W.O.O.D. – 27 February 2020


This is another of the W.O.O.D. series of semi-regular
Weekly Occasional Open Discussions.
(i.e. if I forget and skip one, no big)

Immediate prior one here:

and remains open for threads running there (at least until the ‘several month’ auto-close of comments on stale threads).

Canonical list of old ones here:

For just general FYI notices, use to “tips” pages. All the old ones remain for historical reference:
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What’s Going On?

Stock Markets are in free fall. Shorts are shorting hard. Probably best to ride it back to the moving average beford selling if you weren’t stopped out.

Turkey is using mass Muslim migant invasion of the EU for more bkackmail money. Greece and Romanua not playing along. Violent mess at the closed border. Expect this to get much worse as Covid-19 rips through the hoard.

The EU just agreed to Boris’ terms of meeting in England as equals negotiating in English. The EU has a € 75 Billion or so deficit due to BREXIT, and stresses are mounting.

Then there’s Covid-19.

The world is a mess right niw.

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A technical managerial sort interested in things from Stonehenge to computer science. My present "hot buttons' are the mythology of Climate Change and ancient metrology; but things change...
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145 Responses to W.O.O.D. – 27 February 2020

  1. philjourdan says:

    February 27? It just came through today. Slow email day.

    The DNC is doing major arm twisting. I wonder what they promised Buttigieg. He was and is at the top of the field, yet he folds like a cheap gambler after one loss. I do not know if he realizes he just became the Ross Perot of the 21st century Someone has some major dirt on him.

    But that does bring it to a 2 man (literally) race. 2 septuagenarians. Basically the face of the democrats is 2 old white guys. Biden and Bernie.

    I am still voting for Bernie. Even if he was the shoo in for the nomination, I just cannot bring myself to vote for an idiot who still does not know what state I live in.

  2. E.M.Smith says:

    I think wordpress had a hicup… I need to fix the text too.

  3. beththeserf says:

    Mister Fixit. :)

  4. E.M.Smith says:

    Yeah. Not sure what happened. Did I not finish the draft? Did WordPress restore? Whatever. So it is a limited commentary section this time.

    FWIW, in this IceAgeFarmer video you can see my local COSTCO being mobbed in the opening segment. He does the usual “bit over the top” presentation. COSTCO is a huge warehouse, so as soon as they open the door, all those folks will fit inside. Still, it is far more than the usual opening 2 dozen…

    While I agree with his basic premise that things are getting colder and wetter, and being prepared with youf garden is way good; the “doom in our time” tone wears after a while.

    Of note: that the one Covid-19 patient transported to UCD Med Center from Solono has put 124 UC Medical staff in self quaranteen for a few weeks. You can only do that a couple of times before your local medical facilities are ouf of service.

    Hospitals need to start treating ALL suspect cases as confirmed until proven otherwise AND to test ALL suspect folks in the parking lot. We are nowhere near that, but must get there or our medical staff are offline in a few weeks.

  5. E.M.Smith says:

    I have a big problem:

    Tomorrow is my voting day. As an independant, I can vote in the Democratic Primary.

    Do I vote for Crazy Bernie knowing Socialism is the kiss of death, or do I vote for Corrupt Quid Pro Joe 330 who’s lost his marbles? Or someone else? ALL of them are horrible, both for the nation and for the Democrats. Or just sit it out at home and be safe with tequila? (Oxymoron much?)

  6. llanfar says:

    Stay home. Stay safe.

  7. philjourdan says:

    @EM – same here. But I am voting for Bernie. Biden is just a blithering idiot – and besides, he is expected to win the state.

  8. philjourdan says:

    Interesting pattern. Since I now own gold, I watch it every once in a while and especially this past week. Thursday, Gold took a nose dive (relatively speaking). I think the fake panic by the fake news is what held Friday to a small loss in the Stock Market. And sure enough today it skyrocketed.

    If I get some time, I am going to try to chart the changes in the price of gold (not the actual value) with changes in the stock market. I will be watching both closely for now.

  9. p.g.sharrow says:

    Gold is real Money, Wealth, Currency is just a medium of exchange of questionable value that can change at any time. You can always trade gold for other things of value…pg

  10. E.M.Smith says:

    In formal economic terms:

    Gold is MONEY since it has inherent value and is a “store of value”

    Paper currency is a fiat numpty that MAY be useful as a “medium of exchange” but will eventually “always return to its inherent value, which is nothing” (Pascal, I think).

  11. co2fan says:

    SETI is quitting.

    Waste of electricity.

  12. E.M.Smith says:

    IMHO, their basic flaw is not respecting inverse square AND communication tech newer than 1970.

    First: any radio broadcast will fade to nothing, thanks to inverse square power reduction, inside a few light years. Heck, we can just barely receive the voyager signals at the edge of our own solar system.

    Second: any advanced society will be narrow beam communicating on laser light or using spread spectum in microwaves (that will look like noise) and all of it encrypted and at minimum power needed to make the link (like our cell phone do now.)

  13. H.R. says:

    E.M.: “[…]and all of it encrypted and at minimum power needed to make the link (like our cell phone do now.)”

    Ah… that explains those phone calls I’ve been getting telling me to build pyramids and line them with crystals; Intergalactic spam.

    They also warned me that people would be listening in.

    Oh, wait… they’re probably just now hearing about our NSA.

  14. jim2 says:

    Any news on Larry L.? I hope he is alright. I know he had a cold or something last time he posted.

  15. philjourdan says:

    @pg – I understand what gold is. I am just looking for a “canary”. Like today. Gold shot up again. But the stock market tanked as well. However the fly in the ointment is the fed that tried to interfere and just messed up the trend.

    Last week was interesting since gold shot up the first few days and the stock market tanked, but dropped big time on Thursday while the market moderated on Friday. I am not looking for a trend between the 2, just the canary.

  16. philjourdan says:

    Thoughts on Chris Matthews.

    Matthews is a total jerk. I would not spit on his pants leg if it was on fire. But he is getting a raw deal now. If the reason he was canned was his incompetence, then every urinalist out there should be fired. But the excuse is that he was misogynist. Excuse me? He did not make leering comments. He made flattering ones. Ok, the women did not like them So who stole their tongues? He was complimentary, not wolfish! If women of today are demanding impotence from males, that is what they are going to get. But the men will go out and find real women who are not intimidated when a male pays them a compliment!

    This is PC run amok! ANd I for one will not abide it or condone it. If women do not want to be complimented for their looks, SAY SO! Stop being cowards! Many women DO want and like compliments! And I am not going to stop doing so because some faux feminist cowards that are too afraid to say they do not like compliments, try to silence all compliments.

    I said many months ago that #metoo had gone too far. ANd I detest Matthews as he is an idiot. But a Misogynist he is not!. And if those timid little weasels are upset about compliment to their pulchritude, then wear a sign!

    I refuse to endorse, support, condone, or empathize with the metoo. The cry babies have destroyed what could have been a noble endeavor (that snared the likes of Weinstein).

    You cried wolf once too often idiots.

  17. David A says:

    Home, I was just thinking of asking about Larry L.

  18. ossqss says:

    I did try an email to EM yesterday on the MIA Larry L. No idea if it is still applicable via about, but I tried!

  19. Power Grab says:

    @ philjourdan re “The DNC is doing major arm twisting. I wonder what they promised Buttigieg.”

    IIRC, there was a news tidbit today that said Bernie (or Bloomberg?) was going to put Buttigieg in charge of his gun confiscation project.

