Gov. Nuisance Issues California 3 Week Stay At Home Order

Well this sucks.

Gov. Nuisance (Newsome) has issued a new complicated Royal Decree. He divides the State into 5 regions. First off, why not do it by County? Or 20 regions? Or major urban vs rural? Then, any time the ICU empty capacity in those regions falls below 15% FOR ANY REASON (but assumed Chinese Wuhan Covid), everyone is supposed to be under a 3 week “Stay at home” order. (This is in addition to the 10 PM “curfew”…)

It doesn’t matter if the very next day ICU empty rises to 25%, you are still under house arrest for 3 weeks.

Oh Joy.

L.A. expected to go under in the next few days / week. Where I am some time later in the month, maybe.

But what about that Constitutional Freedom of Religion and Peacefully to Assemble? (for ANY reason, the Constitution does not limit for what)

The only good news is that many County Sheriffs have said they will not fully enforce it. (Fully? Details TBD?) So mostly this will be enforced by the City Police and State Highway Patrol. City police who, I thought, The Left was busy defunding? Good motivator there…

I get the strong impression that Gov. Nuisance is setting himself up for one epic fail.

FWIW, IF, for whatever reason, I’m stopped and threatened, I’m going to simply state “I’m on the way to the Hospital, I don’t feel well.” (Cough cough…)

As there is a Kaiser Facility just about any direction I might want to go, I’m pretty well covered. And, in fact, I would then proceed to Kaiser (and ask for the free seasonal flu shot ;-)

Some additional information:

First up, Tim Pool reporting on it and citing some other sources.

Then print:

Citing a record level of coronavirus hospitalizations and rapidly filling intensive-care units, Gov. Gavin Newsom warned in a Monday press conference that another lockdown may be necessary to curb the virus’ spread in counties in the most restrictive purple tier, which comprises 99% of the state’s population. Residents in those counties are already subject to a curfew and, in some cases, stay-at-home orders of their own. But without additional intervention, hospitalizations could triple in a month, and California could hit 112% ICU capacity by Christmas Eve, Newsom said.

Newsom: “The red flags are flying in terms of the trajectory in our projections of growth. If these trends continue, we’re going to have to take much more dramatic — arguably drastic — action.”

The governor said the lockdown could include modifications for businesses to continue operating, but didn’t specify what they might be. Acknowledging that tighter restrictions come with severe “economic impact and consequences,” he announced new state aid for struggling businesses, including temporary tax relief, a $500-million grant program, and additional funding for small-business loans.

Still, the relief will likely amount to a Band-Aid on a gaping wound for many businesses — and is unlikely to tamp down rising resentment from Californians of all stripes. A California church last week asked the U.S. Supreme Court to block Newsom’s order limiting indoor services, while a group of families sued the state Monday for failing to “ensure basic educational equality” amid the pandemic. High school athletes rallied at the Capitol Sunday, calling on Newsom to allow youth sports to resume — the same day protesters gathered outside the home of Los Angeles County’s public health director, demanding an end to the shutdown.

Looks like I need to do a review of my “prep” for specific items. (Paper goods here I come…) I know I’ve got way more than enough food and fuel, water literally on tap. But I need to look at the exact mix.

FWIW, I’d decided I needed to start using up some of my “beans and rice” base level. Made a pound of Limas & Spam, then 24 oz. of Peruano Beans & Spam. Really like it ;-) especially with the added Italian Seasoning and bit of cumin. With a side of rice, it’s not all that bad a meal. Especially with a slice of home made French Bread and Butter ;-)

So even if I’m out of some of the more nummy prep (like gorp ;-) I’m set for months of “good enough”.

With that, I’m off to see how swamped the stores are today.

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66 Responses to Gov. Nuisance Issues California 3 Week Stay At Home Order

  1. philjourdan says:

    Florida is showing lockdowns are no more effective than prophylactics with holes in them. The dem governors are merely setting the stage to fully revoke everyone’s rights.

  2. Nancy & John Hultquist says:

    If an experiment is done over and over and the results are opposite of the hypothesis, when can we declare a “fail”?

    Distancing, face masks, quarantine, and closures (aka wealth destruction) for 7 months or more, and within many nations have failed to contain the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

    Governors, mayors, and other limousine liberals have internalized this failure, while publicly insisting otherwise.

  3. V.P. Elect Smith says:

    FWIW, back from the shopping run.

    TP & Paper Towels sold out in some places and name brands gone first. Plenty of House Brand at Smart & Final (Luckys and Costco not so much though Costco did have lots of TP, just no paper towels).

    Smart & Final has a New Rule! posted via some Government Lackey saying that can have, at most, 32 people in the store at any one time. Took about 1/2 hour standing in a long line out front to finally get in. How having people lined up 6 feet apart outside is better than 6 feet apart in the checkout line is left as an exercise for the reader…

    We do now have a re-stock on the freezer meats and a bit of house brand TP & Paper Towels. I’ll try for a brand upgrade when next I’m out… Bottled Water stock at about 3 weeks worth now too.

    Overall, folks in the line looked peeved. Der Governator is not making any friends…

    I have seen 4 moving trucks inside the local 3 or 4 block area in the last week. I think folks who rent are just moving out of State instead. Easy to just “get a job and move”. Local retail has a lot of help wanted signs, indicating folks working lower end jobs are not here anymore. Consider a significant percent are closed, so their labor pool ought to be looking for just those jobs at the one still open. Owners have a somewhat harder time. Our immediate next door neighbors returned to their home country after several years here (but that was a few months ago).

    I’m thinking of ways to just relocate too. Not figured out any good ones yet, but if I had a job offer anywhere in The South (i.e. Free States – odd that turn of events…) I’d be there already. OTOH, sloth has me not looking at job listings…


    The correct answer would be prophylactic drugs. My one Ivermectin treatment has eliminated all symptoms overnight. I’ve gone from “light nose bleeds” with early onset sore throat and nasal stuffiness and malaise to “just fine” in about 24 hours… I got 20 doses in a bottle of drench for about $9 IIRC. Now were those symptoms from Chinese Wuhan Covid, or some other virus? And does it really matter?…

    I-Mask+ is shown to work in other countries. We ought to do that for At Risk Populations and have all the folks under 40 go back to “Normal Life” and live as usual. In about 3 weeks we ought to be at herd immunity.

    @Nancy & John H:

    I find it very annoying that “slow the spread” to reach herd immunity as 70%+ of the population get it and get over it; has mutated into “Deaths are WAY down but everyone must stay locked up ’cause they might catch it!!!”.

    It was a GOAL to get 70% exposure, but at a modest rate over a few months instead of weeks. Now it’s a PANIC to have 25% exposure over a year? WT? I smell a Democrat “Never let a disaster go to waste” moment.

  4. Tonyb says:

    Although its a UK site the Articles tend to have a much wider significance

    It is updated daily and they have some top sceptics writing on such things as masks and lockdowns.

    Basically masks are highly ineffective unless worn absolutely correctly. As for lockdowns, wash, repeat, wash again. Some countries are on their third or fourth drastic lockdowns and they don’t work.

    Our situation here in the southwest of England as that it’s very much a lockdown lite with the biggest curtailment being pubs can serve you only if you have a meal with the drink otherwise things are fairly normal, if normal still means anything, but household meetings are restricted

    We hope to go to the theatre next week and have a meal booked for Tuesday. our local football team is allowed 1500 spectators into the ground, because of restrtctios on capacity, which is pretty much the usual number anyway.

    We don’t have a curfew unlike France and Spain both of which restricted going outside between 10 and 6 and in France you had to receive written permission to leave your house. So it could be much worse here.

    Hope your lockdown doesn’t cause you too many problems.

  5. philjourdan says:

    Re: Shortages. Yep, the Ramen noodle really spicy is again not to be found. But due to my wife’s paranoia, we have enough TP and PT to last until 2025. Long after I am gone.

  6. V.P. Elect Smith says:


    Turns out that, after I informed the spouse of the ‘new order on the way’ and her having seen a raided TP Isle at Lucky’s, despite there being car loads of it at Zanoto’s and other slightly higher end stores:

    Dear Spouse placed an immediate online order at Amazon for God Only Knows how much TP and Paper Towels to be delivered by van in the next few days.

