Ukraine – Return Of The Jedi

There’s been two links given to the news that Ukraine has indicted Burisma players:

H/T Larry L: first by about 2 hours ;-)

BREAKING! TRUMP WAS RIGHT!… Head of Burisma Holdings Indicted in Ukraine! …Claims Hunter Biden and Partners Paid $16.5 MILLION
Jim Hoft by Jim Hoft November 20, 2019 592 Comments
The head of Burisma Holdings was indicted this week in Ukraine!
Ukrainian Prosecutor General indicted Burisma owner Nikolai Zlochevsky.

New memos released earlier this month reveal Burisma Holdings, Hunter Biden’s Ukrainian natural gas company, pressured the Obama State Department to help end the corruption investigation during the 2016 election cycle just one month before then-Vice President Joe Biden forced Ukraine to fire Viktor Shokin, the prosecutor probing his son Hunter.

Joe Biden bragged about getting Viktor Shokin fired during a 2018 speech to the Council on Foreign Relations.

The media immediately covered for Biden and said his targeting of Mr. Shokin was totally unrelated to the prosecutor’s corruption investigation into Hunter and Burisma Holdings.

Burisma Holdings actually name-dropped Hunter Biden when requesting help from the State Department.

According to CD Media last week former Ukrainian official Oleksandr Onyshchenko said Hunter Biden was receiving “off the books” payments from Burisma in the millions.

On Wednesday the chief of Burisma Holdings was indicted in Ukraine.

Then Ed Forbes (on the “plastic waste” page) so H/T Ed:


Democrat-Ukraine money laundering operation exposed
Jamie White | – NOVEMBER 20, 2019

The head of Burisma Holdings, the energy company on which Hunter Biden served on the board, has been indicted by Ukraine’s Office of the Prosecutor General for money laundering and corruption, according to Ukrainian MP Alexander Dubinsky.

During a Wednesday press conference, Dubinsky claimed that an investigation into Nikolai Zlochevsky and Burisma found a “link that reveals how money is siphoned [from Ukraine],” notably through Hunter Biden, who received $16.5 million “through criminal means and money laundering.”

“The son of Vice-President Joe Biden was receiving payment for his services, with money raised through criminal means and money laundering,” Dubinsky said. “Biden received money that did not come from the company’s successful operation but rather from money stolen from citizens.”

According to Dubinsky, Zlochevsky helmed a money laundering operation which included politicians from the previous Yanukovich administration who continued their criminal enterprise under his successor President Pyotr Poroshenko.

“We will reveal the information about the financial pyramid scheme that was created in Ukraine and developed by everyone beginning with Yanukovich and later by Poroshenko,” Dubinsky continued.

As I expect this will generate a lot of news, and reactions, and intersect the Faux Impeachment Show Trial, I’ve decided to open a thread just for discussing all things Ukraine related… Go for it.

As an opener, here’s a discussion of Ukraine from a more Russian / Expat American point of view:

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34 Responses to Ukraine – Return Of The Jedi

  1. jim2 says:

    Another revelation from the indictment is that former Vice President Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, and Hunter’s partners, were paid $16.5 million for ‘services,’ according to Ukrainian MP Alexander Dubinsky

  2. E.M.Smith says:

    I wonder if the USA has extradition with Ukraine? And does Hunter have vacation plans for Ecuador?


  3. jim2 says:

    Don’t know, but it would be great if foreign pushed forward the investigations into the 2016 election fraud, out of control of inCongress.

  4. jim2 says:

    Kerry Biden Slush Fund allegations suggest major Democratic Wrongdoings. Leaked documents from the Ukrainian General Prosecutor’s office indicate complex money transfers from foreign sources into the control of a “slush fund.” This slush fund is said to be owned and operated by Devon Archer, John Kerry Senior, John Kerry Junior, Heinz Jr, and Hunter Biden.

    A large cache of confidential foreign documents have just been leaked implicating Joe Biden, George Soros, Hillary Clinton and Joseph Misfud’s collusion and possible criminal activity in Ukraine. Download and start digging!
    Furthermore, it has been determined that after significant payments were made to the firm partly owned by Hunter Biden, Joe Biden while the Vice President operated in an official capacity to change US Foreign Policy to help enrich and protect his son, Hunter Biden.

