W.O.O.D. – New Year’s Eve 31 December 2020


This is another of the W.O.O.D. series of semi-regular
Weekly Occasional Open Discussions.
(i.e. if I forget and skip one, no big)

Immediate prior one here:

and remains open for threads running there (at least until the ‘several month’ auto-close of comments on stale threads).

Canonical list of old ones here:

First up:

We are on the eve of a new year. To say 2020 has been “interesting in a Chinese sense” is an understatement. Unfortunately, several of the issues of 2020 are guaranteed to carry forward into 2021. The Chinese Wuhan Covid pandemic show. The Governors issuing “mandates” that clearly violate the Constitution, yet despite courts ruling against them, they continue. When our “leaders” have no respect for the Rule Of Law, how long before the general population “follows” them in that? Eh? The ongoing “Almost a Brexit” and “Almost an Election”.

I’m making this posting a little early as I’m going to be “On the road again, again” again… I figure somewhere in the middle of West Texas where WiFi may be slim pickens and typing on a tablet a PITA.

Why am I going on the road? Partly as my legal life is split between two coasts. There’s some stuff I need to do in Florida to maintain that. The intent had been to be packed and moved to Florida by now, but selling a home during “lock downs” and “curfew” is a challenge. Heck, just getting ME on the road out of State is a challenge. ( I have from 5 am to 10 pm to “get ‘er done” or am in violation of Imperial Edict From Der Grubernor – and a 9 hour drive. “Enough time” with 6 hours to spare, as long as nothing goes wrong and I leave an hour ago. Oh, wait….). So I ether collapse the stuff in Florida, or maintain it. Maintenance is easier.

Then the other part is that My President has asked for support. I don’t know that I can make it to D.C. by the 6th. But I do know that I must try. I could not feel satisfied with myself if I didn’t at least try. I’ve got 2800 miles, then a day or two break, then another 800 miles if I’m to make it to D.C. on the 6th. I have no preparation for D.C., no hotel, not even any idea where to go or what to do. Last time I was there was about 40 years ago, so I suspect much has changed. I might take the advice to ride the Metro in. (I used it in 1982 or so…) Or I might just hang a cheap American Flag out the window and drive around town (or more likely join in making the Traffic Jam From Hell – a statement in it’s own right…)

Once in Florida, I’ll work on the details. I’ve a few days of driving to think on them…

I checked various States for their guidance on travel-with-Covid. It was amusing. California’s POV is “Don’t even think about it, people will DIE!!!! AND we’ll arrest you at night!!”. Arizona was ‘well, just be careful’. New Mexico said “IF you even touch our dirt, quarantine for 14 days!!!” and after some searching you find ~”Or how ever long you are in the State so if you are passing through just don’t mingle, ok?”. Texas official State page basically consists of links to the CDC with a “Read what they say, then y’all do what’s right.” attitude. I think they left of the /snarc; or /sarc; tag ;-) Across the rest of The South it is the same.

Don’t know what the “rules” are yet for I-75 up the East Coast. Don’t know that I care to find out. IF I start making that run on time, the last thing I’ll care about is the “rules” in some State I’ll have passed through in a couple of hours. If worse comes to worse, I’ll just hit up Georgia and protest at their election (Jan 4 IIRC).

Knowing things might be ‘sporadic’ on the road in terms of open hours or availability of services, I’ve ‘walked the whole route’ on Gas Buddy. Gasoline prices vary dramatically. From about $3.50 over most of California (and the occasional $4 in the middle of nowhere take-it-or-run-out land) down to about $1.61 / gallon in central Texas, then back up to about $2.20 in Florida. Clearly grading with distance from the Texas refineries and with a “Special Bump” for Kalifornia… Looks like about $1 / gallon ‘extra’ just for us, for?…

In good weather I run to Reno Nevada first as it is the quickest shortest route out of State. But crossing the Sierra Nevada and Rockies in winter is not a good idea. Even I-40 through Flagstaff (at 7000+ feet) is a snow risk. Yet “Crossing the Los Angeles Basin” during curfew, lock down, et. al. is a risk of it’s own. I might not have enough time to make the border. So I’m going “overland”. Into Arizona fast, then a right turn and run to I-10 and warmer flatter land. Small mountain exposure, but not too much ( I hope ). Avoiding the long climb to Flagstaff, following the Colorado River. Gas drops $1 / gallon as soon as I’m over the border, plus no “curfew” to worry about, so I can drive at night.

As opportunities present, I’ll post updates (probably short comments here from the tablet ‘somewhere with WiFi’…). Tablet typing is full of ‘creative spelling’ as it doesn’t sense finger position as well as I’d like, then creatively ‘corrects’ the spelling sometimes. As a touch typist of some speed, I find it horribly slow.

It looks like I’m chasing one storm, but in a day or two will be chased by another. IFF I’ve timed it right (and I usually do), I’ll get across the country without weather problems. If not, I’ve got chains and such in the car. But really, once on I-10 in the land of warm, the odds of snow drop a LOT. (But not to zero, as I experienced not that long ago…) But there’s still a risk of a decent downpour or three. (I have cold weather gear, food, and a stove in the car, just in case I get stuck. Oh, and a tent. Not snow rated, but something if I need to hike out of somewhere and have shelter along the way. Otherwise the car is a great tent ;-)

Will This Never End? – POTUS

As of right now, weather looks decent in D.C. on the 6th. I guess we’ll find out then if this is likely to end soon.

I’m packing my “motorcycle suit” and helmet “just in case”. A very nice set of tough nylon with impact pads in all the right places. Not dirk proof but will slow fatter blades a lot, and blows to joints just get softened dramatically. The helmet is full face with visor. IFF “crap breaks out” and I’m in the middle of it, I can put that gear on and be quasi-armored against hand attacks, rocks, bottles, etc. Plus, it’s black, so I can “be among them” in their uniform, sort of. Hopefully enough I can just walk out of any Aw Shit without incident. It’s also VERY warm, so nice cold weather gear.

I suspect no matter the result of Jan 6, that “this” is not going to end for at least 4 years.

Will This Never End? – Brexit

The E.U. “agreed a deal”. Parliament to decide if they like it. Scots saying they will vote “Nay”. N. Ireland seems peeved (don’t they always? I can say that as my ancestry is from both sides… ;-)

So in a day or two we ought to know if it is a deal, or a WTO Exit. In either case this one ought to end in a few days.

HOWEVER… Seems the idea floated about is a “Provisional approval” vote to then be reviewed after the new year holidays are over and maybe kinda sorta approved, but maybe with changes, and some more “negotiation” and… I guess they like the spendy bit on room service, dining out, bar tab, etc. at the “negotiations”…

My attitude stays the same:

“For God’s Sake, man, just leave already. Take your sovereignty and leave.”

Until you sign some “treaty” or contract, you have liberty to do what you want and to make, or not make, dumb agreements. Once signed, you are committed. It is perfectly fine to just “Walk Away” and negotiate free of threats.

In Conclusion

I’ll likely be “celebrating” the new year somewhere in a rest stop along I-10 in the middle of Texas. As drinking in a parked car is a bad idea, and bars are likely not going to be empty enough to take another Californian, it will most likely be celebrated with a tin of canned stew and a bottle of water, then a nap in the sleeping bag on the passenger seat. I’m OK with that. But do hoist one for me, OK?

Now it’s time to load up the last bits in the car and “let the adventure begin”.

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197 Responses to W.O.O.D. – New Year’s Eve 31 December 2020

  1. Nancy & John Hultquist says:

    If you must.
    Good luck.

  2. pinroot says:

    I’d love to go to DC on the 6th, but being married to a liberal, it’s probably not a good idea. I have to keep some things to myself to promote the domestic harmony. If you do go from Florida to DC, I do know that travel through NC should be no problem. We do have a 10 PM curfew, but I think that pertains mostly to restaurants, bars and alcohol sales; travel through the state should be no problem. On the interstates, troopers will usually give you an extra 10 MPH over the limit with no trouble (not so in Virginia, so I’ve heard).

    I did find the following site that is for the Jan 6th #StopTheSteal protests: http://www.wildprotest.com. There may be others to check into. This one gives a list of speakers and might be useful for connecting with others who might be going. It has a section for connecting with others who might need rides, carpooling and such. Might be worth looking at to see if you can find others to connect with, if for no other reason than “there’s safety in numbers”. Anyway, if you do make it to DC, stay safe!

  3. SolePublic says:

    Good luck!
    Here’s a good 20,000 ft view of what we are facing.

    33:47-55:02 for the time limited.

  4. Just found this, looks interesting.

    I like the little disclaimers Yootube has started adding to content they disagree with but isn’t bannable (yet).

