W.O.O.D. – 21 October 2018


This is another of the W.O.O.D. series of semi-regular
Weekly Occasional Open Discussions.
(i.e. if I forget and skip one, no big)

Immediate prior one here:
and remains open for threads running there
(at least until the ‘several month’ auto-close of comments on stale threads).

Canonical list of old ones here:

So use “Tips” for “Oooh, look at the interesting ponder thing!”
and “W.O.O.D” for “Did you see what just happened?! What did you think about it?”

What’s Going On?

It is only a bit over 2 weeks (16 days) to the USA Mid-term Elections. We’ve still not had any significant “October Surprise”. I’m not sure at this point if they tried and it was just all too weak to be noticed, or if it is still hanging in the wind waiting for the last Friday before the election so it can dominate all the news until that Tuesday.

Fauxcahontas fell flat. Physically attacking and “public shaming” of Republicans has achieved nothing but bad press for the Democrats. Shutting down “social media” for anything conservative and / or pro-Trump has just left a very bad taste in the mouth of ALL the folks who followed them, their hangers on, and everyone they talk to. Folks are abandoning Traditional Media in droves (as it was shown to be in the pocket of the Alt-Left) and now they can just as easily abandon those “social media” sites that are censoring conservative views. (As we’ve already seen a great growth of users at Bitchute, Real.video, Gab.ai and others. Heck, they’ve even gotten me to watch InfoWars and post articles against the censorship. Forbidden fruit and all that…)

It will be a bit fun to watch what “they” try.

The EU is having ever increasing dissension in the member Nation States. Their citizens are beginning to see their planned destruction and are increasingly rejecting that path in their National Elections. The overused cries of “Racist! Sexist! Xenophobic! NAZI!!!” have become useless. Poison in small doses becomes antidote. Lies in increasing measure becomes laughable. It’s still 5 months to BREXIT D-Day (or perhaps its “Free Day” ;-) and the EU is trying to “make an example” of the UK. At best this will assure that anyone else thinking of leaving won’t even try to cut a “good deal” and will just walk away. Italy has just slapped the EU body with a budget that is “against the rules”. EU Watching will pick up apace.

Be it Europe, the vilification of Russia, or the USA instabilities: It seems that all the troubles trace back to George Soros and his “Organizations”. What puzzles me is why so many subsidiary diverse groups are willing to become his tools. Even the Democratic Party has been perverted from the noble group it was under JFK (even if some policies were a bit daft) to the disruptive petty vindictive thing it is today.

Cold has arrived in the USA Midwest and mountain states. It will be interesting to see how cold it really gets this year.

Then the stock markets looks to be prepping for a significant downturn. After what ought to have been a short quick “correction”, it has not rebounded. That’s not a good sign. I suspect artificial downward pressure until November 7th… along with The Fed doing their best to kill it with continued rate hikes.

I’ve tried to watch the regular news, but it is just too biased anymore. Spending huge time on a journalist being killed, nothing on governments being subverted, always a few “Hate Trump” stories. Just both boring and uninformative.

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166 Responses to W.O.O.D. – 21 October 2018

  1. Larry Ledwick says:

    Candice Owens goes ballistic about ICE centers which are better than top tier schools and the totally bogus Narrative of the left, while poor American citizens are totally ignored by the Left.

  2. beththeserf says:

    I’m coming across stuff re the Trilateral Commission. Natch that
    Soros is a member. No wonder Kavanaugh was a target of Deep State

  3. Larry Ledwick says:

    Hmmm very interesting that firefox is blocking direct play of that twitter content above!
    The only thing about that video that might be controversial is that she has a bit of strong language and she is outing the Democrat lie about how ICE is treating undocumented children. You can still get to it by following the link but you should be able to just play the video clip. It certainly has no security issues as implied by the message.

    Short version is that she is steamed that the kids in those ICE centers are in country club accommodations – 24 hour medical care, rooms better than top college dormitories, hair care and styling salon, Zumba classes etc. while the Democrats totally ignore inner city kids who are living in nightmare conditions.

  4. Larry Ledwick says:

    FBI admits that they used multiple undercover informants to spy on the Trump Campaign team.


  5. Larry Ledwick says:

    Another item on immigration in Europe, a look at the Dutch experiment where they will pay out billions of Euros to immigrant populations (many of whom stay on welfare) for the privilege of breeding themselves into minority status in their own country.


    The Europe we know today and classic Europe of recent decades will cease to exist in 50 years.
    They are literally creating a new dark ages in Europe by throwing away all the social progress they made over the last 5 centuries, and setting up conditions to revert Europe to the same sort of brutal 3rd world country almost all the immigrants came from as they refuse to adopt European cultural norms and work ethic. This will lead to the economic collapse of Europe in 2 generations.

  6. Ralph B says:

    Is your “Front Porch” getting smaller? Only 2 posts on the front page.

  7. Jon K says:

    I’d need to do about 2 years worth of research to catch my physics education up with the claims made in this article. Anybody have any opinions?


  8. Sole Public says:

    October surprise – I suspect the migrant army will arrive at our southern border in time for some really bad pre-election optics. Else, the folks who were paying the aspiring migrants would have started earlier…

  9. llanfar says:

    @Sole Public CAT 4 hurricane expected to cut across Mexico soon. I’m not sure if it will intersect (and destroy) the caravan…

  10. cdquarles says:

    The Democrat party has never, in my estimation, ever been noble. They founded themselves on the notion of “a natural Aristocracy”, which at the time was slave owning landholders. They dispossessed whole nations (Trail of Tears). They dispossessed free black slave owning landholders … because … they saw black folk as ‘natural’ slaves. Their egregious aggression started wars. Local then widespread. These were the ‘progressives’ who later subverted, from within, the Republican party (n.b. born as abolitionists in part due to aggressive “democrat” actions to protect slavery ,,, aka the Fugitive Slave acts, among others).

  11. cdquarles says:

    My physics is as rusty as my Russian (40 years), yet that piece read as a public relations press release piece. Very interesting if true, though.

  12. ossqss says:

    @llanfar, it is indeed not going to be good walking weather in that area soon.

  13. John F. Hultquist says:


    Check out the wind power from the BPA (OR & WA).
    Wind is green, at the bottom.
    We’ve got a high pressure system until Tues eve or Wed — then not much wind even then.

  14. Larry Ledwick says:

    The caravan only walks for short periods for photo ops the rest of the time they are bused or trucked to the next public relations show in the tour. So the bad weather will not slow them down all that much, although it could complicate things if they have to deal with storm damage and infrastructure problems caused by the hurricane. It would be a pity if a bridge or two was washed out and they were late to the border.

    When they get into northern Mexico they will probably be protected by the drug cartels so the Mexican government will be completely powerless to stop them once they get up there unless they want to do a full scale military operation.

    I have not seen any specific declaration of where they plan to cross the boarder so not sure what route they will likely take as they move north of Guadalajara Mexico. Brownsville tx, Arizona, California?? California would be the most receptive politically to make a big fuss, but further east in Arizona and Texas they would be more likely to provoke a confrontation.


  15. Larry Ledwick says:

    They are now saying Hurricane Wila is building to a Cat 5 storm.


  16. Larry Ledwick says:

    From twitter – interesting point.
    Laura Ingraham
    3 hours ago
    My listeners agree with Reagan historian Craig Shirley that we shd stop using the Left’s lingo “caravan” and start calling this a mobile mob who refuse to recognize immigration laws.

    Let’s see what would be a good counter point name?

    The Invasion Mob
    Border Crash Mob
    Soros Renta Mob

  17. Jon K says:

    @ CD
    Yeah, it did feel like an ad, but I’ve always had a problem with the standard model and I couldn’t see any obvious flaws so I thought I’d ask some more knowledgeable people who aren’t afflicted by groupthink disease. Thanks for the response :)

  18. E.M.Smith says:

    @Ralph B:

    Yes. As I was loading things up with videos and those bog folks on slow wires or small CPUs (like, oh, me on my R. PI…) I cut down the “page weight” being supplied by default. You can still see everything in the article listing and pick them off one by one…


    Maybe my personal perspective is biased on JFK and the Democrats of that era. He started us to the Moon. Knew to cut taxes to stimulate job and economic growth. Generally seemed interested in helping folks. (Though ‘Bay Of Pigs’ was a bit of a dishonor). He was one of my earliest awarenesses of politics. Essentially I see (saw?) Ike as the last true honorable Statesman, then Kennedy as ‘close enough’ though too short in office to say for sure, and then things start going down hill fast, recovering briefly with Reagan, then resuming the degradation.

    That’s my personal history view.

    The rest must come through the filter of some other person’s writings or interpretation. So at best I can parrot what was spooned into me. It all needs a huge load of vetting that often is not easily done. Near as I can tell, the early Democrats were strongly pro-slavery and anti-black. But were they anti-America? Harder to say. Were they fundamentally corrupt, or simply embedded in an evil system and blinded by their limited perspective?

    Look at Jefferson, who penned the words that inevitably, if slowly, lead to emancipation. “All men are created equal”. Yet ran a plantation with slaves. (Though accounts from the time tend to indicate his “slave holdings” were remarkably loyal to him. One young boy even under threat of death refused to tell the British Officer at the door where his “master” had gone – as Jefferson bugged out the back to escape. I wonder why, if he were oppressed, he’d hold that line. Was it just the “good owner” vs the evil ones? Or was there more depth in the Sally story?)

    Yet he also started the process of “Indian Removal”. Evil? Or trying to find a way to prevent them being murdered in place by a greater evil? Would damning it be condemning a good by comparing it to the unavailable perfect? I can’t say.