  5. jim2 says:

    A newly released assessment from the Justice Department watchdog found “numerous issues” related to the FBI’s validation processes for secret sources.

    The audit, published Tuesday by DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz, comes amid intense scrutiny of the Justice Department’s and FBI’s actions during the 2016 election.

    “Ineffective management and oversight of confidential sources can result in jeopardizing FBI operations and placing FBI agents, sources, subjects of investigation, and the public in harm’s way,” Horowitz said in a two-minute video.

  6. E.M.Smith says:

    Looks like Hunter Biden has a “Love Child”…. guess work didn’t keep him THAT busy…

    Not the headline you want:
    “A DNA test revealed Hunter Biden fathered a baby with another woman while he was dating his brother’s widow”

    Hunter is having a bad day… Fox reported that Trump sent a “congratulations on your new grandchild” to Joe Biden… ;-)

  7. E.M.Smith says:

    We need folks to start wearing T-shirts saying:

    Who IS Eric Cia… mella

    (With the whole proper name)… just as salt in the paper cuts…..

  8. Larry Ledwick says:

    Elise Stefanik summary – is she a defense attorney? Great summary tie up of loose ends.

    (graduated from the Albany Academy for Girls, she entered Harvard University, graduating with a degree in Government in 2006)
    Her parents run a plywood business.

  9. Larry Ledwick says:

    LIVE Breaking News
    9 minutes ago
    BREAKING: Justice Department findings on potential FISA abuses will be released on December 9 – Fox News

  10. Another Ian says:

    Likely in high demand from democrats

    “An unpowered invisibility cloak…”

  11. A C Osborn says:

    What is absolutely shocking is that if you do a Google or Startpage search for Hunter Biden Guilty, nothing comes up at all.
    This news is not in the MSM, it is being supressed.
    Instead you have this if you google Hunter Biden Ukraine
    denying it is factual.

  12. Brent Buckner says:

    Perhaps “indictment” isn’t the Ukrainian legal mechanism (c.f. )

  13. Larry Ledwick says:

    Note Tanya Tay is Jack Posobiec ‘s wife – she was born in Belarus.
    Here is his post on twitter about the document.

  14. Larry Ledwick says:

    Here is her translation tweet.

  15. E.M.Smith says:

    Found in a comment in one of the above links from Another Ian; has this interesting bit:

    “We will reveal the information about the financial pyramid scheme that was created in Ukraine and developed by everyone beginning with Yanukovich and later by Poroshenko. This system is still working under the guidance of the current managerial board of the National Bank, ensuring that money flows in the interest of people who stole millions of dollars, took it offshore and bought Ukrainian public bonds turning them into the Ukrainian sovereign debt,” said Dubinsky, adding that “in both cases of Yanukovich and Poroshenko, Ms. Gontareva and companies she controls were investing the stolen funds.”

    So part of the CON is to steal the money of the people and use it to put them into perpetual debt.

    OK, so now ANY time ANY country (even the USA…) is racking up a LOT of debt, you need to ask who is running the CON to put you into debt?

    I think we’ve got a connection to the “Financial Systems” of the world and the “Banksters” in progress… What used to be one of THE most moral money managers, Templeton, seems to have been turned under the kid:

    Franklin Templeton named

    According to Interfax-Ukraine, MP Andriy Derkach announced at the same press conference that deputies have received new materials from investigative journalists alleging that the ‘family’ of ex-President Yanukovych funneled $7.4 billion through American investment firm Franklin Templeton Investments, which they claim have connections to the US Democratic party.”

    “Last week, November 14, the Prosecutor General’s Office (PGO), unnoticed by the media, announced a new suspicion to the notorious owner of Burisma, ex-Ecology Minister Zlochevsky. According to the suspicion, the Yanukovych family is suspected, in particular, with legalizing (laundering) of criminally obtained income through Franklin Templeton Investments, an investment fund carrying out purchases of external government loan bonds totaling $7.4 billion,” said Derkach, adding that the money was criminally obtained and invested in the purchase of Ukrainian debt in 2013 – 2014.

    “The son of Templeton’s founder, John Templeton Jr., was one of President Obama’s major campaign donors. Another fund-related character is Thomas Donilon. Managing Director of BlackRock Investment Institute, shareholder Franklin Templeton Investments, which has the largest share in the fund. It is noteworthy that he previously was Obama’s national security advisor,” Derkach added.