  5. The True Nolan says:

    @ PE Pinroot: Very interesting video. The fact that The Powers That Be (and sadly that includes many (most?) Republicans) do not want the ballots fairly and objectively examined tells us everything we need to know. We are watching the equivalent of “let’s bet $100 on the flip of a coin, but you don’t get to look at the coin.”

    They aren’t stealing an election. They are stealing a country.

  6. Steven Fraser says:

    @The True Nolan: ‘We are watching the equivalent of “let’s bet $100 on the flip of a coin, but you don’t get to look at the coin.”

    Much like congress voting on a 6000 page bill with 4 hours of reading time… Seems like I recall this same tactic was used for Obamacare… vote on it in order to know what is in it.

  7. President Elect H.R. says:

    We’re in our first stop on the way to Florida. I’ve a few notes of interest regarding things we’ve chewed on here.

    Travel and masks: We stopped for gas twice in Kentucky and the Mrs. hit the loo both times and also snagged a cup of coffee at one stop. She went in both places with no mask and no problem. The first place was busy and she said most had masks, but not all. The second place was small and no one else was there so who knows. Oh wait. I was at the pump and someone pulled up for quickie-mart stuff and they went in without masks.

    At a Kentucky rest area, I pottied, indoors 😜, while the Mrs. too the dogs to potty. No masks on anyone.

    Got to the TN RV park and was greeted by the same lady we see every time we stay. She was wearing a chin mask. I asked if I needed a mask and she said, “No. Come on in and pay up.”

    I also asked her – she’s 40+/- and I think maybe minus a couple of years – if she was worried about getting Covid. She knew she was in the young and healthy group and unlikely to get very sick, let alone die. Not worried at all.

    I asked if she was taking extra vitamin D and she said yes. Some zinc? Yes.

    So…. word gets around, despite the YSM misinformation or quashing good information.

    I’ve got some trailer stuff to do right NOW, so I’ll have to report on the cell phone/Roku experiment later. Kind of interesting.

  8. Another Ian says:

    I wonder how much zinc the population got in earlier times by dringing rainwater stored in galvanised iron water tanks?

  9. SolePublic says:

    H’es right this time – like a stopped clock, but the guy has LOST it – personal experience from dealing with Overstock.com. You gotta concentrate of the real signal ignore the psyops and crazy ravings – they are playing you, but hard to tell which is which.

  10. SolePublic says:

    RE zinc: Cells tightly regulate internal zinc concentration and limit zinc entry. To increase zinc concentration inside cells requires a zinc ionophore (an ionophore makes a channel into the cell) – e.g., quinine, quercetin, hydroxychloroquine, pyrithione, etc. Zinc blocks infection by RNA viruses by blocking the first step in taking over the cell using viral “RNA-replicase.” However, zinc must be inside cells to do so. Diets with more non-domesticated plants likely had greater levels of zinc ionophores as they are an evolutionarily popular defense compound.

  11. Compu Gator says:

    I assume that your mention of driving I-75 from Florida to D.C. was one of those tablet typos; I-75 is the direct route to Atlanta and Chicago.

    Starting from somewhere on the I-4 Corridor crossing the Florida Peninsula [@], it’s I-95 that gets you to D.C.  Roughly 850 mi.  My travel details were also from 40 years ago, during the days of the federally mandated 55-m.p.h. freeway-speed limits.

    For conservation of petrochemical “nonrenewable reources”,  didn’tcha know? The number was chosen by the Carter Administration (1977–1981), based on maximum fuel economy averaged across what might’ve been termed “the U.S. auto fleet”,  when driven in each’s top regular gear. Hmmm.  Was that an early example based on a “computer model”?

    Beware that back then, under the laws of the Commonwealth of Virginia, speed violations at or above 15 m.p.h. over the speed limit carried an automatic “reckless driving” charge. But I never had problems on I-95 in Va. if I were “just keeping up with traffic to avoid getting run over”.

    The “Springfield” previously mentioned is a town/city in Northern Virginia, slightly inland from the Potomac, very near the southern intersection of I-95 with I-495 (the latter being the notorious “The Beltway”). Dunno about demographic upgrades and downgrades in the region, but I would dare to recommend that out-of-towners not park their vehicle(s) in Prince Georges Co., esp. not the in the vicinity of the Anacostia Freeway.

    You might be surprised by how much the Metrorail system has expanded in 40 years. I recall there being only a Red Line and a Blue Line, maybe also a Green Line. Now there seems to be a line for every major color in the spectrum. A full-color hardcopy map might be well worth carrying, esp. if the ebb-&-flow of demonstrators leaves you in places you never expected to be. But if the D.C. protests are located on the Mall as usual, your destination will probably be the long-established Federal Triangle stop. Or maybe it’s been renamed for the surrounding Smithsonian museums. As I learned quickly all that time ago, those museums, which you might consider useful places to kill time while you wait for Metrorail return traffic to thin out, are open in the winter only ca. 9–5.

    Ahhh, Hey-ell. Maybe with a “smart” cell-phone, you don’t need to worry about things as quaint as hardcopy maps. The “(U.S. National) Park(-Service) Police” wouldn’t jam cell-phones & GPSes during such peaceable assembl(ies) unfriendly to the Deep State, would they?

    Note @: I assume, from your writings about contracts in Florida (e.g., at Mouse World) that your initial destination is in Central Florida, most likely Osceola or Orange Co., but possibly also Seminole or Lake Co.  I also assume that you would’ve narrowed down the location, had you believed that there was some advantage to be gained by informing all your readers.

  12. @TheTrueNolan “They aren’t stealing an election. They are stealing a country.”
    You’re right, I hadn’t thought of it like that.

    @ Anyone going to DC on the 6th:
    According to this map (https://wildprotest.com/#map) everything starts in the area of the Capitol Building, at the far east end of the mall. According to Google maps, all of the Smithsonian buildings are temporarily closed (could be for Covid or some other reason). Still, won’t be able to kill time there. I read somewhere that the Proud Boys will be there, but they’re going to wear all black to blend in with Antifa, so that should be interesting. It’s recommended that you don’t bring any firearms, mostly because of DC’s gun laws I would guess. It’s also recommended that you don’t bring anything you can’t afford to lose (I’m assuming camera/phone/laptop sort of things). Something to consider for possible tactical/op-sec reasons is the concept of the ‘gray man’ (https://www.tactical.com/how-to-be-a-gray-man/). I wish I could be there, I’m sure it will be interesting.

  13. beththeserf says:

    Happy New Year to all US patriots. EM and HR, take care!

    Re BREXIT, the one positive event in a difficult year for Liberty.. Like EM says. ‘just go!’ Leave the EU train wreck, designed by the un-elected European Commission to rubber stamp the expansion of guvuhmint by un-elected autocrats. The EU – 225 regulations for glasses, 172 for mirrors, 210 for spoons ..Scotland still wants it?- Welfare serfs! Academics support it?- Rent seekers!
    Don’t listen to them, Brits…Rule yr selves.

  14. philjourdan says:

    @Pinroot and CompuGator (and EMS) – Re: Travel through Virginia

    The cops allow 5 with no problem, and only rarely get you for under 10. But with out of state Plates, keep it to a maximum of 7 over the limit. Reckless is over 80, or 20mph over the limit, which ever is lower (so in a 55mph zone, that is 75, but in a 70mph zone, it is 80).

    CompuGator is correct about 95 (if you are taking 95, use the I-295 bypass around Richmond. It is 1.4 miles longer, but the speed limit stays at 65-70 the whole way and the traffic is less). If you are going to “go with the flow” on 95, you will be doing 10 over easy. The Cops do not seem to want to pull you until you get faster than about 15-20 over. Except through downtown Richmond. They set up speed traps all along there, and most of that way it is only 55. But I have noticed the google Maps warns of upcoming speed traps. A favorite of State Troopers is just past the West I-64 split, they hide behind a bridge and grab you as you fly past.

    Springfield is the southern hub of the beltway. And the interchange is a nightmare. Better now than before, but unless you are going to DC, bests to avoid it at all costs. Since you are going to DC, unavoidable. But the Metro is much better. I parked in Springfield to catch a Nationals game and took it. Dropped me off right at the stadium. Given the driving, I highly recommend it as it is very subsidized so very cheap (a full day pass runs $10 and you can take ride it all day long).

    Expect Antifa and BLM to be out in force. They will yell and scream, but the police should keep things quiet, until the end. Then the stragglers will be picked off by Antifa and BLM. That is the way they operate in DC-istan.

    Good luck! Hope to see you there.

