Camp Fire News

Just popping up a quick thread for tracking the Camp Fire News. This started here:

https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2018/11/03/w-o-o-d-3-november-2018/#comment-103448

but that thread has become slow to load, so here’s a place to track this fast moving event while I get other postings done.

FWIW, having been to PG’s Place, he has a different road out (to Chico) than the one from Paradise that is presently clogged with traffic and smoke.

Also, the departure from his place starts by heading away from the direction of approach of the fire, so even if it is a late departure, he’s likely going to have a clear path out. Then, there’s a space they have (for a business use) in Chico proper, so has a place to base from if needed.

With the winds being reported and the present dry conditions, this fire is not going out any time soon, IMHO.

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About E.M.Smith

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75 Responses to Camp Fire News

  1. E.M.Smith says:

    KCRA news reporting gusts today up to 50 MPH but mostly mid 30’s
    https://www.kcra.com/article/camp-fire-here-s-what-we-know-right-now/24852150

  2. E.M.Smith says:

    Oh GAWD… PG&E going to decide when to shut off 3100 miles of powerlines all over the place including Butte County where the fire is happening. Between now and 10 am tomorrow. Think evacuations and notifications will work well when TV, computer, phones etc. and traffic lights are all without power?

    The Stupid, it burns…

  3. Larry Ledwick says:

  4. Larry Ledwick says:

    James Woods
    @RealJamesWoods
    30 seconds ago
    More James Woods Retweeted Butte County, CA
    Okay, everybody, the Neighborhood Church shelter in Chico is FULL.
    There is still room at Oroville Nazarene Church (2238 Monte Vista Ave, Oroville, CA 95966) and the Butte County Fairgrounds (199 E Hazel St, Gridley, CA 95948). #CampFire #CampfireJamesWoods

  5. p.g.sharrow says:

    Last I heard was the fire was over 17,000 acres and that was 2hrs ago, over a 1000 people are stuck on a road with fire on both sides of them, we pray that things go well for them, a Hospital has burned but everyone was evacuated Things are really bad for some people. Paradise/Megalia is a vast place with a population of over 100,000! …pg

  6. H.R. says:

    E.M. Reported you have a back way out if needed, p.g.

    Some good news, is that.

  7. Larry Ledwick says:

    Useful resource map for those in the area.

    https://www.chicoer.com/2018/11/08/map-camp-fire/

  8. E.M.Smith says:

    This thing is spreading fast. I hope the wind dies down tonight.

    The area involved became “trendy” about the ’80s and lots of folks wanted a “cabin in the woods”. Roads didn’t get larger, but since most folks left and arrived on random schedules it wasn’t too bad. BUT: Tell all of them to leave at the same time? Not going to work.

    Looks like they are putting folks in towns up to 20 to 30 miles away (that Butte Co. Fairgrounds). There is also a major fair grounds in Chico. As some roads leave toward Chico and others go South past Oroville and on to 70 / 99 I’d guess they are just splitting the load between the nearest places with capacity. About 30 miles more or less east of Chico is also Colusa – that could house some folks. Also, lots of camp grounds in a 100 mile radius.

  9. E.M.Smith says:

    It looks to me like the main highway from PG’s to Chico is likely to be cut off before it gets to PG’s place. Then he would need to go inland instead. Not ideal. Would have to go through Mineral and back through Red Bluff. Doable, but a long ride.

    Frankly, I’m hoping PG packs up and heads to Chico for a nice long late dinner and “night on the town” followed by a motel with the Mrs… then tomorrow figure out if he can get back… (Would need to put the dog in the back of the truck though ;-)

  10. p.g.sharrow says:

    Wind looks to be dying out Big billow of smoke above Paradise the rest appears to be subsiding and clearing or the upper level winds are pulling the smoke south.
    I am huddled over my keyboard typing in the light of a 7 watt curly lamp to conserve power as PG&E plans to keep the power off until tomorrow afternoon. Chilly here, had to start the first FIRE! in the stove for the coming winter. The big fire is 6 miles down wind from me with Butte Creek and a lot of bare rock between Also I live in a very fire resistant spot that was once an Indian Village site. 8-) …pg

  11. beththeserf says:

    Hope yr don’t need to rely on yr back up plan, p.g.

