Just a place for posting links, video, news, whatever about the events that unfold today in the capitol of Virginia as a Tyrant attempts to remove Constitutional Rights from the population, who do not approve.
What is particularly interesting is to see both the right, and the left, along with those “in the middle” all wanting to support the 2nd Amendment. I hope that everyone realizes that on THIS topic they can band together and present a unified voice. Setting aside other issues for the day. Yet “Hope is not a strategy. -E.M.Smith” and we know that there will be deliberate attempts to stir up trouble. Agent Provocateurs.
I’ve been in enough such “political rally” events to know various TLAs (Three Letter Agencies) and even local police seed the crowd with “undercovers”, some of them as “leaders” of various rank, and use them to attempt to raise the pitch of excitement so as to “out” the “leaders and troublemakers”. May folks resist the egging on…
I would love to see this posting reach the end of day with video of a large number of people standing around listening to boring speeches…
But we will see.
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Read it for yourself. Don’t let anyone else snow you with some obscure “interpretation” of it. Look up the meanings of the words “in that day” and decide for yourself. Here’s what I get out of it:
“A well regulated militia”. In the day, “regulated” meant well practised or well tuned. You still see this use in “regulating” two shotgun barrels of a double barrel to hit the same point. Militia is the army of the people. Then, the adult men of fighting age. Now we’d include women willing to take up arms as well. So this says “A well skilled and practices army of the regular people”.
“being necessary to the security of a free state”. In the day, Tyrants were the big worry. I’d assert we’re headed for that same experience, given how Central Authority Government continues to erode individual liberty. Notice this does NOT say “it being necessary to hunt down Bambi”. It is NOT about HUNTING. It is EXACTLY about “military style” weapons. To me, this says “if you want to remain a free state, it is necessary to have that army of the people”.
“the right of the people to keep and bear arms,” This is a RIGHT. It is a right of THE PEOPLE. Not the States. Not the State National Guards. Not the collective. THE PEOPLE who will make up that peoples army against the freedom robbing tyrants when the time comes. It is a right to KEEP – possess, own, have at home. And a right to “bear” – carry around, move, transport. Arms. Military style arms. To me this says there is an absolute right for individuals to possess and transport and carry military style arms.
“shall not be infringed.” Most abused part of that RIGHT. It is “infringed” on all sides. Until quite recently, folks owned private cannon and even tanks with working guns. Watch the old Black & White movies from the 50s; pocket guns were common but shootings rare. As there has been ever more infringing of what, when, where, and how of arms possession, crime and bad results have increased. To me this part says “shall not be reduced or restricted in any way”. Yet we have a lot of that already and the results have been universally bad. “An armed society is a polite society” is very true. The “Shootout at the OK Corral” that is the stuff of legends was all of 9 people that lasted 30 seconds. Only 2 people were killed. It was from a time when everyone was free to wear a gun. Now, in bad sides of town, a 30 second shootout would hardly make the news. Only in “Gun free zones” do we get a dozen plus shot.
The Gunfight at the O.K. Corral was a 30-second shootout between lawmen and members of a loosely organized group of outlaws called the Cowboys that took place at about 3:00 p.m. on Wednesday, October 26, 1881, in Tombstone, Arizona Territory. It is generally regarded as the most famous shootout in the history of the American Wild West. The gunfight was the result of a long-simmering feud, with Cowboys Billy Claiborne, Ike and Billy Clanton, and Tom and Frank McLaury on one side and town Marshal Virgil Earp, Special Policeman Morgan Earp, Special Policeman Wyatt Earp, and temporary policeman Doc Holliday on the other side. Billy Clanton and both McLaury brothers were killed. Ike Clanton, Billy Claiborne, and Wes Fuller ran from the fight. Virgil, Morgan, and Doc Holliday were wounded, but Wyatt Earp was unharmed.
So we’ll see what happens in Virginia. How much fraud is spoken, and how a Tyrant treats the Citizens when they assemble to protest.
The expectation is that the people protesting will be unarmed. The call to action has been accompanied with requests to show up disarmed. The only folks with guns will be the Central Authority. We’ll all get to see how it behaves. Will the Tyrant with all the firepower use it wisely? Or will folks learn something we’d all rather not have demonstrated? In any case “we will know them by their deeds”. Hopefully we will not have a “practical demonstration” of why the 2nd Amendment says we’ll need that militia to oppose the tyrant.
@EM: (Picard voice) “Make it so…”
Watching ch 13 from Norfolk Va. (Via NewsON on the Roku) says the busses of protestors loaded up in Virginia Beach about 30 min. ago. They will have coverage all day per their statements.
