W.O.O.D. – 27 July 2020


This is another of the W.O.O.D. series of semi-regular
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What’s Going On?

The Sloe Gin Story

At somewhere near 17 ish, a group of us, roughly 4, who were in an Eagle Scout Post, were the “traffic cops” at the Jamboree up in the hills of California. We’re talking huge…

One guy decided to pack some booze. Yup, Sloe Gin. It supposedly went well in citrus juice, but how could we pack O.J., or worse, frozen O.J., in our “backpack and tent” gear? The solution? Dehydrated orange substance mostly sugar. Yes, Tang.

Now none of us really had much of a clue at all about what drinks were supposed to taste like. I’d had a couple of beers in my life, and smelled whiskey once. And I do mean ‘a couple’. Nearly none. The others were not much more experienced. BUT one of them had older brothers & friends and got the Sloe Gin.

So we all just poured some into the Tang until it turned a rather hideous blood color, then drank it. In fairly short order we achieved the tipsy stage. At that point, we did a patrol around the perimeter of the camp. UN-fortunately, our driver, this being night time, didn’t see the tent guy ropes off the end of one set of pup tents… A significant row of tents got suddenly less tall at one end…

Needless to say, we got a bit of a talking too about that.

Now if you ever have the desire to actually TRY a “Sloe Gin & Tang”, realize that you may find yourself unable to drink Tang again for several years. To this day, it’s not easy. The flavor isn’t particularly bad, just horridly sweet and cloying. Especially when served warm (no ice in camp either…). Then there’s what happens when you combine a glycaemic bolus with ethanol…

Oddly, I’ve not had Sloe Gin since then either…

Chinese Wuhan Covid

This has been beat to death in a bunch of postings.

At present we’ve got renewed “outbreaks” based on a lot of testing with a test that has some number of false positives too. Deaths not going up much though.

Biggest issue seems to be that The Swamp wants to make this as bad as possible in the hope it will damage Trump. Rather like all their other “Do Crap And Shout” TDS efforts, it just makes them look evil. Oh Well.

Plus, folks are catching on that HCQ works, Ivermectin works, and several other things help. It is looking ever more like a fraud being committed by the Swamp Creatures and normal folks do not appreciate being pawns in a game of Political Chicken that’s killing off their friends and relatives when that could all be avoided. Oh, and the feeding of $Millions to Big Pharma for Remdesivir that only sort of works or a vaccine that doesn’t exist yet and may make it worse.

It’s just become rather obvious that it is a put up job. Only unclear bits are “by whom” and “deliberate or exploiting an accident?”.


There is now what is being called “The Quad”, of Australia, India, Japan, and the USA all setting up mutual support processes for both military and economic needs. The Philippines is getting in on it a little too. The UK has started dumping China from projects, and even Germany has reluctantly started to make less-than-happy noises at China.

In an interview (in Russian) Putin said they were working with China to upgrade its Early Warning systems, but stressed it was only purely defensive weapons where they were helping China AND stated that they were NOT “allies” with China. I think this means China has basically pissed off the world.

IMHO it’s going to cost them their illegal bases on the artificial islands they built around bits of rock in the South China Sea. Japan is paying $Billions for 87 or so Japanese companies to pack up and leave China. They have also, thanks to a threat a few years back to cut off supplies from China, set up and / or bought Rare Earths from mines is several other countries. India has banned something like 80 Chinese cell phone apps, Australia has stopped being neutral on the South China Sea, and the USA has put a few Carrier Battle Groups around them.

Then there’s the ongoing floods. China has started breaching levees and flooding farms to save their cities. They have lost a few city areas already and more to come. Several key farming provinces are flooded. They have stopped buying selected foods from Australia and the USA, so not sure where they expect to get food. This will get grim in fall.


The E.U. isn’t budging much. The U.K. has rumours of giving up on a clean pure BREXIT. Time to start paying attention again. If the UK doesn’t just walk away, but gives up any sovereignty, it will be the hook used to reel you back in. It would be better to just say “We’re off” on WTO terms and let the EU come begging.

Italy is also polling majority leave now too, so exactly what will there be in the EU once that happens? And who gets stuck with all the Euro Debt?

The USA Colour Revolution

The Dimocrat Mayors of Seattle, Portland, Chicago, Los Angeles, etc. etc. are happy to let their city centres be looted and burned. They seem to think, somehow, failing in their duty to police their cities and giving a free pass to all the brats and criminals doing the looting and burning by not prosecuting them is somehow going to reflect on Trump.

Notice that when Trump was NOT doing anything, his numbers were dropping a little. When he announced more Fed Police & FBI going into some cities, his poll numbers went up a lot. Notice too that BLM Riots are resulting in falling approval of the BLM Marxist Communist movement and organization. Riots increase the Conservative vote.

I know, it’s part of the Colour Revolution Playbook. Create mayhem and chaos, try to provoke over-response from the Leader. Then claim the Leader is mean and evil and a despot. But the story just isn’t selling here. Trump is staying on the “not enough response” side and avoiding “over reaction”. Then the Stupid Yellow Stream Media tries to juice up the story with flat out lies and fabrication, the video comes out showing it’s lies and fabrication, and it just looks worse for the Democrats.

In the mean time, the USA has more guns than people and Normal People are just arming up and waiting for November. An Idiot Rioter was in the middle of an Antifa “surround the car and bang on it” while preventing the driver from getting past. UN-fortunately for him, he decided to point a big rifle at the driver. A few quick shoots later the rioter was dead.

Pointed Lesson: Even if Marxist District Attorney and Mayor let the rioters run free and lock up the Police, then charge with great crimes anyone who does use a gun to prevent a mob from attacking them: Citizens are going to defend themselves since it is “Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.” The driver will be judged by the system. The rioter will be buried.

I now have a loaded gun in a locked case near at hand. About 4 seconds to open it. It has been VERY quiet here compared to other cities. Seems the Silicon Valley types are too smart to be Useful Idiots. But even with that, I’ve upped the protection profile “just in case” I’m not watching the news when that changes. I know of a couple of Millennials that are now packing when at home. Once I’m in Florida, I’m going to apply for a CCW. I’m also going to order Bear Spray for the car. All that, and I”m not even in a hot spot. Just imagine what folks in the Bad Areas are doing!

Feds have started arresting 100s on Federal Charges. These will not get out of jail on the Democrat Revolving Door program. Think the Antifa BLM Marxists will be happy to keep on being Useful Idiots in a faux revolution when it consists of jail time and a few shot dead because they picked the wrong cars?

The Spouse has become aware of the car trap practice. I’m pretty sure she will pick a hole and floor it if she sees a crowd in the street. No more “just stop and let them get out of the way” because it’s now “Stop and you get pounded or killed”. Even just hitting reverse and backing up fast is worth it. That’s going to become more common too. Mob in the street getting run over or having cars just refuse to stop one way or another. I know I’m not stopping for any crowd. You have a few seconds before you are the target, during that time you pick a hole and go through it (even if that hole is behind you via reverse).

People Adapt. And there’s a whole lot of folks who are veterans, cops, fire fighters, ambulance crews, and all of their families, who are more than ready to avoid the mob attack by the best means available. The Mob attacking random citizens is NOT making their Democrat Protectors and Funders look better, nor do they make Trump look worse. They do make themselves look evil, their enablers more evil (or in some cases inept and weak) and give Trump a win when they are arrested on Federal Charges.