    What I can say is that I’ve put up with evils just because I was unable to change them. It is a matter of picking your battles. I’ve not infiltrated an Antifa group. I don’t “leather up” and join the Proud Boys. I’ve not joined “counter rallies” nor hounded Hillary from restaurants. Am I evil for knowing my limits? Is that implicit support? I tend to think not. It is just good management practice to focus your efforts where they can achieve the most and avoid the places that are doomed to failure.

    So given all that, I have to wonder how many folks were really good and honorable Democrats but embedded in a social system that would take a generation or two to change? Since I can’t know, I can’t blanket condemn. So I can condemn the evil, but not the entire class of persons.

    Am I wrong? Could I be effectively brain washed about JFK since I was in single digit to teen years when he was substantially lionized in all the press and treated as a near mythical hero? Sure, I could be. But when I remember the speeches I heard him make, and the things the nation did in response, I don’t remember evil so much as good.

    Then compare that with the Democrats of today. Actively advocating for violence to achieve political aims. Slander for effect. Obvious lying, provable, for effect. Rampant proved criminality, yet not punished due to “connections” in the power structure. Willingly bought (often by Soros). Rabble Rousing at every turn. So am I just suffering from comparing a rosy memory colored by loss of detail of the then-current evils, against a present starkly illuminated (yet similar) set of evils? That could also very well be. Present hurts are always more painful than distant memories (and written works even less “present”).

    I like to think that Camelot was in some way what JFK tried to be. That is an honorable goal. Was it just PR? Rewriting history? Or was it really where he was trying to go? (And did it get him killed by the evil side of the power structure…)

    Well, enough introspection. I try to separate the general context of an era or a place from the character of the groups in it. To look for the noble Senator Of Rome even in the midst of their slavery and subjugation of nations. Maybe that’s my fault… But reading Marcus Aurelius I find a thoughtful honorable man. Do I toss out who he is in his goals, observations, and written thoughts; just because his time was one of slavery, empire, and brutal short lives? This problem generalizes…

  19. E.M.Smith says:


    Since they are largely still stuck at the south border of Mexico, IMHO the hurricane will be well gone by the time they reach middle / north Mexico.

    Could be some debris problems though…

    @Larry L:

    California has a fence, so harder to get over. I’d “vote” for swimming the Rio Grande. You can just walk across it in places and the Texas side has large Mexican populations with some cities conducting all their official business in Spanish. Look at the map of Trump Counties in the vote, see the Hillary Blue along the Texas border. That’s where you get “friendlies” as you cross, so that’s where I’d expect the crossing.

    Invasion Mob. (K.I.S.S. – three words is too many for most folks ;-)

    @John F. H.:

    What green line?


  20. Simon Derricutt says:

    Jon – some of the things he says are correct, for example on Black Body radiation. He’s wrong about radiation not happening inside a body, though – that may be near-field but it has some interesting effects as regards rate of heat transfer. He’s also wrong on a ball of gas not having a reasonably-defined surface – we’re quite happy talking about “top of Atmosphere” when it comes to the Earth. He’s probably wrong about fusion not happening in the Sun, too, since how else does every element get made stating with Hydrogen? On the other hand, fusion is indeed possible and the problem with Tokamaks is that there’s a minimum size necessary to make it work properly, and making something that size is very expensive. There are also problems with the containment lining getting destroyed pretty quickly, but that’s likely to get solved. Lockheed-Martin are promising fusion in less than 5 years, mounted on a trailer and around the 100kW mark, and I’d be inclined to believe them given their history. They’ve never announced anything they aren’t sure of (and not often even then).

    He’s trying to sell his ideas, which are supposed to work at a few thousand degrees and to be possible to build a small lab-scale version to deliver power. If it works at the lab-scale, all he’s got to do is build it and prove it works, and it’s done. Problem is that he probably wants a few $billion up-front for the build, and no-one is persuaded enough to cough up that much. Maybe especially since he’s saying it’s not fusion but *something else* and I doubt if there’s the data to prove that.

    Overall, I doubt if he’s enough right to be able to make something that works.

  21. E.M.Smith says:

    An incredible idiocy of Bureaucrats…

    I just got a “Not going to do my job and not picking up the recycle” notice on my big bin of recycle.

    The reason? A check box next to a blank line with the word “black bag” written in.

    WT? So I flagged down the truck (as it was headed by the other direction and asked:

    “Since when has plastic bags been a non-recyclable?”

    His answer: “It’s been that way for years, just now the City is looking”.

    So somebody had to actually LOOK inside my recycle bin and stick a tag on it just so the truck would not pick it up. (Insides were not disturbed so clearly they had not tried to pick it up and the driver can’t see inside from where he sits).

    Could they have bothered to just send folks a notice a week or two in advance saying “We are now going to stop picking up garbage bags in the recycle”? Oh, no, that would be too effective and not let them “punish” people by having them need to dump their recycle out and sort out the bags…

    Then there’s just that additional point that plastic IS recyclable. If nothing else, it makes a decent fuel. But NOOOoooo… have to put that plastic bag in the landfill. Oh, and when it is windy there will now be a cascade of light paper and shit blowing away as they dump the stuff un-contained into the truck.

    Grrrrrr….. I’m so looking forward to Florida where they are not this stupid.

  22. Larry Ledwick says:

    Regarding politicians I pretty much echo your comments E.M. JFK was actually a lot like President Trump a flawed man who had standards in the important things. He after all prevented nuclear war with the USSR by how he handled the Cuban Missile crisis.

    He had personally seen combat like Ike he knew what war was and what it would do. He was how ever a flawed man (major league womanizer, probably mob connected via his fathers boot legging liquor transport business) but like Putin an unabashed advocate of America. LBJ on the other hand was the stereotypical full contact conscienceless politician – a true Machiavellian manipulator. Keep in mind that FDR was also a Machiavellian manipulator and big government advocate, Ike was just like Reagan a brief interlude in the growth of the deep state. Truman although a democrat also had seen combat up close and personal and knew what we were fighting for, and was not afraid to get in peoples faces to confront those who had other agendas. I don’t believe Truman was in any sense a closet communist as FDR probably was. I don’t think we can give the President too much credit though as in large measure the Presidency is a figure head position without support from congress.

    I think the Democratic party has historically been stitched through and through with wannabe totalitarians, Woodrow Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Clinton all were big government – power of government advocates rather than individual rights and freedom advocates.

    I think JFK was a true anti-communist as I believe Trump, on the contrary I am pretty sure both the Clintons and I know Obama were basically closet communists / marxists (what ever label you want to use)

  23. jim2 says:

    Looks like somebody needs to spend more time at the range …

    All of the employees at FOX 5 are safe following the incident.

    Police say the alleged intruder survived the shooting and was taken to George Washington University Hospital in critical condition.


  24. beththeserf says:

    Re Thomas Jefferson. Declaration of Independence and slavery,
    it’s complicated isn’t it? Did a post on it.

  25. Terry Jackson says:

    This goes back 12 years, but sheds some background light on our current situation.

    ” In a previous post on Suicidalism, I identified some of the most important of the Soviet Union’s memetic weapons. Here is that list again:

    There is no truth, only competing agendas.
    All Western (and especially American) claims to moral superiority over Communism/Fascism/Islam are vitiated by the West’s history of racism and colonialism.
    There are no objective standards by which we may judge one culture to be better than another. Anyone who claims that there are such standards is an evil oppressor.
    The prosperity of the West is built on ruthless exploitation of the Third World; therefore Westerners actually deserve to be impoverished and miserable.
    Crime is the fault of society, not the individual criminal. Poor criminals are entitled to what they take. Submitting to criminal predation is more virtuous than resisting it.
    The poor are victims. Criminals are victims. And only victims are virtuous. Therefore only the poor and criminals are virtuous. (Rich people can borrow some virtue by identifying with poor people and criminals.)
    For a virtuous person, violence and war are never justified. It is always better to be a victim than to fight, or even to defend oneself. But ‘oppressed’ people are allowed to use violence anyway; they are merely reflecting the evil of their oppressors.
    When confronted with terror, the only moral course for a Westerner is to apologize for past sins, understand the terrorist’s point of view, and make concessions.”

  26. E.M.Smith says:


    Very nice read!

    Only 2 small quibble points.

    1) The transaction to buy the Louisiana Purchase was bandied about for a couple of years as the Constitution does not allow buying it. They argued a lot about just what to append to make it allowable. Eventually Napoleon became impatient for the money he desired, as he needed to waste on more European wars, and issued a demand for now, or forget it. Only then did it happen “swiftly” and Jefferson just appropriated the money and did it -despite knowing it was clearly unconstitutional. Choosing “the best destiny” over “letter of the law” and also establishing the precedent of ignoring the very constitution he wrote. So to say this was done rapidly is only true for a very long duration of rapid… ;-)

    2) There is a plausible argument that it was Jefferson’s younger brother, who liked hanging out with the slaves and playing music with them, that was the father of Sally’s kids. Same Y chromosome. There is some controversy around the particular dates and places for Thomas. I’ve not tried to sort it; so only mention this as a known “possible” and a coin toss. Though I prefer to think Thomas & Sally were “an item” and his way of both honoring his promise to his wife while also doing well by her 1/2 sister in ways acceptable at the time – to have married her would have been impossible for him in his society. Probably not worth exploring that muddle in your narrative as it would spoil the flow. But it also explains why the “boy” at the door was not going to give up Jefferson to the British Officer – as it was Jefferson whom he thought his father.