They have an Android and Apple apps. https://newson.us
Said busses return about 2 PM Eastern, so 11 AM my time. As its about 20 F the short schedule makes sense.
Looks like this is a news show from 2 hours ago per the time stamp of 6:20 A.M. Eastern on the weather report.
A tour of all the usual channels has the Impeachment Follies Speculation on US sites and Harry & Megan on the European ones. So guess Virginia isn’t interesting until something bad happens. Oh Well. Time for a breakfast break I think… or at least a second cup of coffee ;-)
Breitbart has a live stream
Looks like RT has a live feed too. Presently just a street scene w/o any voiceover.
I wonder what the deal is with all the folks wearing a large red ‘aiming dot’ on their chest…. or maybe I’m interpreting the RT scene too much….
Periscope hss a couple live two. Here’s a random one:
Interesting one. Half dozen views, including a drone and a speaker, all in one panel. Trumpet news:
The orange dots = “Guns Save Lives”
Same idea, but better implemented:
https://www.periscope.tv/w/1OwxWdXMNMQKQ in that some of the visusl and text clutter is gone.
@Ossqss: Thanks! Looks orange in the sun, red in the shade, so a camera white balance artifact. Thanks for the closeup. On RT some folks just walked by with long guns on their backs… I’m running RT live on the TV, variety stuff on the tablet… can you say news junkie? :-)
Guns are permitted to be open carried in Virginia. Gov blackface banned them in the assembly area/cage they created in the square because of claimed credible threats. I am still looking for the anti-gun protesters. I would think they would fill the CNN and MSNBC screens? :-)
VA crowds ( I see open carry of AR-15’s in the crowd, looks like a lot of folks are staying outside the fence enclosure)
attached video clip starts out with a few seconds with no audio
Related to opening comments although many ignore it the assertion that the 2nd amendment only protects the right to bear arms as a part of an officially recognized militia like the National guard was struck down by the Heller decision.
It is important to note that the 2nd amendment does not grant rights to anyone – it affirms pre-existing rights of the people under 1000 years of common law and natural law (right of self defense) and places restrictions on the governments ability to interfere with those rights.
District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), is a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to keep and bear arms, unconnected with service in a militia, for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home, and that the District of Columbia’s handgun ban and requirement that lawfully owned rifles and shotguns be kept “unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock” violated this guarantee. It also stated that the right to bear arms is not unlimited and that guns and gun ownership would continue to be regulated.
A bit more from twitter
Notice the return of the yellow Gasden flag “Don’t Tread on me”!
Note 5th picture down, cops in uniform showing a banner that says
“We support the second amendment”
Lots of open carry outside the fence
This guy writes for the Daily Beast so is emphasizing those groups
but provides nice documentation photos of the crowd in the streets.
Love Tim’s response to Morgan Freeman’s post
(he has been slowly shifting his stance after his beating by antifa)
Protesters in Virginia fly the Hong Kong flag as a show of respect for the efforts of the people in Hong Kong to protect their liberty.
Hong Kong flag at Virginia 2A protest
RT RUPTLY showing a whole bunch of bored police standing around talking to each other :-)
Meanwhile gun sales spike in Virginia due to the recent moves by the Governor.
Participants in the crowd in Virginia have come from all over the country.
Humor the best weapon for political protest.
These are not the white supremacists you are looking for.
Global News out of Canada covering the speakers.
Aaaand as soon as I posted that, they went to silent area shots….
It is amazing how reserved, self controlled, and polite everyone is. Then again, these are folks who have chosen to take on an interest that demands self control, maturity, responsibility, and discipline.
Close up of the crowd marching toward the capital has several folks with spanial sized dogs, well behaved on leash, and several more pushing kids in strollers or prams :-)
Moms for guns, gotta love it!
And two guys with white canes….
It looks like they are doing the airline protocol… women with small children and special needs folks ahead of the main body of the marchers… who are arriving behind a pace car / van.
No shouting tantrum brats. No screaming ninnys. Just a regular cross section of America.
Now there’s another shot with about a dozen white canes… following their lead car… reduced vision does not mean no vision or that you can’t aim.
From LL’s post:
K. S. Carter @TheKSCarter
#VirginiaRally, it’s almost weird how polite everyone is…#2ADefenders
Well, there aren’t a lot of thieves at the gun range either. :)
Patriots cleaning up trash after their rally
When you need to reach out and touch someone.
I suspect this estimate is conservative, from the street scenes I saw the out of venue crowd was much bigger than that.
