Pennsylvania Falling?

So is the Pennsylvania vote now “unconstitutional” or is this just the latest zig and zag?

Dr. Steve Turley on it:

Not familiar with this source, but the MSM seems silent at the moment:

BREAKING: PA Judge STOPS Certification — Rules Pennsylvania Election Likely Unconstitutional And Gives State Legislators Power To Choose Electors
by A.M. Smith about 13 hours ago

A Pennsylvania appeals court judge ordered state officials on Wednesday to halt any further steps toward certifying election results, a day after Gov. Tom Wolf said he had certified Democrat Joe Biden as the winner of the presidential election in Pennsylvania.

Wolf’s administration quickly asked the state Supreme Court to block the ruling from taking effect, saying there was no “conceivable justification” for it.

“Since the birth of our nation nearly 250 years ago, no court has ever issued an order purporting to interfere with a state’s ascertainment of its presidential electors – until today,” the administration said in its motion.

Commonwealth Court Judge Patricia McCullough, a Republican, had issued the order and set a hearing for Friday. It wasn’t immediately clear if she intended to hold up the certification of state and local contests on the ballot or interrupt the scheduled Dec. 14 meeting of the state’s 20 electors.

She came back with more good news or Trump’s legal team as late in the night, Judge Patricia A. McCullough ruled that PA preliminary ELECTION CERTIFICATION injunction was PROPERLY ISSUED and should be upheld and that gives state legislators power to choose electors.

She issued a HUGELY favorable opinion

Of Note:
– Commonwealth barred from taking ANY further steps to certify results
– Issues raised found to be of “statewide and National concern”
-“likelihood to succeed on the merits”

“Additionally, Petitioners appear to have established a
likelihood to succeed.”

“..the Court respectfully submits that the emergency preliminary injunction was properly issued and should be upheld pending an expedited emergency evidentiary hearing
From the memorandum:

“Petitioners appear to have established a likelihood to succeed on the merits because Petitioners have asserted the Constitution does not provide a mechanism for the legislature to allow for expansion of absentee voting without a constitutional amendment.


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54 Responses to Pennsylvania Falling?

  1. philjourdan says:

    Pa is the low hanging fruit. Trump will win that one. But he needs more.

  2. V.P. Elect Smith says:

    Looks like Pennsylvania Supreme Court has said ~”Nevermind that it’s unconstitutional, you can conform to the law next time”…

    Pa. Supreme Court shoots down another Trump campaign effort to invalidate presidential election results
    Updated 7:58 PM; Today 7:17 PM
    By Charles Thompson |

    The Pennsylvania Supreme Court has dismissed a case brought by U.S. Rep. Mike Kelly, R-Butler County, who unsuccessfully argued that Pennsylvania’s mail-in ballot provisions violate provisions of the state constitution.

    The justices, in a 5-2 decision, ruled Kelly’s challenge should have been brought before the state ran primary and general elections with the new procedure. The law allowing wider voting by mail was enacted in 2019 and used for the first time in this year’s primary and general elections.

    Dissenters Thomas Saylor and Sally Mundy, the two Republicans on the seven-member court, felt the case should be heard on its merits, but they concurred with the majority in saying that even they would not be willing to set aside this year’s results since the campaign had fully played out under the new rules.

    So, does that mean that if I rob 2 banks I get off free because they ought to have charged me after the first one?

  3. Nancy & John Hultquist says:

    All the states that tried to rush mail voting were told they would create a mess. Cue Kim Wyman – – Washington Secretary of State.
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _
    I still expect to see Trump disposed and hounded until he dies by those with DTS.
    My hope is that DJT, because of these actions, will generate enough backlash that the House of Rep will flip in 2 years and Harris/Biden and Pelosi’s replacement will have to deal with very unsupportive people.
    A new republican president in 4 years can try to un-do all the damage done by the loony squad.

