Cactus Knowing What Snow Is

Driving across the USA a few days ago, I went via the most Southern freeway in the continental USA. Partly I-8 then it merges into I-10 and crosses from Tucson Az. to El Paso, Texas where there is a big border crossing to Mexico a few dozen yards away. Yeah, that far south.

Well, obout 100 miles east of Tucson, maybe less, I started seeing snow. Remember the desert southwest is the hottest corner of north America…

Here are a couple of photos I took from inside the moving car. Why not stop for better photos? Some of the off and on ramps were not ploughed….

It started out not too bad over near Tucson

I-10 near Tucson

I-10 near Tucson

But got worse.

More Az I-10

More Az I-10

Eventually I had occasional snow flurries and such all the way across to near Las Cruces New Mexico. I took some more pictures along the way, including some road signs to prove where it was and one of the snow ploughs. Being unwilling to drive one handed in active snow I don’t have pictures during the flurries.

Snow N.M.

Snow N.M.

I-10 in snow

I-10 in snow

New Mexico snow plough I-10

New Mexico snow plough I-10

As I am doing this on the tablet, they are full res unedited. When back at my workstation I’ll reduce the res and may add some more.

My key takeaway? Were there any real Global Warming the hottest part of North America would not be under snow. This is more what you call same cold as always…

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23 Responses to Cactus Knowing What Snow Is

  1. corsair red says:

    That is ugly. I’m glad I don’t drive a truck across the country anymore.

  2. A C Osborn says:

    And North US is not alone, Austria & German Alps (7-12ft), Iran, India, Turkey, Sonoro Mexico & Greece all suffering heavy snow falls.
    In BC during December records were broken.

  3. John F. Hultquist says:

    Tony Heller posted photos of snow near Las Alamos, beginning Dec 28.

    You can work backwards from the Jan 1 link. Snow until then was a recent 5 feet, with a total of 8 feet.

  4. John F. Hultquist says:

    A few days ago I checked the SNOTEL reports.
    Most areas were looking near average for the date.
    Today, Jan 7, most sites appear to have gone off-line,
    except up in Alaska.

    Most states still have a few sites reporting . I wonder if daily action is needed to keep the reports live? The Government partial shutdown may be the case.

    Anyway, it has been, and continues to be, a snowy time in the Cascades.
    Ski places are reporting about 9″ of new snow on Sunday (the 6th).

  5. Ed Forbes says:

    Climate change in the southwest is happing.

    The climate in the southwest has been slowly drying for centuries now. I used to work in this area east of Tucson and the local state and federal parks highlighed this issue showing the srinking habitat into islands from broad areas over the last number of centuries.

  6. Steven Fraser says:

    Bummer that you had to make that chilly drive in a Mercedes ;-)

  7. Steven Fraser says:

    Its been a pretty day today in Dallas.

  8. Larry Ledwick says:

    This is interesting and won’t show up on your nightly news program any time soon.

    January 7, 2019 Daniel Greenfield

  9. Steven Fraser says:

    @Larry Ledwick: Just today an article about a similar initiative in Brazil:

  10. Larry Ledwick says:

    Related to above

    Professors warn: German welcome culture is over, people focus on resistance and national identity
    By VOICE OF EUROPE 7 January 2019

  11. Larry Ledwick says:

    Crap wrong thread again – political stuff above should have been in the wood thread sorry.

  12. philjourdan says:

    My SIL called this past weekend and was complaining about the cold (she lives in the southern Imperial Valley). No snow, but it was getting below freezing at night (kills the Bougainvillea).

    SO I am not surprised. The good news is they have a month to clean up their act! I am not going to SOCAL in February to see snow (although we have on quite a few occasions as we still have to drive through the Alpine pass east of SD).

  13. Pouncer says:

    Speaking of the I-8 and I-10 corridor, maybe the President should propose a high speed rail project — or maybe a very-high-voltage DC electrical power line — or a windmill, solar panel, or geothermal power storage tunnel — or SOME green boondoggle between Brownsville and San Diego.

