Deliberate Nursing Home Infection – Italy, New York, Dem. States

It looks like all the extreme hot spots with high death rates in the aged were places that had government edicts to send Chinese Wuhan Covid patients to nursing homes full of old people. Doing exactly the wrong thing.

The following video goes into that. The only complaint I have is his assertion that masks don’t work and are not needed. That there is no “scientific” evidence for masks. There’s plenty of evidence for them working to drop R0 to the point where the epidemic drops off in places like South Korea, Taiwan and other countries. The mask is not to stop you getting sick, it is to stop you from making others sick. If it happens to help prevent you getting sick, that is just an added benefit.

What works is to have the working age population put on a mask and get back to work. We have existence proofs that this is sufficient. What is “exactly wrong” is to send infected patients into nursing homes full of elderly high risk people.

So was this just stupidity, or is it the usual Socialist Urge to create a “Crisis” to exploit (and kill off the available “useless eaters” in the process if possible)? It seems to be “what they do”. Regularly, and reliably.

We know children (especially if playing outdoors so they have good vitamin D levels) are at near zero risk of death and very low risk of actual illness. Children ought to be in school and playing. Get it NOW and never again. We know that those under 60 years old tend to moderate symptoms with only a few deaths. We know that proper vitamin status and zinc supplementation reduces severity and risk (as zinc is an anti-viral and disrupts virus replication). We ought to have everyone under 60 back at work wearing a mask if desired AND being advised to get some sun, take a multivitamin pill with added vitamin D, C, E, and zinc. Then, any who develop symptoms can get a dose of the zinc iononphore du jour (be it quercetin, quinine, chloroquin, hydroxychloroquin, or something else) and if that’s not enough, proceed to stronger therapies as their symptoms worsen (such as the ivermectin / doxycycline mix shown to work in Bangaladesh)

Updated: May 19, 2020 04:59 IST
By Press Trust of India | Posted by Niyati Singh , Dhaka

A Bangladeshi medical team led by a senior doctor has claimed that their research on the combination of two widely used drugs has yielded “astounding” results in curing the patients with acute symptoms of the coronavirus that has created havoc worldwide and claimed the lives of over 312,000 people globally.

The claim by the Bangladeshi medical team, which includes prominent physicians from the country, comes amidst the desperate global attempts for a remedy to the deadly coronavirus.

“We have got astounding results. Out of 60 Covid-19 patients, all recovered as the combination of the two drugs were applied,” said Professor Dr Md Tarek Alam, the head of medicine department at private Bangladesh Medical College Hospital (BMCH).

Alam, a reputed clinician in Bangladesh, said a frequently used antiprotozoal medicine called Ivermectin in a single dose with Doxycycline, an antibiotic, yielded virtually the near-miraculous result in curing the patients with Covid-19.

“My team was prescribing the two medicines only for coronavirus patients, most of them initially reporting with respiratory problems with related complaints, later to be tested Covid-19 positive,” he said.

Bangladesh has so far reported 20,995 coronavirus cases. A total of 314 people have lost their lives in the country due to the disease.

Claiming that the efficacy of the drug developed by them was such that patients recovered from the virus within 4 days, he said, adding that there were no side effects of it.

“We first ask them to be tested for Covid-19 and when found coronavirus positive we apply the drugs . . . they are recovering within four days”.

So tell me again just WHY we need EVERYONE to stay in doors away from the sun, have their immune ability drop as their vitamin D level drops, and run out of money to buy food for proper nutrition further damaging their immunity?

A “lockdown” made sense when we had no clue what was going to happen, there were no treatments, and the visible evidence was for death rates of 10%+ BUT now we know a lot of folks have very mild / no symptoms so the IFR is closer to 1% (or less), mostly in folks with other problems and immune compromised, that Innate Immunity is key to stopping the disease and that innate immunity is compromised in folks with low Vit D & C & Zinc status (and easily fixed…), and we have existence proofs of several treatments that reduce severity or completely halt the disease (especially if given early with zinc). We also have existence proof that simply wearing a mask in areas with active community spread strongly curtails community spread AND we have evidence that staying in lockdown perpetually eventually has contamination get into the home and then those immune compromised folks in close contact spread it around in the home.

