W.O.O.D. – 16 August 2019

Intro

This is another of the W.O.O.D. series of semi-regular
Weekly Occasional Open Discussions.
(i.e. if I forget and skip one, no big)

Immediate prior one here:

https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2019/08/01/w-o-o-d-1-august-2019
and remains open for threads running there (at least until the ‘several month’ auto-close of comments on stale threads).

Canonical list of old ones here:
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/category/w-o-o-d/

I’m deprecating the use of “tips” pages. As the open discussion pages caught on, tips dropped off. For a month or two now I’ve not had a “tips” page put up, and nobody seems to have noticed. All the old ones remain for historical reference:
Tips Pages

What’s Going On?

Hong Kong

Hong Kong is playing a very risky game with mainland China. Yes, China is violating the “hand back” agreement. What? You expected them to leave you running as a free country?

No, you are to be integrated with the mainland. You have been given plenty of time to get ready for it. Kiss freedom goodby. The rest of the world will make all kinds of moaning and groaning sounds at your passing, and you will be remembered. For a while at least.

I hope the bloodshed is not too bad as the Iron Boot of Communism descends on the people of Hong Kong.

Jeffrey Epstein

He’s suicided. Either solo, “assisted”, or by “proxy” (if off to a new Retired Agent Villa in The Village…)

It is highly unlikely we will ever know the truth of it all.

His island has been raided, so any materials not already “cleaned up” by the clandestine crew are in the hands of the DOJ. I’m sure that will cause folks all over the planet to breath easier, or be much more aligned to the USA Agenda… /sarc;

So I guess the real question is just who has all the blackmail compromat? USA DOJ? USA CIA? Deep State Actors (DOJ, CIA, NSA, UK, etc.)? Israel? “Maria” the Maid, about to be appointed Head of State in a tropical island paradise?

As I understand it, the plaintiffs suit will continue (though I’d speculate it will now be against the “estate” and “co-conspirators”).

NYT Abandoning Trump – Russia Smear Theme

Can’t find corroboration for it, but a news video stated that NYT Exec. Editor Dean Baquet, on Monday, held a staff meeting where he announced that they had “built their whole editorial board” on the Trump-Russiagate story for over 2 years and that had to change, post Muller.

So no longer is it going to be Trump / Russia / TRUMP / RUSSIA / RUSSIA!!! RUSSIA!!

His new guidance is that they are to emphasize “Trump’s Racism” and the “Racism” of his staff, supporters, (And one presumes his dog, cat, goldfish, neighbors, anyone he walk past on the street, anyone who has ever been in a room with him, and all people everywhere who say anything nice about America… /sarc;)

Well, look on the good side: No need what so ever to read the New York Times for another 2 years. After all, now we know what it will be saying every single day over and over and over…

Brexit

The EU Mob in Parliament are trying their darndest to assure they can “block a no-deal BREXIT” that, in practice, just hands to the EU the power to retain Britain in the EU forever by simply offering only horrible “deals”.

I wish Boris well, and I really hope Her Majesty just sends the House of Commons home for a few months.

Once officially “out” of the EU, the EU will be MUCH more interested in establishing good trade relations. After all, they will be short the, what is it, about £ 50 BILLION a year from the UK, and they have about a similar sized trade surplus with the UK so without a “deal” they are the ones taking it in the shorts on trade. (Oh, and they get kicked out of the British fishing waters too…)

How to negotiate in a nutshell: Find the position that gives you the most advantage. Take it. Tell the other side they can deal on your terms, or you walk. Get up to walk away after a short polite pause…

For the UK, that strongest position is “We’re leaving, GOOD deal or no deal, on the 31st.” and then get a very good deal OR LEAVE ON OCT 31st (and then get a GREAT deal as the EU will be suddenly much more compliant…)

The T. May strategy of “Fence sitting while saying you will take whatever they offer” is the worst possible position. As amply illustrated by the horrible “still in the EU forever with no voting rights” “deal” it produced and the full rejection of it.

I hope Boris is as smart as his actions so far seem to indicate. He may get dumped as PM “after the fact”, but IF he delivers a decent BREXIT on the 31st, he will assure his place as a great historical actor AND have saved his party from ruin. If Parliament thwarts BREXIT again, then the combo of the BREXIT party or UKIP will replace parliament with new faces.

The fact that it’s all gone silent recently is intriguing. I expect it to become much more interesting and volcanic about October 1.

Antifa

Suddenly out of the news… We’ve got “Shooting!” in the news, but they seem to really be trying to bury the fact that one of them was an Antifa supporter.

I don’t expect them to be quiet forever, but just until the stink blows over. They have presently achieved the goal of getting the POTUS and Congress talking about all sorts of gun ban laws (2nd Amendment be damned). Only time will tell if the Congress Critters can count how many people in America have guns and like it that way…

We know the Socialist Brigade side of things loves “accusing your opponent of what you do” and doing False Flag operations. (“Fast and Furious” ring a bell?) so now that they have seen a couple of shootings can advance their agenda in Congress, and even when they have been fingered as Left Leaning shooters, expect more Left Leaning Shooters… Creating a Crisis to exploit…

Mueller? Mueller? Mueller?…

The Dims in congress continue to talk up the “Impeach!!!” screech. This will continue until the election in 2020. I’d not be surprised to see them pass articles just a week before the election so they can holler about him being impeached during the voting.

DOJ is making noises about investigating the actual formation of the whole Russia Investigation. I’d love to see one, just ONE of the dirty dozens do a perp walk. As it stands now, it’s 100% the case that the Deep State runs the DOJ. Still. Barr has a lot of weeding to do.

Strozk & McCabe have filed “wrongful termination” suits to get their jobs back. The case was handed to a Hard Left Deep State judge, so expect the ruling to say “must reinstate immediately”. As McCabe only needs 1 day to get his retirement checks, expect that to be filed the next day and moot the appeal.

Speaking Of The Democrat Primary Race

They continue to tack hard left Socialist. Go Bernie Go! Sail that ship to the edge of sanity, and beyond!

It is fascinating to watch the DNC Machine attempt once again to toss out the best candidates most liked by the people and assure they can bestow the crown on the one with the most connections inside the apparatus. Guess they didn’t learn anything from the Hillary Debacle after all.

Iran & UK Ship

The UK has folded on the Iranian Tanker, so expect to see Iran let their hostage ship go soon too.

Thanks, UK, you have now confirmed to Iran that hostage taking works a champ! Any time they are cranky, expect to see more grabs and impoundments.

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About E.M.Smith

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210 Responses to W.O.O.D. – 16 August 2019

  1. jim2 says:

    I think the agreement was Hong Kong would be “free” as in operating in the same economic/governmental mode as before the Brits made the agreement with China. I’m sure the Brits weren’t expecting COMMUNIST china, but no one did at that time. This is why Trump is trying to talk the situation down rather than send in the bombs. It’s a legal agreement. I feel for the inhabitants of Hong Kong, but it’s not our problem to fix.

  2. jim2 says:

    That is, the agreement was they would be free for 50 years. The 50 years is up.

  3. H.R. says:

    E.M. wrote: “I hope Boris is as smart as his actions so far seem to indicate.”

    President Trump has mentioned he has been talking to Boris about a trade deal. If Boris didn’t already have things figured out, I’m sure President Trump spelled everything out for him.

    I think Boris’ problem is herding the cats in Parliament so they don’t figure out a way to ‘surrender’ on Brexit.

  4. Nobody says:

    Vice News is pounding away at “hate speech”: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/pa7dwg/heres-how-big-far-right-social-network-gab-has-actually-gotten

    But this effort may be having the opposite effect on me. Have zero interest in these sites they condemn, but now a whole lotta interest in making sure those networks never go down. Have asked the EFF to live up to their creed by showing people how they can build/host universal decentralized internet peers safely from home or from hosting datacenters.

    I think highly of the EFF. Historically, they always avoided taking sides – though you always knew where their sympathies were. Accordingly, I’m very hopeful they will develop a “f*** you” hardware and software platform which could be easily replicated.

    It is astonishing how weak public support for free speech has become in this country. Frightening.

    [Reply: F-Bombs automatically go to trash where I sometimes find and fix them. Might want to work on your euphemisms… E.M.S. ]

  5. Graeme No.3 says:

    Boris has the Remainers at a loss. If they press too hard he merely calls an election, preferably after Oct.31. The Conservative Remainers seem to be mostly from London (& one or two other big cities) where anti-Brexit sentment is strong, and probably think that they would be reelected. Their problem is that if the Brexit party runs against them it would split the Conservative vote, and under the First past the Post voting that split would dump them out of parliament.
    Meanwhile the Labour party members would be worried about their careers if they come from the midlands where support for Brexit is strong. The Brexit party could well pick up seats in that region.

    In dealing with the EU he also has a strong hand. They (the unelected bureaucrats) are being stubborn and refusing to negotiate, but as Brexit draws near a number of countries are going to be worried about the loss of the UK market and the UK’s contribution to the EU budget. They will try and push the EU towards a settlement.

    In the meantime Boris has his crew preparing for an exit, which is becoming more and more likely. If the EU doesn’t negotiate a feeling of inevitability will lose support for the Remainers. Once out the chances of getting back in will be close to zero, and the British will accept it, especially as the EU lurches from one crisis to another.

    I would remind you of the classic British press headline “Fog in channel, Europe cut off”.

  6. Bill in Oz says:

    Yes Graeme ! Fundamentally the Remainers are playing a game of Russian Roulette.
    They know they are on the nose with the majority of the British public.
    But are so accustomed to getting their own way, they will push for staying in the EU anyway.
    Dopey !

  7. philjourdan says:

    I agree on the impeach the week before the election.At least that is the plan (there are still the 40 swing districts, so if all they have then is what they have now, they will lose the house). Trump knows this. Expect a conviction in 1 year. It will be a plea deal to a lesser charge in exchange (I am thinking Page – she seems to lack the backbone to bluff it through). But then the singing will start and we will be regaled with tales through 2021. Before the big trials begin.

  8. Larry Ledwick says:

    File this away in the “very interesting” catagory.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/16/ghislaine-maxwell-seen-in-public-for-first-time-since-epstein-death

    Ghislaine Maxwell has been photographed at a restaurant in Los Angeles, the first time she has been seen in public since the death of the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein.

    She was pictured by the New York Post having a burger, fries and milkshake at a branch of In-N-Out Burger while reading The Book of Honor: The Secret Lives and Deaths of CIA Operatives. The newspaper said she was sitting with her pet dog.

  9. Another Ian says:

    E.M.

    ” “Trump’s Racism” and the “Racism” of his staff, supporters, (And one presumes his dog, cat, goldfish, neighbors, anyone he walk past on the street, anyone who has ever been in a room with him, and all people everywhere who say anything nice about America… /sarc;)”

    Must be soon we hear of “two scoops of icecream” again too?

  10. Radovan Korda says:

    More
    Regarding DUCKDUCkGO
    While accusing me of posting fake news please read the original tweet about Google insider report!

    I.
    “@kritter1963: Did you hear that DuckDuckGo has been purchased by Google? They are really trying to control what goes into our minds!😡Apparently an insider

    [Reply: Are you sure it isn’t just a confused version of DDG buying duck.com from Google?
    https://techcrunch.com/2018/12/12/duck-com-now-points-to-duckduckgo-not-google/
    -E.M.Smith ]

  11. H.R. says:

    @Another Ian: “Muh two scoops. Muh two scoops. Impeach Forty-Five. Muh two scoops.”
    ;o)

  12. jim2 says:

    Mark Steyn noted that Ghislaine Maxwell is a British subject and opined that if she believed herself to be in danger from the authorities, she would have gone back to Briton already.

  13. jim2 says:

    Bill Mahr is an embittered liberal with TDS and a chip on his shoulder. However, there are indications he may see the idiocy of the Dimowit party. He may be one of the more intelligent liberals after all. At any rate, here is what he had to say about the Dimowit anti-Israel “movement.” Who knows, if Dimowit minions get a taste of truth, maybe they will begin to question the constant stream of other BS they are continually fed.

    “It’s a bulls— purity test, BDS is a bulls— purity test by people who want to appear ‘woke’ but actually slept through history class,” Maher said, drawing loud cheers from the audience. “It’s predicated on this notion … I think it’s very shallow thinking that the Jews in Israel are mostly white and Palestinians are mostly brown, so they must be innocent and correct and the Jews must be wrong. As if the occupation came right out of the blue, that this ‘completely peaceful people’ found themselves occupied. Forget about the intifadas and the suicide bombings and the rockets and how many wars.”

    https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/maher-slams-dems-supporting-anti-israel-bds-movement-a-bulls-purity-test

  14. E.M.Smith says:

    @Jim2:

    And forget about the “Palestinians” and the Jews being largely the same genetic type groups and having a nearly mutually intelligible set of languages and, if you trust the Bible to be true, having the same lineage on the paternal side…

    FWIW, I do find it a bit funny when a Jew (like Bill Mahr) suddenly “discovers” that while they have embraced the Progressive Ideology it has not embraced them. Then the Jewishness overrides whatever part of the brain is believing the BS and says “Hang on a minute….”

    FWIW, one of my Uncles was a Very Russian Jew (his Dad swam ashore in Florida from 3 miles out when working on a Russian Freighter… that’s guts…) from Jersey who fought in W.W.II in the U.S. Army. Heck of a nice guy, but not one you would want peeved at you ;-) Bottom line being that I’ve been “engaged” with the Jewish Culture for a good long while. Generally very nice folks.

    But still fun to watch the “Woke’ ones when something from the woke side turns out anti-Jews…

  15. jim2 says:

    Jewish people in the US have voted like sheep for Dimowits. Maybe Mahr will unwittingly shepherd them out of the idiocracy they in part helped create.

  16. Larry Ledwick says:

    Antifa and the Proud boys in Portland. (looks like it is getting “complicated”)

  17. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larry :

    A lot of the lesser violence stuff is right ouf oc the Color Revolution Playbook
    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2018/08/17/color-revolution-playbook-trump-russia/

    The street violence by Antifa is straighf ouf of the Brownshirt playbook and revolutionary theory.

    None of this is new or original. The GOAL is to make places ungovernable and to provoke your opponent into a fight so you can blame them. Pure Alinsky.

    http://www.openculture.com/2017/02/13-rules-for-radicals.html

    10. “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.” It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign.
    11. “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.

  18. Larry Ledwick says:

    The street violence by Antifa is straight out of the Brownshirt playbook and revolutionary theory.

    None of this is new or original. The GOAL is to make places ungovernable and to provoke your opponent into a fight so you can blame them. Pure Alinsky.

    Yep you know that, and I have known that for decades, but it is fascinating to watch as the gullible get sucked in and the media and governments which should be stopping or outing the violence of Antifa are actually aiding and abetting it in every way possible. They are selling a narrative that is slowly taking root among those too lazy to go look for the truth themselves.

    This is straight out of 1930’s Germany or Italy or 1920’s Russia, but the clueless are totally unaware that they are getting played, and creating exactly what they say they oppose.

    The only question is when and where will they stage their Reichstag fire event.
    Does that have to happen after the hard left has the government (ie HRC had won) or can it happen while conservatives still have the power to limit damages of this sort of political terrorism.

    Does that only become possible if they push hard enough for some nominally conservative person or group to strike back in self defense and get framed for starting the violence when to date they have exhibited enormous restraint.

    At this point in Portland and similar communicates Antifa is sufficiently embedded that even a legitimate police effort to shut them down, will likely turn out like the 1968 Chicago riots at the Democratic convention.

  19. E.M.Smith says:

    @Another Ian:

    Thanks for that!

    I had no idea about the whole “cabinet as caretaker government” thing. That suddenly has Boris dumping all the remainers from the cabinet making a LOT more sense.

    I’m quoiting the comment here so folks can see what I’m talking about. I’ve bolded that bit:

    beowulf
    August 18, 2019 at 10:52 am · Reply

    Brexit update. Longwinded sorry.

    For those interested in Brexit and others who have more than a passing interest in democracy, some news: BoJo has authorised one of his ministers to sign a Statutory Instrument that technically sets in progress the break with the EU. This is expected to happen early this week before Boris meets Macron and Merkel, just to give the knife a little twist.

    Previously assented to by parliament, it repeals the EU Communities Act 1972 and only requires a scribble to flick it into gear. Theresa May refused to do even that simple act because of her pathological opposition to Brexit. On its own this is only symbolic, but it has a subtle yet crucial consequence: it opens the way for a sudden, unexpected Brexit. Read on.