    The first phase of construction being acquiring the land, and second building security fences along both edges of the long skinny property, so that construction (in the THIRD phase) can begin. Later. Much later.

  14. Larry Ledwick says:

    Apparently Austria and Germany are suffering from some white global warming.

  15. E.M.Smith says:

    Well, I made it home. No snow on the desert floor on the way back. Looked like the snow line was about 1000 to 2000 feet up the mountains.

    When I’m unpacked and caught up, I’ll put up a new posting.

    The trip back was much less eventful than the trip out (that was under snow and rain from just outside Tucson all the way to Orlando…) The biggest excitement on the return trip was traffic jams… Somewhere near Phoenix? I-10 came to a halt “middle of nowhere” and I jumped off the offramp right next to the end of the building traffic. Figured I’d just call home and ‘chat’. Seeing a line of folks all taking the same frontage road I decided not to stop / pull over and just joined the parade. Well, about 8 miles later there was an on ramp to the now freely moving I-10 and “Bob’s Your Uncle” 8-) we were cooking again. The whole time parallel to I-10 about 100 yards away…

    Similarly in Los Angeles I-210 came to an abrupt halt (with a cop car lit up in the opposing side for some accident). After a minute or Looky Lou’s gandering and then it picked up again. I was reminded why I hate L.A. traffic. Doing 75 mph in a 65 mph of 5 lanes wide, with spacing between 1 car length and 4 car lengths… and every so often someone works their way through that at 85 MPH to 90… “When 75 at Bumper to Bumper just isn’t fast enough”… Sigh.

    It’s nice to be out of the car, fed real food (not fast fake food) and caught up on sleep. (Got in at about 4:30 AM last night… just woke up and had breakfast… car 1/2 unloaded.)

    The dogs were overjoyed to see me. I think they had given up hope and decided I’d moved out ;-) So we had a “dog pile” this morning of me on the couch, coffee in hand, a towel on my lap (long lap as the legs were stretched out down the couch) then a Dachshund and Malti-Poo snuggled, and a towel over the top. The Dachshund kept looking at me like I was a long lost cherished bone ;-)


    I was pondering an idea while driving… A “Car-Rail Bridge” from coast to coast. Have a train like the one from Bos-Wash area to Miami where your car travels on the train with you, but from LA to Orlando (with spurs up to other areas as needed). Oh, and where the train ride for you is optional so you can load the car on the train, hit Disneyland for a couple of days, then fly to Orlando and pick up the car ;-)

    So maybe do that with some tall fences to protect the cars ;-)

    Make it an electrified track too. About 6000 V ought to do it ;-) That way it would be a “green” project, saving all that Gasoline from all those cars via electric rail….

  16. Larry Ledwick says:

    I have had the same idea for some time, only my variation is the users park on the train flat cars and stay in the cars (for local commute) then like a ferry when they get to the station everyone just drives off the rail cars and on their way.

    For cross country, same as you load the cars on regular car carrier cars, and the passengers in gondola cars to enjoy the scenery then when you get there wait for the cars to unload like waiting at the airport for your luggage to come down.

    In my mind the one way to make local passenger rail work out in the west where people definitely need personal car travel at destination, perhaps a few hundred miles of car travel when they get to their final location drop off point. The other option would be a rental car setup at both ends but out here in the west local mass transit just will not get the job done for many travelers.

  17. H.R. says:

    @Larry: There is a fly in the ointment of that “have passengers stay in their car” idea. A large number of people are going to get motion sickness as the swaying of the rail cars sets off a counter-motion in the suspension of the cars. They see the train go this way and that while their car is going that way and this. Otherwise it’s a rollicking good ride if you don’t mind that sort of thing.

    I experienced this in a car on a ferry boat and it was one of only two times I’ve experienced motion sickness. Uuuuurrrp! (The other was on a cruise ship that had to go through heavy seas for several hours.)

