows you to locate all the maps for an area.

    Mytopo (dot) com also allows you to basically create a custom map of the area you are interested in. Either as a screen capture or they will custom print it for you.


  78. Larry Ledwick says:

    If you live in the coastal areas you should be able to chase down FEMA flood zone maps here:


  79. E.M.Smith says:

    FYI, I’m back in California now…

    I just got here at about 7 AM this morning.

    “Only” 61 hours this time… I stopped to smell the roses a few times ;-)

    I’ll catch up as soon as I can, but right now I need a nap 8-}

  80. E.M.Smith says:

    Oh, and yes, part of the timing came from Florence cutting off the coastal / north route.

    Add in flooding up north that was going to drain out south potentially closing some roads.

    Figured best to get while the getting was good and before things started closing again.

    FWIW, FF is doing nicely. Looked like I’d accomplished what ought to be done and highest use for me was back here…. in California.

  81. Larry Ledwick says:

    Nice to hear you are back home with no “adventures”!

  82. H.R. says:

    If you would have remembered to pack the kayak, you wouldn’t have had to worry about high water on the roads. On second thought, I suspect that might not work the way I picture it.

    Glad to hear your FF is doing well. Let’s see if he can stick to what you taught him. Oh wait… about the time he might start backsliding into old eating and cooking habits, you should be back out that way to put him back on track. It’ll all work out just fine.

  83. H.R. says:

    There are three more tropical storms in line behind Florence. I wonder if they will just follow along and pound the East coast or if they’ll start spinning north into the Atlantic?

  84. Larry Ledwick says:

    Current plot is for one to make a hard turn to the north and the other to track due west and skim the north part of South America and the southern Caribbean.

  85. E.M.Smith says:


    Interesting thought… Not only is the media wondering if it’s a fake leak, it would be a stellar play by Trump if it were. More red spots for the media cats to chase ;-)


    One of the bits of evidence for North America being the origin of so much copper is just that no old mine big enough to have supported the Bronze Age has been found in Eurasia.

    It ought to be the case that careful isotopic assay would fingerprint the ingots and objects.

    IMHO it’s almost certain Phoenician (or similar) ships were trading copper to Europe from the North American source and keeping it secret. With the collapse of their empire the Bronze Age collapsed with it. (Likely a climate driven collapse…)

    @Per Florence:

    I was looking at the projections, and assessing the (Great!) status of my Florida Friend and realized it was best to be on the Left Coast sooner rather than later…

    Yeah, I need to return in a few months for “follow-up”… maybe by air though! 8-)

  86. jim2 says:

    IIRC, there’s a Brit on board. Can you or someone explain how Boris Johnson has any chance of implanting himself in a position with enough power to matter?

  87. Larry Ledwick says:

    If anyone wants to chase down flood hazard maps I found the link to retrieve them.


    Zoom in to your area (it takes a while for the over lay to appear so be patient) you may have to click on the map near your point of interest to get it to load.

    Display very slow right now probably due to load from folks subject to Hurricane Florence.

  88. Larry Ledwick says:

    Any folks interested in human interest stories related to air craft.
    From twitter
    A young woman (17 years old) that earned her pilot wings the hard way, had her right main landing gear fall off the airplane as she took off on her solo flight. With the help of a ground instructor kept it together and got the plane down in a successful crash landing.

    Actual audio tracks for ground – pilot conversations

  89. E.M.Smith says:

    Per transformers and power plant failures:

    We had a 750 kVA transformer to run our Cray. The waste heat was dumped via a 16 x 16 foot water tower fed with a 4 inch water line… That’s a lot of power. You can see such transformers in places like shopping malls feeding the mall.

    Now look up stream at the switch yard. Many such transformers fed from one spot. Then up stream again to the power supply.

    There are millions of Watts of power just looking for a path to ground. Nothing in the way but a bit of insulating material.

    Then consider that WHEN the breakdown happens, the feed line to that transformer expects to see a flow of 3/4 MegaWatt to a full MegaWatt and will have no reason to engage protective measures at that rate of power. It has no clue that power is going into melting the transformer, vaporizing oil, and arcing & sparking instead of running a shopping mall.

    Similarly, a power plant that is generating that much power has a lot of that power in the form of rotating mass in the generator. Even if protective measures are starting to engage, that power in that gigantic rotating mass (and the steam / fire / combustion chamber / nuke core behind it) is still there and still expected to “go somewhere”. It is not usually sent to the cooling apparatus (that is designed only to take the waste heat percentage). It’s got to go somewhere. Earth and air are sometimes all that exists to “take it” once the apparatus ceases proper function and starts arcing, sparking, and disintegrating.

    It’s just the difference between an orderly shutdown that doesn’t dump that energy uncontrolled, vs the catastrophic disassembly of uncontrolled megaWatts headed down the shortest fastest path. That’s why so much effort goes into having the grid shunt things off line when faults are discovered; to turn potential catastrophic disassembly into controlled isolation and shutdowns.

  90. Another Ian says:


    “If you would have remembered to pack the kayak, ”

    Big kayak to portage a Merc

  91. Larry Ledwick says:

    Rain forecast model for current projected behavior of Hurricane Florence.

