In theory, in about 12 to 18 hours, depending on when Senators show up and finish their Daily Graft, Bribery, and Extortion: the impeachment trial begins.
I expect it to be boring as hell and about as exciting as watching, with great fear and anticipation, just how the 3rd rerun of Lassie ends…
But, just in case something interesting pops up, here’s a thread to discuss it.
So far, the proposed / approved “rules” do not include a move for summary dismissal. BUT, does this prevent a motion to the Judge Roberts that the Articles are defective on their face as no crime at all is alleged? Therefore the impeachment ought to be nullified and made to never have existed?
Ought (or will) the Republicans benefit from drawing this out? I think a large part of the timing is just to clear the Senators running for POTUS out of Iowa at the critical time of caucuses. The usual DNC Corruption of the primary process, but with a twist. So better to drag it out, help Biden get the nomination, then drag him and Hunter in to testify (and entrap…); or, end it in just a day or two to thwart the goal of sidelining the Senators Warren, Burnie, and whatziznames?
Oh, if you haven’t seen it, Pelosi is on some talk show (Bill Maher) just busting with joy and venom saying Trump is “impeached forever”. Yeah, Nancy, you have crapped in the punch bowl and it is your crap for “forever”. The Senate will dump it out back of the House for historians to document. Great display of the “Junior High School Mean Girl” ethics, maturity, and morality. Yup, marked for life… “And you shall know them by their deeds”. Oh, and you get the first glass of punch… Bottoms Up!
I’m not sure which I want more. Trump unimpeached by SCOTUS. Biden(s) twisting in the wind for weeks on the witness stand. Pelosi slapped down with a near immediate acquittal with prejudice.
But what I want doesn’t matter anyway. We’ll get what we get. Best guess right now is based on Senators saying “almost Clinton rules”. I’d like to see some kind of surprise instead of justifying the crap process of the House. But whatever…
Re-posting this here since it is the natural place to find it.
SCOTUS cannot unimpeach. But the forever is indeed on the crap of Pelousi.
But 2 things to watch for (at the end of this week). McConnell’s poison pill, and the cross. From the senators. Other than that, yea, a real snoozer. And Biden wins because of it.
Ah I see Larry Ledwick posted the poison pill at the same time I mentioned it.
I have decided to prepare, via collusion with the Russians.
Yes, folks, I’m in league with Russia as of now. Just bought a bottle of Stolichnaya Vodka and poured 2 fingers on rocks.
Seemed curiously appropriate.
So now you can legitimately say I’m sending money to Russia in exchange for alcohol, and giving them my financial support. All ~$20 of it ;-) More real than anything the Coup Plotters have claimed…
I’d heard a theory that the constitutionality of the Articles could be challenged, and if found unconstitutional due to no actual crimes, repudiated. Not that I think it likely at all, but interesting. The guy saying it was a lawyer; but they make lots of crazy legal theories that get smoked after $ thousands of litigation… and an elected politician, so double biased.
Even that could be constructive in the long run, try to dismiss on lack of merit. The courts either decide yes and the deal is done, or they say no and it goes to trial in the Senate anyway – but – in the process of the court challenge info could be exposed to the public during a period of high interest that might get lost in a routine Senate trial. It could also serve as a delay tactic to push the dog and pony show later in the season when it will have more impact on the election when the Dem’s get outed for all their corruption and manipulations. Rudi and Dershowitz are not dummies and neither is Trump. They are tie this up in a pretty red bow and hang it around the neck of the Democratic nominee.
“Ought (or will) the Republicans benefit from drawing this out?”
Do you suppose both sides have spent a lot of time discussing this question?
2nd question: I’m happy parts of the “swamp” are being exposed, but how much has 3 years of this cost in $$$, and opportunity cost?
“Trump, the Trollmaster”
The opportunity cost is huge, just think what Trump could have accomplished with out having to fight constant pitched battles against Democrat harassment and legal obstruction of every thing he tried to do.