IMHO, it’s time to get out and get some sun!

FWIW: I’m practicing what I am preaching. I entered “lockdown” before the government called for it. I’m in a “high risk category” of folks old enough to be on Medicare and I’m a male. The spouse and I have been taking Vit C, D & E with a zinc supplement in my multivitamin. We’ve also been doing “sun time” of about 15 minutes to 1/2 hour near noon each day. About 4 weeks ago, we started doing regular shopping runs and other “normal” things. Visits to the chiropractor, hardware store, gardening shop, car repair shop, etc. I do wear a mask in stores. Realize I’m in the center of one of the hotter hot spots of the nation. A place where it started early and with Community Spread: Santa Clara County, California. All I can say is “so far so good”. But I can add that my risk would not be ANY higher in a small clothing store, barber shop, or sporting goods store than it is at Walmart, Home Depot, or my mechanic shop.

Let the 60-somethings work from home, and / or wear mask and gloves at work. If an N-95 protects a health care worker it can protect a grocery clerk or office worker. It takes about 2 minutes to be trained on how to use one. Also, as the virus dies in about 24 hours on paper (faster in heat and sun), I just leave mine on the dash of the car and next day it’s “good to go” (though I only need it every other day) so my draw on the N-95 supply has been zero after my initial buy at the start of this whole mess, months ago. (A few at the hardware store, before the industrial dust masks were approved for medical use).

At this point, we know all we need to know to get back to work safely, and to treat those who do fall ill sufficiently to mitigate the worst of it. At this point it just requires some PSAs (Public Service Announcements) to let folks know to up their Vitamin & Mineral levels, wear a mask if desired, and how to do it properly. In my experience here, about 90% of the population is already doing mask and gloves relatively properly.

Oh, and we need to get the Blue State Democrat Governors to stop making the “crisis” worse by doing stupid things like sending Wuhan Covid patients to elder care nursing homes, demanding folks stay indoors out of the sun depleting their Vitamin D levels, and banning the harvesting of Apples and other crops.

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48 Responses to Deliberate Nursing Home Infection – Italy, New York, Dem. States

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  2. Julian Jones says:

    Yup – here in UK too . My partner’s elderly grandfather, being nursed at home with advanced dementia; had one of his periodic chest infections, got critical (wrong antibiotic …). Ambulance called, when on arrival told us “He will go into a Covid ward automatically …”. He didn’t of course … still with us, now recovered and not another statistic.
    This medic exposes much, a very credible expert :

  3. cdquarles says:

    From my own experience, in the past, you did *not* send known infectious folk into a nursing home if you couldn’t isolate them sufficiently. True, ascribe to stupidity a decision before ascribing it to maliciousness; but there is a thing known as mendacity.

  4. AnnieM says:

    I love all of this except for one thing. We don’t know what level of immunity having COVID-19 will confer so it is incorrect to say that getting the virus once will give you immunity for life. There are other coronaviruses where the immunity is temporary, e.g. the common cold. If you get the common cold the immunity only lasts about 6 months. It is too soon to say what level of immunity people will have after getting COVID-19. This does NOT invalidate any of the rest of your excellent information.

  5. YMMV says:

    In hindsight we can see there a panic reaction everywhere, clearing out the hospitals (among other things).

    Initial estimates based on Chinese data assumed a very high 20% hospitalization rate, which led to the strategy of ‘flattening the curve’ to avoid overburdening hospitals. However, population-based antibody studies (see above) have since shown that actual hospitalization rates are close to 1%, which is within the range of hospitalization rates for influenza (1 to 2%).

    from Section 7.
    The link was mentioned on another thread, but it’s worth repeating.

  6. A C Osborn says:

    E M one of the best adverts for the use of Masks outside of Asia is Czechia, where they have used the home made variety with no major lockdown.
    They have the same size population as Sweden, their Cases/Million = 834 & Deaths/Million = 29 their deaths/cases = 3.54% and their Cases/Tests (infection rate) is 2.22%.
    The same data for Sweden is Cases/Million = 3315 & Deaths/Million = 396 their deaths/cases = 11.95% and their Cases/Tests (infection rate) is 15.94%.