  4. President Elect H.R. says:

    Nancy & John Hultquist – If the cheat stands, there will never be another fair election. Two years is enough to armor up, cement in place, and anchor Dem cheating so that no other party will ever regain power.

    This one is for all the string, marbles, and chalk.

  5. President Elect H.R. says:

    V.P. Elect Smith, I think just about every ruling will be appealed to the Supreme Court.

    I have been pretty much ignoring the rulings so far. I do take interest in the cases presented, but I’m sure each side is going to appeal all the way up. So, we shall see.

    The cases I don’t fully get are Sidney Powell’s cases in Georgia and Michigan. They are civil suits and only depend on a preponderance of the evidence. That’s good because there’s enough evidence to win. The remedies being sought are spelled out at the end of her filing.

    But having read through (I confess, not slowly and thoroughly) the Georgia case, some criminality is alleged. and I don’t know how that is followed up on. I’m not sure how that works. It has to be handed over to a prosecutor, but I don’t know how it’s done, and I suspect a complicit Dem prosecutor can just decline to prosecute. I dunno.

  6. V.P. Elect Smith says:

    @Prez Elect H.R.:

    Say some guy breaks into your house and takes your TV and sells it. He says “Hey, I thought it was my house, sorry”. You can’t prove criminal intent, but you can get a civil judgment that he needs to buy you a new TV…

    Say the same guy instead of saying “Sorry” is on camera saying to his buddy “Let’s boost this place, I know the owner is out of town and we can score a TV to sell.” That gets handed to the D.A. who may or may not prosecute and may or may not win, depending on all the particulars. BUT, you can still have a civil suit that says “I want him to buy me a new TV.”

  7. beththeserf says:

    Link to Jo Nova to raise the Judge Jerome Corsi video I mentioned in earlier thread. This sounds like compelling argument on Supreme Court Process and Trump’s chance of victory to me. My comment includes the link. Rick Will gives the gist.

    November 29, 2020 at 4:16 pm ·
    Jerome Corsi at 36.00 on. The republicans can go to bat with his argument..Supreme court decides what’s constitutional, doesn’t prove facts of a case.

    November 29, 2020 at 9:47 am ·
    Corsi’s approach is to take the case straight to the supreme court on the basis that Trump voters were not given equal rights on Election Day. That is unconstitutional and could be swayed simply on preponderance of statistical evidence rather than actual fact.
    There will be an e-book released on Monday to explain this approach. Trump should get favourable treatment at the the Supreme Court. Corsi states that Justice Thomas would welcome the opportunity to have a case for Biden before him.
    Corsi indicates that Trump should aim for a ruling before 14th December – the clock is ticking.
    If the PA legislature dismisses the vote on similar grounds then that will support any arguments for Trump voters in the Supreme Court – really interesting next two weeks.

  8. I’ve read so much stuff for both sides of this that I don’t know what to think/believe. At this point, I’m basically hoping for the best (Trump wins) but preparing for the worst (Biden wins). And even if Trump wins, the left is going to go absolutely insane, so best prepare for that too.

  9. gallopingcamel says:

    Trump won bigly on election night.

    I went to bed at 2 a.m. noting that he was 15% ahead in Pennsylvania which was enough to offset the cheating predicted in Philadelphia (assumed to be ~5%) . Somehow the cheating was on a more massive scale (>700,000 votes). The FBI should have arrested the perpetrators by now but perhaps they are complicit.

    If the Democrats can get away with stealing Pennsylvania this year they will win every future election regardless of the votes cast. This country will be a larger version of Venezuela.

  10. beththeserf says:

    Same, gc, such strange stats, Like Biden throwing heads over ‘n over and over again to break the Bank of Monte Carlo.

  11. V.P. Elect Smith says:

    They had a built in electronic “diddle” via Smartmatic / SCYTL that was way more than enough to beat any likely result (shown by analysis of odd vote swapping where Trump vote drops by the same amount Biden increases and by the ‘margin’ on vote counts being constant for a few hours in a precinct then, on queue with central server update, that margin shifts to another precinct and again repeats for a long while, rinse and repeat; and more). But that wasn’t enough.