    It has also been reported that Boris might be about to use the ultimate nuclear option and give a Consent Order in the Tilbrook court case I have alluded to previously. That Order would mean that the government no longer contests the case and agrees that Brexit took place by default on March 29th on WTO terms. Whammy, straight out of left field.

    A “senior Tory” has let slip that BoJo might be about to do the above to outflank all the Remoaners and their dirty tricks campaign. The Tilbrook case claimed that the initial extension of the Brexit date by Theresa May was done unlawfully in her haste to stop Brexit at all costs, and therefore Britain left the EU by default as originally stipulated in the legislation. That position was backed by a number of QCs, a retired Chief Justice and numerous lower-order lawyers. The court has been dragging its heels on the case since April because it is a pro-Brexit case, unlike the Miller case which was designed to frustrate Brexit and was therefore rushed through.

    Even if things proceed without a positive outcome in the case, short of a coup, the anti-Brexit camp is running out of options in the time frame available, a 2nd referendum or an election can’t save them now before the end of October. They are currently in court fighting the possibility that Boris might prorogue parliament— which is the prerogative of the PM/Privy Council — before the 31st to stop any funny business before the next default Brexit date on Halloween.

    Another nuclear option is the No Confidence Motion put by the Lib Dems a while back which didn’t make it onto the Order of Business in the House, but which is still sitting on the books smouldering away. Boris could, once parliament resumes and at a time of his choosing, activate that motion and organise his own party members to vote against him to bring on a general election also at an advantageous time, trounce Labour and the Lib Dems. Once an election is called, Parliament is dissolved and the Remainers become impotent. Only the (Brexit-dominated) Cabinet remains to act as a caretaker government. That election would take place AFTER the default Brexit had already happened.
    A lot of Farage’s disaffected Tory support has swung back behind Boris since he has been making the right Brexit noises.

    Comrade Corbyn is also trying to sell himself as an alternative PM and has threatened to go to HM the Q and demand the keys to No.10, but is getting laughed out of the room by both sides of parliament. No one wants an old fashioned Marxist with visions of a communist utopia Britain.

    So the upshot is that Britain might soon be free of the EU; able to trade freely on WTO terms; able to make its own laws (GASP!); instantly £39 billion better off and much more in the coming years; free of the decaying Eurozone; free of the Schengen Zone immigration dictates; free of the European Court of In-Justice; free of the ominous Euro-Army of Merkel/Macron; free of rule by drunken, corrupt, unelected bureaucrats like Juncker and Co, and the alarming new boss Ursula von der Leyen with her iron jackboot mentality.

    So does Boris determine what makes it to the “Order of Business” or is it someone else?

    I could easily see a case where Boris is setting in motion the things necessary to “get the deal he wants” in a bare knuckles “negotiation” session (ala 5th Element “Anyone Else wanna negotiate?”..) AND be setting up so that if any AwShit happens (be it EU saying “T.May deal or nothing”, Parliament making “let’s have a do over” noises) or any other impediment; he just throws the switch and picks up the pieces in December…

    He knows there is exactly one thing he must do to prevent his party going up in flames: Deliver Brexit on the 31st (or before…). Anything else has the Brexit party crushing them.

    So his play book must reflect that reality.

    What had confused me was dumping the remainers from the Cabinet. “Keep your enemies closer” and all that… but in the context of a Caretaker Government, it makes a lot of sense. Kick parliament to the curb while saying “Yes, you are right, the people deserve a vote on who ought to be in charge, I’ll do just what you have asked for. Let’s have an election.”.. Then do a fast and good job of setting in motion all the bits that make an exit work (and I have no doubt that he’s setting up at least one, and likely 3 or 4 fast free trade agreements… any visits from Australian or New Zealand or Canadian folks?…) Then, when the election does arrive, BREXIT is a done deal, so what is a Brexit party for, eh? And it’s a choice of the Guy Who Got It Done vs the Moaning Jeremy…

    I really like that strategy…

    Having the “we already left” agreement not to defend in the hip pocket as a Hail Mary against whatever surprise crap gets thrown at him doesn’t hurt either. Provides the back-up position needed to do the rest with gusto and nerve.

    Were I Boris, I’d show up with a very fair, but also very terse Free Trade Agreement for the EU. Present it, and say “That’s the choice. Answer by next week or I pull the switch and stop this screwing around.” Then leave the room.

    Then when they (undoubtedly very publicly) commence all the gnashing of teeth and wailing and Talking Dirt and FUD (Fear Uncertainty & Doubt) mongering; pull the switch and say “It’s done. We’re out.”

    I think most of the UK and Commonwealth, and a lot more of the Anglo-sphere, would be having a party the next day… just a “Thank GOD & Boris it’s OVER!” party if nothing else ;-)

  20. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larry:

    The one big thing that’s blocking them is that Trump now has a 51%+ approval rating.

    One of the “requirements” for a Color Revolution to succeed is that the existing Government Leader must be seen as illegitimate AND have low public support.

    That is why they have pushed the Russia!!! Hoax so hard, to create “illegitimacy”. It is why they have poll after push poll after poll of CNN employees to try to create the appearance of low polling numbers (when well done polls show otherwise).

    Then, Antifa are supposed to be trying to be seen as the sympathetic ones. Well, shooting up Walmart and bashing an Asian Gay Guy have pretty much sunk that angle. Photos of your guys looking like a street gang with Evil Assault Rifles doesn’t help either.

    Basically, what works in unstable places with lots of unemployed and disenfranchised folks doesn’t work so well when 97% of anyone who wants a job has one and has jingle to spend…

    So, OK, we know word has gone out to drop the Russia RUSSIA!!! angle can concentrate on RACIST!!!!! (and the poster you linked shows that). One hopes that awareness of this (and in general the already being burned out on the whole Screaming Racists ALWAYS even calling black conservatives “racist white supremacists”…) that it will blunt the tedium of it.

    It would be very useful if some police agency were just to arrest the whole lot of Antifa and put them in a pen for a couple of months… AND I’m still sorely puzzled why Soros and his Minions have not been hit with RICO. Just his corruption and influence peddling in the State Department under Madam Hillary ought to be enough.

    Sidebar:

    Those folks in Hong Kong are smart cookies. Saw the demonstrator “suiting up”. Eye protection, respirator, helmet, and some kind of body protective sports gear. Breast plate, arm and leg covers. Not sure what sport it is from, but I’m thinking that’s a nice Christmas Present ;-)

    Put it under some loose jeans and windbreaker, good to go…

    Also noticed some using water squirters and at least one using CO2 extinguishers on the gas canisters.

    Sadly, there’s not much they can do against the 100 MILLION or so folks the rest of China can use to just mob them. It’s a noble battle, but not one that can be won. Hong Kong is just too small and too exposed to be effectively defended against China, no matter who wanted to do it.

  21. Chris in Calgary says:

    Here’s a source for the Baquet quote:
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/new-york-times-chief-outlines-coverage-shift-from-trump-russia-to-trump-racism

    We built our newsroom to cover one story, and we did it truly well. Now we have to regroup, and shift resources and emphasis to take on a different story.

    In my mind, that’s tatamount to proclaiming they’re pure partisan hacks, with no interest in fairness, objectivity, or credible reporting. Fully in the glorious tradition of “Furnish the pictures and I’ll furnish the war.” (Attr. to William Randolph Hearst.)

    Somehow I never thought that the world would come to this. It has, and is on a rapid decline.

    Full transcript here: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/new-york-times-meeting-transcript.html

  22. Larry Ledwick says:

    A lot of that protective gear is typical of motorcycle, mountain bike and skate board folks they make chest and back protective vests, elbow and knee pads with shin guards etc.Some include thigh pads and shoulder pads etc.

    The trick is to do it discretely so you don’t look like a gladiator.

    Gear runs from mid $30 to low $120-130 range depending on how complete you want to gear up.

    A bit more discrete is the foam shin guards sold for soccer.

    A hobbyist could easily make their own. Or for really low tech some athletic tape and some strips of 1/8 inch marine plywood or similar taped to key parts of the body.

    A few of the Proud boy types in Berkeley were wearing light protective gear under sweat shirts.

  23. Graeme No.3 says:

    E.M.S.
    I was going to post that bit about the Tilbrook case but have been forestalled.
    Re Confidence motion, it would only take an instruction to a few supporters to ABSTAIN from voting. As the Remainers (&Libs) and Labour try to maximise their numbers any vote would be close, so “losing” a few votes would guarantee a loss. That would appear to the general public as “opposition to the will of the people” and boost support for Brexit.
    In the subsequent election the Brexit party would campaign against Tories Remainers, split their vote and make it very difficult for them to win their seat. Probably that would boost Liberal Dem. seats in the House of Commons. Meanwhile the Brexit party could well pick up that many seats from Labour in the midlands (Labour stronghold but strongly in favour of Brexit). At worse Boris would have to have a composite government, but one more united in purpose than the current one.

    If the Tilbrook court case was agreed to, then the Remainers (and other opponents) would be left without a cause. You can’t crusade in support of Never-Never land if it doesn’t exist. Boris would get increased support, a majority, and much increased authority within the party.

    What he does then might determine the length of his Premiership. Should he react to the recent, and likely more, blackouts by cancelling the EU edicts on renewables etc. then the cheaper electricity (and improved job situation in the Midlands) would boost the economy and his popularity. Unfortunately I think he won’t go down that path.

  24. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larry L:

    What I saw looked a lot lijd motocross gear or heavy duty scateboard maybe. Like this, plus shin guards, arm & elbow with glives…

    https://www.motosport.com/dirtbike/protection-jackets

    @Graeme No. 3:

    While I still find Parliamentary manouvers confusing and odd, I no longer assert our way is better. Especially given the vast sums of money spent on perpetual campaigning and the idiots we get at the end. Then there are the oscillations between nonfunctional grid lock or being run over by an out of control party in power…

    I just hope Boris can end the perpetual misery of no mans land…

  25. beththeserf says:

    Democracy is getting by by the skin of its teeth, thanks to Trump in the US and Farage in the UK.
    The sheeple fail to register Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals’ attacks on free speech or history’s 20th century lessons on fascist top-down rule re death camps and gulags that exterminated millions of hapless individuals. Down the memory whole has serious consequences. Go Trump, go Farage!

  26. p.g.sharrow says:

    Information is critical component for political judgement. The Liberal Progressives have captured much of the Education System as well as the Main Stream Media. So far the Internet has escaped their Grasp of total control over all of the flow of information to the electorate. The World Wide Web of information is eroding their ability to frame the argument into their message. Trump and Farage are not the drivers of this change. They are merely the spokesmen of it. Those that gather and post information and opinion on this “Net that covers the World” are the drivers of the overturning of this drive to enslave the world to the “philosophy of More” . As the fence sitters move toward freedom the Liberal Progressives are becoming more loud and shrill about the coming disasters if they fail. And IT will be a Disaster for them as they are swept into the dustbin of history. Utopia has been a proven Failure. They are losing the Argument due to the information being posted on thousands of keyboards…pg

  27. E.M.Smith says:

    @P.G.:

    Amen! I’d only add that in addition to keyboards, there’s all that video from the actual events.

    I don’t need some Talking Head telling me what it is like in Venezuela where there are 1000 videos posted by people there, visitors, etc. etc.

    A very useful word to have is “Disintermediation”. Getting rid of the middle man. I first learned it as an Econ term. You have a depositor, a bank who lends, and a borrower. When the borrower and lender get together and cut out the middle-man bank, that is “disintermediation”.

    Information is being disintermediated and we are all discovering just how much crap was being stuff into the information flow and how much good stuff was being edited out.

    Disintermediation is your friend… Get rid of the inter-mediator!

  28. Larry Ledwick says:

    Boris Johnson in the UK goes – Trump / Churchill This video looks very much like some of the Trump productions only framed in the UK and her challenges. In it he lays down his intent to honor Brexit and fix the problems the people elected him to fix.

  29. jim2 says:

    What gets to me more than most of the commie word games is the attempt to turn nationalist into a dirty word. There is nothing wrong whatsoever with love of country and the desire to put our best interests first – nothing at all. And these commie dimowits who say otherwise should be stripped of their US citizenship, assuming they have one in the first place, and deported.

  30. jim2 says:

    WRT Boris, I’m sure there is a lot in the EU regs antithetical to UK prosperity. He probably has a lot of low-hanging fruit to pick to Make the UK Great Again!!

  31. Larry Ledwick says:

    I have noticed something interesting on twitter lately, several high profile posters are starting to refer to Antifa as Antifa (Anti First Amendment). Looks like they are going to try to rebrand Antifa to show what it really is.

    It would be a shame if that caught on everywhere that people talk about Antifa.

    (what’s good for the goose is good for the gander – turn the left’s play book around and use it against them. )

  32. Larry Ledwick says:

    A note on protective gear, this is an image from the battle of Berkeley they guy in white cleaning this antifa hoodlums clock got nicknamed “white sleeves”, It is hard to see in this image but under those long sleeves he had some thin padding or protectors and if you look at his back you can see he was probably wearing a kevlar vest or similar to protect his torso.

    When the antifa thugs started attacking folks he would step in and take them out.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/portland%20knockout%202a.jpg?itok=65lf-lEL

    Had to pull this off zero hedge here :
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-17/portland-braces-violent-clashes-between-antifa-and-proud-boys-trump-puts-mayor

    Because youtube and google search have blackholed most of the coverage of that event.

  33. Another Ian says:

    Larry

    “(what’s good for the goose is good for the gander – turn the left’s play book around and use it against them. )”

    I saw an earlier mention of that revision as Trump’s “Rules for Republicans”

  34. Another Ian says:

    For the self driving car fans

    “Why Tesla’s Full Self Driving Is A Complete Fiction”

    https://www.subtwt.com/?p=3770

    Via a comment at Jo Nova

  35. serioso says:

    One ofhe the things I love about this site is that when there is a conflict between the Proud Boys and the Antifa, no one says anything derogatory about the former. Tsk tsk!

  36. jim2 says:

    The group started in the fall after congregating on Compound Media and laughing at the politically correct culture they insist we take seriously. What began as a few fans in a bar across the street from the studio singing “Proud of Your Boy” and laughing at the reparations videos of Gazi Kodzo soon became a bona fide men’s club with rituals, traditions, and even its own in-house court called “The Sharia.”

    The Proud Boys confuse the media because the group is anti-SJW without being alt-right. “Western chauvinist” includes all races, religions, and sexual preferences.

    http://proudboysusa.com/

  37. philjourdan says:

    Serioso does not know how to read fake news. Maybe there is hope for him after all.

  38. Larry Ledwick says:

    self explanatory on why we think Antifa are thugs.

    clubs with nails in them

    Attack with bike lock

    club attack

  39. H.R. says:

    @jim2 re Proud Boys origin:

    I didn’t quite know what to make of the Proud Boys. I was somehow made aware that a few of them were military vets and were fully capable of kicking some serious ass.

    It’s interesting to find that they seemed to be pretty much fed up with SJW and PC BS (a lot of acronyms that I’m assuming ‘everybody knows’ and that is the basis of their existence

    I’m still unsure of what Pantifa is all about, other than being the useful idiot shock troops for the glorious revolution.

    Near as I can determine, Pantifa is comprised of basement dwellers (thanks, mom) who see themselves as revolutionaries going up against some blooded vets who brook no nonsense. One was trained to fight and the other was raised on Bruce Lee movies and agitprop. Neither group is shy about a fight.

    That’s about all I’ve gathered so far.

    As for Serioso’s point. I’m all about supporting anyone who is willing to kick the asses of anyone stupid enough to embrace anarchy/Marxism/Color Revolution.

    We don’ need no steenkin’ communism. It’s been proven to be a dead end. Bye-bye, Pantifa. Bye-bye, revolution.
    .
    .
    At this point I have to assume that Serioso is an ardent supporter of Marxism/Communism/Socialism and I .am always puzzled as to why. Marxism/Socialism/Communism is a failed philosophy. Seriouso certainly doesn’t strike me as an America First Constitutionalist from his writings, but I could be proven wrong, though a simple denial from him won’t cut it with me, personally.

    Gotta admit, Serioso usually sticks to the posting guidelines and I find his posts interesting, though I doubt for the reasons he intends for us to be enlightened by his Socratic methods.