One advantage of hopping around sources is multiple views. There were many large groups separated by gaps. If you only showed one group, it looks smaller. The areal shots showed several block long segments of people in different parts of town, with big gaps between them, likely to allow traffic through the gaps.
I’ll actually be watching the YSM tonight; just to see for myself how corrupt and biased their lies about the event might be.
Entirely peaceful and polite mixed race mixed gender mixed political POV group, defending their common right.
Interesting thought too bad we don’t have time machines, would be interesting to show that picture 2 up from here showing a black woman with a slung AR standing peacefully in the street surrounded with people of all colors similarly outfitted, and show it to a black circa 1865 and be able to tell them that in 155 years this is the progress your people will make due to your struggles.
Even in 1955 it would have been essentially unthinkable in the former confederate states.
Just taking that crowd estimate at face value 25,000 people, perhaps 80% carrying firearms equals 20,000 armed civil militia mustered in Virginia which is almost 3x the entire staffing of the Army National Guard in Virginia. It is approximately equal to all military reserve components in the state of Virginia.
The entire active military in Virginia is about 89,303 so this rally was a very significant fraction of the active military in that state.
Never mind the fact that most of the military in Virginia if push came to shove would side with the street crowds rather than the Governor’s position.
The anti-gun left will down play those facts but a message was sent.
I think this image was included in one of the links above bu here it is by itself.
So I guess the question now is just:
Have the Virginia Dims gotten the message, or are they so owned by Soros and Bloomberg money that they will continue pushing this stupidity to the next level?
Hopefully their “coaches” are whispering in their ears that this was a large, well regulated, determined, diverse set of citizens spanning all demographics. That their attempt to spin this into a race rant failed miserably. That next time will be twice as large…
I don’t hold out any hope they will get the message that having thousands of guns “on the street” is safer… when it is the average citizens holding them.
Might be interesting to compare crime statistics day of the rally vs average… I’d bet hard money crime was VERY low during the rally….
By Federal Law every American male over 18 and under 54 is a member of the Militia. It certainly looks to me that these 22,000 armed citizens are well regulated and trained members of that militia and are doing their civic duty to defend the Constitution from All Enemies, foreign and domestic….pg
Very slightly off on the ages (not important) – Technically they are the unorganized militia by the statute. History tells us that in times of emergency that upper limit can go up to the 60’s and 70’s
This statute is the basis for our selective service registration at age 18.
The citation is:
10 U.S. Code § 246. Militia: composition and classes
(a)The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b)The classes of the militia are—
(1)the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2)the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
32 U.S. Code § 313.Appointments and enlistments: age limitations
(a)To be eligible for original enlistment in the National Guard, a person must be at least 17 years of age and under 45, or under 64 years of age and a former member of the Regular Army, Regular Navy, Regular Air Force, or Regular Marine Corps. To be eligible for reenlistment, a person must be under 64 years of age.
(b)To be eligible for appointment as an officer of the National Guard, a person must—
(1)be a citizen of the United States; and
(2)be at least 18 years of age and under 64.
Democracy at its best, A large assembly of people with civility and good humour supporting their Constitution. Washington, John Adams, Jefferson and Franklin would have loved it.
WSLS 10 reporting says only one arrest. How on earth fo you get 22,000+ people anywhere for a day and only have one arrest?
They didn’t say who or why yet. If they do, I’ll update.
World wide coverage of Virginia is starting to show up.
From Reuters (the voice inflection of the commenter on this video is kind of funny sort of “breathless” and anxious in character.
I understand the place was pretty cleaned up after today’s events, by the protesters. Anyone remember the multiple assemblies of the Save the Earth crowd across the country and the piles of garbage strewn everywhere they left behind?
20 January 2020 at 4:33 pm
That story is actually about a response to NBC’s claim that the protesters are all “White Nationalist”.
He is the White black one.
I have only read a handful of comments. But being (probably) the only one that was there (briefly, I hate crowds and speeches), I will say that I have never felt safer which is the general consensus of everyone involved. After all, does anyone in their right mind (which I guess excludes most liberals, but apparently not Antifa) really want to start anything when everyone (outside the fence – where most stayed) is armed?
Of Course Governor blackface used that as an excuse to try to START trouble, just as Gov. MacAwful did when he pulled the police from the C’ville March 2+ years ago (documented) so that someone would get hurt (she died). But then those were mostly liberals there – the neo-KKK and Antifa – just different eras of the liberal enforcement wing. And not the peace loving conservatives demonstrating today.
@EM – they are owned by Soros and Bloomberg.
But the people of Virginia are not. It has to go around to get around.