    I suppose for every sentence written about history there is a paragraph more that could be said, just so long as you don’t mind turning a nice few page essay into a 24 volume tome of tedium ;-)

    @Terry Jackson:

    That’s about right. Then there’s the Bilderbergers assault on us of similar notion:

    Click to access SILENT%20WEAPONS%20for%20QUIET%20WARS.pdf

    No idea of the veracity of it, but the accuracy of it is chilling…

  27. E.M.Smith says:

    Well that could be a problem:

    Cascadia often goes a few years offset from Japan, where Fukushima was a “big one”… so a 7+ to 8 range is likely “soon” having a few 6.x size is more likely pre-shock than small swarm…

    Seven Powerful Earthquakes Off Canadian Pacific Coast
    October 22, 2018 by Robert

    “Looks like the Cascadia fault continues to build pressure,” says reader.

    The seven earthquakes, which measured between 6.8 and 4.3, struck off the coast of Vancouver Island, B.C., Sunday night and Monday morning, according to the U.S. Geological Survey.

    The first quake, a 6.6, struck roughly 135 miles (217 km)off the coast of Vancouver Island on Sunday evening. The next one, a 6.8, in the same general area — about 122 miles (196 km) off the coast.

    A third quake measuring 6.5 struck a little further out to sea, roughly 138 miles off the coast.

    Next cane three more quakes, all under 5.0, and on Monday a 5.2 hit near the area of the first quake from the night before.

    Wonder what the Chinese off shore sensors showed ;-)

    WHEN Cascadia does The Big One it is likely we lose Portland Ore and Seattle Wash. in one go.

  28. beththeserf says:

    No wonder I come hear, EM a serf respeckful of yr breadth. Jefferson and
    pragmatism, (evidence doesn’t appear to point to J’s brother re Sally and
    children) … making the best of a difficult situation, but then, she’s just fifteen
    and he never acknowledges his children. It’s fascinating because he is a
    great man… I have the Letters btw John Adams and Thomas Jefferson,
    two giants, like George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. What a history,
    Oh say can you see by the dawn’s early light/ Is the star spangled banner
    still standing.

  29. Larry Ledwick says:

    Item on twitter:

    Christopher Holton @CHoltonCSP

    35 yrs ago today Iranian-backed Hizballah, operating under the protection of Syria, carried out the largest Islamikaze attack ever, targeting US peacekeepers in Beirut. 241 US Marines, soldiers and sailors died. Neither Iran nor Hizballah have been made to pay for this act of war.

    Islamikaze attack – – – I like that term I think I will adopt it for Jihadi attacks

  30. Larry Ledwick says:

    A new conservative news aggregator (like a more conservative Drudge Report)


    Sufficiently a threat to be shadow banned by the usual suspects including wordpress – so it is only natural that I should use a word press blog to bring this to your attention ;)


  31. cdquarles says:

    To our gracious host, I am a bit younger than you are, but not by much. JFK is a bit of an enigma, in my view, of Democrats. So is George Wallace, but for different reasons. My view is colored by Lyndon Johnson, for he, along with said George Wallace, dominated my political awakening, begun by my grandparents. I know more about said Wallace, since I did get to meet the man and I met and worked with others who knew much more of his previous history. Nearly all of that history is simply not known, and likely won’t be. Then I did my own research. I leave Jefferson out of this, because his party died, to be replaced by John C. Calhoun’s party. Andrew Jackson is another enigma, too.

    That said, all of these were men and nothing more than men, given a temporary position of authority. They are all flawed, just as we all are. Some rose above their flaws. Others didn’t. JFK’s time was cut short, so we’ll never know more than what we know happened. We do know that the press covered for JFK in a way (and Johnson) that they didn’t for others.

  32. Larry Ledwick says:

    A process well known to anyone who has ever had an air conditioner or a refrigerator – fresh water from the air wins an Xprize for a high efficiency process to extract ambient water vapor from the air to produce fresh water from renewable energy sources.

    People with no practical experience do not realize that atmospheric water is abundant and a waste product produced by lots of common processes, you only need to work out a way to capture it and store it.

    Common sources of atmospheric water capture:
    air conditioner systems
    compressed air systems ( they have to remove water build up to have dry compressed air)
    refrigerators and freezers


    The one down side of this system is that it is designed to work in high humidity environments it would be a rare day in Colorado summer time that the ambient humidity would be high enough to reach their low design limit of 40% relative humidity.

    What are the ideal working conditions for the Skywater machines?

    The ideal relative humidity is between 40% to 100% and temperature between 65F to 105F. The volume of water is based upon 80% F and 80% RH. Anything more will yield additional water production and anything less will also reduce less water than the benchmark. Accordingly, the quantity of water production will increase or decrease based on the temperature and humidity conditions known as the dew point.

    That said, in some locations arrangements could be made to increase humidity of the intake air by passing it through a humidifier stage fed with non-potable water from some other source so that natural evaporation in a dry atmosphere augments the prevailing humidity. Likewise harvesting water on a time clock where you only run the system in the early morning hours when humidity tends to be highest and shut it off during peak heating of the day when dew point drops.

    Likewise with a humidity sensor trigger turn the system on high during high humidity periods such as after a rain storm or during cool foggy mornings.

    In water critical locations you must have at least 2 liters of water a day to survive (preferably a gallon a day [4 liters]) so that sets the low bounds of how much water is absolutely needed per person in a dry environment.

    Augmented with other zero energy input capture systems like rain capture, most of the world can be completely water independent for basic needs.

    For example here in Colorado high plains an environment that borders on desert conditions during dry spells, we get typically 15 inches of precipitation per year. The roof of a 1000 sq ft house would receive 9350 gallons of water a year in rainfall and snow. For a family of 4 that is 6.4 gallons of water a day. Plenty to live on, although you are not going to be taking long hot showers but at subsistence levels it provides all the water you “need” to survive.

  33. John F. Hultquist says:

    WHEN Cascadia does The Big One it is likely we lose Portland Ore and Seattle Wash. in one go.

    From: https://pnsn.org/outreach/earthquakehazards/tsunami

    The Cascadia Subduction Zone (CSZ) produces great (>M8) earthquakes that are capable of generating large tsunamis that periodically threaten the coasts of British Coumbia, Washington, Oregon, and Northern California. The average reoccurance interval for these great earthquakes is between 400 and 500 years. Most, perhaps all, of these CSZ earthquakes produced tsunami waves. The last great earthquake here occured on January 26, 1700 and produced a tsunami that took lives in our region and across the Pacific along the coast of Japan and elsewhere.

    Look for the big event to be M9 or so. WA’s island communities (Ocean Park, Long Beach; on sand about 20 feet elevation) will likely not survive. These places have just a few thousand permanent folks, but many tourists. The major PNW places are at less risk.
    Very recent (scary) article here: Temblor
    However, Portland is 65 miles and Seattle 95 miles from the direct coast. The resulting tsunami will not do much damage at either place. Puget Sound has its own series of faults and should the CSZ quake trigger others under the City of Seattle or elsewhere in the region, quake damage could be considerable. Death, damage and regional issues compound.
    Things such as bridges, power lines, gas lines — if many go — will make for a deadly serious and nationally costly recovery. See this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_refining_in_Washington_state

    We live 100 miles east of Seattle. Our gasoline comes from Billings, MT (pipeline to Moses Lake).
    Yes, it could be carried to Seattle (amount questionable), if the bridges and roads remain.
    If only the CSZ quake goes, that surface infrastructure likely will remain, but major ruptures on the local faults could take enough out that, in the short term, getting goods in or people out will be difficult, if not impossible.

    East of Seattle there isn’t a place large enough to be of much help until Chicago.
    Portland’s safety valve is San Francisco.

  34. E.M.Smith says:


    Yeah, I always snicker at those Great Leap! water harvesters. Just AC optimized for water collection. (I suspect some heat recycle is the big “feature”). FWIW I like this one:


    The idea behind the process is simple. It combines two unlimited resources – sunlight and seawater – to provide ideal growing conditions for crops in hot, arid environments.

    The innovation utilises the cooling and humidifying power of water vapour produced from evaporating salt water. Using modeling and simulation techniques developed in collaboration with our partners at Aston University, we are able to process local climate data to predict greenhouse performance and inform the design. The combined effect of reducing temperature and increasing humidity, together with providing a protected environment for crops, results in up to 90% reduction in evapotranspiration. This to greatly reduced irrigation requirements, which can be provided by desalination, and improved growing conditions.

    As a result operating costs are lower, yields increase, and farmers can benefit from year-round production of high-value horticultural produce.


    One model I saw earlier had a solar evaporator / seawater condenser to create the fresh water for irrigation.

    This one uses solar powered reverse osmosis:


    The Australia project began in 2010 and marked the first project with commercial focus. Falling input prices and increasing efficiency, particularly of solar PV and reverse osmosis desalination technologies, as well intensification of water-stress and drought worldwide made Seawater Greenhouse a unique business opportunity. The project began as a 2000 m2 pilot facility near Port Augusta and now, under new owners Sundrop Farms, has scaled up 100-fold to 20 hectares.

    In another one they use brine for cooling but then take it to full dryness salt as yet another product. Here’s a paper about it:


    So essentially their inputs are sunshine and salt water and the outputs are food, water, and salt.

    Kind of makes that whole “Running Out!!!” scare silly when it comes to food and water.

  35. Sole Public says:

    This is the second time this week I’ve seen mention of the Trilateral Commission. Jordan Peterson said in his October Q&A that he would be meeting with them…Hmmm.

  36. E.M.Smith says:

    NBC News report on the “caravan” mob says they intend to go a couple of hundred more miles then “get on a train” to the California border at Tijuana. IF that is true, then they are looking to play the California Sanctuary State card and give Gavin Nuisance, er, Newsom a motivating point for his run for Gov. of the State.