  20. E.M.Smith says:


    I check my email about once a quarter. It is a miserable job…

    No idea about Larry L. But going to give it a while longer before I start pinging. IF he’s sick again, last thing he needs is pings…

    In Other News:

    @Democrat Broken California Vote Count:

    They changed the system so any voter can vote at any polling place in the county over 10 days. BUT that meant fewer and less near polling places. I got a page long list of addresses, most of which were meaningless to me. So I picked one I knew, drove 8 miles, and voted. Nearly empty early morning. The clerk got to slowly touch screen though the computer, then play 20 questions. Do I want to, on the spot, change my registered party? Paper or touch screen. English of other…

    After voting on paper, it was fed to a scanner on the spot.

    BUT … some of the computer vote stations crashed. With fewer and unfamiliar locations, some were mobbed. Waits at several Los Angeles areas were over 2 hours. One was 4 hours. At 10 P.M. 2 hours after polls closed, there are still lines.

    Nobody knows when the count will be done. It will be a while before we know if it is The Socialist Millionaire or the Senior Village Idiot who doesn’t know where he is or what position he’s running for. (Asked one group for their vote for him to be Senator…)

  21. Another Ian says:

    E.M. FYI

    “Why We Need Immediate Changes to FISA Laws – A Video Encapsulation….”


  22. Another Ian says:

    You’ve got to hand it to Kate!

    “Bloomberg Wins American Samoa”


  23. philjourdan says:

    @Power Grab – It was Biden who promised Beto that role for his support on Monday.

  24. YMMV says:

    “The Socialist Millionaire or the Senior Village Idiot”. IMO, Socialist bad, but at least he seems to be an honest (on the special scale for politicians) hypocrite. The Idiot reminds me of Howdy Doody, which leaves open the question of who is pulling the strings (or flapping the arms and jaw). First guess, Deep State. Too bad Tulsi turned out to not have any balls. All ballots should have a “none of the above” option.

  25. pouncer says:

    They changed the system so any voter can vote at any polling place in the county over 10 days. BUT that meant fewer and less near polling places.

    Houston is being sued over “civil rights abuses” for closing polling places. They HAD closed polling places, for exactly the reasons California has — (supposedly) better tech allowing more flexibililty and greater voter convenience. But Texas was under court watch from 1964 Civil Rights action until recently, while California was not. So, back to court …

  26. Power Grab says:

    @ philjourdan: Thanks…Missed it by one B….

  27. Power Grab says:

    I vote by marking my choices on a big, heavy ballot. Then I feed it into a scanner. I like it that way.

  28. cdquarles says:

    I voted yesterday as well. We have some new things in place.

    First you *must* have a photo ID, and here such is REAL ID compliant. The poll workers scan your ID using the magnetic strip. You then sign a 2-factor electronic signature device. This device gives you a paper receipt. You hand that over to the worker who gives you a ballot.

    You don’t get that receipt without choosing a primary (so now they *can* see who violates the law by voting in a primary and voting otherwise in the general election in November.

    You then fill out the big paper ballot. This time it was double-sided. You then put the paper ballot into a scanner, which then prints another receipt. This system can be audited and verified. Fraud is much less likely with it, though not impossible. Still, the absentee system can and has been abused. Here, fraud will most likely be done that route.

  29. philjourdan says:

    @CD – Our system is similar, except they do not scan the ID, they only mark it in computer. And there was only one primary (republicans cancelled theirs), but they STILL do not know who you vote for in the General here since there is no receipt when you put your ballot into the counter. Nor is there a law that says you have to vote for the party in the general that you vote for in the primary. The Parties tried to do a “non-binding” agreement on that several times (at least once for the democrats and only once for the republicans). But basically both parties were told at the time that their requirement was not legally binding.

    A talking radio head said if the republicans caught you voting in the democrat primary, they could revoke your party privileges (but I am not a member of either party). Somehow, the status of republicans in this state, I do not think they can afford to do that.

  30. Another Ian says:

    There has been panic buying here of – guess what?


  31. E.M.Smith says:


    Without food you don’t need it!


  32. Another Ian says:

    A saying among older men of yesteryear around here was like that

    “Thou doest not eat thou canst not shit and therefore thou shalt die”

  33. philjourdan says:

    @Another Ian – Venezuela is screwed!

  34. Another Ian says:

    A terse look at economists and Australian politics

    “Comparable Analogies”


  35. Another Ian says:

    MSNBC’s Brian Williams reads a tweet: “Bloomberg spent $500 million on ads. U.S. Population, 327 million. He could have given each American $1 million”

    NYT Editorial Board Member Mara Gay: “It’s an incredible way of putting it. It’s true. It’s disturbing”

    It’s $1.53 per person pic.twitter.com/dIiwCESgh8

    — Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra) March 6, 2020″



  36. E.M.Smith says:

    Heck, I might have voted for him for a $ million…
    But I think Brian skipped some zeros…

  37. cdquarles says:

    In the old days of doing long division, you would have put the 500M in the numerator and the 327M (too low) in the denominator. The M would cancel, leaving 500/327. About $1.50 per person! Life changing? Not.

  38. cdquarles says:

    An update on our primary. On the Republican side, there will be a runoff March 31st, between Jeff Sessions and Tommy Tuberville. I am still torn. Tuberville is younger and an outsider. I am not sure I can trust him. Jeff was a victim of the swamp and I do know him somewhat. He’s older, too. Cue the sweating guy deciding which button to push.

  39. p.g.sharrow says:

    @cdquarles: we know that Sessions is a spine less RINO, I have no idea about Tuberville. Sessions can, no doubt, win in the general. ..pg

  40. cdquarles says:

    Hmm, pg, I don’t think so. As I said, I do know the man somewhat. What’s said in the media and the actual facts about things often disagree.

  41. philjourdan says:

    Sessions is a swamp dweller, but not a RINO. He misread Trump and paid for it. I do not know the coach, but I think either will do Alabamy well.

  42. p.g.sharrow says:

    I heard Sessions was a fair judge and a good Southern Senator, But ! he was not an administrator of any value, He let his Dark State subordinates walk all over him as Attorney General while he hid in a corner. His job was to dig them out of the wood work, not put them in charge. Even now Barr is trying to “Protect the Justice Department” management when he should “perp walk” the lot to strike fear in the rest. That was SoP that this crowd used on their targets to win their point!

  43. philjourdan says:

    @EM – I would have voted for him for $10k. It was only a primary.

  44. E.M.Smith says:

    Good point about it being the primary. So, OK, I’d tumble for $100,000 (’cause I’m an expensive whore…)

  45. philjourdan says:

    Yea, I know I am cheap and easy.

  46. Another Ian says:



  47. E.M.Smith says:

    @Another Ian:

    Well, I am an OK lip reader. Unfortunately, that’s just a one frame still.

    I can tell you it is a loud vowel, A or O (or maybe the start of I that has a shape change over time for many speakers and dialects). E has more mouth closure, U has lips tighter.

  48. philjourdan says:

    Looks like the democrats are repeating their shenanigans from 2016. Bernie is getting screwed again, and they are not even clever about it – http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/08/sketchy-44-dallas-county-precincts-were-not-included-in-super-tuesday-results-election-officials-request-recount/

  49. Another Ian says:

    Now hiding under a coronavirus

    “DOJ Political Surveillance – From the IRS in 2011 to the FISA Court in 2016…”


  50. Another Ian says:

    Now you know

  51. Another Ian says:

    Both via Red Power

  52. Another Ian says:


  53. E.M.Smith says:

    I find it funny folks are in a panic over T.P.