Just for future reference
EM I saw a post a moment ago on Twitter that the sole arrest in Virginia was a woman (Mikaela Beschler) who refused to remove her bandanna face mask. Virginia has a mask law.
Based on behavior I would bet she was a leftist Antifa type that did not get the memo.
Just an observation Official crowd estimates for Jan 20 2020 second amendment rally was 22,000
A few unofficial estimates ranged as high as 60,000 total crowd including those outside the primary capital grounds and on the surrounding streets.
So basically you have a self mustering infantry division on call at any time any where in the country in the unorganized militia of the US, and several times that as backup if things goes sideways should the government take steps the people find unacceptable.
The street protesters in France, Iran and Hong Kong see this and understand what it means. Which is why the protesters in Hong Kong openly fly our flag and sing our national anthem.
Our leadership and the media sees this but will refuse to publicly recognize the significance of this display of Ernest of Intent by the public to defend their rights. But the message was sent and received.
As Thomas Jefferson noted this is a message that needs to be sent every few generations to keep the memory fresh in the minds of the power brokers.
Division (military) – Wikipedia
A division is a large military unit or formation, usually consisting of between 10,000 and 20,000 soldiers. Infantry divisions during the World Wars ranged between 8,000 and 30,000 in nominal strength
One interesting thing I noticed is that the yellow “Don’t Tread On Me” Gasden flags are back.
For a while they were Antifa magnets and folks avoided displaying them due to the Left’s trying to saddle them with a racist connotation, but there were quite a number of them flying at the Virginia protest in a racially mixed crowd and no one cared.
Perhaps their true historical association with a message to the powers that be has finally taken it’s rightful place over the manufactured Leftist propaganda that it is some how a white racist symbol.
Kind of what I expected about the arrest. It’s usually the “young left” that is a bit clueless about what happens when The Cop says “Do” and they say “No!”…
Had not heard that they tried to make “Don’t Tread On Me” somehow a Racist thing. Seems daft to me, but that’s what they do…
As you said, many more available if things “went sideways”. I didn’t go because the spouse was out of town and I’m “dog sitting”. Plus, didn’t think it worth the 4 day drive for a couple of hours of standing around. Were there a Real Need ™, I’d have the daughter take the dogs and load up a few friends in rotating divers situation and do coast to coast in 56 hours (yes, did that once… heck, that even included one night in a hotel… so could probably get it down to 48 hours…)
BTW, I’d arrive equipped with a California Politically Correct 10 round Magazine wood stock rifle. Fed rapidly by 10 rd stripper clips of which I have dozens… SKS Carbine ;-)
I figure if it was good enough for Russia & China in a few wars, and many other countries too, it ought to be good enough for me… And it IS in line with all the stupid ugly gun rules. Bayonet and all.
I figure I could, if pressed, equip at least 3 other people (long guns and sidearms). So would not need them to have their own, just be willing to “contribute” the labor side.
I suspect the same is true of a lot of those folks who did show up… So…
Figure 3 x more for the “friends” and then maybe another factor of 5 for the folks out of State or just not that interested in Virginia who would show up if it were really needed, then 3 x more for their friends… I place that about 4 + 20 or about 24 Divisions, if really really needed.
So that’s about 240,000 at the low end or about a million at the high end. Roughly.
Oddly shows 37% have a gun in 2019 but 43% did in 2018… I suspect some folks have decided to answer “No” since the Democrats have gone on the gun grab… There ought to be somewhere around 100 Million households so figure 30 to 40 million have guns (that they admit…). That would be the upper bound of “already equipped” at home.
while generally negative at gun owners does have this interesting statistic:
So now we know why there’s such a push to grab ours. The USA is the last 5% that has a large and effective counter force to a Globalist Takeover.
And with one gun / person, we could field a very large resistance, IFF it were ever needed.
They try to make a big deal out of only 1/4 of the people owning the guns. This ignores that all of mine are under my name, but my spouse was shown how to shoot (and likes it) as were both of my kids. One owner, 4 shooters…
What showed up in Virginia was only a very very small part of the potential. The Dims are basically pissing on about 1/2 of the country. The half that owns the guns… Not their brightest move as I doubt they can stand to lose even 1/4 of the votes.
Then there’s this:
Ya think?! “This behaviour is by design”… And the more there are attempts to grab the guns, the more folks will own in the quiet.