Oh, and in one city a Left Wing Militia was trying to put on a show of force against the local Police. Seems a pro-peace Militia group joined up with the cops. Faced with much more opposing firepower than they expected, the Left Wing folks decided to leave… Expect to see more of that. There’s a much much larger group of folks who are pro-Police. The Sheriffs in a couple of Florida Counties have outright said they would welcome help from their armed citizens. Either deputized or not. A couple of percent of armed Left Wing Nuts are more than countered by the 1/4 of the population who are both armed and support the Police. That we are being quiet is not a sign of weakness, it is a sign of good gun discipline and strategic preparation. We are not needed, yet.

I hope the lesson is learned early and hopefully just from the couple of dozen already killed and half dozen cases where the Marxist Useful Idiots discovered the meaning of Opposing Force In Strength. The folks “On The Right” (and increasingly “from the Middle, like me) are also far more disciplined and well practices in martial arts / firearms discipline. From what I’ve seen of The Left, it is largely inexperienced Wanna Bees who have not handled guns much, or very long. To the extent they succeed at making this a Shooting Colour Revolution, they will not last long. With any luck, the Dims will realize they have embraced a losing strategy and tell the nutbars to stand down, then turn the police loose to do their job and arrest any who ignored the memo…

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107 Responses to W.O.O.D. – 27 July 2020

  1. Another Ian says:

    “Older children may spread Coronavirus even faster than adults do”


  2. H.R. says:

    E.M. wrote: “Then the Stupid Yellow Stream Media tries to juice up the story with flat out lies and fabrication, the video comes out showing it’s lies and fabrication, and it just looks worse for the Democrats.”

    The interwebbies are a wonderful thing. There are tons of cellphone videos of the violent rioting property destroying looting citizen-assaulting “peaceful protesters” going around. The YSM has the gall to tell people to “Trust us. These are just peaceful protests against racist privileged whites (which is all of us, apparently) or the Bad Orange Man’s horrible policies.”

    Yeah. Sure. Uh-huh. Who are we supposed to believe; you or our lyin’ eyes?

    As you expanded on yourself, E.M., few people are buying it other than the zombie sheeple that only get their news from the YSM and don’t receive news from multiple sources. But every day, there are fewer and fewer zombie sheeple, thanks to the internet.

  3. H.R. says:

    My question has always been, who do I need to ventilate, if it comes to that?

    In the War Between the States, one side wore blue and the other side wore gray. It was pretty easy to figure out where to aim.

    Pantifa makes it somewhat easy with their bike helmets, backpacks, and hoodies but there will be a few million ordinary looking American regressives who support the Marxist-lite Revolution, not realizing that they will be the first to be eliminated should The Revolution be successful. It has always been so. (The YSM are completely Dumbed Down Dolts as they don’t realize they are at the head of the line to be eliminated if prior Marxist takeovers are any indication.)

    So that – where to aim – has been a point of concern to me as I have been contemplating the unthinkable, but quite possible, results of this Communist assault on America. The answer is simple if I’m directly attacked. It’s not so simple if it becomes necessary to root out and eradicate the Communist Cancer in order to preserve our Constitutional Republic.

  4. E.M.Smith says:

    Spotting Marxist indoctrinated or influenced folks?

    You will know them by their language, “triggering” or support of the “triggered”, attitudes and actions.

    Do they kneel? Say the BLM slogan with zeal? Talk about “privileged” classes? Push “defund” or “cancel culture” agenda and actions? Denigrate religion and traditional values? Get vapor lock when you mention hunting or venison stew?

    It really doesn’t take long to spot them.

    I’m sure with a little work you can come up with a set of covert screening questions. For example: “What is your preferred pronoun?” The correct answer is “Standard English” or “what?”. (I intend to answer “I like all of them. They are useful.”) Folks who smile and congratulate you for asking are outed. Especially if they answer with some nonsence word like xi or ti.

    Or you could ask “What do you think of the Starbucks free trade coffee?”. Answers like “Ok but overpriced” or “Don’t know, don’t go.” are likely friendlies. A romanticized gush about helping bring social justice to poor farmers not so much.

    Do they preen about their carbon footprint? Have a degree in {identitarian group id} Studies . or other useless indoctrination vehicle? Pretty good clues there. As government employees, what policies are they pushing? Just ask their agenda for their campaign. AOC and Omar are not hiding it. Biden has been absorbed by it and tries to spout the pattern phrases.

    Heck, just ask if they support / what they think of nationalized health care. Pretty good sort right there in the USA.

  5. H.R. says:

    I get what you’re saying, E.M., but I’m thinking I’d have to plug about a third of my neighbors, and that’s probably against HOA rules.

  6. H.R. says:

    I heard something last week about the number of people under the age of 24 who have died from Wuhan Flu. It was a surprisingly miniscule number, at least to me, and no doubt there were severe underlying factors in those young people who did die.

    I just got around to searching on it and I found this article in a news source I’ve never seen before.

    The data is from the CDC, which makes me suspect it is off to the high side, if anything. Oh, it’s also from July 17th, so of course the numbers will be off a bit. Still the numbers are from February to July 17th, so that pretty much covers the outbreak.

    It’s a very, very short read. They mostly let the CDC table speak for itself. Scroll down a smidge for the table.


  7. cdquarles says:

    @H. R., what is somewhat surprising, given previous experience, is how few under *4* die. Previous experience shows a ‘J’ shaped survival curve. The very young and the very old are more vulnerable, in general. That said, physical bodies live as a series of hours. Even without ‘therapeutic’ abortions, many don’t survive to see birth. Historically, infant mortality was quite high; even 100 years ago. Life in the state of Nature is nasty, brutal and short. Societies and the civilizations that derive from them are rather fragile things; and human nature is a combination of good and evil. Right now, society is enhancing the evil side, to its detriment.

  8. Annie says:

    Interesting to read of your experience with sloe gin! I cannot imagine how ghastly it would be, mixed with Tang….yerrgh! My father used to make excellent sloe gin and we would drink it in sherry-like amounts, i.e. small :)

  9. philjourdan says:

    People are learning and arming. While the fake news has tried to hide it, the truth is seeping out. And even though the McCloskeys are total dolts on using firearms, their use of them has a lot of folks buying guns.

    The folks on the right have had enough. The line is drawn. The snowflakes are going to start to fall.

  10. pouncer says:

    I had doubts that “Tang” ™ was still being manufactured and sold. But so it is.

    I wonder if it’s any better tasting now than in the 60’s. Flavor science has progressed along with everything else — sometimes forward then back, but usually forward. Most big name recognizable brands get “new and improved” every few years. Tide detergent, Pillsbury cinnamon rolls… well, and “New Coke”. It’s a gamble about changing a recipe that people are accustomed to. There is certainly enough competition to drive improvements. Crystal Light and Country Time and instant GatorAde… I see Amazon has more flavors of Tang besides orange. Maybe they have two varieties of “orange” now — traditional and enhanced. No Fizzies ™ pellets, though. Sad.