    There was a time before T.P. and humanity survived. My “back up plan” for running out of paper goods is: hand towel for paper towels, hanky for kleenex, and a rag / soap / water if needed for T. P. Now perhaps my tendency to be a solid “log former” isn’t average, but only when I ate domething “unusual” and things go all “hurry up mushy” does much show up on the T.P. I also grew up shoveling various critter poo, so not squeamish about it. It’s just poo and soap+water fixes it. Heck the shower is right there too…

    He of the 2 x double Mega Roll 12 packs says… ;-)

  54. Ossqss says:

    Oh boy, I should have skipped that last comment from EM. I had to read it twice as the fist round had “Log Farmer” in my head. Butt, I guess that would be accurate
    LOL ;-)

  55. Another Ian says:

    Panic buying of TP here and a few supermarket brawls


  56. Another Ian says:

    “California Bill Would Punish Retailers That Have Separate Boys And Girls Departments”


    Via SDA

  57. Another Ian says:

    A different source of TPA


    To keep with another of its reputations each square should have had a picture of a crocodile on it

  58. H.R. says:

    @Another Ian 11 March 2020 at 4:35 am:

    Omigish! That’s LOL stuff. We often joke about the bird cage liner qualities of our (least) favorite newspapers, but when they are essentially admitting that they are no better than toilet paper, well I guess we should sit back and soak in the schadenfreude.

    Funny stuff, dude.

  59. Steve C says:

    UK Politics:
    An observant comment from James Delingpole, channeling Peter Hitchens: of course Boris will disappoint, there are no conservatives left in Britain. This is correct.

  60. E.M.Smith says:

    Saw a Sargon video where he reads from a list of facts in the scientific literature that you can not ssy… The originsl Library Of Hate looks to be gone, but there is an archive of it…


    Fascinating that you can not read reviewed journal findings without banishment…

  61. jim2 says:

    Just days after news of the infamous Trump Tower meeting drew the attention of Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation, the translator present told the FBI there was no talk of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin, according to recently released documents.
    Anatoli Samochornov, translator, quoted in FBI memo: “There was no discussion of the 2016 United States presidential election or Collusion between the Russian government and the Trump campaign.”
    LinkedIn via CBS News

    This exculpatory evidence – which backed accounts of Donald Trump Jr. and other campaign officials in attendance – was not mentioned in Special Counsel Mueller’s final report two years later. And the silence in the interim occurred as sinister theorizing on cable TV and in the press helped shape a public impression of the June 9, 2016 meeting as central to collusion.


  62. H.R. says:

    This is a bit too light-hearted to post on a virus discussion thread so I’m putting it here. Fun stuff.

    President Trump hasn’t been getting the best advice on attacking the WuFlu, but he keeps after it. One thing he does is follow up to see if what was decided is being done *and* if it’s working.

    He’s a Peshwa Warrior.

  63. Steve C says:

    Remarkable how one tiny virus has impacted the W.O.O.D. thread – over a fortnight now and still under 100 comments. Okay, it’s taking up a fair bit of my bio-CPU time too, but I’m trying to think “normal” at least some of the time. So:

    (1) @E.M. 14th 07:01 – Wow, that’s quite a list! – it’s looking like a 47-page PDF at the moment, or maybe 48 when I’ve taken care of the widows and orphans. At a guess, I’d come across about 1/3 of them, so, yes, wow. Shall RMLAID. (And, in the same spirit, I’d want to add that there are no socialists around either, nor liberals, nor … . Whatever they call themselves, they’re all, give or take the very odd exception, committed globalist drones to whom we are all just the working fluid in their life support system. As we used to say, “It makes no difference who you vote for, the government always gets in.”)

    (2) Also … in your travels through the world of SBCs, have you encountered the Teensy, which came to my attention recently and has been described as an “Arduino on steroids”? Basically a microcontroller unit rather than a fully-blown ‘puter, but so outrageously Teensy that you can get ’em with DIP header pins, as a 0.6″ pitch “chip” you can plug into a standard breadboard! From 16MHz AVR to (!) 600MHz Cortex core, all costing relative pennies. You may like to pass a little lockdown time appreciating the work of Charlie Morris, ZL2CTM, who is developing an SDR radio using one – his own site is https://zl2ctm.blogspot.com/ , and there are youtubes, commentaries from other experimenters, etc. around the net, follow the callsign. It’s fantastic seeing people doing stuff like this when I learned the art myself by wiring firebottles together 50+ years ago – all in one human lifetime.

  64. E.M.Smith says:

    @Steve C:

    I usually wait to over 200 comments when load times become long on my SBC to start a new WOOD, but I think I need a new one as this one rolls off the top page.

    The most expensive Teensy:

    Is only 180 Mhz and I’m not seeing a 600 Mz one.

    At $30, I can get a huge increase in computes from a Pi board….

    The only real feature I see is dinky size. Were I making robots that would matter, but I’m not. Interesting device, but not for my uses.

  65. Steve C says:

    @E.M. – Ah, but the latest and greatest isn’t the most expensive one! That’s the Teensy 4 (at a crazy $20) which knocks spots off the 3.6 180MHz (and more expensive ?!) one:
    Cool (literally!). Still, we’re all aware of ’em now.

  66. Another Ian says:


    For a foreign currency roller coaster check the $A.
    From $A1 = $US 0.61 to $US 0..56 in a day

  67. philjourdan says:

    Item: The market is way over sold. So someone is goosing the computer programs. Anyone want to bet it is Soros?

    He is deathly afraid of 11.3.2020. That is the day his freedom is forfeit.

  68. Compu Gator says:

    David A [said] 21 March 2020 at 12:36 pm [GMT] [*]:
    Gosh I wish for an edit feature in WP.

    Indeed, “know thinking person” could fail to recognize the need for it. Isn’t it rather long overdue?

    The PHP programming-language, in which WordPress is written, has a community that prides itself on open-source software. Isn’t W.P. a strong #1 in blogging software? What the [expletive] is the problem with delivering this basic & way-overdue enhancement? Is W.P. somehow bound by an exceptional proprietary contract, without follow-on features, to obtain somebody’s code for blog-style display? And was the delivered code an opaque hack-job that only fearless or foolish programmers ever tried to modify, with resulting bugs that motivated W.P. management eventually to place that code off limits? I see that WordPress is currently advertising for programmers expert in PHP (I encounter their W.P.-sidebar ads from time to time).

    Hey-yell, much older PHP blog-&-comment packages, dating back at least to the 1st decade of the 21st Century, some of them now orphaned, have “preview” or “edit” features, dating back to when the category was called bulletin-board systems (BBS). I’m also a user elsewhere of a BBS that changed from its original BBS (equipped with “preview” or “edit” features for both its native mark-up and for a WYSIWYG editor) to the more-up-to-date corresponding SimpleMachines software (also equipped with “preview” or “edit”, albeit not after posting). Someone “out there” has probably already grafted one of those compose-&-edit editor modules onto W.P., unless really nauseating code devoid of code-hooks is involved [#].

    Being retired means never again having to endure being assigned to modify or enhance wretched hack code (and in the worst case, being forbidden from cleaning it up, so as to retain compatibility with an outside vendor’s next delivery of hack code).