  12. Larry Ledwick says:

    Bobby
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    BREAKING NEWS…. BUTTE COUNTY,CA …. #CampFire …. THE EVACUATION WARNING FOR HWY 32 AT NOPLE AVE DOWN TO THE CHICO CITY LIMITS IS NOW AN EVACUATION ORDER…. GET OUT NOW!
    7:35 PM – 8 Nov 2018

  13. p.g.sharrow says:

    somebody set fire on the outskirts of Chico where the Skyway crosses Butte Creek, In fact somebody is setting fires all over

  14. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larry:

    Yeah, that’s the section that cuts off PG from Chico. Since the fire isn’t there yet, I’m not seeing why the evacuation order unless they figure it will get there overnight.

    Still leaves the back way out open. Looks like it is beige on the map link you gave, so I think that means evacuation recommended… (“warning”). Looking at the weather report, that back way is going up wind too, so likely to stay open. I’d guess it as about 1/2 hour to get far enough out that way to be comfortable, so it isn’t like you need to leave 8 hours before flames are visible on the horizon.

    Looking at it on google maps, I’d say about 6 to 9 miles from the fire at Paradise to the road. That could be as quick as 4 hours given the speeds this thing has moved at. I’d be packed up and gone, personally, but I’d certainly not go to bed tonight… Have at least one person standing watch for a wind shift.

    The only “good news” is that much of that evacuation area was thin on trees and shrubbery. I think it may have burned over a few years back. So it’s possible they might be able to hold the fire there. Plenty of other ways for it to get into the thicker trees though…

  15. Larry Ledwick says:

    p.g.sharrow says:
    9 November 2018 at 4:33 am
    somebody set fire on the outskirts of Chico where the Skyway crosses Butte Creek, In fact somebody is setting fires all over

    Back fires or controlled burns to remove fuel so when it gets there available manpower and resources can protect the community.

  16. E.M.Smith says:

    @P.G.:

    There’s the regular domestic “fire bugs”, but now we’ve also added the imported “refugees” who have been directed by ISIS / “whoever” to set fires (saw that a few months back…) plus some very daft “greens” signed on to the Agenda 21 / 30 to drive folks off the land…

    There is much more insanity in the land now than was 50 years ago…

  17. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larry:

    That’s too far from the CampFire to be a back burn and too close to the city. Essentially in it (on the edge).

  18. p.g.sharrow says:

    these fires are in cars, empty buildings vacant lots etc. Not back fires.
    Camp fire is now 20,000acres “0” containment and the officials are in BUG-OUT mode waiting for daylight. I am not concerned. I did check Weather underground for forecast wind speed and direction…pg.

  19. E.M.Smith says:

    Here’s a spot near what PG described. The Skyway Golf Park near Butte Creek
    https://www.google.com/maps/place/Skyway+Golf+Park/@39.7103716,-121.7962152,13z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x808328d030ba2c1d:0x143fc3e5a5e27c3e!8m2!3d39.710058!4d-121.776163

    It is just outside of town. Note the red markers for road closure issues. Looks to me like a quick run out of town on one of the large roads and toss something from the window on the return. Not a place to set a backfire for a fire still 15+ miles away; and too many “ranch house on edge of town”…

  20. p.g.sharrow says:

    It appears that Paradise has been devastated buildings damaged or destroyed into the thousands. No known fatalities…pg

  21. p.g.sharrow says:

    parts of fire are on both sides of hyway99 moving toward Chico from the south across the dry grasslands and scrub brush south of Butte Creek, The fire came down from the east out of Paradise following the wind currents of 30 to 45 mph this afternoon the winds are now dying down and should be 4-6 mph by dawn,,,pg.