    Derkach then demanded “President Zelensky must pick up the phone, dial Trump, ask for help and cooperation in the fight against corruption and fly to Washington. The issue of combating international corruption in Ukraine with the participation of citizens, businessmen and U.S. officials should become a key during the meeting of the two presidents.”

    OK, simple contact trace:

    Look at ANYONE and EVERYONE who “donated” more than $10,000 to ANY Democrat; but especially those of significant position.

    We now now it is all a “Pay to Play” and that big money laundering is involved, so “follow the money” and anyone making big donations (especially if followed by increasing net worth) is in the stew pot with the rest of them.

    Oh, and if you have money in Franklin Templeton, might be a good time to get it out before the company gets letters from DOJ & SEC…

  16. A C Osborn says:

    “So part of the CON is to steal the money of the people and use it to put them into perpetual debt.

    OK, so now ANY time ANY country (even the USA…) is racking up a LOT of debt, you need to ask who is running the CON to put you into debt?”

    One word

  17. Larry Ledwick says:

    Tanya Tay Posobiec
    14 hours ago
    It is intentionally left in Russian to preserve the accurate wording from the original source
    Tanya Tay Posobiec

    15 hours ago
    I just posted the transcription of the key points of the press conference of Andrej Derkach and Alexander Dybinskij in reference to Hunter Biden’s involvement in Ukrainian money laundering and criminal schemes

  18. Larry Ledwick says:

    Lest we forget – I think the Media is beginning to feel the walls closing in and have reached a turning point as these bombshell revelations come out, they are in a lot of trouble and this may be the beginning of the end for them – – – (Ooops wait a minute – I’ve heard that rhetoric before some where???)

  19. Larry Ledwick says:

    It is not Trump that has been caught doing things he should not be, but rather the Democrats who have run the table, systematically screwing up everything they have attempted to harm President Trump.

    It is hard to have 100% success as being fools.

  20. E.M.Smith says:

    Tim Pool has had an ongoing theme / series about the massive layoffs of folks in the media. It really is rather stunning. Then there’s the “incredibly shrinking market share” for MSM outlets like CNN that I’ve pointed at.

    There’s a concept in marketing. It says that if you can latch your product to a “Celebrity Endorsement” you gather some of the “Celebrity” good will and shine to your product. (Thus all the “Celebrity Endorsements” of products, and more recently causes and politicians). BUT:

    There is a corollary to that (also stated in my MBA Marketing class…) which says that over time, the reputation of the “Celebrity” will be tarnished and brought down by the product (assuming it is not as stellar as the “Celebrity”). So, for example, you had Art Linkletter endorsing all sorts of crap products as his career slowed, and then his reputation became more “huckster” than “Celebrity”. Well, guess what: That still holds.

    So all the “Celebrity News” anchors, showmen, and networks are “endorsing” the failed “product” of the Left Wing Corrupt Progressives… with the absolutely predictable tarnish arriving in their studios and with the audience “catching clue” and moving on. Thus has the MSM become the YSM… as all they emit is a stream of Yellow Journalism…

    I mean, really, after 2 (or was it 3?) years of Russia RUSSIA RUSSIA!!!! and a big fat nothing burger and a few of Mueller MUELLER MUELLER!!! and a big fat nothing burger: they think the current Impeach Screech is going to go anywhere?

    I was out at “one and done”. Even the most slow are out at “fooled me twice shame on me”… Who’s left? Well, for CNN and NYT it’s a bunch of “habitual buyers” like Airports for CNN (in the process of ending, thank God…) and libraries / government offices for the NYT (also reducing); along with “Family & Friends” of the companies, and DNC followers. I.e. preaching to the choir. Everyone else has left the “church”…

    Similarly, once someone like Bezos buys a newspaper of some reputation and turns it into a Vanity Rag pushing his ideology, it isn’t long before the reputational damage shows up and folks leave in droves. So again, he ends up preaching to his followers and nobody else.

    FWIW, I’ve been a SWL (Short Wave Listener) since about 1965 when I tuned in the BBC on my Army Surplus radio for my Mum. I’ve always gotten news from a variety of sources and very early on developed the A/B habit. Listen to Radio Havana, compare to VOA, compare to BBC, compare to … You rapidly get good at seeing the “spin” each can put on the same “story”. Today I do the same thing, but much more often with video. BBC / SKY / Fox / RT / Al Jazeera / France24 / Inews24 / DW / NHK … and increasingly Sky Australia who have clue on the Climate Change Fraud.