  7. Bill In Oz says:

    Thanks E M. Clarity is emerging from the fog of ignorance and mis-information.

  8. Bill In Oz says:

    By the way the quarantine and lockdown has been effective here in South Australia. No new infections in 16 days.Only one new infection in the past month.

    Gradually life is going back to normal.We did what we needed to do given the knowledge we had at the time and that worked. The new knowledge about vitamin D, vitamin C & D, ivermectin, zinc, etc all mean we do not have to go the lock down path in the future. But I have . doubts about any relaxation of the 14 day supervised quarantine here in the near future.

    But we did not push infected elderly out of hospitals into aged care homes as happened in the UK and apparently in some states of the USA.

  9. Another Ian says:


    “Let’s start with the history of this ancient medicine derived from the bark of The Cinchona Tree. “During the 300 years between its introduction into Western medicine and World War I, quinine was the only effective remedy for malaria.”

    So, the first point is, this drug has been used in Europe since Spanish explorers discovered the Incan people using it circa 1580 to cure malaria – and it was the only known cure during those centuries, saving lives safely.

    In fact, it takes roughly ten times as much quinine to overdose as aspirin.”

    And more

  10. p.g.sharrow says:

    There is one MAJOR problem with using Hydroxychloroquine/zinc as a treatment for “This” corona virus. It only costs $1 per treatment! Will even prevent the need for hospitalization. The planned treatment was Redmisvur at $1000 per treatment in a ICU setting. None of these cheaper and better treatments are permitted as “approved” by the government agencies involved. They are far too inexpensive and effective.
    Why are people upset about a few earlier deaths in nursing homes Old people are put into these facilities to sooner or later die. So a few more did die a bit sooner then later. .pg

  11. Sabretoothed says:

    Fall of civilization, no morals

  12. Bill In Oz says:

    P G Sharrow, I’ll speak from an Aussie perspective..If you need to go into an old aged care home home it is expensive..About $450,000 per person up front for anything half way decent. Plus there is a per diem fee to pay. Pretty impoverishing for many old timers though the estate does get a partial refund after death…

    I assume something similar happens in the USA or UK

    Sooooo the current picture is go into an aged car home, pay out big time, and then get infected and die of the virus in a month or so due to incompetent government strategy…

    Theft and murder in one big hit ehh ?

    Wonderful of you to approve such a strategy..

  13. E.M.Smith says:

    @Bill In Oz:

    P.G. tends not to tag /sarc; on his biting sarcasm….

  14. Bill In Oz says:

    Thanks EM.
    Good to hear that.

  15. Scissor says:

    A lot of times, people adopt an all or nothing stance and that’s the case for mask wearing. I now accept that masks have limited protective value but they are pretty good at source preventing the spread of aerosols from coughs and sneezes and simple spitting by reducing their momentum.

  16. spetzer86 says:

    If they were looking at ivermectin, it’s odd they didn’t also try the WHO approved moxidectin tablet. Lower dose and longer half-life than ivermectin.

  17. Simon Derricutt says:

    I should have bookmarked the data so I could give a link, but I recall that the average stay in a care home for men is 3 months and for women 5 months. As such, not really a lot of months of life lost for the people in care homes.

    Despite that, sending people with Covid-19 (otherwise Kung Flu, WuFlu or Wuhan virus) back to a care home does seem particularly remiss and was bound to produce such a spike in cases and deaths because people with dementia just won’t keep a distance or indeed do the logical things to avoid infecting others. I took care of my mum here rather than sending her to a care home here in France, since there would have been language difficulties. It was pretty difficult, and made me think that the professional carers on minimum wage (often actually below in practice) are quite a bit underpaid. Add in the need to wear PPE and to try to avoid cross-contamination between the residents of a care-home and it looks to be essentially impossible to do a perfect job. Unless you lock them in then they will get up in the middle of the night and try to go visit someone (even if that someone is in another country and has likely been dead for quite a while too).