    Note *: I assumed that E.M. would want this discussion removed from the CoV-19 thread in which it originally appeared: https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/03/20/20-march-2020-covid-19-usa-16000-cases-italy-4000-dead/#comment-126960.

    Note #: Way back when Ward Cunningham invented wikis with his “WikiWikiWeb” program (in the similar language PERL), he or the programmers who coded straightforward extensions on top of his work, made it easily configurable, not only for choosing the paired characters for their HTML-like mark-up (e.g., ‘<’ & ‘>’ vs. ‘[’ & ‘]’, but also for controlling which HTML tags and properties were allowed.

  69. Another Ian says:

    Re Compu Gator says:
    21 March 2020 at 6:36 pm

    Just pointing out that the version of WP used at Small Dead Animals allows editing for a short time after posting

  70. philjourdan says:

    Rest in Peace Kenny Rogers. You gave me a lot of good memories.

  71. E.M.Smith says:

    There are three major steps or product level of Wordpres.

    1) Free. What I have. Limited functions. Take it or leave it

    2) Paid on their servers. You get added features off their standard menu.

    3) Roll your own server using their software. A paid plan where you own the hardware and can modify it, and the software.

    As I make essentially zero off of blogging, I can’t justify spending on a hobby at that level. Complaints about lack of an editing feature, if accompanied by a fat monthly paycheck, enough to fund 2 years at that level, will be welcome. Otherwise, enjoy what you get for free and drop the subject.

  72. Another Ian says:

    Re E.M.Smith says:
    22 March 2020 at 1:10 am

    The rationale for Small Dead Animals is:-

    ” Why this blog?

    Until this moment I have been forced to listen while media and politicians alike have told me “what Canadians think”. In all that time they never once asked.

    This is just the voice of an ordinary Canadian yelling back at the radio – “You don’t speak for me.” ”

    And wouldn’t seem that she gets enough traffic to be using anything flash and expensive from WordPress.

    But somehow the site has limited editing. Maybe in a spare moment “round tuit” time for a “dig here” or an “ask there”?

    I also notice some WP sites have sign in as email first, name second and others are the opposite. Is that a clue to what grade of WP?

    Yours and Conservative Tree House are examples of the first, SDA and Jo Nova of the second (Jo does not have any editing)

  73. jim2 says:

    If you want to edit your posts, write them in a Word-like editor. If you don’t have one, LibreOffice is free. Let it sit on the page for a couple of minutes, then re-read it, edit it, whatever. It’s not like you aren’t a grown-up.

  74. Compu Gator says:

    E.M.Smith [said] 22 March 2020 at 1:10 am [GMT]:
    As I make essentially zero off of blogging, I can’t justify spending on a hobby at that level. [….] enjoy what you get for free and drop the subject.

    Hmmm. I’ll accept that as your final offer.

    I’m actually quite sympathetic. I operate a Web site for a small church, an effort that provides zero income. It’s focused on its schedule of services, and does not provide for any interaction from visitors. So I’ve refused the recent “HTTPS-Everywhere” shakedown for a shared-hosting security certificate that would enable HTTPS, but at a not-quite-doubled annual cost.

  75. Compu Gator says:

    H.R. [said] 22 March 2020 at 4:02 am [GMT] [*]:
    California’s population is spread out. There isn’t much high-rise living because of quakes. The area of the greater L.A. metropolitan area is huge compared to New York metro. sprawl doesn’t even begin to describe it.

    Earthquakes have little to do with presence or absence of high-rise living in California. The reason is the historically low cost of land out there; it was so cheap within living memory, that there was no need for architects & construction companies to incur the costs of building up.

    World War II is a key to the modern history of California. Before the War, the state was mostly agricultural. The modern “Silicon Valley” was instead “the Valley of Heart’s Delight”, mostly arboricultural, with fruit canneries [@] sprawled across the Valley floor. Monterey was still a busy fishing port, with seafood canneries lining the waterfront, altho’ populist histories seem to overlook the developments near-by that favored luring the wealthy to become coastal residents [×].

    Once the War entangled the U.S.A., newly inducted soldiers and sailors were sent by rail to California ports, notably San Francisco (and presumably Oakland, Long Beach, and San Diego) for the Pacific Theater. Women worked in the shipyards (e.g., Hunter’s Pt., S.F., and Long Beach) and weapons factories concentrated near L.A. and San Diego (e.g., Lockheed and Consolidated Aircraft/Convair), altho’ their regions were still mostly agricultural.

    When those U.S. servicemen got their separation papers several years later, and were shipped back to California, they were faced with looking for work during demobilization–at least a partial bust–of the war economy. The G.I. Bill absorbed many of them for a few years, providing free college; some returned to interrupted studies, others were the 1st in their families to set foot in a college classroom. Many of them, having seen Cal-eee-for-niii-ay, had no desire to return to the states now disparaged as “fly-over country”, and the G.I. Bill also provided great deals to exservicemen eager to buy a home. All that was required was for the real-estate lobby to arrange to plow under agricultural and arboricultural land and get it zoned residential. What’s that? A blight or tenacious pest pounced on your grove, orchard, or vineyard, and if you replant, it’ll be years before production and your income resumes? How else could you possibly generate income sooner from your land in California [@@], Hmmm? So the state began to experience a decades-long boom in population.

    Once the exservicemen found jobs, their surplus income fuelled dramatic increases in automobile manufacturing. Back then, state and federal taxes didn’t take the big bites that they do nowadays, but the State of California began to enjoy surpluses in tax income, allowing it to build an extensive system of state freeways for all those new cars. So nonagricultural workers no longer needed to live near their workplaces, and workplaces no longer needed to be in in centralized cities. This enabled the rise of the “California Lifestyle“, its appeal little diminished by notorious smog, traffic jams on freeways, and the widespread dependence on the winter snowpack for water, with the resulting threat of water shortages.

    The exception is San Francisco. Surrounded by water on 3 sides, and blocked by the San Mateo Co. border on its south, S.F. can never expand beyond approx 5 mi. × 7 mi. Providing one of the world’s best natural harbors, it became an international center of trade in colonial days [♢]. So for people who wanted in on that action, up eventually became a very important way to build, even at the risk of foundations in landfill on top of the decaying hulls of sailing ships (but there’s gotta be bedrock somewhere below). The sprawling City of San José, “the Capital of Silicon Valley”, finally surpassed S.F. in population in the 1980s or 1990s.

    I can’t claim authority for my posting by virtue of being a California native (i.e., I’m not one). Altho’ I wrote “out there” (far above), I was an observant resident of SIlicon Valley for more than a dozen years, including the 1989 “World Series Quake“.

    Note *: <https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/03/20/20-march-2020-covid-19-usa-16000-cases-italy-4000-dead/#comment-127009&gt;.

    Note ×: Monterey is not especially relevant to the issue at hand, so I must struggle to omit details of its history with which I’m especially familiar.

    Note @: Del Monte, perhaps also Dole, and others perhaps now known only to county-history museums. The main surface-street in Monterey is named Del Monte, not a mere coïncidence. Pruneridge is a major E.–W. road in Silicon Valley, altho’ I question whether the Valley floor has identifiable “ridges” much S.E. of Mtn. View.

    Note @@: I’ve seen this process attain completion within my own lfetime, albeit in Central Florida, where increasingly common freezes (ahem!) exhausted the resilience of citrus-grove owners, who then became real-estate developers. Now it’s not only the U.S. highway named Orange Blossom Trail which no longer has orange groves, but also all of Orange County.