    So I could see Gov. Brown, lame duck fruitcake, asserting the Feds can’t come in, can’t federalize the National Guard, can’t get any help from the State, etc. etc. The whole “resistance” thing.

    Perhaps with a few thousand U.S. citizens blocking the US troops access to the border crossing points. Making it a domestic riot instead of an invasion prevention.

    Mexico has said they will start rounding up folk “real soon now”… so in a little while we will know if Mexico is serious or just putting on a show. (Pretty easy to halt a train, board it, and check all the folks on it… one officer / door is not a lot.) If the Mexicans “fail” to get these folks to halt and apply for asylum, then we know Mexico is just putting on what they hope is enough show to keep the money coming.

    Amazing how much ABC, NBC, etc. are playing up the ‘false claims’ aspect per Trump – expressing great sympathy for a mob of thousands invading over the border. Asserting it jus’ growed and couldn’t possibly be anything organized by NGOs for political effect…

    Sure it is… just ACCIDENTALLY arriving on the border on election day…

    These are all just poor innocent Mom’s and babies yearning to be free… /sarc; just ignore all those military age young men shouting “No border, no wall, no USA at all!” and burning American flags (film is out there…) Just the kind of folks we want moving in next door, right?

    Given the number of folks who are doing A/B compare on YSM claims you would think they might have a bit more awareness of getting caught in The Big Lie. CNN even trying to make love of your country “racist” and “alt-right” by claiming that is what Nationalist means. Well, no. It just means you are advocating for YOUR Nation. ALL Americans – whatever race.


  37. llanfar says:

    @Terry Jackson

    vitiated – nice word.

  38. Larry Ledwick says:

    One view on who is really behind the migrant invasion moving north through Mexico right now.


    I wonder what would happen if 100,000 Americans met them at the boarder crossing to back up ICE and local law enforcement?

  39. Larry Ledwick says:

    Another discussion of who is funding the migrant invasion caravan


  40. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting look at the differences between conservatives and progressives in how they understand the other point of view. They ran an experiment where that asked conservatives to answer a question as a progressive would, and asked a progressive to answer a similar question as a conservative would.

    The results were that conservatives consistently had a better understanding of the progressive view than the progressives had of the conservative view. As many of us have noted, progressives tend to think they are mind readers and infer motives to statements with no evidence based entirely on their own prejudices. If you say you are against the current migrant caravan (invasion) march then they jump directly to the conclusion that it is because you are a racist and ignore other possible rationals.


  41. ossqss says:

    @Larry Yep, progressive dogma is inescapable by most.

  42. E.M.Smith says:


    They work from stereotypes, dogma, pre-packaged belief systems.
    We work from data, thought, understanding…
    BIG difference.

    Oh, and just because there is a Public Face on organizing doesn’t me we know who is behind it. One needs to find the NGOs funding the Public Face, the coordinators, and who funds them.

  43. Larry Ledwick says:

    Oh, and just because there is a Public Face on organizing doesn’t me we know who is behind it. One needs to find the NGOs funding the Public Face, the coordinators, and who funds them.

    Yes like traditional money laundering, it will be multiple layers of indirection falls fronts, and until you dig down through all the layers hard to say who is really pressing the buttons and approving game plans.

  44. E.M.Smith says:

    It just occurred to me… since there are lots of folks facilitating this transport of people, illegally, across national borders, AND funding it… doesn’t that make them criminals for breaking human trafficking laws? The are paying to illegally smuggle folks across borders. At a minimum that makes them the equivalent of a “John”…

    Beyond that, is there not a general “Aiding and abetting” law making those helping law breakers themselves lawbreakers? How about a little wide spread law enforcement here… Asset forfeiture and all…

  45. Larry Ledwick says:

    I am wondering if they are going to try out the military’s microwave “heat ray” crowd control device.


    Bring in the military (once you know where they are going to try and cross, lay triple coil concertina wire 100 yards back from the border, close that entry point and declare it a national security zone (ie local sheriff law enforcement have no jurisdiction)

    Given activist courts all this will be done at the very last minute.

  46. Larry Ledwick says:

    Or we can go for just a fun video on high tech weapons to appear soon in a confrontation near you.

  47. Larry Ledwick says:

    Presidential Council of Economic Advisors evaluate what the impact of socialism would be on the US. Their conclusion it would cut GDP in half and lower. If policies like Venezuela were implimented it would lower GDP by about $24,000 per person, if policies like the Nordic countries 1970’s socialist policies it would reduce GDP by $11,000.

    Medicare-for-All would result in a nine-percent reduction in real GDP and a 19-percent in household incomes after tax and health spending.


  48. E.M.Smith says:

    Stefan Molyneux on the “caravan” ( Mob Invasion):

  49. ossqss says:

    This, quite interesting, show starts a new season tomorrow.


  50. E.M.Smith says:


    I’ve watched some of the Blacksmith competition shows. They’re really interesting to me from a technique point of view. It does bother me that they do the “Survivor” crap of artificial constraints like too little time or strange starting materials. I’d really rather see “best practices” and you can’t get that inside deliberately over-ambitious stressors. Oh Well.

    It is interesting to watch how they approach things. One show had Smiths using their own forges, so you got to see the variety of DIY forge designs. One with traditional billows, most with blowers.

  51. Larry Ledwick says:

    Another item on the invasion migrant march – Per Vice President Pence from officials in Honduras, the invasion march was organized at least in part by Venezuela. It is useful to note that Iran is active in Venezuela and this would be a perfect method for them to strike back at the US as their own citizens protest the Theocracy in Iran, which they are blaming on the US instead of the fact their citizens are tired of the abuse and corruption.


  52. H.R. says:

    Larry L: “Medicare-for-All would result in a nine-percent reduction in real GDP and a 19-percent in household incomes after tax and health spending.”

    But, but, but… it would be free healthcare for all, just like Canada and Cuba.

    Oy, vey! It is amazing how many people think that whatever “The Government” gives out is free.

    I am old enough to remember when our local daily newspaper would discuss new “taxpayer-funded initiatives” and not call a [whatever] program “free.” When school lunches were first subsidized, I was still in H.S. and they called them subsidized lunches. Now they feed kids up to 3 “free” meals per day at the schools and the YSM demonizes anyone who would dare to deny someone “free stuff.”

    Sadly, we’ve made living off the taxes of productive citizens a viable career path.

  53. jim2 says:

    RE bombs to Soros, Clintons, Obama – it would be just like the looney left to plant the bombs to incite anger in their base. Why send one to the Clintons? They are has-beens.

  54. cdquarles says:

    Oh boy, it has begun. I got an unsolicited text with a link in it. Text claims to be from MoveOn.org and it wants me to support the Party of Slavery. Not a chance, especially given the slimy special election last year and the continued disgustingly slimy treatment of rational people that is still happening. I will treat this as I do for such. No response at all.

  55. dadgervais says:

    Clinton and Soros (and rumor of Obama) discovering “bombs” which were not set to explode when opened, looks too convenient this close to the mid-terms.

    But surely, the leftists are above False Flag operations /sarc.

  56. Larry Ledwick says:

    Stand by news flash – different genetic groups have different physical body characteristics!


  57. E.M.Smith says:


    Yeah, Venezuela & Iran would love to mess with us, hurt Trump, and stick their operatives into a mob. I’d not be surprised by it.

    Per Variation:

    And they could not figure out that the 3 different groups with 3 different species mixes might be connected to that? (Blacks purer Cro Magnon, Europeans w/Neander mix, Asian Neander + Denisovan)

    @Dadgervais & Jim2:

    That was my feeling too. How many folks in the general population would be able to find the mailing addresses of the Clintons & Obama AND drive to Soros’ place to drop one off?

    Then what kind of idiot makes a device without an effective detonator? Then a staffer opens it AT THE MAIL BOX and doesn’t just immediately bolt for the door?

    It wouldn’t require participation by the “targets” for someone on the Dims side to think it helpful to send them a dummy device and play up the news.

    IMHO, watch how much it gets air-time and you have the answer. OMG and gone tomorrow? Real devices. 4-Walled for 4 days+ then an “October Surprise” attempt. So far “Today’s Top Stories” seems to indicate 4-walling it. (They run top stories from a variety of other sources, so for example Newsy is pushing the story as is Bloomberg along with other channels. If it’s still “hot” tomorrow then we’ll know..)


    I’m getting about 5 calls / day from numbers I don’t recognize and mostly out of area. These arrive between about 11 am and 4 pm. I don’t answer them ( I run using a white list – AFTER someone leaves a message AND I decide to take calls from them, they go into my address book and I’ll answer in the future…) I suspect some combo of political push crap and polling…

    I also think this is why the polls are so wrong. Many more people who care about privacy and / or have SPAM defensive behaviours (i.e. think…) do not get polled and do vote for Trump.


    But but but…. The Government can just print the money so it IS free!!! /sarc;


    I’d wondered about that when I bought an Orange Pi from a China supplier and the postage was something like $1 or 2… I note that the link says folks ship a lot of drugs that way and that’s a hot button for Trump. It actually cost me more to get an Odroid shipped from nearby than it did for the China source…

  58. p.g.sharrow says:

    Yes, this spate of “bombs” seems to be a communist false flag operation and those involved seem to know that they are all duds, so far. The communist next step will be a real bomb to one of their own fence sitters that they feel is expendable for the cause. All to blame the right for starting a real war. And try to use government action to suppress their enemies…pg

  59. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting observation – the bomb news has completely taken coverage of the invasion mob in Mexico off the news (as well as the Mexican Hurricane land fall). It will be interesting to watch if that is because the Left finally figured out that the invasion mob was motivating Republican voters or are they trying to diminish coverage for a while to have it come out of the blue in a few days, or have they determined that there really will be effective efforts to stop the invasion mob when it gets near the border?