    By now it seems the lockdown is counterproductive. If people have high-enough levels of vit-D (and Zinc), then getting a low-enough dose of the virus will train their immune systems and they won’t get ill but become immune. I figure that also applies to the 65+ age group for the most part, too, so no real need for me to take severe precautions. On the other hand, if your life consists of sitting in a chair indoors until you’re put to bed (for example in a care home), then your immune system will be compromised and you’re likely to catch the disease from a small exposure. Might take a bit longer than others for the virus load to grow (smaller start-point, but nothing to stop it increasing) so a longer incubation period and maybe longer time infectious without symptoms, too.

    Sending infected people back to the care homes was a result of a central decision to clear the hospitals in order to prepare for a large influx of patients needing weeks of intensive care. Much the same problem as has been noted in central control in communist countries. The models said there would be a large number of severely-ill people, and the data on the ground wasn’t taken account of. However, the “overflow hospitals” that were quickly built hardly got used. As it turned out, those old folk could have been cared for in hospital and not sent back to their care-homes to die (and in the process infect others).

  18. gallopingcamel says:

    “There is one MAJOR problem with using Hydroxychloroquine/zinc as a treatment for “This” corona virus. It only costs $1 per treatment! Will even prevent the need for hospitalization.”

    There you have it. If “Big Pharma” can’t price gouge you the treatment must be banned.

  19. A C Osborn says:

    Simon Derricutt says: 25 May 2020 at 1:41 pm
    I don’t know where you got the care home length of stay from, but it is wildly inaccurate.
    When my Sister in law was in a care home with Vascular Dementia she was the shortest stay inmate and she was in there over a year, some had already been there over 5 years.

    We have 3 local care homes including the one she was in with zero COVID-19 cases, all locked down early with the the support staff moving in and living in full time with decent PPE.

  20. E.M.Smith says:

    Note, too, that a “stay” need not end in death. My MIL was in 3 orc4 different care homes inside a year or so. Resident of on, she fell and broke a leg. Then discharged to a full nursing care home whilecthe leg healed. After that, the first care home was full, so went to a different one…

    IIRC she was in care homes about 4 years, but rarely the same one for a full year. So equating average length of stay with remaining lifespan is inaccurate.

  21. agimarc says:

    CDC hasn’t had a great pandemic so far.

    Scott Adams reported over the weekend that the blue state govs who put Wuhan-positive patients into nursing homes / long-term care facilities were following CDC guidance. Have not yet confirmed.

    OTOH, CDC did post a study of studies last week that found that masks, hand washing, respiratory etiquette, and surface cleaning have no demonstrated effect on transmission of influenza (viruses). Add to that their use of bogus models, continuing controversy on social distancing, inflating death numbers due to Wuhan, and they are close to batting 0-fer, which won’t keep them in the Big Leagues very long should Trump be reelected. Maybe he will put Grenell, his designated hitman in charge for a while to drain that particular part of the swamp. Cheers –

  22. Another Ian says:

    On the risks of using quinine and derivatives – from a medico friend

    ” We have used Quinine compounds in Australia for decades for 1. heart irregularities (no longer used) 2. leg cramps (no longer allowed) 3. rheumatoid diseases (still used).

    The risk from the quinine used for leg cramps was a 1/100,000 risk of low platelets (blood cells which help stop bleeding) which was fatal in 2-3% of cases ie a 1 per 3 million risk of death from the drug.

    Pretty small in my opinion given that the drug most commonly used in Australia for Diabetes has a 1/60,000 risk of death!”

    Are people still being polite as “The Peking Pox” hasn’t yet hit widespread use?

  23. E.M.Smith says:

    @Another Ian:

    “Peking Pox”? That’s a new one for me. Polite about it? Heeelll No! I’m liking it!

    Geee… quinine compound reducing clotting in a disease where excess clotting is the major mode of catastophic failure? Sounds like a feature to me.

  24. Terry Jackson says:

    A paper on Stockholm nursing home deaths.

    “We summarize the Covid19 tragedy in elderly care in Sweden, particularly in the City of Stockholm. We explain the institutional structure of elderly care administration and service provision. Those who died of Covid19 in Stockholm’s nursing homes had a life-remaining median somewhere in the range of 5 to 9 months. ”

    “The overall number of deaths of people in nursing homes in Sweden has not, in fact, been much elevated, compared to recent years. Over the period January through April 2020, the number of deaths among those in nursing homes was about 11,000, whereas for the previous year it was about 10,000. And that previous year was unusually low, partly because the 2019 flu season was relatively mild. It is possible that come 2020 the nursing-home population was even more vulnerable than usual.”