  15. Tonyb says:

    Brexit has been agreed in parliament. The deal signed and received royal assent. The new regime starts at 11pm our time 12 midnight in Brussels. That’s it. All that remains is to keep out of the EU clutches.


  16. jim2 says:

    Here’s to what MUST BE a Happier New Year!!! If not, God be with us!

  17. rhoda klapp says:

    Rhoda here reporting from the free UK. OK so far. We haven’t crashed. Dunno about the EU though.

  18. Steven Fraser says:

    @SolePublic & EM: On the topic of Zinc ionophores… I found an interesting reference to Resveratrol as acting in that role. Many of the Red Wines I enjoy have this (quite therapeutic) compound.

    The article, at https://www.janemarkemd.com/covid-prevention-protocol/ covers multiple of the pathways used in various stages during progression of the infection. For each stage, agents are recommended, or contraindicated. Here, for example, is the first place I’ve seen which references what happens when too much zinc is supplemented.

    Also interesting was the effect of Melatonin.

  19. Another Ian says:

    “Nothing to see here. Move along”.

    Not wasting any time!

    “BREAKING BIG: Jovan Pulitzer says Georgia Called in Trucks to Get Rid of the Evidence in Fulton County He is Supposed to be Scanning! (VIDEO)”


  20. Another Ian says:

    Graphic designer’s take on the ballot misprints

    Her twitter thread on ballots in Georgia.

    Via https://joannenova.com.au/2020/12/georgia-voting-machines-hacked-live-and-misprinted-ballots-in-republican-area/#comment-2392544

  21. SolePublic says:

    Interesting read. I would echo Jane Marke MD to buy a pulse oximeter (Amazon had them for ~$25 if not sold out – failing that – check your sense of smell [coffee, ammonia] – ERs are using this indication. [I’m a Ph.D physiologist and read the med literature]

    I resort to herbals only if pharmaceuticals are not available to me. The herbals are “dirty” in that they are not precision agents and contain MANY bioactive compounds (they are chemical warfare agents designed to make insects sick), and who knows whether the dose in the supplement is in the physiological relevant range for humans. For example with Resveratrol it is nearly impossible to get a medically meaningful dose from either red wine or a supplement. But it’s fun to try!

    FWIW I take daily Quercetin 500 mg, Vitamin C 1000 mg, Vitamin D 2500 mg, Zinc 50 mg (superstition, mostly. No side effects after 7 mo). I avoid people – no vector, no contagion. When I have to go into society I wear 2 masks [N95 with valve to protect me, covered by surgical mask to protect others].
    I leave my masks on the car dashboard exposed to the sun, figuring they will be decontaminated by the time I next go out in 3-4 weeks. Corona virus is inactivated from lightly contaminated items by 60m @140F or 15m @200F [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32646015]
    The deal with masks is that they reduce the dose of infective particles you inhale – so you don’t get sick or you get a mild case. What about all the “masks don’t work” studies? People don’t use them properly (nose hanging out, etc) but most importantly, they don’t use them at home – most infections occur within households. I know MDs who have treated dozens of COVID patients every day since March and have not gotten infected because of their PPE – so it works.

    The Eastern Virginia Medical School has made a name for its successful early interventions in COVID infection. Here is their protocol for prophylaxis and early at home treatment. If you want a video see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVy01GVa9dg.

    [Note – sleep is key to proper immune function and tissue repair- so get a bunch if you can]

    ■ Vitamin C 500 mg twice daily and Quercetin 250 mg daily
    ■ Vitamin D3 1000-4000 u/day
    ■ B complex vitamins
    ■ Zinc 30-50 mg/day
    ■ Melatonin (slow release): Begin with 0.3mg and increase as tolerated to 2 mg at night
    ■ Ivermectin for postexposure prophylaxis (200 ug/kg immediately, then repeat on day
    3) and prophylaxis in high-risk groups (200 ug/kg day 1, then day 3 and then every 4
    [Note: Ivermectin is available at feed stores and online for cattle without Rx – make sure you get the dose right – it will deworm you, too, so feel free to enjoy sushi :-)]

    Mildly Symptomatic patients (at home):
    ■ Ivermectin 150-200 ug/kg daily for two doses
    ■ Vitamin C 500mg BID and Quercetin 250-500 mg BID
    ■ Vitamin D3 2000 – 4000 u/day
    ■ B Complex vitamins
    ■ Zinc 75-100 mg/day
    ■ Melatonin 6-10 mg at night (optimal dose is unknown)
    ■ Aspirin 81-325 mg/day (unless contraindicated)
    In symptomatic patients, monitoring with home pulse oximetry is recommended.
    PO2 below 94% should prompt hospital admission

  22. philjourdan says:

    To all the Chiefio denizens, A better 2021 than 2020! Happy new year just seems so impotent this time. I know all but us colonials are in the new year now. May God bless you and yours this year.

  23. President Elect H.R. says:

    We had an ‘adventure’ on the road today. Got to the campsite at 8:30 pm instead of 3:30 pm. All set up by 9:15 pm and just now checking in.

    Everything is OK, but I am all jiggered out. Ugh! I don’t need any more adventures at this point.

    Rain here, so no fireworks to terrify the dogs. They go NUTS, as do many dogs. Supposedly, the 4th of July has the most runaway dogs of any day of the year and the County Dog shelter is always full to overflowing, though most owners call and check in there first thing. Some aren’t so lucky as to get picked up and get hit by cars. I’d imagine in warmer climes, New Year’s Eve is a close second for dogs running off.

  24. Compu Gator says:

    I see that the conservative/patriot demonstration/rally will not be on the National Mall at all (per the “map” on the previously linked Web site [*]). Instead, its specified mustering location is on the far side of the Capitol, thus in N.E. D.C. at the edge of “downtown”,  at the intersection of Capitol Hill, N.E., with Constitution Ave., N.E., and (interpolated) 1st St., N.E.  It’s nearest the N.E. corner of the North Wing of the Capitol, which contains the Senate Chamber and prestigious offices for the highest-ranking senators.

    The nearest Metrorail station for the demonstration/rally now appears to be the redundantly named “Union Station” Station, on the Red Line. I can’t vouch for the safety of walking thro’ only 5 blocks (or so) between that station and the designated mustering site (it’s N.E. D.C., but it is Near N.E. D.C. [☆]).

    Note * : “WILDPROTEST.COM“:  https://wildprotest.com/#map [×].

    Note × : Day-yam!: Yet another public-interest operation, much like a real organization, that is clueless that it should be a “dot-org” (i.e., “organizational” domain),  and certainly not a “dot-com” (i.e., “commercial”, thus money-focused, domain).

    Note ☆ : I dunno what gentrification has occurred over the last 40 years in N.E. D.C., but the foolish leftist policy of releasing criminals from arrest without bail, assuming that the D.C. City Council would adopt it in leftist lock-step with the Biden-Harris platform, can’t help but increase flight of law-abiding citizens from D.C.

  25. p.g.sharrow says:

    Note to party goers in WashingtonDC, the Mayor has ordered a 2 week lock down starting on the 6th so food availability and shelter will be restricted, travel prepared to rough it…pg

  26. Compu Gator says:

    Compu Gator says:
    1 January 2021 at 6:00 pm [GMT]
    Compu Gator commented on 1 January 2021 at 6:00 pm GMT:
    […] the conservative/patriot demonstration/rally will not be on the National Mall at all […]. Instead, its specified mustering location is on the far side of the Capitol, thus in N.E. D.C. at the edge of “downtown” [….]

    I fear that the chosen site creates a serious photographic problem, thus a newsworthiness problem:  Being on the east side of the Capitol, it’ll be on the shadowed/silhouetted side of the Capitol for all but the 1st 2 hours of a “10 AM–5 PM” demonstration/rally. Viewers might be difficult to convince that a crowd completely or mostly in shadow depicts a large turn-out.

    I’m not privy to the organizers’ arrangements with the (U.S. National) Park (Service) Police and the D.C. Police, but I strongly believe that the participants in the conservative/patriot demonstration/rally need to get to the Mall, where the background will be the sun-lit west side of the Capitol, as soon as the organizers can establish their leadership well enough to physically lead the participants over to that side. So cue the Doors: “Break on through to the Other Side“.

    After noon, the sun will be off the S.W. corner of the Capital, and descending from however high the zenith is in D.C. in January (very near 39°N. [⌖]), toward coastal-plain sunset. And that sun, until it’s blocked by the Capitol, will be beaming into lenses, disrupting exposure and the images themselves. Only the diffused lighting of a gloomy overcast will prevent that.