    Looks like the area north and west of Wilmington North Carolina will get socked with torrential rains over the days surrounding land fall.

  92. cdquarles says:

    Where I am, Florence is not likely to be an issue. A normal extratropical baroclinic system passed through overnight. These systems go around highs and toward lows. The area that I am watching is the one in the western Caribbean and is headed toward the Yucatan. Depending on conditions, that one may be a big blow. History says that this kind of a system will go NW into northeastern Mexico or Texas or come north and into LA, MS or AL/western FL panhandle. Once we get into October or November, then these systems often hit cold fronts and then go the central panhandle of FL or across the central FL peninsula.

  93. H.R. says:

    Another Ian says: 11 September 2018 at 6:54 am

    “If you would have remembered to pack the kayak, ”

    Big kayak to portage a Merc [Plan A]

    I was visualizing E.M. getting the kayak off the roof, attaching a tow strap between the kayak and the car, and then paddling like hell to get across the flooded roadway. [Plan B]

    Then I started to see some flaws in that scenario. 😜

    However, given a large enough kayak, transporting his car in the kayak would work. But then there’s that pesky expense of hiring an “oversize load” car to precede his rig. So I think E.M.’s Plan C, “Avoid the possibility of high water altogether,” was probably the best option, despite Plans A and B being decidedly more entertaining.*

    *Entertaining to us. I suspect that E.M. or anyone else would not find “paddling like hell through a raging torrent while towing a car” to be all that entertaining.

  94. Larry Ledwick says:

    Food for thought on social structures and governance from Nassim Nicholas Taleb on twitter:

  95. cdquarles says:

    He’s right. History shows it. God -> man -> family(ies) -> tribe(s) -> nation(s). Everything that requires groups to function successfully are functionally corporations. Be fruitful and multiply, lest ye be replaced. We, in the West, need to get back to basics, conform our perceptions to reality and start making babies and birthing them, then quit coddling them. I did my part in the making and birthing, but only recently have accepted that our society is dysfunctional, in part, due to coddling children instead of guiding them properly so that they become mature, productive adults. For those errors of judgment that I made, back then, I confess my sins and ask for forgiveness.

  96. H.R. says:

    Whoopsie! That bold was supposed to end after the first “paddle like hell”.

    I was getting ready to run the Mrs on an afternoon of errands and hit the Post Comment button without even checking if it posted. (I’ve only used a WP ‘mystery word once or twice’, so I always expect my comments to appear.)

    Oh well. At least the comment shows better on the screen.

  97. E.M.Smith says:

    @Another Ian:

    Tee Hee ;-)

    Subject, Object, decisions decisions ;-)


    Do they make motorized kayaks?…

    I’ll fix the bold for you. FWIW, sometimes folks DO put the close bold marker in, and WordPress will go ahead and add another bold open after it (only seen when I’m in the editor looking at the HTML text). So sometimes you will think you forgot to do the close, but really you did…

  98. E.M.Smith says:

    Put your medical records in your cell phone, and let developers and vendors globally have access to them. What could possibly go wrong?…


  99. Another Ian says:

    How to win friends and influence people – or an extra for the “It seemed a good idea at the time” list ?

    “Oh My – Canadian Foreign Minister Left NAFTA Negotiations To Attend “President Trump is a Tyrant” Conference…”


  100. jim2 says:

    I missed this completely. The FISA judge that approved the spying “was recused.” From the article:

    “I learned over the weekend that he (Contreras) did not recuse himself. He was removed from the case. Now the question for any good reporter at the Washington Post – the alternative universe in DC – is ‘why was Judge Contreras removed from the case by either the Chief Judge or the DC Circuit?’ Have you seen a story written about that? Isn’t it interesting how people in the press are not interested why the one judge who has taken a guilty plea in this case was removed from the case?”

    The timing of the recusal is curious, to say the least, especially in light of some of the tidbits that have slipped out recently over the contents of the FISA memo compiled by Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee.

    Contreras sits on the FISA court. He was assigned to that court in May 2016, months before the FISA warrant was granted to the FBI to spy on members of the Trump campaign and the Trump transition.


  101. jim2 says:

    Sara Carter’s take on the same FISA judge. This from way back in March.


  102. Jon K says:

    test gab.ai
    comment keeps getting blocked

  103. Jon K says:

    test gab
    comments keep getting blocked

  104. ossqss says:

    Another great analysis. After watching the ensembles shift significantly this afternoon, the weather guys have to be pulling their hair out.

  105. Jon K says:

    Well, apparently you can’t type the full name for gab because of wordpress reasons. Anyway, they’ve been removed from Google’s store for hate speech (censorship)


  106. Larry Ledwick says:

    If you have interest in short wave listening:

    WarMonitor @TheWarMonitor
    2 minutes ago
    Maritime Mobile Service Net: 14.300 MHz
    SATERN: 14.265 MHz (http://www.satern.org/)
    Hurricane Watch Net: 14.325 MHz (day) 7.268MHz (Night)

    Local emergency groups may also activate if needed in their area. Do not transmit on these frequencies unless authorized.