  25. Bill In Oz says:

    @Terry Sometimes I wonder about the capacity of ‘researchers’ to actually see their data.
    “Over the period January through April 2020, the number of deaths among those in nursing homes was about 11,000, whereas for the previous year it was about 10,000. ”
    So 11,000 deaths in four months January to April 2020
    Compared to 10,000 in all of 2019 ?
    Or has this article not stated the data accurately ?

  26. Bill In Oz says:

    Only ‘imperialists and colonialists use the term “Peking ” for Beijing.
    But I do like the sound of “Beijing Pox”

  27. Another Ian says:


    “Only ‘imperialists and colonialists use the term “Peking ” for Beijing.”

    Then wouldn’t Peking Pox be a perfect double description for China atm?

  28. Another Ian says:

    “The Not-So-Novel Coronavirus
    Posted on May 25, 2020 by tonyheller

    The mass media induced mass panic – by telling people they were experiencing some new apocalypse called the “novel coronavirus.” But it turns out that most of the population already had immunity,”

    More at

  29. Terry Jackson says:

    @Bill in Oz
    Bill, you may be correct, but I took it to mean the same period in both years. Writing for absolute clarity takes a lot of words and a careful structure. Sconce school does not teach grammar and sentence structure.

    Back in March, the US weekly death rate data showed a slight decrease, possibly due to delayed reporting. That will be worth a follow-up in the fall when the data should be complete, less a few outliers. My suspicion is that a lot of things are now listed as COVID, and that there has been a decrease in deaths from other causes, and the overall death totals are not much changed from prior years. I also suspect there will be a subtle increase in death from other causes over the next 3 to 5 years due to shutting down the “elective” medical system. There was a report from Alaska that breast cancer diagnosis had dropped from the 90 level to 20 in one month. A recent report in N California said they saw almost no COVID deaths, but did see an entire year of suicide during the shutdown.

  30. YMMV says:

    Another Ian: “The Not-So-Novel Coronavirus”

    All coronaviruses largely disappear in the Northern Hemisphere during April and May, but that won’t stop politicians and the press from claiming their draconian anti-science, anti-human lockdowns were effective.

    The way that the curves for the northern hemisphere countries were in sync regardless of lockdowns is a clue. Increased sunshine (UVA – Vit-D) or temperature or whatever.

    The big focus was on vaccines and drugs to save patients on ventilators, but little or no attention paid to the things that boost prevention. Like suntanning at the beach. Getting out of those enclosed bad air buildings. Vitamins and minerals.

  31. A C Osborn says:

    No comment on here re the WHO response to the latest HCQ “study”.
    They have paused their Clinical study on safety grounds even though none of the patients is showing any concerns.

    How long before they are calling for a world wide ban of using HCQ to treat COVID-19?

  32. A C Osborn says:

    Also I hadn’t realised that China has now bribed the WHO with the promise of $2Billion over the next 2 years to help fight COVID-19.

    The UK has apparently approved Remdesivir for treating COVID-19, despite the fact there have been no finished Clinicla Trials in the UK.

    The latest study on Remedesivir, run by a bunch of Gilead payed doctors suggest it is better than a placebo (they actually used a placebo???) for 6 out of 7 phases of the illness.
    Which has been reported in the MSM.
    But no mention that it is far worse patients already on mechanical ventilation, in fact it apperas to have killed more than no treatment at all, even though there were 22 more ventilated patients in the placebo group.
    See graph 7 in figure 2, although I fail to understand the graph as it shows 0.5 proportional “Recovered” but under the bottom scale it also shows zero patients at risk after 33 days.
    Confused much.

  33. Ossqss says:

    Interesting item, albeit some of the numbers don’t look right to me.

  34. Crashex says:

    I was researching the total death rate in long term care facilities in the US and came across a study from about 2010 that had two interesting statistics that helped me put this in context.
    1. About 24% of Americans that died in 2010, died in a long term care facility with a projected growth to near 40% by 2020.
    2. Approximately 53% of the people in a LTC facility are in the facility for 6 months or less. Lots of turnover, with an average tenure in the facility that was less than a year.