    U.S. Nat’l Weather Service (NWS) forecast window for D.C. has reached Thursday, 7 January [⛄]:

    Tuesday Night: Mostly clear, with a ⟨Wednesday predawn⟩ low around 34.
    Wednesday: Sunny, with a high near 50.
    Wednesday Night: Partly cloudy, with a ⟨Thursday predawn⟩ low around 33.
    Thursday: Partly sunny, with a high near 49.

    Note ⌖ : For comparison, Lake Tahoe, Marysville, and Ukiah (all Calif.) are also at or very near 39°N., while St. Louis (Mo.) sprawl at 38½°N.–38¾N.

    Note ⛄ : KDCA: NWS weather station at Washington “Ronald Reagan” National Airport (DCA), which is straight across the Potomac (i.e., on the Virginia bank) from Washington:  https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Washington&state=DC (or if need be:  https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Washington&state=DC&site=LWX&textField1=38.895&textField2=-77.0373&e=1 [⛄⛄]). And aside from the compelling convenience of the long-established location, it also contains a Metrorail station.

    Note ⛄⛄ : Sooo, what’s the “LWX” in the longer URL?  It’s the “NWS Forecast Office Baltimore/Washington”.  Unusually for NWS stations, the “LWX” is not found among International Air Transport Association (IATA) airport code. In particular, it’s neither Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD), nor Baltimore/Washington International “Thurgood Marshall” Airport (BWI), née Friendship International Airport.

  27. YMMV says:

    SolePublic: “Ivermectin is available at feed stores and online for cattle without Rx – make sure you get the dose right”

    Another web page says don’t use dog Ivermectin as it contains other things, but says horse Ivermectin is pure.

    Ivermectin (Stromectol) is also used in the treatment of scabies,
    and also onchocerciasis and stronglyloidiasis in Australia.

    Ivermectin — 2015 Nobel Prize for Physiology or Medicine

  28. President Elect H.R. says:

    OK. Made it to Florida. Setup for the night. No more adventures (YAY!)

    I still owe those that have pitched in on the Roku/Cell phone remote experiment Mrs. H.R. ran in Tennessee at our first stop.

    She read all of the Roku/Cell phone remote comments and understood what was going on with the two different networks barrier, but she still had a couple of things to try… and a mystery (cue Twilight Zone music).

    I’m catching up on the college football bowl games and vegging out with some Voodoo Ranger Imperial IPA. Good stuff. Not too hoppy. Almost as good as the Unholy ale that I like and sent E.M. home with a couple of bottles of the stuff… which he wrote nice things about after waking up the next day, having had two bottles of the stuff. (11%, as I recall?)

  29. President Elect H.R. says:

    @YMMV -Hey, thanks for the info on the horse Ivermectin. I scored some of that and brought it with me. I know jim2 bought some at the same place I did, Tractor Supply. And I think at least one other regular here got some of the for-horses Ivermectin, as I recall.

    I did not know there are slightly different formulations.

    I found out that it is also prescribed for humans for certain worms/parasites that afflict humans. It’s pill form and the doses are sized humans and not dog or horse body weights.

  30. Compu Gator says:

    Compu Gator commented on 1 January 2021 at 9:00 pm GMT:
    After noon, the sun will be off the S.W. corner of the Capital, and descending from however high the zenith is in D.C. in January (very near 39°N. [⌖]), toward coastal-plain sunset. And that sun, until it’s blocked by the Capitol, will be beaming into lenses, disrupting exposure and the images themselves.


    And once the sinking sun is blocked by the Capitol, it’ll be sinking even farther: I forgot the early winter sunsets in the D.C. area. Reaching forward 5 days from now will find sunrise & sunset nearly the same as today [⚓]:
    • sunrise: 7:24:52 AM;
    • sunset: 4:55:37 PM.

    So the temporal window for photography/videography by ambient/available light is even shorter than I first realized!
    Note ⚓ : Times shown are actually for Annapolis (Md.), site of the U.S. Naval Academy, because the once highly dependable U.S. Naval Observatory Web site has persistent problems, but consider how close to D.C. is Annapolis: 38.9836483°N. (76.482335°W.).

  31. President Elect H.R. says:

    I don’t think we’ll be hearing from E.M. for a bit due to adverse weather.

    We were traveling North to South to Florida and we were about 12 hours ahead of icy, Wintery mixes or, as we traveled South, severe thunderstorms as the moisture-laden warm front from the South butted heads with the cold front coming from the Northwest.

    So I think E.M. is trying to drive West to East through some nasty weather that is setting up North to South.

    Again, we got lucky and were running 6 to 12 hours ahead of any snow or thunderstorms moving from North to South. They were coming from the North and we were going South.

    BUT!!… E.M. is driving right into the side of all that mess and either hitting snow or sleet or freezing rain, or getting flooded out.

    I’m hoping he will post something soon, I’m not surprised that he may be delayed getting… well, anywhere.

    Which reminds me… It was beautiful here mid-way between Clearwater and St. Petersburg on the Gulf coast tonight, but I haven’t checked the weather and we may be getting blasted out of the palm trees tomorrow.

    OTOH, Ossqss is an old Florida hand, keeps a weather eye out, and usually gives me a heads-up if severe weather is headed my way. It has been a big help to the Mrs. and me more than once, as we battened down the hatches on his warning.

    I’m pretty sure E.M. has hit adverse conditions. It’s almost a dead certainty with the current National pattern of cold and warm fronts. But he can handle himself and the drive and just may be delayed somewhere without Wi-Fi.

    “Earth calling E.M. Earth calling E.M. Come in, E.M.”

  32. ossqss says:

    I suspect EM did a straight thougher. Hopefully with success.

    @HR, bad news, you are going to see Mid 60’s this week for highs since it appears you made it down early. Additional bad news, the Lodge is still closed.

    The good new is, the Polar Vortex has split and there will be some sh1t hitting the fan up North in the near term.

    The other good news is I am formally retired until Monday :-)


  33. @CompuGator – Looking at Google Maps, it looks to me like the closest Metro station is the Capitol South station, available on the Orange, Blue and Silver lines. It’s only about three blocks south of the main rally. Just head north on First Street SE and there you are. Of course, I’m sure there will be all sorts of stuff going on along the Mall.

    Thanks all for the info on Ivermectin. There are a couple of Tractor Supply places in the area, I’ll need to check them out. I’ve heard that they also carry antibiotics (and maybe other drugs) for animals (horses mostly) that humans can also take, after making the appropriate adjustments to dosages.

  34. ossqss says:

    In other older news, I just was watching a show on Nan Madol, quite interesting stuff. Considering they had now way to move such heavy stuff. WT*?


  35. H.R. says:

    @Ossqss -WT???!??!!?

    Formally retired… until Monday?!? I didn’t see a winky. I did see a smiley, so it must be something that worked in your favor.

    OK. We’ll have to meet up soon and you can dish all the dirt on that.

    P.S. I brought you your annual sugar OD of Buckeyes. Yes, I’m Type II diabetic, but the good news is that the ratio of peanut butter to sugar in those things make them one of the less sugary confections, so they are a pretty good cheat treat.

    P.P.S. The Buckeyes seem to be doing a decent job of representing the Big 10 against the Clemson Tigers. At least ATM. Things can change and… it’s only a game. There are much more serious things to ponder or act on.
    P.P.S. @ ALL -Since arriving in Florida, I’ve noted that everyone seems to be wearing a mask, but it seems to me (granted, a minimal sample size favoring the anecdotal column) that most of the people are sick of it.

  36. p.g.sharrow says:

    Newsom receives millions in gifts from Soros to sell out California.

  37. Another Ian says:

    “Nancy Pelosi Bans ‘Gender’ Terms Like Mother, Daughter, Father, Son in House Rules”


    Legitimising those half million or so voters found with no relatives?

  38. President Elect H.R. says:

    @Another Ian – I guess we were wrong about there being only one Immaculate Conception, eh?

    P.S. Good to see you back in business.

  39. SolePublic says:

    RE Ivermectin
    I think that the injectable forms can be taken orally – at least that’s what i do for chickens.
    Use the pour-on only topically.

  40. Compu Gator says:

    President-Elect Pinroot commented on 2 January 2021 at 4:11 am GMT:
    it looks to me like the closest Metro station is the Capitol South station […]. It’s only about three blocks south of the main rally. Just head north on First Street SE and there you are.

    The map on which I based my recommendation shows the Union Station Station marker ‘ 🚈 ’ as a wee bit closer to the mustering (i.e., assembly) site than is the Capitol South Station [🚶]. Perhaps the image layer with those map-symbols wasn’t aligned with the street map as well as it could’ve been?  Be that as it may, Wikipedia gives its nod to Capitol South. Upon further review, there might be some advantage in avoiding the Union Station Station, because it’s the busiest in the entire Metrorail system [🚇].