    I’m old. I knew Socrates, and Seriouso ain’t no Socrates ;o)

  40. Larry Ledwick says:

    Elijah Schaffer S.O.
    ‏Verified account
    @ElijahSchaffer
    4 hours ago
    More
    🚨CONCERNING 🚨 We caught Antifa smuggling concrete slabs within a black case then breaking up the slab & using it to throw at buses carrying right wingers stuck in traffic. This is further evidence of their pre-meditated violence & criminal activity in Portland @realDonaldTrump

  41. Larry Ledwick says:

    From what I have seen and read.

    ANTIFA had direct roots back to hard core communist agitators in Germany trying to shut down the Nazis. In that sense they are exactly what they say their are – Anti-Fascists. The bad news is that the left has redefined the word Fasicist so it has no resemblence to its legitimate meaning, it now means anyone right of Stalin or Mao Tse Tung.

    From my observations:
    About 1% are hard core trained communist agitators.
    About 5% are sociopaths who are willing to use violence and weapons against anyone they class as their enemy (they are a broad spectrum hate group and as a result almost everyone is their target)
    About 10% are fully aware leftists and anarchists who support the use of violence to trigger their “revolution” but are not willing to get their hands dirty.

    About 20% are LARP (live action roll players) who are playing a part to feel important and to belong to something)
    The remaining 64% are deluded fools and useful idiots who have bought into the “rightious cause” but are not really sure what that cause is and are almost entirely clueless about history.

    When you have a crowd of 200 or so, that means you have 10 -15 individuals who are really dangerous sociopaths with weapons, and no social restraints against maiming or killing one of the enemy group du jour. The rest are dangerous only in their numbers and insanity of crowds.

  42. E.M.Smith says:

    @Serioso:

    I see you just can’t stop yourself from the personal slander approach… “tsk tsk” right back at you.

    Per the Proud Boys:

    I’ve never said anything bad about them since I’ve never seen anything they did that was wrong.

    When attacked in Berkeley, they stepped up and defended themselves and others. Right of self defense. I’d do the same. Antifa showed up to commit felonies. Arson to vehicles, buildings. Assault with a bike lock on a chain (and he got arrested…)

    In NY Antifa waited outside their meeting place to ambush them. P.B. defended themselves AFTER being attacked (and did a good job of it too). I saw the video and the YSM “spin” was a horrible misrepresentation.

    So what do I call someone who refuses to back down from Left Wing Nut Violence and Assault? A hero. I’m all for it.

    See, I was bullied a fair amount when a kid. I learned to spot them a mile away. Anfifa are bullies looking to hurt people and beat them up. Proud Boys are defenders. When the POLICE are AWOL and doing nothing under stand-down orders, well, they stepped up. I would too.

    The only real “bad guys” here are Antifa (spoiling for a fight, deliberately committing felonious assaults) and the Progressive City Police (dereliction of duty to protect, )

    Were I not too old for it, I would volunteer to help be “security” at Conservative Rallies to assure the Constitutional Right To Freedom Of Expression were not attacked by Antifa Thugs. Police are shirking so someone has to step up. Anftifa will show up to cause riot and mayhem. AND it is totally unacceptable to have Conservatives Shouted Down. It’s called the 1st Amendment for a reason…

    As it is, I’m mostly only good for self defense. Several years of Karate, but way too many years ago and not in practice… Then, over 60 your speed and power drops off. I’d have to go for finesse moves and there isn’t much finesse in trying to block a bike lock in a bag or an Antifa Mob throwing toxic materials at eyes. (Make no mistake about it, cement is toxic and corrosive and can cause permanent blindness. Antifa putting it in “milkshakes” is felony assault of the worst kind.) So the most I’m good for is getting my own goggles, respirator, helmet and some plastic pads on strike zones should I ever wish to attend a Conservative Rally or Event.

    Now think about that for just a moment…

    A “60 something” old guy who might like to hear a middling average center right Conservative speaker MUST consider: Body armor, helmet, goggles, gloves, respirator, steel toe boots all because of the Threat Of Antifa Attack and Felony Assaults. To hear someone speak. Then the Proud Boys say they will be between me and Anifa. My entire response is “Thank God!” someone is providing some protection.

    That you either “just don’t get that”, or worse, know it full well and are “Trolling for effect” is a very sad statement about your life. You have my condolences.

    FWIW, I’d thought of going to Berkeley to hear the speech but didn’t have the time. I could have been caught in that Anfita Riot. I’d thought of going to the Trump Rally in San Jose – the one where a young woman was bloodied trying to leave and the do-nothing Police would not open the door to the arena to rescue her from her Antifa Atackers. (I watched the video of her pleading to be let in and the police holding the doors shut). I could have been there but thought it would be too crowded….

    So how many of those “almost was me” moments does it take to cause one to know “Here There Be Violent Thugs named Anfifa”? To KNOW who is starting the troubles, trying to profit from them. Who is following the Rules For Radicals and the Alinsky Method and the Communist Stalinist tactics? I got it in 2. Antifa and the Progressive Left. Who was just protecting themselves and others? Proud Boys.

    Any Proud Boy I ever meet has a free beverage or two on me.
    Any Antifa I meet I’ll be wary, looking for full situational awareness, and making sure I know what’s my best option to disable to “stop the attack”.

    It really is that simple.

  43. Larry Ledwick says:

    Yeah being out of practice in martial arts techniques has its down side.

  44. David A says:

    Regarding Hong Kong and China.
    My perspective is that P. Trump is protecting the protesters now. His protective weapon is economic, and the withdraw of corporate establishment in China. A repeat of Tiananmen Square on steroids and China will possibly be political untenable, closed for global corporate business, the trade war over long before P Trump deploys his full strength.

  45. llanfar says:

    Tim Pool on how digital media companies are waking up to the fact that woke journalism is bad for business. 24:44 https://youtu.be/tAt2mbOclS0

  46. Serioso says:

    As I said, that’s what I love about this site: Not ONE WORD about the ideology of the Proud Boys.

  47. p.g.sharrow says:

    What we like about serioso is the one track ignorance constantly being exhibited.
    WE ARE OLD PROUD BOYS ! They defend us, from your Antifa terrorist thugs…pg

  48. cdquarles says:

    Again, Serioso, to the extent the Proud Boys *have* an ideology, it conforms to the American Ideal. America actual never did fully live up to it; but that is neither here nor there. I’d rather be an ex-con in the USA than a subject anywhere else in the world. At least I’d know that I’m (somewhat) free. Then again, you support the paper that covered-up, instead of covering, the Holodomor.

  49. Larry Ledwick says:

    Okay Serioso here is my comment on the Proud Boy’s ideology.

    Their ideology is really simple:
    Don’t hit me and I won’t hit you.
    Let me speak my piece and I will let you speak yours.
    Get in my face and I will get in yours.
    I have as much right to be on this street as you do, and I will defend that right
    I will not back down to your threats and intimidation with weapons.
    The 1st and 14th amendment protections of peaceful assembly are not negotiable.

    I find absolutely nothing objectionable with those goals and principles as they have been the dominant standard of conduct for my entire life by civilized society, so why should anyone need to comment on the prevailing pattern of behavior in public that has been in place for the last 60-70 years?

  50. H.R. says:

    Huh?!? jim2 posted on the origins of Proud Boys and it seems they are more in the Libertarian/Classical Liberal mold. I’d infer from their actions that they hold fairly close to the U.S. Constitution just as I infer from Antifa’s actions that they wish to replace the U.S. Constitution.

    jim2’s post is at least “ONE WORD” (and more, if you count carefully) about their ideological motivations.

    Larry Ledwick followed with a post about the origins of Antifa. Given that Proud Boys oppose the Antifa ideology, with a little thought, you can see what ideology they reject, but I agree that there is not enough information to comment on whether or not Proud Boys embrace some monolithic ideology.

    Antifa? Communist.
    Proud Boys? Anti-communist for sure, with some evidence that they support the U.S. Constitutional Republic’s founding principles.

    Serioso, if you can point to a variety of sources*** that do pin the Proud Boys to a specific ideology, it would add to the discussion. It seems to me you are holding back.

    ***NYT not accepted, even more so after the transcript of the editorial meeting where instructions were to drop Russia, Russia, Russia and switch to Racist and other pejoratives. I do appreciate NYT’s consistency in maintaining “Orange Man Bad” at all costs and by any means possible.

  51. YMMV says:

    Here’s an interesting aside. Regarding why it seems that kids these days are dumber. Flouride in the drinking water. Since flouride is a controversial topic already, this will just add to it.
    Speculation or science, I leave that to you to decide.
    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-experts-challenge-study-suggesting-children-exposed-to-higher-levels/
    (also related to drugs taken while pregnant)

  52. E.M.Smith says:

    @Serioso:

    So you want “ONE WORD” about the ideology of the Proud Boys? I’m not sure they have an ideology requirement or position paper, but judging from their observed statements and actions, my one word is:

    APPROVAL.

  53. Larry Ledwick says:

    Well this looks interesting – do not accept any digital gift horses.

    https://hackaday.com/2019/08/19/warshipping-a-free-raspberry-pi-in-the-mail-is-not-always-a-welcome-gift/

  54. Another Ian says:

    In cricketing terms “Caught at slips”

    “Picking Cherries In New York Wine Country”

    https://realclimatescience.com/2019/08/picking-cherries-in-new-york-wine-country/

  55. Another Ian says:

    ‘U.K. PM Boris Johnson Planning Brexit Face-to-Face With Macron and Merkel…”

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/08/19/u-k-pm-boris-johnson-planning-brexit-face-to-face-with-macron-and-merkel/#more-168607

    FUD wind-up incoming

  56. Serioso says:

    I don’t suppose anyone of you will believe wikipedia:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

  57. p.g.sharrow says:

    Serioso SAYS “I don’t suppose anyone of you will believe wikipedia:”

    Ha, Ha, Ha…… Wikidedia hit piece is a word of authority on “Proud Boys” .
    You Fail in any classroom to point to that as a fact in any argument! Dunce Cap for you…pg

  58. Larry Ledwick says:

    LOL

    You mean the web site that actively wipes out corrective edits so fast you cannot reload the page to see the correction you just made?

    You mean the web site that has editors who live to manipulate certain topics and have thousands of edits of topics removing corrections to make sure they conform to their political agenda?

    You mean the page that won’t allow a person to modify false biographic information on themselves because “they are not a reliable source like CNN?

    You mean the web source that students are specifically prohibited from referencing in their projects because it is unreliable, and has repeatedly been caught pushing known bad informations?

    No sorry – Wikipedia is not trustworthy on any topic which is in any way controversial in the political domain. In fact on items of political controversy it is almost always 100% wrong and a pravda like propaganda source.

    You can usually assume that anything that is politically controversial published on wiki is almost always exactly the opposite of the truth.

  59. E.M.Smith says:

    One of my earluest experiences with the immorality of The Warmista Left and their lying for effect came about via Wiki Corruption.

    I had cited the Wiki on Jevon’s Paradox as to why conservation of carbon fuels would not reduce carbon uses. a now well known fact discovered by Jevons . … Then with remarkable speed the wiki was rewritten into a Jevons’ Paradox Hit Piece.

    Ever since then my practice has been to quote in full any wiki artucle I find and cite that accidentally has the truth in it…
    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2009/05/12/jevons-paradox-coal-oil-conservation/

    So no, the Wiki is about as clean as used toilet paper on anything with a political angle anywhere near it.

    I trust what I have SEEN the Proud Boys do and say. Not propaganda aimed at them.

  60. jim2 says:

    I urge Serioso to continue to research the Proud Boys – seeking information only from reputable sources.

  61. Another Ian says:

    jin2

    Looks like he’s given you a heads up on his idea of that?

  62. YMMV says:

    And in Greta news, there is a website devoted to tracking her progress across the Atlantic. It shows the historical track on top of the current Windy information.
    https://tracker.borisherrmannracing.com

    There are some photos of her in the boat here, and in one she almost has a smile. Still none of her where her lips are not clamped shut. (You will have to use Google to translate it — is there a non-Google way?)
    https://www.nettavisen.no/okonomi/fem-personer-flyr-til-usa-for-a-hente-greta-thunbergs-bat/3423831498.html

  63. Larry Ledwick says:

    Watch out – Ferret attack!

  64. philjourdan says:

    Serioso, I can see I was very wrong. There is no hope for you.

    First you did not say what you think you said, then lied about what you did say.

    To wit:

    One ofhe [sic] the things I love about this site is that when there is a conflict between the Proud Boys and the Antifa, no one says anything derogatory about the former. Tsk tsk!

    That was your first post. You did not qualify the “no one”, so you were wrong (and you actually proved yourself wrong in your 3rd post). All you have to do is read fake news and you will find plenty derogatory about the Proud Boys.

    Then you lied:

    As I said, that’s what I love about this site: Not ONE WORD about the ideology of the Proud Boys.

    You said nothing about commenting about their ideology in your first post. So you are either a liar, or incapable of reading what you write.

    Finally, with your 3rd post, you proved yourself wrong in the 1st post:

    I don’t suppose anyone of you will believe wikipedia:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

    So there are some speaking ill of the Proud Boys. But not a site to quote from as anyone who knows who William Connelly is, or who has actually been in school where even Chicago teachers will tell you that Wiki is not an acceptable source for ANY assignment. Which means you are either uneducated or merely ignorant.

    So you start out wrong, then lie about it, then demonstrate a lack of education.

    Way to make an impression. What next, more ad hominems?

  65. Larry Ledwick says:

    This item is from August 6 of this year but another case of renewables dropping out when most needed.

    https://abc13.com/news/energy-alert-issued-for-texas-what-it-means-for-your-electricity-usage/894061/

  66. E.M.Smith says:

    @Phil,

    To be fair, I think it was clear from context that Serioso ment to say “no one at this site says”.

    Though you are correct that his “complaint” does mutate between the tellings… and fails to allow for himself as resident badmouther of PB.

    So yes, precision is low. But more or less in keeping with Liberal Arts Majors today.

  67. beththeserf says:

    ‘WHAT is it ?’ That is the question, ‘what.’ Know ‘what’ they are by what they do.
    “Anti-first-amendment-ists’ that’s what they are. Fascists of the old ways in new guise. Call them what they are.

  68. tom0mason says:

    I came across an interesting video from https://climateofsophistry.com/2019/08/12/chart-of-politically-correct-beliefs/ . I thought I’d copy it over here as people may like the content.
    This young woman, ‘Amazing Polly’, explains ‘The Left Hunts Down Anyone Who Offends Their Cult’

  69. cdquarles says:

    Speaking of Serioso earlier, I have come across this: https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/08/the-washington-post-lies-about-a-conservative-journalist.php. Yes, this is not the NYT, Still, there is a style book which these outlets use and/or refer to when writing or editing stories. And Serioso wonders why we, who hear the Left’s side whether we want to or not (and they don’t hear ours, so much; and discount what they do see/hear/read because of their own biases), don’t believe much, if anything, of what they say. “It’s not that our ‘liberal’ friends are ignorant. It’s that so much of what they think they know, just isn’t so.” We’d cut them more slack if they were more honest and less strident while being such hypocrits.

  70. YMMV says:

    E.M.:

    Hong Kong is playing a very risky game with mainland China. Yes, China is violating the “hand back” agreement. What? You expected them to leave you running as a free country?

    No, you are to be integrated with the mainland. You have been given plenty of time to get ready for it. Kiss freedom goodby. The rest of the world will make all kinds of moaning and groaning sounds at your passing, and you will be remembered. For a while at least.

    I hope the bloodshed is not too bad as the Iron Boot of Communism descends on the people of Hong Kong.

    That was worth repeating. HK is a strange affair. First, that UK fought China in two Opium Wars — and UK fought because “China attempted to crack down an illegal opium trade that led to widespread addiction in China”. Bad UK. Didn’t they know it was supposed to be the war against drugs, not the war for drugs? The UK won both (I haven’t looked into how they did that yet) and in both victories they claimed part of what we know now as HK. So far, there is no “we will give it back to you later” part. Then the UK wanted more of HK (“to enforce its control of the area”) and they leased the rest of it for 99 years. I suppose “lease” and “99 years” were the compromise instead of “take” and “forever”. So generous.

    Then the UK actually did give it back! Tony Blair’s HKexit plan? Not really; discussions started in the seventies and Margaret Thatcher signed it. I guess she drew the line at the Faulkland Islands/Islas Malvinas.

    The Sino-British Joint Declaration gave Hong Kong “some” political and social autonomy through a “one country, two systems” policy for a 50-year-period — up until 2047. That “some” did not include democratic elections and probably a number of other things we take for granted.