    One of the unexpected consequences of the Left’s efforts to encourage early voting is they have neutered the effects of October surprises just before election day as many voters have already voted. To manipulate the voters they need to keep on continuous pressure now for days – weeks leading up to the final election day to influence the early voters in the desired direction. That leads to voter fatigue and saturation of the message and time for the message to be countered by opposing news coverage, and analysis.

    So were is the Invasion Mob today?

  60. jim2 says:

    The Dimowits were in the mud with the Kavanaugh hearing thugs/mobs and the leftist/antifa mob violence. These two things motivated Republican voters, the migrant mob also, and the Republicans were enjoying the high road. The bombings mask those items and are sucking up news. I’m betting it’s a dimowit operative responsible for the bombs. It would be sweet if the perp were found swiftly. This could change the outcome of the election.

  61. philjourdan says:

    Perfect timing. The left decides to bomb their own (with duds of course) just as you state there has been no “October Surprise”.

    Surprise! :-)

  62. philjourdan says:

    P.s. – As usual, the tell on the bomb issue was the over doing. One maybe, 2? Hardly, 3 or more? Setup.

    Want to bet it is a Soros org behind it since he was the “first”?

  63. Larry Ledwick says:

    Looks like we are now up to six devices:

    Mike Levine Verified account

    More Mike Levine Retweeted Mike Levine
    SIX. A suspicious package intercepted by Capitol Hill police was addressed to Democratic California congresswoman Maxine Waters, according to three sources. @tarapalmeri @JoshMargolin

  64. E.M.Smith says:

    One one of the news channels, ABC?, they had a reporter in the Invasion Mob in some plaza of a city in Mexico. He was talking up this as a ‘rest day’ as they had ‘walked so far’ in the last days. He also nicely pointed out a guy carrying out trash bags as they “clean up” and an “Organizer” in a yellow work vest with a bull horn making sure things were running well. Then mentioned “some of the marchers were getting on trains” as they were too tired to keep walking…

    So my take on that was he confirmed:

    1) It IS organized and funded – including a food station behind him…
    2) The walking IS “for street theatre” and they take trucks and trains mostly.
    3) They are pausing for a day to let the bomb story run (a coincidence I’m sure – NOT!), and avoid the hurricane.

  65. E.M.Smith says:

    Yeah, just checked it again. ABC News on the Roku, “Latest News” near the bottom. Matt Gutman “ABC News Chief National Correspondent” who also said he spent several years in the middle east and that he’d spot a middle eastern accent – and saw no middle eastern faces nor heard any such accent so none are in the mob… Despite also saying it was up to 7000+ now (so did he interview ALL of them?) and some were on trains (really think the operatives are going to be in the Photo Op group on national news? Or the “private train car away from cameras no walking needed”?)

    In Huixtla, Mexico.

    “Being given directions by Organizers walking around with bullhorns”
    “The longer this lasts the bigger the concern here for a humanitarian crisis”

    (So I figure that’s the backup plan. A “humanitarian crisis” just short of the border and it’s that Evil Orange Man’s fault there are dead babies and starving parents… only slightly obese…/sarc;)

    Talks about women fainting in the heat and one young man died as he was crushed when he fell off the truck he was riding on…

    He did say “I would be shocked if there are not criminals” in this large a group, but… then goes on about how great everyone is…

    Says he expects folks to arrive at the “train heads” (rail heads) in Arizona / California etc…

  66. E.M.Smith says:

    Interesting detail:

    The one picture of a bomb with envelope shows a bunch of stamps on it (along with return address and mailing label that almost look like faked to look suspicious) has something odd about it.

    The stamps are not cancelled

    These did not go through the regular post office process and cancellation.

    Further, it’s a pipe bomb in a manila envelope. You would feel it as suspicious just by touching it. Round heavy pipe inside paper.

    IF all the others are also like this, then it was a group dropping them off in sync. That’s a whole lot more like the “Organized Left” than the “lone bomber”… And they ought to be on video. From:


    (Click to embiggen a lot – the electronics are odd.)

  67. p.g.sharrow says:

    these look like stickers and not real USP stamps. yeah hand delivered, not mailed…pg

  68. philjourdan says:

    They work from stereotypes, dogma, pre-packaged belief systems.

    Just like an NPC would.

  69. Larry Ledwick says:

    Yes almost certainly #bogusbombs intended for media coverage and to divert attention from the invasion mob rather than to do any real harm.

    Here is my favorite meme of the day so far.

  70. E.M.Smith says:

    That’s a “Big-O!” ;-)

    I’ve saved a lot of memes and set up a meme category… maybe its time I made a posting with a few of my favorites ;-)

    From Gab.ai humor:

  71. E.M.Smith says:

    This one is fun too:

  72. Power Grab says:

    Re Iran working with Venezuela – Remember the movie “On Wings of Eagles” where Ross Perot’s’ EDS staff working in Iran during the overthrow of the Shah had to deal with dangerous times while awaiting a way to escape?

    When I watched that and then read the credits at the end, there more Hispanic names than you could shake a stick at. So, to American eyes, Hispanic can be made to look Middle Eastern without a lot of trouble. And vice versa.

    So I have no trouble believing there are Middle Easterners in the mob.

  73. E.M.Smith says:

    How it started?

  74. Power Grab says:

    I see that “election ink” is a thing.


    I have been thinking the mob should be run (sheep-dip style) through a vat of indelible blue ink before they’re allowed to mix with the general population.

    That way, if you want to help them, you could easily recognize them by their blue color…or if you wanted to avoid letting them vote…same idea.

    Besides that, an invading force needs a uniform. That’s another reason to dye them blue.

    They could be known as the Blue Slaves.

    I’m sure you get my drift….

  75. Larry Ledwick says:

    From twitter:

    Tracybeanz @tracybeanz
    23 minutes ago

    An anomaly I don’t hear many people talking about. Soros had a package hand delivered on Monday. The rest of these “bombs” arrived by courier or USPS (depending on what outlet you read/listen to) TODAY– BUT there is an issue.

    Tracybeanz @tracybeanz
    23 minutes ago

    The mail room would have had to have processed it and returned it in the same time it took the rest of the packages to travel correctly, and be delivered to DWS on the same day. In other words, the “wrong address” package would have been held up for longer. Something stinks.

  76. E.M.Smith says:

    Interesting comment from Gab.ai news:

    Catherine Fay @cathyfay
    Any type of envelope that weighs over 8 ounces has to be taken to the post office in person. You have to answer all sorts of questions, and they put the postage on. They will not let you use stamps. I will now call BS on this dumb ass phony stunt.

    I had an “Oh Yeah” about that… the P.O. demands anything bigger than an envelope be done in person at the counter…

  77. Larry Ledwick says:

    Well – isn’t this interesting.
    People in the migrant invasion march are being fed with USAID rations.


  78. Larry Ledwick says:

    Here is another favorite meme for today.

  79. Larry Ledwick says:

    In other news about the Migrant caravan we have this update from the Babylon Bee


  80. Larry Ledwick says:

    First security video of the bomber released as he prepared to place one of the devices at CNN

  81. Larry Ledwick says:

    New meme –

  82. tom0mason says:

    The curdling of college education with an environment of over-protection and coddling the student…

  83. tom0mason says:

    And the website —

    First Amendment expert Greg Lukianoff and social psychologist Jonathan Haidt show how the new problems on campus have their origins in three terrible ideas that have become increasingly woven into American childhood and education: What doesn’t kill you makes you weaker; always trust your feelings; and life is a battle between good people and evil people. These three Great Untruths contradict basic psychological principles about well-being and ancient wisdom from many cultures. Embracing these untruths—and the resulting culture of safetyism—interferes with young people’s social, emotional, and intellectual development. It makes it harder for them to become autonomous adults who are able to navigate the bumpy road of life.


  84. E.M.Smith says:


    My son has several times thanked me and his mom for raising him to be self reliant and capable. He’s complained that many in his generation can’t make a decision or get things done…

  85. jim2 says:

    The post office isn’t a well-oiled machine, so it is highly unlikely that the packages would have arrived on the same day. It does stink to high heaven. It would be a beautiful thing if the TLAs could utilize their massive eavesdropping capabilities to catch this person. Listening to some radio talk showed today – we are not alone!

  86. E.M.Smith says:

    Interesting stat:

    Roku CBS News ap, “top news” line has 14 stories. 12 are about the bombs. 2 are accusatory of the “rhetoric” (with picture of Trump) and the need to “tone it down”.

    In other words, they are losing to Trump and want to shut him up…

    IF the same theme is running on the rest of the YSM then we know what one of the goals was: Tar Trump with the “poisonous rhetoric” tag and shut him up.

    In the mean time, CBS is on scene at the same place as ABC earlier. Showing folks enjoying some “live music” in the background after such a long walk… (despite also showing images of them riding in trucks…)

    The do say something like 480 have asked to be sent home and another 500+ (IIRC) applying for asylum in Mexico. There’s also an image of a guy with a US-A.I.D. bag, so we know our UN aid is being used against us.


    Checked ABC & NBC.

    NBC has an entire line of stories (clickable images, one per angle, in a selection list) devoted to the bomb story, including the line of “Trump rhetoric”…

    ABC has one each stories in their top list on the bombs and the “rhetoric”, but I didn’t search to see if they had a bundle lower down the page. I also didn’t camp on the “live feed” to see what it was populated with.

    Houston, I think we have a pattern…

  87. jim2 says:

    Gotta wonder if the perps expected all the “bombs” to be blown up by the bomb squad? These may be fake bombs from what I’m reading.

