Flu Vaccine – An M.D. Finds Issues

Just an OMG video. This guy is an MD who looks up things on the Medical Literature sites, investigates the efficacy of the Flu Vaccine, and finds it does nearly nothing good, and significant bad.

One example: Almost all flu deaths are in the 65 and older group, but the vaccine has not got any evidence it does anything to change that.

It is a bit amusing that throughout the video he has a sporadic cough ;-) but a cup of water seems to clear it up.

At about the 48 minute point (out of 59) he gets to the better way. Basically exercise and eat right – and defines right by looking at particular nutrients needed.

Not sure I’m bought into some of his ideas at the end, things like most disease having some connection to your nervous system working well or not. But I could see some of it. I also know that there is a looming issue of damaged kids increasing exponentially as vaccine use has been ramped up apace. So who knows.

I’ve personally seen no benefit from the flu vaccine and don’t bother with it.

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16 Responses to Flu Vaccine – An M.D. Finds Issues

  1. Larry Ledwick says:

    I have seen other sources saying the same thing, some pro-vaccine folks tried to prove how good it was and discovered that there is no statistically significant evidence in the actual statistics that show it does any good for those over 50 years old.

    They pointed out that it is not supposed to prevent the flu but just to make the flu less symptomatic when it happens. It is like hay fever medicine it does not cure the source of the problem just makes the symptoms a bit easier to deal with.


  2. cdquarles says:

    Flu shot is more likely to help prevent the post-influenza pneumonia that kills. True enough, most probably can get by without it. Medical workers, on the other hand, probably should get it.

    Vaccines are controlled dose exposures, nothing more, beyond the need to limit contamination of injections.

  3. jim2 says:

    I’ve had a flu shot every year for the last 20 years or thereabouts. Once there was a reaction that felt like mild flu for a day, but otherwise, just a sore spot on arm. Haven’t had the flu in that time. Who knows?

  4. E.M.Smith says:


    They are “controlled dose exposures” PLUS Adjuncts… Injecting aluminum into people seems like not all that good an idea… (It normally can’t get past the gut so I’m not worried about aluminum pots and pans… but injected? Um…)

  5. H.R. says:

    The problem with flu vaccines is that they are inoculating against last season’s virus. The gamble is that the virus has only mutated slightly so your immune system will be primed with the old virus to handle the marginally different strain in the current year.

    Every few years, a totally different strain comes along and the flu shots are worthless. That’s where keeping your resistance up with healthy habits is worth the most.

    I get flu shots each year knowing I’m betting on no big change. I always ask when I get the shot what the reports are on the strain for the new season. And don’t forget, sometimes there are two different flu strains going around.

    Regardless, I still go into flu self-defense mode every season. It is wise to do so whether or not you get a shot.

  6. seabrznsun says:

    Hand washing and keeping your hands off your face works for medical personnel to avoid most germs. As a nurse of 35+ years with an infection control certification, I haven’t gotten sick from caring for my patients after all these years. I will not be getting the flu vaccine for many different reasons.

  7. John F. Hultquist says:

    If someone wants to know if they have a cold or the flu, they have a cold.
    Some years ago, maybe about 22 (+ or – 2), I got a flu.
    Not knowing this, I rolled out of bed and collapsed on the floor.
    A colleague claimed the same.

    Each year since then I’ve gotten the shot.
    I might get 2 (Sept, Jan.) if that was possible.
    I’ve read many reports. The problem is, how does one prove it is not the shot that has made me flu-free for a quarter of a century?

  8. Larry Ledwick says:

    The problem with determining the efficacy of the flu vaccine is that the personal experience of a single individual or even a small group of individuals is meaningless. You need to look at large populations over time to get valid statistics – but –

    Each year the vaccine is different and each year the threat is different so there is only limited value in looking at a long series of years without careful compensation for those variables.

    Even if the vaccine is totally worthless you should see a small benefit from the placebo effect. Just the fact that you believe the vaccine is of benefit will improve your outcome if you get sick or make you attribute any illness to some other cause, (bad food, catching cold from the kid next door etc.)

    Then you have personal variability. I have never in my life had a debilitating case of the flu that I can recall. I have had only 2-3 really bad colds which made me feel like I had been run over by a truck but never they typical symptoms of vomiting etc combined with the other effects that could be confused with a cold.

    Even during the flu epidemic of 1957 when I was about 8 years old I was the only person in the family not sick and got to run into the pharmacy while my Mom sat in the car to get medicine prescription. In 1968 my father ended up in ICU but I never got really sick although I had a chronic sore throat type cold for a week or two that winter. The 1957 and 1968 strains were H2N2, and H3N2, strains so I have already been heavily exposed to those major variants. The swine flu of 1976 was an H1N1 strain (relative to the WWI pandemic) but I never got sick then either although probably got exposed because a lot of folks got seriously knocked down by that flu. but I was just out of the Navy a few years and in excellent health and very active. There was also some H1N1 the following year in 1977 but again to my recollection I never got sick.