    With so much talk of comorbidities, I’ve been wondering just how many of the deaths attributed to COVID are actually due to COVID in this group, and how many are asymptomatic positives that died due to other causes. How many excess deaths are the result of the pandemic?

  35. p.g.sharrow says:

    in Detroit last week, 5 listed Covid-19 deaths were people that died of gunshot wounds but tested positive for the virus. That 100,000 plus, listed US deaths from Covid-19 might be a bit high. Maybe even a great deal high given the incentives to pad the figures to generate greater medical incomes.

  36. AnnieM says:

    Crashex – You can calculate an approximation of the excess deaths from the information at the following CDC page. The data on this page is deaths that have been officially reported. So the numbers are quite a bit lower than other pages because the official paperwork sometimes isn’t done for weeks or even months. Column 2 is “deaths from all causes” for the given week. Column 3 is the “Percent of expected deaths”. This percentage compares the current number to an average of the last 3 years for that week. So it’s supposed to show you if all (or almost all) of the deaths for the week have been reported. What it shows for the weeks of COVID-19 is percentages well above 100%, i.e. the excess deaths for those weeks. So with a few calculations you can come up with an approximation of the number of excess deaths for that week. When you compare the excess deaths with the deaths attributed to COVID-19 (column 1) you can get an idea of how many “normal” deaths are being attributed to COVID-19. Unfortunately the numbers at the page are always changing as deaths are officially reported.

  37. A C Osborn says:

    It has started, France bans HCQ for COVID-19.
    The rest of the world to follow.
    Or will the poor countries thumb their noses at the West?

  38. Simon Derricutt says:

    Maybe a good idea to stock up on vitamin-D and Zinc tablets, for when the WHO decides they are too dangerous to be allowed to be used….

  39. Simon Derricutt says:

    Incidentally, the US figures for stay in care homes are in a report at :

    “The average age of participants when they moved to a nursing home was about 83. The average length of stay before death was 13.7 months, while the median was five months. Fifty-three percent of nursing home residents in the study died within six months.
    Men died after a median stay of three months, while women died after a median stay of eight months. Married participants died a median four months sooner than those who were unmarried. Participants in the highest quartile of net worth died a median six months sooner than those in the lowest quartile.”

    Yep, I got median and average mixed up in my earlier comment, and the women were 8 months rather than 5 (5 months was median for both sexes). I found the figures to be surprising, too, and not matching the intuitive estimate of around 5 years. Given the cost of such care, I’d however expect people to only go there when there was no reasonable alternative. A friend of mine used to work in an old folks’ home, and his stories of the care there (or lack of it) certainly made me wish to avoid sending my mum to one without some very serious inspection first.

    In the UK at least, there was a shortage of places in care homes, which would also tend to reduce the time people would stay in them since there would be a delay in getting in. Now it looks like a lot of UK care homes may go bust, and thus even fewer places and yet shorter stays because of a longer delay between needing the place and getting it.

  40. Bill In Oz says:

    Simon,Maybe a good idea to stock up on melatonin as well. Melatonin is what the body produces lots of when we are young; and bugger all when we are old. It’s a key youth hormone. And probably why children do not get infected with this corona virus.

    A study should be done in aged care home to see if taking melatonin helps older folk not get infected..But it’s not new. It’s a natural hormone. So not patentable by big Pharma. ( Big dig needed here ? ) But it is readily available and cheap as well.

    PS It helps folk sleep well and delays ageing.

  41. YMMV says:

    Here is a great video interview where they discuss melatonin (and other vitamins and minerals). It even mentions that the blue light from LED screens interferes with your sleep.

    “Dr. Shelton, Prevention better than cure”

  42. philjourdan says:

    You have to have a crises to institute marshal law It is all a put up to revoke the god given rights,

    The WuFlu is bad, But it does but it does not justify the suppression of the Constitution

  43. llanfar says:

  44. philjourdan says:

    And fake news is ignoring the retraction, after over playing the faulty report initially.

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