    On the night of the count, it was absolutely clear Trump was winning in an historic landslide. Overwhelming their planned software diddle. So what had to happen? Emergency huddle… Vote counting was halted in the necessary key states. Between about 2 AM and 6 AM, while Republican observers had been sent home / locked out, bales of manufactured ballots showed up and were added to the system. You can see this in the data where at a moment in time Biden jumps up by 100K scale votes with Trump getting near nothing. Just not physically going to happen in the real world. Trump would get more than that just from mistakes and the odd surly curmudgeon votes. Furthermore, in those same States, down ballot, the Republicans won big, while the Biden Bales often had no down ballot votes (undervoted). Classic fraud indicia.

    As noted, if this Big Steal succeeds, it will be done in every single election forever going forward. This is absolutely blatant, everyone knows it, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court even said it violated their constitution, but then said “Never mind, Biden stole it fair and square” in essence.

    So what have the Democrats learned from this?

    Own the Governors, D.A.s and courts of the States, you own the nation. Run the crooked voting machines and you win the rest. Blackmail and intimidation work, use them on everyone in your way. (Georgia Rep. canvassers which see…)

    You will find that “Covid” becomes the excuse to mandate mail in ballots and voting machines nation wide, and a “commission” (curiously made up of mostly Democrats and a few RINOs) will confirm that the machines are wonderfully secure and just dandy.

    They can do no other. They are the scorpion crossing the river…

  12. jim2 says:

    So, what would be an ideal, from a fraud prevention perspective, voting system.

    I’m thinking print OMR bubble ballots with a GUID in invisible ink on the back, but viewable under UV-C light. The record of GUIDs is saved on WORM discs. The ballots are distributed to the polling places with that batch of GUIDs again saved to WORM discs. Absentee ballots are sent using the double-envelope method with a request and signature required. Any request is first validated against the death records and records of people who have moved. In-person voting uses the same ballots picked from a shuffled deck of ballots. In no case, can the GUID be correlated with the ID of a voter. However, the GUID can be used to show the ballot is a legal one.

    If a voter messes up a ballot, they have to blot out the original bubble with a special marker and fill in the corrected bubble.

    Ballots are counted by OMR scanning machines.

    I’m sure there is more that could be done, but it seems this would be a good start.

  13. Ed Forbes says:

    Another challenge

    Wisconsin Supreme Court Petitioned to Declare All Drop-Box Ballots Illegal, Block Certification
    The lawsuit states that over 500 ballot drop boxes were illegally installed in 72 counties throughout the state in violation of the law. The complaint goes on to state that the Wisconsin Elections Commission did not have the authority, under Wisconsin election law, to establish or approve their use.

  14. V.P. Elect Smith says:


    You’ll be able to sell the idea better if you include “blockchain technology” somewhere. (Even if just the marketing blurb ;-) It’s the current Tech Hot Button Wunderkind.

    I’d include a “scan at insertion” which we had here in California but I’d add “And print out a receipt for the voter”. Include “cameras on every counting station and box of votes 100% of the time streaming to the internet with close-ups of ballots” along with real time display of the total count AND a full archive of everything, publicly accessible (read only of course…)

    When a person shows up to vote, they show ID. No ID? They get a temporary ID WITH FINGER PRINTS and are allowed to vote provisionally. DNA swab maybe optional… That ID gets matched to known identity databases to assure only voted one time one place.

    Every registered voter gets matched to all recorded deaths and address changes prior to the PRIMARY and again prior to the main vote. After the match, new registrations are shut off other than “day-of, provisional, with finger printing”. Anyone moving in from out of State has a 30 days exclusion window prior to the election. (No busing in a load of folks and registering at the local hotel…) Live there a month, then you can vote there.

    ALL ballots on paper, counted by hand, on video tape, with the counter and a representative from each party who wishes to send one, confirming the validity of the counter. Every table. Every ballot. No exceptions.