  107. ossqss says:

    Florence is currently becoming asymmetrical. Let’s hope it continues.


  108. ossqss says:

    Dang mobile keyboard strikes again..

    [Reply: Fixed it for you. -E.M.Smith]

  109. Larry Ledwick says:

    In the totally fun category we have the vacuum cannon.

    updated vacuum cannon video

    I can think of ways to improve this design. For one thing he is trying to create a situation where air rushes into the evacuated barrel as fast as possible, yet the breech end of the barrel is a simple square cut tube. Aerodynamically that is a horrible design because the effective opening for the air to rush into is much smaller than the physical opening due to flow around the square edge.

    He should put a smoothly radiused trumpet flare on the breech end of the barrel to create a smooth flowing entrance orifice that does not choke flow as it tries to refill the tube.

    The other interesting option would be to borrow construction methods from light gas guns which drive a large piston which in turn pushes a smaller diameter piston (will have to ponder that idea)

    Click to access 20160011956.pdf

  110. philjourdan says:

    “Put your medical records in your cell phone”

    I do nothing from my phone except make calls and use GPS. No banking, no “Master pass”, no medical, nothing. If I lose the sucker (or it is stolen), I do not want to worry about someone getting into that stuff.

    Yes, I know about email. fortunately, nothing is left on the server either.

    I trust Apple more than Google. But I trust Satan more than Apple.

  111. philjourdan says:

    @ossqss says on 12 September 2018 at 2:19 am

    Ensemble – another term for meaningless average.

    Ensemble is a hedge. As in statistics, you get “95% certainty” but the other 5% is the hedge. What they do is feed the model different inputs (ok, weather is variable) and then average the outputs! So they will be 60% correct most of the time, and 100% correct none of the time!

    So of course it changes. While probably not good for a professional reputation, the truth is that they should put the BEST input into the model and then take that output. Then compare it to reality. But they want to be kind of correct most of the time instead of dead on some of the time (and completely off the rest of the time).

  112. Jon K says:

    Another vacuum cannon design…

  113. ossqss says:

    @ Phil on ensembles.

    I hear ya on that. But when the NHC puts out stuff like this (talk about CYA), I look elsewhere for refinement and the ECMWF helps some :-)

  114. llanfar says:

    @Larry That sun pic is not real. Ref. http://www.solarham.net and http://www.spaceweather.com

  115. ossqss says:

    Hunters currently in Florence. This should update as they progress. She is not a formidable as was anticipated right now. STill has a ways to go however. The latest is for this to stall, head SW and come into Georgia if you can believe it.

    Current NHC cone which will probably change at 2 or 5 EST.


  116. ossqss says:

    Note- the satellite background image of the storm continues to update and move over the time the plane is in the storm. Hence the appearance of a disconnect with dropsondes and the center.

  117. H.R. says:

    @Jon K: Punching a Nerf dart through a 1/2 inch pine board is impressive. I suppose the next thing to be banned will be assault Nerf guns. 😜

    @Larry: Uh-oh. A compact PVC vacuum gun would not be picked up by metal detectors. Somebody will take that idea and run with it.

  118. Larry Ledwick says:

    @ llanfar Which sun pic are you referring to?

    The zero hedge solar disk in visible light images above the video is undated so have no clue when that was taken.
    If you are referring to that, – Yep Zero hedge used an undated representative image of the sun to illustrate their (hole forming leed) using sun spots — bad science but typical of semi-technical journalists.

    The the subject of the article is the coronal hole which can only be seen in beyond visual range imagery and is clearly shown in the video and in the coronal hole image in your link.

    This is from one of your links.

    Left side of the page.
    Coronal Holes: 12 Sep 18

  119. Larry Ledwick says:

    On the vacuum gun I am thinking that the way to do it would be to use a large diameter low weight discarding sabot as a carrier for a small diameter more durable and aerodynamic dart.

    Then drive that with a light gas driven by the vacuum gun piston into a nozzle feeding the barrel for the light dart, should easily get up in the mach 2 range. Would be a bit hard to conceal ;-) and slow to reload.

    As noted the flow rate would be increased if you pre-heated the light gas.

  120. Larry Ledwick says:

    High res image of Hurricane Florence storm structure (looking down the eye from space.

    Hurricane Florence Eye structure


  121. Another Ian says:

    Viewed from afar

    “This gibbering idiot is the US Bill Shorten – and likely to lead the majority party in the US House of Reps in a few weeks”


  122. E.M.Smith says:

    @Another Ian:

    I spent some of this afternoon having a semi-polite conversation with a rabid Progressive. I was at the tire store having my wheels re-balanced (as they had blown the balance when I bought the tires some months ago).

    He opened the conversation with “I HATE those people” and a vague point at the TV in the lobby running Fox News. I asked “Fox?”. His reply “Republicans”.

    I proceeded to state I was a libertarian and got accused of being a Republican, but was not. Then asked why he hated Republicans. What it came down to was “They hate minorities and women and folks with disabilities and don’t want to hand out free stuff and medical care to the poor.” (That is almost verbatim.)