    Note ♢: International trade including between the Russian-American Company outpost at (Ft.) Ross, and the Spanish presidio at Yerba Buena (S.F.), and probably also the clergy at Mission Dolores (also S.F.). The “Spanish” Empire was, um, quite ineffective in maintaining its outposts on the Pacific, including delivery of supplies and even its soldiers’ payrolls. See, later, the Bear Flag Revolt, by mostly United Statesian ranchers and infiltrators (not unlike the history of Tejas).

  76. Another Ian says:

    Something else


    “Temperature.Global calculates the current global temperature of the Earth. It uses unadjusted surface temperatures. The current temperature is the 12M average mean surface temperature over the last 12 months compared against the 30 year mean. New observations are entered each minute and the site is updated accordingly. This site was created by professional meteorologists and climatologists with over 25 years experience in surface weather observations. ”


    has link

  77. H.R. says:

    I was shocked to read this article. It’s a throwback to the days of good reporting. The reporter will not be getting a job at ABCNNBCBS.

    It’s about a Kentucky girl who went missing 10 years ago and her remains have just been found. This is how the news should be covered. Instead, we get propaganda.


  78. YMMV says:

    Isn’t history fascinating. According Wikipedia (1968_Democratic_National_Convention),
    the Democrats nominated someone who did not compete in any primaries. Somehow he “inherited” the delegates for Johnson, who dropped out of the race.

    “In the end, the Democratic Party nominated Humphrey. Even though 80 percent of the primary voters (in those states which held primaries) had been for anti-war candidates, the delegates had defeated the peace plank by 1,567¾ to 1,041¼.[11] The loss was perceived to be the result of President Johnson and Chicago Mayor Richard Daley influencing behind the scenes.[11] Humphrey, who had not entered any of 13 state primary elections, won the Democratic nomination, and went on to lose the election to the Republican Richard Nixon.[12]”

    Democrat/Chicago/Daley/Corrupt/… from before the Civil War to today, the beat goes on…

  79. H.R. says:

    We discussed here that early humans, the their spread around the globe, and that archeologists are likely getting it wrong because most of the evidence of just how sophisticated and widespread early peoples were is under water. They are too busy digging on land.

    This is a “gee whiz” article about Neanderthals that, to me, indicates anthropologists have it exactly backwards. It’s not in the least bit “gee whiz” to me.

    They have discovered that Neanderthals weren’t just big game hunters, but also got food from the sea; fish, clams, seals, seabirds, and perhaps dolphins.

    Here’s one of the articles reporting on the finding. There are other YSM and PC media outlets covering the story that I didn’t want to get any clicks.


    Based on our discussions over the years here, I think that Neanderthals first lived around, and then spread inland, from the coasts. The bold amongst them moved inland, following rivers I suppose, and learned to hunt mammoths and other big game. Just bass ackwards of the current narrative of big game hunters.

    I think that the reason we don’t find a lot of Neanderthal sites is because most of them are under water now. Sites along rivers have likely been washed away by the melt of the last glaciation, leaving the high standing caves as the only repositories of Neanderthal remains.

  80. E.M.Smith says:


    Also, everything north of mid-France got scraped off by glaciers. Neanderthal lived through 2 or 3 glacisl cycles, but the northern expansion histories were abraded away. Then in the last one, about 40,000 yr ago, a volcano in Italy blanketed most of their European and west Asian range with ash. The survivors mixed with “moderns” moving in later and created the European race, and mixed with some Denisovan to create the Asian race.

    So their history is either gone, burned or buried under ash, or below the ocean / seas. Only some bits in Iberia and Southern France avoiding the ash and volcano. And perhaps some in central Asia, the eventual origin point of the blond and redhead hybrids that brought agriculture and cattle herding into Europe about 30kyr later.

  81. Another Ian says:

    Underneath the corona virus headlines!

    “Rank and Vile – DOJ Inspector General Identifies 93 Percent Non-Compliance Within FISA Review – Issues So Bad IG Presents Interim Report Before Reviewing Details…”


  82. H.R. says:

    Sunnuva gun! Today is April Fool’s Day and… I got nuttin’.

    Haven’t seen any April Foolishness all day. Happened to look at the time/date in the corner of the computer screen and realized it was supposed to be a day of mirth, mayhem, and practical jokes.

    It seems the whole nation is not in the mood.

  83. E.M.Smith says:

    I know I’m not…

  84. E.M.Smith says:

    Looks like Trump is putting the Navy to work stopping drug traffic.

  85. philjourdan says:

    Happy birthday Sally. One of my Cats.

  86. H.R. says:

    This is a little too flippant for the regular virus thread.

    My neighbor drove by while I was out at the mailbox, slowed and asked how it was going. I told him I was doing fine and was going to get a t-shirt that said “I survived the Corona Virus of 2020.”

    He laughed about that and said, “Take care, brother. See ya around.” and went down the street to his house.

    So I’m walking up the driveway back to the house and thinking maybe I’ll get one of those t-shirts for grins ‘n giggles… if I do survive :o)

    By the time I hit the door to the house, it struck me: How stupid is that?!? Innit obvious I survived since I am standing right there? Had to laugh at myself and all those “I survived the… whatever..” t-shirts I’ve ever seen.

    Next time I see one I’ll say, “Naw, really? You’re puttin’ me on, aren’t you.”

  87. Phil Jourdan says:

    Capitalism at its worst – https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-italy-coronavirus-supplies-buy-back

    And that is the dream of the democrats.

  88. beththeserf says:

    Breitbart News latest: ‘George Soros funded group pushes nation drop -boxes for voting,’

    In my research on Soros for serf blog post I learned that Soros is moving away from pressing for speech regulation financing and into the electoral process. One of his main funding channels is the so called Brennan Centre for Justice. I came acrossthis link… (4 pages.)

  89. beththeserf says:

    Here’s the Breitbart article…Brennan Centre urging a universal ‘vote by mail’ system . Corona Virus their opportunity to undermine the electoral system.

  90. philjourdan says:

    Joe Biden could not catch a break if it sat up and begged! http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/04/06/andrew-cuomo-and-joe-biden-tied-in-national-poll-of-democrat-likely-voters/

    As fast as they ganged up to defeat Bernie, they are dumping Biden.

  91. Another Ian says:





    “Howell Woltz

    The International Centre for Justice

    Warsaw, Poland”

    “The Richardson Post” is what became of “The Pickering Post” when Larry died and some of his clan wanted all reference to him removed

  92. Another Ian says:

    Biter bit!

    “Virus-Panicked Liberal Gun Buyers Are Getting Angry When They Discover Their Own Gun Control Laws”


    Via SDA

  93. Another Ian says:

    Bloody hell!

    If this was normal park it ought to put a scatter in the pigeons!

    “When The FBI Does It, That Means That It’s Not Illegal”


  94. Another Ian says:

    Gawd! More on that!

    “Footnote Declassification Highlights Ongoing DOJ Cover-Up Operations…”


  95. Another Ian says:

    “Dr. Fauci Now Says Coronavirus Models Did Not Drive National Health Policy…”


  96. H.R. says:

    Is anyone paying attention to the Impossible Burger and Beyond meat attempts to capture some of the carnivore market?

    When I first heard about Burger King’s Impossible Whopper I also read that Al Gore and Bill gates were heavily invested. I just got back from a search, and I did find that Bill Gates is invested in BOTH companies. I didn’t run across any references to the Sex-crazed-Poodle-Former-VP, though.