    But we’re “Prime” members so shipping is free…

    I just hope it isn’t arriving during a rain interval and set outside…

    (We “only” have about 3 weeks in the house already, you see …)

    Yet somehow she never orders any emergency Scotch…

  7. V.P. Elect Smith says:


    Nice to hear from you again!

    No, the lockdown order will have little effect on me (other than being part of a LARGE gathering outside mostly empty stores trying to follow the rules…)

    Yes, I’ve noticed that in England and France and other parts of Europe they’ve gone full in on the whole lockdown and shut up thing. Sorry to hear that.

    Oddly, almost nothing is heard about the complete lack of horrors in Africa (gee, maybe getting a lot of sun and Vit-D matters more than your race, eh?) and that South America is not doing as badly as expected either. Then there’s S.E. Asia and India where it isn’t going so badly either… India at less than 1/2 the USA deaths despite a whole lot more population, much less ‘medical care’, and 3rd world economics.

    Clue Stick Time:

    So maybe the fact that Tropical Places are doing pretty darned well ought to offer a few whacks with the Clue Stick. Sun / Vit-D. Lots of Hydroxy Chloroquine as malaria preventative. Ivermectin used to try to eradicate river blindness. Anyone listening?…

    For us, we are rather home bodies anyway. Mostly just “food and fuel” and watching the TV. Then me doing computer / blog stuff. Only major impacts are on the occasional dinner out (where I’m a decent chef so there’s that…) and on church (a big deal for the spouse, me not so much). IF the “car church” gets shut down, the spouse will “have issues”. Though she did ok with the mass on Roku for about 1/2 a year.

    Really, the biggest problem is just that I wanted to sell out and leave California but that’s a bit hard when potential buyers can’t leave their homes. OTOH, I’d not got the house ready anyway (but maybe I would have if I thought I was “free to move about the country”…)

  8. ossqss says:

    I would just say, never has it been said that flattening the curve, or slowing the spread, ever changes the start and end point numbers. Why, because it doesn’t. It just lengthens the timeline. IMHO

    C’est La Vie

  9. David A says:

    Regarding hospital and ICU beds again common sense statistics, like all cause death numbers, or in this case normal December hospital bed and ICU occupancy percentages are missing. I know that in Vegas many hospitals regularly have beds in the hallways during the flu season.

  10. V.P. Elect Smith says:


    Oh Great… so they are basing the shut down house arrest on STAFFED beds, not total. Meaning that a hospital must keep over 15% of beds staffed and unused for us to be free to buy groceries? Not just have an on-call nurse ready to be on station in an hour.


    Prisoner of hospital staffing decisions…

    The actual problem is underutilized hospital capacity, not limited capacity. According to a county DHS report from December 3, Los Angeles County only has 84% of their estimated ICU beds staffed and 70.9% of their estimated regular beds staffed. In the current census, the county has 94.7% of ICU beds occupied and 94% of regular beds. If fully staffed, the utilization rates would be 80% in the ICU and 62% in regular beds. It may be partially a function of the state-mandated nurse-to-patient ratios, but it appears hospitals can apply for waivers during the pandemic.

    Non-COVID-19 patients occupy the vast majority of beds. Twenty-four percent of ICU patients have tested positive for COVID-19, and 12% of those in regular beds have. I use the phrase tested positive because most hospitals are testing all patients admitted, whether they exhibit symptoms or not. So, even those flagged as COVID-19 may be hospitalized for a completely different reason given the tests’ high sensitivity. There are also financial incentives to list COVID-19 in the diagnosis. Residents of Los Angeles should insist that these statistics reflect patients hospitalized for COVID-19 instead of with COVID-19.

    So if too many folks have heart attacks from excess starches & fats eating cheap survival food and not enough vit-C while hospitals are running lower staffing levels, we lock up more people to eat storage food and not fresh fruits and keep them out of the sun…

    Just Stupid.

  11. President Elect H.R. says:

    @V.P. Elect Smith – Never attribute government actions to stupidity when the pollies are playing political football and there’s money and power involved. That goes under the category of evil. People die.

  12. V.P. Elect Smith says:

    @Prez Elect H.R.:

    So can we get Trump to set up that Tent Hospital again and get the ICU bed # up enough that we can all be freed? That’s in the realm of “political football”…

    It’s got to be more economically beneficial to have a big tent (or the Hospital ship) sitting mostly empty than to have the economy on hold and 20 million people under house arrest…

  13. President Elect H.R. says:

    Hey. Usually Another Ian brings the links from CTH and other blogs here, but he’s been MIA for a week+/-.

    I hope things are well with him.

    Hard to say. I’ve gone radio silent here for long periods when life got in the way. Kept up with the reading, but no time to comment.

  14. V.P. Elect Smith says:

    It’s only been a week, so not time to worry yet. Folks take vacations, go on trips, work sends them overseas for a week… Oh, Wait… Never Mind… 8-{

    Perhaps he took a quick flight to a tropical island an now is in quarantine for 2 weeks…

    Per Sheriffs:

    Yeah, a lot of them are not having it. Riverside County is on the edge of L.A. with mostly empty mountains and desert behind it. Also has the UC Campus my Son graduated from…

    So city and campus police can and likely will enforce it. Sheriff in rural bits, not so much.

    The Sheriff in urban counties also runs the County Jail, so might simply turn loose anyone who gets arrested instead of a ticket…

    For folks not familiar with the US System, the County Sheriff is nominally the Top Law Enforcement in the county and others must check in with them for permission to work in that turf (unless someone changed that traditional law…) and are also Elected. They have to worry about the voters in their county…

    I think it’s nation wide that the Sheriff is elected in each county, but I’d not be surprised if there were variations in some odd places.

  15. V.P. Elect Smith says:

    Oh Man! Just watched the Sheriff video (about 3 minutes).

    What a polite and professional F-Off. 8-)

  16. p.g.sharrow says:

    Sheriffs have real power, Judges and Governors do not! their only power is derived from convincing Sheriffs to enforce their dictates. Sheriff’s are elected by and are accountable to their citizens only. California’s governor has little actual power if the citizens or county governments resist…pg

  17. V.P. Elect Smith says:

    That was especially true in California back before about the early 1960s. There was a ballot initiative to change how California Senators were selected. Direct vote of the people, “Like the US Congress”. A big mistake.

    Prior to that, the State Senators were selected by the County as the County representative. Much like the original intent of the US Senate being representatives of the States (and electing them was a big mistake too… IMHO).

    Not too long after that, the Senate stopped being a check on the power of the State, State spending skyrocketed, and counties were sucked dry of money at the State orders. Been broke ever since.

    Before that time, we had the “County Hospital” that gave care on the county public dime to any “indigents”, but with everyone in the county knowing who was spending what on whom. Now? Welfare for all and nobody keeping track. County hospitals nearly bankrupted a few times and no longer doing what they used to to.

    Too much State power, not enough County power. I suspect Sheriff as elected official is another one they would like to get rid of…

  18. ossqss says:

    The more I read on PCR testing, the more I want to Puke!

    That is behind the offense. Let’s see,,,,, reduce beds staffed in a hospital, jack up the testing cases with a 40 CT level test, and boom! You have an emergency to lock you down with……. How many people go to the hospital from a positive test if they have ANY comorbitities.

    I would really like to see the statistics on how many of these “new documented” cases actually have any symptoms.

    My money is <5%. Math not required. :-)

    This is crazy stuff we have right here, right now. Just sayin

  19. ossqss says:

    Granted, there are many more troubling articles on the subject cycles and testing.

    This is from Sept.

  20. ossqss says:

    So, we know that many folks, from the blood drawn through donations, from the Salvation Army last year, had the virus. It was in the US from November, at least, onward.

    Pair that with running PCR tests at 40 cycles, preprogrammed as standard, and suddenly, all the people that have been exposed to the virus, for possibly up to a year, now show as positive in tests in mass.

  21. President Elect H.R. says:

    So what’s the difference between coming down with the seasonal flu for a couple of weeks and then getting back on your feet vs getting the Kung Flu and, it can be worse, being knocked out of kilter for 3 weeks before getting back on your feet?

