Presidential Debate

Starting in about 3 hours, at 6 PM Pacific, is the first Presidential Debate of 2020. Cnet lists where to watch it:

Looks like RSBN has it:

Donald Trump and Joe Biden will meet in Cleveland for the first of three debates and you can stream it live.

YouTube Free streaming option Jump to details SEE AT YOUTUBE

Sling TV Costs $30 a month Jump to details SEE AT SLING TV

Hulu with Live TV Costs $55 a month Jump to details SEE AT HULU WITH LIVE TV

AT&T TV Now Costs $55 a month Jump to details SEE AT AT&T TV NOW

FuboTV Costs $60 a month Jump to details SEE AT FUBOTV

YouTube TV Costs $65 a month Jump to details SEE AT YOUTUBE TV

Those are mostly paid options. Why one would do that unless you already were subscribed is beyond me. It’s also on broadcast TV (likely most of the major brands). It is also on the free Roku Channel via their carrying the majors (ABC / NBC / CBS, etc.) and some other channels.

The “free Youtube” link takes you to CBS News live on Youtube. So this ought to work:

It is also supposedly on CSPAN and I heard one person saying it might show up on

But I didn’t see anything at the WH

While CSPAN has a tab for it

I’m sure there’s a thousand other places too.

So the major feature of this posting will be as a place to kibitz and snark ;-)

What will I be watching for? Comparing Biden minute 5 to Biden at the end. Indicia of “hype” early fading to “downer” late? Does it look like the there’s chemical help,and is it fading over time? Then, just how many gaffs / hour does he make?

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56 Responses to Presidential Debate

  1. Another Ian says:

    Suggested party recipe here

    “2020 Debates: Watch Party”

  2. Compu Gator says:

    I believe your quite surprising time calculation zigged when it should have zagged:

    I see and hear of the debate scheduled at the customary prime-time 9 p.m. ET, thus 6 p.m. PT. Pregame at 8 p.m. ET, thus 5 p.m. PT.

    Don’t forget the long-established technologies known as Amplitude-Modulation radio and Frequency-Modulation radio.

  3. pinroot says:

    PlutoTV (free streaming, no account needed) has 22 news channels, at least one (if not more) should be carrying it. So there are plenty of options for watching.

    I’ve seen a couple of memes for debate drinking games (based on the rules, I would be passed in the first 45 minutes) and a Biden bingo card. I’m no good at posting images, but they’re out there if you’re interested.

  4. E.M.Smith says:


    Yes, in the something like 2 minutes when it was wrong, you caught it. Congratulations. ( I double subtracted the 3 hours. Auto (Auto-Pilot) had auto corrected 9PM to 6PM, then me, silly me, while typing it in decided I needed to adjust it to PT by subtracting 3… )

    In my own defense, the spouse interrupted me (twice!) with Honey Dues between the first opening of the site / notice and the hitting send…

  5. cdquarles says:

    I tried to watch this, but couldn’t take it after some 5 minutes.

  6. H.R. says:

    @cdquqrles – same here, and I was looking forward to tonight’s debate, but blech!!!

    Too much Chrissy Wallace wasting and eating away Trump’s time, and to be fair, Biden’s time, too. But when Chrissy is talking, Biden can’t produce gaffes, so I suppose The Chris Wallace Monologue Show (with incidental Presidential debating) is probably helpful to Gropin’ Joe.

  7. E.M.Smith says:

    I managed to down enough wine to sit through it to the end, but….

    Geezzeee… Trump has to debate BOTH of them, and on biased questions too?

    FWIW, it did not get better over time or toward the end.

    IMHO, it was good that Biden managed to stay mostly focused and coherent to the end. Must be a time release drug… ;-)

    It will be interesting to see if he again calls a “lid” for the next day or two (where there is no event and no press contact as he is, er, recovering / drying out…)

    Frankly, as much as I support Trump, what they NEED to do is have a “You have 2 minutes uninterrupted Mr. {whoever}” AND cut the other guy’s mike off. This isn’t rocket science. IF it is supposed to be “2 Minutes for FOO” cut off the other mic.

    I’d rather see NO moderator and 2 hours of “5 Min. for Mr. Trump – Biden mic cut off” and then “5 Min. for Mr. Biden – Trump mic cut off”.

    As it is, it’s about 1/3 garble, and 2/3 “Did so! Did not!”.