  18. philjourdan says:

    @HR – my wife suffers from it (motion sickness) as well, but I love it! We have had it twice. Once on a cruise in the Caribbean, where the sliding canopy was banging away. The other was when a Nor’Easter caught us off the Canadian Maritime. Both times, it made me feel comfortable and I slept better than I ever have at home! Wish my wife liked it. I would book more cruises during hurricane season!

  19. ossqss says:

    I have used the autotrain from Sanford FL (N of Orlando) to Lorton VA many times. Get on at 4 pm and off at 9 am next day. Always got a sleeper cabin with my own toilet and beds. Saved a day driving and the cost for 4 of us was about the same as air travel with a rental car for a week. They had a good bar and resteraunt also.

  20. Larry Ledwick says:

    Ahhh what’s a few vomit filled bags between friends.

    Not a problem – a marketing opportunity to sell Dramamine.

  21. beththeserf says:

    All that global warming hype, this video by Patrick Wood is insightful, it’s a bit long but do take a look and you can go into his web sight and read about the history of the beast, Globalism and the globul warming bogie.

    Patrick Woods, economist, is the guy who researched the Technocracy Movement, design for a new Economic Order based on elite control of energy, from its beginnings at Columbia University in the 1930s . It was taken up by Zbigniew Brzezninsky and David Rockefeller to become the Trillateral Commission globalist micro-control movement it is today via The UN Brudtland Commission promoting sustainable development and Agenda 21 to usurp national sovereignty.. Members include several US Presidents, Carter, Bush Clinton, Al Gore, Cheyney, Soros, most heads of World Bank and IMF.

    Re global warming, there’s a bit where Club of Rome like Christine Figures another Trilateral member, admits, ‘In searching for a common enemy against whom we can unite, we came upon the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine, would fit the bill…’

  22. E.M.Smith says:

    As it would take even a train a few days to cross the country, I’d not want to be stuck in the car that long even with a large bottle… Just sayin’… you might need the “little room” and dining car… Even for the SFO to LA run we’re talking something like 6 to 8 hours…

    I’d rather have the cars loaded and then take a seat in the Bar Car ;-)

    FWIW, having done Plane, Train, Bus and Automobile for LA from SF, and all but Train from SF to Orlando: I think I have grounds for comment on the various approaches.

    Back in the ’80s when you could park in “short term parking” about 100 feet from the terminal entrance, dash across the street to the ticket counter, then through the door behind them and up the stairs into your PSA airline to LA all in about 15 minutes… ( I did it in that once as an AwShit moment, it was best at about 25 to 30 minutes…) then flying to LA beat driving every time. It was also pretty simple to do the car rental thing. Plop down the credit card and for fairly cheap money you were on wheels.

    Now, it’s “arrive at least an hour and preferably 2 in advance”, then do the Looooonnnnngggg security line, the TSA “Your PAPERS! Please!!!”, then sit about an hour, then… I’ve timed it, and it’s about 5.5 to 6 hours to the LAX airport all told now (before it was about 3). At that point you get to do the Rental Car Hurdles. Often a ride in a jitney bus to “off campus somewhere” and more issues. THEN you get to depart the airport and drive (across LA!) to where you really wanted to be. Well in 6 1/2 hours from my door I could be at the Son’s Dorm in Riverside (you slide across above LA on the 210…) and without all the hassles. I also got to eat whatever food I wanted along the way and listen to my tunes / news and…

    So about a decade back I decided it just was not worth it to fly anywhere closer than about 400 miles. Driving was, oddly, faster and better. Since then I’ve moved that out to include SF to Las Vegas. About a 10 to 12 hour run. It’s more marginal as a decision, as you can get good jitney bus service to the casinos IF you are doing the casino thing. So if all you are doing is The Strip – the fly and jitney is marginally better. Otherwise, driving wins.