  88. Larry Ledwick says:

    Sometimes twitter posts are great entertainment.

    Snake Plissken @WyattEarpLA
    56 minutes ago

    BREAKING: Michael Avenatti claims he recieved a 50 megaton nuke in the mail from republican terrorists.

    Up next is David Hogg with exclusive interview about witnessing the bomb making.

    Also coming up, Anderson Cooper reports from directly inside the suspicious package!

  89. Another Ian says:

    “ACME Prime”


    Opinions in comments – of mainly one flavour

  90. Larry Ledwick says:

    Talking about immigrants – new evidence in Texas suggests North America may have had first repopulation occur 15k – 16k years ago some 1,500 – 3,000 years or more prior to Clovis culture.


  91. E.M.Smith says:

    Hmmm… IF true:

    Bomber note to self: Next time get clock with alarm function..

  92. jim2 says:

    “Fake Bombs!” “Fake Bombs!”

  93. E.M.Smith says:

    another detail:

  94. E.M.Smith says:

    Purported to be X-ray of bomb showing wires don’t connect to the clock. No idea if real…

  95. H.R. says:

    @E.M. – The bombs are fake. The propaganda is real.© H.R. 😜

    P.S. Saw a black bear foraging for winter fat-food about 1/4 mile or less up the hill from the main tourist drag in Gatlinburg today. Saw it from a ski lift that went up one of the mountains for the Summer/Fall view. Cool! The bears will soon learn to loiter in town with a hand-written sign on a cardboard liquor case tab that says, “Wil poz wit U fer fuud.” I suspect the bears are closet Democrats. 😜

    P.P.S. Bought a quart Mason jar of un-aged rye whiskey moonshine, 100 proof, today. It’s looking like a Trail Boss Coffee (® E.M. Smith) morning here tomorrow. Will probably be commenting here again by Thursday… or possibly Friday…or by Saturday, at the very latest. 😜

  96. Larry Ledwick says:

    The device was clearly made by someone who had no clue what they were doing, or were intentionally signalling to law enforcement it was an inert device by the construction details.

    1. Made with PVC pipe – burst pressure is so low it would not provide enough containment for most low explosive powders an amateur bomb maker would likely use. Also minimal fragmentation effect (even if it functioned would mostly just be a noise maker). Long small diameter pipe is also a poor choice – who ever did this was a complete amateur or intentionally trying to look stupid.

    2. Xray image shows useless wiring not connected to any voltage source or trigger able to function an igniter or detonator. (no blasting cap present in xray, so only a low efficiency igniter would be possible.

    3. News reports powder in device was pulverized glass apparently no reactive chemicals.

    4. Bomb investigators love people who tape up their bombs, tape is a perfect finger print recording medium. Not sure what the goop is on the out side of the end caps, but I would guess excess PVC cement (which would have picked up all sorts of forensic trace evidence from where the device was manufactured.

    If all devices were built the same, would indicate a single person or small group all made them most likely at the same time and place using a common design.

  97. H.R. says:

    Commenting semi-coherently, that is.

    (Not sure how anyone could tell the difference from my usual commentary, except I make more typos when sober, so there’s one tell, at least.)

  98. ossqss says:

    Was there any explosives in those bombs?

    In other news, wait a minute……

  99. p.g.sharrow says:

    this posted on Facebook;
    I am Honduran, and no, my native country is not invading the US.
    The vast majority of the people who have been born in Honduras are law-abiding citizens, like myself, who, in order to travel or settle abroad, ask for visas to the countries we go.
    This horde (very accurate term) has its origin right inside the US, the Democratic Party to be precise. Non-Governmental Organizations funded by the Democratic Party, recruited members of the socialist-communist party of Honduras, called LIBRE. These people launched a social media campaign to start the so called “caravan”. All the participants are being given money, being fed, and, also, being transported in vehicles along their journey, all paid by Democrats. They have also been promised by the Democratic National Committe US$5,000 when they cross the Mexican-American border, a guaranteed job, and free housing for one year.
    Now, let us not forget that the political crisis in Honduras is in direct relationship with the fact that the US imposed the actual president, who, according to the Honduran Constitution, was not allowed to re-elect himself. I also recognize that there is no legitimate reason to break the law in any country.
    About the burning of my beloved Old Glory, which I love as much as my Honduran flag, I can assure you that yet the communists here have burned American flags before, none of them has ever painted a swatiska on them before their burning. These must be more Democrat-indoctrinated infiltrated people who do it in order to gain attention from the mainstream media.
    I would really like you to consider all this, please, because it hurts me to see how the name of my native country, which I will love and cherish for the rest of my life despite the fact I also love the US dearly, is being slandered when it is not a “Honduran Invasion” but more like a “Democratic-Party-Staged” Invasion.
    Thank you.

    I don’t know who wrote this, just that it was reposted at least once….pg

  100. E.M.Smith says:


    Odd you would say your typos go UP when sober… For many language production skills they are improved with a bit of a tipple. My French 2 teacher said it was because it reduced your inhibitions and you were more willing to “go with it” for your first choice which is more often correct.

    He also said that for French in particular, a few glasses of wine makes your nasal passages swell a little and give you more accurate nasalization ;-) Some of us tried it and yes, it works!

    “P.P.S. Bought a quart Mason jar of un-aged rye whiskey moonshine, 100 proof, today. It’s looking like a Trail Boss Coffee (® E.M. Smith) morning here tomorrow.”

    A Quart? Of 100 Proof? Just you? OK…. Hope it lasts more than a couple of days ;-)

    BTW, it’s “Texas Trail Boss Coffee” in long form… Then again, as you have bought your ‘shine far from Texas, perhaps for un-aged it ought to be {wherever you are} like “Carolina Trail Boss” or “Tennessee Trail Boss” ;-)

    Whichever one you can pronounce after a few 8-0

  101. E.M.Smith says:


    Yes, ever more clearly a hoax. The materials used are a forensic gold mine IFF they put in the lab time to examine it carefully. Sticky pipe dope will have collected lots of pollens, dust, fibers, … tape too. IF they were dumb and only used latex gloves you can get finger prints off of it. Saw a TED talk on using mass spec. / lasers to pick out particular chemicals such that they could say things like drugs the person was using and more – from otherwise unreadable finger prints. I’ll see if I can find it and post a link.

    Filling the inside with “junk” gives more stuff to have information. Kind and age of glass, how it was broken up. particles of powered glass will have embedded in shoes and skin and noses and if the person is found soon will link them 100% to that material. They can work wonders just from fragments of bombs after detonation – this is an intact package. (Wonder if they were dumb enough to lick the envelope 8-)


    Consistency and rationality are not Billy’s strong suit…


    Looks about right to me. Dims have aligned with the full on Socialist Communist movement so using that Global Reach of fellow travelers…

  102. E.M.Smith says:

    Here’s some of it:

    Our fingerprints are what make us unique — but they’re also home to a world of information hidden in molecules that reveal our actions, lifestyles and routines. In this riveting talk, chemist Simona Francese shows how she studies these microscopic traces using mass spectrometry, a technology that analyzes fingerprints in previously impossible detail, and demonstrates how this cutting-edge forensic science can help police catch criminals.
    Thankfully, criminals underestimate the power of fingerprints, too. And I’m not just talking about the twisted parting of lines that make our fingerprint unique. I’m talking about an entire world of information hiding in a small, often invisible thing. In fact, fingerprints are made up of molecules that belong to three classes: sweat molecules that we all produce in very different amounts … molecules that we introduce into our body and then we sweat out and molecules that we may contaminate our fingertips with when we come across substances like blood, paint, grease, but also invisible substances. And molecules are the storytellers of who we are and what we’ve been up to. We just need to have the right technology to make them talk.

    So let me take you on a journey of unthinkable capabilities. Katie has been raped and her lifeless body has been found in the woods three days later, after her disappearance. The police is targeting three suspects, having narrowed down the search from over 20 men who had been seen in that area on the same day. The only piece of evidence is two very faint, overlapping fingerprints on the tape that was found wrapped around Katie’s neck. Often, faint and overlapping fingerprints cannot help the police to make an identification. And until recently, this might have been the end of the road, but this is where we can make the difference.

    The tape is sent to our labs, where we’re asked to use our cutting-edge technology to help with the investigation. And here, we use an existing form of mass spectrometry imaging technology that we have further developed and adapted specifically for the molecular and imaging analysis of fingerprints. In essence, we fire a UV laser at the print, and we cause the desorption of the molecules from the print, ready to be captured by the mass spectrometer. Mass spectrometry measures the weight of the molecules — or as we say, the mass — and those numbers that you see there, they indicate that mass. But more crucially, they indicate who those molecules are — whether I’m seeing paracetamol or something more sinister, forensically speaking.

    We applied this technology to the evidence that we have and we found the presence of condom lubricants. In fact, we’ve developed protocols that enable us to even suggest what brand of condom might have been used. So we pass this information to the police, who, meanwhile, have obtained a search warrant and they found the same brand of condom in Dalton’s premises. And with Dalton and Thomson also having records for sexual assaults, then it is Chapman that may become the less likely suspect. But is this information enough to make an arrest? Of course not, and we are asked to delve deeper with our investigation.

    So we found out, also, the presence of other two very interesting molecules. One is an antidepressant, and one is a very special molecule. It only forms in your body if you drink alcohol and consume cocaine at the same time. And alcohol is known to potentiate the effects of cocaine, so here, we now have a hint on the state of mind of the individual whilst perpetrating the crime.

  103. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting video on disguise for intelligence work. (9:24 duration)
    talk about disguise by CIA head of disguise

  104. Larry Ledwick says:

    Looks like another large hedge fund is calling it a day, saying they can no longer produce return with acceptable safety for their investors.