Hopefully in the long run the Dem’s pay a huge price for that theft of time and opportunity.
This impeachment will be the most important event in the Trump Presidency. The Dark State must be exposed and the Democratic Socialist Party destroyed. The Democratic Party leadership think that this is their only chance to discredit Republicans and if they fail prison awaits for many, so they must push forward to the end.
Chief Justice Roberts could end this thing this week by throwing the House Case out for lack of a crime but he has never been a trial Judge and is also likely a Dark Stater, so I would guess he will let the House case managers run with their prosecution while the Presidents men and McConnell’s Senators lay traps…pg
p.g., I think Roberts will only pipe up if asked a direct question on the Constitutionality of some point or other to get a read on how the S.C. might rule on an appeal. Otherwise, he’s just window dressing. I’m sure he wishes he was any place else but at this circus.
He can’t step in because the Senate is the Judge and Jury. Well, I suppose he could interject a warning that something done could be appealed to the Supreme Court and that the S.C. would not rule favorably. In other words, “Cut it out. Don’t go there.” But I don’t see him doing that.
Justice Roberts will have to be dragged into the swamp. He won’t step in willingly.
I posted a link to the President’s reply brief in the WOOD thread. It could go here, too.
[Reply: You mean like here:
Click to access Trial-Memorandum-of-President-Donald-J.-Trump.pdf
-ems ;-) ]
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@Nancy & John – re: “Do you suppose both sides have spent a lot of time discussing this question?”
Probably. But what does a poker player do when he is all in?
Tries to keep the game going longer in hopes that the winning hand drops out.
The democrats are stalling hoping for someone to slip them an ace The Republicans can play along and make Bernie, Amy and Faux suffer. That is not going to sit well with 75% of the party.
@ANother Ian – ROFL!!!!
@HR – I heard the question today – who was Chief Justice for the CLinton Impeachment hearing?
IN other words, the CJ is just a figure head. With no real purpose.
The dimowits are floating amendment after amendment to introduce “evidence.” They want to make all their points by outlining the amendment content hoping that’s what people take home for the weekend. McConnell should pull a fast one and keep going over the weekend.
Looks like Fox has a live feed of the senate (though only 45 min left for a particular side so who knows if it ends then or what, but about 9 hours into it)
This “trial” is so incredibly dull that I’d rather watch commercials and “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” (and I’m not a vampire movie person…)
I’ts only 7:30 PM here, and I got up late, then took a nap, and this has me ready to go to bed… and I’ve only watched maybe 15 minutes of it…
One observation I saw is this is basically a democratic filibuster, they will propose enough amendments to give each of their managers “face time” on tv, and to chew up time, hoping something breaks their way.
By they time they get done folks will have stopped watching live and then they can spin the Republican followups via the media. They are intentionally trying to bore the socks off their own voters in hope they can force them to only follow the trial on the major media.
There are also some that assert the intent is to keep Bernie from campaigning by tying him down with the trial, but today I heard he is leasing a private jet so he can whistle off every chance he gets.
Nadler is on now, saying that the President’s team is lying and done so repetitively. BS. Look in the mirror, Nadler.
Meanwhile they are cutting off live feeds to the impeachment debates from independent sources like Judicial watch and Right Side Broadcasting.
Why in the world…. Google must have the tiny bit of clue needed to realize this is going to burn them. So top cover of owned?
Google (which owns youtube) is so big now they think they are immune to back lash. Just one more step down the road of search censorship, but now as they have over the last few months starting to deplatform videos on youtube that do not fit their very liberal bias.
Their first push was demonetizing conservative content, on youtube, now they are flat out dropping certain providers.
What amazeses me is the idea that by royalty pissing me off I’ll become their supporter.
‘I love Octopussy, his arms are so long;
There’s nothing in nature so sweet as his song.
‘Tis true I’d not touch him — no, not for a farm!
If I keep at a distance he’ll do me no harm.’