  22. E.M.Smith says:

    Hey, PG!

    Found your place on Satellite View. I see what you mean about the barren &/or cultivated areas between you and the fire (something brownish / grey). Some kind of valley/hillside with rocky approach a few miles away.. It would be an ideal place to “make a stand” and use the local water as a stop too.

    I’m feeling more comfortable about that whole “not leaving yet” thing.

    It could still come around an end up slope or down, but the straight shot “has issues”.

    Still wouldn’t sleep much tonight, though…

  23. p.g.sharrow says:

    They were beginning to issue orders for parts of Chico!
    From my view I can see that the wind has shifted down in Chico and is pushing the fire and smoke south. Still clear here and it will be cool tonight 47F. we shall see what tomorrow brings. It is supposed to be light winds from the north. Maybe PG&E will turn our power back on…pg

  24. E.M.Smith says:

    Looking at that map of evacuation areas above (this one:
    https://www.chicoer.com/2018/11/08/map-camp-fire/ )

    Is looking grim for the area between Chico and Orovile.

    Evacuations down slope from the fire near Chico, and in a wedge along 99 and 149.

    PG, IF you need to bug out, it looks like the back way to Red Bluff is the better choice. Everything else puts you closer to areas already at risk or potentially involved.

    Later today the winds are supposed to shift to toward you, but slower. News ( ch. 8 Monterey Salinas) has local fire departments sending crews & equipment. Since they are pulling from that far away there ought to be lots of equipment from everywhere else in between.

    Also, all that valley floor area is at most “grass fire” not woodlands. That can be controlled by a shovel… (I once put out about 50 foot of grass fire by putting my diving fins on and just walking over it FLAP FLAP FLAP! taking breaks when they got warm…) So I think that wedge of evacuation in the valley floor area is just for the convenience of authorities.

    With any luck they will start to get some control of this thing today.

  25. E.M.Smith says:

    KCRA reporting Hwy 99 & 70 closed near the fire area. Getting out south requires going to Colusa to pick up I-5 or anywhere on that side of the valley. Also 191 that goes to Paradise…

    I’d guess the equipment and crews arriving from various cities will be deployed to the grassland areas (where they don’t need mountain smarts and where their big trucks can travel easily) and that area south of Chico will be “knocked down” pretty quickly. Then a defensive line to stop it taking out Oroville.

    KCRA also reporting they started setting backfires this morning (late last night) about “3 miles from Chico” ! So planning to use this calm to set backfires for breaks. Eastern perimeter of Chico under evacuation.

  26. p.g.sharrow says:

    Hiway 32 is closed, we can leave but not come back.in. Magalia is burning to the south and we can hear PL tanks exploding from time to time. We are still in the clear air here.pg

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  28. E.M.Smith says:

    That Chico E.R. link “Current Wildland fires” map now shows fires each side of Hwy 32 in the grasslands area near Chico. No going down slope now, IMHO.

    The good thing is that the spread seems to not be getting much closer to where PG is located. Looks like the wind “blowtorched” down the canyons south and west.

  29. E.M.Smith says:

    BTW, it is smoky out doors. Thin, but you can smell it clearly. This is a couple of hundred miles away… but we were down wind for a day… I’ve closed up the house and turned on the HEPA filter.

  30. E.M.Smith says:

    My Dad sold real estate in that area. At one time he owned 40 acres of wild woods somewhere up there (we went camping on it a few times). My Mom convinced him to sell it… it would be worth a minor fortune now – had a lake frontage.

    So we would take long drives through those hills as he looked for listings, or places a buyer wanted. He really like the city of Paradise, but we chose to live down on the valley floor instead. Why? I remember him saying that Paradise was up-slope without a lot of good evacuation choices (at that time no major highways, just a 2 lane back road) and the hills periodically burned.

    Since then (about 6 years old), I’ve always looked at the fire potential of an area. But over the years had slowly come to have “regrets”. About not moving to Paradise. About having sold the 40 acres instead of doing what my Dad wanted to do: Put a home on it.