    Anyhow, Burger King reported in January of 2020 that Impossible Burger sales were slowing and at many franchises, sales were down 30%-40%. The Impossible Burger was put on the 2 for 6$ menu, but that still has not been a big boost to sales. People tried it, then said, “Okay. Now give me a Whopper.”

    I saw a big rollout and push for packaged Impossible Burger (“Use it just like regular hamburger”) in my local Kroger just before we left for Florida. I just realized that I haven’t seen any since our return in March, other than some bricks of the stuff in the frozen food clearance section in Early March. I suppose they still have a small bit of the stuff they will stock regularly. It’s probably 9″ or so of shelf space in the meat section and I just haven’t seen it.

    Or maybe it’s now over in the vegan/vegetarian case. It’s a refrigerated case; what’s standard, 48″ wide and 5-6 shelves high? Anyhow, that’s all the valuable shelf real estate they give to veggie products along with 1 door of a 2-door freezer case dedicated to vegan/vegetarian products. Those are maybe 30″ wide and 6 shelves high?
    I’m asking what others know because I know when I’m being guilted into giving up meat for some SJW/Save the Planet Sustainability nonsense reason, all the while the cynical fat cats who care naught about SJ or Saving The Planet and live totally unsustainable lives are the drivers behind this to get gullible sheeple to buy their products and line their pockets.

    I refuse to participate.

    Now, IIRC, 7th Day Adventists are vegetarians and I know there are a couple of vegetarian frozen food companies started years ago and owned by 7th Day Adventists who just wanted their church members to have a source of compliant products. These companies got a boost from the Save The Planet types that went veggie, but on the whole, these couple of 7th Day companies were just producing for their adherents. They have been riding the “Sustainability” wave now and have expanded quite a bit, but that was a lucky break. I believe Morning Star Farms was one of those 7th Day Adventist-owned companies. They’d still produce for the church members even if the sustainability market crashed tomorrow.

    Anyhow, Morning Star Farms were one of the early makers of black bean burgers, which both my wife and I like very much. I have been buying them for years here and there as an occasional change of taste. They are good!

    I know some of us give vegans and vegetarians a lot of grief here, particularly if their beliefs are SJW or Save The Planet or some other buzzword driven, but most of us are big veggie eaters – witness all the gardening, preserving, and preparation talk here – and really don’t care what others do, just that others are doing it because they like being veggie or vegan.

    The Cynical Evil Bastards (CEBs), such as an Al Gore or Bill Gates, garner my contempt because they have the money to set up the hobgoblins which are then used to scare our dumbed down kids (gee thanks, Public Education) into buying what they own and are selling.

    I like to burst the bubbles of those who go vegan or veggie because “it’s sustainable and will Save The Planet and no dolphins were killed to produce this lettuce and this burger doesn’make my butt look fat… does it?” What about all that marginal land that’s otherwise useless for food production except for grazing, producing high quality protein out of essentially wasteland? Now that’s sustainability. All others that just Like veggies and just prefer being vegetarian get a pass from me.

    I’ve gone veggie for a few months a couple of times by choice because I like veggies… okay, and money was tight while I was out of work so meat was not on the menu (true confessions [grin])


    The end game of all that rambling above is that I would be pleased to see the CEBs take a loss on their plant-based “meat” products they are pushing via guilt as somehow more sustainable than meat. I’m going to keep an eye out to see if these meatless-meat ventures tank with consumers as a whole.

    I confess I do like a little hit off the schadenfreude bong every now and then, particularly if Al Gore is involved.

  97. cdquarles says:

    As a proud omnivore, I like my veggies, too; but they should be *veggies* and not some expensive imitation, instead of herbivore converted to animal meat.

  98. E.M.Smith says:


    The 7th Day Adventists encourage vegetarian, but do not require it, so onky about half are vegetarians. This has been useful in a lot of medical studies as often you can get a control matched population down to the family.

    About 1/2 my family is vegetarian and I’ve tried it, but not impressed. The pseudo-burgers will be a benefit to vegans. But I’m not going to try one. Why is both simple and complex.

    Simple: They can never match a real burger in taste, nor supply the nutrients not found in plants.


    Gates is involved. Not a thing I’ve ever seen him do was not tainted with malevolent overtones.

    Yes, Kerry and other untrustworthy folks too.

    Meat is good. Good for people to eat and taste. Cattle on range improve the land.

    There are many nutrients difficult to get in a vegan diet without careful thought. Moving people to vegan without that knowledge is damaging. B12, omega-3, iron, zinc (plants chelate metals) and more. Yes, you CAN get them from plants, but only with care and thinking.

    We made a contract with farm animals thousands of years ago: We assure your species survives, and lives a comfortable life, some of you will die for the service. Violating that contract now and handing them extinction is immoral.

    If I want a non-meat burger, the mushroom burger is wonderful. Making Faux Meat is a stupid way to do vegetarian. Embrace the reality and find the true beauty in it. In the long run it removes reminders of what you can not have while letting you find the better things you can. Mushrooms and onions sauteed in olive oil on a bun? Glorious! (Though better with melted cheese on top ;-)

    I don’t like eating industrial chemical stew. We already have too much of that. The process and materials of these fake meats are not planet friendly and include a lot of industrial steps.

    Why pay 2x as much for an inferior product? (Same issue as Micro$oft products).

    There’s more, but really: these fake products bring no value added and have inferior qualities.

  99. Ossqss says:

    I read a study a few months back comparing the environmental impact of Vegans vs. Omnivors. Sounds like a WWE cage match. IIRC, from an environmental stand point the Vegans required much more acreage to sustain their existance vs all others. Hence, they are much more distructive/disruptive to the environment/ecosystem in total. Kinda like wind and solar power’s impact on the ecosystems where they are placed.

  100. H.R. says:

    @E.M. – Yeah, we’re pretty much on the same page.

    Long-timers here are well aware of the vegetarians and – you do still have a vegan or two, yes? – in your family. When you post on your holiday meals, it’s always interesting to see how you’ll juggle the food requirements on any particular holiday.

    And yes, insults at vegans/vegetarians here are asking for trouble, and particularly if they are thrown at the ones in your family, then BIG trouble.

    I thought I was pretty clear that I have no problem with vegans/veggies, but like to throw wake-up bombs (see Ossqss, just above) wherever I can, and do consider them sheeple if they have been herded into that position without thinking. If it’s their choice because they like it, then good on them.

    I’m totally unsparing on CEBs behind the scenes promoting either vegan/veggie for their own gain or other power and control agendas. I also have zero tolerance for the minions that act as influencers, cynically knowing or unwittingly, to herd the sheeple off the vegan/veggie cliff. e.g. teachers and professors who are uncritically passing on propaganda to kids who naively believe the teachers and professors know what they are talking about. Sometimes they do and tell the porkies anyway. A double-damning on them.
    @Ossqss – I remember that article, too. I think it was over at WUWT fairly recently. That topic pops up there now and then is always in relation to Sustainability, CO2 Reduction to Stop Climate Change, and Saving the Planet nonsense.

    That article and comment thread is a good ‘Truth Bomb’ to throw at brainwashed or easily peer-pressured emotion driven sheeple who uncritically just believe that “something that grows in the ground has to be better than something that moos, poops, and belches, and besides, they look at you with those big brown eyes so we shouldn’t slaughter and eat them.”