    All voting and counting is by precinct (none of this 3 million people who can vote at any station so you can’t see anomalous patterns where a deep blue or deep red precinct is suddenly just full of ‘the wrong votes’…). Precincts small enough you can’t drop 10,000 ballots at any one place and not have it noticed. Totals for each precinct published as they count / complete before being sent up to the central station for Diddling…

  15. V.P. Elect Smith says:

    Gee… Just as millions of Trump Voters Dump Fox and move to NewsMax for real conservative friendly news, they get a copyright slam on LBRY and Odysee:

    “In response to a complaint we received under the US Digital Millennium Copyright Act, we have blocked access to this channel from our applications.”

    Now since NEWS and COMMENTARY are specifically Fair Use under copyright law, and NewsMax is a NEWS show, I’d like to know how that one is supposed to work…

    Looks like their Pluto channel is still running:

    Their web site is still there:

    Gee, I wonder what news they reported might have been so ‘sensitive’ to get a full on jihad against them even on minor carriers like LBRY and Odysee? What’s on their front page?:

    Sen. Paul Calls Out ‘Anomalies in Vote Counts,’ Big Tech
    Sen. Rand Paul tweeted Sunday that President Donald Trump’s “margin of ‘defeat'” was covered by overnight “data dumps” in four key battleground states. [Full Story]


    Oddly, the YouTube link is still working.

    Not seeing anything in the content that would be an issue with copyright.

  16. V.P. Elect Smith says:

    Michele Malkin on how the Big Steal was done (including an interview showing in the Philippines they have been ballot diddling for a decade, complete with machines showing up pre-loaded with ballots prior to the start of voting…

  17. jim2 says:

    V.P. Smith, so I assume you don’t actually desire a block chain? That would involve a computer and that is the path to damnation.

  18. V.P. Elect Smith says:

    No, I don’t want blockchain voting in any way. BUT, you want to work it into the pitch. Like “And after tabulation and summation the values are added to a blockchain audit trail” (and leave out the ‘by hand entry’ part ;-)

  19. billinoz says:

    I wonder if you Americans even ponder how this business is seen by outsiders in other countries.

    I suggest a mixture of bewilderment, total befuddlement, outright laughter and even ‘schaudenfraud’.

    And this is the world’s champion of Democracy ?

    Your friends are hoping you will get your sh$t together. But not so your frenemies.

  20. jim2 says:

    billinoz – You are no doubt right about what outsiders think. In many cases they don’t have much room to gloat considering the people in their governments. Just sayin’.

    The US is a Republic, not a democracy. Democracy is not desirable, it is rule by the mob. I think our system of government is more resistant to centralization of power than most and I wouldn’t change that for the world.

    I would definitely change the way we vote. The current mess is in part caused by the Dimowit party’s attempt to circumvent the protections noted above. They cheated and lied. And even before now they have fought tooth and nail every attempt to make our elections secure. What can I say other than they suck.

  21. Simon Derricutt says:

    I’d suggest that even having the capability of changing the votes (even if you can’t prove it was actually done) is a reason to consider the Dominion voting system untrustworthy, and that the ability to print out a changed ballot also invalidates the printed ballots that were subsequently counted by hand. Surely the software on the machines can be decompiled to check for what it can do? Given the allegations of electoral fraud, it should be legally possible to demand the source of the software and to check that the machines actually are running that version.

    The states in which those voting machines were used thus can’t prove that the vote was actually correct. The figures showing some counties with over 100% of the registered voters having voted also need a thorough investigation.

    Overall, I’m pretty amazed that I keep hearing “there is no evidence of voter fraud” on the YSM. It does seem that a fair number of the TLAs must also be corrupted, as well as a large proportion of the media.