    It’s the mortality rate that determines how dangerous a flu is, not the number of people who get it and go on with their lives.

    Oh, and what’s struck me as odd about this Chinese virus is, though very deadly to some, it barely affects many others to the point that some don’t even know they had it. I guess it’s the yin yang virus.

  22. ossqss says:

    Remember when the active cases at critical/severe were at 20% plus on WOM?

  23. V.P. Elect Smith says:


    40? Do they really set it at 40? I was under the impression that about 25 was right and at 30 ish it started having too many false positives… What am I missing?


    We know that Innate Immunity is very important to kicking the Chinese Wuhan Covid bug. Antibody immunity isn’t as involved, and when it does get involved, things get nasty quick.

    Innate Immunity is highest in kids and young adults, lowest in old folks and especially those with “issues”.

    Vit-D, Vit-C and Zinc are very important to innate immunity (Vit-D more than most). Folks not in the sun much (old folks, those in nursing homes) are a lot more likely to be low in Vit-D. Similarly, Vit-D plummets in high latitudes in winter, thus the “winter cold season” and “winter flu season”. Most Americans (and I’d speculate most “advanced” countries where people work and play indoors all the time) are deficient in Vit-D. Kids play outdoors (at least if The Governor lets them 8-‘} Eating lots of Food Pyramid Starches does not provide Zinc the way meat and fish do (or seaweed… Sushi, Yum!)

    This virus, once antibodies are around, starts to use them to bind to T cells and nuke the T cells (shades of AIDS…), then an inflammatory cascade begins. The worse you get the faster you get worse. This is where it is different from The Flu. It’s taking down some parts of your immune system, AND kicking inflammatory processes into high gear while “plugging up the works”.

    At higher viral loads, it starts to attack and destroy various tissues. IF your Innate Immunity didn’t get a handle on it, by the time you are trying to get your antibodies to do the job, you are riddled with the virus and it is binding to things all over the place. Among them is blood cells. Clotting issues rise, and oxygen carrying capacity drops. This is where they start looking at adding O2 and respirators, but the little blood clots clog up the capillaries in the lungs and the lower red blood cells (as they are clotting out) means you don’t carry oxygen well even with a respirator. At this stage, a lot of folks don’t recover.

    So the whole game is to STOP the virus from getting to very high viral loads to avoid that cascade failure of your White Blood Cells and Red Blood Cells and keep the virus from going on to screw up other things like your brain, blood vessels, kidneys, etc.

    How do you do that?

    By having a low initial inoculum (mask, 6 ft. distancing, hand washing, not kissing coughing people…)

    By getting your innate immunity in good condition (Vit-D especially, Vit-C, Zinc, Mg,…)

    By getting out in the sun and walking around, exercising. Laughing and not being afraid and depressed. (Honest, it directly changes immune responses). By getting a good nights sleep. By getting calm, centered and feeling well via church services. You know, all the stuff Democratic Governors are forbidding…

    Other things?

    Aspirin is in the regimen to help reduce / prevent clotting and inflammation.

    Melatonin helps, but it seems they don’t know why:

    November 12, 2020 — Melatonin could be a possible treatment for those who contract the coronavirus, according to a new study from the Cleveland Clinic. The findings were published Monday in the journal PLOS Biology.

    The hormone, which regulates the body’s circadian rhythm and sleep-wake cycle, was associated with a 30% reduced likelihood of testing positive for COVID-19.
    However, additional studies are needed, the researchers said.

    They did a “other diseases of the same organs benefit from this, let’s try it” shotgun and got a hit. Yeah, method about like saying “like treats like”… But a hit is a hit.

    Then some kind of “stuff” that makes virus replication screw up / halt. Lots of choices here, but Ivermectin and HCQ (early with zinc…) and quercetin all work, as does Black Cumin Seeds, it seems. Stuff that treats malaria (quinine and derivatives too) seem helpful at blocking some replication.

    Treat any suspect case early and hard, you get less bad late stage cases.

    IMHO, the “Long Haulers” are just folks where their Innate Immunity isn’t enough to clear the virus and nobody is loading them up with the stuff to get it in shape. So the virus and symptoms of damaged organs drags on for months.

    In a nut shell:

    What makes it different is that if you have good innate immunity and a good disposition, you get over it fast and with low / no symptoms. IF you have mediocre to poor innate immunity, you start down the road of rapid virus replication, cascade failure, tissue / organ damage, and eventual organ failure and death.

    It’s all about getting in shape early, and treating aggressively early. (Instead of the “go home, stay indoors, feel miserable and afraid, and come back when you need a hospital” advice used now…)

    That’s how I see it anyway.

  24. YMMV says:

    “40? Do they really set it at 40? I was under the impression that about 25 was right and at 30 ish it started having too many false positives… What am I missing?”

    Easy. Good journalists. The good doctors seem to think the PCR tests are set to 35 or 40. Way too high. However, nobody knows. The test makers are not telling, there is no national standard. I assume that the labs doing the analysis know, for their own tests, but they aren’t telling either. There should be a requirement that each positive test includes the CT level, for the doctors information. If the test is not for the doctors’ benefit, who is it for?

    “go home, stay indoors, feel miserable and afraid, and come back when you need a hospital”

    Killer advice.

    The other thing nobody tells the poor victims is that you can buy a little finger-clip O2 sensor. If you get a low reading on that, you are in big trouble, so find yourself a good doctor quick. But why wait, go get your blood Vit-D level checked now.

    BTW, it’s not just patients suffering from lack of good information, the doctors have the same problem, thanks to CDC, FDA, WHO, and etc. Unless you know a pro-active doctor.

    Lockdowns and masks are a distraction. It’s plausible that they could help, at least in some measure, so the public goes along with the dictats. It is also plausible that they do not help that much. And worse, they keep us from investigating and fixing the real problems.

    Someone came up with a good phrase: “seduced by wishful thinking”. The epitaph for 2020.
    Western thought is captured by the shiny new thing, captivated by the high-tech. We ignore the cheap old things. Computer models, AI, we are all in. Thinking, not so much.

  25. Power Grab says:

    @ HR re:
    “So what’s the difference between coming down with the seasonal flu for a couple of weeks and then getting back on your feet vs getting the Kung Flu and, it can be worse, being knocked out of kilter for 3 weeks before getting back on your feet?”

    I think the main difference is that, with the Kung Flu, the standard advice/treatment (at first, anyway) is to deliberately set people on the path to get worse…

    – Stay out of the sun and fresh air – CHECK <== This helps keep the vitamin D level low and prevents intake of natural probiotics.
    – Kill off a huge chunk of your microbiome by exposing yourself to lots of disinfectants – CHECK <== This helps avoid the benefits of natural probiotics.
    – Keep watching MSM <== This helps keep the fear level elevated. This is a known factor for knocking down the immune system.
    – Do all your interpersonal interaction via electronic devices (even better if they're WIFI-enabled or 5G-enabled) <== This helps keep you exposed to elevated levels of EMF and the cellular damage they inflict internally. It also likely increases the likelihood of all your activities being surveilled.
    – Put people in the hospital without a friend or family member "riding shotgun" for them – CHECK <== So no one (no one who cares, that is) can see how bad they're getting.
    – Put people on ventilators (although, hopefully, not as frequently now as before) so their lungs are permanently damaged – CHECK <== That way they become even better consumers of medical products and treatments. You may even increase your supply of involuntary organ donors.
    – Wear face diapers. Don't worry about whether they're clean and fresh. – CHECK <== Lots of health issues arise from forcing people to do this.
    – Stay home and possibly lose your job. – CHECK <== This helps increase the fear and worry and misery; also it prevents you from having something else to think about, to keep your mind off your "symptoms".
    – Forbid people to gather and encourage each other in their faith – CHECK <== This helps people forget that medicos and politicos are not all-knowing and all-powerful, and therefore not deserving of mindless trust.

    Have I missed anything in this perfect recipe for wiping out the supports for most of the civilized world?