    Today those regrets are gone. A “family home” in Paradise would be a cinder. I’m pretty sure the area where that 40 Acres was located has burned over, so it would be a smoking wasteland.

    So something good comes from this. I can / have “let go” of that ancient irk. Good on you, Dad, for teaching me about forests, fires, and where to live.

    FWIW, the dream my Dad “let go” was to clear about 5 acres near the water and put a house on it. Far enough from the 35 acres of forest to not burn – most likely. Then, knowing him, he’d have put in a big pump and hoses / sprinklers to keep the house wet if a fire did come. Still, I’d not want to be the one home standing with 100,000 acres of burnt in all directions after fighting it for a couple of days.

    So that’s my connection to this fire. Old dreams long gone, now the decisions validated.

    Cry for beauty & life lost; satisfied deep breath that it isn’t me or mine. 60 years in the making…

  31. Bill S. says:

    E.M.
    You are the reason I am now about 70% prepared for an earthquake that leaves my wife and I alive and in a structure that is not entirely destroyed. These latest fires are making me think I really need to close my eyes and buy that Honda generator (thousand bucks) that the reviews say is the only one you can count on if you have not used it on a regular basis.

  32. E.M.Smith says:

    @Bill S.:

    Glad I could help.

    FWIW, you can get a kW inverter for about $75 and clip it to your car battery. Leave the car idling and have hours of power. Just add battery clips and a long drop cord.

    Then worry about the generator…

    Fwiw I always travel with a 150 to 250 W size that plugs into the lighter. It covers the basics.

  33. Larry Ledwick says:

    They are moving large animals to the beach (sand does not burn all that well) as temporary refuge.

  34. H.R. says:

    Llamas on the beach?!? Which one is named Dolly?

    I suppose there are a passel of domesticated critters that may not have been evacuated. I hope their owners cut ’em loose to outrun the fire and then try to find them later. Some people have a few horses but only a trailer for taking one or two to a show.

  35. Larry Ledwick says:

    Yep used multiple inverters when I go out to Bonneville. The small 100W – 175 watt plug in inverters will work great for a single lap top and to power an LED lamp or two, if it has a USB output you can keep your personal electronics charged. I also have a 250 watt and an 1 1000w inverter that clip directly to the battery.

    Redundancy is good because these things can fail suddenly and a minor miss handling adventure when plugging them in can kill one due to voltage surges.

    A solid state inverter is most efficient when servicing a load around 70% – 80% of design output so use the smallest inverter that will get the job done. Although you can leave the car idling it is more fuel efficient to make good use of the lead acid battery storage. Plug the inverter in and just run it off the battery without the engine running. The good ones have supply voltage and amp draw meters on them. Then every 30 minutes or so start the engine and let it idle until your battery voltage is stable (takes a bit of practice to know how long you can run the battery with no generation). I let mine idle about 10-15 minutes at a time.

    Most cars will supply 5-10 amps at idle no problem and minimum fuel usage. Getting higher output requires you go to fast idle which will burn more fuel.

    Larger laptops will use about 100 watts of power smaller new designs will draw a bit less. One of my small laptops only uses 27 watts when it is not doing any heavy computing, just lighting the screen and simple browsing. Play with it a bit to learn what your equipment needs.

    With the alternator producing a charging current most cars will have a system voltage of about 13.8 Volts, a 12 Volt battery that is at room temp and well rested will typically hold about 12.5 volts at the posts, and you start to have problems starting the car when battery voltage drops below 12 Volts, especially if weather is colder. Around 11.5 volts system voltage starter solenoids will fail to properly engage and you get that chattering sound and no cranking.

    One other good purchase for minor electronic support are the small accessory battery packs you can get 2 – 2.5 full recharges of your phone out of , and one of the small solar panels used by RV folks to trickle charge the car battery on a parked RV. Plenty of power out for charging small personal electronics when you have sun shine and in an emergency will allow you to recharge your car battery if you can let it sit in full sun for a few days.