I know of at least 3 guns that are not tracked by anyone. When my Dad died, my Mom decided to just give away his guns to other folks in town who they knew. A very nice .257 Roberts bolt among them. Oh Well. Dad had said it “kicked like a mule” even with the butt pad so I’m only a little miffed about not inheriting… That was from back in the days when folks didn’t do ANY paperwork on guns. I got my Deer Rifle via UPS delivery to the door, “purchased” with stamps we saved from the food we stocked in the restaurant. It was one of the catalog of goodies you could get… An old .30-30 Winchester, it’s now gone to a new home too.
Good luck trying to unwind 100+ years of heritage arms. Especially with an unwilling target group.
FWIW, as soon as I’m back in Florida, I’m going to buy another one… or two… Not sure what yet, but just to NOT have the California Paperwork in my grill and enjoy the experience ;-)
If you read the accounts of what happened in Concord and Lexington it is a useful history study on this sort of situation.
Prior to the British move to seize arms in Lexington and Concord the local militias started drilling.
On the morning of the confrontation, there were 77 militia on the green to face 700 British troops. After the first volleys of fire at Lexington the militia fell back and the British troop moved on to Concord and broke into detachments of about 100 men which were then confronted by 400 militia assembled at North Bridge. The British were out gunned and fell back to rejoin with the other detachments and hastily assembled reinforcements from Boston.
The now approximately 1700 British then conducted a tactical retreat under fire for the approximately 18 mile retreat to Boston.
At the end of the action the British had about 1500 militarily effective troops surrounded and under constant fire by approximately 3900 militia.
The ride of Revere, Dawes, and Prescott triggered a flexible system of “alarm and muster” that had been carefully developed months before, in reaction to the colonists’ impotent response to the Powder Alarm. This system was an improved version of an old notification network for use in times of emergency. The colonists had periodically used it during the early years of Indian wars in the colony, before it fell into disuse in the French and Indian War. In addition to other express riders delivering messages, bells, drums, alarm guns, bonfires and a trumpet were used for rapid communication from town to town, notifying the rebels in dozens of eastern Massachusetts villages that they should muster their militias because over 500 regulars were leaving Boston. This system was so effective that people in towns 25 miles (40 km) from Boston were aware of the army’s movements while they were still unloading boats in Cambridge. These early warnings played a crucial role in assembling a sufficient number of colonial militia to inflict heavy damage on the British regulars later in the day. Adams and Hancock were eventually moved to safety, first to what is now Burlington and later to Billerica.
Now do it with cell phones and streaming video and imagine the effectiveness!
For those interested this book is a very interesting read. Especially the part about the old man on a pale horse that made the British pay a heavy toll.
I’m fond of saying “Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes”. It’s a way of pointing out that primitive things can work well. Latency is high, but boy, when that packet arrives…
Similarly, with it being, worst case, 2 days for drivers to take something across the nation, how fast do you think it could go by CB and HAM radio even IF the phones and internet were shut down?
Then there’s that pesky problem that IF you cut off the internet, you just alerted absolutely everyone, at once, that’s something bad is happening.
Had there been a sudden communications blackout in Virginia, how many thousands would have instantly started to converge? Eh?
Bongino has coverage of the rally starting at about 39 minutes. Now I know why so many folks at the rally were spoofing “White Supremacist”. Dan does a video montage of news readers with that as their DNC Approved Talking Point. Then, at about the one hour mark, he’s brave enough to play the Veritas video of the idiot on Bernie’s staff looking forward to guillotine & gulags for republicans. So who knows how long before it is banned…
The stuff Project Veritas is bringing out right now is down right disturbing, these folks if they got in power would be perfectly comfortable to create and an American “killing fields” or Cultural Revolution” they are totally over the top totalitarian communists.
Interesting set of videos from the rally. Starts with the AOC interview where she’s incensed that there were not more police and claims “Confederate Flags” were around ( I didn’t see any but maybe someone had one?) Clearly clueless on “self policing”. Then there’s a guy claiming the rally was “white supremacists” that would go bat shit crazy if the Black Panthers were allowed to have guns… and the presenter then shows a photo of the Actual Black Panthers that were at the rally to defend their right to be armed. Gotta love it. Pwned David Hogg with one photo.
@Larry Ledwick says:
21 January 2020 at 11:33 am
Yep! Governor blackface would let her go, but not the police.
@EM – there was one (count it, one) Confederate flag.
Probably brought by the antifa beatch as there was an accomplice that tried to incite some of the 2A folks to scale the fence and “shoot the bastards”. He was “menaced” out of the area.
It is true, conservatives can pretend to be liberals, but liberals cannot imitate conservative. The latter takes brains
@Larry – The Babylon Bee? Fake news site according to “Snopes” LOL
Yep they actually “debunked” a popular satire site.
Probably “debunk” humour too