  8. pinroot says:

    I watched about an hour (and had a few drinks during that time, which is why I lasted that long) then I turned the sound off. I had read in a few places (no sources at this moment) that Biden might have gotten questions in advance, and there were times when he seemed especially prepared to answer certain questions. I was really pleasantly surprised when Trump brought up the $3.5 million Hunter got from the Russian lady. Biden’s body language betrayed him on that one, in spite of his repeated (unsourced) claims that “these accusations had been debunked.” OTOH, I can’t believe Trump didn’t call Biden out on the whole “good people on both sides” statement, which is totally taken out of context.
    Out of the time I watched (the first 2/3), Biden ended more or less like he started. I don’t think that he faded too much as he went on, but that last half hour might be totally different. But to be totally honest, I was hoping for a Joe poops himself moment and I was disappointed regarding that.

  9. Nancy & John Hultquist says:

    In high school we had various public speaking type activities. In 9th grade I delivered Lincoln’s 2nd Inaugural Address about a dozen times. The next year we walked into a room and were given a topic and 15 minutes to prepare a speech. In Senior Year, there was debate, but until you arrived, you did not know which side of the issue you had to present and defend.
    The Presidential things are not debates.
    They are a sort of quasi-reality show about nothing.

    Besides, Biden appears to be a “place holder” for the woman.
    If the Harris/Biden duo win, expect Joe to be sidelined shortly after the 4th of July celebrations. He and the family will have lots of pictures of Pomp & Ceremony to remember as the Biden time fades to a memory.

  10. Jradig says:

    To think, Chris Wallace is probably going to be the best of the lot.

    Other than his first question for Trump, and his apparent buy-in on racial prison-camp seminars and global warming, I thought his questions were relevant and mostly fairly put. He even asked Joe some pointed questions, something that I don’t think is going to happen in the next two.

  11. Jradig says:

    Bongino on Hannity post debate analyzed tonight as Trump masterfully executing a brilliant strategy. He thinks this is a base election, and that by being as forceful as possible Trump was sealing up his base – cementing more support from them than he will lose from the undecided (suburban moms- my words here) who were put off by the tactics. Part 2 of the strategy was to separate Joe from his base. Clearly Trump tried to do that by focusing on the New Green Deal and socialized health care. Don’t know if it was enough to make the Bernie Bros stay home, but at lest some leftists were turned off by the first part of the ‘show’.

  12. H.R. says:

    N&JH: “The Presidential things are not debates.
    They are a sort of quasi-reality show about nothing.”

    Great description of these alleged debates.

    I vaguely recall when they were close enough to being actual debates with each candidate arguing their Party’s Platform.

    I’m just tossing this out there, but my 2¢-worth opinion is that Reagan/Carter was probably the last Presidential Debate that more or less deserved the title. Does anyone here have a different opinion as to when the debates more closely resembled debates?

  13. Another Ian says:

    Plus comments there at SDA

  14. Another Ian says:

    “Chris Wallace’s Back Must Be Sore”

    “If anyone finds an accurate count of how many times Chris Wallace rescued Joe Biden, please post it in the comments.”

  15. jim2 says:

    Wallace is in the tank for the Dimowits. His questions were selected to be most problematic for Trump. I would like to see someone like Charles Payne host the debate.

  16. cdquarles says:

    Yeah, jim2, that would be interesting.

  17. jim2 says:

    If I have the timing right, you can see the “thing” sticking out of his shirt sleeve a 3:39 minutes when he coughs.

  18. jim2 says:

    There are tubular shaped wrinkles on the shirts of both men.

  19. cdquarles says:

    Yes, that sounds about right, though they’ve been political theater all of my life. You could maybe include Reagan/Mondale, too. Thing is, to me, that I’ve noticed the ‘stylebook’ leftward bias from the 60s on and it has gotten worse, though mudslinging dates to the founding. Good politicians have always been live action role players, in my opinion. Some are so good you wouldn’t know where they really stood if you didn’t know them well enough to give you an honest opinion, when asked. Actions, though, matter.

  20. jim2 says:

    CNN this morning ran a video of an interview of the leader of the Proud Boys – I guess to prove “right wing” militias exist and are dangerous. So this is a racist group? I was looking at the leader and he looks awfully black. According to this article he’s Cuban, still could be partly black I’m thinking. But whatever the case, he ain’t a white racist. The left have no ethics and certainly no morals.