    I spent a little while pointing out that a forced extraction of money via the guns of government was not a “contribution” to the poor… and pointing out that if you don’t make a profit overall as a society you are Venezuela in no time. He understood it, but felt it was the wrong priorities…

    Above all else he was feeling that it was the collective responsibility of anyone with money to take care of anyone without enough, no questions asked (or answered).

    It was rather enlightening. I’d never met a Pelosi / Boxer clone up close and personal before (though this guy was an old white guy, he was a political clone). There was ZERO room for discussion. ZERO room for reason. Almost ZERO room for exchange of views. Basically if you were not happy “contributing” to taking care of everyone else, you were a scumbag and evil with no soul and no compassion and did not deserve to live.

    I now appreciate why The Left can not be participants in discussions, only in street riots / theater. It isn’t about thought, it is only about anger and emotions and hate / envy / greed.

  123. Another Ian says:


    Ain’t education a wonderful thing? Or it used to be.

  124. ossqss says:

    @EM, just curious, was the guy you talked with on entitlements, disabled, or a current or former drug addict, and single?

  125. E.M.Smith says:

    He was an immigrant from England, used to Socialized Medicine, and had been treated for Throat Cancer with radiation and drugs. Complained about the cost of one of his drugs being $9000 / something… month? Yet there he was alive and with his drugs somehow not bankrupting him so much he could not buy a new set of tires… My guess is his insurance paid for the drugs but he resented even paying for insurance coverage. In his 70s. I could not bring myself to point out that in the UK, since his expected lifespan and productivity were low, he’d not be able to get the drugs under any conditions…

  126. E.M.Smith says:


    Only a few minutes into that video, but already I’m just sooo glad Google never responded when I sent them resumes a decade or so ago…

  127. Larry Ledwick says:

    On a lighter note:

    Everybody should be aware of the waffle house index of storm recovery

  128. ossqss says:

    @EM, you are correct. At that age diagnosed with cancer in the UK, all you get is pain killers. So,,, he is an illegal alien then! LOL

  129. E.M.Smith says:

    He was a legal immigrant. Retired from work at NASA for a few decades. Just started in the UK.

  130. H.R. says:

    @E.M.: You should have pointed out that you are not yet of retirement age and are unemployed and would, really, really appreciate it if he would pick up the tire tab since he has the money for $9,000/ month in drugs, you expect him to pick up your tire tab. It’s the least he could do.

    We all know how that would go. “No, no, no. Not MY money. You should get some of other peoples money.”

    Whatever happened to taking care of yourself? And if that wasn’t possible, calling on family. And if that wasn’t possible, relying on your neighbors. And if that wasn’t possible, relying on the church. And if that wasn’t possible, resorting to robbery to feed your family. And if that wasn’t possible, killing yourself before you’d ever consider accepting “charity.” Then, and only if you couldn’t kill yourself, you’d accept a handout.

    That attitude only passed away completely with my grandfather’s generation and was still prevalent in my father’s generation. It’s still around in our generation (boomers) but is not overly common.

  131. Power Grab says:

    @ Larry Ledwick re “If you think about it you have hundreds of miles (thousands really) of power conductors that are charged to high voltage, and like a giant capacitor, even if the link to the generator fails it will take seconds or more for the whole system to discharge to equilibrium. If there is still connection to the spinning generator it has to spin down to zero or totally melt down before the current stops.”

    Ah so! I never realized all that was in play. Around here, all I ever deal with is loss of power during the Easter cantata (due to a squirrel going where he/she shouldn’t) or driving to work and seeing the squirrel drop dead to the ground from a power pole after touching something he/she shouldn’t…then I get a call from our people in the building nearest that pole about some stuff not working…and tell them I saw the squirrel that did it.

    Pretty low level stuff, huh? :-)

    It makes me think of the stories I’ve read about EVs that wrecked, caught fire, were put out, then towed, then caught fire again, then were put out again, then caught fire again. You get the idea.

    Huh! I don’t even know enough about this stuff to be dangerous!

    Anyway, thanks for taking the time to explain that. Also, thanks for the cool links, too! Amazing stuff!

  132. H.R. says:

    An additional note on charity: I grew up in an area that had quite a few people who came up from Kentucky and West Virginia to get jobs. I had young friends and knew their parents and they “would not accept charity.”

    This was before “The Great Society” and my mother, a devout, good Christian woman who put no faith in preachers or churches, but only in the Bible, had a way to do charitable works without making the recipient feel like they were receiving charity. We were not well off ourselves (I got my first pair of non-hand-me-down jeans in 9th grade. I remember going to J.C. Penny to pick them out. Bright blue, not denim blue.), but there was always someone who needed help more than us.

    We’d pile in the car with a bag of basic groceries – beans, macaroni,some canned goods, and maybe some veggies… and some ice cream. We’d stop by to visit some family (generally known from church) that was truly in need of food; true hunger. Well we’d all go in for a visit and, “Oh my Gosh! We’ve gotten to talking and we’re not going to make it home before this ice cream melts!”