    I’m still hoping that the site marked “COME HERE” with a yellow star [☆] is only a mustering site, and not a place where the Park Police will be confining the entire patriot demonstration/rally. Might Pres. Trump take an interest in such possible plans?  As I previously mentioned, I expect the environment for photgraphy/videography to be quite poor at that mustering site on such a sunlight-deficient day [☼]. At least rain isn’t in that day’s weather forecast.

    Note 🚶 : “This map of Washington D.C. was created from OpenStreetMap project data, collected by the community. This map may be incomplete, and may contain errors. Don’t rely solely on it for navigation.”  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Location_map_Washington,_D.C._central.png, as linked from the right side-bar of the article  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Capitol.

    Note 🚇 : I can’t claim that either station is one of those newfangled stations that opened after my time inside the Beltway, because each opened no later than 1977. E.g.:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Station_(Washington_Metro); https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_South_station. The latter Wikipedia article does assert that its subject station is the closest to the Capitol.

    Note ☆ : https://wildprotest.com/#map.

    Note ☼ : ‘Compu Gator’, 2 January 2021 at 2:00 am GMT:  https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/12/30/w-o-o-d-new-years-eve-31-december-2020/#comment-137102.

  41. Sabretoothed says:

  42. Another Ian says:

    Re President Elect H.R. says:
    2 January 2021 at 12:18 pm

    I’m still in limp mode. Either a big clean after saving or a new computer.

    There is a likely HP on sale atm big format with numeric pad and ssd. 4 cores IIRC.

    First comment is “current HP computers are shit”

    Other opinions listened to.

  43. philjourdan says:

    @President Elect H.R/ – I think he said he was taking I-10, which means all rain. Some heavy, but thankfully all liquid. Still, while the curse in the mid-Atlantic is that no one knows how to drive in snow, the curse in the desert areas are that no one knows now to drive in rain!!!

  44. President Elect H.R. says:

    @Another Ian – I’m using an HP to post this. But I don’t do anything much on a computer anymore so this little laptop has been fine.

    The three or four times it has hit the floor, and we have hardwood floors, it has bounced. As we used to say in the window factory I worked in, if it bounces, it’s a good one (not kidding!).

    The specs are laughable, an Intel I3 and more memory than I’ll ever use. I haven’t loaded my CAD program on it yet as I have been building and making things out of my head and on the fly with tools from the 1800s.

    The other thing about it that I wanted, and is becoming increasingly hard to find, is NO touch screen.

    So I’m out $249 USD and happy as a clam. It seems robust enough. Can’t speak for the other HP models, though. This one is a keeper.

  45. llanfar says:

    @Another Ian have you looked at the Apple silicon Macs? Not sure what your budget is… Mac mini as cheap as $700 will run circles around most PCs… MacBook Air at $1000.

  46. @CompuGator – The Wild Protest site shows that there will be roughly 40 invited guests and speakers at the gathering, so I would expect that is the location for that particular event. They should have a stage and PA system set up at that location. I also would expect that there will be lots of other things going on in and around that area. I understand that the mayor has ordered a complete lockdown of the city that will expire on the 6th. It’s believed that this is an effort to discourage Trump supporters from coming into the city, as most businesses will be shut down (supposedly including hotels, restaurants and other places out of towners would likely go).

    As for the Metro, if you go to Google maps, zoom in on the mall area and turn on traffic notifications, it will also show Metro stations, bus stops and other public transports. Based on that, the Capitol South Station looks closest. If you search for Metro maps, all sorts of stuff comes up, from obsolete maps to projected maps of future Metro lines. However, it’s hard to tell from Metro maps just how close or far from somewhere a station actually is.

  47. I wish this was real! The Best of Biden Infomercial

  48. Another Ian says:
  49. President Elect H.R. says:

    Here’s one that I’m going to hit the snooze button on until I see 100%, 100% of the time.


    It’s like the kids calling up and saying, “You’re going to be grandparents! She’s 90% pregnant.” Um… no.

    But it is interesting.

  50. President Elect H.R. says:

    And an “Oh, by the way” report.

    The truck goes into the shop Monday or Tuesday. It made the decision that I’m not going to be in D.C. on the 6th. I’m driving local short hops, but it’s like the used car ads say: Needs Repair.

    The good news is that directly across the street from the RV park is a repair shop I like. I took it there first thing yesterday but they were booked up; busy, busy, busy. They’ll need parts, and they couldn’t get it on the lift Saturday to make sure of all the parts they will need. So it looks like they will evaluate Monday and with luck, the parts will be at NAPA and it can be fixed Monday. Otherwise, it will be Tuesday before I’m 100% back on the road.

    Hmmm… my truck is 90% A-OK. Where have I seen that reassuring number before? 😜
    And a P.S. I guess I’ll be dropping the “President Elect” on the 6th, unless there are Senate challenges and the process of determining a President goes on for a few more days beyond the 6th.

    “So that means I’ve still got a chance?”**

    **I can’t recall what movie that line was from, but it was funny and stuck with me. It was a response to some gorgeous, sexy female character telling the hapless kind-of-nerdy guy that she might, just maybe sleep with him if he was the last man on Earth.

  51. Another Ian says:

    The way things go.

    Wifa and one son have to get to our regional airport for a plane today. Due to a new Toyota radiator splitting the seam of a tube and dumping the coolant we have a sick Landcruiser held together by hope and Chemi-Weld. We got a new radiator but nothing re the engine. Seems despite the millions that Toyota spend telling you hoe reliable their gear is the cooling system warrenty is straight Henry Ford – check before driving and watch for steam. And it is the only vechile with plates.

    Alternative is a Mooney 201 on a wet airstrip from 32mm this morning. And we needed that rain. So reminds me of Stan Tixier’s punch line here

    Welcome Rain

    A cowboy and an Eastern dude,
    A most unlikely pair,
    Were flyin’ ‘cross the country.
    Assigned, by chance, to share
    The last two seats in tourist class
    On some big jet airplane,
    The conversation that they had
    Was mostly ’bout the RAIN.

    It’d been a pourin’ steadily
    For several days or so,
    Across a bunch of western states.
    And in New Mexico
    Where they were headin’ on their fight
    Most every pond and tank
    Was full, the creeks and rivers there
    Were runnin’ bank to bank.

    The dude had come to play some golf
    And tennis, don’t you know,
    The cowboy, to participate
    In some big rodeo.
    So each one was affected by
    Excess precipitation,
    And neither of ’em could adjust
    A pre-made reservation.

    The Eastern dude was most perturbed,
    And anxious to complain
    How his vacation would be spoiled
    By that confounded rain.
    He fumed and fussed and swore a lot
    And said it wasn’t fair;
    They’d advertised a desert
    And now a swamp was there.

    The cowboy’d be impacted too
    By breaks that he’d been given,
    ‘Cause ropin’ in arenas dry
    Was how he made his livin’.
    Yet he seemed sorta’ unconcerned,
    Not tryin’ to be rude,
    He set out to explain some facts
    To that frustrated dude.

    He said, “You ought to understand
    This country’s mostly dry.
    We need this moisture to survive;
    There’s lots of reasons why.
    So mister, don’t get too upset;
    Let’s try to be more lenient,
    ‘Cause RAIN is always welcome here,
    But seldom is convenient!”

  52. Compu Gator says:

    President-Elect Pinroot commented on 31 December 2020 at 3:43 am GMT:
    It’s also recommended that you don’t bring anything you can’t afford to lose  ░ I’m assuming camera/phone/laptop sort of things ░.

    I’ve had a few encounters with with riot-outfitted police and their tear gas, not only on a large college campus, but also in the environs of a quadrennial national political convention. Once, I even suffered extralegal film confiscation. So I believe I’m qualified to offer the following ideas, by applying my, ummm, more youthful predigital experiences to our digital modern age:

    Camera: Depends on how serious one is about photography. Assuming digital photography is all that would be involved, I would recommend (as a minimum) installing a fresh SDHC card. I’m assuming that otherwise, one’s existing SDHC card might contain a continuation from Christmas or Channukah, with irreplaceable recent photos of distant relatives, or of elders whose survival until the next year’s holidays is in serious doubt. A ~$100–$200 snapshot camera with adequate resolution and built-in but disabl(e?)able electronic flash [☼] and packing at least 2 extra sets of batteries [⚡], might be a more prudent choice than one’s more-capable (i.e., expensive) & cherished DSLR. I wonder if clouds of tear gas are any more damaging to digital SLRs than they were to highly tolerant film SLRs?