    Here’s the interview.

  21. ossqss says:

    I offer my take on things ;-)

  22. E.M.Smith says:


    Yeah, the Proud Boys leader is a mixed race / some black AfroCaribean…

    But, you see, in the demented mind set of Critical Whiteness, it isn’t actually a skin color, it’s just anyone who isn’t on board with their whole agenda.

    IMHO the whole “Critical FOO” mind set is a kind of mental illness of sloppy thinking and broken definitions. I mean really, folks in the BLM / Antifa mobs REGULARLY call black folks “White Racist!!!!!”… It would be funny if it were not so sick.

    Like “Pocahontas” calling herself Native American with 99.91% blond blue eyed European genes. Reality just does not penetrate their brains.

  23. E.M.Smith says:


    Good Catch! That looks like the sleeve mic used by secret service.

    There are micro sized hearing aids that fit entirely inside the ear canal. If they don’t already exist, it would be trivial to make a similar sized receiver for local FM. (There are whole radios AM and FM on a single tiny sized die, just add one and fix the frequency / volume, and a fractal antenna can be very small for FM at short range.)

    So my guess is that he can “mumble” into his sleeve if he needs help and then get “nudges” in the hidden earwig.

  24. jim2 says:

    EM – The trump team should do a bug sweep during the debate. It wouldn’t be difficult to have someone in the audience do it and maybe wifi it to an agent outside the arena for analysis. We know the left can’t help but lie and cheat. It’s in their genes.

  25. philjourdan says:

    Maybe Trump’s SS contingent could use a dampening field in the next debate. That would be amusing.

  26. Serioso says:

    Some years back I warned y’all that Trump is a great con man. Now I’ll not so sure. He’s good, but not that good, and he’s going down in flames in this election. I wonder if, like Hitler, he’ll commit suicide after the returns come in

  27. jim2 says:

    According to Rasmussen, after including one night of post-debate polling in its five-day rolling average, Trump’s job approval rating climbed from 46 to 49 percent, while his job disapproval number dropped from 53 to 51 percent.

    That is a six-point shift in Trump’s direction.

    Rasmussen explains, “This survey is the first to include a night of polling following the first presidential debate between Trump and Democrat nominee Joe Biden…. By next Monday morning, all 1,500 voters in the daily tracking survey will have been polled following Tuesday night’s contentious debate.”

    “The president’s approval ran in the low 50s for 10 days through the end of last week but dropped as low as 46% in the first three days of this week following his nomination Saturday of federal Judge Amy Coney Barrett to the U.S. Supreme Court,” Rasmussen adds. “Now his approval appears to be on the rise again.”

  28. jim2 says:

    Florida: Republicans added 195,652 voters while Democrats added 98,262. In 2016 Republicans added 182,983 and Democrats added 163,982 over the same time period.
    Pennsylvania: Republicans added 135,619 voters while Democrats added 57,985. In 2016 Republicans added 177,016 and Democrats added 155,269.
    North Carolina: Republicans added 83,785 voters while Democrats added 38,137. In 2016 Republicans added 54,157 while Democrats added 38,931.

  29. jim2 says:

    BET founder appears to intend to vote for Trump …

    “Where I come out as a businessman, I will take the devil I know over the devil I don’t know anytime of the week,” he said about Mr. Trump. “I would rather know who I’m going to deal with in the White House. I’m going to know what regulatory decisions they’re going to make.”

    “I know what President Trump has done and what he’s said he will do. I don’t know what Vice President Biden has said he will do other than masks, listen to the scientists,” he also said.!

  30. E.M.Smith says:

    Oh man! I knew Serioso was going a bit around the bend, but really? Jumping IMMEDIATELY to Godwin’s Law?'s_law
    “an Internet adage asserting that “as an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1″.] That is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Adolf Hitler or his deeds, the point at which effectively the discussion or thread often ends.”

    So Serioso “effectively ends” his point / discussion. Whatever it was…


    There was also some report that something like 2/3 of Latino’s thought Trump won the debate. I’d speculate it is because they are not fond of wimps and like to see someone with spunk. (Similar to my Irish / German Dad ;-)

    It only takes something like a 4% increase in Latino’s for Trump to assure a big win. He’s got way over that.

    I’ve also noticed the Dimocrats are pulling out all the stops to try to steal the election. From fraudulent push polling to declaring Biden “won” (and ignoring his dementia) and doing everything they can to assure the election is borked (by their design) and no winner can be declared for months.

