UK Vote & Brexit

Well, today is the day in the UK. All you lot get to vote, again, after 3.5 years, to try, again, to be heard. BREXIT, this time for sure! Maybe.

So last news I saw had Conservatives set to win, Labor being shunned, and The Brexit Party in a small role that people had no idea what the impact might be.

So this posting is here just as a place to keep track of things as they unfold. To post commentary or complaints about the whole process, or the outcome, or just that you have to do this all over again, again. Or to cheer should Jeremy Corbin get sacked.

With that, we cast our fate to the winds and hope for the best possible.

As 1/2 my family are in the UK, this does rather matter to me. Mum was one of 9 kids. While one went to Canada, one to New Jersey, and she to California, there’s still the other 6 that stayed in the UK. Then there’s all those cousins and such from just a bit upstream… There’s also a lot in Australia as her Dad’s Brother, also a Sailor in Her Majesty’s Merchant Marine, stopped there on one voyage and decided to stay, so a lot in Australia are likely watching this too. Mum’s best friend from England ended up in New Zealand after W.W.II so there’s this global diaspora interested in the results.

Now this global family & friends group gets to await the end of the day of voting in the UK. Please choose wisely. We’re all rooting for you.

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49 Responses to UK Vote & Brexit

  1. Science Researcher says:

    It’s not hard to understand the new paradigm in climate science that is based on correct physics and supported by solid evidence in experiments, studies and data for Earth and planets throughout the Solar System. It will blow your mind: https://www.researchgate.net/project/Refutation-of-Carbon-Dioxide-warming-and-Correct-Explanation-of-Temperatures-and-Heat

  2. Taz says:

    I want more distance from Britain, Israel, and Saudi Arabia.

    All are infected/infested with something we don’t want here.

    No interest in being their buddy,buddy.

  3. Borepatch says:

    Guido Fawkes has good, ongoing coverage from ground zero:

    https://order-order.com

  4. E.M.Smith says:

    @Taz: As my relatives are in the UK, I can’t really have more “distance” so I’d rather try to influence their direction via engagement.

    @Borepatch:

    At first, in my morning pre-coffee blear, I thought it said Guy…. but then wasn’t that his real name?…

    Thanks for the link.

  5. titan28 says:

    I expect Boris will win. Real problem is that his Brexit plan is really nothing more than a May plan 2.0. In short, unless I’m wildly mistaken, real & true Brexit is not ever going to happen.

  6. Steven Fraser says:

    @EM: You wrote: ‘ I thought it said Guy…. but then wasn’t that his real name?…’

    He was also active in Spain, and used Guido there.

  7. Robert Lynn says:

    Taz: UK gains tremendous soft-power by being relatively easy for many westerners to work in for a couple of years in your 20’s-30’s – particularly from common wealth countries doing their “OE” (overseas experience, something of a right of passage). Those generally high performers come home, and eventually run their countries with strong connections and friendships with people and memories of UK. US would benefit if it were to make it similarly easy for western young adults to work in US for a few years.

  8. E.M.Smith says:

    ITV Live is showing an exit poll

    CON  368  
    LAB  191   
    LDEM  13  
    BRX    0  
    SNP   55  
    OTH   23
    

    Looks like Boris has done it

  9. cdquarles says:

    Maybe exit polls work better in the UK than they do in the US. I want to see actual counts, not poll estimates.

  10. E.M.Smith says:

    When it is almost 2 to 1 I’m willing to bet the final will be with the 2.

    What I don’t know is any peculiarities of how the UK sorts all that into a government.

    But yes, the only thing that will really matter is the final count.

    It also us very unclear if a real BREXIT will be delivered v.s. BREXIT In Name Only.

  11. Larry Ledwick says:

    Boris wins and Brexit is going to happen:

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/12/466771/

  12. Larry Ledwick says:

    The British Pound surges following election results favoring Boris and Conservative landslide.

  13. E.M.Smith says:

    It is amusing to hear liberal commentators talking about the tragedy….

    I wonder if the USA Democrats will consider that the villified Boris is getting the rebound vote, and what that might mean for their TDS driven vilification / impeacment effort and their future repudiation?

    Naw, that would require thinking, self awareness, and introspection… Oh, and NOT thinking we are all Deplorables and idiots to be molded and manipulated.

  14. beththeserf says:

    Conservatives have now won 8 Labour seats and more in trouble…

  15. E.M.Smith says:

    ITV now has an Exit Poll Plus, where they adjust for results in. Conservatives now 4 less, Labor up by 3, LibDems up 1.

    CON 364  
    LAB 193  
    LDEM 14 
    BRX   0     
    SNP  55    
    OTH  23
    

    So maybe not as huge a win, but still trending to win.