  22. V.P. Elect Smith says:



    IMHO, just reading the users manual where it allows for vote changing and proportional thumb on the vote scale (i.e my votes count 1.5 yours count 0.5) invalidates the election. You simply can not have a valid election with that as core function of the machines (and machines operated by people…)

  23. jim2 says:

    Arizona hearings live! Very impressive!

  24. p.g.sharrow says:

    I have been accumulating quite a stash of videos on this on going Scytl / Smartmatic / Dominion vote system fraud.
    The fourth one in comments includes the use of the “Green Button” and the need to force people to use Sharpie pens during in person voting.. A feature not an Error

  25. DoNoNorth says:

    Are our laws big and strong enough to handle a full frontal assault on one of the foundations of the Republic? Or like a termite-infested tree, will they crack under the stress – revealing the multi-decadal destruction that has been wrought by the Regressives and Oligarchs?

  26. V.P. Elect Smith says:

    Hey, H.R.:

    In that BCP video that P.G. points at, Patrick Burn says he wants to be called:
    President Elect Patrick Burn.

    I think maybe you started something… ’cause I only first saw that P.E. thing here, and not anywhere else for a good while…

    The P.G. link has collected some very good videos.

  27. President Elect H.R. says:

    @V.P. Elect Smith 😉

    I thought of it almost immediately after reading about it over on the TreeHouse where the YSM had started pushing that narrative. I figured, hey! I was just as much President Elect as anyone else at this point. But I was not the first to use it.

    I didn’t want to use it right away on the Treehouse because the volume of comments has been h-u-u-g-e lately on the Treehouse, and they still only have the same six moderators they have had for years. If everyone started using it, it would put an unbearable load on the mods.

    Very soon, I did see it used in a tweet someone pasted-posted there, so it’s clear that the thought had to have occurred at the same time to numerous people when the YSM started pushing the meaningless “President Elect” Biden crap-narrative to bolster their forgone conclusion gaslighting.

    But I also did know that, though you have a lot more readers than commenters, the number of regular commenters who would adopt the practice here would be quite manageable by our host-moderator-admin-chief-cook-and-bottle-washer-janitor-sole-operator of this blog.

    So I started using it here along with a tip to you that I would have something in the moderation queue. Yes, your blog was very early out of the gate and might have been first had I rushed over here to start posting as President Elect H.R. Alas, no. First use went to someone else.

    Then I accidently used it over on the TreeHouse when I forgot to edit one of my comments from President Elect H.R. to just plain H.R. They use the same whitelist system, so once it cleared, it didn’t matter over there anymore.

    It has been used a good bit on Twaddler and a few at the TreeHouse went ahead and used it. I winced, thinking of the poor mods if it were to really catch on.

    I suppose you are checking the moderation queue a bit more regularly than the usual ‘whenever’ to liberate any of your commenters who decide to make the switch for now.

    I tried to get our overseas commenters to bite on this, because it’s really quite the poke in the eye that they are just as much President Elect as Biden is right now. There is NO President Elect – no-one, so everyone is Biden’s equal in that respect, even non-citizens – until the Constitutional process runs its course. Then there is only one.

  28. jim2 says:

    Some of these witnesses are really impressive. One was doing research at MIT at the age of 14.

  29. p.g.sharrow says:

    Talking to my sister in Susanville, she says she was required to use one of those wet “Sharpie” pens to fill out her ballot while in person voting.
    The use of the Sharpie was needed to invalidate her original ballot and send the copy to be reconcile later in the tabulator machine.
    Anyone that used those Sharpies voted for Biden in the tabulation results!

  30. jim2 says:

    Arizona hearing:

  31. President Elect H.R. says:

    Thank you, jim2.

    I watched most of the Pennsylvania hearing live and it was fascinating, too. I had PT today and some chores, so I didn’t tune into the AZ hearing today.

  32. jim2 says:

    There is one techie who has a network activity diagram centered on Dominion units. Nice :)

  33. beththeserf says:

    Thx Jim 2 for posting the Arizona Hearing. Listening to it for half the day but it was worth it! Evidence presented of voting f**d through a vulnerable chain of custody. The closing statements of the hearing committee were great, historical references and resolve. Hope they can turn the tide.