    How can a party be so fundamentally evil and nasty in their behaviour? I’ve not seen one of them smile or be upbeat and positive in years.

  31. jim2 says:

    The last numbers I saw had > 20% of Blacks and > 40% of Latinos voting for Trump. On top of that, union bosses are having trouble herding the rank and file to vote for Biden.

    Trump looked like the hulk against milquetoast Biden. He really didn’t have to try. A lot of his more visceral reactions were to Biden’s bald face lying.

  32. E.M.Smith says:


    What I find amazing is just how much the Democrats are willing to do “bald faced lying”. It’s rampant in the DNC and media. They seem to think this is still 1959 and nobody has alternatives to the NBC / CBS / ABC cartel.

    Heck, I have watched LIVE various events to then have the Dimocrats try to tell me something else happened. Like trying to tell me a FELON stealing his ex’s car with her kids in it, grabbing a knife, having fought the police, is somehow a saint. Just laughable. Or Baghdad Bob on CNN saying it is a “mostly peaceful protest” with blocks of buildings on fire behind him. Or even asserting Biden is moral and honest when I’ve watched him saying “Get rid of the prosecutor of my kid or you don’t get the $Billion” in a blatant “quid pro quo” to continue a graft operation.

    I don’t know who is more stupid. The supporters of the DNC et. al. for believing that tripe, or the DNC for thinking the rest of us will buy it too.

    There’s a reason basically every police organization in the country is endorsing Trump and running away from the DNC. Blatant political corruption by the DNC and abandonment of their police.

  33. ossqss says:

    Pretty much this election is about….

    Do you want the lifestyle you earned or better.


    Do you want something less.

    It is pretty much the guaranteed ~ based on who wins and if you actually work for a living.

  34. Jradig says:

    IN RETROSPECT, I’M SURPRISED HOW WRONG I WAS in my comment above saying that Wallace’s questions were mostly relevant and fairly put. Maybe it was Trump’s flouting of the rules, or all the cross talk that threw me off, Or maybe I’m just so used to how horrid the lefties have been in the past that I’ve become numb.
    Here’s a nice summary, – most of which I missed.

  35. Serioso says:

    I will be judged accurate or not in about a month. Will you?

    [Reply: You put .cpm instead of .com on your email so this one and the next went to moderation as a new email address. Might want to check what your browser has saved. Oh, and will I what? Be judged? Happens every day by all sorts of people.]

  36. Serioso says:

    I will be judged accurate or not in about a month. Will you? The question is not a comparison between Trump and Hitler, but whether a loser can survive rejection. We will see. Assuming Trump loses in a catastrophic way, will he survive? I will bet against it.

  37. H.R. says:

    I’m still trying to figure out how I’ve been conned. Isn’t President Trump just doing what he said he’d do?

    But if so, as Oliver Twist would say, “Please sir. May I have some more?”

    I like more, money, more jobs, near full employment, severely curtailed illegal immigration, fewer drugs being smuggled in, less human trafficking, turbocharged 401k, non-activist judges, boots in the US and not getting killed in pointless foreign entanglements, possible peace in the Mid-East, and many other good things.

    More con, please. I’d like a double helping.

  38. jim2 says:

    Trump and Melania have tested positive for covid and may actually have it. Markets around the world are tanking.

  39. jim2 says:

    One of my comments at Climate Etc. was deep-sixed. I recounted the events documented by the various videos of Rittenhouse’s actions. He was trying to get away, i.e. backing off, but couldn’t. The probably antifa higher-up who fired the hand gun in the air, then Kyle taking out his immediate and very close pursuer. Then Kyle again trying to run away. That’s the short version.

    Probably (possibly?) what got the comment canned was the last part, roughly: “The idiots kept pursuing him and the idiots got exactly what they deserved.” I stand by that as completely accurate.

  40. A C Osborn says:

    President Trump was using the Biden Debate method against Biden.
    In 2012 Biden interrupted Ryan throughout their VP debate.

    And was just as rude then as he was against Trump.

  41. beththeserf says:

    I just hope President Trump and his wife are taking the Hydroxoquinine and Zinc treatment for their own sake and for the country. This is bad news!