    “After the handover, Hong Kong became a Special Administrative Region of China with its own “mini constitution,” legal system, and some democratic rights like free speech and the freedom of assembly under its Basic Law. However, Hong Kong residents cannot elect their own leaders;”

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/topics/reference/hong-kong-history-explain-relationship-china/

    “Pro-democracy activists have been campaigning for years for Hong Kong people to have the right to elect their own leader.” For example, there were massive protests from April to August 2014.

    Good summary here:
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/reversion-to-Chinese-sovereignty-1020544

    President Jiang “reassured residents that China would carry out the “one country, two systems” plan of local autonomy” while “several thousand specially trained troops […] were deployed in Hong Kong as garrison forces symbolizing the reassertion of China’s sovereignty.”

    Prince Charles “told the people of Hong Kong, “We shall not forget you, and we shall watch with the closest interest as you embark on this new era of your remarkable history.”” I read that as “we hope”, not “we have your back”.

    “The United States, rather than Great Britain, was the principal Western power interested in holding China to its pledge of respecting Hong Kong’s political and economic autonomy.”
    Note that demonstrators are waving Stars and Stripes, not Union Jacks.

    But little countries do tend to be eaten up despite American efforts (even including the CIA). Tibet by China. Sikkim by India (preempting China). Should I mention Vietnam and NK?

    Taiwan is still holding out.

  71. Larry Ledwick says:

    On the antifa discussion, this sort of thing is why sane people oppose antifa and recognize it for what it is the 21’st century incarnation of the German Brown shirts and the Italian Black shirts of the early 1900’s

    It is plain and simple a political terror and intimidation auxillary of the Democratic (correction American Communist) party.

    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/08/19/minds-event-organizers-antifa-threatens-to-burn-down-theater-hosting-debate-on-political-violence/

  72. Another Ian says:

    cdquarles says:
    20 August 2019 at 2:44 pm

    ” “It’s not that our ‘liberal’ friends are ignorant. It’s that so much of what they think they know, just isn’t so.” ”

    In modern terminology depending on “unknown knowns”

  73. jim2 says:

    (I wonder if they have a go-fund-me or some such page)
    As the Proud Boys approached East 82nd Street, they saw six suspected antifa protesters heading toward them and a brawl erupted.
    Prosecutor Joshua Steinglass argued at trial that the Proud Boys clearly instigated the combat.
    Kinsman and Hare testified that they felt threatened and acted in self-defense.
    A total of 10 Proud Boys were charged in connection with the incident. Seven of them took plea deals, and one is still awaiting trial.

    https://nypost.com/2019/08/19/proud-boys-maxwell-hare-john-kinsman-convicted-for-ues-brawl-with-antifa/

    Here is a better video:

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/10/16/watch-nypd-releases-video-antifa-attack-republican-club/

  74. Larry Ledwick says:

    Gee who would have thought that drugs intended to affect the brain might change the brain – what an original concept.

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-08-19-study-shows-ritalin-adhd-drugs-change-the-structure-of-childrens-brains.html

  75. Another Ian says:

    E.M. Might be of interest

    “About: Consciousness of Sheep blog
    Hi. I am Tim Watkins, I am, for my sins, a social and economic scientist with a background in public policy research…
    I first started the Consciousness of Sheep website as an offshoot from my book of the same title. It has, however, morphed into a running commentary on the slow motion train wreck that is Western civilisation in general and its British variant in particular. My sole aim with this website is to raise awareness of the predicament of the “three Es” (Economy, Energy and Environment)…
    I keep the site up to date with a little help from my buddies: Julia Kaye from Waye Forward Publishing and Vladimir Morozov from OpenCreation web design…
    https://consciousnessofsheep.co.uk/about/

    http://joannenova.com.au/2019/08/bluescope-spends-a-billion-in-us-because-cheap-energy/#comment-2178424

    And Jo’s article on the effect of high energy prices and business investment – “who’d have thunk it”

  76. A C Osborn says:

    jim2 says: 21 August 2019 at 12:13 am
    I wonder if thery showed the Breitbart video to the Jury?

  77. jim2 says:

    @Another Ian says:
    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2019/08/16/w-o-o-d-16-august-2019/#comment-115966

    The sheep website appears to have a climate-alarmist orientation. Not my cup of tea.

  78. jim2 says:

    @A C Osborn says:
    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2019/08/16/w-o-o-d-16-august-2019/#comment-115967

    I was wondering the same thing. Being NY, I am thinking these guys were railroaded to prison. And nothing happened to the Anti-FirstAmendent guys??? They wouldn’t even witness in court, making the conviction even more flimsy.

    There is a web site that describes “extremist” groups. To them, the Proud Boys were “racism, Islamophobia, anti-Semitism and misogyny.”

    https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/proud-boys

    And although anti-FirstAmendment are also violent, it’s kind of OK because” “That said, it is important to reject attempts to claim equivalence between the antifa and the white supremacist groups they oppose. Antifa reject racism but use unacceptable tactics.That said, it is important to reject attempts to claim equivalence between the antifa and the white supremacist groups they oppose. Antifa reject racism but use unacceptable tactics.”

    https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/who-are-antifa

    So, anti-FirstAmendment uses violence, but that’s OK because they are against racism and “white supremacists.” Nevermind Proud Boys are simply proud of their country and don’t buy into the SJW mentality.

  79. H.R. says:

    Here we go folks!

    Someone with deep pockets (Walmart!) is suing Tesla. This could get interesting, though I’m sure it will take quite a while to play out.

    Will others join in? Stay tuned…

    https://www.pcmag.com/news/370308/walmart-sues-tesla-after-solar-panels-cause-fires

  80. Larry Ledwick says:

    Ref solar panel install issues;

    Walmart has now de-energized all its SolarCity rooftop installations, but one of the fires apparently occurred after being de-energized.

    People forget that solar panels are “hot” electrically speaking when exposed to light so just because they turned off the power panel connection to the grid, does not shut off the power from the panels. The only way to do that is to cover the panels with an opaque cover.

    When Office of Emergency Management was building our solar powered emergency communications van one of the technicians demonstrated that issue by blowing the end off of a screw driver while the panels were illuminated in full sun but the “system was turned off”.

  81. p.g.sharrow says:

    Larry remarks on solar panels, reminds me,. I just gave a lesson to an associate about working on a solar PV system we have started working on building. We just purchased 50-200watt used panels and are converting them to grid-tie modules. These can have 65-70 vdc on them in good sun, Enough to weld with or kill you! NOT a toy!
    I have found that a lot of commercial systems built 10 years ago are being upgraded and the used equipment is beginning to come on the market in volume at very good prices. …pg

  82. E.M.Smith says:

    @P.G.:

    Really? Hmmm…. Where does one find “used solar panels for sale cheap” other than Walmart?
    8-{)

  83. p.g.sharrow says:

    I’ve got 50, twice what I need. Sanyo 200BA 10 years old. Bought 2 pallets of 25 from a shop in Grass Valley from a FaceBook ad, Got 12 grid-tie controllers off of ebay…pg

  84. Larry Ledwick says:

    https://www.solar-estimate.org/news/can-you-purchase-used-solar-panels-and-are-they-worth-it

    http://www.pvsolarmodules.com/

    Looks like there are several source just need to poke around search results a bit.

    http://www.pvsolarmodules.com/

    When I bought mine, I bought new from amazon to get current production from pretty much the same lot of production.

    Years ago I bought “pull off” panels used from Gateway electronics in St. Louis from their local store here in Denver but they no longer have a local outlet here and looking at their website in St Louis looks like right now they don’t have any old panels for sale.

    The used I got had to have new connection pigtails put on as many were damaged when they were pulled out but they were good enough for a small emergency power setup and some experimentation at a great price.

    Right now you can get current production 100 watt panels from amazon for about $0.83 a watt.
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074DZNN8T/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title

  85. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting article on evidence found of much more significant solar storms in the past than previously believed, circa 660 BC. This implies that planning based on the Carrington event as the most likely severe case is probably inadequate to protect against a really worst case solar storm.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/mar/11/radioactive-particles-from-huge-solar-storm-found-in-greenland

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  87. David A says:

    General ? Does anyone have a link to a list of top CAGW skeptics? ( Richard Lindzen etc…)

  88. A C Osborn says:

    David A says: 22 August 2019 at 5:14 am
    General ? Does anyone have a link to a list of top CAGW skeptics? ( Richard Lindzen etc…)
    The recent blacklist has them, but not there web addresses.
    You can look on WUWT side bar and any other forum’s that have them for addresses.

  89. E.M.Smith says:

    @David A:

    I’m pretty sure the Warmistas do… Keeping enemies lists is one of their things…

    I’d start with looking at a list of speakers at Heartland ICCC meetings.
    https://climateconference.heartland.org/schedule/

    @Ilanfar:

    I’ve worked at Disney (as a contractor) for a total of about 5 years (in various 18 month or less chunks). It is mostly just what it seems to be, a theme park and movie creator.

    Also note that my Father In Law was a Mason. Every Mason I’ve met has been an honorable person. I’ve thought of joining up, but the idea of rote memorizing a bunch of silly stuff is just something I could not quite embrace. A bit too much “mumbo jumbo”… but nice folks.

    So that’s my bias.

    That said, Disney is, culturally, a somewhat strange place to work. There’s a hard code you must follow in “guest” relations (and a set of elements you must memorize… and will be measured on. Things like how much “show” you have in your interactions and that the guest is always right… “Never a negative word” kind of stuff). Now I was “backstage” just making computers go; but that cultural element soaks in even there. I was chastised for having said that someone needed to do their job as they were the major impediment to completion of a project. Can’t have those Negative Waves after-all… even if the person was the major problem.

    As to a lot of the other “keys” in the article: Well, do remember that in the ’40s to ’60s various government agencies had a good reputation (unlike now). The FBI and CIA were held in fairly high esteem. Working with them, or hiring folks from them, would have been seen as a very positive thing. Chastising someone for normal behaviour then is a bit tacky.

    Then there’s that pedophile hook. I see nothing in it but slander. Disney is incredibly devoted to guest comfort and security especially for children. Yes, it can be a bit creepy how much surveillance they have, but crime is kept to near zero. There are hidden cameras all over the place and a security room with folks watching the crowd. Someone starts a fight or something, there’s undercover and uniformed “security” that appears from nowhere and cleans it up. There’s an entire Other Magic Kingdom under the top layer (it is really on the roof of the underground0 and stairs lead up to “secret entrances” all over the place.

    I’ve been in that video room and seen what the cameras can do. One in the middle of the Magic Kingdom park can zoom in on a single person at the front gate. It must be a very expensive lens / camera to do that. Any kid is getting handled badly, or lost, or in trouble; help will suddenly appear.

    Now, might might Walt have had a fondness for a young boy with talent and wanted to help him along? I’d not be surprised at all. Does that mean anything was sexual? NO! Not at all. I really don’t want to live in a world where any time a grown man thinks a child is cute and likes to help them along, he gets slander and accusations of vile intent. To that extent, that article is just creating muck out of thin air. Old guys regularly see kids who remind them of themselves at that age, and try to give the kid the help they never had. Turning that into a suspicion of evil is itself evil.

    So, in summary, while I find Disney, the company today, a bit over controlling of it’s workers and somewhat odd as a corporate culture; I’ve seen nothing to indicate Walt Disney was anything but a very inventive and kind man who loved animation and fun places. As with ALL media companies, it isn’t a surprise that Government Control Agencies would try to infiltrate it. Then, once you have tens of thousands of employees, to find that a few have done something criminal is about as surprising as saying the sun rises. I can tell you the Disney Corporation does a more complete background check than any other company I’ve ever worked for to try to screen out such people. Overall an interesting link, but a decidedly biased and innuendo laden one.

  90. Larry Ledwick says:

    On the prior discussion about antifa and proudboys
    New video angle came out of antifa mobbing a man and his 11 year old daughter and chasing them out of a public place.

    (note)
    as usual lots of foul language from the antifa thugs

  91. E.M.Smith says:

    That guy did an amazing job of keeping the mob off of him and the kid. Very good situational awareness. Decent, though not great, technique. I figure the evident (even if mostly just decorative) armor and helmet helped. As did his size…

    I’m also amazed at his restraint. Had that been me, first one to lay a hand on me or the kid would walk funny and talk funny for a week… I have a very fast kick and a very long reach that lets me plant finger tips on throat before most folks even think something is happening. Inside their “recognition / reaction” time. I’d have likely ended up talking with Officer Obie at the station…

    Note to Self: Put a chin strap on the Cowboy Hard Hat and put the Motorcycle Jacket in the car… Also investigate Nice Sturdy Canes…Old folks need canes, don’t you know… (I have a cane, but it’s a take down and will break at the screw joint in the middle. Taken apart, though, it makes two nice sized clubs… one with a heavy brass birds head… with beak… maybe I’ll put it in the car… but a regular wood cane would be less of a question…) Oh, and I do need to get some safety glasses that don’t look like much, but are. Saw them at Home Depot or Lowes but didn’t have the bucks at the time.

    I have no interest in looking for trouble, but given the Mob Mentality, that I’m a White Male and they are clearly racist and sexist haters of White Males, well, better to have the gear close if I make a wrong turn into a blocked street…

  92. Larry Ledwick says:

    Johnny Carson on entertainers and political comment (middle part of the video clip)

    https://truepundit.com/watch-johnny-carsons-prophetic-warning-that-would-have-saved-a-liberalized-hollywood-television-video/

    On the Gladiator – yes I agree, although I also think part of his choice of costume is to be easily identifiable to his daughter, hard to get lost in the crowd when all you have to do is look for the comb on the top of the helmet.

    It does also illustrate the Antifa tactic of swarming. Now the logical defense tactic for that is for a group of allies to lurk off on the side outside the main scrum and watch and then when Antifa starts that surround and overwhelm tactic the Calvary arrives and takes the Antifa direct action folks out from the outside, plus have a rescue cadre who’s job is to punch through the surround and backup the principle that is getting over whelmed.

    That is pretty much what the Proud Boys have done on several occasions only it was on individual initiative I think rather than a planned tactical method.

  93. E.M.Smith says:

    Gladiator also would rotate and scan, find the “weak side” of the mob, then move the “protectee” into that space and retreat into it after her. Constantly preventing an envelopment. Always presenting a “business end” of the team to the attackers. Never being overwhelmed by the circumstance. Never losing focus. Always sticking to business. Not getting suckered into a grapple while applying force as needed to back of the lead mobster. Fast quick hit and move.

    Just nicely done.

    In Karate, we trained for mass attacks. One of the key bits of the strategy was exactly that. IF one of the mob starts to encircle, you move immediately toward the open space (or into that one if they are in the most open spot – then you grab them and throw them into the others… kinetic shield ;-)

    By doing that, you always have someone “in the lead” of the attack. You are never attacked from behind. That lead person becomes your target for an “educational” strike (or disabling if it gets that serious) and is used as shield against those behind him. (People never travel at the same rate, so someone always leads a bit and others are behind. Accentuate that by moving faster if needed.)

    I don’t know if Gladiator has training, but he seemed to know what to do.

  94. H.R. says:

    I haven’t seen any evidence of Antifa in ‘Our Fair City.’ I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that concealed carry is very, very common in our region. We are even allowed to carry concealed at our State Fair! (Must have your permit. Must be well-concealed.)

    Antifa would have to go out one-on-one around here, and that’s not their style. Otherwise, two or three or more in a group with the weapons typical of Antifa and threating an individual would likely go home with several of the Antifa, if not all of them, sporting extra openings in their bodies. The downside for citizens is the paperwork.

  95. Larry Ledwick says:

    Antifa works mostly in areas where the local political system is supportive and turns a blind eye to their actions and comes down hard on those that defend themselves so it is a mutually supporting setup where the police are neutered, the courts are leaning to one side and the political types shield the black bloc groups.

    So you see it in places like Portland, Berkeley, San Antonio etc where you have hard core sanctuary city type policies that enable Antifa, and any violence is blamed on the other protesters.

  96. jim2 says:

    This guy is in Columbia, not Venezuela, but he does a good bit of reporting on the people leaving Venezuela and their condition and life situation. I don’t have a twitter account, but can read his.

    https://twitter.com/dylanbaddour?lang=en

  97. Larry Ledwick says:

    This is actually funny – AOC is and Sanders among others are screaming about the risks of global warming and sea level rise.