    Rechargable Accessory battery pack
    Accessory battery pack

    small light duty trickle charger

    18 watt trickle charger

  36. E.M.Smith says:

    I was making a generic non detail statement for a kW inverter. Figure an 80 A alternator at 12 V you get 960 W so IF using a kW inverter at reasonable capacity, you can’t do it at 50% duty cycle on a car… thus the let it idle. For folks just reading and not doing math.

    Now if using a 200 W or intermittent use, do the math and act accordingly…

  37. p.g.sharrow says:

    We bought a Generic 5,000 about 16 years ago, used it about 3 hours during an outage that winter and then left it sit.
    Power was shut off just as the fire started yesterday morning, so I drug that generator out this morning and cleaned out the fuel tank, put fuel in and it started on the 3rd pull! Wow ! didn’t expect it being easy. Ran 3 refrigerators and made coffee. Life is good with fresh coffee after 3 days without.
    @Bill S.: a Honda is top of the line for small generators. It will serve as primary power for months if need be. Mr Honda started his business making tiny generators that served as a table top lamp with a 60watt lamp on top! the engine/generator was barely bigger then my fist and wrist! I always regretted not buying one just to have it. $65 in the SubicPX in 1965! it was a machinist jewel…pg

  38. E.M.Smith says:

    @P.G.:

    3 Days w/o Coffee?! OMG, you ought to have bugged out the first day!!! ;-)

    For about $10 you can have a cheap (Sterno) or for $30 a nice (Esbit / Trangia) camping stove. Add $5 for Melita drip coffee maker and filters. Set for fresh coffee any time any where. I never leave how without it! (Used one to make my morning cup of Joe at your place before anyone woke up… ) Key part of my survival gear ;-)

    FWIW, I’ve pondered using a model airplane engine and bike generator to make a mini-generator kit, just for grins. Likely would have but I hate the noise… My Honda is very quiet at 56 Db or so.

  39. E.M.Smith says:

    Honey Run Covered Bridge is gone. Loved that old bridge. Felt like i was back in horse and buggy days any time I crossed it…

    Also, looks like PG&E sparky sparky may have caused the fire:

    https://www.chicoer.com/2018/11/09/pge-power-lines-may-have-sparked-deadly-butte-county-wildfire-according-to-radio-transmissions/

    But hey, what’s burning down a city, driving 30,000 people from their homes, and killing 1/2 dozen when you can save a little money on line maintenance and grounds clearance…

  40. Quail says:

    I made a run up to Oroville late last night to evacuate some animals. From the SF bay area on up traffic was light, and on 99N and 70N it was non-existent. There were no rows of evacuees heading away from the fire. From a low ridge near Oroville, I could see the glow of the fire backlighting a mountainous ridge above the river. In the half hour it took us to load the animals the glow doubled in length. It was very spooky to watch.

    For safety I took along an off duty fire-fighter friend. I told her, “Your job is to tell me when to give up and turn around.” It was very reassuring to have her along for the ride. Most of the way there was very little smoke odor compared to the bay area.

    Most of the houses still had cars parked out front. We couldn’t see anyone packing. Pretty complacent. On the way back the roads were totally clear of traffic. I know some of Oroville was advised to prepare to evacuate, but from what I could see no-one listened.

  41. p.g.sharrow says:

    EMSmith; that non-shut down was strange. The day before PG&E did a safety shut down, morning to afternoon and then called 8pm that evening, that they would do another shut down yesterday morning. When I looked out at first daylight there was smoke on the horizon and it grew with the morning light, by 10am it got ugly looking, From oh my, there is fire off to the east to OMG ! ! there IS a BIG fire ! and then the power went off. We are still in the dark, in more ways then one.
    The link above is to the best and latest map of the fire area that I have found…pg

  42. E.M.Smith says:

    @P.G.:

    Looks like the spread continues to be away from you. Good call (and continued good luck to you!)