    I got accustomed to the lemon-flavored “AlkaSeltzer Plus Cold Medicine” ™” before the wise and good and fully informed regulators of the FDA decided that certain over-the-counter drugs contributed to the manufacture of illicit methamphetamines and so had to to be tracked. Rather than track one ingredient in the recipe, the Bayer company re-formulated the product and omitted that particular substance. Substituted something else. And changed the flavor to “orange-zest”. HONESTLY I’m not sure whether I’d gotten addicted to the original drug, or there is some sort of anti-placebo effect going on due to the taste. But the old stuff worked and the new stuff doesn’t and I haven’t found an OTC cold medicine that helps as much since the change.

  11. Graeme No.3 says:

    Reminds me of the old story of a woman who went to the Pharmacist to buy medicine and was told it wasn’t available as it had been declared addictive. “Stuff & Nonsense” she said, “Why I’ve been taking it everyday for 14 years”.

  12. Steven Fraser says:

    @EM: Thx for the ‘Sloe Gin’ story, mixing the Scouting escapade… priceless.
    In College, the ‘Sloe Gin Fizz’ was any lemon-lime soda (preferably, in a can, to obscure the color from casual observers) into which some amount of Sloe Gin was added. Sprite and 7-up worked quite well, in my recollection.

    It makes me think that powdered lemon-lime drink would work, maybe even to make sloe gin lemonade ice cubes for a summer cooler…

    @philjourdan: One can hope that the DA in the McCloskey’s case will get firm opposition in the next election.

  13. p.g.sharrow says:

    In the long run chaos is the answer, The internet is chaos winning over the organization of the MSM. The more that they try to organize the Internet the more chaotic it will become. Freedom is chaos, chaos is freedom. Welcome to the 21st Century.

  14. Another Ian says:

    This ought to cause a stir!

    “Talk is cheap. Meanwhile back at the WH…

    HUGE! Trump White House Implements Executive Order on Online Censorship: Prevents Tech Giants from Altering Users’ Free Speech – Demands Transparency of Moderation Practices
    By Jim Hoft
    Published July 29, 2020 at 5:54pm


    Via https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/07/29/jim-jordan-opening-statement-on-big-tech-censorship/#comment-8550666

  15. p.g.sharrow says:

    Interesting, if left to it’s own devices, chaos will self organize into it’s most effective form.

  16. E.M.Smith says:

    Just fascinating. The youtube channel JeffMAC picks up live feeds from the protest / riots and it is an “in the crowd” experience.

    Right now doing Springfield Oregon.


    Crowd almost universally late teens / 20s.
    Everybody has a grumpy to angry affect. Only happy when someone rages out and shouts or cussing.
    Generally impresses me as classical losers.
    What conversation is heard isn’t very content rich. Cussing, slogans. Hurtful remarks. Sniditude.
    Lots of Soy Boys (though not all). Several “man buns”…
    Lots of less than attractive women (though masks and anger color the appearance. )
    Many (most?) Have a cell phone recording. Looking to find or make trouble.

    I find it fascinating to be in the crowd but not part of it. An invisible observer.

  17. E.M.Smith says:

    Found another one: anteroslive.

    The speaker rousing the crowd in Portland likes cussing a lot. F-bombs seem to be frequent for everyone, but his is very frequent.

    Oh, new speaker. Classical socialist “we want free stuff for everyone to reach {utopian} ‘justice'”… and it’s all Trump’s fault.

  18. Another Ian says:

    “Residents are driving Black Lives Matter protesters out of Springfield, Oregon. ”


  19. A C Osborn says:

    E.M.Smith says: 30 July 2020 at 4:59 am

    Is it good enough for identification and to take to court if necessary?

  20. E.M.Smith says:


    Many of them clearly are. But this event had not descended into violence (yet?).

    Many without face masks. Many with identifiable clothing.

  21. E.M.Smith says:

    @Another Ian:

    In the video I saw from the same event, it wasn’t so much locals driving them out as it was locals being pissed and agressive while others tried to prevent fighting. Police declared it an illegal assembly, and the organizers called for folks to end the event and go home.

    The general point, though, that the ‘burbs are not an easy pushover, is valid. The Marxists encountered significant pushback and little local support.

  22. cdquarles says:

    It has been said elsewhere, but the point is valid. Out in the sticks, nature is wild and the people are tame. In the city, nature is tame and the people are wild. The suburbs are a mix. Some will be more like the city and others more like the sticks.

  23. E.M.Smith says:

    In other news:

    Russia has sold S400 air defence systems to China… BUT just declined to send and install the actual missiles… claiming they don’t want to distract the PLA from Covid duties…. Yeah, right.

    Putin also has deployed hypersonic nuclear capable missiles to their Pacific fleet. Nothing to do with China claiming historical rights to Vladivostok, lately, I’m sure…. /sarc;

  24. H.R. says:

    @E.M. – China seems determined to piss off every country. They are working their way down the list.

    Actually, to maintain power, it’s a tried and true strategy. The Dear Leader of whatever country has used that strategy doesn’t have a hard time getting the populace into a wartime mentality, willing to sacrifice greatly to maintain “our way of life.”

    Defending the homeland against “all those countries who are against us and want to destroy us” is an easy way to get the country lined up solidly behind Dear Leader. Dear Leader just has to demonize the other countries, dehumanize the other countries’ soldiers and citizens, and Wham! Bam! Thank you ma’am! the populace is good to go.

    Our SICs have been doing that to us in America for years while the GEBs make a tidy fortune by arming both sides.

  25. jim2 says:

    I made a donation to this Black reporter who was stabbed by an AF f***up. I feel that when needed, Black conservatives deserve our support, and I’m sure any help will be appreciated. This stabbing comes on the heels of the mugging of Michelle Malkin at a Back the Blue rally. It’s only a matter of time …

    Black Rebel:



  26. jim2 says:

    Looks like a BUYCOTT opportunity!

    But in a statement released this week, Trader Joe’s reversed course and defended its brands [emphasis added]:

    In light of recent feedback and attention we’ve received about our product naming, we have some things we’d like to say to clarify our approach.

    A few weeks ago, an online petition was launched calling on us to “remove racist packaging from [our] products.” Following were inaccurate reports that the petition prompted us to take action. We want to be clear: we disagree that any of these labels are racist. We do not make decisions based on petitions.

    We make decisions based on what customers purchase, as well as the feedback we receive from our customers and Crew Members. If we feel there is need for change, we do not hesitate to take action.


    Recently we have heard from many customers reaffirming that these name variations are largely viewed in exactly the way they were intended­—as an attempt to have fun with our product marketing. We continue our ongoing evaluation, and those products that resonate with our customers and sell well will remain on our shelves.


  27. E.M.Smith says:

    I shop at Trader Joe’s, like their fun names (like using Trader Jose’s for their Mexican line), and would only NOT buy it if they go PC Woke on the whole thing.

    I don’t see it as “racist” AT ALL , but rather inclusive of and embracing an ethnicity.

    I grew up half my time in a Mexican household (who, BTW, gave me a sombrero, so anyone complaining if I wear one can go pound sand up their =÷×% €=.) IMHO what IS racist is to demand the extermination of ethnic folks on product lables and in media. Gone With The Wind- 1st Black Oscar. Song Of The South? Big Black cast who might want some royalties. Trader Jose’s makes me feel like I’m back with Miguel, Jose, and Cuco in the kitchen again. Think Jose minded being called Jose? NO WAY.

    Oh, and Aunt Jemima was a real person who made a success of it by creating and selling her mix. So just how is exterminating a Black Success Story a good thing? To me, erasing her success and name is what’s racist.