    So we’d dig into the grocery bag and break out the ice cream and share that to “keep it from going to waste.” Then mom would say something to the effect that she bought some things that were on sale. so cheap it was almost stealing, and got a little carried away and had too much, really, to take home. Would it be okay if we left some there? “Well, we don’t need anything, but if it will help you out…”

    That’s how I grew up. It was your responsibility to do what you personally could do to help others. No matter how bad you had it, someone else was always in worse shape. It was NOT the responsibility of the gubbermint.
    While typing all that, it just occurred to me that my mother lied. To the best of my knowledge, I never knew my mother to tell a lie other than the polite, “That hat (or dress) looks lovely on you,” and now I remember this. Call it a lie or a polite charade, and she warned us before we went in to play along, but there was no other way she was going to get those people to accept a bag of groceries. They would not accept charity.

  133. Power Grab says:

    Re cat nutrition: Check out Pottenger’s cats. I haven’t read about them in depth, but I think the gist of it is that they should eat the way ray warkentin says.

    I’m a member of both the Price-Pottenger Foundation and the Weston A. Price Foundation.


  134. H.R. says:

    @Larry – “Om the lighter side…” [Waffle House index]

    It’s just like the ADP reporting you mentioned earlier in the thread. The Government reports are constrained by rules and sources and restrictions and proscribed methods that were developed and imposed for political reasons, not necessarily to inform the public, and more likely imposed to push out disinformation.

    I’ve heard labor reports on “news at the top and bottom of the hour” and the news reader will say that the Labor Department says ‘Foo’ about labor statistics while ADP says ‘La.’ I always believe ADP over the official statistics.

    Now I’m pretty well convinced that when disaster strikes, the people at FEMA do have a heart but the use of their brains is constrained by rules, procedures, and flow charts. I don’t automatically accept their reporting.

    I was heartened to see that FEMA had the sense to refer to a metric that is, after thinking just a short bit about what it takes to keep a Waffle House open and functioning at various levels from ‘lights on and coffee’ to ‘full service,’ probably pretty darn accurate compared to the data that must be collected according to the FEMA policy manual.

    I’m inclined to go with ADP or Waffle House reports before I have to resort to swallowing government reporting.

  135. Larry Ledwick says:

    They would not accept charity.

    Yep common in my fathers generation, sometimes you had to ask them for a favor and then find a way to pay them for their time, there had to be a pretext of quid pro quo or no deal.

    I remember as a kid we lived on a hill and my brother and I would watch people get stuck on the hill during snow storms and then go out and help them by tossing some sand under a tire or give a bit of a push or teaching a newish driver to ride the brake lightly so the off side wheel did not spin uselessly.

    Many times they offered to pay us for out help and most of the time we refused (only took the money if they were stuck because they did something stupid) but you did not take advantage of people in trouble.

  136. E.M.Smith says:


    I was more interested in not having a fight in the lobby ;-)

    FWIW, I too grew up in a place with a lot of people who “would not accept charity”. The common dodge there was to find some work you needed doing and get their help… Protests over being paid too much were much easier to overcome. There was also the “invite them over for dinner” and then it would be bad manners not to accept. There was also showing up with ready to eat meals, saying you were hungry but didn’t like eating alone… and would they be willing to eat with you as you just couldn’t wait… (Bucket of chicken kind of thing…) Hard to refuse “helping” you feel not so alone…

    Ah, a different world then.

    I remember my Dad buying some new tires and asking an itinerant family (living in their old Packard) on the crop picking circuit if they would “get rid of” the old ones for him. (Their tires were bald and threads showing – illegal now – and this let them get usable tires for free…)

    @Power Grab:

    Just as an FYI, for “typical” power poles and such, the big fat lines on the bottom are 220 VAC (can range a bit each way and up to 240 VAC) and are connected to the house. There are three of them and between two you get the 110 / 120 VAC nominal outlet volts.

    Next lines above them on the pole are smaller lines at higher voltage. Common is about 2,200 VAC (or a 10:1 jump up). The big grey cans on the poles turn the high volts into the household volts. (The small grey cans are capacitors to adjust the “power factor” or lead / lag of volts vs amps in their respective sine waves).

    All those top wires collect at bigger area wires of about 22,000 VAC and at local substations that’s fed from up to 220,000 VAC. (As rough numbers, then can vary some from system to system). Major grid interconnects can be even higher volts.

    In extreme cases, regions can be connected with a DC (Direct Current) link. This is more efficient and it means you don’t need to synchronize the two regional grids. It is also quite expensive:

    The Pacific DC Intertie (also called Path 65) is an electric power transmission line that transmits electricity from the Pacific Northwest to the Los Angeles area using high voltage direct current (HVDC). The line capacity is 3,100 megawatts, which is enough to serve two to three million Los Angeles households and represents almost half (48.7%) of the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power (LADWP) electrical system’s peak capacity.

    Yes, 3+ Gigawatts(!)

    That’s the expected flow. Only if it goes beyond that would things like breakers kick in. What do you think 3 Gigawatts would do to, say, a car?….