    When restoring power, things can sometimes arc and spark that don’t in normal load. I wonder if their on-off-on-off matched the timing of the start under those power lines… IMHO they are playing a dangerous game with the switching activity. Much better would be gravel under power lines and removing limbs nearby… then really good inspection and maintenance…

    @Quail:

    Nice report. Folks in Oroville have a fair amount of water barrier around them. Lake Oroville and 2 bays, plus a wide Feather river. Were I living in town I’d bet the local fire brigades could stop it at the edge of town. Plus there’s several ways out of town. Then figure the winds have died down some. I’d not be bugging out tonight. It would take a few days to get there. Basically the “prepare to evacuate”. I’d have suitcases packed, go bag in the car, and “valuables” bagged, but sleep at home (perhaps in shifts…)

    @All:

    I have no idea how they will “contain” this fire. How to approach it. Winds are being changeable and gusty at times. The various canyons each have unique effects on winds.

    I suppose there will be some obvious places to start. Stop the downslope where it hits easy to put out grassland (especially at canals, creeks & rivers, or roads if necessary). That takes out the West spread. Try to get it stopped at I-70 and put out the spots that have jumped it.. Plan last ditch halts at the Forebay & Afterbay & Feather River up to Lake Oroville (that collectively takes out a lot of the South side). But the North and East are all forest and often rugged.

    Best I can figure for that is backfires (wind permitting) at places with the best terrain and slopes. Borate some of it. Maybe on semi-flat areas run some bulldozer breaks (lots of bulldozers up there on farms… a squad of them could be rounded up pretty quick. But a lot of that area is not so amenable to equipment… I guess we’ll see.

  43. E.M.Smith says:

    Looking at that map, it looks like, near Big Bend on the S side of I-70, they have one of the branches of Lake Oroville setting up as a natural fire stop. Personally I’d try to stop it before there, but it will depend on total equipment, people, and priorities. Not a priority to stop 5 miles of it about to hit water anyway… that would argue for working on the grassy area at Penz / Butte Valley down to where they have a partial stop at 99-E. Then get a load of equipment up to the top 1/3 of I-70 and halt it there from Cresta down to Park Hill and you pretty much have taken out 1/2 to 2/3 of the perimeter (depending on how far up 99 to Chico you can easily stop… which ought to be most of it as it’s pretty much grass and isolated trees.

    Then I’d run up hwy 32 securing both sides of it and try to hold that side at the creek (Chico Creek?) in that valley behind Helltown. Probably means loss of Helltown…

    That leaves about a 10 mile stretch in the trees on the top that’s spotted around. That’s the hard nut. A few dozen individual decisions. Borate here, smoke jumpers there, bulldozers where they can get access. IF the winds cooperate, backfires from natural breaks or bulldozer lines to create fuel starved zones. Looks to me like about 50 miles gross of fire lines, likely more like 80 once you put terrain wiggles in it. At 100 people / mile, that’s 5000 fire fighters. I think that’s going to be hard to come by…

  44. Larry Ledwick says:

    For reference if anyone is looking for the official info on the fires.

    http://fire.ca.gov/general/firemaps

    Oroville Ca = 39.504348, -121.567106

    Camp Fire
    http://cdfdata.fire.ca.gov/pub/cdf/images/incidentfile2277_4160.pdf

    description
    #CampFire [update] Pulga Road at Camp Creek Road near Jarbo Gap (Butte County) is now 90,000 acres and 5% contained. Evacuations in effect. http://www.fire.ca.gov/current_incidents/incidentdetails/Index/2277