    I also ended up driving to Denver on a job. Why? Equipment ship date was a bit unknown and was plus or minus a couple of days. Not good to be in a hotel for a few days doing nothing waiting for equipment to be finished and worse if you need to be there to fix it… Then there was my “box of tools”. Not going in the carry on… and I’m not keen on the idea of a load of expensive tools and some sensitive gear (VOM…) being tossed around by ground apes… So for “work stuff” my drive radius moved out to about SFO to Dallas. Flexible timing, flexible material taken with you – like 1/2 a trunk of tools and equipment and such.

    The Bus from SF to Orlando was a trial beyond my wildest expectations. I enjoyed the different view of America and the people in it. I loathed the sleep deprivation (unexpected…) and the occasional Seats From Hell. I’d done an Amtrak Bus from Stockton to SF and from Riverside to (??Somewhere in the Central Valley) to ride the present “train to nowhere” nominally LA to SF but not… They were very nice. Plush reclining airliner like seats. Easy sleeping. WiFi. The Grey Dog had some seats that were uncomfortable after the first hour – and you were stuck in them for days. There was zero opportunity to really sleep. “Stress posture” and constant noise making it hard. ( I did manage a series of very short naps or I’d have gone crazy from 4 days of no sleep). From Las Vegas to SJC (San Jose) was tolerable but not really comfortable. We did have a meal stop 1/2 way that was decent if short. Sleep need not apply. It was, though, way slower than ‘by car’ as the thing stops all the time. So overall my opinion of Bus is “Only if NO other option is available or it is less than 10 miles”.

    I’ve done the train from LA to SF a couple of times (and the other way). We also did one from Portland to Seattle (I think…) and I’ve done other local trains. Not bad, really. The rocking I like, but it causes the spouse to toss her cookies so not a family thing for us. AMTRAK food was OK but over priced (pack a lunch…) but the seats were very nice and with WiFi it was like a rolling rocking office. I was surprised that the seats did not recline enough to actually sleep well. IF going more than 24 hours, you must have a sleeper car or a stop with a bed – IMHO. I’d gladly take it coast to coast but for the fact they price it about the same as the plane… without the sleeper car. Now just why ought I pay the same as the plane then add on 4 to 6 days of lousy sleeping, terribly expensive mediocre food, no shower, and “locked in a box” when instead I can drive for far less money, eat what I want when I want, get a nice bed as desired (or my more comfortable ‘almost a bed’ fully reclined passenger seat with pillows and fluffy cover…) and shower at a truck stop when I feel the need? Eh? Oh, and I get there sooner too….

    So I’m pretty much sold on “Car only” for 1/2 the nation. I’d rather fly if over 1/2 but then if I need a rental car for more than a couple of days and / or the schedule is only set inside the last 2 weeks window, I’ll drive the whole continent as the better option. I can regularly do coast to coast in 63 hours. That’s 2 days ( 48 hours ) + 15. Faster than the bus by about 2 days. Faster than the train by about the same. Looses a bit over 2 days to the plane, so that’s mostly a cost decision. I also like the complete flexibility of route, timing / schedule, food, music, etc. etc. at ever step of the trip.

  23. Pouncer says:

    When working in Europe I did a lot of passenger rail. It’s great for being a tourist. It sucks rancid eggs for business travel. And that in nations the size of Illinois with the population density of Chicago. Trying to run passenger rail in a nation the size of the continent with an average population density best measured in square miles per person — I can’t even imagine.

    I wanted to modify my suggestion about “the wall” to suggest there is precedent for spending billions of dollars in that vicinity for protective barriers, rail systems, tunnels and tunnel monitoring, etc. The Yucca Mountain spent-nuclear-fuel experiment is at the moment on hold. But perhaps the president has the authority to declare the problem of nuclear waste an emergency, and build a system of storage pods as far from the nation’s population centers as possible … right on the edge of the “property”, as it were.

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