    Am I naturally resistant to the flu? Do I have personal habits which limit my exposure (no kids do not like to hang out in bars and concerts or other large crowds? Hard to say.

    The only time I have gotten really sick as an adult was immediately after getting a triple vaccination series in the Navy for (I think) yellow fever, the plague and something else just before I shipped over seas. That took me from being healthy and happy to very sick to my stomach for a little over 24 hours just a couple hours after the vaccinations.

  9. Power Grab says:

    There is a book titled “Dissolving Illusions” that covers the development of modern vaccines.
    Most of it is copies of articles printed at the time they were being developed, describing the problems and dilemmas involved with injecting stuff, and the resulting problems it caused.

    Regarding the comment about hay fever shots. I have had the same idea that they are similar.

  10. H.R. says:

    seabrznsun: “Hand washing and keeping your hands off your face works […]”

    Yep. That’s my flu defense routine. And I also try to avoid crowds and children.

    Larry L: “Do I have personal habits which limit my exposure (no kids do not like to hang out in bars and concerts or other large crowds?”

    Kids are disease infested vermin, God love ’em, but they are necessary to perpetuate the species. I’ve had a few bouts of the flu, but I can’t recall any after our son was out of H.S.

  11. E.M.Smith says:

    The way you determine efficacy is as shown in the video. How many deaths / 1000 (or severe illness diagnosed / 1000) and does that change? The guy did a pretty good job of showing that the stats have not significantly changed (citing formal studies). He even looked at it by age groups and showed that there was a small benefit in school age kids and nothing in old folks (with potential detriment in infants from other causes than flu and positive increase in miscarriages of pregnant women getting the shot).

    @Power Grab:

    I’m in the group that generally thinks vaccines are a good thing, but are being taken too far and given far too early to infants with poorly developed immune systems.

    I remember my older sisters cohort of friends who were more at risk than my years. Her best friend had leg braces from polio – they celebrated when she finally could walk without them in late high school… You don’t see that anymore.

    Similarly I have a scar from my Small Pox vaccination. We no longer even give it and there are not millions dying from it.

    I had both kinds of measles, chickenpox, and mumps. No fun at all. My kids didn’t need to go through that and I’m very happy about that.

    But now we seem to be damaging a generation of children by a constant onslaught of hundreds of injections with their toxic adjuncts starting at just months old. The poison is in the dose…

  12. “But now we seem to be damaging a generation of children by a constant onslaught of hundreds of injections with their toxic adjuncts starting at just months old.” Yep. The epithet ‘anti-vaxxer’ is specious and inaccurate. Mostly people think – as you do – that vaccines are not candy and should not be adminsitered from anything from a hangnail on down. I twit people they do not believe in Evolution. Rather they think a bunch of arrogant simians are competent to reprogram a system they could not create and do not understand – and which vaies in individual cases. Given that this adventure is being for the first time, there is no possible reassurance that it is not a brain dead fiasco. Worse is the idea that results do not trump fantasy. OMG What a recipe for collecting really bad news – ignore warnings.

  13. S/B “adventure is being ” add ‘done’ I will add to my credentials as an alarmed person if you care to peruse articles posted at oldephartte. livejournal.com and indexed in a cloud tagfile variously under immunization, vaccines, vaccination, etc. One realization that especially sparked outrage was the false malware warning were being promoted on Web of Trust to suppress peoples’ ability to even realize there was considerable pushback against the narrative. It is instructive if you only go to the ‘comments’ for one of these sites and read past the first page – which are infested with outraged trolls dedicated to interfering with speech with which they do not agree – before you get to the heart of the matter -; where the membership is equally outraged that a safety mechanism for online surfing has been perverted to provide an unannounced censor.

  14. pinroot says:

    when I was a kid, one of my great uncles was head of the health department in a neighboring county. When they first started flu vaccines, he would be interviewed on the local news, telling people about the vaccine and how/ where to get it. The funny thing was, he would privately tell us not to bother with it. I guess the politics of his position meant he had to say one thing publicly, and another privately. Anyway, I’ve never bothered getting the vaccine, mostly because of Uncle Joe.

  15. David A says:

    I was told by a nurse to wait until December to get the shot, as by then it is updated to this year’s variation.

  16. corsair red says:

    If I see my doctor in September or October, she always asks, ” Have you gotten a flu shot? ” I tell her, ” No, and I don’t intend to. A few years back, when flu was supposed to kill half the unvaccinated country, news of the flu disappeared after a month. Why? Because nobody got it. ” So much for government analysis of anything.

    And if the flu kills me, well, in the words of Duke Forrest ( Mash ), ” it’s God’s will or somebody else’s fault. “

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