  105. Power Grab says:

    Re: ” They have also been promised by the Democratic National Committe [sic] US$5,000 when they cross the Mexican-American border, a guaranteed job, and free housing for one year.”

    Oh. My. Gosh.

    How many times have I read that people (especially poor women) have been spirited away to another country with promises of a nice job, when they actually end up as victims of human traffickers?!?

    My ex used to say fairly often that he wished he had a slave. I never said anything in response because I knew he would not listen. If you own a slave, it’s your responsibility to feed/clothe/house them. He never even took responsibility to feed/clothe/house his own little family, so I knew that would not end well. Of course, it was moot.

    Anyway, when I used the term “Blue Slaves” on my other recent post, I was referring to precisely that situation in the opening quote.

    Maybe it would be more accurate to call them “Democrat Slaves”.


    If you can’t support yourself, then you’re going to be someone else’s slave!

    If nothing else, “the borrower is slave to the lender”. I’ll bet that illegal immigrant mother who said that 40% of everything dollar she spent here was borrowed, understands that all too well.

  106. Power Grab says:

    Well, I’m not finished yet.

    These invaders remind me of a gal I knew who told me about how the husband of the family she was living with had decided he should divorce his wife and marry her [the gal I knew]. I don’t think I said it, but the only thing I could think of was, “Well, when he’s finished with you, we’ll be there for you.”

    Sure enough, he eventually divorced this gal and went after another [older] woman.

    Why would you want to hitch your wagon to the star of a faction that was willing to break the law and put you in harm’s way, all the while telling you what you wanted to hear?

    Plunk down any impressionable young’uns you know in front of the TV and have them watch these 2 movies:

    Miyazaki’s “Spirited Away”
    Disney’s “The Princess and the Frog”

  107. Larry Ledwick says:

    Open source data exposes military radar systems – or – “Well there’s your problem”


  108. H.R. says:

    OK. Some of you will find this image amusing. My wife went to the bottom of that hill I wrote about earlier and shot a picture back up at where we stopped before taking the plunge with the trailer.

    I was wrong. It’s not 45 degrees… but its not far from it!

  109. Larry Ledwick says:

    6.8 earthquake off coast of Greece with strong aftershocks.
    USGS earthquakes map

  110. E.M.Smith says:

    Oh come on, H.R.; when you make it the enlarged picture, it can’t be much over 39 degrees!


  111. Larry Ledwick says:

    Oh dear – the folks over at /pol/ are having fun with the suspicious device concept – a few of these are not exactly work safe.

  112. Larry Ledwick says:

    Meanwhile in other fun pastimes – let’s play “take over your drone and fly it down your throat”.


  113. Another Ian says:

    Latest Pointman

    “The democrats – one stupid move after another.”


  114. Power Grab says:

    Everyone is trying to figure out not just the Who, but the Why of the so-called “bombs”.

    They just look like props to me. Probably cobbled together by someone in the news media mob…or one of their offspring.

    They look like their greatest value is as a prop for a photo shoot or a magic act.

    “Pay no attention to that mob on its way to invade the US. Oh look! Squirrel! – er – Bomb!”

    Cue the spastic leftist Rent-A-Mob – – – NOW!

  115. p.g.sharrow says:

    The thing that strikes me about these devices is that they look to be deliberately created fakes made to look amateurish. If they were made by professionals to look sloppy there will be few or no forensic clues. Next, if they are following the communist playbook a real bomb will take out one of theirs that is expendable. Maybe that Ortega woman in New York would be the perfect martyr …pg

  116. Larry Ledwick says:

    The migrant invasion is leaving a wake of trash and discards along their path angering the Mexicans who offered them hospitality.

  117. E.M.Smith says:

    These things are roughly 1 inch OD or 3/4 inch inside diameter and maybe 7? inches long.

    We’re tallking 2 x M-80 sized. Except… there’s junk inside. Now even if the space around the junk were filled with black powder, you’re talking large firecracker, not an actual damaging bomb.

    BUT, if a photo is taken up close, it looks like what the stereotype of a bomb would be. Essentially if you asked the “model shop” to make something that looked like a pipe bomb, but at, oh 1/4 scale; this is how it would be done. Made of plastic not metal. Overwrapped and colored to look like a non-plastic thing. Clearly visible counter window (though they blew it with just a clock counting up, no countdown timer and no alarm feature) and wires going in the ends. (And the X-ray shows the wires just taped to the clock – not any battery / alarm circuit…)

    Now a Real Pipe Bomb ™ would be made with metal pipe, about 2 to 3 inch diameter and a foot long. It would have a light sensitive detonator and an anti-handling circuit (preferably inside the pipe) along with an x-ray detection detonator. Oh, and all the wires would go in one end so you only drill one hole and it is easier to assemble.

    Though much much easier would be to make a non-pipe bomb, but it would not look like the stereotype of a bomb on the nightly news…

    Yet yesterday when ABC was hyperventilating about “And tonight, as the nation sinks into fear…” i clicked out and watch the Wisconsin Trump Rally instead ;-) MUCH better…

    These things are a prank. It isn’t clear if it was a False Flag prank, or a Frustrated Trump Follower prank – but actual threat it is not. (And given the degree of hype from the YSM and the flogging of it by Democrats I suspect they had a ‘heads up’ to be ready.)

    Then there’s just the crazy stuff like CNN taking flash photos of it and putting it on a table next to the envelop… If you got a pipe bomb with a ‘clock’ on it, would you play with lighting and position and do a photo shoot? Or immediately evacuate the area while dialing 911?

    I know a LOT about explosives and bomb making (Dad was demolitions in Combat Engineer group and did de-mining and booby trap removal…) and I’d not do anything other than GENTLY set it down and clear the area. (Even an M-80 could be a toxin dispersal system). Certainly not do flash photography (as Id make one with a pinhole in it, light sensor behind that, and a trigger circuit on bright light. Nothing but a pinhole (or waterglass…) visible from outside.

    So either CNN is incredibly dumb (plausible, I know) or they were aware of what the device was.

  118. Larry Ledwick says:

    More on the bomb hoax, looks like all the devices were intentionally missing key components and none of them were capable of operation.


    This opens the door that these were the work of some clueless ANTIFA goof balls that thought by making them inoperable they were not committing a crime. Bad news Mr. Wizard still going to get you jail time.

  119. E.M.Smith says:

    Unless these were assembled in clean rooms wearing bunny suits there will be lots of interesting forensics on them. Normally BackwaterBurg PD doesn’t do any of it beyond fingerprints. The FBI with a major political party pushing it will pullout all the stops. As sticky substances were used, there will be pollens in the goo. This will give a geographic location (perhaps a very small one). Then there’s dust and particulates. Yes, they will have picked up some others along the way, but then again under the tape vs outside it will give the path of travel.

    DNA bits will be on the objects. We all shed a shower of dead skin cells and the odd hair. (Thus the need for that bunny suit AND a good wash of it prior to entering the clean room…) You MIGHT be able to make one clean one in a glove box, but making and sending 10? Ah, no. So likely at a minimum sex, race, and age will be known. (Telomeres give an age estimate)

    Then there’s the clocks. Someone ordered 10+ of these. Almost certainly from Amazon thinking that would hide it in the high volume. Sites selling them retail in the location indicated by the pollen and trace will all be visited and any Amazon orders over 2 to the same address in that geography will be evaluated. I doubt they were smart enough to have 10 people all order one over 3 months…)

    It is even possible these things have serial numbers that were tracked to the retailer.

    Then there is the printer ID in the labels. That will point to a location where that printer was sold and potentially to the buyer (especially if they filed the warrantee). Also any or all of the tape, labels, stamps, paper, etc. etc. can have finger prints on it (did they mail them with gloves on?)

    There’s a whole lot more beyond that, too. We haven’t even mentioned the Mass Spec. data from trace or what various alternative light sources can, literally, illuminate. You can bet with the White House pushing it, the investigation will be detailed and thorough.

  120. Larry Ledwick says:

    This article is 6 years old (2012) but is interesting in light of the recent displays of out right Marxist Revolutionary behavior by the Democratic party and the hard left as they appear to be moving into the direct revolutionary disruption and chaos phase of disrupting our political processes and stirring up general hate and discontent among groups in the body politic.


    I think we have crossed the Rubicon into an effort of the radical left to move to a direct and open Communist/Marxist Revolutionary process in the US.

    The Democratic party and its allies on the Left are at war with America and are not moving into the open with their revolutionary tactics.

  121. Larry Ledwick says:

    Dan Bongino makes some interesting comments about the hoax bombs.


    Given his background and experience he probably has a pretty good read on what is really going on in the investigation.

    I guess we will have to wait for the big reveal. I am guessing mid morning Monday to get the most mileage out of the coverage, leading up to election day.

  122. Jon K says:

    Per the “bombs”, I don’t know if anyone saw the movie “Wag the Dog” https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120885/ , but this seems like this movie in real life. The Dims know the caravan and the fallout from the Kavanaugh fiasco are losing issues and they really think general public is stupid enough to fall for such an obvious hoax.

  123. Larry Ledwick says:

    According to twitter there has been an arrest and they are towing a van.
    This image is supposed to be the van.


  124. Larry Ledwick says:

    This is supposedly the van – but those images seem to be a bit over the top, and all brand new.
    This is going to get interesting. (note Dan Bongino’s comments above)

  125. Larry Ledwick says:

    More on this – comments at the start of this tweet suggest some citizen (who just happens to be a news producer) just thought it was a suspicious vehicle and reported to the FBI, supposed to be a news conference at 2:30 pm Eastern time. (note down near the bottom of the twitter thread someone identifies the person as a registered Democrat – this is going to suck up news coverage for 36 hours)

  126. H.R. says:

    I’m very skeptical about this whole bombing thing.

