Rumor Monger – Is The EU Saying North Ireland Must Leave UK for EU / Brexit?

In this Video Jeff Taylor asserts a rumor is running around that we’ve got Yet Another Leaker of a leader of the free world phone calls. In this case Boris. (I know, the USA is usually held as the “leader of the free world” but really it is multipolar).

So is it a rumor, or truth? No idea.

But this is a decent analysis of what’s the likely result. That being a set-up for a vote to revoke Article 50. Only 5 minutes, but quick and punchy.

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18 Responses to Rumor Monger – Is The EU Saying North Ireland Must Leave UK for EU / Brexit?

  1. Another Ian says:

    “Delingpole: Hurrah for Chancellor Merkel – Saviour of Brexit!”

  2. Nick Leaton says:

    It is only temporary. Revoke A50 and in two years, the remainers will be cleared out. Decimated from public life.

    The new parliament will then just revoke all their decisions, and send a letter to the EU saying we leave immediately.

    That’s the end of EU membership. Nothing the EU can do about it.

    As a fig leaf, those involved will be put on a show trial, to justify the leaving, and for their coup.

  3. Serioso says:

    There’s not really anything new here. The Northern Irish (and the Scots) voted “Remain,” so it’s always been clear that if ENGLAND (and Wales) wished to exit the EU they might have to jettison the (dis)United Kingdom itself. Ireland reunified would be one result, which Dublin would welcome. But would there have to be customs controls between England and Scotland if Brexit happens and Scotland declares independence? Probably. Boris isn’t a statesman — he’s just another rabble-rouser.

  4. Graeme No.3 says:

    And if the Northern Irish were given a vote on joining the rest of Ireland? And continuing your fantasy YES, there would have to be a very strong barrier at the border if Scotland declared independence. Mostly to stop scots struggling to enter England.
    Have you any idea of the economics of Scotland? They are dependent on the UK and would collapse rapidly when the pensions and social welfare stopped**. And the EU has already stated that they will NOT accept Scotland joining – they have enough trouble paying for poor countries and won’t be better off without the UK money.

    ** and the lights go out as the English shut down the electricity interconnectors taking that occasional surplus from the wind turbines and supplying the necessary when the wind isn’t blowing.
    The renewables fantasy meet reality.

  5. Bill In Oz says:

    I suspect that Northern Ireland has changed over the past 3 years and that popular feeling is now strongly hostile to the EU.

    The Northern Irish are not stupid. They have seen everything the EU has done to try and sabotage Brexit using Northern Ireland as a major ‘excuse’,

    Who’d want to be part of that dopiness for ever ?

  6. philjourdan says:

    Graeme #3 – trade you DC for NI.

  7. Another Ian says:

    There was a saying that “the two best things coming out of Scotland were whisky and the road south”

  8. Graeme No.3 says:

    Did you mean trade DC for NIL? Price too high.
    Why not send them to Venezuela? Things can’t get any worse there.

    Besides we already have Canberra, another city filled with bureaucrats who like spending money (mostly on themselves).

  9. Simon Derricutt says:

    The logic seems to hang together for Parliament to revoke A50 as a pre-emptive thing to stop Boris going for the no-deal Brexit, since Boris (and No. 10 “sources”) are intimating that they have a cunning plan to beat the Benn act and thus engineer an exit on the 31st against the wishes of the majority in Parliament. The Liberal Democrats are of course saying that they’ll do that if elected, and they’re gathering more MPs defecting from other parties who haven’t yet gone through a General Election based on their changed loyalties. I figure a large number of MPs in the other parties would like to kill Brexit, too, given that most in the Labour party have settled on a type of Brexit where we’d still be in the customs union, free trade area, under control of the ECJ, paying at least as much to be a member, and having all the free movements – in fact the only difference would be less representation on the committees.

    I recall David Davis saying that a Free Trade deal with the EU should be very easy, considering that both sides had all the same rules and regulations. Logically, he was right, but of course such a deal would have been better for the UK than being “in the club” and so it wouldn’t be allowed. To me it seems that the whole point of the negotiations from the EU side was to make it far more difficult than it should have been. After all, with a free trade agreement you wouldn’t need customs posts between NI and Eire anyway. The NI problem wouldn’t exist – at least as regards trade and customs duties. The logical thing to have done would have been to negotiate the trade agreement and the exit at the same time, so that the disruption would have been minimal when the change happened. The only visible difference would have been maybe needing a visa to go between the EU and the UK, and such visas would be largely a formality and purely for the reason of filling in the statistics, and maybe also so that known criminals could be barred from such trips. Not totally free movement, but just about the same as before for most people.