    The Pacific Intertie consists of:

    The Celilo Converter Station which converts three phase 60 Hz AC at 230 to 500 kV to ±500 kV DC (1000 kV pole-to-pole) at 45°35′39″N 121°6′51″WCoordinates: 45°35′39″N 121°6′51″W.

    The grounding system at Celilo consists of 1,067 cast iron anodes buried in a two-foot trench of petroleum coke, which behaves as an electrode, arranged in a ring of 2.02 mi (3,250.87 m) circumference at Rice Flats (near Rice, Oregon), which is 6.6 mi (10.6 km) SSE of Celilo. It is connected to the converter station by two aerial 644 mm2 ACSR (aluminum conductor, steel reinforced) conductors, which end at a “dead-end” tower situated at 45.497586°N 121.064620°W.

    A 846-mile (1,362 km) overhead transmission line consisting of two ACSR conductors each 1.6″ diameter in cross sectional area (1,171 mm2 ).

    The two lines when combined have a capacity of 3.1 gigawatts (in bipolar mode).

    The Sylmar Converter Station (34°18′42″N 118°28′53″W) which converts DC to 230 kV AC (a process also called inverting) and is phase-synchronized with the L.A. power grid.

    The Sylmar grounding system is a line of 24 silicon-iron alloy electrodes submerged in the Pacific Ocean at Will Rogers State Beach suspended in concrete enclosures about one meter above the ocean floor. The grounding array, which is 30 mi (48 km) from the converter station and is connected by a pair of 644 mm2 ACSR conductors, which are in the sections north of Kenter Canyon Terminal Tower at 34°04′04.99″N 118°29′18.5″W installed instead of the ground conductors on the pylons. It runs from Kenter Canyon Terminal Tower, via DWP Receiving Station U (Tarzana; a former switching station), Receiving Station J (Northridge) and Rinaldi Receiving Station (also a former switching station) to Sylmar Converter Station. On the section between Receiving Stations J and Rinaldi, one of the two shielding conductors on each of two parallel-running 230 kV transmission lines is used as electrode line conductor.

    So that is a 1000 kV or 1 MV system. Think a million volts can light something up? 8-)

    So if the right stuff goes POOF! that Megavolts and Gigawatts gotta go somewhere… and that’s just ONE of the parts of grid…

    “Quantity has a quality all its own”…

  137. Larry Ledwick says:

    We have a DC – DC tie up in eastern Wyoming that ties the east and west northern grids together. Texas runs its on independent grid as well but I don’t recall where it ties into the two other major national grids.

    You can also estimate line voltage by counting the ribs on the insulator ( I don’t recall the rule of thumb off the to of my head ) but I have a lineman’s hand book that shows how to identify lines based on the insulators used.

    My brother and I once “accidentally” touched a portable CB antenna to an 18.250 power line. I warned my brother and the other guy we were with that it looked like our antenna was real close to the lines but they ignored little brother and assured me the power lines were much higher than our puny little antenna.

    For some reason I put on my leather gloves before I grabbed the mast, (which is why I am here today chatting with you), my brother only had one hand on the mast and his foot was very close to the base of the mast. The mast took most of the current but he got blown off the mast. When I saw the flash and heard the BZZZZZZZZZZZZZ sound I leapt flat footed about 12 feet and rolled clear of the mast. That mast hung on that power line for about 30 seconds with an arc about 12-18 inches long shooting out of the ground before it melted and fell to the ground. The power line hardly noticed that small increase in power draw.

    My brother had some minor burns but he suffered through it – he was not willing to explain to my Mom how he almost killed his little brother, so he told her he had stubbed his toe and limped around for a while.

  138. H.R. says:

    The common dodge there was to find some work you needed doing and get their help… Protests over being paid too much were much easier to overcome.

    I don’t recall dad ever helping out that way. I grew up in a neighborhood with “too many kids and not a lot of money.” I do recall that I can’t recall anyone hiring contractors. When a neighbor had a project dad – and others – just showed up. Same for dad’s projects. The neighbors showed up to help paint the house, raise the sides and the roof of a pretty slick storage shed dad designed, and we did a re-roof.

    There was also the “invite them over for dinner” and then it would be bad manners not to accept.

    I forgot about that one. Mom would do that now and then.

    There was also showing up with ready to eat meals, saying you were hungry but didn’t like eating alone… and would they be willing to eat with you as you just couldn’t wait… (Bucket of chicken kind of thing…) Hard to refuse “helping” you feel not so alone…

    I don’t remember either of my parents using that one, but I can recall a few times when someone stopped by with their “bounty.” I’m beginning to suspect that we may have been on the receiving end of the ‘help chain’ a few times when things were a little short; 4 kids, one income, an unexpected hospital bill or something.

    I do know mom and dad got some babysitting help from (now that I think about it) families we helped that had older girls. I’m beginning to put 2 and 2 together. 😜

  139. Larry Ledwick says:

    I know we got some help not sure if it was “necessary” or just being a friend but our family dentist was a really nice guy and like to hunt but only himself and his wife at home, so he would go elk hunting and if he bagged anything he would give my parents a front shoulder off the elk. When I was in my teens needed dental work (braces) and some dental surgery to pull down two teeth that did not come in properly. He refereed me to an orthodontist friend of his who was working on a new way of doing it and I was one of his research guinea pigs.