    (@ 02:37 Pacific Standard Time )
    Conditions: Strong northeast winds diminished around midafternoon and ushered in the return to a typical diurnal pattern. The fire area is still under the influence of low relative humidity’s, dry fuel moistures. Moderate to extreme fire behavior was observed over the fire area including spotting, wind and fuel driven runs. The fire will continue to burn to the northwest impacting the communities of Magalia and Paradise Lake. Fire crews conducted structure defense and perimeter control. The community of Stirling City is still threatened. The fire continued to burn to the northeast on both sides of Highway 70. The fire continued to burn to the southwest into the east Chico city limits and Highway 32. The fire is holding to the south at highway 99 and highway 149. The fire will continue to burn to the southwest toward Big Bend and Berry Creek. Crews continued tactical patrols in the communities of Paradise and Concow. The fire will continue to threaten buildings and infrastructure in the communities of Town of Paradise, Chico, Magalia, Concow, Stirling City, Yankee Hill, Butte Creek Canyon, Butte Valley, Honey Run, Helltown, Forest Ranch, and Oroville.

    Small Animal: County Hospital at 2279 Del Oro and Mono, Suite E
    Large Animal: Butte County Fairgrounds, 199 E Hazel St, Gridley, CA 95948
    Phone Numbers (530) 538-7826 (Public Information Line )

  45. Larry Ledwick says:

    Mean while all the carbon that California tried to sequester in dead trees is currently escaping to the atmosphere. Maybe they can fine the trees?

  46. H.R. says:

    Before clicking the USA Today link Larry provided, I read the part about “California’s Worst Ever Wildfire…” and naturally that pegged my B.S. detector.

    Well, they didn’t out-and-out lie, because at the end of the article they noted that so far, the fire has destroyed the most number of structures in California history. Oh… so no doubt there have been fires that have burned larger, less inhabited areas.

    The LoFo headline readers will think that it’s the biggest fire ever in terms of acreage, because that’s how wildfires are usually reported. No doubt some of the followup reporting, or even current reporting, will be attempts to tie the fire to “climate change.”

    Is there nothing that can’t be twisted to keep the Climate Change gravy train running?

  47. Larry Ledwick says:

    John Carey
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    20 hours ago
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    Santa Monica beach view of Malibu burning down.

  48. Larry Ledwick says:

    Al Boe – BREAKING NEWS
    ‏@AlBoeNEWS
    4 minutes ago

    PHOTO: Shot from Paradise Cove in Malibu shows thick smoke from the Woolsey Fire towering up into the sky – KNBC

    https://alboenews.net/2018/11/10/breaking-news-and-developing-stories-november-10-2018/

  49. Power Grab says:

    When this conflagration is all done and in the past, and the rains come again, will the Oroville dam be in peril again?

  50. H.R. says:

    Someone above mentioned that the dam had been fixed and I’m assuming that meant, ‘done right,’ Power Grab.

    Too much attention on that fiasco to ignore the problems after the immediate crisis had passed.

  51. E.M.Smith says:

    @Power Grab:

    All it will do is have the water enter the lake a bit faster and deposit a bit more sediment at the entry point. As the lake is there to buffer a couple of years worth of rain, nothing much will be noticed at the dam. IIRC, it took 3 or 4 years to fill it the first time…

  52. E.M.Smith says:

    This current map looks like they are doing about what I’d suggested. The down slope grass fire areas are out, the area of the Big Bend part of Lake Oroville is being left for last as it is going to run into the lake anyway; they have most of I-70 fires out (so can move along it easily) and that just leaves that top area that’s now an isolated line fire to work on and even there it looks like it has been segmented into 5 parts so easier to knock them down in isolation. If I read this map right, P.G. ought to be fine:

    https://mappingsupport.com/p2/gissurfer.php?center=39.757890,-121.543452&zoom=11&basemap=ESRI_aerial_firefly&overlay=ESRI_roads_and_labels,VIIRS_24_hours,MODIS_24_hours&txtfile=https://mappingsupport.com/p2/special_maps/disaster/USA_wildland_fire.txt

  53. Larry Ledwick says:

    Great twitter video clip of a 747 slurry drop as it happened to stop the fire right on the edge of a residential area.