    Notice that list no longer includes ABC / NBC / CBS / MSNBC / CNBC … where it did just a couple of years ago. There just isn’t any point. They don’t have any NEWS any more. It’s all spin and political. If you’ve seen one, you’ve seen them all, and whatever they are pushing is also being pushed enough other places you can’t fully escape it anyway.

    Frankly, RT does a better job of actual news than they do. Sure, it has “Putin Spin” in it. Nothing bad about Putin, ever, but lots of “dirt” on America and the EU. BUT, in an A/B with others, it sure shows up where the dirt is being hidden… (and you can get plenty of Putin “dirt” from BBC et. al.) In particular, a show named “Crosstalk” (run by an American ex-pat who claims to be a conservative and does seem to be, mildly) likes to explore current events with a variety of folks from all over the planet. It has surprised me just how much latitude they have in news reporting.

    So now we also have Faceplant and YourScrewed and Twatter busy being “Enforcers” of all things PC and deleting anything damaging to the DNC / Obama / Clintons / etc. So what happens? Folks move to Bitchute and their companies start losing growth (and money) “Bigly”.

    The media folks are tying their reputation to that of the Corrupt and the result is coming home to roost…

  21. Larry Ledwick says:

    Unfortunately the major media is going to be sort of like Sears, should have folded with dignity many years ago but just could not let go and has gradually become a trivial player in the retail scene. Same thing will happen I think with these major media outlets they will gradually sink to a status just slightly higher than the Onion and the Babylon Bee satire outlets.

    The funny thing is the outlets they used to roast for poor credibility like Infowars are slowly gaining credibility. As much as I hate Alex Jones reporting style, sometimes he actually breaks important stories, and some of his street reporters actually get down in the dirt and do real live on scene reporting.

  22. E.M.Smith says:

    As an example, Twitter, which see:

  23. E.M.Smith says:

    I, too, have grudgingly come to accept that despite his “shouting huckster” style, Infowars does have actual news. Though you need a bit of a filter with some of it…

  24. Another Ian says:

    “Does Hunter’s windfall earnings from Ukraine count as recent earnings, and that his support payments will be based upon?”

  25. Ed Forbes says:

    Breaking News Live News had tweeted a story about Hunter Biden, former Vice President Joe Biden’s son, on Nov. 20. Two hours later, the entire account was suspended.

  26. A C Osborn says:

    Another Ian says: 21 November 2019 at 7:41 pm
    Did he pay tax on those amounts one asks.

  27. Another Ian says:

    AC O

    Well if it was justice for Al Capoe – –

  28. Another Ian says:

    “Text of Congressional Funds for Ukraine”

    “In each case the money was authorized to be spent but in no case was it required to be spent. You can argue that there are reasons the money shouldn’t have been withheld but without any (imaginary or real) NEFARIOUS!! reasons, Trump has full rights to withhold it.”

    Not the Ukraine but check the two posts above this one as well

  29. Another Ian says:

    And posts below – there’s a roll of interesting (IMO)

  30. jokward says:

    We’ll just give you hundreds of millions of dollars so it can get ‘lost’ just like the billions we gave you before. There bloody well better be a quid pro quo.

    Or it may end up in the Burisma piggy bank that pays out to folk who know sweet fa about what they are drawing their ‘wages’ for … and some who do, such as – Cofer Black. Now where have I heard that name before …

  31. p.g.sharrow says:

    If you want a good primer on what is going on in the Ukraine and the world politic.
    If you have a couple of hours to spend you might listen to this:

    Glen Beck lays out the Soros / socialist connection to the State Department and their frantic drive to cripple the Trump Administration. Best synopsis that I have seen yet on the Permanent Dark State. This is 1 of 4 specials where Beck makes the connections,history, and names the names of the actors and their agenda.
    While this is the first that I have seen of Becks presentations, he seems to hit all the bases that I have known about plus a bunch more. …pg

  32. E.M.Smith says:

    I’d seen that on the Roku but the length put me off… Maybe after the Trump rally…

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