    I think the dental work was free or nearly free in exchange for him documenting how his method worked by taking pictures and casts as he corrected the location of those teeth.

  140. Rhoda Klapp says:

    As far as the drugs go, your interlocutor may have been right. My insulin habit costs me zilch in the UK, diabetics get free meds. The NHS pays £30 for a pack that last me 50 days, so £220 pa. That pack sells in India for £20 equivalent. In the US it is $700. This is just insulin. My supply would cost $5000 in the US. Your drug companies are ripping you off. We had this recently on a w.o.o.d thread. Insulin is not a new drug, this is not a new formulation, but Eli Lilly has tripled the price in recent years. Pity you didn’t get the name of the drug the man was buying for $9000. Probably costs tuppence here.

    The NHS is neither as awful as some people think, nor as wonderful as it thinks itself. Poor health care at high prices is easily available in the US.

  141. cdquarles says:

    @ Rhoda,
    I disagree with that, somewhat. TANSTAAFL. Someone *has* to pay for the R&D for new drugs. The tax supported parts of that are a small fraction of the total. The people able to do it and mostly willing to do it are US, the US citizen. Almost no one else does. If the rest of the world weren’t so jealous of us and not so eager to steal from us, they’d be willing to shoulder more of the burden. All of those “discounts” that the insurance companies and governments “negotiate”, in the end, get reflected in the top line charge.

    I am going to use myself as an example here. Three weeks ago, I threw a clot from a vein into my lungs. it nearly killed me. The total top line charge for all of that was about $170,000. Every one of the suppliers of the service has to charge a ‘high’ price in order to get the actual cash that they need to continue operating. The amounts of the charge that they get in cash, from my insurance company and myself will be just a few thousand dollars, with me ultimately paying about one thousand dollars. I’ll have to pay that in installments. That’s right, in some cases, the suppliers will get 10 cents on the dollar. And you wonder why ‘costs’ are so ‘high’.

    In the aftermath, I was put on a blood thinner. This one is relatively new. It is commonly prescribed, in part, because its side effect profile is somewhat less risky than older drugs. It will cost me $200 a month, yet, since I am retired and on a small pension, I can’t pay that at the moment. I’ll need to pay off some other obligations that I currently have and were made before this incident. So, for now, I get the meds ‘free’. Someone else is paying that cost, so I say “Thank You” America, for that.

  142. H.R. says:

    I’ve mentioned before that my wife had a stroke in 2008. She was put on coumadin for the blood thinner. It wasn’t particularly expensive, but it requires close monitoring; blood work and Dr. visits.

    She is now on Xaralto, a thinner that only requires checking up every 6(?) months. Maybe it’s every 3-4 months, but anyhow, it is much better and safer than the old warfarin and coumadin.

    Because we’re now ‘fixed income’ the maker of Xaralto has a program that subsidizes her insurance copay. I think it would be about $200/month but the manufacturer’s “coupon” brings it down to IIRC $26/month.

    Our pharmacist told us about the program and helped us to get in on it. Check with your pharmacist and see if you can get similar help from the manufacturer.

    The new blood thinners are much safer than the old standbys, but they are indeed very pricey.

  143. philjourdan says:

    It was rather enlightening. I’d never met a Pelosi / Boxer clone up close and personal before (though this guy was an old white guy, he was a political clone). There was ZERO room for discussion. ZERO room for reason. Almost ZERO room for exchange of views. Basically if you were not happy “contributing” to taking care of everyone else, you were a scumbag and evil with no soul and no compassion and did not deserve to live.

    Make it personal (As you say, Venezuela is too global for him to understand). Ask him what he is doing there? And when he says getting new tires (or whatever), ask him why he is wasting money instead of giving to those who have less? They always want to spend OPM, but never see their money as OPM. Until it is gone by force of arms.

  144. Larry Ledwick says:

    Update on the Hurricane status
    Florence outer winds will begin impacting the coastal areas this morning, window for people to still evacuate and move away from the coastal areas is rapidly closing. The storm will come ashore this evening and into tomorrow morning and nearly stall as it makes a left turn and moves down coast for a bit dumping significant rains in some areas.

    Evacuation area maps from SC emergency management

  145. E.M.Smith says:

    Ah the drug pricing game…

    Back in the ’50s and ’60s each drug had a price. If you needed help there was welfare and charity organizations. Then TPTB decided on a little indirect Socialism. Have those Rich People with Private Insurance pay a LOT so you could give the drugs for free or cheaply to those in need. This generalized to low low low prices for places like India (sometimes even below cost to produce) and high high high prices for US Citizens with Private Insurance and / or Government Insurance.

    Eventually of course the dodge and weave of costs kicked in. When I was working in Patient Accounting sometime in the ’70s (IIRC) The Government started to attach rules and riders and laws that they would pay no more than anyone else. Then Private Insurance started to get in on that act too. More folks left the “Soak me I’m rich” pool and nominal prices had to rise even more to cover all that R&D & Profit and all. This only accelerated things.