    Yet President Obama is reported to be buying a $14.87 million mansion in Martha’s Vineyard which is 5.65 ft above sea level.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/458411-obamas-reportedly-buying-marthas-vineyard-mansion

    google map link

    https://www.landvest.com/property/118347933/79-turkeyland-cove-road-edgartown-ma-02539/
    https://www.landvest.com/property/118347933/79-turkeyland-cove-road-edgartown-ma-02539/#

  98. Larry Ledwick says:

    Well this inspires confidence in our election processes
    The physical keys used to unlock the covers on many voting machines are readily available.

    https://www.foxnews.com/tech/i-have-the-keys-to-your-voting-machine-probably

  99. Ossqss says:

    Why in the world would you bring a kid to that?

    Frankly, all he needed to do was pull the masks off and they would slither back into their moms basements.

    Lookin for trouble in all the wrong places IMHO, basically alone. Not wise or needed.

    I just came back from HR territory to ight after 4 days of training. I was Spartacus in the Atlanta airport ;-)

    None of the establishments had Busch Light! I will not be going back o Canton……. PLEASE INSERT canton for the word Cali in this Vid.

  100. H.R. says:

    @Ossqss – What?!? You were in the neighborhood and didn’t let me know?

    You were staying just a splish over an hour away. Heck! I’d have run some emergency Busch Light up to you.

    Oh well. You’ll be back for more training at some point. Old dog… tricks… and all that. ;o)

  101. E.M.Smith says:

    @Ossqss:

    It is an interesting question about “The Kid”. I’ve seen one video reporter saying they needed to issue a correction that it was NOT a kid, but an adult petite woman. So some confusion about “Is it a kid or a small woman?”… IF it is in fact an adult, the context makes more sense as she has “own agency”. OTOH, as a couple the size mismatch is a bit extreme…

    I don’t know which it is so left it as “probably kid”… but I also don’t know what “event” Gladiator was going to. Was he wading in to Antifa? Going to a Reenactor Faire and got caught? Comming home from a Frat Party? I just don’t know why he was where he was nor motivation.

    Given that Antifa is known to seek out people and attack them, their homes, and all: There’s every possibility that they sought him or his venue…

    Some facts would sure help straighten things out in the story line.

  102. Ossqss says:

    @HR, I would have pinged ya, but virtually every minute was scheduled from 5am when I left Monday to 11pm when I got back last night. Next time Bro!

  103. jim2 says:

    1619 Project

    Slavery In America Did Not Begin In 1619, And Other Things The New York Times Gets Wrong

    The 1619 Project isn’t mostly about helping Americans understand the role of slavery in our history. It’s mostly about convincing Americans that ‘America’ and ‘slavery’ are synonyms.

    https://thefederalist.com/2019/08/23/slavery-america-not-begin-1619-things-nyts-project-gets-wrong/

  104. H.R. says:

    @Ossqss – I know how that goes, depending on the company. Some of them ‘put on the dog’ when they call in people for training or vendor conferences and have cocktail parties and nice dinners scheduled each evening.

    I’ve known of a few companies that do that and/or have some activities to choose from, such a quick 9 holes or fishing or maybe a trip to the high end retail area if it’s in a larger city. Or they leave it up to you to find your own trouble.

    I also considered that it may be your opportunity to do some necessary networking, but then the way the territories are set up, I wasn’t sure that applied to you. But then again, there are some tricks of the trade to be shared with other attendees, since you all seem to have exclusive territories.

    Anyhow, there oughta be a ‘next time’ so depending on the agenda they send you, give me a shout ahead of time if you see there’s an opening.

  105. jim2 says:

    Ever notice we never hear about RBG having cancer until AFTER the treatment?

  106. E.M.Smith says:

    @Jim2:

    Yeah… so what is it now, 3rd or 4th? Pancreatic, colon, lung, and?..

    She’s run out of telomeres and stem cells and has entered a race condition she inevitably will lose.

    The big question is just “when?”.

    She is hoping for post inauguration 2021 or at least post election with an appointment block.

    The country needs a Trump win in 2020 and her seeing the light… (go toward the light, Ruth…)

    I wonder when they will just put a porthole in her….

    (Cows at the Veterinary school in Davis have glass portholes installed so Dr. In Training can just open the door to see inside the stomach and take samples…. so it is a proven technology. She could go in for her weekly cancer removal every Friday after work… no anesthesia, no recuperation needed…) /sarc;

    This round was radiation. My sense of it is that radiation is used when surgery can’t. I.e. she’s in bad shape with poor prognosis. Just my speculation and not based in facts, just what it looks like.

  107. E.M.Smith says:

    FWIW, on the XU4 running Armbian with a Devuan “uplift”, it DOES have a value in /etc/machine-id and the file is mode 444 (i.e. not writable by anyone including owner / root and readable by anyone).

    (Actual number changed to protect any prior history leakage…):

    root@odroidxu4:/# cat /etc/machine-id 
    4fb730e53c8ca2a2224c3fc17a340c7d
    

    what it is now:

    root@odroidxu4:/etc# cat machine-id 
    00000000000000000000000000000000
    

    I’ve saved the old one (cp machine-id OLD_machine-id) prior to changing it.

    I’ll be running with the all zeros one and seeing if anything breaks.

    Machine-id? MACHINE-ID?! We don’t need no Steeenking MACHINE-ID!!!!

    An apt-get upgrade upgraded some python libraries, so I’m going to try running mariadb / graphing here again. With luck they have fixed the issue with legends. Here’s hoping ;-)

  108. Larry Ledwick says:

    In other news Info-Wars is on the ground in Hong Kong and the mainstream media are not happy.

    short video street interviews in Hong Kong
    Info Wars street Interviews Hong Kong protests

  109. Larry Ledwick says:

    The basis of the Hong Kong protests is the extradition treaty, but also being included is the impending use of a blanket of facial recognition cameras like in mainland china.

    https://saraacarter.com/keep-your-hands-off-hong-kong-china-warns-u-s/

  110. Larry Ledwick says:

    One observers comments on the “coming storm” as forces opposed to the GEB’s try to take down or neuter world wide networks of organized crime and both civic and governmental corruption.

    Interesting food for thought, although I don’t fully agree with every aspect of his observations ( I think a few of the things he thinks are done deals are far from that, and as the generals say, “the enemy gets a vote”. These efforts to throw off the blanket of corruption and a two tiered legal system could provoke some unexpected reactions as it will be stepping on some very powerful toes, and may be breaking critical systems that some will be willing to take otherwise unthinkable actions to prevent the fall of those systems.

    https://mailchi.mp/martingeddes/thestorm-how-to-prepare-for-a-global-corruption-purge

    As the basic principles of preparedness show, we are likely entering into a period of rapid societal shift and lots of systems we take for granted my change or fall by the wayside.

    An analogy when the sky turns dark and foreboding time to pay attention and recognize that things may not be what they seem and both sides, (the globalist view, or the nationalist view) will likely have some big surprises as they discover long standing assumptions were not valid or even completely wrong.

    My biggest worry is how far will the leaders of China be willing to go to preserve their power and control? Could the coming confrontations push them in a corner like pre WWII Japan where they feel they have no choice but to go all in on forceful opposition to the impending changes?

    My second worry is which side is Russia really on (always on Russia’s side of course but what do they really see as being in Russia’s best interests). If allied against globalism they could be a strong force to re-order the world political, financial and international systems. If allied with China to form a partnership to dominate the free world it could get very ugly very fast. Both have worked hard to modernize their military systems and are now becoming true near-peer military powers, and in some areas perhaps dominate powers inside certain spheres of influence.

    If their interests merge they could form an opposing force that literally is stronger than the combined resources of the US and our dependable allies.

    Major global cooling could also force the hand of Russia to strongly move south for warm water ports and agricultural resources to feed its population.

  111. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting observation about the increasing electrical power dependence of our culture.

    Went down to Lowes to try to pick up a saw (wood) and found that they no longer carry any conventional wood saws, cross cut, or universal tooth styles. The only wood saw I found was a small cheap miter saw (which was what I was looking for but wanted a better quality).

    It will work but not my preferred choice.

    So almost all the wood working tools available over the counter now are electrical, circular miter saws, chop saws, jig saws and such. They had blades for a coping saw but no handles in stock.

    If you need any traditional wood working tools might want to get them while you can. It is also almost impossible (except for Amazon) to buy a conventional brace and bit hand drill also, or the little egg beater drills except very cheap plastic gear knockoffs out of china.

    Same with a conventional plane, very hard to find new in good quality.

    That leaves you buying wood working tools from specialty suppliers, which of course are the very high end master carpenter tools wood chisels etc.

    ——
    On other note dropped in on the local Whole Foods and picked up a couple 11 Oz jars of grass fed beef tallow. Kind of expensive ($13.90 per jar if I remember correctly) but will see if I like cooking with it.

  112. H.R. says:

    @Larry: I have been building up my stock of woodworking tools lately. I have a few tools from the turn of the century that I acquired some 40 years ago and a few from the 50s and 60s.

    I have been looking for a brace and bits, an eggbeater drill, a good jack plane and a few draw knives. I checked online and there are still some at reasonable prices.

    What I’m going to do, though, is check out the several antique malls that are within an hour or two drive from my house. There are also some monthly flea markets at various county fairgrounds that are weighted towards antiques and collectables. There are still plenty of old tools available around my region.

    Doh! And it just occurred to me to go to a few Amish hardware stores. I’m in Amish country and there are some hardware stores nearby that have all the old tools available brand new and in the box. (1/2 hour to an hour away will yield a half-dozen stores)

    When my wife and I were first married, we lived one block down from a hardware store that catered to the Amish. Cars parked on the side and buggies parked at the rear. I’ll start with that one .

    I doubt if there are any Amish hardware stores in the Denver metro area ;o) but there should be some antique malls and flea markets to check out. I like that source over online because you can examine a purchase before parting with any money.

  113. E.M.Smith says:

    There are Amish even into California… (My relatives are everywhere ;-)

    Maybe there will be a market for the old Smithy Skills after all… I never really thought about it much, but… The first two things I had to make for Dad to be happy were a screwdriver and a chisel. (Then you can make a file.. then…)

    Looks like WallyWorld has them available, but down near the bottom of the first page. After a (GAK!) “powered” hand saw…
    https://www.walmart.com/browse/home-improvement/hand-saws/1072864_1031899_1067609_1067745/

    You can order things from the Walmart web site for pickup at the local store, so even if they don’t stock it you avoid shipping and all that.

    I have a small hand saw, but maybe I need to put a couple of bits away…

  114. Larry Ledwick says:

    Yeah Stanley etc. wood working tools are poor seconds to “real wood working tools” the saws so not have proper kerf to cut well in sticky wood, but will work for a hobby project where you will only make a few cuts. I have purchased several over the last few years and was not much impressed.
    The wood working chisels won’t hold a good edge – I also have on occasion gone into pawn shops and looked at the tools. Often times they are professional quality tools pawned by someone working for a living in that field.

    The other odd place to look for wood working tools is in the hardware stores in high end neighborhoods where folks have the time and money to hand build cabinet work and rocking chairs as a hobby.

    I recently bought a draw knife on Amazon, and found an acceptable brace and bit, but it is not near the quality my Dad had. (also almost all wood bits now have hex drive shanks rather than the old tapered square that fit the old brace and bit hand drills)

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000X2CMUG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DS5QS9Q/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8
    https://www.amazon.com/Bench-Plane-No-Adjustable-14-Inches/dp/B078BRW283/ref=sr_1_7
    compare ($54 vs $220)
    https://www.amazon.com/WoodRiver-5-Bench-Plane-V3/dp/B003VQYAVU/ref=sr_1_10

  115. Larry Ledwick says:

    Back on my previous post about China and the enemy gets a vote.

    All China needs is for a single shipment of this class to get out of control (highway accident, intentional wide area release etc.) and the death toll would dwarf 9/11.

    This is clandestine chemical warfare. Either kill 70-100 thousand a year through drug overdose by intentional drug users and those accidentally exposed like police, fire and medical or have a catastrophic release under the right conditions to kill the equivalent or a large city in a matter or minutes.

  116. E.M.Smith says:

    23 TONs! OMG.

    I hesitate to speak the ways that could be used untraceably…..

  117. jim2 says:

    The Clinton’s will be pissed to hear their shipment was cancelled.

  118. Power Grab says:

    One of the first tools I bought was an egg-beater drill. It should be in storage somewhere. I also bought a hammer. Dad gave me an adjustable wrench when I left for college. I had my bicycle, so he figured I would need it.

    I often look for good, old kitchen gadgets on eBay because the newer gadgets (mostly made in China) are not as good as the old, American-made gadgets made when planned obsolescence wasn’t so prevalent.

    I asked my mom if I could have her egg beater and vegetable peeler. She let me have them. I had bought a new egg beater and vegetable peeler, but they were nowhere near as good as her old ones. That’s why I asked for hers.

  119. Power Grab says:

    @ EM re:
    “I hesitate to speak the ways that could be used untraceably…..”

    Good call. Don’t give them ideas.

  120. Larry Ledwick says:

    I pick up old kitchen gadgets down and the thrift store. Lots of things you just cannot hardly find any more like accessories used for making apple sauce and canning / strainers etc.

    Picked up one of these recently in nearly new condition but made with real steel and probably 50+ years old.

    I think I paid $5.00 for it.
    https://www.amazon.com/Mirro-Stainless-Healthy-Cookware-3-5-Quart/dp/B000LNUM8Q/ref=sr_1_3

  121. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larry L: Per Russia:

    Russia always acts for Russia. They forn alliances of convenience, but not trust.

    Russia is deeply suspect of China (with good cause), but more suspicious of Germany / EU / Holy Roman Empire. They see themselves as rightful heirs to the Eastern Roman Empire (also with some cause).

    They know the cold is coming and have already secured their warm water port in Crimea, along with warmer farms in East Ukraine. They are poised to reclaim Romania and Bulgaria and unify the Southern Slavs if need be (but won’t do it until necessary, messy business…) and will be happy with satrap trade via local dominance. They are securing allies in Syria & related, and opening moves with Turkey. Meanwhile, they get Germany dependent on their gas to stay warm.

    Just masterfully played.

    I doubt they will need a war. Just some minor military encroachment, and local dependant States, coupled with Slavic Brotherhood as seasoning for the former Yugoslavia…

    As for China, in the cold and dry, resources are more south… Kashmir, S.E. Asia. And importantly, the South China Sea to the Philippines….

    IMHO, we are most likely to see an uneasy truce on the mutual China Russia border, maybe trading some of Mongolia, while both push south and toward warmer waters…

    To the extent the two of them can convince their only real counterforce parties (USA EU UK Australua / New Zealand) to destroy their manufacturing and econimic base with climate nonsense and demographic suicide, well, “a house divided against itself shall not stand…” nor fight back nor resist…

    Only real wild card is India….

  122. Larry Ledwick says:

    Bit more on China’s situation.

  123. p.g.sharrow says:

    Chima’s situation is severe, their economic model is to cut prices to be the cheapest provider and starve out all the rest of the worlds manufactures or get them to move to China for cheap labor, the only thing they have to sell. BUT!, They are not really the lowest COST supplier because they cheat and steal. Now Trump has added to their headache by making them a high cost supplier to their customers with this tariff program. The Wall Street talking heads whine about the cost to consumers, their bottom line profits from shipping manufacturing to China will be taking a hit. GOOD by me, Jobs will increase in America where the actual cost of wealth creation is the lowest to the Nation. The Chinese must lower their prices or lose their markets to American producers. A catch 22 for them that they can’t win. Their population has been well controlled by increased wealth promises of increasing standards of living, High American tariffs on their goods and high Chinese tariffs on American supplies are a double whammy on Chinese workers/consumers and peace in the country. Their own cheating will be their downfall. ..pg

  124. beththeserf says:

    Meaty comments re some recent news by Scott Adams. ‘Not a lot of problems we can’t handle. Around 3.o freedom of religion in the US and the Wall, @ 10.50, on Trump voice on CNN ‘sSteve Cortez, where is he now? @ 12.59 Ruth G Bader and the connotations of the statement of those Supreme Court wordsmiths.@ 22.40 Michael Mann and his failed Court Case. , …there’s China and Trump and a Scott Adams prediction and moah re Google in a similar situation to Michael Mann if sued re that algorithm.

  125. Another Ian says:

    “3 weeks to go till Climate Propaganda Week starts”

    http://joannenova.com.au/2019/08/3-weeks-to-go-til-climate-propaganda-week-starts/

    FYI – the Amazon fires are likely an opening salvo.

  126. Another Ian says:

    “Leaving it to the market plus the rule of law”

    “A quite interesting article that adds to our understanding of why China is in such a hurry to shut down Hong Kong: Why People in Hong Kong Have Incomes 5x Higher Than People in China’s Richest Province. It’s not long, but will give you quite an understanding of what has made the difference. But I particularly wanted to point out the principles that lie behind its success.”