    I’ve heard it said that the folks doing this are the racists, just they feel guilty about their cushy lives. I agree with that. Erasing minorities from their view lets them feel less guily about being a closet racist.

  28. Compu Gator says:

    Heeere it comes! Finally, one worth our attention here in East-Central Florida.

    There was recent talk by naysaying weatherpersons, that disruptive strong highs or fronts hanging out around Santo Domingo & Cuba would keep Isaias limited to a mere ‘tropical storm’. Uh, huh.

    Sooo, a hurricane-hunter‘s report just before midnight earned Isaias earned its promotion to ‘hurricane’ [✈]. NHC updated its ‘cone’ image, but I can’t show the exact one released at that time, because it’s autoüpdated on reload from their site (regardless of apparent time-specificity of URL) [🌀].

    Note ✈ : National Hurricane Center. 1140 PM EDT Thu Jul 30 2020. https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2020/al09/al092020.update.07310339.shtml?.

    Note 🌀 :
    https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2020/ISAIAS_graphics.php?product=5day_cone_with_line_and_wind. I can’t show readers the exact image released at midnight, because it’s autoüpdated on reload from the NHC site (regardless of apparent time-specificity of URL, e.g.: https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/175432.shtml?cone#contents).

  29. ossqss says:

    Gator, a weaker system will shift the track West. Looking at the modeling today, we should see that shift on the news later tonight. Latest ECMWF run (12z) shows the system coming into W Palm tomorrow night and exiting near Jax on Monday. I am just passing on what I see in the various modeling, not trying to forecast anything.

  30. Another Ian says:

    This will go over a treat I’m guessing!

    “Individuals with a cervix & gentlemen, could we have your attention please.”


  31. Power Grab says:

    @ossqss: Jax, huh? Got a TV weatherman named Corey Simma in the viewing area?

  32. ossqss says:

    Sorry, a Florida thing to conserve discussion energy via pixels and keystrokes. They always said, work smart not hard. It is also the name of the airport for, well, planes to land in JAX ::-)

    Jacksonville, Florida

  33. Another Ian says:

    Don’t drop your guard

    “Three quarters of mild to moderate Covid illnesses show heart damage”


  34. pouncer says:

    ” Aunt Jemima was a real person who made a success of it”

    Chef Boyardee. Famous Amos. Nathan (Franks), (Orange) Julius. Five (no-name) Guys. Colonel Sanders. There were actual “McDonalds” before Kroc brought and expanded the concept.

    The EXPECTATION that a real person, some “John Galt” like figure is the fountainhead of a new idea or product, is so much a part of our culture that when the heroic origin doesn’t exist, it’s (or he or she is) invented. Mavis Beacon. Mrs Butterworth. Buster Brown. Betty Crocker. Joe Izuzu….

  35. E.M.Smith says:


    Looks like I was captured by a partial history. There was a real person who did the promotion, but didn’t make the product:


    Nancy Green (March 4, 1834 – August 30, 1923) was a storyteller, cook, activist, and the first of many African-American models hired to promote a corporate trademark as “Aunt Jemima”. The famous Aunt Jemima recipe was not her recipe, but she became the advertising world’s first living trademark.
    Nancy Hayes (or Hughes) was born enslaved on March 4, 1834] Montgomery County Historical Society oral history places her birth at a farm on Somerset Creek, six miles outside Mount Sterling in Montgomery County, Kentucky.
    She moved with the Walkers from Kentucky to Chicago in the early 1870s, before the birth of Samuel’s youngest child in 1872. The Walker family initially settled in a swank residential district near Ashland Avenue and Washington Boulevard called the “Kentucky Colony,” then home to many transplanted Kentuckians.
    On the recommendation of Judge Walker, she was hired by the R.T. Davis Milling Company in St. Joseph, Missouri, to represent “Aunt Jemima”, an advertising character named after a song from a minstrel show.
    At the age of 59, Green made her debut as Aunt Jemima at the 1893 World’s Columbian Exposition held in Chicago in the guise of a plantation slave, beside the “world’s largest flour barrel” (24 feet high), where she operated a pancake-cooking display, sang songs, and told romanticized stories about the Old South
    After the Expo, Green was reportedly offered a lifetime contract to adopt the Aunt Jemima moniker and promote the pancake mix; however, it is likely the offer was part of the lore created for the character rather than Green herself. This marked the beginning of a major promotional push by the company that included thousands of personal appearances and Aunt Jemima merchandising. She appeared at fairs, festivals, flea markets, food shows, and local grocery stores;
    Despite her “lifetime contract,” she portrayed the role for no more than 20 years.

    So there was a real person, but playing a role. Did it well enough to sell it.

    Chef Boyardee and Col. Sanders were real.
    As is Famos Amos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wally_Amos

    I’d heard a radio news report that the Green family was unhappy with eliminating Aunt Jimima as she was their ancestor and was the real first Aunt Jimima who made the brand. Coupled with old memories of an Aunt Jimima person hawking the mix at fairs and such was enough to conjoin the two as “real”. Ought to have checked. Yes, she was real as the family said, but as a “living trademark” not a mix creator.

  36. E.M.Smith says:

    Looks like Uncle Ben is similarly based on two real people, not the creator of the process:


    Since 1946, Uncle Ben’s products have carried the image of an elderly African-American man dressed in a bow tie, which is said to have been based on a Chicago maître d’hôtel named Frank Brown. According to Mars, Uncle Ben was an African-American rice grower known for the quality of his rice.

    So one guy for the image, another as rice grower.

  37. H.R. says:

    Bob Evans and Jimmy Dean – Started with sausage and branched out from there.

    Jimmy Dean was a singer – popular at our house – and got into the sausage biz, probably for cash flow and something that would continue to produce income after his popularity waned. That happens to most entertainers, eventually.

    At our house it was “What the heck is he doing in the sausage biz?!? He’s a wonderful singer.” Yup. His popularity as a singer dropped off, but the sausage biz took off. Made more on ground up piggies than he ever would have made in showbiz.

    Bob Evans was a hog farmer who made a wonderful sausage, sold it from his farm and drove around his region selling it door-to-door. He had a 12-seat diner. His brother, Dan, was the brains of the bunch and was the force behind the growth of Bob Evans sausage and restaurants. Dan was the longtime CEO of Bob Evans. Bob really did like making, selling, and proselytizing converts to his excellent sausages. He was very friendly, personable, and persuasive, but it was really Dan Evans who took it all to the next (and the next, and the next) level.

    Oh, there’s Cheryl’s cookies. There really is a Cheryl who started that line of cookies.
    This is an interesting and fun topic.

    There are a whole bunch of ‘Mrs. This’ and ‘Uncle That’ food products. A lot of the products are represented by made up people to use the home cookin’ hook to generate the “always the best… whatever… at the church pot luck” image.

    Then there are those real people who made something soooo good and everybody said, “This is the best I’ve ever had. You should be selling this!” So they did.

    OTOH, Any food item called Billy Bob’s I consider suspect.

  38. Compu Gator says:

    The Compu Gator abalone series, despite starting on 1 August, was posted, according to long-established Internet ‘reply’ conventions, in what is now the previous “W.O.O.D.”:

    (I ask readers’ forbearance for this back-link, as a concession to my declining memory: In a few months, I’ll certainly remember the date of my posting, but I’m likely to have forgotten that the “W.O.O.D.” of 28 May is where I posted it.)