    First, the media has all appearances to me of having been clued in and ready for this bombing charade.

    Second, the recipients are all CommiCrats who have been inciting violence and could use they “They’re worse than we are” cover.

    Third, the bombs were fake, the bullets and ricin were real.

    Fourth, those stickers on the van are completely over the top. They scream, “I AM AN OBVIOUS UNHINGED RIGHTWING NUT!” One would think the bomber would prefer to lay low and not call attention to himself. I’d also like to know how fresh all those stickers are.

    Fifth, the guy has a record and could be amenable to a deal: A little soft time for this charade, forget about past crimes, a nice pile of cash at the end of his term.

    I no longer trust events like this to actually be what are being reported. So, I’ll go ahead and take the “Conspiracy Nut” label on this one.

    Now, if he had just been captured at a $29.95/night drive-up motel driving a 2008 Corolla and had been using cash only for the last 6-8 months, and the bombs were real, I might not be so skeptical.

  127. jim2 says:

    Looks like someone quickly named this one the “MAGA bomber.” Also, I read on Mediate an article claiming Trump was falling for the “false flag” argument. How would the writer know it IS NOT a false flag” Obviously, they don’t.

    I still think it’s a false flag. It will just take some time to hit daylight through the false news smoke.

  128. Larry Ledwick says:

    Lots of interesting issues coming up – reported as a registered republican by media but people are finding registration info as a democrat – side note he has a long criminal history should he even be able to register to vote?

    The pictures circulating do not all match, no verification it is even the same physical van – unknown time between pictures and locations.

    Stickers are on out side of van windows – could easily be added or changed by anyone. Stickers look to be brand new, van is in a hard core liberal area but shows no sign of being vandalized for having such Trump stickers on it even though it supposedly spent a lot of time parked at the same location.

    Really sketchy background on the guy, as noted above, could be susceptible to a quid pro quo for taking the heat.

    I suspect a lot more interesting stuff will be coming out on this – but more importantly too late to affect voting choices for most people likely to switch their votes.

    Still lots of questions about provenance of packages and how they were delivered – should have never gotten through post office screening.

  129. E.M.Smith says:

    I find the guy’s name interesting. To me, he looks like sort of a Cuban Hispanic mix with ?something? and his name, Cesar, is common in Hispanics rare in non-H. Europeans.

    News pronouncing it like the Emperor Cesar, but I’ve only ever heard it in Hispanic circles with the Spanish inflection of se-ZAR. The last name, Sayoc, throws me. Sort of a slavic pattern, but not, yet not a familiar Hispanic name. At least he isn’t a blond guy named Claus Mueller… Maybe Filipino as there is a martial art named Sayoc Kali “art of the blade”…

    Clearly other folks have already “gone there” as their web site says:

    Official Statement on Current Events

    Sayoc Kali has no knowledge of the person apprehended as part of the investigation into current events. Sayoc Kali condemns in the strongest terms any acts which threaten or inhibit the democratic practices and principles that all Americans and people of free societies hold dear.

  130. jim2 says:

    Hopefully his second circle of contacts will be interviewed first, then his first circle. Dimowits plan stuff like this months in advance, a la Ford, so I won’t admit I’m wrong until the fat lady sings.

  131. Larry Ledwick says:

    This suggests he did not use totally inert ingredients (see energetic material), the question is did he leave out bits intentionally to make them none functional or was he just so delusional he did not know they would not work?

    Bret Baier Retweeted
    Fox News Research
    ‏Verified account
    2 minutes ago
    Fox News Research Retweeted Fox News
    DOJ: Package Bomb Update
    •Suspect facing 5 fed crimes, 58 yrs in prison
    •13 IEDs confirmed
    •IEDs: PVC pipe, clock, wiring & “energetic material”
    •FBI: No hoax
    •Fingerprint found from envelope sent to Waters
    •Other DNA connections possible
    •More packages may be in transit

  132. E.M.Smith says:

    Radio programs (driving today…) report he was an avid weight lifter, had drug charges, and was a known user of steroids.

    My guess would be Roid-Rage. A well known violent derangement from using steroids.

  133. jim2 says:

    From pipl.com:

    Cesar Altieri Sayoc
    56 years old
    From Aventura & Miramar, Florida
    Cesar A Savoc , Cesar Altieri , Ceasar Sayoc , Cesaranth Altierisayoc
    Aventura, Florida
    Miramar, Florida
    Madeline A Giardiello (Family) , Viola Giove Altieri , Sabrina Sayoc Graves , Salvatore Altieri , Madeline S Giardiello


  134. philjourdan says:

    “He refuses to say how many are still in the pipe line.”

    I would say he has no clue. He is the fall guy. He probably knew about it and helped in some ways, but he is the useful stooge.

  135. p.g.sharrow says:

    @philjourdan; that is what it looks like to me. From their history I don’t believe the FBI. Even one of their former agents cautioned about buying their story at this point. It wouldn’t be the first time they framed the wrong guy…pg

  136. beththeserf says:

    Trust but verify,
    – sigh.

  137. Another Ian says:

    “Lee Smith Investigates: Rosenstein DOJ Threatens “Obstruction” Over Declassification Directive…”


  138. Larry Ledwick says:

    The purge continues gab.ai just advised on twitter that their new hosting service has pulled the plug on them, they have until 9:00 am eastern time to find another hosting location.

    Gab.com 🍂
    ‏Verified account
    Following Following @getongab
    Breaking: @joyent, Gab’s new hosting provider, has just pulled our hosting service. They have given us until 9am on Monday to find a solution. Gab will likely be down for weeks because of this. Working on solutions. We will never give up on defending free speech for all people.

    (if twitter kills the above link I have a copy of the image)

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  140. E.M.Smith says:

    Sigh. What happens when you depend on “The Cloud” and cloud services.

    It isn’t that hard to set up and operate a computer room, and the costs will be the same if you do it or if someone else does it.

    Won’t fix the immediate problem, but it is the only long term solution. I’d even go so far as to put 3 sets of computers in 3 different locations (governments). Preferably those least subject to manipulation / PC crap. Eastern Europe for one of them (perhaps even Russia) and another one in South America or Belize.

    Frankly, were it me, I’d have a shell company that provides “compute services” via VMs to various other companies, just one of which happened to be Gab.ai, and I’d float the Gab.ai VM images around the planet…

    This is a culture war and folks need to start thinking about it AS combat.

  141. Larry Ledwick says:

    EM I am having a mental blank right now what is that distributed sharing method you mentioned some time back used for video etc. that would make it almost impossible for a web presence to be shut down?

  142. Larry Ledwick says:

    You still looking for a job?
    Andrew Torba might be looking for a problem solver. ;)

    Not sure if this will work but:


  143. E.M.Smith says:

    Maybe it’s time to go to the distributed immutable block chain approach:


    Minds is an open source and distributed social networking service, integrating the blockchain to reward the community with ERC-20 tokens for various contributions to the network.[5] Users can use their tokens to promote their content or to crowdfund and tip other users by subscribing to them monthly in exchange for exclusive content and services.

    Minds has become popular for its commitment to privacy, decentralization, optional anonymity, radical transparency, free speech, and user rewards in contrast to the surveillance, secrecy, censorship, and algorithm manipulation occurring on many proprietary social networks.


  144. Larry Ledwick says:

    Drat looks like you have to be a registered user and logged in to go to his page.

  145. E.M.Smith says:

    Well, I can get to the gab.ai/a page… maybe I’m logged in? (I think maybe I am… I have a page open on the humor listing…) Don’t see a job opening in the thread though, just discussion of the shooter.

  146. Larry Ledwick says:

    That is their public page probably, the link above is the personal page of Andrew Torba the CEO of gab that a logged in user can go to.

    I was trying to send him a direct message – looks like it sent but he is probably busy fighting fires right now to save his hosting account or move to an alternate.

  147. Larry Ledwick says:

    Gab is now not responding, might be load due to a million people checking on them, DDOS attacks might be in the mix too, or they may have dropped the system to facilitate copying the environment for migration, they only have until 09:00 eastern time Mon morning to make a move.

  148. Larry Ledwick says:

    Hey I got it right they pulled the plug to do fast backups

    Gab.com 🍂

    Verified account

    31 seconds ago
    We are back online. We spent the past hour backing up everything in light of our hosting provider pulling service on Monday. We have had many engineers and hosting providers reaching out to help. Please pray and focus on the families and victims.

  149. Larry Ledwick says:

    Groups openly talking about deplatforming gab

  150. Larry Ledwick says:

    Commentary from twitter on our current political peril.

  151. jim2 says:

    On Meet the (De)Press(ed), Chucky lays out two alternatives for Sayot: Inspired by Trump or a loner. He omits crazy as an option. For the shooting: Due to anti-immigrant rhetoric or not.

    He carefully omits any discussion of fighting words and lies by Dimowits of course. I’m so sick of the one-sided “reporting.”

    Here’s hoping the elections break in favor of the Republicans – it is monumentally important.

  152. E.M.Smith says:


    Meet the de-Press-ed is a great way to see what the stupids are thinking… Yes, it’s also a great way to study their method and especially “lies of omission”.

    Do remember that part of the Marxist dialectic and specifically called out in the Color Revolution guide is to provoke your opponent so much that they attack you, then play victim for all you are worth while yelling vile things about them… This is just “by the book”…


    Whatever happens, the deplatforming “movement” will at most be playing a game of accelerating “whack-a-mole” where the end game is P2P peer to peer networking over encrypted links.

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