    The facts that World Veganism actually is unsustainable and that grazing is sometimes the only use for some land and is a great way to produce high quality protein on land that otherwise would produce nothing were the takeaways that really stuck with me.

  101. E.M.Smith says:

    Grazing marginal land also fertilizes it, breaks up surface hardpan, and eventually converts it to good land. Most “modern” farming mines the soil into inert “media” that needs the equal of hydroponic fertilizer to continue production at high levels.

    Cattle improved the land. The great prairie soil existed because of thousands of years of buffalo grazing.

    @H.R.: Any preaching on my part was aimed at general audience / new readers, not you.

    I have a love / hate relationship with vegan. I love that the tech of it lets me live on wholly unsuited otherwise sources. Teaching me what I really need. I hate that it is so restrictive that most practitioners are damaging themselves. Ovo-lacto vegetarian, or pescitarian are MUCH easier and MUCH safer. Omega-3 being a biggie. Flax seeds / oil or not much else… you need some strange tasting Japanese fermented soy stuff, and / or other equally uncommon things.

    Preparing such meals has made me a better cook / nutritionist; BUT also made me aware most vegans are malnourished / doing it wrong and just tossing in some grass fed dairy, eggs, or fish fixes it. Not a hypothetical, a vegan neighbor had health problems and the Doctor told her to eat fish to fix them… and it did.

  102. H.R. says:

    Oh, no, E.M. not taken as aimed at me at all. And your most recent words weren’t particularly preachy.

    If anyone has read here over the years, and at least through one holiday, they know exactly how you roll.

    It’s nice of you to give newer readers a heads-up before they step it, and the topic was conveniently teed up. It does follow your general rule anyhow; attack the argument, not the man.
    I did not know that veggie was optional with 7th Day Adventists, though 50% is a pretty high voluntary rate. I obviously was under the impression that it was standard practice for all members.

    I used to have a rough idea of the details of what 7th Day Adventists teachings were all about, but probably forgot the last of what I knew a couple of decades ago. It wasn’t affecting me. I didn’t care about it anyhow. I didn’t see any future use for the knowledge unless I would happen to appear as a contestant on Jeopardy. Out the mental window it went, then.

  103. E.M.Smith says:

    We had a 7th Day colony near my home town, so got to know everybody’s “diet rules” in our restaurant. So offer vegetarian meals for the 7th Day folks but mention the meat daily specials too. Don’t offer bacon & eggs to the Jewish folks, but do ask if they would like a pan fried steak (I.e. code for not on the grill with the pork chops & bacon, maybe not kosher but close). Offer 7Up to the Mormons and just ask “the usual?” of the Jack Mormon who wants real coffee not decaf, but doesn’t want the friends he is with to know… have fish special on Friday for the Catholics (mandatory back then, optional now) and on it goes…

    Pretty good education for a kid.

  104. H.R. says:

    Ah, yes. I forgot the restaurant also exposed you to a lot of good ol’ American Melting Pot cultural differences, and at a young age where the impressions are sharp and easily obtained. It’s like learning like a language of a different sort. We didn’t have any 7th Day Adventists, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, or Jews in our school district.

    We had Lutherans, Catholics, Baptists, Presbyterians, and Evangelical Fundamentalists in our family as well as the school district. No Methodists in the family. I don’t know how we slipped by them ;o)
    Our family Dr. was Jewish (and made house calls!) and had just barely escaped the Nazis, and then squeaked into the U.S. before Jews were being turned away. He was the only Jew we knew.

    He was not Orthodox; Reformed and largely Kosher – no yarmulke, no pork, and passed on meat + dairy dishes, e.g. – and he liked to chat a bit with us kids about Jewish secular history, since we kids knew Biblical Jewish history, and why some of the things he did were different. So we learned a lot about Jews, at least from his perspective.

    Funniest thing! We’d been seeing him for a few years and one year at Christmas, he had the very first aluminum Christmas Tree I had ever seen set up in his waiting room. That was the early, very shiny one with obvious wire limbs and a white spot light behind a 4-color revolving disc that made the tree change colors and glisten It was around ’62 or ’63. How strange was that?!

    It turns out he didn’t care because it didn’t mean anything to him and his patients were largely Christian, so he did it for us. And he was just fascinated by the gee-whiz factor of those first trees. It also relieved him of the burden of buying and storing Christmas decorations. It was a couple of years before I ever saw another one of those trees in home somewhere.

    He posted patients’ Christmas cards to him in the waiting room and sent his patients Hanukah cards. He would have a Menorah on the mantle for Hanukah and explained it to anyone unfamiliar that asked about it. That kind of tells you where he was on the Observant scale.

  105. H.R. says:

    Hey! The Bing homepage image of the day is well worth visiting if you like

    1) Submarines
    2) Walter Mitty
    3) Cool, old school mechanical engineering and quality fabrication
    4) Great photography

    Click the link if you’re in anyone of those categories.

  106. H.R. says:

    Crap! 3rd time I’ve hit moderation this week. WordPress seems to be unusually cranky of late.

    Oh wait, I have a bad line on my form autocomplete. I’m missing the “om” at the end of my email addy which should read @emailxxxxx.com

    It’s apparently all been on me.

    Sorry to keep you dumpster diving E.M. I think I have it figured out.

  107. ossqss says:

    FWIW, I have had a few minutes to tune into some shows worth mentioning. One being “Mysteries of the Abandoned” on the science channel. Quite good for those looking for an alternative. Let alone Modern Marvels on the History channel :-)

  108. philjourdan says:

    Re: Veganism. Small disagreement. You cannot supplement some vitamins and minerals with knowledge of plant diets, you have to supplement them with artificial means. Man is not a herbivore. Man is an omnivore. As such, both plants and animals must be consumed in order to provide the necessary nutrients. Those wanting to deny this are called Neanderthal for a reason, They become extinct.

    And I agree, paying twice as much to create a taste you have sworn off is stupid.

  109. H.R. says:

    Here’s The Missing Link, so to speak from my vacationing comment.
    (Settle down all you paleontologists and anthropologists)


    It’s the Bing Home Page image of the day, so is good only today.

    I know the crowd here and I’m betting no-one will be disappointed

    (Old school engineering, tech, beautifully made American machinery, submarines. great photography)

  110. philjourdan says:

    @HR – I did not have a regular doctor until much later in my adult life. That is when I met a doctor at my church. But I could never get an appointment with him as he was very popular. So I wound up with his brother 25 years ago. I have followed him to different practices. He was the one based upon a hunch, that found my malignant kidney tumor.

    So I already knew his religion. But he is now a veggie. At least not a preachy one. He is the one that told me to lay off fatty red meat due to a digestion issue. But pushes me to fish and chicken. But since my wife hates food from water (seems any), I am stuck with a lot of chicken!

    With a rare bite of red meat. Trust me, it is worth the pain!

  111. H,R. says:

    Here’s the type of Christmas tree the Doc set up. It’s scraggly, shiny, and that’s the right type color wheel.

    Most people took the appearance of these as a sign that Christmas was going to hell in a handbasket.

  112. Another Ian says:

    Re E.M.Smith says:
    11 April 2020 at 3:41 pm

    IIRC Al Gore has a big finger in that too

  113. Another Ian says:

    A couple of Pointman’s starting at


    Check the “bog roll movie”

  114. H.R. says:

    Hey, Another Ian. How the heck did you get a picture of me on a Marmite hunt?