  26. President Elect H.R. says:

    @Power Grab – Bad mouth and even BAN known cheap, effective treatments and preventatives. And if anyone tries to point them out and how withholding them causes unnecessary deaths, censor them.
    Good point about the overuse of disinfectants, Power Grab. About a month ago several of us commented on our dirt-eating days as kids… all the different pathogens we were exposed to as kids which built up our immunity.

  27. cdquarles says:

    We have been talking about the extremely loose definition of ‘cases’ for months. In the past, a case was someone who presented for care. If infectious in nature, contact tracing could be done, especially for food/water borne or sexually transmitted diseases. Contact tracing airborne diseases is complicated and easily falls into error traps, is expensive, and often more trouble than it is worth (see the syndrome called the common cold).

    Strictly speaking, PCR tests don’t detect pathogens. They amplify short nucleic acid sequences. Thus, they are inherently too sensitive if you set the threshold too high and are not nearly as specific as thought; since short sequences of nucleic acids are *not* unique. Yes, the tests pick up what might be coronavirus family nucleic acid strings. Which one, lacking a proper cultured isolate leaves you guessing. Key point is that no one published the cycle threshold the labs are using. Without that, the numbers are useful for political purposes and not so useful for medical purposes. (The path labs I worked in would fire someone if key detection limit data were not available for dissemination to decision makers; many of whom had their lives and honor on the line.)

    During the acute phase, chemicals produced by cell damage and chemicals produced by immune response to damage first deposit in the affected area’s small arteries and capillaries to allow immune cells to get to the spot (consider that happening over large parts of your body).

    Also, in the old days, the pharmaceutical companies would love finding a new use for an old agent, many of which are found via off-label usage. Costs to bring to market are low, and the relative profit high, especially if a patent can be issued or renewed. So, I wonder if the push to generics hasn’t disrupted this such that it is a negative. Bringing truly new agents to market is *extremely* expensive in time and money. Given that much of the patent period gets used up due to this means that your high costs have to be covered in a short period of time. Given the government domination, outright theft and so on, you simply must charge a high price to cover all of the failures as well as this success. Dealing with ‘greedy’ governments around the world also makes consolidation more valuable, in my opinion; so I also say that the pharmaceutical companies are arms of big government.

  28. YMMV says:

    cdquarles: “Strictly speaking, PCR tests don’t detect pathogens. They amplify short nucleic acid sequences. Thus, they are inherently too sensitive if you set the threshold too high and are not nearly as specific as thought; since short sequences of nucleic acids are *not* unique.”

    If a PCR test comes back positive, what you do not know is if it found the Sars virus or something else, and you do not know whether it is signal or noise. There was a study showing that PCR tests are more positive when done by the weekend staff. The speculation was that there was contamination from the lab environment and the weekend staff did not clean as well. When you do ridiculous cycle thresholds you get ridiculous results. The point about finding a short sequence is good. Who knows what it really found.

    We don’t know how many different PCR tests are in use. They probably don’t all test for the same sequences.

    In their ruling, judges Margarida Ramos de Almeida and Ana Paramés referred to several scientific studies. Most notably this study by Jaafar et al., which found that – when running PCR tests with 35 cycles or more – the accuracy dropped to 3%, meaning up to 97% of positive results could be false positives.

    The ruling goes on to conclude that, based on the science they read, any PCR test using over 25 cycles is totally unreliable. Governments and private labs have been very tight-lipped about the exact number of cycles they run when PCR testing, but it is known to sometimes be as high as 45. Even fearmonger-in-chief Anthony Fauci has publicly stated anything over 35 is totally unusable.

    That article links to the ruling, which links this study:

    It can be observed that at Ct = 25, up to 70% of patients remain positive in culture and that at Ct = 30 this value drops to 20%. At Ct = 35, the value we used to report a positive result for PCR, <3% of cultures are positive.

    Or you could say that at CT 35 the false positive rate is 97%.

    Meanwhile, they refuse to allow cheap rapid home tests because they don’t detect all those false positives. They say the PCR test is the gold standard. Fools Gold. Follow the gold.

  29. V.P. Elect Smith says:

    Interesting OAN report showing that the CDC says 130K of the Covid deaths in the USA were due to other causes…

  30. V.P. Elect Smith says:

    Longer 28 minute version with the whole show in it:

  31. Compu Gator says:

    YMMV commented on 6 December 2020 at 6:42 am GMT:
    you can buy a little finger-clip O2 sensor.

    It might help readers of Chiefio, and their Internet search-engines, to know that it’s called a pulse oximeter; retail price seems to be in the range $30–40. Some medical insurance will cover the cost completely, and even ship one to you with $0 copay due. The readings from the oximeter feature are expressed as percentage of oxigenation of blood, as sensed at whatever extremity a person clips it to, often the index finger. The toe next to the big toe would seem to be a reasonable choice (esp. for diabetics), but it seems neglected. Could that be because its clipping surface more obviously ought to be cleaned/sanitized after any toe is used?  What’s probably termed its sensor transmits light, then measures its reflected characteristics, which seems to be biased toward the red end of the spectrum. I’m rather amazed that the little wonder-device can do what it does; it almost seems like a scam [☭].

    YMMV commented on 6 December 2020 at 6:42 am GMT:
    If you get a low reading on that, you are in big trouble, so find yourself a good doctor quick.

    Readers will need to know that the “low reading” on a pulse oximeter that indicates the need for medical attention is quite high: Certainly anything below 90%, but local practice might set the threshhold at, e.g., 92% or 93%.

    YMMV commented on 6 December 2020 at 6:42 am GMT:
    But why wait, go get your blood Vit-D level checked now.

    Ummm, I wonder why, if limited to a single blood test in the context of the CoVId-19 pandemic, esp. for anyone experiencing newfound (but) continuing fatigue, you would not be recommending the Complete Blood Count (CBC) [🌢]?  It doesn’t require any special preparation by the person to be tested (e.g., no fasting before having the blood drawn). Its results indicate, i.a., concentrations of white blood cells, red blood cells, and the latter’s hemoglobin. It’s the hemoglobin in our blood that carries O2 around our bodies. Beware that a person who is dangerously deficient in hemoglobin (e.g., 1/2 normal level), thus deficient in capacity for O2, and experiencing the resultant fatigue, can nevertheless produce acceptable readings on a pulse oximeter; so that wonder-device provides merely 1 datum (or “data point”, if you must), not “the rest of the story”.[×]

    I’m assuming that the notorious CoVId-19 microclotting of red blood cells would show up sooner on the CBC [×], but each such test incurs a repeated cost, whereas after purchase, your pulse oximeter is free to use on a whim.

    I have no opinion on the “blood Vit-D level” test, altho’ I wouldn’t be surprised if it were esp. valuable to melanin-intensive readers [×], but it’s not my reason for posting this comment.

    “Why wait“,  indeed!  Perhaps it goes without saying, but your insurance coverage might require that any blood test wait on being formally ordered by a doctor (or in some states, perhaps an ARNP suffices [⚕]) for it to be fully covered, esp. if a nearly-$0 copay is important to your finances.

    N.B. & note × (disclaimer): I claim no medical training beyond courses in Diver Rescue and Wilderness First Aid; herein, I’m simply conveying what I’ve learned from direct experiences by members of my immediate family, plus explanations provided by doctors & nurses.

    Note ☭ : I wouldn’t put it past Red China to manufacture fake ones for Western markets that simply display “100%”, or randomly display numbers in the satisfactory percentage range.

    Note 🌢 : E.g.,

    Note ⚕ : “ARNP”: Advanced Registered Nurse-Practitioner; actual titles for comparable training, experience, and certification vary from state to state (or country to country), as controlled by governments or medical associations. Granting them authority to perform tasks previously reserved to doctors (i.e., physicians) seems to be a widespread strategy to mitigate the accelerating “doctor shortage”.

  32. President Elect H.R. says:

    @Compu Gator – good tip on the – perhaps – no or low cost pulse oximeter.

    I would be interested in getting one for my extremities, especially the next-toe-in that you mentioned, because of my diabetes.

    I try to walk 2 to 4 miles per day, but here in the Eastern Mid-west it’s not always possible without full gale-force fowl weather gear. If I’m short on my exercise, I notice the numbness and tingling in my toes.