    Phone: I sure as Hey-ell would not want to wade into a situation with what I assume has serious potential for violent interference from BLM and Antifa, without some device that provides emergency communication [⚠].

    Laptop | tablet: I sure wouldn’t bring a laptop within the potential reach of Park Police, and even more so, of the D.C. Police. A cheap tablet with wi-fi would be redundant to bring to the event location, and arguably needlessly risky for anyone also carrying a smart-phone with photo capabilities, or an relatively inexpensively priced snapshot camera (as above).

    Note ☼ : Sunset at 4:58 PM for Monday, 4 January, per “Sunrise Sunset Times of Naval Academy, Annapolis, MD, USA”:  https://sunrise.maplogs.com/naval_academy_annapolis_md_usa.195471.html.  Practically the same time as for D.C. (very near 39°N.), where I suppose sunset might advance to 5:00 PM by 6 January. Assuming that a platform is set up for invited speakers on the east side of the Capitol, it’ll be in shade/shadow much earlier than that.

    Note ⚡ : Extra sets of batteries, because electronic flash on snapshot cameras guzzles snapshot batteries (e.g., 2×AA size). I assume that most readers of Chiefio already know this, but making the point explicit might be a useful reminder for packing.

    Note ⚠ : The demonstration/rally could be especially conveniently located for BLM: As of 40 years ago, the population of N.E. D.C. was practically all black. Furthermore, D.C. contains 3 largish universities that, as much as I’d hope otherwise, might be sources of Antifa thugs: American U., Catholic U., and Georgetown U., all in N.W. D.C.

  53. Another Ian says:

    Thoughts from the break:-

    Where do you find the most fact in a modern newspaper?

    In the crosswords

    And remember tv doesn’t have crosswords

  54. President Elect H.R. says:

    @Another Ian – OUCH! Because it’s true.

  55. President Elect H.R. says:

    An old saying around my neck of the woods, when you state that you will do something or be somewhere is, “Lord willin’ and the creek don’t rise.”

    Well, as philjourdan pointed out above, E.M. is unlikely to encounter anything frozen coming from the sky but probably some rain and/or storms. The creek may have risen.

    As I noted, we came North to South about 6 to 12 hours ahead of heavy rains and thunderstorms coming from the Northwest and lots of rain pumping up from from the Gulf into Alabama-Georgia-Florida. We had rain here on the central Gulf of Florida early this A.M. until late morning.

    So I’m just guessing that E.M., heading West to East hit those sever storms philjourdan pointed out and “The creek did rise” and the Lord hit the snooze alarm and didn’t intervene.

    I’m guessing our host here hit a delay or was slowed down by some heavy rain. I haven’t heard of any tornados or any severe winds, but there may be some flooded and impassible roads that have brought E.M. to a stop.

    Most of that has moved on to create snowy or icy havoc in the Northeast, so I am expecting E.M. to have perhaps stopped, maybe catch a little shut-eye, and then be over in Orlando sometime soon.

    Traffic for us was lighter than usual because it was New Year’s day, and I expect the same will hold true for E.M. But I think he had to fight a few downpours and will be reporting in late. I suspect his normal run time West coast to East coast will be shot to Hades by 12 to 24 hours. It would not surprise me a bit if his delays were a bit longer than I have guessed and we won’t hear from him until tomorrow, January 4th in the U.S., January 5th for all our cousins in the ‘wrong’ time zones 😜

    If we don’t hear anything tomorrow (Jan. 4 U.S.), let the speculation posts begin.

    (Then again, he may have just had to turn back because he left his wallet in (Bugs Bunny voice) “Albuquerque” and had to backtrack a bit. Just spit-balling here.)

  56. E.M.Smith says:

    I arrived in Orlando area last night, then slept about 10 hours.
    Today was pretty much occupied by host catching up time. We did visit The Feed Store to get a bottle of Ivermectin drench (cattle, not horse… cuz why swallow something if you can just rub it on instead?) 10 ml dose or 2 tsp. Once a week for prophylaxis.

    The reason I said I-75 is because it is about 15 miles up the turnpike that is about 2 miles from his house. We take it north until some cross road to 95 in Georgia or Carolina or something like that. From here, it’s longer to get to 95 as we’d need to go south a good ways to dirt slow 50 or further to I-4, so quicker to go north and cross at a near spot. I didn’t go into all this before because it isn’t very interesting and folks can just look at a map…

    Re Road Adventures: I need to type up a trip report, but when I get to use the real computer. The tablet typing one finger is torture for long stories. The very short form is I perfectly timed it to miss the rain and snow in Texas by arriving after it was done. HOWEVER, that meant unanticipated ice on I-10… New Years Eve until 6 AM or so was spent mostly stopped on the freeway on sheet ice. 20 miles in 5 hours. 98 in 12 hours. Many hours at a time not moving at all. Dinner in the car (flat of bottled water, several sandwiches made while sitting.)

    Counted at least 3 big rigs in the center divide and more indisposed off the shoulder. Hundreds parked anywhere they could including miles of them parked on the freeway. From a few miles outside Fort Stockton to a ways short of Ozuna. (Sp?).

    So I’m now going to bed a 2nd time to refill my “sleep hump”as a sleep camel. Tomorrow I ought to be fine again.

    Thanks for all the pointers to DC info. I’ll make sure we pack food and water…


  57. E.M.Smith says:

    I just had to look at the map…

    Not Georgia, but near it. Hwy 90 from Lake City to Jacksonville…

  58. YMMV says:

    MedCram has a new update on what to do if you test positive:
    “If You Get COVID 19: Optimize Immune System (Vitamin D, Monoclonal Antibodies, NAC, Quercetin etc.)” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN30emwcNS4

    Table of Contents:
    Professor Roger Seheult, MD gives practical strategies if you test positive for COVID-19 (or are in contact with someone who tests positive) including:
    0:00 Video Intro
    1:11 Use of a pulse oximeter at home to monitor oxygen saturation and possible COVID pneumonia
    3:02 How to choose a pulse oximeter
    3:34 Tips for using a pulse oximeter
    5:35 Who qualifies for monoclonal antibodies (bamlanivimab, casirivimab, and imdevimab from Lily and Regeneron), how they work, and how effective are they?
    11:11 The varying level of data/study strength for different strategies
    12:55 Vitamins that may boost immune function: Vitamin D, NAC, Vitamin C, Quercetin, Zinc, Vitamin K-2, Magnesium
    18:27 The importance of adequate sleep (Melatonin discussed)
    21:57 Core body temperature elevation (the data on hydrotherapy and sauna use)
    35:11 Isolation strategies at home: ventilation, HEPA filtration, mask-wearing
    37:32 Summary of strategies to consider if testing positive for COVID 19

    Some of this we already know, and it is similar to what you do as prevention.

    Pay particular attention to 5:35, one thing that does need to be done in the hospital (for an hour).
    Monoclonal antibodies are approved and available, but you will probably have to ask for them because your doctor may not even know that. The list of things that qualify you for this treatment is quite long.

    Boosting your innate immune is still very important, both before and quickly! after the virus finds you.

  59. President Elect H.R. says:

    Well, I was hoping you didn’t have any adventures, E.M. I guess parked and waiting for ice to melt isn’t an adventure. Annoying, but not much excitement in being parked.

    I guess you got here in time for the rain, though. On my side of the State, the next rain is 8 or 9 days out. I hope you have the same dry patch over on the other side.

  60. President Elect H.R. says:

    @E.M. – I’m not sure exactly where you need to land in the Orlando area, but on our first trip to Florida, South of Ocala near Wildwood, the Florida Turnpike (91) splits off from I-75 and takes the hypotenuse route to just above Orlando. We were staying in Winter Haven and the talking lady in the little box with maps sent us that way. You said you had gone down 27 to Winter Haven and past it when looking for acreage around the Orlando-ish. region. I’m guessing SR-27 is along the line you need to go North & South.

    91 hit’s SR-27, if that’s what you need, which passes about a mile East of Winter Haven, or the Turnpike keeps angling past 27 towards Orlando.

    It’s a toll road, but as I recall, it wasn’t very expensive and we had to pay a smidge extra for the travel trailer, I think.

    I think it’s the fastest, most direct way to head North on I-75 from the Orlando area and then up to I-10, and it’s not a lot of coin.

  61. M Simon says:

    Do you suppose this is the BIG promised for 6 Jan? (reposed from another thread)

    A grand conspiracy of pedophilia and murder for extortion and control. Sound like Q? It is not. It is L. Linn Wood, who claims to have evidence. Could it be the 6 Jan bombshell?