  16. jim2 says:

    Wait! I heard Pencil Neck state Boris was working with the Russians. He has his hands on a dossier stating Boris spent the night in Volgograd pissing up a rope with Chinese trans-gender midgets.

  17. corev says:

    I’ve been emailing with a friend in Wales and he is noting the losses in what were generationally or decadally uncontested labor seats. It sure looks it will be a landslide

  18. E.M.Smith says:

    I’ve seen a couple of others where Conservative + Brexit exceeded Labor, but Labor still held the seat. Has me wondering if even more Labor seats would have been lost had Brext Party sat out.

  19. Chris in Calgary says:

    Here’s what I can’t understand: Corbyn poisoned Labour with far-left demagoguery and anti-Semitism (not to mention failing to take a position on the election’s biggest issue), and still 35% or so of the UK population voted for him. This despite a plethora of other options.

    If we’re not counting Scotland where SNP has filled Labour’s shoes, and Northern Ireland that has a completely separate set of parties, it’s higher than 35%.

    Is this all herd instinct, or are 35%+ of the population supportive of far-left policies and anti-Semitism? Obviously, I’m missing something here, but what is it?

    Thanks for your thoughts on this.

  20. tom0mason says:

    Probably the funniest item ever written …
    https://thefederalist.com/2019/12/11/hillary-clinton-chris-steele-allege-boris-johnson-is-a-russian-stooge/

    Hillary thinks Steele says Boris Johnson is a Russian stooge!

    Hillary Clinton, who is saying to the British press that it is “shameful” the U.K. government won’t publish Steele’s report before the election. She also told the BBC that she’s “dumbfounded” that Johnson’s government could get away with not releasing the report, allegedly damaging to Johnson.

    :-)

  21. Foyle says:

    Antisemitism is part and parcel of modern Labour because they court the substantial Muslim vote. Long may they continue to revolt the general population in this way

  22. jim2 says:

    Looks like Britain has its share of asshats too! I hope we can get some video here in the States of them crying. From the article:

    We’re broken-hearted not because we’ve lost a game, but because we know in our hearts what this means for so many people in this country. It means the foodbank queues will get longer. The tented cities will grow. It means more kids going to school hungry and schools falling apart and our dreams of rebuilding our precious social security system lie in tatters.

    It’s a bitter, bitter blow to everyone who cares about our planet. And it reveals hard truths it will take time to come to terms with. But let others recriminate. We’ve got work to do. There are people who will need us more in the next five years than they have ever needed us. It’s time to put our arms around each other.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/welcome-friday-13th-horror-show-21087033

  23. E.M.Smith says:

    @Chris in Calgary:

    Greed and coveting are strong emotions. Add that to the Story that “It isn’t your fault you are a failure, it is those rich Others that are doing it to you!”. That is the basis of Communism and its house broken sibling, Socialism. All that varies is who’s stuff to covet and take.

    Jews have a culture of hard work and shaming lack of accomplishments, so tend to work hard, study hard, do well and live well. This makes them frequent targets. Then blend in that the Koran says they are the enemy of Islam… So if you want a big Muslim vote, dis Jews.

    In other places, the Other can be businessmen (bougois capitalists) or a generic “The Rich” in American politics. During the Russian communist era, Kulak farmers (over 8 acres of personal land), so millions were killed in Ukraine.

    Hope that helps explain it. By definition, almost half the population are below average income and accomplishments. Is is an “easy sell” to tell them is is only fair to take the stuff of the more successful. The method and window dressing changes (“tax the rich” by US Dems, socialized medicine through the EU, land “equality” and redistribution in Rhodesia snd South Africa, “Reparations” by the Racist Baiters, etc.) But at core it is the same thing:

    “I don’t have much, you have a lot, give me your stuff.” Wrapped in a Story of why that theft is a good thing, and you are not bad for taking the stuff.

  24. E.M.Smith says:

    ITV commenters are saying this means a conservative government for variously 5 or up to 10 years. How does that work? Can the PM just not have an election for 5 to 10 years?

  25. Steve C says:

    Well, pretty much what I expected to wake up to but not good news. Mr. Punch has won, returning power firmly to the uniparty; Mr. Punchbag’s leadership is (mercifully) over so that his party can be returned safely to uniparty control; the yellow uniparty was never going to do much better than they have. What little hope there was for a proper Brexit disappeared when Farage peaked too early last time out and the others, as ever, are irrelevant.

    (Sigh). Expect “BRINO” and continuing discontent. Johnson will stay until they can find somebody a bit more stable and controllable. The Labour Party will “deal” with the imaginary “antisemetism problem” which was invented to remove Corbyn, thereby again becoming another safe uniparty outlet. The Liberals will continue to bumble along at a few percent across the country, and Farage will probably catch some flak for his unreliable performance. We will see how much European law remains to pollute our country when the Grand Declaration that We Are Out is made.