  34. jim2 says:

    Michigan hearing Rightside Broadcasting

  35. V.P. Elect Smith says:

    The Michigan hearing was something…

    FWIW, checking NEWSMAX at LBRY and Odysee to see if they had lifted the temporary “Copyright strike”, they both now have ZERO content. Just gone. No message. In fact, Odysee asks me if I want to post some content, as though the name is available…

    Yet YouTube and Pluto are still up… Go figure.

    So I wonder who shot down Newsmax at Odysee and LBRY and what does that mean for their “stature” as alternative providers who won’t censor…

  36. President elect A C Osborn says:

    So the department of NON justice DOJ AG has finally comme out as a backstabbing anti Trumper.
    Declaring that there is no significant Voting fraud.
    The guy has done absolutely nothing to support his President since he took the job.
    He ignored the President’s requests to release the Russiagate and crossfire data and to invetigate the BIdens, allowed crooked FBI & DOJ agents to walk away without punishment, allowed the Democrats to impeach his President when he had the data to clear him, allowed the MUeller team to wipe their phones during an investigation in to their conduct.

    And the MSM and talking heads have the outright nerve to say that he was a Trump supporter.

  37. Simon Derricutt says:

    To me, it seems a bit like going into a card game with a set of marked cards, and then telling people there’s no evidence of them having been used as you walk out with the pot. AFAIK, the possession of marked cards (or weighted dice) in a casino is sufficient evidence to kick that person out and refuse to pay the winnings. You don’t need to have positive proof that they have been used.

    I thus don’t understand Barr’s statement of there being no evidence, unless he’s been threatened with suicide of himself or his family.

    Looking at Jo Nova, it seems the really obvious errors (780% of electoral roll actually voted) have been corrected, giving people some leeway to claim “no evidence”. Give people enough time, and the official records can be changed to remove evidence, and at least some computer logs can be edited or erased. If you have people in the right places, any evidence can be disappeared. However, it’s somewhat hard to pull back on the stopping of the counts being synchronised, or the votes being stated to a precision of 0.001 of a vote.

    I’d hope the Supreme Court does actually get to see the evidence, but it’s starting to look like the TLAs will hide it.

  38. jim2 says:

    “Some media outlets have incorrectly reported that the Department has concluded its investigation of election fraud and announced an affirmative finding of no fraud in the election,” the spokesperson said. “That is not what the Associated Press reported nor what the Attorney General stated. The Department will continue to receive and vigorously pursue all specific and credible allegations of fraud as expeditiously as possible.”

  39. V.P. Elect Smith says:


    Rather remarkable ruling. Now we find out if it stands up to appeal as it is just a District Court:

  40. agimarc says:

    One of the things I did was support the PeopleSoft system at the Municipality of Anchorage for nearly 20 years. Every year the auditors showed up for a few months and gave us our yearly amateur proctology exam. Sarbanes-Oxley and Dodd-Frank apply to local governments, financial institutions and most large corporations. They require the ability to completely audit both the software and systems that software runs on. Logs are closely inspected. There is even a security component.

    Yet we are running a voting software package (Dominion) in nearly 30 states that is a black box, closed, proprietary, and incapable of being audited. There is at least one report of an update pushed to the connected systems the weekend before the election. If true, that update was never tested or verified.

    Maybe an early reform demand ought to be for a completely auditable voting system. And if your state doesn’t have that, those machines make great doorstops. Cheers –

  41. jim2 says:

    OK, as it turns out, that is a PROPOSED ruling. I think it may have been composed by the campaigns legal team (TLT), it isn’t signed or dated. The defendants have 21 days to respond. Or if the TLT can get the defendants on the phone with the judge, the hearing can be expedited. She is an Obama judge, so I’m not expecting much to come of it.