  39. E.M.Smith says:

    Spacex Dragon return starting now, departure in about 2 hours.

  40. billinoz says:

    Is anyone else following this story about expansionist China troop movements in the Aksai China area of what used to be Tibet ?

    Just one more example o CCP China being aggressive towards it’s neighbours.

  41. Another Ian says:

    No idea what it might mean to Fox-Watchers et al but just come up here that James Murdoch has quit the News Corp board.


    will bring up headlines, then might be paywalled

  42. H.R. says:

    @billinoz – I’ve not followed any of the CCP sabre rattling in depth, but it has been registering with me that China is poking and prodding a whole bunch of countries in a lot of different places.

    An army marches on its stomach. Wars are won by logistics more so than soldiers. The fact that there is a looming famine from internal crop failures (rain, locusts) and they are running out of money (Wu Flu trade disruption, tariffs, sanctions) to buy surplus food from other countries makes China seem more and more danger dangerous, in my view.

    A starving man with a starving family will get a gun and do whatever needs to be done to get food for himself and his family. I don’t think China is at that point, but perhaps could get to that point.

    I also pointed out elsewhere that I believe Xi and the CCP are making war noises to keep themselves in power. People tend to fall in behind the leader during times of war. Right now, Xi’s leadership is starting to come into question, so I’m a bit worried that one of their many skirmishes may turn into an Archduke Ferdinand-type situation.

  43. E.M.Smith says:

    About one hour to descent burn, 2 hours to splashdown

  44. E.M.Smith says:


    China has a history of kicking up external trouble to mask internal failures. So expect internal propaganda saying things like the USA breached the food deal contract and Australia became beligerant so their barley was at risk of sabotage and more.

    I.e. not the fault of the CCP or Xi…

    If it gets really bad, China will attack India, claim self defense, and declare a national emergency due to those evil untrustworthy Indian politicians and military.

  45. E.M.Smith says:

    Splash down! Thd USA has returned to manned spaceflights with our own equipment.

  46. Another Ian says:

    “A favourite lie of the environmental movement takes another blow”

    “As our paper showed, however, the post-war science that led to the LNT model’s acceptance was at best plain wrong and potentially even fraudulent.”


    Sounds like another bloody “cholesterol” coming up

  47. Another Ian says:

    Re China/India

    Back in my emails is a link to an analysis on this. I’ll see if I can find it – later.

    Concludes that while China has a lot more “stuff” than India it is in the wrong place for that dust-up.

  48. Compu Gator says:

    I say “[bleep!]” the condescending direction from the “mainstream media” on how we deplorables should pronounce the name of Isaias-formerly-known-as-a-Hurricane, which is due E. off Orlando raht now:

    Phonetically, it’s pronounced ees-ah-EE-ahs. There are different ways to pronounce Isaias but for the sake of a named storm, the National Hurricane Center has informed meteorologists this pronunciation will be the standard. [×]

    Sooo, the language-majority in the Continental U.S.A., i.e., native speakers of English, many of whom opened an Old Testament for their first time decades ago, and have continued to do so countless times since then, are expected to change their pronunciation of the name of perhaps the greatest prophet in the O.T., all because some faceless globalist-multiculturalist weathercrats say we must?  “It’s standard!“  Really, now?  That’s not how we pronounce its written name around here–the state off whose coast the former hurricane is whirling right now!

    Isaias is the Spanish and Portuguese version of the name Isaiah, more commonly used in Latin American countries like Argentina that tend to have a more European and Latin influence. [….] The name is not common in Mexico, the Caribbean or Central America, according to mynamestats.com. You likely won’t meet too many people with that name unless you travel to South America and parts of Europe. [×]

    So we in the U.S.A. near the path of this hurricane must pander to the pride of distant foreigners who inhabit other hemispheres, and are nowhere near the track of this hurricane?  Because it’s mostly Argentinans who happen to name their infants after major prophets in the Old-Testament, and that somehow gives them world-widedibs’ on the pronunciation?  To Hey-ell with that!

    Yet the credited “Multimedia Producer” author didn’t dig any deeper. Did she dig enough to satisfy herself?  There wouldn’t be a weee bit of her cultural biases [🌴] mixed into her linguistic ignorance, would there?

    In point of fact, “Isaias” is exactly the spelling that’s attested in St. Jerome‘s Biblia Vulgata [✞]. It’s It’s not merely “Latin American“; it’s honest-to-God Latin, yall!  Roman Empire, roads, legions, gladiators, &cetera.  Jerome would’ve gotten it from his original translation of Hebrew documents, completed in A.D. 405 [#]. His Latin spelling is consistent with the Greek spelling «῾Ησαΐας» [✡] (or less meticulously as «Ησαιας»), then pronounced something like English “Hā-să-yē’-ăs” (or “Ā-sī-ăs”) in the preChristian Septuagint Old Testament (a.k.a. LXX) [#]. It seems to me that the name in the Vulgate is now pronounced by English-speakers for Latin contexts more-or-less as English “Ē-sī’-yăs“.  English-speaking Protestants follow whatever translation into Early-Modern English established their spelling “Isaiah ” [❀], and pronounce it as “Eye-say’-yăh”.

    The name means “God is my salvation” [×]

    Nooo, the name does not mean a day-yamn thing in LXX Greek, nor in its corresponding Latin. So certainly not anything in its barbarized descendant languages Spanish or Portuguese. It has the claimed meaning only in Hebrew: “ ישׁעיהוּ   ” (i.e., yod shin-with-shin-dot ayin yod he shuruk). I’m no expert, but I’ll dare to guess a pronunciation something like 4-or-5-syllables for the Hebrew: “Yə-shæ-(ə)-yɑ-hū” [✡]. Which for what it’s worth, more-or-less agrees with Wikipedia‘s “Yəshạʻyā́hû” [✡✡].

    Sooo, ought we knuckle under to globalist-multiculturalist “ees-ah-EE-ahs” here in Florida?  Not no way, not no how! 

    Note × : “Tropical Storm Isaias forms–here’s how to pronounce it”.
    By Gabriella Nuñez, Multimedia Producer. Published: July 29, 2020, 2:25 pm. Updated: July 30, 2020, 7:09 am.
    https://www.clickorlando.com/features/2020/07/29/system-in-tropics-likely-to-become-isaias-heres-how-to-pronounce-it/. This silly “ClickOrlando.com” site-name is the Internet home of the long-established local-t.v. channel 6 (1954), owned by the (Katharine Meyer) Graham Media Group, whose flagship property was once the Washington Post.

    Note 🌴 : Named “Nuñez” and from Miami?  A reader need not be a fellow grad of the U. of Florida to confidently draw a conclusion about her ethnicity. Hint: It’s almost certainly a specific island in the Caribbean that’s remembered for the Maine.