This is a good one… Tim Pool reports on a Democratic push to prove Parnas right, and in the process get a leaked audio tape from a dinner where Trump ordered the firing of the Ukraine Ambassador who was bad-mouthing him. Problem is this was a year before Biden announced he was going to run.
So the Dems just proved that Trump was investigating corruption in Ukraine and fired the Ambassador for cause before Biden was even running. Gotta love it…
That is not the way the fake news is spinning it. They are trying to implicate Trump as a confederate of Lev.
TDS is right! They prove his innocence by their incompetence.
Seems about right
“CNN, yes CNN on the sleazy Bidens”
There was a crime committed today in the Senate. President Trump’s defense team was openly clubbing
baby sealsthe Democrats and the House Managers to death with the Constitution.
Pam Bondi also smacked Biden around with his own tape of him admitting to his corruption and even drew the previous occupant of the Whitehouse (He Who Shall Remain Nameless) into it.
Epic 9 hours of just-the-facts smackdown.
That CNN snip is a shocker. Looks like Biden just got a good look at the underside of the Hillary Bus…
I’d been ignoring the whole circus. But if you say it’s worth it, guess I’ll look for the reruns
@E.M. – You might want to catch the highlight reels and not spend a lot of hours watching. The really good stuff will start surfacing tomorrow as bite-sized clips, ummmm, but not on YSM outlets.
However, Alan Dershowitz’s closing out the day was a master class in Constitutional law regarding impeachment and it’s well worth watching all of his part. He particularly shows how this shampeachment is a danger to the separation of powers and to the Senate itself.
After hearing Dershowitz, any Senator who doesn’t vote to stop the circus immediately is betraying the Senate, the Country, and the Constitution. So naturally, all the Dems will vote to go on with the show. Damn Commies!
Actually, I think a couple of Dems might break ranks, but Mittens Romney is still so butt hurt and bought off that he’ll vote for anything that might screw President Trump. Mittens will probably be the only Republican to break ranks.
Then again, I might get surprised and a lot of Dem Senators will vote to acquit or even send the mess back to the House as deficient, unconstitutional and therefore null and void. Now that’s not because they are standup patriots, but because they will resent the House trying to take away their power and the money that enriches them personally. “Don’t ever try that again you little rat bastard crapweasel upstarts! Don’t eff with my gravy train.”
This entire impeachment campaign is a top down attempt to manipulate the outcome of the 2020 election. The Deep State / Democratic Party coalition is failing in their effort, too long, too boring, even counter productive. They have been sucking their own exhaust so long that they sound like drunken grade schoolers and people are beginning to notice.
When one watches and listens to the Republican presentation vrs. the Democratic one, it is like, an all star team playing a bush league team. Even the bush league cheering section, MSM, sounds lame and amateur. The 2020 election will not go well for the Democrats if they keep digging this hole.
Hell! I’m a life long Democrat and I am ashamed of the lot!
Last night caught the segment by Starr ( I think…) and it was masterful oratory. First time I’ve listened to a lawyer and really wanted to hear them talk.
FWIW, the YouTube algorithm on the Roku seems a bit more like the old one. That is, it gives you more of what you watch, not biasing to PC Crap as much. So once I watch some of the impeachment defense, it feeds me more bits of it. Convenient, that.
I think it is partly because the TV may be shared by a lot of people so they are not as willing to try to ‘nail you’ as one person. Then again, I also go out of my way to watch ‘variety stuff’ of many flavors. I think it may have decided I’m a Frat House with a Nanny ;-)
So having selected one to watch, it ought to feed me the various argument segments as “recommended”. If not, I can search for them.
One very telling point: I tried to watch the Dems presentations, but it was just the Nadler & Shiff Show reruns and I’d seen it all far too much already. Repetitive, boring as hell, full of invective and spite (spittle?), and devoid of reasoning skills. Painful, really. I could only stand about 3 minutes of each then went to watch something more uplifting, like the Corona Plague Coverage … /sarc; (almost…)
I saw (on Fox? TimCast?) a statistic that something like 8% of the people cared, at all, about the impeachment trial. Just want it over and gone. Not watching. The Dems have hung so much on this Faux Drama and folks just are not interested. Not buying it.