    @E.M., 4:42 – Yes, since the Tories passed an Act a few years ago, we are now supposed to have fixed-term 5-year governments, so all Johnson has to do is survive the first 5. You’re not supposed to notice that we’ve had 3 elections in the past 5 years, though it is a useful indicator that basically they make it up as they go along …

    FWIW, my local results (you may recall I predicted a Labour win by inertia):
    Labour: 25735 (Elected)
    Tories: 8343
    LibDem: 1954
    Turncoat Leslie: 1447 (was 28102 when he stood for Labour)
    Brexit: 1343
    Green: 1183
    Wha’ did I say? About the only positive sign is the shortage of Greens.

  26. Bloke in Japan says:

    This is all looking a bit sour. Conservative up by 66 seats to 364 (needed 326 to get a clear majority). Labour down by 42 to 203. Cons won Workington (great name, ex-steel and coal mining community in the rustbelt NW) for the first time since it became an electorate in 1905. Etc.etc.

    Corbyn is an un-repentant old school marxist as are his faction in the Labour Party, Momentum. Their platform is nationalisation of industry (illegal under EU rules), compulsory unionism, and confiscation of wealth. This may have played well in 1946, but St Margaret of Thatcher freed up the then stagnant UK economy and forced local authorities to sell “social housing” to tenants. Mendicants became property owners. These are the people from whom Labour were to confiscate wealth.

    Labour are also fully supportive of unrestricted immigation (because they will vote Labour) so there is lots of competition in the unskilled and semi-skilled labour market. This is Corbyn’s “Deplorables” moment, along with the Central London Lefties being able to smell the Trump (Boris) voters in Walmart (Tesco).

    This is a watershed moment. Working class communities that have vored Labour since the inception of the party (1920s) have switched to Conservative because the Labour Party no longer represents the Working Class.

  27. jim2 says:

    My question is, given the fluidity seen the last 3 years in bending or outright breaking rules, what is the chance of getting a clean Brexit. All they have to do now is say “I changed my mind, we are going to do a clean Brexit.” ???

  28. E.M.Smith says:

    Final result, per Sky

    CON  365
    LAB  203
    LDEMS 11
    SNP   48
    GRN    1
    OTH   22
    BRX    0
    

    Looks like the exit poll was close.

  29. E.M.Smith says:

    Sargon of Akkad is having a good day :-)
    (Strong language)
    “Never Bet Against Britain”

  30. Larry Ledwick says:

    Okay now who will be the next EU state to say bye bye?
    I think Poland will exit stage right soon over the immigration issue.

    The other possibility is Greece will find a way to cut the financial ropes to the EU and reinstate its own currency.

  31. E.M.Smith says:

    Poland wants protection from Russia, so IMHO will be reluctant. So it becomes a question of how that balance strikes.

    I wonder if a Visegrad group might split off. Folks with historical issues with Germany. So Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia… As a group they would feel comfortable with a split.

    But if I had to pick, I’d pick either Italy or France. The Italian political leadership is already in place
    France has the people pissed and ready for change.

  32. Larry Ledwick says:

    Drum roll please! The Soros clown show now in ring #3

  33. Larry Ledwick says:

  34. Kneel says:

    Interesting distributions. Seems Lab & Cons “swapped”, with Labour pandering to the remainer/green/inner city and the Conservatives pandering to the labourers/common man/suburbanites.
    As per the video, most seem to just want The Man out of their lives to some degree and most especially get rid of unaccountable Euro-trash over-ruling the will of the people.

    An object lesson in what happens when you try to tilt the entire political spectrum to the left – eventually, “hard right” (really more like center or center-right) get elected while the left cry “unfair!”, “wrong!” and talk about “people not knowing what’s good for them”. Well, we actually do know thanks very much, and it ain’t you – this time. Once the other mob goes too far, we’ll swing the other way. That’s why there’s two sides and neither “always” wins – they’re both wrong, most want the center, the “sensible”, but the only way to get that is to “tack”.

  35. A C Osborn says:

    Unfortunately for the UK Johnson’s Brexit is not a clean Brexit and also ties us to our current situation for 1 to 2 years+.
    Not good.

  36. rhoda klapp says:

    I’d like to say something about the TV coverage. We in the UK have been incredibly ill-served by our TV channels, and the press. The proof is just how surprised they are by the way the ordinary people (in the UK we are not yet deplorables, but we’re getting there.). All the pundits, all the party reps, the whole political class, baffled by the way we voted. Just as they were in ’16 for the referendum, just as the US lot were in November 16 (I was living in TX at that time). They could have asked us, and we would have told them why, but no, they sit there without our input and make up the reasons out of thin air. Usually because we are stupid, uneducated, ill-informed and deplorable. They just don’t get it. But what I wanted to get to, the crux of the complaint, is that these same people will be on my TV tomorrow, and next week, and next year. They will still be wrong. They will still be useless at their jobs. What the H are we supposed to do to get quality coverage?