    Note ✞: It’s awfully tempting, nowadays, to translate Latin Biblia Vulgata as “Bible of the Deplorables“.  More literally, the title’s easily misunderstood word, a participle of the verb vulg·o, -are, simply means “common”, e.g., in knowledge or usage (altho’ it can indicate the “common people” among the empire’s class-structure). The New World, the “Deplorables”,  and their Walmarts would be a millennium and more in the future. Despite his scholarly talents, in translating from the Greek or Hebrew manuscripts available to him (A.D. 390–405), Jerome kept his Latin simple, to assist readers with only elementary literacy. “St. Jerome”. By Louis Saltet (1910). The Catholic Encyclopedia, vol. 8. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08341a.htm. How can anybody possibly call anyone’s expression of Latin “simple”?  Wellllll, there was until recently the U.S. priest Reginald Foster, who was praised for his results as a teacher of Latin in Rome; he famously challenged his classes full of seminarians: “If even the dogs, prostitutes and bums in ancient Rome understood Latin, then maybe there’s some hope for us.” [✶]

    Note ✶: Reginald “Reggie” Foster, O.C.D. (1939–), where “O.C.D. is the Order of Discalced Carmelites”, literally Carmelites without footwear. He was born in Milwaukee into a family of plumbershttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginald_Foster_(Latinist). Dang!  The leftists of Wikipedia allowed him a Web page!?

    Note # : “Versions of the Bible”. By Anthony Maas. The Catholic Encyclopedia, 1912. https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15367a.htm. Not even modern Jewish archivists have Hebrew manuscripts that are are older than those which would’ve been available for Jerome to study. The Massoretes didn’t begin their efforts until the A.D. 6th Century.

    Note ❀ : William Tyndale, Miles Coverdale, or the “Authorized Version” (1611), whatevah!  I’ll leave it to Protestants herein to sort ’em out.

    Note ✡ : I used a version of the hardcopy bilingual dictionary (focused on Biblical or ancient Hebrew) by Gesenius (its English is a later translation from the German of Gesenius).

    Note ✡✡ : Most readers herein will probably want on-line sources, e.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaiah; the pronunciation is isolated in(to) its “note a”.  The “š” in Wikipedia is simply the Romanized-Slavic spelling of E.-Europe for “sh”, into which I transliterated it above. The ‘ ʻ ’ that’s shown 2 characters later is typewriter-era technology for transliterating the Semitic consonant ayin (‘ ע ’); I’ve read descriptions which claim that it sounded anciently like a sort of strangled gasp, but later a glottal stop; or it can be transcribed as the short vowel ‘e’ [✡].  Inexplicably, the article in the Jewish Encyclopedia of 1906, as hosted on line, fails to show the spelling in Hebrew: “ISAIAH”.  By Emil G. Hirsch, Thomas Kelly Cheyne, Isidore Singer, Isaac Broydé. http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/8235-isaiah.

  49. philjourdan says:

    @Jim2 & EM – I am with EM on this. We got one here in this berg and I am now a customer. It is not racist to convert your name to another language! Hell, that is why my wife calls me by my middle name (2nd Generation Mexican) as my first name in Spanish sounds like a Burt Reynolds/Dolly Parton movie! I have known that since I took Spanish in the 5th grade back in 19XX (tough! Not telling you my age).

    One of my favorite movies is “Duck You Sucker” (or its alternate name – “Fistful of Dynamite”). Rod Steiger plays Juan Miranda – a Mexican Bandit (he would be crucified today). Who teams up with an IRA veteran – James Coburn (Sean Mallory, or the anglicized, John Mallory). Juan comments how they have the same name! (If you have not seen it, it is a spaghetti western, but really the best one ever made – I highly recommend it).

    Now that Trader Joe has told the cancel culture to shove it (as if they ever patronized the stores), I will proudly support them!

    ANd I love Goya beans! Salsa picante is not bad, but the Spain influence shows.

  50. philjourdan says:

    So just how is exterminating a Black Success Story a good thing? To me, erasing her success and name is what’s racist.

    You mean the lily white SJW snowflakes calling black cops N word are racist? I am shocked I tell you! Shocked!

    You have seen the video (I think I posted on another thread):

    The democrats used the KKK for 100 years to keep blacks down. Now they are using the Woke culture to do the same. As I have said, the racism has not changed, only the tactics.

  51. philjourdan says:

    Sorry EM, unless you can use a source other than Wiki, I will not believe it. Wiki is useless as a source as they are too political.

    @HR – Jimmy Dean owned a large farm on the James river, here in Henrico county. I met him once at a fund raiser (I was working the craps table). His wife, Donna Meade, went to Varina High School the same year as my secretary (she was my secretary in the 90s when I worked for the school system). So I did not mention that to his wife when I met him (my secretary did not have nice things to say about her, but then I found out, she did not have nice things to say about many people).

    The picture you see of him in the commercial is the Plum version. I met him when him when he was the Prune version. But still a very nice Gentleman. And always smiling! Donna was about 20 years his junior. But it was not a trophy bride, but real love.

  52. jim2 says:

    philjourdan says: @Jim2 & EM – I am with EM on this.

    I am with EM on this, too! I said BUYcott. Not BOYcott!!

  53. philjourdan says:

    @BillinOz – India just sent another 30k troops to the shared border. It looks like China is going through an internal strife period (mostly due to Corona, but also now due to boycotts), so has to create external enemies to unite the people to a common goal (Vladivostok, Nepal, TIbet, India, etc.). They have a powerful ally – US democrats. That is because Biden is the Manchurian Candidate.

  54. philjourdan says:

    @jim2 – My apologies. I meant I was with EM on it NOT being racist. I am sure you feel the same in that regard as well. I was including you as being part of the BUYcott. But EM then talked about what is and is not racism.

    So sorry, I was not clearer.

    And for all (and that includes the Serioso) who are interested, my definition of racism is Woke.

    They are repeating the same things the KKK said 70 years ago. Welcome to the new racism, the same as the old racism, but by a different name.

  55. billinoz says:

    Some folks believe this implicitly. But what does the scientific evidence show ?
    In Australia BOM & CSIRO measure the CO 2 concentration in the atmosphere at isolated Cape Grimm in North West Tasmania. Below is a link to the CSIRO & BOM’s CO2 measurements going back to the 1970’s.

    And I’ve been wondering about the Cape Grimm CO2 data for a while. Would Cape Grimm ‘show’ the huge global Covid 19 shut down/lock down that started in March 2020 ?

    The global shut down reduced human CO2 emissions drastically. People stopped using their cars. Industry stopped burning coal. And this global shut down is continuing in many parts of the world as of today the 3/8/2020.( Eg, The USA, Europe, India, Brazil, Argentina, Spain, Russia. )

    But the period from March 2020 to June 2020 shows no reduction in CO2 in the atmosphere – despite the global economy virtually shutting down for three months. CO2 levels have increased from 408.3 on the 15th of February to 409.5 on the 15th of June.

    It is a huge big “Black Swan” ! In fact it disproves the whole idea that humans are causing the CO2 levels to increase.

    Conclusion : increases in CO2 in the atmosphere must be happening for other reasons.

    ( PS : Unfortunately CSIRO & BOM are only showing their measurements of CO2 at Cape Grim up to the 15th of June 2020.No July data yet !)

    The latest greenhouse gas (GHG) data updated monthly from one of the cleanest air sources in the world.

  56. E.M.Smith says:

    @Another Ian:

    The border between India and the north is one of the highest most difficult mountain ranges in the world. A natural border. Very hard for anyone to attack through. Narrow passes after a hill climb on land, with long logistics. Too high an altitude for helicopters to work well. Modern jets can now fly it, but only so much you can do by air. For China, they get to deal with that after crossing a desert from their main population areas on the coast.

    @Trader Joe’s:

    Every Friday we go to the same place about the same time. That Trader Joes usually has a line about 6 to 12 long outside. This week, only one only sometimes. So, OK, I’m in for the bUycot.