    Re Q

  62. Another Ian says:


    “Mitch McConnell’s rich connection with China”


  63. Another Ian says:

    “The 1996 Law That Ruined the Internet;”


  64. pinroot says:

    Tips from a local regarding going to DC on the 6th:

  65. I just stumbled across this: Trump rally live in Dalton, GA.

  66. jim2 says:

    And now for a break, a flight of fancy …

  67. Another Ian says:

    “Nationwide Action Alert: Horns of Jericho – Sound At NOON ET Wednesday”


  68. E.M.Smith says:

    It looks like some “maintenance” has been scheduled on the DC Metro such that a bus bridge is needed to span from the capitol area to all points west, north, and maybe some south.

    We intend to arrive by car WAY early, scout the area, then choose a strategy of parking, Metro from somewhere that works, whatever.

    The “maintenance” conveniently runs from 6th to 8th….

  69. E.M.Smith says:

    Heading out soon, so will be out of touch for a couple of days.

    Taking only minimal stuff, all of it low value, so no tablet…

  70. jim2 says:

    RSBN LIVE-STREAM VIDEO: “Stop the Steal” Rally Tuesday at Freedom Plaza in Washington DC – Prayers for America!


  71. jim2 says:

    RSBN rally LIVE!

  72. Another Ian says:

    “Counterfeit US ballots found in Georgia along with Chinese Shipping receipt”


  73. Ossqss says:

    A brief distraction that will probably make the news this week. If the link works :-)

  74. jim2 says:

    Snake on a Plane …

  75. billinoz says:

    News reports here in Oz are that Trump has ‘successfully’ lost both of Georgia’s Senate seats to the Democrats. Who would ‘ave thunk that the people of Georgia would dare do it ?

  76. President Elect H.R. says:

    @billinoz – I’m not sure what the story is in Georgia is yet. The Republicans had to get a judge to order that observers be allowed in to monitor the count, and I didn’t hear if the Dems ignored the judge or not.

    The runoff was conducted under the same unconstitutional “laws” as the Presidential election and the GOP candidates were ahead by a small margin going into the late night count of the absentee ballots, which they (GOP) were locked out from observing, the same as in Presidential election.

    It smells like another steal to me; counting possibly manufactured ballots behind closed doors and the voting machines and software unchanged.

    That said, many Georgians were so mad at their Senators and Congressional representatives that they said they would not ever vote for them again or would just abstain from voting in the runoff altogether. That could throw a narrow win to the Dem candidates. But a fair number of Georgia’s Dems didn’t even like their own candidates and had the same problem as the Republicans; voters sitting it out.

    So for now, I’m just not sure what transpired in Georgia. One cannot get an accurate accounting from our Yellow Stream Media. We’ll find out more today from a broader spectrum of reporters.

  77. WatchinIt says:

    There is an excellent pollster, election watcher, forensic auditor, and patriot who gives accurate information – Rich Baris of BigDataPoll.com. I follow him @Peoples_Pundit, and https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWubnBV028_4rVoDPt7FpNQ. His channel has 2 podcasts – Inside the Numbers (most recent live coverage of the Georgia election returns) and What are the Odds with Robert Barnes (a Trump legal consultant @barnes_law). I turn to Robert Barnes and J.E. Dyer (@OptimisticCon, libertyunyielding.com) to see through the fog.

  78. pinroot says:

    Re: Georgia – It should be obvious that the Dems used the same playbook as they did Nov 3rd, especially since no one changed or fixed anything, and basically they left the broken system in place. I’m afraid this country is lost. I hope those who think ‘things are going to get better now that the Dems control everything’ live long enough to see just how wrong they are, but I doubt they’re smart enough to realize they’re wrong.

  79. WatchinIt says:

    1. Something else is going to happen that does not fit any of the standard narratives or any
    2. Trump is ineffectual, timid or as stupid as his enemies say, or a combination of all of these.
    Choose one. >

    Also consider https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7NO4gR9eNs
    When out of power, Dems can say any crazy thing without consequence.
    If they prevail, they will be the dog that caught the car it was chasing.

    The Democrats controlled the House, the Senate and the White House for the first two years of
    Barack Obama’s presidency.
    They overreached then – and their party is even more Left today.
    Rest up and get ready to fight back.

    In a recent podcat with vivafrei, maybe this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8EtSavTiVs
    Robert Barnes @barnes_law, who knows Trump, mentioned
    >Trump told him in a recent phone call that now he knows who his enemies are
    >Trump gets revenge
    >He doesn’t give up, he sees opportunity in every set-back

    You can see it with your own eyes – Trump is the only president who did not visibly age during his presidency, arguably more challenging than your typical presidential tenure. He seems just as vital, strong, and determined as ever.

    Think of all he has accomplished – exposed the craziness of the Dems, the destructive bias of the media, the mendacity of the Country Club Republicans, electoral malfeasence, the CCP, the Globalists, as well as all the little things like removing the NK threat, shepherding Middle East Peace, rebuilding the economy…He has changed reality.

    Imagine if Trump’s second term is delayed, and he decides to start a media business…
    He will keep shaking the box.

    Those in DC, stay in groups, get off the streets at night, your enemies are legion and the system is against you.

  80. llanfar says:

    About new revelations out of Italy about the Dominion server ‘recalibration’: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1345229465840828417.html

  81. p.g.sharrow says:

    Elijah Schaffer is in the back of this squad that has broken in to that building. This looks to be an Antifa operation. As Elijah tails them along with with Andy Ngo., the layout and operation going on here looks like Antifa squad in action

  82. p.g.sharrow says:

    The Mayor has called in tactical units to attack the Trump protesters,

  83. billinoz says:

    Major past Republican party leaders have denounced Trump for inciting the riots and anarchy at the USA Capitol, which has forced the abandonment of the Congress’s counting of the presidential college votes.
    Among those leaders former president Bush, and 2012 Republican presidential candidate Senator Romney..


    And in Georgia both senate positions have been won by Democrats. The USA Senate is now tied at 50 senators each with incoming Vice President Kamala Harris having the casting vote. I suggest that the Republican party will take a decade to recover from the Trump lead catastrophe.

    Another thought : With the Republican Party now so discredited in the USA, I wonder if ‘moderate’ Republican party senators will bother fighting the agenda of the far left faction of the Democrat party.

  84. President Elect H.R. says:

    @p.g. – Yes! – False flag. President Trump – it took me a long time to realize that he is strictly Constitutional and Law and Order according to the Constitution, and that’s why he is going to be couped – did not call for as many MAGA patriots as possible to assemble in D.C. and…. I dunno… kill all the Congress-critters and all 100 of the Senators. Just not gonna happen.

    Sigh… President Trump (until January 20th) is one, and the main one, of only a handful of people in D.C. who give a rat’s ass about the Constitution and the supremacy of the free U.S. citizen/individual.

    The U.S. Constitution is all about freedom and individuals’ rights and all about limiting Federal power.
    I still do not know what the up-shot of all the Macheiaalien maneuverings and skullduggery might might bring. No clue.

    But I do know it’s all about sustaining the Swamp and the money it brings to the Big Club….. and ain’t none of us innit.
    The average hardworking God-fearing, or at least sincerely patriotic, and compassionate is about to get financially and culturally wiped out unless some ‘rough men’ step up and… ahem… ruin the day of 100 Senators and about 400+ congress-critters.

    There is not one… NOT ONE… Senator who should be spared the wrath of the common U.S. citizen. I four years, and I believe it is unprecedented, not ONE, and it only takes one, Senator voted to recess so President Trump could make recess appointments. NOT ONE. Not ‘principled’ Rand Paul, hahahahahaha!!! and HA!!! Senator, which is all it takes for recess and recess appointments, stood up for America and Americans. Noooooo…. it’s all about every one of them…. all 100 Senators’ wallets and DAMN the average American whom they are supposed to represent.

    SPIT!!!!! A pox and sincere death wish , if not scurvy and 1,000,000 fleas in the armpits and genital hair of each and every one of our U.S. (%$@#!!&#@!!!!!!!@!!!!)-ing Senators.

    For anyone not paying attention, I am PISSED!!

    IT (Everything) IS ALL WRONG!, Constitutionally and regardless of what you think about Orange Man.

    The Republic is on the verge of being lost if patriots and rough men do not step up.

  85. p.g.sharrow says:

    If the “Moderates” of the Republican party think that they are saving their party by ditching Trump, BOY are they are making a mistake, They are cutting their own throats. And if this election steal is allowed to stand, they may as well lock their doors as the Republican Party can now be locked out. They are Done!
    Back in the early 1980s the Republican party made such a bargain with the Californian Democrats when the Republicans there had political power in that state. After that the Democrats changed the rules so Republicans had little control in a state where the actual voters were much more conservative then their politicians would indicate.