Then another Talking Head was pointing out the obvious. That we have the scheduled “Surprise!” “New!” “bombshell” discovery du jour: and they shot that wad in the SCOTUS Clown Show so again, nobody cares. It isn’t a surprise entry to the Stage when you have seen the script before, know the playbook, and it wasn’t a decent plot device the first time.
So we’re all just waiting for them to wrap it up, one way or the other. Odds are about 99.99% Trump is exonerated, but if,God Forbid, not: Well,OK,we just elect Don Jr. or Ivanka Trump in 2020 … The “revenge” vote would be gigantic…
Back in the 1970s I was involved in Alaskan politics and to be Senator Ted Stevens explained how you make money in American politics. The following interview lays it out very well. Play close attention to the last half, in patticular the Part about Elizabeth Warrens Daughter’s business. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CPJPc_1N28 A lot of the Democratic party leaders are neck deep in this graft,,,pg
Perhaps RINOs too?
RSBN on the Trump rally thread broadcast, just announced that Repubs. announced they don’t have enough votes to block witnesses and the impeachment Schiff Show may drag on for months.
So: Romney & The RINOs Revenge, or setting up for the Bidens as targets?
Well Ted Stevens was a Republican and RINOs are Democrats in elephant coats. The Deep state can’t help themselves as they dig this pit deeper and deeper. In my opinion, This show Must go on until the election to totally destroy the Democrats and expose all of these people to the light of day. The Bidens are just the tip of this thing.
@EM – re: the Schiff show – Interesting sidebar 2 weeks ago, on Jeopardy, one of the questions was who was Schiff (they stated his position an showed a picture).
No one buzzed in.
Now THAT is the best statement on this whole schiff show.
Got a chuckle out of that! The Dim of the Dems are leading them off a cliff with the voters. Yes, they are consolidating their base, but via driving out anyone not nutty from TDS.
Pam Bondi rips the Bidens and, IMHO, sinks the “no reason to investigate the Bidens” core requirement of the Dems Partisan Political impeachment case:
Some interesting statistics on the NJ rally contained in this write up.
You’re on a roll today! Those stats are impressive:
1/4 Democrats? IF Trump gets even half of the 10% who didn’t vote before, it will be an historic win.
Then the Impeachment Follies are alienating huge swathes of the voters, and the Dims are preparing to offer us a choice between a flat out liar in Pocahontas, a creepy quid pro Joe, or a maniacal power mad Billionaire Troll who hates the people. Not one centrist likable person in the lot of them. They were driven out early by the DNC. I really would like a good choice, but the Dims are dedicated to the corrupt, the lying, and the power mad.
Fox News just had an interview 2 hours ago with Rand Paul. Judge Roberts barred his question. It seems he asked what discussions several involved people might have had about impeachment prior to the phone call, and then just listed a bunch of names of folks who were known to be friends AND some worked at the National Security Council. He did not finger anyone as the “whistle blower”.
So my guess is he named He Who Shall Not Be Named, Chiarly Mello… confiming two things:
He IS the guy.
He has CIA Cover.
This also implies Roberts IS subject to control via compromat, and the Op is at least a TLA Op and likely CIA. There is no legal grounds for not naming the guy who started it all.
Supposedly the names ard in Rand’s twitter feed.
It was due to he who shall not be named. Which is stupid (and brings into question Roberts intelligence).
The only idiots who do not know who charly mello is, are the ones that watch cnn and msnbc. By last count, about 2million folks/
Well now here’s a convincing reason given by Adam Schiff to convict Trump.
Trump may sell Alaska to the Russians in return for their help to get Trump reelected.
I think I missed the best two hours of entertainment on TV yesterday; Adam ‘Shifty’ Schiff’s closing argument.
Or buy Greenland! ;-)