    Anyhow, I pay attention to my feelings of numbness or tinglings in my toes and fingers as an indicator that I need to get my blood sugar down. A pulse oximeter would also be a help.

    It would also be helpful for Wuhan Flu detection for the coming year.

    I have a gold-plated Medicare supplement plan so I’ll ask my Doc. to prescribe one for me. It should be no cost or maybe $10 or so.

    Thanks again for the money-saving tip.

  33. President Elect H.R. says:

    Ha! Fowl weather… suitable for ducks… and that’s true.

    But of course I meant foul weather…………….. or did I? 😜

  34. YMMV says:

    @Compu Gator, thanks for the update.

    “Ummm, I wonder why, if limited to a single blood test in the context of the CoVId-19 pandemic, esp. for anyone experiencing newfound (but) continuing fatigue, you would not be recommending the Complete Blood Count (CBC) [🌢]?”

    If you don’t have Covid, the Vit-D test is still useful. Vit-D is being seen as more important every day for your immune system in general, not just against Covid. Everybody knows that the general population is deficient in Vit-D, not just non-melanin-challenged set. It is also relevant to your metabolic health and your life-style. So you can ask your doctor for one without mentioning Covid. Justifying a CBC to your doctor might be a challenge. Don’t say you read it on the internet! You could try saying a knowledgeable friend suggested it. Good luck with that.

    But the point is good. There is a set of blood tests which are used to measure inflammation, and with Covid that is not a good thing. Biomarkers with exotic names like D-dimer, ferritin, C-reactive protein.
    Patients critically ill with coronavirus disease-2019 (COVID-19) feature hyperinflammation, and the associated biomarkers may be beneficial for risk stratification. We aimed to investigate the association between several biomarkers, including serum C-reactive protein (CRP), procalcitonin (PCT), D-dimer, and serum ferritin, and COVID-19 severity.

    BTW, the medical advice to stay home until you get really sick? That’s because officially, there is no treatment for Covid. Then when you do get seriously ill, “come to the hospital and we will help you die.” Because officially there is no cure for Covid, although they don’t use the words “there is no cure”. /sarc

  35. Terry Jackson says:

    “Have I missed anything in this perfect recipe for wiping out the supports for most of the civilized world?”

    Declaring all medical practices and procedures “elective” and shutting down nearly all medical treatment. Except Covid.

  36. ossqss says:

    @Powergrab, you missed one> :-)

    >Apply a global test for verification purposes that you can actually control the outcome of via cycle settings used. Quite the steering wheel, no?

    A challenge to the blog.

    Find reporting on positive infections that disclose the cycling rate used for amplification for the test.

    Just sayin, I can’t

  37. President Elect H.R. says:

    What’s the cycling rate? If you’re talking Tour De France, that’s easy-peasy.

    Covid-19 tests?…….. not so much.
    (@Ossqss – I have Buckeyes for you! I’m delayed a month due to the shoulder surgery. Had to cancel December this year and was not sure if I could handle the trailer at all. But it looks like we’ll be down for January and February. See you soon!)

  38. For The First Time, A US State Will Require Disclosure Of PCR ‘Cycle Threshold’ Data In COVID Tests

    I had bloodwork done about six months ago, as part of my yearly physical, I think. One of the things they checked was my Vitamin D. I’m indoors a lot, although I do try to get outside when I can, but I was surprised to find I had low D levels. I’ve been taking 5000 IUs daily and the doctor is happy, so I’m happy. I’m not sure if the Vitamin D check is part of a standard bloodwork, but it can’t hurt to ask, or just start taking some Vit D, just to be safe.

    Pulse oximeter: I got one of these when all this stuff started. With asthma and COPD, the mask is not my friend. So I got one from Amazon and keep it with me so I can check my levels. I’ve seen mine go pretty low (70% and under) and they prefer 95% and above. When that happens, I find a secluded place where they’ll let me remove my mask and take deep breaths until the levels increase. So they do come in handy and are worth the relatively cheap expense.

  39. President Elect H.R. says:

    I mentioned a while ago(prior to Sept. 11) that I was going to have shoulder surgery on 9/11 and that I was worried about a false positive test that would prevent me from getting the surgery.

    I asked at the drive-thru testing center what test the were using. They said PCA. I asked them how many cycles were going to be run and they gave me funny looks, like I was talking crazy talk.

    As near as I can determine, the PCA test they ran was to determine if I had and active, contagious case of CoVid-19. That’s all it was good for. If I’d ever been exposed or had it and recovered, the test was not for those cases.

    They were just testing to make sure I wasn’t going to bring a raging, shedding-virus-all-over-the-place case of the Kung Flu into the hospital.

    So I got a “negatory, good buddy” on the Chinese virus and surgery was on the day that was scheduled.
    “They”** know how to test for real, serious, cases and how to test for a result of maximum number of cases to strike fear into the population of sheeple at large.

    ** “They” are any number of entities that are aligned with the GEB-Commie-Elite-bastard’s Death to America and loot the middle class agenda.

    “they” are coming after us and our meager wealth. None of us have a lot of wealth, but then there are a heck of a lot of us. So it all adds up to big bucks. We, The Sheeple, are going to get looted if the Commie-GEBs have their way.

  40. V.P. Elect Smith says:

    How about this for an idea:

    Any Elected Officials, where a Lockdown is ordered, will have their pay adjusted to the amount of pay reduction of their (State or City). So, for Example, if the average payroll of L.A. drops by 40% then the Mayor gets a 40% pay cut (in “solidarity” of course) and a similar cut to all his “perks” and allowances and expense report items. Then you roll that down through all the other “exempt’ category employees.

    Just sayin’ “Fair is fair”…

  41. David A says:

    Regarding PCR testing, yes, knowing how many cycles are being used is critical, yet, just as important, is knowing the history of how many cycles were applied. I would not be surprised to find that they have ramped up the cycles. ( Criminal)

    I am curious, most people reuse masks many times between replacing it or washing it. So, if you are infected and breathing into a mask that you are reusing, are you increasing your own viral load?

    After all, if fresh air and sunshine are healthy, then re-breathing your own viral breath can not be good. I think that eventually the Spanish flu was partially overcome by getting patients out into the fresh air.

  42. llanfar says:

    @YMMV @Compu Gator the correct test (which usually isn’t what doctors order) is 25-hydroxy vitamin D. This cardiologist has an excellent video (with transcription) of what levels you need. For myself, my test last month was 112 ng/ml – higher than the LPN wants me to have for my shoulder surgery on the 17th. But she can pound sand… I’m taking 183mcg K2 to keep the Calcium out of my blood from high levels. Munition: I subscribe to Dr. Davis’ Undoctored program (though I’ve fallen off the “no grains” in the last year).

    Also, a couple of good videos on vitamin D toxicity: and

    Hopefully WordPress doesn’t expand those embedded videos…

  43. President Elect H.R. says:

    @llanfar re shoulder surgery. Yeah, you mentioned you were having shoulder surgery about the time I was expressing worries over my virus test for my shoulder surgery.

    As I recovered, I would think of you and your upcoming surgery and what I could perhaps write to help a little bit.

    The Doc who did the pre-op assessment told me to stop taking my OTC vitamins and supplements 7 days prior to surgery and stop stop all prescription meds the day before. It’s for the anesthesiologist to minimize what extra stuff might be in the body that could interfere with the anesthesia and to reduce thinning of the blood for the surgeon.

    I stopped the vitamins starting the Monday before my Friday surgery. Close enough to 7 days. 😜 I stopped the prescription drugs the day before except my metformin for controlling blood sugar. I did skip it the morning of surgery. Told both docs about the metformin and they were OK with it as I did my last dose just over 12 hours prior to surgery. They figured, same as I did, that the reduced blood sugar was far more important than no meds and a bunch of sugar circulating while my body tries to deal with it.

    Recovery sucks. The six weeks in the sling is a real PITA, but that’s what assures both you and the Doc that you’ve healed enough so that you can’t undo the surgery. All along, I’ve been asking if there was anything I could do to undo the repair and I keep getting that I can’t undo it. Besides, the pain stops you from overdoing anything.