    Bought extra this trip. More in the next one. This is near / in Asia leaning very “progressive” Cupertino (of Apple H.Q. fame) on the border of Saratoga (very expensive fru fru progressive) so likely as bad as it gets. They were still doing a descent business. Not sure exactly what city it is officially in, but doesn’t matter.

    @Bill In Oz:

    Interesting idea, that….


    I was wondering about the strange name…. figured it would be gone soon so just ignore it ;-)

    I did a deep dive on bibles and their languages once. Found out both Latin and Greek had several versions not entirely mutually intelligible. Then there was EVERY SINGLE LANGUAGE I’ve ever looked into has sound shifts over time, multiple dialects, regional variations, and many are sprachtbunds.

    So my answer to anyone telling me there’s one particular approved way to spell or pronounce is to blow a raspberry at them and ask if they get the pointe? Haye thee reade Chaucer? An di’thy ken it? A drouth a wourds th’n followes.

    (Between my English Mum, Iowa Amish Irish Dad, local Californian dialect, and Texas inlaws: almost no words sound the same.)

  57. E.M.Smith says:


    I use them on non political things where the information is clearly correct for the reason that I avoid copyright issues. This will not change.

    No, I don’t like them. But as a blog operator and non-PC, I must watch out for “attack surfaces” attractive to CancelKulture Trolls.

    If you can’t be bothered to check for yourself, here’s a place with the “right” bias:

  58. Another Ian says:

    I guess E.M. is leaving before it is compulsory?

    Link at

    “O, Sweet Saint Of San Andreas: Hear my prayer.”


  59. Another Ian says:


    I found that India-China email but I can’t see how to get at it on the net to forward a link

    Makes the point that most of China’s resources are aimed elsewhere.

    So email pruned and forwarded just now – FWIW

  60. cdquarles says:

    Well, I’ve said PC is just the son of ol’ Jim Crow. So is ‘woke’ or ‘cancel culture’; and I agree that Antifa is not against fascism other than being pro-communist and anti-everything else. BLM likewise is the son of the KKK.
    Some things will never change. That’s just the way it is.

  61. Another Ian says:


    More “badge engineering” then

  62. philjourdan says:

    @EM – I already knew the back story, as I had already researched it. I was merely cautioning on using WIki for anything other than bits and bytes and even then to be suspect.

    As I stated above, welcome to Woke culture. Same as the KKK culture, only under a different name. Democrat rebranding.

  63. philjourdan says:

    @CD – You got an amen from me.

  64. Another Ian says:

    Sounds a good word to have in the vocabulary



  65. p.g.sharrow says:

    An interview of Victor Davis Hanson;

    always a wise point of view…pg

  66. E.M.Smith says:

    Looks like a huge explosion went off in Lebanon. Beruit? Couple of city blocks worth. Perhaps a ship at the docks (cranes foreground water behind).


    Bloomberg says Lebanese Media attributes it to a “fireworks depot”,… because, you know, The 4th Of July is so big there….

  67. pouncer says:

    I’d thought “Duncan Hines” bakery products were like Hewlitt Packard computers. But I was wrong. ( happens a lot ) Duncan Hines was one guy, a real life baker and restaurant critic.

    Makes me wonder how much the tech industry would differ today if the Ford, Singer, Penneys, John Deere model had been applied. Wozniak Computers? Zuckerberg Virtual Communities? Brin Websearching? Would “Don’t Be Evil” be taken any more seriously if the name your father gave you that you hope to pass to your children was, you know, Out There.

  68. jim2 says:

    Technical note on the proper technique for the deployment of pepper balls:

    [video src="https://video.parler.com/C1/ie/C1ie7wbXrnKU.mp4" /]

  69. jim2 says:

    The red smoke is indicative of an nitrate-based explosive. Not grain dust by a long shot.

  70. jim2 says:

    In recent years, the toxic fumes generated by explosives have been a concern of blasters, explosive manufacturers, and mining companies. In the western U.S., blasters have been looking for ways to control the generation of NO2, a very toxic gas that can be produced by large blasts at surface coal mines. Cast blasts, some employing as much as nine hundred thousand kg (two million lb) of explosive, may generate reddish-orange product clouds. The color is due to the NO2 in the cloud (Turcotte, Yang, Lee, Short, and Shomaker, 2002).

    Click to access bonoi.pdf

  71. philjourdan says:

    @Another Ian

    Bonus points: “ultracrepidarian”

  72. philjourdan says:

    Big Shit Oh Crap Based upon available evidence, the Israelis found some bad stuff,

  73. gallopingcamel says:

    I was fat and happy in North Carolina thinking no city leader here would ever fail to support the police and federal law enforcement.

    How wrong I was. We have wobbly leadership in Raleigh, Greensboro and several other cities. Usually the problem is at mayoral level but we also have some wimpy sheriffs.

    This is not the first time I thought about buying a hand gun but this time I am likely to act. Given my age I can no longer handle a single action revolver like my UK army standard issue Webley 38. I need something with stopping power that is easier for an arthritis sufferer to aim and fire. Any ideas?

  74. ossqss says:

    @GC, ya might look at some compact or subcompact 9mm or a 380. They are fairly easy to shoot and not too big or heavy. I have the Glock 19 in that category. 9mm with 15 rounds that is pretty painless and smallerish.

  75. H.R. says:

    @GC (& Ossqss, who is right on)

    Mrs. H.R. had a stroke and it was a few years after that we decided to get our concealed carry permits. I wanted to get one and start carrying because her limp/weakness made her look like an easy target, and I wanted a permit because my night catfishing put me out there all alone in the wee hours of the morning with some sketchy characters who would pop up from time to time.

    Training for defense and concealed carry was an eye opener. I was a life-long shooter and Mrs. H.R. grew up shooting as well (she’s a better shot than me).

    But we learned that target and hunting shooting was a whole ‘nother ball of wax from self defense, particularly the legal aspects, which vary from State to State. So I’d recommend a class or two before or after you buy if nothing but for the coaching on legalities.

    That said, Mrs. H.R. has a weak left hand and left side from the stroke. She is comfortable with revolvers, which don’t require racking a slide. But she wanted a semi-auto for capacity and compact size, so she settled in on a compact Sig Sauer .380. It was easy to rack the slide with her weak left hand (she shoots right handed).

    They run $500 to $600 (and up) but are worth every penny. It is a top quality firearm. They are a joy to shoot, deadly accurate, easily concealable, and very reliable. We’ve had no jambs or misfires ever.

    Check out a Sig Sauer .380. You can probably rent one at the range so you can try before you buy.

    You might also look into a Walther 9mm or .380. Top quality, they shoot well, they have a few no-snag models for drawing from concealment, and they are very accurate as well.

    That’s all I have for suggestions. That’s what I’ve personally shot and can endorse. There are other good ones that you may like better. Go to a range with rentals so you can try before you buy.

    And get training, or read up hard and carefully, particularly the legal aspects that will apply to your situation. State and local regulations vary a lot, so you will want to know what applies in your neck of the woods and the places you may frequent.