  42. E.M.Smith says:


    Yeah, just saw that on the Roku. So now we wait 2 weeks. I’m betting he’ll go with hydroxychloroquine and be fine. Plus, he’s outdoors enough to have good Vit. D status (plus maybe a tanning bed helps? He does have tanning bed raccoon eyes some times ;-)

    The next couple of weeks will be interesting. Especially if Pence turns up positive too… Even a temporary Potus Pelosi would be a real horror show…

    IF we’re lucky, Biden got it at the debate…

    Per Kyle:

    Yeah, saw where Kyle’s lawyer announced a law suit in progress against Biden for a tweet talking about “white supremacists” with a picture of Kyle holding his A.R. Gee, I thought Gretta was immune from criticism as she is a teenager… so doesn’t 17 year old Kyle also get that pass? Isn’t it “Child Abuse” and Child Endangerment” to plaster his photo globally with the lie that he’s a “white supremacist”?

    Oh Well…

  43. E.M.Smith says:


    THE key characteristic of entrepreneurs is that they expect to fail several times before they hit one big. Trump will not be bothered by any failure. He’ll just pick up and start anew.

    The bigger question is how the country would collapse under a Biden “win”. (In quotes as “The art of the Steal” is more accurate for DNC actions). Since we know it would be a Harris administration, the rampant Socialism and “Get woke go broke” on a national scale would be rapidly catastrophic.

    During all that, Trump could be comfortably retired anywhere on the planet with a golf course and having a great time.

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  45. H.R. says:

    I don’t worry much about billionaires who give up a lot of money to become politicians (everything goes into a blind trust) so much as I worry about politicians who become multi-multi-millionaires on a Senate or House salary.

    Can someone explain how that works?

  46. tom0mason says:

    Much has changed but so much has stayed the same …

  47. E.M.Smith says:


    How it works:

    A new elected member of congress hands over huge amounts of money to the DNC to buy a committee seat or leadership. Nominally called “Dues”. From those positions of power, they control what legislation gets a hearing, and passed. For this “decision making”, they charge larger sums of money from the various lobby groups. The one that hands over the most gets the laws they want (or gets removed the laws / regulations they want removed). Those that don’t pay up, find themselves faced with ruinous new laws / regulations… so have an incentive to pay more next time.

    As the cash rolls in, said Senators, Representatives, Department Heads, etc. “get the memo” about which industries will be destroyed and which given a big helping hand. Then they can “invest accordingly” in their portfolios. (Some have made a few million just off of buying a stock or three just before a law passes handing them a huge windfall profit…)

    When tired of running, the “official” will give it one last big re-election push of asking for more big fat campaign “contributions”, then run a dirt cheap desultory campaign (that lets them keep most of the “donations” in their own slush fund…). After their “loss”, they can use that money to leverage other politicians so that their (now quite fat) stock portfolio continues to balloon nicely…

    Some, like Al Gore, have even better ideas. Al Gore arranged for the Elk Hills Naval Oil Reserve to be sold to an oil company where he had a large ownership stake. Just have the government sell you $Millions of assets for not very much. Easy peasy.

    Others, like Biden, use withholding of U.S. “Foreign Aid” blackmail to enrich their family with big paying jobs doing nothing. Or like The Clintons, launder some “foreign aid” into purchases / funding of their own operations. This one has a great many variations, I’m sure. “Foreign Aid” is a big budget and nearly none shows up in the hands of the people it is supposed to help. The Clinton Foundation also pioneered using a “Charitable Foundation” to launder bribes for high ranking officials. Raking in $Millions per “decision” by the Dept. Of State.

    So that’s how it’s done. All just in my opinion, of course. I could be wrong. I’m mostly guessing how it is done.

    I’ve likely missed out on many of the more intricate or arcane techniques, but hey, I’m just a Noob at this political corruption stuff… so I’m sure I’m incomplete.

  48. H.R. says:

    Don’t forget the speeches, E.M.
    $10k – $25k for a half hour +/- Speech About Nothing (thanks, Seinfeld!) at a 5-star resort where the crook & spouse are booked in for three days, all expenses paid.

    And then there are those ‘fact finding’ missions to Paris where they somehow miss finding any facts, but manage to find quite a few Paris boutiques.

  49. Joe Biden walks into a bar and sees a pretty, young blonde chick…… He sits down next to her and says “So, do I come here often?”

  50. Edda Muckel says:

    What is Kamala Harris’ favorite kind of charcuterie?….Proseciutto

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