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2019/08/26/leaving-it-to-the-market-plus-the-rule-of-law/

  127. Another Ian says:

    E.M.

    What re people using by way of anti-virus, vpn etc?

    I’m looking for suggestions. TIA

  128. llanfar says:

    I currently use IPVanish. Haven’t done any recent reviews of the field though.

  129. E.M.Smith says:

    I’ve not yet gotten a VPN account. I’ve used some free ones on the tablet, but not often and randomly chosen. It’s on my “ToDo List” to figure out who is actually any good.

    I’ve generally just avoided doing things where it would matter, but that’s becoming harder to do as ever more “stuff” is now subject to snooping AND being weaponized against innocents. To the point where “Slightly Left” folks are having mobs call them “Nazis” and show up at their homes to threaten. I’ve been kept safe in part via my name being functionally Anonymous Anonymous, but that strategy is reaching deprecation…

  130. E.M.Smith says:

    Log files are such fun… NOT!

    Having become sensitized to the issue of log files… I discovered that the logs on the UX4 were larger than I’d expected. Looking at /var/log/messages, it had a lot of:

    2019 [try http://www.rsyslog.com/e/2007 ]
    Aug 26 06:05:01 localhost rsyslogd-2007: action 'action 17' suspended, next retry is Mon Aug 26 06:06:31 
    2019 [try http://www.rsyslog.com/e/2007 ]
    Aug 26 06:15:01 localhost rsyslogd-2007: action 'action 17' suspended, next retry is Mon Aug 26 06:16:31 
    2019 [try http://www.rsyslog.com/e/2007 ]
    Aug 26 06:17:01 localhost rsyslogd-2007: action 'action 17' suspended, next retry is Mon Aug 26 06:18:31 
    2019 [try http://www.rsyslog.com/e/2007 ]
    Aug 26 06:25:01 localhost rsyslogd-2007: action 'action 17' suspended, next retry is Mon Aug 26 06:26:31 
    2019 [try http://www.rsyslog.com/e/2007 ]
    Aug 26 06:25:08 localhost rsyslogd: [origin software="rsyslogd" swVersion="8.4.2" x-pid="1962" x-info="ht
    tp://www.rsyslog.com"] rsyslogd was HUPed
    

    Searching on “action ‘action 17’ suspended” landed me at:

    https://blog.dantup.com/2016/04/removing-rsyslog-spam-on-raspberry-pi-raspbian-jessie/

    Who has a script entry to just nuke everything at the end of /etc/rsyslog.conf and chop it off. I chose to just use vi and place a “#” at the front of each line to comment them out.

    The annoying bit is:

    # The named pipe /dev/xconsole is for the `xconsole' utility.  To use it,
    # you must invoke `xconsole' with the `-file' option:
    # 
    #    $ xconsole -file /dev/xconsole [...]
    #
    # NOTE: adjust the list below, or you'll go crazy if you have a reasonably
    #      busy site..
    #
    daemon.*;mail.*;\
        news.err;\
        *.=debug;*.=info;\
        *.=notice;*.=warn   |/dev/xconsole
    

    That I turned into:

    root@odroidxu4:/# tail /etc/rsyslog.conf
    # 
    #    $ xconsole -file /dev/xconsole [...]
    #
    # NOTE: adjust the list below, or you'll go crazy if you have a reasonably
    #      busy site..
    #
    #daemon.*;mail.*;\
    #	news.err;\
    #	*.=debug;*.=info;\
    #	*.=notice;*.=warn	|/dev/xconsole
    

    As he ran into it on a R. Pi, it is likely everywhere… it is certainly in the Armbian on the XU4.

    As I’m not running an xconsole, no reason to write to it, nor log all the errors when the write fails.

    By just commenting the lines out, I can restore them at any time should I wish to have an active console AND I can see what modification was done.

    Yes, it would be nice to put this “edit to a comment” in the build script… but not, I think, today…

  131. E.M.Smith says:

    Hmmmm….. these folks sell low temp Bismuth alloy in 2.5 lb lots at about $20/ lb and pure bismuth shot at about $10 / lb in one pound lots…
    https://www.belmontmetals.com/store/?swoof=1&pa_alloys=low-melting-fusible-alloys

    Very reasonable for casting your own low tox bullets… (avoid the alloys w Cd in them)

  132. Larry Ledwick says:

    Speaking of rolling your own some entertainment for the mad scientists in the crowd.

    a look at various shot shell options

    shot shell tests #2

    shot shell tests #3

    shot shell tests #4

    shot shell tests #4

    The “waxer” is basically a home made gigantic glaser safety slug using wax as a bonding agent rather that pressure sintering the shot into a shot cup

    It might be interesting to use hot melt glue rather than wax to avoid having the bonding agent run out of the shell when it gets hot. (you would have to use something like a “shot cup” made of aluminum foil to keep from bonding the “hot melt waxer” to the shell.

    This is basically another way to make a “cut shell” like self defense load.

  133. Larry Ledwick says:

    Not sure if anyone here uses docker in their IT systems but might be just one more thing to occasionally audit if you do.

    https://infosec.rm-it.de/2018/08/19/scanning-the-alexa-top-1m-sites-for-dockerfiles/

  134. llanfar says:

    @Larry Docker is how I’m able 2 run an Oracle db in macOS without resorting to a VM. Note: drunk while prepping for interviews tomorrow…

  135. Larry Ledwick says:

    Very interesting analysis of shotgun loads done by a professional ballistic test company.

    http://www.brassfetcher.com/Shotguns/Maximum%20Effective%20Range/Buckshot.html

    My load preferences over the years have shifted from pure pellet count to a combination of pellet count and pellet energy (ie penetration). Back in the 1970’s lots of folks went with the #4 pellet favoring high pellet count and lower over penetration beyond the target but police users found that #4 did not reliably have the energy to penetrate the target especially in winter time if they were wearing heavy loose hanging coats like the Navy Pea coat.

    The standard military shot gun load is a 2 3/4 inch 9 pellet 00 buck load with low muzzle flash and 1325 Feet Per Second muzzle velocity.

    Winchester has in recent years come out with a 2 3/4 inch load with #1 buckshot (16 pellets) load of buffered shot at 1250 ft per second (XB121) load mentioned in the article and charts.
    They also produce a 3 inch load of #1 buckshot (24 pellets) at 1040 ft/sec (XB1231) load

    I am not a big fan of the recoil of hot 3 inch loads and as I have gotten older tended to settle back to the 2 3/4 inch rounds as they are perfectly satisfactory at closer ranges. If I was selecting something to stop a charging grizzly bear I might go with the 3 inch 00 buck, but for home defense it is just way more than necessary.

    I also like the newer Aguila mini shotgun shells in 1 3/4 inch long cartriges (need an adapter in the mossberg guns to handle the shorter shells – don’t work well in auto loaders so if interested check and see if they work in what you have at hand. Lighter recoil and an interesting mixed buckshot load of 11 pellets, (7 #4 and 4 #1 buckshot (5/8 ounce load and 1200 ft/second making them a bit easier on recoil and allows you to load more rounds in the shorter shotguns.

    They also have a slug load and I noticed today that Cabela is stocking some minishell slug loads by Federal so they appear to be catching on.

    An 18 inch barrel Mossberg 500 short barrel shotgun will hold 9 rounds of the mini shells in the magazine for 9 + 1 fully loaded or a total of 110 pellets.

  136. E.M.Smith says:

    Not yet doing any Docker. Looked at it for future use…
    I’ve been watching way too many Taofledermaus videos testing shotgun rounds. Way fun, but folks make some bizarre things. One was compressed toilet paper (and it worked!) Another from Australia was a sort of glue sintered thing with rifle like accurace. From Europe came metal cylinders with molded on plastic carrier, in Aluminum, Steel, Copper, and more. Very high impact, but wobble in flight if loaded hot.

    The most surprising were aluminum airsoft pellets at Mach 4.1 via an adapter tube and a very light weight slug at Mach 3…. Crazy damage in the first 6 inches….

    Ive been pondering bonding agents for ersatz frangible slug production which was why I was looking at low temp alloys. Metals soft at 150 F binding BBs in a press… bet you could get low temp low pressure sintering…

    Or maybe just use wood putty :-)

    (The wood carved slug worked remarkably well…)

    IIRC fledermaus is a bat (flying mouse)…so tao? The way of? The Dao of the flying mouse? Who knows…
    https://www.youtube.com/user/taofledermaus

    You may now commence spending the next week in amazed wonder!

  137. H.R. says:

    @Larry – I wasn’t aware of the mini shot shells. No, they won’t bring down a Canada Goose at 70 yards. Yes, they will put down an intruder in your hallway.

    I still like my double-barrel coach gun. I use it with 3″ shells filled with 00 buckshot. I shot it the first few times without a shoulder pad on the stock and it was tolerable, but the recoil did intrude on my thoughts. So I bought a real nice pad for the stock and It is just fine now; no flinching or anticipating recoil. Mrs. H.R. shot it once (only!) without the pad and a few times with the pad, which said made it quite tolerable for her and wouldn’t keep her at all from using it. The double barrels are heavy, even though they are 18″ but I think they take a bit of the edge off the recoil.

    I have a semi-auto and a pump shotgun (12 ga and 16 ga) that would really benefit from the short shells. They are hunting length barrels, not home defense length, but you could load them once and shoot all week :o))

    Anyhow, as I get older, I get creaky, so 3″ for now, then next will be to go to 2 3/4″ shells and then further down the road, the mini-shells. I’m glad you brought them up.

  138. Larry Ledwick says:

    Yeah some of that stuff is really fun, I was thinking the same thing with a bismuth low temp melt bonding tungsten hard shot, would act like a rifled slug and then break up very quickly on impact.

    special forces slug for stopping a car

    I have some of the dangerous game slugs, they are 1 1/8 ounce assemblies should be a drop in replacement for a 1 1/8 inch bird shot round, just dump out the shot and stuff one of them in the hull
    Although I have never shot them.
    https://www.ballisticproducts.com/12ga-DGS-12-Slug-25_pak/productinfo/0721612/

    These steel head loads are very similar to a home built slug design used by the French Resistance in WWII to take out car engines. One of these days will get a chance to test them.

    https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1019157836?pid=383692

  139. Larry Ledwick says:

    For the mini – shells in 12 ga, you need one of these to get the Mossberg pump shotguns to reliably feed them, I tape mine in place so it cannot get dislodged and fall out with some easy to remove painters tape, because I have heard some stories of the rubber ramp coming loose and falling out of position.

    Even in a shotgun not able to feed them reliably you can put one of these light loads in the chamber for a first round.

    https://opsolmini-clip.com/product/opsol-mini-clip-2-0-flex/

    Nifty idea, a full load 12 Ga is just a bit much for stopping an intruder at 12 feet, and the lighter recoil also has its advantages.

  140. Ossqss says:

    Ok, fessin up. The 40 pack of toast cheese peanut butter crackers are now gone and I am missing them. 250 cal per and a good snack for late night ( individually packed too :-)

    Did I mention they were like less than $6 at Sams here?

  141. Ossqss says:

    @Larry, I like the Judge and Circuit Judge. Revolvers have benifits, let alone 410 size. My Tactical Circuit Judge (rifle) has a green laser and light on it. Very effective. Here is a bit on the pistol.

  142. Larry Ledwick says:

    Well can also go this way if you don’t want a long gun.

    ;)

    https://www.mossberg.com/category/series/590-shockwave/

  143. E.M.Smith says:

    FWIW, there’s another video I saw where a guy tested Bird Shot for self defense. Had several layers of drywall / stud walls built for over penetration testing. Made a “Meat Target” with cloth over pork ribs, sausages and steak (simulating rib cage, guts, and muscles) and then banged away at it.

    Buckshot when through 3 interior walls, an exterior wall (siding) and blew holes in water jugs.

    Birdshot stopped in wall #2 for small shot, embedded in wall 3 for larger shot ( #6 & #4 I THINK it was), but also royally ripped up the Meat Target…

    I was glad to see that as I’d figured as much, so a “Dove Load” has been my house round in the shotgun for decades… Nice to have it confirmed, though. I wanted something that was unlikely to hurt a person in the next room over across the hall, and this would have been close to right.

    So buck shot and slugs are fine for deer hunting, but indoors, well, it depends on how much you care about your family and neighbors… My area has stucco exterior walls, and 2 layers of that will stop all the birdshot, even if only one layer of drywall on the interior gets hit. A slug, OTOH, will go right through all that…

    I suspect a .410 or 20 gauge would be quite enough…

    My Home Defense shotgun is a 12 gauge. It holds 8 rounds of 2 3/4 inch. (But really, your “capacity” is limited by the size of shoulder bag you can carry as you can stuff them up the load ramp while firing…) With Buck or Slugs, ti’s marginally uncomfortable. With dove loads I can shoot it all day. Were I doing it over, I’d get the same gun in 20 Gauge. My 20 gauge hunting shotgun was a dream to shoot. Less kick even with the same 1 oz loads, and the 3 inch magnums were more than enough for bigger things.

    I know, I know, the entire world is standardizing on 12 gauge. I get it, got it, and own a few. But I like my 20 a lot better… and it breaks clays just as nicely and with less weight and fatigue… Just saying that in a “do over”, I’d skip the 12s and just get 20s and accept being a bit different.

    There ARE 20 gauge rifled slug “deer guns” and “defender” style as well. With a pistol grip on them, they are very light and the recoil is more manageable. as the pistol grip is shorter than the Birds Head on the one in the link, and it’s 18 inch vs 14 inch bbls, I’d guess it is all of 2 inches or so longer than that “shorty” that isn’t legal everywhere…. That’s the way I’d go.
    https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2014/10/winchester-introducing-20-gauge-version-sxp-defender-shotgun/

    Like that, but with the pistol grip and a shoulder strap… and a tactical light on it. I think other brands make them too.

  144. E.M.Smith says:

    Ah, this is the guy who did the birdshot test. He does a .410 test as well.

    I do chaff just a bit at him Poo-Pooing the Judge for home defense due to lower power and more shot spread, and then finding that with the full sized shotgun he has overpenetration of .410 buckshot and too narrow a pattern unless he gets back to 10 yards or so. Seems to me the simpler thing to do would be to test the Judge at 2 to 3 yards (and likely find nice spread and no over penetration…) But Oh Well…

    He does do the “meat target” with the .410 and finds Buckshot is dandy but birdshot doesn’t penetrate enough (to which I ask “Why not just get slightly bigger shot, like Turkey shot?”)

    So my conclusion from his test is that, sure, with the right shot choice, a .410 shotgun OR Judge is just dandy for home defense. Use small buckshot in the Judge and large birdshot in the shotgun.

    Frankly, having a completely torn up muscle layer, some broken ribs and “only” a few pellets ventilating the lungs (in his small size birdshot test) sure sounds like more than enough damamge to me. “Sucking chest wound” is usually not compatible with “threat continues” and “broken ribs” usually means not doing so well either. But hey, if it bothers you, just get a couple of sizes larger shot size. Or use buck.

    For my money I’d go with the 20 gauge / birdshot; but you know that already. I’d not feel at all “under gunned” with a .410 (bird or buck, shotgun or Judge). Having 5 .32 or better caliber holes in the target per shot, and NOT worried about who’s in the room behind the perp, seem like very nice features for the Judge.

  145. E.M.Smith says:

    Someone who test shoots the Judge and likes it.

    The specialty self defense rounds are interesting. 3 disks plus shot, or slug plus ball.

  146. Larry Ledwick says:

    People discount the effects of range on shotgun rounds. First you have to define the problem and in the case of a home defense situation it would be rare to have a shot inside the house over 20′, more likely near 15′. At those ranges bird shot acts like a frangible slug and does serious but relatively shallow damage (good thing if you are trying to avoid over penetration – but bad thing if the bad guy is wearing heavy clothing and there is any obstruction or even light flexible body armor.)

    Pay your money take your choice.

    I like the idea of a graduated load where round in the chamber is bird shot or BB, and then as you go down the magazine tube the shot size progresses to #4 (which the police abandoned due to insufficient penetration and stopping power – but keep in mind their target set and range is very different than a home defense situation. Might be shooting through car windshields or doors or a big guy buzzed on drugs wearing a leather jacket or heavy over coat).

    As pointed out in that ballistics video the #4 buck transmits maximum energy at 10 ft range out scoring the larger buckshot but at law enforcement working ranges comes up a bit short.