  76. Another Ian says:



    Lots of links

    And what’s the betting Snopes has this as “untrue”

  77. gallopingcamel says:

    @ossqss & H.R.,
    Thanks for those suggestions. Before making a decision I will take the recommended training courses. No doubt there will be opportunities to try out the weapons you suggest before buying,

    Most of my experience is with rifles (Lee Enfield Mk III and various 0.22 rifles), machine guns (Sten, Bren & Browning .300 belt fed) and 85 mm (aka 25 pounder). Hand guns are completely different so it will be like starting from scratch.

  78. Simon Derricutt says:

    G.C. – I’d suggest looking at https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2015/05/family-defensive-firearms.html since Peter Grant has more articles on shooting than you can shake a stick at, and seems to know what he’s talking about. Articles about guns start quite a way down the right-hand side, but there are many of them. It seems that even the modern air pistols can have sufficient lethality to be useful, with lower recoil.

    Maybe quite important is the shortage of supply of weapons and ammo at the moment, because a lot of people are realising that it might be necessary pretty soon. You may need to rush the decision on what to get while you still can, or to buy something non-ideal because that’s all that is available (and maybe hope to get something better when it turns up).

  79. H.R. says:

    @Simon Derricutt – You bring up an important point regarding the current shortage of firearms and ammunition.

    E.M. recently wrote a nice article on cartridge length as it relates to barrel length and getting all the energy possible out of a cartridge.

    Part of the discussion in comments was that even if the cartridge/caliber/barrel length combination is not ideal, most people really don’t like getting shot and they don’t care that it wasn’t ideal. What; are they going to complain that you didn’t put a top quality hole in them? :o)

    So your advice to get something, anything, if there is an acute shortage is pretty good. Even something far less than ideal is better than nothing at all.

  80. Simon Derricutt says:

    H.R. – luckily it appears I won’t need to get any firearms here, and there are enough lethal farm implements just outside the door (and a few inside) that I feel I could cope with any normal problem. Since I’m also out in the sticks anyway, in an area where the worst crime is normally double-parking, I don’t see the need for a firearm. My brother left a crossbow here that hasn’t even been assembled yet, which would be OK for hunting if required in an EOTWAWKI situation. There are deer around here (and deer-sized animals…). I could always make a decent rail-gun anyway.

    You’re right – making a perfect hole in someone isn’t critical, since any hole will act as a deterrent. For GC, maybe a bit of special needs for his wife, but if things get that bad then providing the recoil doesn’t hurt her too much to get a second or third shot in then it’s *good enough*. Maybe the first thing to check on is what ammo is actually available, and to buy a stock of that because guns to use that will probably be easier to get than something that uses a special load. Still, I have no expertise in this at all, so need to point at other people to give good advice. I’d think that pointing any gun at someone would act as a deterrent, even if it’s only a .22 air pistol. If you do have to fire it, though, you want it to hurt enough to actually stop someone, and that may need a heavier bullet even if it’s slower. It’s still going to be faster than they can run.

    With a bit of luck, it will never be fired in anger. The main thing is after all not being where the problem will be. However, that’s sometimes not predictable (a friend of mine missed the Hungerford massacre by around 30 minutes, and I’ve been a couple of handshakes away from a lot of the disasters over the years) so better to have the stuff even if it’s not actually used. If I lived in the States, I’d likely have bought a gun and have practised hitting what I wanted.

  81. vcmathjm says:

    An interesting idea – cheap, daily, at home testing for Covid-19. Decide weather to go out or stay home. Live talk today at 3 pm est. on MedCram.
    Q/A on How to Fix COVID-19 Testing with Dr. Mina: Cheap, At Home, Rapid Antigen Tests

  82. E.M.Smith says:


    You didn’t state just which mode caused a single action army revolver to not work for you now.

    Recoil? A heavy gun with modest cartridge of low recoil. Ruger full sized revolver with .38 special.

    Grip holding a heavy gun? Glock light weight with 9mm regular loads.

    Grip / manipulation (fingers) to handle gun & rounds in loading or rack pistol slide? Several choices from Beretra tip up barrel semiautomatic with no need to rack the slide to a light weight .410 pump shotgun with slugs (just shove rounds in the loading gate and rack the big grip on the slide)


    I have a Beretta Tomcat in .32 ACP. With specific ammo (Winchester Silvertips or Hornady equivalent) it is just enough gun. No need to rack the slide (just a small button then press the barrel back down). At one time they made a 380 ACP but they are now hard to find.

    A .410 shotgun with buck or slug is also enough gun, but capacity will be about 4 rounds then you get to use a pocket full and shove them in the loading port. A 20 gauge would be better but starts to be heavy and kick more.

    My Ruger Security Six .357 Magnum with .38 Special is a bit heavy, but easy to load and near no recoil.

    So it depends on what part hurts. Fingers, elbow, shoulder, everything….

  83. E.M.Smith says:

    Oh, and if everything hurts, get a Ruger 10/22 rifle, high capacity 25 rd magazine (or several 10s if in a PC State) and folding stock. Short enough and light weight. No recoil. Easy loading. And a half dozen or 2 of high power .22 LR rounds will stop most folks…

    One Shot Stop isn’t very important when you hit with a dozen….




    And many more…

  84. ossqss says:

    Ha! I thought I was the only one who had a Security 6. Love that gun. Got it from a friend who needed the cash more than 30 years ago. Most accurate pistol I own past 30′. 357 loads will bite you though :-)

  85. jim2 says:

    On the use of proper etiquette when dealing with Antifa …

    [video src="https://video.parler.com/1R/gW/1RgWYmuCvLy8.mp4" /]

  86. E.M.Smith says:


    I tried to do the URL unadorned and it still added the crap…
    [video src="https://video.parler.com/1R/gW/1RgWYmuCvLy8.mp4" /]

    Well worth the watching ;-)

  87. jim2 says:

    When I copy it, it looks like a “plain” url, but then when pasted, get all the additional adornment.

  88. E.M.Smith says:

    It is something WordPress is doing at display time. When I edit the comnent, the adornment is not in the text of the comment as posted.

  89. E.M.Smith says:


    And comments.




    Several folks talk about a Colt 1911 but in 9mm having a light slide racking force. Also many 380 guns from different makers with easy slide pull.

    I’ve not bought a new gun in a while, so the discussion of “the new crop of 380s” with easy slides, in the last link, was news to me. Might want to visit a gun store and handle some 380s (9mm short / kurtz/ corto)… if you can find a gun store with inventory….

  90. E.M.Smith says:

    Looks like Mossberg makes a short barrel .410 shotgun with 6 round capacity for home defense.

    Comments indicate it works for folks who don’t want kick and has large grip surfaces.

  91. jim2 says:

    A local weatherman is pulling info from this science hack page. His pick was that there will be more potent and larger poison ivy plants due to CO2 and more ticks. What about more corn and wheat? Idiot.


  92. H.R. says:

    Since you brought it up, jim2 ;o) this year looks really good for corn and beans around here.

    Most fields have been planted in Winter wheat, which was harvested a couple of weeks ago, and beans. They are looking really good. For some reason, both last year and this year, cornfields are a scarce commodity. Are the subsidies lapsing on ethanol or something like that? The few corn plantings I’ve seen are doing great, though.

    Instead of last year’s river of rain, the pattern this year has been 2-3 days of showers with only a few downpours. Then there’s 3-5 days of sun or partly cloudy in between the rains.

    It’s been a great growing season around here.

    Oh, and regardless of CO2 levels, the poison ivy around my place still doesn’t seem to like Roundup. Funny that.

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