    So now you “pay” full inflated balloon, no Dirigible sized prices; but someone else reimburses you the part you can’t afford, all so that the lowest price “paid” is very high and those clauses don’t kick in on the drug price to the Government & Insurance companies.

    Now had there been no such move to Closet Socialism and 3rd party of the costs, we’d not have insane list prices that almost nobody pays. But we do.

    How to fix it? Simple: Require that there be one and only one price for a drug world wide from any one drug company. They set it too high, alternatives will be found (and 3rd world countries will buy zero). Let drug patents run out on time instead of granting all sorts of extensions.

    But then the ROW (Rest Of World) would have to pay their fair share of R&D and the “Soak the rich American Insurance companies” would fail… so that won’t happen. Instead we’ll get global Socialized Medicine, little new drug R&D, and denial of drugs and services unless you can show a good ROI on keeping you alive to Der Kommissar…

  146. philjourdan says:

    @CD & Rhoda – there is also the malpractice insurance costs that ratchet up the costs of both medicines and care. You cannot go an hour listening to the radio (and I am sure it is the same on TV) without some ambulance chaser telling you to call them so you can join the class action suit for Medicine/procedure XYZ. That is not free money. It has to come from somewhere. And that somewhere is in the costs.

    When Obama passed Obamacare, economists told him he was missing the 2 biggest cost factors. Malpractice and Crossing State lines. He ignored both for 2 reasons. #1 – he wanted it to fail so that Single Payer could be forced on us. And #2 – most tort lawyers pay democrats big money to not kill their cash cows.

  147. cdquarles says:

    @H. R., As I said, I’m getting them, for now, free. Who’s paying? Everyone else, for now. I’m getting samples via my physicians, who get them from the maker, where the cost is a part of the marketing budget. Again, America, I say to you: “Thank you”, since far too many who should say that, won’t, plus, I am grateful for the generosity granted when I asked you for it.

    In my case, it is possible that I’ll only have to take these for 6 months. That’s my next cardiology appointment time. I am very aware of the fact that there are times when “stuff happens” and it isn’t anyone’s fault.

    @phil, I know way too much about ‘malpractice’ costs. The lawyers have quite the racket going. “Justice” in the USA, today, follows the ‘golden rule’, sadly. Which rule? He who has the gold, rules. If you find yourself in the justice system here, and you do get justice; be very thankful.
    See: https://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594035229. That’s just the Feds. That does not count states and municipalities. We are over-lawyered and over-lawed. Tyranny by “good intentions” of the tyrants, indeed.

  148. cdquarles says:

    Oh, another thing, Rhona. The insulin of today is not the insulin of 60 years ago. That insulin was either from cattle pancreas or porcine pancreas. That insulin would far too often induce an immune response to it and that often was something awful to the person affected. Today, the insulin is fully synthetic human insulin, either extracted from bacterial colonies engineered to produce it or directly synthesized by machine. Now think about the difference in costs involved with the old animal extract and today’s sources. Plus, we are talking injected here, so any kind of contamination, whether from toxic doses of chemicals or toxic doses of microbes isn’t tolerated. Consider the cost of ensuring purity.

  149. Another Ian says:

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  150. ossqss says:

    This is a pretty impressive burst of convection. Note the time stamp on this comment as this auto updates and will eventually disappear.


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  152. E.M.Smith says:

    FWIW I’ve opened a new thread for Hurricanes as they start their damage phase. This thread is getting slow to load …


  153. Larry Ledwick says:

    This sounds ominous – makes you wonder about hacking of infrastructure possiblities.

    Mass State Police
    ‏Verified account
    Follow @MassStatePolice

    Updated plotting of confirmed fires and explosions by MSP Watch Center. 39 locations confirmed thus far. Number will grow. New responses ongoing. Reminder: all residents of Lawrence/Andover/N Andover who have Columbia Gas must evacuate, as should anyone else who smells gas.

  154. E.M.Smith says:

    Looks to me like someone over-pressured the gas distribution line and that blew out some old or weak fittings, some of which then found an ignition source.

    One hopes they don’t have an internet connection on the pressure controls…

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  156. Larry Ledwick says:

    Just got passed this by a friend from Reddit

    Columbia Gas is one of two major gas providers in Massachusetts. They announced today they were beginning a project to upgrade 7000 miles out outdated gas lines. The work began today in this area.
    I started watching WCVB at about 6:05 EST. They announced 10 structure fires/explosions. By 6:25 they were up to near 100 in 3 towns. Fire apparatus have been requested from surrounding areas, some are just showing up without being asked.
    People were going into their basements to turn off the gas to see flames coming out. All gas and electricity is being shut off in Lawrence, Andover, and North Andover.
    Edit: WCVB just interviewed a natural gas expert. He said it’s unprecedented and he said it sounded like a failure of a system that depressurizes the gas to a level safe for homes. He also said gas only ignites between 5-15% saturation in air. So even though the fires are out now, there is still a risk as homes/businesses that had over 15% saturation could ignite as it lessens. That’s why they shut electricity off, to help avoid any risk of ignition.

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