    The important thing in recovery is the stretching and slow muscle development. My surgery was 9/11/20 and my Physical Therapists are just now adding weight to go along with the stretching and muscle developing movements.

    Don’t rush things. I had a set-back about 4 weeks ago and I really thought I undid the surgeon’s work, despite everyone telling me I couldn’t. Turns out I had been overcompensating for the shoulder by using my bicep. My bicep got the mother of all charlie-horses in it and it was pulling on everything else, causing pains just like presurgery. It took 5 days to get the knot out and another 2 weeks to get back on track.

    The lesson there is to watch out for constant tension in the bicep. They will probably have you do a dangling arm exercise early on, so do that if you feel your bicep clenching and tightening up.

    The home exercises are important and so is the ice. The exercises keep everything stretched, more and more each week. I was not getting swelling in my shoulder, so I didn’t ice it down after exercises. Big mistake. There is some inflammation caused by the exercises even if there’s no swelling. Not icing my shoulder after working it probably cost me a week or so of recovery time. Now, I ice the shoulder after PT sessions or my home exercises.

    That’s about all I can give in the way of help; maybe cheat a few days on the vitamins, keep the arm isolated for the 6 weeks to make sure the surgery can’t be undone, use the ice after exercises even if you don’t have any swelling.

    Oh… and while you are wearing your sling, you will get a lot of strangers expressing their sympathy for your plight. I never realized just how many people needed shoulder surgery, but it’s common. And all of them really know what a PITA the sling is and sleeping (not much) upright or in a recliner. They really know what you’re going through.

    It’s all worth it in the end.

  44. V.P. Elect Smith says:


    Nice list.

    I’d only add that that spouse had shoulder surgery a while back so:

    Spousal support helps (at least judging by the things I was requested to help with). There’s a fair amount of “get that down” and “pick that up” and “move my pillow here” and “get me a fresh ice pack” that can make life easier.

    We kept 2 big and 2 small “gel ice packs” rotating through the freezer. If you don’t have any, get them now. Trying to use real ice means a LOT of sloppy kitchen time. (We did use ice in an ice bag a couple of times due to logistical errors… spouse set gel pack aside, I was “off somewhere” so it didn’t get back to the freezer in time, etc. It is a good idea to have a traditional ice bag and a couple of trays of ice “just in case”.)

    Spouse also took the recliner to sleep. Yeah, not much the first few days. Sleep a LOT in the few days leading up to surgery, it does help. Make sure the recliner to TV angle is right ;-) and remotes are near. Find some really boring stuff to help you drift off at 2 a.m….

    A dish / box of favorite snacks next to the recliner is a good idea. Less “get that down” and / or sitting there hungry, bored, and with nothing you can get easily at 2 AM without risk.

    Have a blanket next to the recliner. Yes, you had one there during the day. It gets colder at night when your metabolism drops. Warm fluffy slippers too.

    You can play solitaire one handed on a tablet or phone. Expect to want that. Day (night?) 4 in the recliner of watching old re-runs you start wanting something more engaging where YOU do something.

    A laptop table (those pillows with a tray on top) is very helpful. Plan to stock foods that either do not require cutting ( i.e. hand knife / fork coordination and force) or have the spouse “kibble” your steak for you before serving.

    @David A:

    After I saw the statistics on virus survival on mask (vs. temperature) I realized I could just leave the mask in the car. We do the grocery run about 1 x week. Virus are all dead by the next time I make that run. (Warm sunny climate heats car nicely…)

    We also have a few different cars and rotate between them, so often it is a couple of weeks between any one car. Each car has a couple of masks in it, so even then the same mask isn’t always reused each trip.

    Essentially, we have a stock of masks (some surgical, some N95, some home made with hepa filter insert, etc.) spread around the house and cars, so no one mask is reused in a shorter time period than about a week. Often a month+.

    Just figure that there’s a decay function timer running that is as short as hours (hot summer day mask in closed car) to a week (cold season) for the viral load on the mask to decay away to zero.

    So “increase your viral load” will depend on how many masks you rotate through, and how fast / frequently. (We use one mask per trip, but that may include 3 stops – bank, groceries, other services. Then it sits for a week+. It would be better to use 3 masks, maybe, but we’re fairly careful in the handling.)

  45. Power Grab says:

    @ HR re:
    “Bad mouth and even BAN known cheap, effective treatments and preventatives. And if anyone tries to point them out and how withholding them causes unnecessary deaths, censor them.”

    This absolutely should be on the list! I thought of it after I did my post and shut down to do other things.

    IIRC, in Arizona, they banned HCQ and subsequently the governor was found to be buying up all the HCQ in the state for his own use.

    As I’ve mentioned, I’m partial to using tonic water for the quinine and smoked oysters for the zinc. Another good food source of zinc is beef. Of course, these days they’re trying to foist fake beef on John Q. Public, saying it’s better for the planet.

    @ ossqss re:
    “Apply a global test for verification purposes that you can actually control the outcome of via cycle settings used. Quite the steering wheel, no?”

    Another good addition to the list! I have no trouble at all believing that manipulation of the cycle settings is behind the current claim of elevated case numbers. In fact, I assume that the cycle setting will be lowered when they run tests for vaccinated individuals.

  46. Power Grab says:

    To elaborate on my comment that household disinfectants can be harmful to one’s health:

    1. I saw an article that mentioned that COPD can be caused by frequent exposure to household disinfectants.

    2. I received an email a few weeks ago from Blue Cross Blue Shield that listed ways to protect one’s lungs. Number three on the list was avoiding breathing household disinfectants.

    3. This is speculation: One monthly report from New York this summer revealed that fully 60% of the increase in “cases” over the previous month was the number of new-case individuals who had “sheltered in place” for the entire month. How much do you want to bet they spent their month cleaning and re-cleaning everything they could get their hands on?

    4. The previous comments deal mainly with how breathing fumes from household disinfectants can be harmful. Just read the labels on products that have a strong scent. Almost all the time, they say to use them with adequate ventilation. However, I also have concerns about all the disinfectants that we allow to soak into our skin. When I had surgery a few years ago, they gave me a bottle of cleanser (disinfectant, really, IMHO) that I was told use to shower with the night before my surgery, and the day of my surgery. They said to leave it on my skin for 2 minutes before rinsing it off. From what I can tell, my microbiome was permanently changed by that and the systemic antibacterial they used. I’m just going by the change in my…um…natural aroma. It has never returned to normal. That agrees with some writings I’ve seen that deal with the new research emphasis on the microbiome.

    5. This is not something I’ve ever read, but I can’t shake the idea: Whenever they “treat” a person for cancer, the chemo and radiation kill off your microbiome, and that is what kills you. I made that remark in a group setting where there was a long-time friend who lost her husband to cancer [treatment]. She nodded her head at what I said.

    6. One more thing…one of the medicos who spoke with me shortly before my surgery asked if I had considered suicide in the past two weeks. I said, “Not in the past two weeks…” That is all that was said. It sure made me wonder why they asked it. Would they try harder to make me die if I had said “Yes”?

  47. V.P. Elect Smith says:

    @Power Grab:

    There’s fascinating work on “fecal transplants” to reduce obesity. Seems the bugs in your gut can determine if you are fat or thin… BTW, antibiotics are given to healthy cattle as it “increases weight gain” and thus profits…

    We now have a society frequently dosed with antibiotics and obese.

    Spouse and I both have “issues” with “fragrance”. It isn’t just the strong chemicals that matter. PIne oil improves health. Fake crap not so much. Some fragrances make my lungs “tighten up” and others make them form more mucus and clog up. Not horridly, just a little / enough to be a bother. A more sensitive person might well be diagnosed with a “medical issue” when it was their fragrance exposure.

    Almost impossible to avoid, really. This week I bought an unfamiliar brand of paper towels. No mention of “fragrance” on the label. Yet a good “nose blow” informed me it has a slight fragrance and not the “chemical smell” of most unscented. Was that just from being run on machines where some fragrance had been used? Or a little added something to mask that “chemical smell”? (Not enough to cause issues, but I noticed it).