  54. p.g.sharrow says:

    yes we are fine here other then having to smuggle fuel and food in past the road blocks…pg

  55. Simon Derricutt says:

    pg – looks like you considered the possibility of fires before buying the property, and that’s paying off now. In the same way, specification for the land I bought here included avoiding the possibility of floods and fires, and I rejected some pretty places because of those risks. I hope you continue to remain safe.

  56. E.M.Smith says:

    Interesting trend… Folks here think ahead.

    My place isn’t in any flood or fire prone terrain, so I looked ahead to quakes. Chose well, too, as the 7ish Loma Prieta on our section of the fault did nearly nothing.

    Why am I not surprised that folks here “think well” ;-)

    Compare all the Global Warming True Believer “celebrities” being driven from Malibu…

  57. Larry Ledwick says:

    Colorado’s super tanker is on station in Cailifornia and has started making slurry drops.

    https://www.denverpost.com/2018/11/10/global-supertanker-firefighter-california-wildfires/

  58. p.g.sharrow says:

    we used to have a tanker fleet here in Chico, AIRO UNION, but the Forest Service put them out of business 5 years ago. Said they no longer needed aerial tanker support…pg

  59. Larry Ledwick says:

    Really interesting observation here about he fires:

    TheBadDadder 🇺🇸
    ‏@TheBadDadder
    9 hours ago
    More
    PARADISE CALIFORNIA
    Houses obliterated and cars melted — but the trees and their foliage survives‼️

    This fire ran through dense low level vegetation that was not properly cut back to meet California fire safe standards, and as a result burned down residential structures which had great amounts of low brush, wood fences etc. up close to the structures.

    With inadequate clear set backs from brush, or green space fire breaks, the fires were not controllable, especially in high wind conditions.

    I took a virtual drive around Paradise on google street view and there were lots and lots of low (under 6′) vegetation all around the homes and properties I viewed. Simple frame structures with no fire safe design features like Spanish tile roofs or encircling driveways between the house and nearby vegetation.

    http://calfire.ca.gov/communications/communications_firesafety_outsidehome
    http://www.readyforwildfire.org/Fire-Safe-Landscaping/

    http://www.fire.ca.gov/fire_prevention/downloads/Title_14.pdf

  60. Larry Ledwick says:

    Huge red flag warning area is out.

  61. Larry Ledwick says:

    A mental note regarding general preparedness, you might lose water pressure when you need it most.

  62. Larry Ledwick says:

    New California fire has broken out:

    Al Boe – BREAKING NEWS

    @AlBoeNEWS
    49 seconds ago
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    BREAKING: A new fire, dubbed the “Peak Fire,” has broken out in Simi Valley, California, in the Santa Susana Pass – KABC

  63. Larry Ledwick says:

    Winds in that area right now are out of the north north east blowing toward the south south west.
    Likely the fire will move from the pass toward 1000 oaks area.

    https://www.windy.com/?34.223,-118.668,12

  64. E.M.Smith says:

    Gee, high wind days, a fire “breaks out” in the places where they would like to drive folks off the land (UN Agenda 21 & 30) and placed to get the Glitterati talking about it just as the YSM runs stories saying it is Climate Change!!! and The New Normal!!!

    I’m sure it’s just coincidence. Not like the Evil Bastard types would shut down proper forest management, brush clearing and all and then promote fire bugs for effect… We now KNOW they love lying deception and manipulative crap and have zero care about “side effects”. It’s all sociopathic non-careing all the way; so what would say they would suddenly NOT do that obvious easy “for effect” thing?

    Maybe I’m getting too cynical, but there’s increasing piles of evidence pointing one way and nothing standing against it.

  65. Larry Ledwick says:

    Catt
    @CattHarmony
    2 hours ago

    Jerry Brown vetoed bipartisan Wildfire Management Bill, aimed at reducing the risk of wildfires from overhead electrical lines, in 2016. Now he wants to blame “climate change” for his mismanagement and incompetence. #CaliforniaFires

    https://dailycaller.com/2018/11/12/jerry-brown-california-wildfires-global-warming-deniers/

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