    Then going to #1 buck which many consider the ideal 12 Ga buckshot load for home and short range defense if you are not worried about over penetration. Then the last load being 00 buck or 000 buck or slug. Those little elastic cuffs that hold 5 rounds on the stock off side are also dandy for additional rounds in a home defense gun, with perhaps 3 inch magnum #1 buck or 00 buck if you are dealing with a hard to stop situation.

    As always the target set and conditions determines the best load, so you first have to determine your “design assumptions for the threat” that is most likely, then go from there.

    The odd ball loads are fun to play with but for home defense you want something that you can depend on to behave consistently.

  147. Larry Ledwick says:

    Meanwhile back at global cooling and heavy precipitation events.

  148. E.M.Smith says:

    Per specialty rounds:

    My impression of them is that they are trying to cover two cases. Some big bits (slugs or disks) for penetration of harder targets along with a bunch of little stuff to spread faster and get some kind of hit on close targets off the main aim point. No idea if that’s the best idea, or not…

    I suspect it depends on gun and range. As pointed out, range and goal matters. With the Judge, your most likely range is about 10 feet, not 10 yards. Sometimes as close as 1 yard…. at those ranges, the greater spread is a major feature and the lower velocity is still quiet enough. This isn’t taking down a Turkey at 100 yards. You want the shot load to stop in 2 layers to 4 layers of sheet rock (or at least be slow enough after the 2 layers of one wall to significantly reduce injury / damage to innocents hiding in the next room). But you also want effective penetration on a tough adversary. My guess is they are trying to get “some of each”.

    Big effect with good aim, some small pellets still hitting in confused off axis “contacts”.

    Personally, I’d rather have some .45 LC and some Turkey shot (often #4 as Turkey are tough birds) and just rotate the cylinder as needed.

    Per precipitation:

    IMHO, that is THE biggest indicator of Grand Solar Minimum and heat transport out of the oceans into a cold sky. It will take a decade or two for the temps to lower enough for a lot more of it to be snow, but that’s the end game.

    It isn’t the “warm air holds more water” of the warmistas. It is the colder “cold end” speeds up mass flow of the coolant in our heat pipe earth. It has water as the working fluid between oceans and stratosphere where it dumps heat as it condenses, then drops as snow, hail, or rain.

    The cold end is now colder and closer after the air column shortened with solar UV reduction. Now we get faster heat dump and more working fluid flow rate. Eventually the oceans will cool enough that the air will start cooling fast too. The ice will come… I think we are approaching that time. Snow in Australia, very cold and snow in South America. Russia setting cold records. Mongolian herd losses to freezing. Glaciers growing in North America (California with snow still in the mountains in August…)

    The excess rains will continue until ocean temps rebalance against the cold pole of the heat pipe. At that point we will have a lot colder air temps and snow…

  149. Larry Ledwick says:

    I go back and forth on the Judge revolver, I have almost purchased one a couple times. My biggest issue with it is that it is a bit bulky, but it also has some advantages.

    In addition to being a suitable bedroom gun it also could be a suitable backpack or get out of dodge gun. Could easily be carried in anything from a paper bag to a brief case or back pack and packs enough punch to take out a big guy with a club or an angry dog, or with a couple bird shot loads in the pack could take a goose on a pond or squirrel on a branch if you were in desperate need of food.

    At the other end of the spectrum I like the convertable .22lr / .22 WRM revolvers.With the .22 WRM having the punch to do the same thing at close range and a lot more ammo capacity / pound of carry weight.

    The Judge of course also has intimidation factor like the .45 – 1911 very few people would be interested in contesting an issue if they were looking down that big bore barrel.

    There are also some other interesting options for special situations.

    On your boat the Judge would work as a shark gun, or you can go with a sub-caliber adapter for your flare gun.

    https://www.budk.com/Sub-Caliber-Device-For-45LC-410-Ammo-27560

    One of these lets you shoot .45 LC or .410 in a 12 gauge shot gun (single load like a double or manual single load in a pump)

    https://www.gunadapters.com/12-gauge-to-410-45-colt-scavenger-series/

    Or you can choose your alternative pistol caliber and use one of these.

    https://www.gunadapters.com/410-45-colt-judge-adapters/

    The Judge – 9mm adapters would be an interesting backup option especially for a get out of dodge gun, you could carry a handful of the .410 , and a set of these adapters and 20-30 rounds of 9mm.

  150. Ossqss says:

    I keep many rounds for the Judge’s. I prefer the PDX1 as the all purpose round. I will typically place 3 of those and 2 Colt longs in the guns. The PDX1 quite simply can cover basically all the bases when I am out in the wilderness and also for home defense. The Circuit Judge I possess is the tactical version that holds 5 rounds in the butt stock for reloading and a picatinny rail for my green laser and spot light combo. Works great. This is it.

    PDX stuff

    https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/winchester-pdx1-410-shotgun-ammoselling-like-hotcakes/

  151. Larry Ledwick says:

    Yes I like the idea of the PDX1 ammo, especially in a mixed load as you specify, but here is another option to the Judge pistol for folks that just need a new toy.

    https://www.rossiusa.com/product-details.cfm?id=29759

    Same basic deal except a bit more barrel length and velocity.

  152. E.M.Smith says:

    Just a minor Tech Sidebar:

    Booting up my ChromeBox today, it informed me it had gotten The Last Security Update and that for further Security Updates I needed to go buy a new box…

    Well, I only bought this one because I was on the road and my laptop fan had died (so could boot and copy off the data but not do much CPU use at all…) and needed “something”. As my rental had a nice HDMI TV I could avoid buying a monitor, and the thing was cheap as ChromeThingys tend to be. I was only needing a “random browser and blog maintenance” station, so this was it.

    I’ve not regretted it for one minute. I just don’t do anything on it that Google would / could exploit. No real email (a ‘throw away gmail account’ for garbage use) and no private docs. ( I think I made a grocery list and did some car tire size spreadsheets ;-)

    I just figured “Someday I’ll make it a Linux Box”. Well, looks like some day is just around the corner now. Figure 6 months to 1 year at the outside.

    At
    Last!

    Oh Boy!!!

  153. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larry L:

    Those Sub Caliber adapters would be a great match to The Judge!

    I have some for other guns and they work nicely. A .22 LR in .223 Remington (in Thompson Contender) was a great low cost way to use the gun. The .410 in 12 gauge (about a 10 to 12 inch bbl on it IIRC) was nice in the side-by-side double for making clays more of a challenge. Similarly, I have a .22 LR in 12 Gauge that’s OK but without real sights you are not going to pot squirrels at 50 yards…

    Having a 9mm and maybe a .22 LR adapter would make for a very versatile (if large) gun.

    FWIW, I have the Ruger .22 LR / .22 Magnum revolver. I’ve shot maybe a dozen rounds of magnum through it. Yeah, it’s got the OOMPH… but also a LOT more noise and, frankly, I’d rather just grab the 9mm and shoot it…

    So I’d suggest the “better” solution would be a very light .22 LR pistol AND the Ruger .357 Magnum / 9mm single action revolver. Weight ought not be that much greater and now you have a range from rats up to black bear / deer (with good shots). Plus you can use military rounds. It has astounding accuracy and small group sizes with the 9mm. Lower power hand loads are a dream to shoot in it. Oh, and it runs .38 specials nicely too. I did shoot one box of .38 S&W (shorter than Specials) just to see, and they shoot fine too, but are very expensive and hard to find so what’s the point?

    Only thing missing is the “shotgun for inside 10 yards” for birds up close or squirrel in a tree… but is that enough to justify The Judge? Maybe, I suppose… (.357 shot shells might be OK for snakes at 5 feet, but pretty useless for anything at 10 yards… spinning and all…)

    But if I already had The Judge, I’d certainly add a sub-caliber adapter in .22 LR and 9mm. Maybe only 2 of each… Unless you want to target shoot a lot with cheap .22 LR, then 5 of them…

    Oh, and the Thompson Contender has a selectable hammer for center fire / rimfire. Easy cheap .22 LR adapter. For other guns you need an adapter that has a little plug that moves the firing pin strike to the edge. Frankly, I’d rather get a non-rimfire adapter for other guns…

  154. Larry Ledwick says:

    Speaking of “the judge” this news just broke a Judge in Ohio was shot outside the court house and returned fire with his own weapon firing 5 shots, along with a probation officer who also returned fire. The shooting suspect is dead and the Judge is hospitalized and expected to recover.

    None of the news reports mention what weapon the Judge was carrying, but pretty good odds it was a Taurus Judge me thinks.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/ohio-judge-shot-courthouse-suspect-dead-custody/story?id=49333732

  155. Larry Ledwick says:

    Item on historical weather – current weather heat waves in Europe not so special after all.

  156. E.M.Smith says:

    Star Hopper (Elon Musk in Texas) just did a 150 m hop up, and a traverse over to another pad, and landed. One announcer is saying that completes the test series and it is now done. Really?

    Well it will be interesting to see what the next test is, then.

    I’m sure there will be video up soon ( I watched the live feed…)

  157. craigm350 says:

    Saw this earlier.

    Fasting every other day boosts healthy weight loss as it mimics hunter-gatherer ‘caveman’ routine

    Fasting every other day could be the secret to losing weight while staying healthy because it mimics humans’ caveman diet, a new study suggests.

    A trial showed that people who ate no food at all for 36 hours then anything they felt like for 12 hours lost more than half a stone within a month.

    Crucially, their immune systems remained stable, even after six months, in contrast to many diets which aim to restrict calorie intake consistently each day.

    Scientists at the University of Graz in Austria believe the strength of alternate-day fasting (ADF) may lie in its adherence to hunter-gatherers’ patterns of eating thousands of years ago, when food was not available every day.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2019/08/27/fasting-every-day-boosts-healthy-weight-loss-mimics-hunter-gatherer/

    This looks like the paper, published yesterday, quoted in the article:

    Alternate Day Fasting Improves Physiological and Molecular Markers of Aging in Healthy, Non-obese Humans

    https://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/fulltext/S1550-4131(19)30429-2

    2018 paper, found looking for above, which includes the authors quoted in the Telegraph; Thomas Pieber & Frank Madeo –

    Intermittent Fasting (Alternate Day Fasting) in Healthy, Non-obese Adults: Protocol for a Cohort Trial with an Embedded Randomized Controlled Pilot Trial

    https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2Fs12325-018-0746-5.pdf

  158. jim2 says:

    EM said: One announcer is saying that completes the test series and it is now done. Really?

    Hopefully, Elon will be riding the next one ;)

  159. Larry Ledwick says:

    Hmmm interesting this might explain the phenomenon where cancer is briefly controlled by aggressive treatments like radiation but then comes back with a vengeance as if the treatment just pissed the cancer off.

    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/265254.php

    If stress is a trigger for metastasis then it would seem social support of cancer patients to keep them positive and not terrified of the possible outcome would be a very important part of successful treatment. Positive attitude and all that sort of thing.

  160. Ossqss says:

    @EM, you need to take a peek at one of these. Just sayin with respect to the .22 mention. 30 rounds is attractive. Neighbor has several and loves them. 3-4 bills now days.

    https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-review-kel-tec-pmr-30/

  161. Another Ian says:

    “A strange duly neglected crank” (in economics)

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2019/08/28/a-strange-duly-neglected-crank/

  162. rhoda klapp says:

    OK, I usually don’t chime in on gun debates, but just a question. Where on the bell curve of likely gun use is the incident which would require a pistol with a 30-round mag and four more in your go-bag?

  163. H.R. says:

    Rhoda klapp: “Where on the bell curve of likely gun use is the incident which would require a pistol with a 30-round mag and four more in your go-bag?”

    That is an excellent question, Rhoda. Day-to-day, I’m not seeing much practicality in the 30-round mag other than the fact that you can spend less time reloading and more time shooting.

    But in a SHTF situation, where all you have is your Bug Out Bag and no expectation of popping into a Walmart for another box of ammo, you can carry that gun and 1,000 rounds of ammo adding only ~20 pounds to your pack.

    One scenario that might be expected in a SHTF scenario is encountering a group of attackers. Assuming you make it to cover, they are going to count 15 or 17 shots (typical max magazine capacities), assume you have to reload, and move closer or rush your position. That’s when they find out you have a 30-round magazine. In a gun battle, obviously the person who doesn’t have to stop firing to reload has an advantage.

    But your question is “how likely?” and I’d say it’s pretty gosh-darn unlikely except in the case of a complete societal breakdown and everything is in a shortage, particularly food, shelter, and clothing. So buying a Keltec PM30 is more a matter of how much you believe in the likelihood of a societal breakdown.

    OTOH, in the links, a lot of commenters say it’s a blast (fun) to shoot.

  164. rhoda klapp says:

    Of course it doesn’t apply here in Oxfordshire, where there are no human-threatening predators and the zombies took over years ago but I’d probably go with a 9mm, which will usually be enough gun and which has the most easily available ammo.

  165. H.R. says:

    @rhoda: aaand… you can get 9mms with high capacity magazines. A lot of people would agree with you on the 9mm.

    My inclination has been towards durability as well as ammo availability. That’s why I tend to prefer revolvers, bolt action rifles, and my SxS shotgun. They are less complex than semi-automatic anything and there is some hope of repairing one, should you need to rely on a firearm for a long period of time.

    But ammo carrying weight is a factor, so that’s why many prefer a .22 caliber if they expect to have to carry around what they need to survive.

    I’m not expecting to ever have to bug out to the woods and live off the land. I’m situated where it’s most likely that I’d shelter in place, so my concerns are maintaining a defensible position and making sure those #@!%! squirrels** do keep coming around ;o)

    **Had a bumper crop of pears going on one tree. Perfect conditions this year. Those little blighters ate all but 2 pears off the tree. They also got 5 out of the 6 sunflowers I planted and a few tomatoes. Grrrrrr…. I trapped one and dropped him off for an extended vacation in the next township over. The other two have been scarcely seen since their running buddy was seemingly disappeared by alien abductors.

  166. Larry Ledwick says:

    A wild dog pack of 10 -12 dogs (or in the south wild hogs) would easily use up a 30 round magazine, and you wouldn’t want to run out of ammo in the gun at the wrong time. Same goes for a determined group of humans only slightly larger than a typical inner city street gang. Even skilled shooters like cops in those sort of situation rarely get effective hits more often than 1 in 3 or 1 in 4 shots fired. The real world is not like the movies or TV where every time the gun fires a bad guy goes down.

    Rhoda – magazine capacity is like gas tank capacity in your car. Will you ever really “need” to drive 410 mile on a tank of gas. Probably not, but if you ever do, it will be very very important that you can get to that next gas station, because the one you intended to fill up at was closed or the roads to it closed.

    Folks who contemplate emergency scenarios (preppers). Partly it is simply a mental game to keep the mind sharp. Instead of killing zombies on a computer screen they create internal mental games visualize possible situations – then play a game of analysis of “what would I do” in that situation.

    A study of disaster survivors found that many of them habitually solved those mental problems all the time, and in doing so, had sharpened their mental skills for observing, evaluating and making decisions based on best guess consequences. As a result, they dominated the 30% of people that instead of freaking out over an unplanned situation, simply solved the problem and worked their way back to normal daily life.

    Secondly life does not follow a bell curve. We tend to evaluate situations assuming a bell curve distribution because it makes probabilities relatively easy to visualize, but the real world and life more often than not tends to do things that distribute on a fat tail curve, where the unlikely is not vanishingly small but in fact 1000’s of times more likely that it appears to be with the Gaussian curve assumption.

    So back to my original statement, I had a car break down on the west end of Wyoming on I80, I was 393 miles from home and only a few dollars remaining in my pocket because before the car died, it was running terribly and gas mileage dropped to a fraction of its normal value.

    It so happened that weather was not stormy and there was no prevailing wide area emergency situation, so I could use normal technology (cell phone) to arrange a rescue by a friend who drove up with a car dolly and towed me home.

    But if I had needed to, I had everything necessary in the car to gather up a go bag of stuff and walk home if necessary. Given the distance and an average day of 15 miles traveled, it would have taken me 26 days to get home with no complications.

    Probable – no, possible yes, worth knowing how to solve, definitely

  167. Larry Ledwick says:

    Oh my! Looks like Brexit is a done deal, the Queen approves shutting down parliment.

  168. rhoda klapp says:

    Brexit? Yay!