    I’ll need to get some more popcorn in to watch the next General Election…. I figure there’ll be a large turnover and a lot of new MPs. If someone is smart enough to start a new political party with the name “none of the above” they’ll romp home.

  10. E.M.Smith says:


    Last time I crossed the Canadian border all you did was show your Driver License and play 20 questions. No passport needed. I’d expect something like that would work between Ireland and UK (as a ‘worst case’). It was basically “What’s your name? Where you going? Where did you come from? What is the purpose of your trip? How many miles on your car?” The last one seems to be to catch folks with scripted answers in an unfamiliar car with US Plates… The spouse and kids (in the car) didn’t even get those questions nor showed ID.

    That’s what I meant about “mostly ignored”. Yeah, it’s a border. People cross it in droves with minimal issues. When I went to Montreal (for the Olympics so admittedly a good long time ago) we crossed into Canada as 2 “20 something” slightly ratty looking males (on the road from California NOT staying in nice hotels…) and the Canadian crossing (little kiosk middle of Nowhere 2 lane road) asked even less. Looked at the car as we approached, looked at driver, looked at me reading my French Language book, asked “where you going”. We answered “The Olympics” in Montreal. Waved through.


    My impression of both the BREXIT Debacle with obstinate resistance and the Impeach Screech with obstinate resistance is that the ambiance of it is not one of reasoned resistance; but rather one of “Money Bags is Telling Me I Must”… It’s like Soros is behind the scenes telling folks “Shiff, you lie or no $Millions” or telling Remoaners “You stop this or your side deal in {corrupt pay-to-pay place} ends”. There is no principle they will not trample for greed. At least, that’s how it looks to me.

  11. rhoda klapp says:

    The UK and Ireland have a ‘common travel area’. We can even vote in each others’ countries if resident. There is no passport check, in theory, although some id is needed to get on a plane nowadays. It’s a leftover from the partition of Ireland following independence. We’ve had different tax rates and money for years which affects freight shipments marginally.

  12. cdquarles says:

    The last time I crossed the border was back in the 90s. I went to Montreal. I flew in, so the check was at the airport. Show ID, answer questions. Going in: Why are you here? A: Visiting for a 3 day conference. Show airline ticket. I think all I needed was the DL, and Birth Certificate. Leaving: Anything to declare? No. Show ID and the airline ticket. Mind you, that was before 9/11/2001. I haven’t been on a plane since the 90s.

  13. Simon Derricutt says:

    EM – other questions at the border could be “And what is your favourite colour?” and “was that an African pigeon or a European pigeon?”. Still, it does seem that the difficulties of the border have been deliberately magnified. At the moment, people cross the border either way to buy cheaper fuel or other goods, so in reality everyone close enough to the border does a bit of smuggling. That also happens within Europe, too, since fuel is heavily taxed in Luxembourg so people going through it or in it to work buy it outside. Also, a lot of people travel in to Luxembourg to work to avoid the high taxes of living there.

    I’m just waiting to see what happens.

  14. philjourdan says:

    Actually, crossing INTO Mexico is very easy. They do not even look at your passport or stop you. Sometimes when you drive into Mexico they look at you, but other than that, most of the time they do not even do that much.

    It is crossing back that you have to stand in line.

  15. YMMV says:

    E.M. “Last time I crossed the Canadian border all you did was show your Driver License and play 20 questions.”

    Those were the days. From what I can tell, a driver’s license isn’t good enough anymore, in either direction. The rules are hard to pin down though. A passport works, a Nexus card works, and also an “enhanced driver’s license” or a “Real ID-compliant driver’s license”. They don’t say, but perhaps this has something to do with states which issue driver’s licenses to “illegal aliens” (can I still say that? — sarc). It seems the border people care about citizenship.

    BTW, starting October 1, 2020, driver’s licenses are no longer enough ID to fly domestic US.

  16. E.M.Smith says:

    Which reminds me, I need to get my passport renewed. I had a “compliant” DL from Florida, but in California just did the regular renewal. And, as I understand it now, part of the “new” process is that the Florida one gets auto-canceled… ( I still have it, maybe I ought to check status on it. IF I’m lucky, California and Florida don’t talk to each other much ;-)

  17. philjourdan says:

    @YMMV – Not true. Drivers licences that conform to the feds list are sufficient. I know as I just got mine renewed and got one that will work on flights.

  18. YMMV says:

    Sorry, I was not precise. Your are right. It looks like most state driver’s licenses do conform now. Since when, I don’t know. The Real ID Act has been around for years, so maybe all licenses from those states do conform.

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