  37. phil salmon says:

    Alternative reactions to the UK election result (mine’s the first!)

    https://images.app.goo.gl/3ENmuEx2uN2ZgaoH8

  38. Larry Ledwick says:

    What the H are we supposed to do to get quality coverage?

    Right now you basically have to become your own journalist and find sources that provide useful information and pick and choose what covers your interest.

    Big pain in the butt but there are only a handful of alternate media outlets right now that are in the early process of trying to re-capture journalism as it should be practiced.

    I tend to watch these in the US, in addition to my twitter feed.
    (if you select the right users to follow they with their posts essentially provide a curated feed of news bits )
    https://trends.gab.com
    https://www.theepochtimes.com
    https://bonginoreport.com

    https://searchconservative.com (provides search results that does not exclude conservative leaning news) – but is not quite as deep or relevant as https://startpage.com which anonymously pulls google results.

  39. cdquarles says:

    Find yourself a branch on TheConservative TreeHouse :). Dang, has it really been three years?

  40. rhoda klapp says:

    No guys, I know where to find the conservative stuff in US or UK. What I want is for people on the other side who provide a lousy service to be removed from my screen for cause, the cause being that they are bad at their jobs. The only plan I can see from the MSM is to slowly bleed to death. I’d like them to speed it up, or do good work. I am not talking about bias here, I expect bias. I am talking about doing their jobs right.

  41. Larry Ledwick says:

    I understand and agree but unfortunately that will be an evolutionary step that takes years perhaps decades as the old activist journalism is slowly eaten alive by the new independent web journalism.

    Right now the New York Times and other Left wing news outlets have effectively bottomless wallets to feed from as they bleed to death. They are cutting back on staff but their agenda is political not business and they still are taken as gospel by a large enough faction of the population that they are still twitching and not dead yet.

    This item makes an interesting point that the Left thinks online media outlets like the left wing twitterverse is reality when it is in reality a bubble of hard left group think pretending to be a cross section of the culture.

    Meanwhile within Twitter and along side it, like the Bongino Report, Laura Loomer etc. are building a conservative news structure in plain sight but the left still thinks it is a loony fringe rather than the tip of an ice berg.

    Lots of folks are really pissed but the Left does not comprehend that the conservatives are not inclined to march in the streets at the drop of a pussy hat, and vocally protest every cake undecorated. but rather slowly build pressure and quietly look for payback by other means. That reckoning is coming just like in the UK, and it will blind side the Left and they will rationalize it by categorize it as something it is not, to make it fit their delusional world view, and wonder why it makes no sense to them.

    The hard left got too bold and exposed their hand before they had a lock on the system and even well meaning folks who had other things to worry about are beginning to get red pilled and realize what the long term objective is and it is not the government they want, and that every message from the left is the anti-message of the truth.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/corbyns-bloodbath-defeat-in-uk-election-sends-warning-to-2020-democrats

  42. E.M.Smith says:

    Rich with F-Bombs and definitely NSFW, Akkad Daily has a joy fest over the tears of remoaners and their constant crying of “Racist!”… Overused epithet to the point it may shortly become a badge of honor… just sayin’… Call me an asshole often enough, then maybe I’ve got nothing left to lose and will vote against your ass…

    Fun to watch him revel in the moment ;-)

  43. cdquarles says:

    PM Boris Johnson and President Trump, maybe you should make this your theme song: , ;p.

  44. Larry Ledwick says:

  45. E.M.Smith says:

    So is that “deal” a good deal, a bad deal, or a “deal to make a deal”?

  46. E.M.Smith says:

    Looks like maybe it’s a “law to make an agreement to make a deal” if Huff-Po can be believed (just the first link to come up in a search):

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/brexit-deal-approved_n_5dfcddd8e4b0b2520d09ded3

    The bill means Johnson’s deal, which settles issues including citizens’ rights, the £39 billion “divorce” bill, and the Irish border, can be ratified in the UK.

    He is expected bring it back before MPs on January 7 so it can complete its passage through parliament in time for the UK to leave the EU and enter a year-long transition period, during which negotiations on a long-term future relationship will take place.

    The bill also now outlaws any attempt to extend the transition beyond the end of December 2020, sparking concerns from Plaid Cymru MP Jonathan Edwards that Johnson has “boxed himself into a corner” by creating a new cliff-edge, and possible no deal, date.

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