    Cancer cells directly change your metabolism in ways that are lethal. In particular, you can get Calcium going way high. My mother did not have chemo or radiation (too far along when diagnosed so just ride it to the very near end with pain killers) and had blood chemistry excursions to the point of death. Cancer cells are shown to produce the hormone that causes this. They can also invade and destroy necessary structures, so when a liver cancer takes out your liver function it is game over. People died of cancer before chemo and radiation were ever used.

    That said, I have no doubt that the diet and blood chemistry changes of cancer will change the microbiome, and I have no doubt that radiation and chemo are attempts to kill you that hopefully kill the cancer first so you can then survive and recover from the chemo and radiation. That’s gotta leave a mark on you and your gut flora.

    Suicidal ideation can indicate chemical imbalances that influence the anesthesia and where the anesthesia can influence them. Necessary to think about. Then, if on the edge, a person subject to the added trauma, pain, and disruption of surgery could go over the edge (netting their heirs a big win in malpractice land if you DON’T ask the question…) I’d wager there was just such a pay-out resulting in the question now being obligatory for everyone.

    THE most effective way to build up high viral loads in the air is to put a carrier in the same closed space as the target and wait. You know, like a home with poor air flow to the outside (like the ‘efficiency’ mandated these days with low ‘infiltration’ rates…)

    Once, about 20 something years old, I’d had a bit (way…) too much to drink. In the following days I developed “smelly farts” with a sulfur smell to them (H2S?). Also headaches and lethargy and more. Smelly poo too. I lived with this for a week or three (including some stomach churn after eating..) Eventually I “thought it through” to “maybe the alcohol killed off my good bugs”. Inserting a finger covered in living yogurt “up the down staircase” resulted in, 2 days later, resolution of all of it. This was before the era of “probiotic capsules” everywhere…

    Oddly, there had been an alcoholic admitted to the ward (where I was working then as medical records tech) a few months earlier with especially sulphurous gassy problems. (About which the staff commented in the lounge). He was in for orthopedic care so they didn’t know how to fix that and instead just worked on the bone as fast as they could. I’d not connected his condition to my ‘excursion’ until after the fact.

    So yeah, all sorts of ‘chemicals’ can shift microbiome and cause “issues”, for sure.

  48. cdquarles says:

    The pulse oximeter works because oxygenated hemoglobin is a strong red light reflector and the deoxygenated form is not. Nail beds get used because the keratin is highly translucent, especially compared to the rest of the skin. Toenail discoloration from fungal infections can interfere with the machine. NB that carboxyhemoglobin is even stronger at reflecting certain red light band wavelengths. Also NB that there is always some carboxyhemoglobin present, even in non-smokers, via nucleic acid metabolism. The danger point is 85% or less, and for folk who are anemic, there is some compensation; so the percentage value is still useful. They hooked one up on me when I had my angioplasties. Seeing no significant saturation changes when my respiratory rate and heart pulse rate dropped while sleeping calmed the staff :).

    Smelly farts are not just hydrogen sulfide. They are thiols, too; so yes, it is likely that gut microbiome changes did result in more thiols being present, even if the hydrogen sulfide content wasn’t changed. That alcoholic likely also had significant liver dysfunction, contributing to it. People who are bleeding into the gut also have strong fecal odors (the scent is such that it is a diagnostic sign) as well as a dark color and tarry consistency.

  49. Power Grab says:

    @ V.P. Elect Smith re:
    “There’s fascinating work on “fecal transplants” to reduce obesity. Seems the bugs in your gut can determine if you are fat or thin… BTW, antibiotics are given to healthy cattle as it ‘increases weight gain’ and thus profits…”

    Yes! That’s the first subject that got me interested in following such research. Fascinating!

    But, no, the aroma I was referring to was what sometimes comes from things that are on the epidermis. In particular, say you scrub your ears when you shower. But eventually, you find the dead skin cells that have accumulated deep in the crease behind your ear. The washcloth failed to remove them. But when you notice them and scratch them off, they might have a weak aroma.

    That aroma is gone since surgery.

    Other than that, the offensiveness of my farts varies dependably as my diet changes.

    I haven’t ever really had a problem with smelly feet. That hasn’t changed.

    Lest you think my sense of smell is the problem, I must offer that since I can smell that a mask that has been used is no longer fresh, and that’s not a strong odor, I must have at least a good enough sense of smell to detect that lack of freshness.

    On the other hand, I know my sense of smell is not as sensitive as it was in my 20’s. After I went through Weight Watchers for a few months in the mid-1980s, with their recommendation to only eat beef once or twice a week, which reduced my intake of zinc, my sense of smell is definitely weaker than before WW.

  50. Power Grab says:

    @ V.P. Elect Smith re:
    “Suicidal ideation can indicate chemical imbalances that influence the anesthesia and where the anesthesia can influence them. Necessary to think about.”

    Now, that’s a new one for me. I had no idea it could work that way.

    I became aware that taking meds, vitamins, and supplements can affect how the anesthetics work before my surgery. However, the products I was taking were so unfamiliar to them (they said they could find no information on any interaction between my products and their meds), that they told me to keep on taking my products except on the day of surgery.

    I decided they wanted me to play the part of a guinea pig. Fine with me!

  51. V.P. Elect Smith says:

    Can Anesthesia Cause Depression?
    Strictly speaking, anesthesia does not cause depression. However, patients who have undergone surgeries with anesthesia will often develop depression afterward. This can be attributed to the side effects associated with anesthesia. Whenever someone places their body under that much stress, it can change the way the body and mind functions. On its own, continued amounts of stress can actually cause a patient to develop depression.

    An individual who has required anesthesia for a surgery often has had a recent medical issue. Surgeries are generally not done without an underlying reason. This medical problem can be a source of continued stress and anxiety for an individual. Anytime someone faces heightened stress or anxiety in their life, they are more likely to develop depression. If the anesthesia produces ongoing side effects, the health issues that arise may contribute to mental disorders. In cases where the patient already has a family history or predisposition toward depression, their chance of developing this mental disorder is heightened.

    Logically, it seems like anytime the body and mind are shut down for a period of time can cause harm. Doctors rarely talk about the high incidence of mental problems associated with anesthesia. Patients need to be informed about all possible risks before they undergo any medical treatment. Although it is wise to avoid anesthesia if possible, this cannot be done in many surgeries. If the patient feels that they have developed depression after receiving anesthesia, they should always visit a qualified medical practitioner to seek treatment.

    Me? Oddly, I find anesthesia kind of fun…

    Antidepressant drugs works well in treating persons with depression. However, antidepressant can lead to some certain problems once the patient is required to take anesthesia when he has to undergo certain surgery or operation. But in some cases where antidepressant is administered within at least 2 weeks before the operation, it has been said that it will not hamper the main purpose of anesthesia which is to overcome pain.

    Before proper surgery or operation is performed, there are other medications like muscle relaxants, painkillers and blood pressure agents that needs to be administered to the patients along with anesthesia. These drugs may interact with each other and may produce unwanted effects.

    Here are the symptoms seen in patients who have been on anti-depressants before undergoing anesthesia:

    Severe palpitations
    Heart movement abnormalities
    ECG changes
    Extremely high blood pressure
    Complexity in temperature regulation
    Increased surgical bleeding
    Post-operative confusion
    Serotonin syndrome manifest sudden agitation, muscle rigidity high body temperature, seizure sometimes coma.

    Because of withdrawal symptoms and relapse period, the patient cannot quickly stop taking antidepressant drugs prior to anesthesia. That is why it is recommended to always keep an attending psychiatrist throughout the process. It is also much beneficial to provide anesthetist a complete list of drugs being administered by the patient.

    So between the genetic predisposition (brain chemistry differences) and the drug regimen issues, and the anesthesia enhancing risk of depression, it’s a very good idea to know if someone is depressed, or has been recently.

    Then there’s this item that supports Simon’s POV that drug self medication is for prior trauma / depression relief:

    Ketamine for major depression: New tool, new questions
    POSTED MAY 22, 2019, 10:30 AM
    Robert C. Meisner, MDRobert C. Meisner, MD

    Ketamine was once used mainly as an anesthetic
    on battlefields and in operating rooms. Now this medication is gaining ground as a promising treatment for some cases of major depression, which is the leading cause of disability worldwide. In the US, recent estimates show 16 million adults had an episode of major depression in the course of a year. Suicide rates rose substantially between 1999 and 2016, increasing by more than 30% in 25 states. Because of its rapid action, ketamine could have a role to play in helping to prevent suicide.