  42. Quail, Vice President of the Compost Pile. Long may it steam. says:

    Breitbart exposes Lin Wood as a Democrat:
    “Georgia-based attorney Lin Wood is getting lots of attention for urging supporters of President Donald Trump to break with the president and not vote for GOP Sens. David Perdue (R-GA) and Kelly Loeffler (R-GA) in the upcoming January 5 runoff elections.

    Wood’s public comments run counter to President Trump’s own public statements and wishes, as the president has repeatedly urged his supporters to support Loeffler and Perdue and is heading to Valdosta, Georgia, on Saturday to rally with the GOP senators. Wood’s comments are also in line with what top national Democrats are pushing for, as Breitbart News has reported a national anti-Trump Democrat Super PAC called “Really American PAC” is running billboards carrying a message nearly identical to what Wood is saying.

    While Wood made his comments purportedly as a self-described supporter of Trump, while donning a red “Make America Great Again” ball cap, the real story here is that Wood is by no means a Republican and there is no record in Georgia of him ever voting for President Trump—in 2016 or in 2020—in the Republican primaries. While Wood did vote in the 2020 and 2016 general elections in Georgia—there are no records in Georgia of him pulling a GOP primary ballot in 2016 or 2020, the two years President Trump was on the ticket. Ironically, in both the 2020 and 2016 general elections, state records show that Wood voted absentee—by mail—in Georgia, part of the same system he is now railing against.”


  43. jim2 says:

    Georgia fraud hearing today …

  44. V.P. Elect Smith says:


    Thanks! Watching it now…

  45. V.P. Elect Smith says:

    2nd half:

  46. jim2 says:

    Revisiting the GUID concept, a GUID is a globally unique identifier which is a large number:

    If ballots were labelled with a GUID in the form of a barcode, a ballot could be ID’ed as legitimately issued, or not. Also, if the tabulation machine could record along with the data the GUID and duplicate GUIDs would be discarded. This would eliminate the issue of reprocessing ballots multiple times and also add forensic evidence of potential wrong doing. If the GUIDs and their order of creation were available, a batch of ballots that should be essentially random, could be identified if instead they are in sequential order, another forensic flag.

    A human wouldn’t be able to determine, even with a barcode enabled phone, if the ballots were sequential or not.

  47. V.P. Elect Smith says:


    Very interesting idea. Essentially a unique serial number for a ballot for all time. Those mailed out are noted and the count sealed. Now any ballot counted must be in the range sent (via by mail or to a polling place) and all sent out can be accounted for (voted, spoiled, returned un-voted) along with a comparison of #voters logged in (via mail count or in person sign in) vs #ballots voted.

    I like it!

  48. Ed Forbes says:

    Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito asked officials in Pennsylvania to file briefs by Tuesday at 9 a.m. in response to a lawsuit filed by Rep. Mike Kelly (R-Pa.) in a bid to overturn the state’s election results.

    Tuesday, notably, is the “safe harbor” deadline that requires controversies surrounding elections to be ended so states can choose their electors before the Dec. 14 meeting of the Electoral College. Alito initially called for response arguments by 4 p.m. Wednesday, Dec. 9, before it was changed.

    Justice Alito Moves up Supreme Court Deadline in Key Pennsylvania Mail-In Ballot Case
    The Tuesday, Dec. 8 deadline could be a signal that the Supreme Court takes up Kelly’s case, which was shot down by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court last weekend. Kelly has argued that the 2019 Pennsylvania law, Act 77, violates Pennsylvania’s state Constitution and the U.S. Constitution with its “no-excuse mail-in” voting provision. Kelly’s lawsuit was joined by GOP congressional candidate Sean Parnell and others.


  49. V.P. Elect Smith says:

    @Ed Forbes:

    I think someone pointed out to them that if they didn’t respond until the 9th, then the 8th “Safe Harbor” was not granted as that requires that all disputes be resolved and a case open at the SCOTUS would certainly not look very “resolved”… thus tossing out the Safe Harbor.

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