    (For now, it’s the top picture on the Pointman link)

  115. cdquarles says:

    I remember that kind of a tree. Granddad got one (63 or 64) because we nearly had a fire from the lights on a too-dry real tree. Imagine a string of lights on that aluminum tree with the color wheel going. :)

  116. cdquarles says:

    On the lighter side, a bit: https://yellowhammernews.com/only-the-middle-cross-remains-standing-at-alabama-church-after-sundays-severe-weather-he-lives/. April is the peak of the spring tornado season for us. Rough weather crossed into the state yesterday afternoon and evening from MS and rolled ENE to NE into GA and TN. As usual, I am far enough east in the central parts that the roughest weather tends to miss me, either northward or southward.

  117. Compu Gator says:

    E.M.Smith [replied] 11 April 2020 at 3:41 pm [GMT]:
    They can never match a real burger in taste, nor supply the nutrients not found in plants. [….] If I want a non-meat burger, the mushroom burger is wonderful. Making Faux Meat is a stupid way to do vegetarian. Embrace the reality and find the true beauty in it. [….] Mushrooms and onions sauteed in olive oil on a bun? Glorious!

    Of course, your “mushroom burgers” are made from sliced real mushrooms that are not otherwise “processed”. Hmmm. Maybe add garlic and slivered hot peppers to taste? I suppose that there are already recipes that form patties from diced mushrooms, diced onions, &c., but I assume that such concoctions almost certainly require food-grade binders to prevent crumbling before the patt(y|ie?) can be served. Egg and milk products must be rejected for a product focused on vegans, and sugars and starches likewise rejected for a product for diabetics. Surely corporate food-scientists will find something adequate.

    You did stir up a relevant memory from Isaac Asimov’s Foundation series [♢], set ca. 12_000 years into the future, in which the extremely built-up & domed-over galactic capital-planet Trantor used extensive areas of its lower levels to produce ersatz food (i.e., faux food, for readers who prefer Französisch). Mostly from yeast and algae, but also including fungus, all heavily processed into food more palatable, to meet the food requirements of the entire planet of 40 billion humans [#]. Wikipedia claims that the detail was developed in the prequel Prelude to Foundation (1989) [#], but I recall it being at least alluded to somewhere in the trilogy.

    Note #: “https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_Empire_(Isaac_Asimov)#Trantor”.

    Note ♢: I probably read Asimov’s trilogy in my college undergrad years, but maybe +/- a few years, while many contemporaries were finding reading excitement in Tolkien’s Ring trilogy+prequel.

  118. E.M.Smith says:

    Xanthan gum is used to replace egg as binder in vegan shortbreads.

    I like cheese as binder in the ‘shroom burger (as it cools it sets more) but without it, just hold things together with a frim grip on the bun…

    IIRC, a field expedient solution is cattail rush mashed root / stem innards.

  119. philjourdan says:

    @Compu Gator – I have the same recollection about the food processing on Trantor. And I read the entire pinwheel (how it comes back around to I, Robot). But I do not recall where it was either. It would have to be in either the prequels, or early in the first book because after that, they never got back to Trantor until the Mule.

  120. Compu Gator says:

    philjourdan [replied] 13 April 2020 at 9:37 pm [GMT]:
    And I read the entire pinwheel (how it comes back around to
    I, Robot).

    In his last years, my Dad had a saying about cable-t.v. programming that I’ve repeatedly quoted: “Alzheimers means that there are no reruns“.

    A sci-fi fan might do well to spend otherwise idle time during the CoV-19 crisis & quarantines by rereading Asimov’s Foundation trilogy (1951) [$] +prequels, and could certainly do a lot worse. Even tho’ I still remember the big revelation in Second Foundation. And the series still provides a personal challenge: Foundation and Earth has somehow eluded me after all this time. Why not do it? Hey-ell! People flocked to theaters to see the remake of Titanic, even tho’ everyone already knew how it ended.
    Note $: Each title then available as 75¢ or 95¢ paperbacks printed on acid-rich paper. I think I still have all of those, altho’ maybe they’re practically inaccessible in a box stored somewhere.

  121. philjourdan says:

    I am afraid there is just not enough of us! The Foundation/I, Robot series could do at least 10 seasons, but who would watch some clowns interpretation of the mastermind?

    I am glad that Isaac Asimov lived to complete the circle. At least his legacy will live on forever, There is a reason they are called the founders (Asimov, Clark, Heinlein). Herbert did not, but his son did a pretty good job. We will never know just how good.

  122. cdquarles says:

    I agree there. I didn’t read as much of Arthur C Clarke, but I have read all of Heinlein’s stuff I could get my hands on and much of Isaac Asimov’s, too.

  123. philjourdan says:

    @CD – sadly with age comes saturation. I have read all of the Founders [ Clarke, Asimov, and Heinlein. That is the problem with outliving them. I wish there was more.

    Clarke – Rendezvous with Rama, 2001
    Heinlein – Lazurus Long
    Asimov – Foundation and I, Robot

  124. H.R. says:

    Breaking News! After 3-1/2 years, Orange Man Still Bad. ;o)

    Also, an 80% chance snow is in our forecast for Friday. These April snows are usually heavy and wet and deep, and then gone in 1-2 days. This is one of the latest, though. If we get an April snow, it’s usually within the first week.

  125. Another Ian says:

    More climate doctoring

    “Climate Red Shift”


  126. Compu Gator says:

    Hey, E.M.! Is it about time to create a new “W.O.O.D.“? The length of text in this latest, dated “27 February”, now reminds me of Yogi Berra’s [♢] remark about a N.Y. restaurant: “Nobody goes there anymore: It’s too crowded.”

    I know you give that a “no biggie” priority, but if you need an occasion or excuse, Ramadan just began (23 April–23 May). That’s today as reckoned in your GMT time-stamp. May Allah be praised if you have no Muslim relatives, so that I need not stifle myself about that “religion of peace” in this blog.

    Note ♢: Berra was a long-time Major League Baseball player (catcher?) for the N.Y. Yankees, and was known for his malapropisms.

  127. E.M.Smith says:

    I know. It has been on my “need to do it” list for a while. But I’ve not found the time to catch up the “other news” enough to write the summary. I did boot up the main computer that I use for that 4 days ago… it is still running… (I use the tablet for small posts & comments despite it being painfully slow to type and with massive letters in error from crummy touch sensing).

    OTOH, I did get my hydroponics cleaned and restarted (lettuce, beans, celery, green onions,…) and basic garden pots going (potatoes, peas, squash, more beans, Lutz perpetual leaf beet, other beets, radishes,…) I’ve even eaten my first baby radish. So I’ll have fresh food without the grocery store “soon”.

    Still need to turn over the garden squares and plant them, but that’s next week when the starter pots are getting too small for the growing plants.

    So probably tonight… maybe…

  128. E.M.Smith says:

    Oh, and per Islam:

    One can speak truth without issue, but stated as facts not as insult or slur. All degree of insult judged by me, nobody else. So, for example, a bit of art depicting Muhammad is, IMHO, not insulting, despite what a Muslim might feel.

    Saying Muslims are, by western standards, pedophiles, is a truth. They allow marriage to girls, even without their consent, at ages that are illegal/ immoral in The West.

    Saying Muslims wish to convert The West to Islam, by force or subterfuge, is also true, they have said so.

    Saying Muslims are stupid smelly camel lovers would get you on moderation as it is non-true insult to the people. Many are smart, and they prize being clean. As for camels, I’m sure it is a personal preference, not a group characteristic.

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