    Why is ketamine exciting for treating depression?
    If a person responds to ketamine, it can rapidly reduce suicidality (life-threatening thoughts and acts) and relieve other serious symptoms of depression. Ketamine also can be effective for treating depression combined with anxiety.

    I thought everyone knew that a little “Special K” lifted spirits? ;-)

  52. llanfar says:

    @President Elect H.R. thank you very much.

  53. The True Nolan says:

    ossqss asks “Find reporting on positive infections that disclose the cycling rate used for amplification for the test.”

    In Kansas it is 42 cycles. Really!—10-5-20

    I think the CDC recommends 40.

    Conclusion? We are being lied to, mislead, and taken for chumps.

  54. Steve C says:

    Re gut flora and function, a friend of mine has what must be the condition from hell. He has, admittedly, probably subjected his system, over the years, to all sorts of abuse: he has always been a ‘traveller’ (unlike me!), and I recall his telling me that on one of his trips he found the local way of dealing with the condition he had was to ‘take a big antibiotic pill’. This experience turned out to be, he said, the only time in his life he ever got spaced out on an antibiotic, so Heaven only knows what it did to him.

    For several years now, he has had a sort of pan-allergy to foodstuffs. The only way he can deal with it is by running his diet to a strict five day (minimum) cycle: if, for example, he ate carrots yesterday, then eating them again today, tomorrow, or for a couple of days after that will hit him hard, with IBS and feeling like death warmed up the most important effects. He manages it by eating only fresh foods he’s cooked himself (no additives), to a strict timetable, but still has trouble maintaining his weight.

    There are unexpected catches too: most pharmaceuticals, for example, include wheat flour as part of the bulking agent making up most of the tablet. Take the same – or practically any other – tab next day and bang, down he goes. He’s asked numerous doctors about it, but none has had any idea of what’s going on in there, leaving him as the No.1 expert so far. I reckon he needs to get to know a few dietetics or allergy postgrads at the local teaching hospital and get one of them interested – if the guy’s writing you up for his doctorate, he should give you *very* thorough and detailed examination, and would automatically discuss your case with others if perplexed.

    So yes, do take care of your gut, because it can really punish you if you don’t.

  55. ossqss says:

    The word is out on PCR tests. Let the discovery and disclosures begin!

    “The most current CDC guidelines on the use of PCR tests under an Emergency Use Authorization from the FDA still require a Ct of 40.”

  56. cdquarles says:

    I am one who does not like being intoxicated. So far, I’ve not had any issue with currently used anesthetics, beyond a metallic after-taste from propofol.

  57. Power Grab says:

    @ Terry Jackson re:
    “Declaring all medical practices and procedures “elective” and shutting down nearly all medical treatment. Except Covid.”

    Good one! In fact, I could add my story to that item. I usually go to the eye doctor at the end of the year because that’s about the only thing I can reliably spend the accumulated discretionary dollars I set aside as part of my medical plan.

    Last year, I ordered 2 pair of glasses. I call one pair my “street glasses”. The other paid I call my “computer glasses” or “piano glasses”.

    During the Christmas break, my new glasses came in at the doctor’s. The street glasses worked fine and I was able to begin wearing them. However, the other glasses (so I was told) were “not right” and were sent back without my being able to check them out. Some weeks later they said they were back. By the time I was able to fit it into my schedule to go pick them up, businesses were locked down. I was not allowed to enter the doctor’s to get my glasses. I had to wait in my car until they brought them out. They usually let me try out new glasses reading some of their testing cards, but not this time. They just checked to see if the ear pieces were comfortable, etc. So off I went with only a minimal fitting. Then when I tried to use them at work, I couldn’t focus with them at all. But if they wouldn’t allow me into their space, there was no point in trying to get help. So, hundreds of smackers down the drain for some glasses I couldn’t make use of.

    This month, I received an email with an appointment that they wanted me to confirm. I finally called them today and explained how useless it was for me to spend hundreds of dollars on something I couldn’t even use. And that I didn’t want to do that again.

    They said the CDC was the reason they locked everyone out for everything except emergency appointments. I said I had heard that there is talk of another lockdown soon. Were they going to make me sit out in my car again? It just isn’t worth it to me.

    As much as I would like to spill my guts to everyone about how wrong and useless I think all these Kung Flu complications are, I try to hold my tongue. But I will let them know they’re “that close” to losing a long-time customer. Grrrrrrrrrrrr….

    I may just forgo the glasses this year. I do wonder if anything can be done about my need to remove my glasses to read text on my phone. Even with my “multi-focals”, the near correction is too strong to let me read text on my phone. I did tell them that last year. The people at this practice are new. My long-time doctor retired a few years ago.

  58. llanfar says:

    A quick follow up on next week’s surgery. As of yesterday I have a new surgery tomorrow afternoon other side for carpal and cubital (ulnar nerve at the elbow) tunnel releases. My right hand has been atrophying and once everyone got on the same page as to the culprit, we decided ASAP was better than further atrophy (not to mention, I’ll be able to get back to software dev with that hand in a couple of days).

  59. President Elect H.R. says:


    Oh, m-a-a-a-a-n…. you are in for some serious recovery and rehab. It will all suck in the beginning and you will question your sanity and whatever devil made you decide to take the plunge.

    You will be convinced that the cure is worse than the disease.

    But it’s worth it!

    Tonight, I was gathering up and organizing my saltwater fishing gear to pack up for Florida, and I could reach out and up for the stuff I wanted like it was nothing. Just two weeks ago, I could barely raise my arm without major pain. I had to use my left hand to raise and support my right arm, and it hurt like the dickens!

    Hang tough. Recovery is maddingly slow at first, and just when you wonder why you ever agreed to surgery, it all starts getting better, and BETTER, AND BETTER!

    Last week, I didn’t think I would be ready to make the trip. Tonight, I know I can make the trip. And the recovery curve at the end is so steep, that I’m not sure in two weeks that I’ll remember I had surgery.

    It’s the start and middle part of recovery that’s a big downer. Just keep that in mind. You’ll come out better on the other side. I’m just positively delighted how quickly the end game goes, because I was so bummed out for quite some time.

    Chin up, d-u-u-u-d-e. Oh, and enjoy the joy juice. It’s the last rest you’ll get for a little while.

    My best wishes to you! You won’t regret it… later… in a few months 😜

    P.S. If you’re not the type to swear much, you’ll learn 😁

  60. Steven Fraser says:

    @EM: OT: Senate testimony on Ivermectin Effectiveness against COVID-19

    His presentation is awkward to listen to, but the advocacy is enthusiastic!

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  62. philjourdan says:

    @IIanfar – Ouch! Double Whammy! I only had to have the Cubital operation (that was 19 years ago). I was in out and out in half a day, and cursing the stupid sling I had to wear within 2 days! No pain, but lots of relief!

    Best of luck! Glad they could get to it fast. You will be amazed how young you really are. :-)

  63. philjourdan says:

    @Pres. Elect H.R. – guess we had different experiences. The worst part about my surgery was the pin testing they did prior to it (stick a needle everywhere from the elbow to the hand!!! That hurt!).

    As I told IIanfar, I never had any pain, and indeed, was using it (although not supposed to) within 2 days (I was hiding my use so the doctor would not yell at me).

  64. President Elect H.R. says:

    @philjourdan – I had the torn rotator cuff repaired and the tendon from the top of the bicep to the shoulder was severed and had to be reattached with a bit of synthetic tendon. He also scraped out some arthritis scale and removed some loose junk.

    I couldn’t cheat on using, in particular, the bicep because it needed time for the end of the hi-tech fake tendon that they put in my shoulder to grow enough bone around it to stay in place. That’s where most of the pain was and some pain, not much, remains as it gets stretched back to normal.

    I think if I just had a rotator cuff repair, it would go a lot faster and easier.

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