    On the gun issue, I’m postulating one gun because for me it’s moot. In the US you have roughly one gun each, on average. In the UK it is one for 60+ people. I could have a sporting shotgun but legally nothing else. However if you can have multiple guns you can justify preparing for more unlikely scenarios, as well as perfectly normal activities like shooting varmints or just for fun. Anyhow, the best investment you can make is to practice shooting your choice. A lot.

  169. Larry Ledwick says:

    Anyhow, the best investment you can make is to practice shooting your choice. A lot.

    True, what are the limitations on air guns / pellet guns, you can get 99% of your shooting skill practice with pellet guns or even airsoft guns. When I shot high power in the National Guard they issued us a run off the mill crossman .22 pellet rifle, and we could set up a practice range in a long hallway or basement rec room. Saved lots of money on ammunition, time going to a range and wear and tear on the match rifle (which only have a couple thousand rounds of top accuracy, which you wanted to use up in matches not practice.)

    It used to be in Germany and some other European countries that air gun ranges were quite popular but I presume many have been shut down..

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  171. E.M.Smith says:

    @Rhoda Klapp:

    See my comments here:
    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2019/08/28/the-best-gun/
    per the present gun discussion and shotguns.

    The most apropos bit for your situation is just that IMHO a pump shotgun in 12 Gauge or 20 Gauge is a great weapon for fixed site defense and the only downside for mobile use is the weight of the ammunition.

    I’d be quite happy with “just one shotgun” but using a couple of barrels. In fact, I dearly love my “defense type” base shotgun (longer magazine and smooth bore 18 inch barrel) when I put on it my Deer Rifle barrel (clearly, rifled, but with iron sights and 24 inches). At that point I’ve got a gun that is more than accurate enough out to 100 yards with sabot slugs, can have a scope on it but the iron sites are dandy, and with shot loads the “spin” avoids too concentrated a shot pattern at interior “self defense” ranges.

    With the longer “duck barrel” on it, it’s good for high flying big birds, too.

    So for “one gun that can do it all”, I’d be very happy with it.

    BTW, you can just keep stuffing rounds in the loading ramp so “capacity” is “how big a bag can you carry?”… but with shorter rounds it’s a 7+1 anyway so 8 shots before a need to reload. With 8 to 10 buck balls per shot, that’s 64 to 100 “.30 caliber” or so rounds down range pronto. Faster than some machine guns…

  172. Larry Ledwick says:

    As mentioned before for flexiblity a 12 gauge and some adapters are hard to beat, for dollars per caliber capability.

    https://www.shotgunadapter.com/gauge/12-Gauge-

  173. jim2 says:

    BSNBC floated a story that Russian billionaires close to Vladimir Putin co-signed some of Trumps loans. Trump gave them the ultimatum to apologize or get sued. They apologized, but not before Meathead Reiner demanded Trump be impeached over it. Who needs comedians what with the Dimowits-Gone-Wild circus in full swing? It’s delicious.

  174. E.M.Smith says:

    @Ossqss:

    It would be fun to have one, but from a rifle WMR is loud… in a handgun it’s brutal. Then, in California, I could get one only so long as it came with a 10 rd magazine…

    @Larry L:

    The adapters in that last link look a bit short to me. The ones I have for my double barrel are about a foot long. (Remember you effective barrel length in the sub-caliber is the length of the adapter… having a 2 inch barrel is kind of silly…)

  175. Larry Ledwick says:

    Yes but that is also a feature as they can work in a pump shotgun as if they are just another cartridge. The long ones cannot be just dropped in the chamber of a pump shotgun or auto, but work great in a break action design.

    Also they are cheap enough you can expand your ability to use found ammunition to calibers you would normally not be willing to buy a gun for but you know are in common use.

    If all you need to do is pot a rabbit or other small critter a .38 special or .22 LR from a 2″ bbl adapter is better than a 3″ buckshot load, especially if you can take your time aiming and know where it shoots.

    With a little ingenuity you can reload .38 special and .357 with 00 buckshot turning one 12 gauge round into 9 or 12 pistol caliber loads. (you would need to form it with a hammer and something with a .35 caliber hole in it into a disk like wad cutter [ drop 00 buck in .35 caliber hole forming block, place suitable punch on it and whack with hammer to swell the .33 caliber pellet into a .35 caliber disk] but it would function as an effective expedient round.)

  176. Quail says:

    @HR Squirrel trap by Eaton Rapids Joe. Made from a rat trap and looks quite wicked.
    wine box http://eatonrapidsjoe.blogspot.com/2019/08/squirrel-trap-20.html
    wire cage http://eatonrapidsjoe.blogspot.com/2019/07/trapping-red-squirrels.html
    Good luck!

  177. H.R. says:

    @Quail – I have a rat/chipmunk trap with the brand name, Big Foot. It is a honkin’-sized version of the standard mouse trap and bigger than that Victor rat trap in your link. I also have some of that hardware cloth lying around, so I might just give that a try. Cool link.

    The thing is, the squirrels have made themselves scarce recently after I live-trapped one of them. There’s also the possibility that a red tailed hawk that I’ve recently seen cruising the back yard got one of them. That, and I’m down to two pears they haven’t found and I believe they got their little tails singed on the electric fence I put up to protect the tomatoes. I put a low wire on the fence just for them.

    The larder is empty and it’s a high-risk proposition now for them to pick over the bird seed that has spilled from the feeder. It will be tough to get rid of the last two (or one?) of them.

  178. Larry Ledwick says:

    Looks like it is that time of year for our friends in Floridia

    Hurrican Dorian is looking to come ashore mid peninsula near Cape Kennedy.

  179. Larry Ledwick says:

    Take a memo, don’t crowd the Rino he gets cranky.

  180. Larry Ledwick says:

    In the comedy department – Antifa special forces fail tactical drill.

  181. Larry Ledwick says:

    Some hurricane trivia

  182. Larry Ledwick says:

    For those that follow such things, Jessi Combs driver of het powered land speed American Eagle, was killed in a crash on the Alvord Desert in Oregon yesterday. She held the unofficial fastest woman in the world on 4 wheels record.

    https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a28843412/jessi-combs-killed-in-land-speed-record-crash/

  183. Another Ian says:

    Some examples of

    “Regulatory Incentives”

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2019/08/29/regulatory-incentives/

  184. Larry Ledwick says:

    Hurricane status

    https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

  185. Larry Ledwick says:

    Looks like the anti-gun crazies are infesting Colorado too, as a Loveland teen got reported to his school after posting on social media about going shooting with his mom (legally).

    https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2019/08/29/went-shooting-mom-now-cant-return-school/

  186. H.R. says:

    @Larry re gunophobics: Anyone here born in the 60s or earlier probably was allowed to shoot a .22 by the time they were 6 or 7 years old (male or female, but most females quickly lost interest). Kids were supervised until their parents thought they were responsible enough to go out on their own for rabbits, squirrels, pheasants, and other small game or go out plinking.

    Not everyone let their kid have their own gun. Sometimes affordability was the factor back when and if the family had 5-6 kids, one gun might be shared. That’s how it was at our place. Dad bought a really nice Savage Anschutz .22 for all of us kids to share.

    But we did have kids in our neighborhood who got .22s or .410 shotguns of their own at around the age of 12+/- depending on the maturity of the kid. We had two or three guys in our school who ran muskrat trap lines starting around age 14-15 and needed a gun. They were saving for that car when they turned 16 ;o)

    Soooo… a reaction like the one in the link you gave is almost incomprehensible to me. I cannot see how people have allowed themselves to get so far away from understanding life, death, the food chain, human nature and human foibles and the fact that a gun is a tool, albeit a lethal tool by design. It’s the relentless anti-gun FUD propaganda that’s responsible, I know, but when did the parents start allowing it to happen? Not my parents. Not me nor the parents of my kid’s friends. But it caught hold somewhere in the ’70s or ’80s.

    The other odd thing is that kids had guns all over the place when we were young, but most things were settled with a fistfight or brawl. Now guns are verboten, many parents are afraid to have them in the house or allow their kids to go to a house where there are guns. No kidding. They ask before a sleepover, “Got guns?”

    And these kids no longer settle things with fistfights, but get a gun and go plug someone or several someones.

    [Shaking my head…]

    It’s the commies. (no winky)

  187. cdquarles says:

    @H.R.
    Well, that’s certainly true outside of the big cities, and kids born in, or before, the 50s or 60s. Inside them? I don’t know. Somewhat doubtful, I’d say. It seems to me to be cultural. If you were born, raised and live in the concrete jungle, you don’t get the same view people get that don’t live there. I will say that 100+ years of leftist propaganda has had its effect, too.

  188. Ossqss says:

    This storm has the models all over the place due to a very complex environment. Here is the latest from one of the ensembles. I don’t think we will have anything with confidence for w little while longer.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/RyanMaue/status/1167162951071150080

  189. Ossqss says:

    I suspect the NHC will vary a bit at the 5pm update. They use an aggregate mean of everything along with historic variation in tracking. We shall see. I hope it turns into a fish and heads back out to sea.

  190. Another Ian says:

    Another weather wobblie

    “Rare: Sudden Stratospheric Warming in the Southern Hemisphere — cold weather coming?”

    http://joannenova.com.au/2019/08/rare-sudden-stratospheric-warming-in-the-southern-hemisphere-cold-weather-coming/

  191. Larry Ledwick says:

    H.R. says: 29 August 2019 at 6:31 pm

    Yes very different times. I had a friend that got a .22 LR lever action at age 11 for his birthday, he kept it in his closet in his bedroom.

    When I was in my late teens a whole car full of us were riding down the road in the town I grew up in, 5 kids in the car from age 16 – 19, we all had .22 rifles muzzle up stock butt on the floor boards, in a 1960 Chevy convertible. One of the local cops stopped us and asked us what were doing, told him we were going up the canyon to do some shooting, He looked us over for about 10 seconds and said “well be careful” and sent us on our way.

    There used to be expedient shooting sites literally within a 1/4 mile of where I currently live. Wide shoulder in the road, a fairly deep ravine and a hill about 20 yards away in a farmer’s field. Folks would stop there and just plink at yucca plants in the guys field. Went on for years but no longer.

    Just before I went in the Navy in 1969 I went shooting with a friend about 100 yards from where I currently live. Wide open prairie with no buildings withing a mile or so. Now two apartment complexes and a small office park is in the area, (although the local police department has their pistol / rifle range within earshot of my apartment and I can hear them doing qualifying shoots almost every day about a mile south of me.

  192. Larry Ledwick says:

    OIG report
    Report of Investigation of Former Federal Bureau of Investigation Director James Comey’s Disclosure of Sensitive Investigative Information and Handling of Certain Memoranda Oversight and Review Division 19-02 August 2019

    https://oig.justice.gov/reports/2019/o1902.pdf

  193. Larry Ledwick says:

    Hurricane Dorian
    Current forecast cone.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1167051671404335104/mrQxRgz1?format=jpg

  194. Larry Ledwick says:

    Notes on Hurricane prep time table.

    Looks like folks begin stocking the pantry about 2 days out, landfall expected on Saturday, grocery stores have bare shelves today late afternoon (Thursday 8/29/19 )
    Note bold below, apparent final trigger for stock up frenzy is two things:
    Storm track estimates with high probability of land fall
    storm officially changing from tropical storm to hurricane

    Jay Estis ‏@jayestis
    4 hours ago
    @marianaatencio Not sure where you’re reporting from in South FL in the lead up to Hurricane Dorian, but here’s a Publix Grocery Store In central Palm Beach County (Lake Worth/Wellington)
    Bread aisle – EMPTY
    Water aisle – only kids Evian
    Chips – About empty




    Kalynda Gonzales Stokes PhD
    ‏@KKgonza
    6 hours ago
    Prepping for Hurricane #Dorian. Grocery store shelves empty. Gas stations a s*^t show. Currently, people are still acting cordial, but let’s see what happens on Sunday. 🙄

    https://www.wftv.com/weather/eye-on-the-tropics/customers-line-up-clear-shelves-at-grocery-stores-ahead-of-hurricane-dorian/980498819

    Mia Villanueva
    ‏@MiaKFOX_CBS
    7 hours ago
    People are clearing out stores as Hurricane Dorian pushes closer to Florida! Check out this photo my friend and former colleague @JackieLabrecque sent me of a grocery store northeast of Orlando. For the latest updates on that storm
    https://kfoxtv.com/news/nation-world/hurricane-heads-for-florida-after-brushing-caribbean-islands-08-29-2019

    My Vertigo And Me (a.k.a Jonathan Brewer)

    @vertigoandme
    Aug 28
    More
    Out grocery shopping with my wife.
    Almost all of the water on the shelves had gone.
    You know what’s weird?
    When #dorian was still categorized a storm, it was stock full of water.
    ‘Like, whatever.’
    As soon as it became a #hurricane.
    Within an hour the shelves where empty.

    TheObliviouzGamer@CEOtaku
    ‏@ObliviouzGamer1
    Aug 28
    So since Hurricane Dorian seems certain it will hit Florida, during my break from work I decided to get some packs of water, had to go to 4 different grocery stores until I found some packs

    katie • 8 days!
    ‏@esnyparker
    Aug 27
    As soon as it’s announced that Dorian turned from a tropical storm to a hurricane everyone is going to run to grocery stores to get everything they need so it’s a good idea to get everything now! I used to work at Publix and you don’t want to be there when it’s that busy trust me

    Linda Nguyen
    ‏@ttlnguyen
    Aug 25
    Hurricane prep ain’t no joke. In the 30 minutes I’ve been at the grocery store, look how fast shoppers grabbed all the bottled water. #Dorian – at Fort Buchanan Commissary


  195. Larry Ledwick says:

    Oops Hurricane stock up frenzy post went over max links limit – in moderation (sorry about that)

  196. Ossqss says:

    SRQ reporting in on Cane prep. No water left anywhere, but we successfully emptied the beer coolers at the store. All is well. @HR, I now have guards in place for SHTF times and the bird is better than the Monty Python Rabbit! ;-)

    We shall see what the very variant models tell us tomorrow. They have only wobbled by a few hundred miles the last few days. Doh!

    Best wishes to all in the Cone of uncertainty.

  197. p.g.sharrow says:

    @Ossqss; Good luck to you. I hope you are able to enjoy the little bit of weather heading your way. No one needs a big blow hard, that wears out it’s welcome…pg

  198. Ossqss says:

    Thanks PG. I (We) will survive, and also spare you the Gloria Gaynor video ;-)

  199. E.M.Smith says:

    I grew up in a small farm town that was mostly Mormons. I don’t know how old I was when I got my first .22 rifle, but I had a BB gun from about age 4? Somewhere around 9? I had the .22 AND AMMO in my bedroom closet. In about the 12 to 14 age range, some of us would get on our bikes, rifle balanced, and ride out of “town” (3328 people…) to shoot in empty fields (mostly at pest birds the farmers were happy to have gone and the odd can).

    Yeah, kids on bikes riding with guns and ammo…

    In high school, first day of pheasant season, as soon as the bell rang, most of the boys walked out the front door of the place and to their car (or their waiting Dad’s car if too young to drive) and IN THE PARKING LOT put on their hunting vests, hats etc. and checked their shotguns. Then drove off to hunt. (The really lucky kids had their Dad take them out of school for being “sick” and started the hunt at 6 am… )

    Imagine the “scene” that would be made today with 60 teenagers racking shotguns in front of the school and checking how much ammo they had?…

    Oh, and at that time there were “shooting clubs” at schools and kids would walk in with their rifles to compete…

    On one occasion, my Geography / Civics teacher (a relatively slight man who always wore a herringbone jacket or suit jacket), turned from the chalkboard rather suddenly. Flap was slower. His Walther PPK in holster showed… After class I asked him. “Yes, I always carry”…

    Oddly, nobody locked their doors in town. Guns were in almost 100% of houses. We had near zero shootings. I can remember 3 in 18 years. One was a “Bad Guy” on a roof at a cop who snuck up on him on said roof (Injured one finger). Another a bar fight where a knife was employed first (to their regret). The other was the town hooligan who was reputedly done in by the local Klan or Neo Nassy group for “giving them a bad name”… Yeah, he was that bad… Everyone said things like “Finally” or “it took long enough”… (about 6 years…)

    In that small a town, even who didn’t mow their lawn was big news, so I’m pretty sure that’s all there was.

    The world is a much rougher place now. Cops have gone to “Shoot first be asked questions later” and disarming the law abiding has resulted in gang warfare of astounding degree.

    IMHO, the tipping point was the advent of Color TV in about the ’70s. Suddenly everyone was acculturated into the Urban Center instead of living in their local community… I installed locks on our house then at my Mums request…

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