  86. President Elect H.R. says:

    P.S. – I suppose I’ll have to drop the ‘President Elect’ after midnight tonight.


  87. The True Nolan says:

    @ President Elect H.R. “I suppose I’ll have to drop the ‘President Elect’ after midnight tonight.”

    I don’t see why you should. You have at least as much right to claim it as Biden does.

    I think most of us have supported Trump’s Presidency in spite of some misgivings. There was always the question of “is he REALLY fighting for the soul of the US, or is he just controlled opposition?”

    I have essentially zero doubt that the Deep State and its allies in both parties are trying to steal control of the nation. That being said, it is still not too late for Trump to order use of the military to stop the coup. If he gave such an order, would the military obey? I don’t know… But I do know that if he DOESN’T at least give the order and make the attempt, then we have been sold out not just by the Republican Party in general, but also by Trump in particular.

  88. billinoz says:

    Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell

    “…. the Senate will “not be intimidated”.

    “We will not be kept out of this chamber by thugs, mobs, or threats. We will not bow to the lawlessness or intimidation. We will back at our post. We’ll discharge our duty under the constitution and for our nation. And we’re going to do it tonight,” McConnell said.

    “he United States and the United States congress have faced down much greater threats than the unhinged crowd we saw today. We have never been deterred before, and we’ll be not deterred today. They tried to disrupt our democracy, they failed. They failed. They failed to attempt to obstruct the congress, this failed insurrection only underscores how crucial the task before us is, for our republic.”
    “We’ll complete the process, the right way, by the book, we’ll follow our precedents and our laws, and our constitution, to the letter. And we will certify the winner of the 2020 presidential election. Criminal behaviour will never dominate the United States Congress. This institution is resilient. Our democratic republic is strong. The American people deserve nothing less.”

  89. billinoz says:

    Calls that the 25th amendment of the USA constitution be invoked.

    In responding to the riots in the Capitol by the National Guard and by Republican party officials in the Trump administration, Trump was NOT consulted.
    Why ?
    He is seen as instigating the riots and thus unfit for office.
    Twitter has come to the same conclusion and frozen his Twitter account. He is unable even to tweet !

  90. The True Nolan says:

    Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell “…. the Senate will “not be intimidated”.

    Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, Pol Pot — every tyrant says something very similar at some point.

  91. President Elect H.R. says:

    Aaaand another thing….

    Just my opinion, and I’m stuck here in Florida, as many readers here are anywhere else but Washington D.C., but IMO, some ex-SEALS, Rangers, or Delta Force… ummm…. trained participants, shall we say, who have read and understand the U.S. Constitution, if they are so inclined…. I’d I really, really, really appreciate it if they used those skills that I paid for, in some small part, to rid this country of the pox of pocket-lining politicians of Ill NO repute… and send them to their just rewards, which are not pleasant.

    Some very odd things are happening, but I don’t quite know what to make of it all yet.,

    Be it known.. I’m old enough, and I am smart enough to have read and understood the U.S. Constitution and my State laws and, as I have made time to learn and understand, well… I have no idea why there are not 100 dead U.S. Senators that we need to *ahem* mourn this Friday.

  92. p.g.sharrow says:

    You should ask yourself, Why are they so desperate to drive Trump out of office with only 2 weeks left in his administration? Just what are they so desperate to cover up to threaten “IMPEACHMENT !” at this late date? I am sure that today’s action was a false flag operation. There was no reason for Trump’s people to pull this kind of stunt yet. And the Perpetrators gave up walked out.after getting their press stunt filmed and broadcast. This screams psyops to stampede officials…pg

  93. Compu Gator says:

    Despite E.M.’s determination to live up to his iron-man with unstoppabe-Mercedes reputation, I sure do wish that after such an exciting day, our gracious host would stop & settle in to a Motel-6, a Super-8, or something comparably frugal either, in southern Virginia or North Carolina, and sleep the night away. That’s instead of pushing for a straight-thro’ return to Metro Orlando. Hey-ell, that ca. 850-mi. straight-thro’ run was plenty fatiguing enough when I was doing it in my 20s, never mind trying it now, in my 60s.

    And I fervently wish that he had a financially expendable enough Wi-Fi-enabled tablet to have taken along, as his readers endure “no news” from any eye-witnesses that we’re willing to trust.

  94. Eric Barnes says:

    What should be done in the absence of a third party? IMO, you have to register and vote Democrat primaries at least and encourage Democrats to run in primaries, so we at least have some choice. Voting Republican is just pointless.

    Also, pick topics that have some level of support in the Democrat party and push those with your Democrat friends. My favorite is bringing the troops hope and stopping the endless wars.

    Pushing for voting integrity is also a must. I assume it will simply fall on deaf ears at the federal level, but it should be done at the local level as much as possible. There is a lot of support in local areas IMO.

    I’d love to hear any other thoughts.

  95. ossqss says:

    What better way to squash a rising effort, well besides using an arm of government like the IRS from stopping the nonprofit orgs from orging (think TEA), than putting in recently experienced incognito imported troublemakers into the mix, in public, to make their opposition look bad?

    PG smelled it first 》

  96. ossqss says:

    “Every new beginning comes from some other beginnings end”

  97. President Elect H.R. says:

    Ahhh… crap! Everything I’ve written today has disappeared.

    The important thing I tried to say a few times today is that p.g. is right; false flag… Pantifa… sponsored by your friendly local C.I.A..

    Someone needs to give them a new mission, like driving to Samoa for the CIAc ompany picnic.

  98. p.g.sharrow says:

    All I am seeing is chaos at the moment, the coup / counter coup must be under way. All I am seeing is frantic people running around screaming and yelling.

  99. p.g.sharrow says:

    Trump has been too cautious, time for him to make his “Hail Mary” pass, the clock is running out and the ground game sucks because his blockers are too timid

  100. billinoz says:

    Meanwhile your Congress ( the US senate & House of Representatives ) is considering whether to accept the Presidential Electoral College votes of each state in alphabetical order.
    So far objections were made by some congress members and senators for the hSenate and House to consider
    Georgia &
    These are the 5 states which Trump supporters claim had fraudulent presidential elections.

    ALL of these objections have been rejected by the Congress – either by both the senate & the Hof R. or by one of the two.

    It’s all over folks. Time to go home and work out why Trump was rejected at this election by most of the American people.

    This is the USA constitution in operation as established by the written constitution, long established law and customs.
    Riot and invading the Capitol has NEVER been a way that the USA president was decided. It hasn’t been this time wither.

  101. Another Ian says:

    This Winston Churchill quote comes to mind – hopefully

    “You can always count on Americans to do the right thing – after they’ve tried everything else.”


  102. M Simon says:

    billinoz says:,

    I can see politicians ignoring evidence for political reasons. What is yours?

  103. billinoz

    looking at it from this side of the pond I think the answer lies in the casual way he treated the pandemic, coupled with his ever rising volume of comments and tweets that became increasingly perplexing and random.

    I don’t think this is the Way the leader of the Western World should behave as there comes a time when he is ignored then laughed at.

    Tweeting constantly is all very well but it became a stream of consciousness, much of which should have been self censored.

    Eventually the swamp claimed him but especially over this last year he has forgotten how to drain it.


  104. A C Osborn says:

    billinoz says: 7 January 2021 at 7:29 am
    “This is the USA constitution in operation as established by the written constitution, long established law and customs.”

    Er, No.
    The constitution says Pence has to open every envelope and count the votes and he didn’t.
    Pelosi and co also changed the house rules the day before, only the Senate is suppsed to vote.

  105. billinoz says:

    @tonyb, I agree entirely. An said back in May ( on Jo Nova ) that Trumps failure to deal properly with the pandemic, would lead to his defeat in the November elections.

  106. billinoz says:

    @ A C Osborn, please cite chapter & verse of the USA constitution. Though it doesn’t matter at all. The US senate accepted all the Electoral College votes by significant majorities. So your comment is . form of nit picking

  107. gallopingcamel says:

    “tonyb” usually makes a lot of sense with his British objectivity.

    However he is wrong to suggest that Trump was defeated in the election. Trump won in a LANDSLIDE of epic proportions.

    I went to bed at 2 a.m. secure in the knowledge that Trump had won. For example he had a lead of almost 800,000 votes in Pennsylvania. The cheating in Philadelphia is generally assumed to be equivalent to 5 percentage points in state wide counting. Trump was ahead by almost three times that.

    However this was not a normal election year since the Dems have created so many new ways to cheat thanks to mail in balloting. Joe Biden is an illegitimate president and we need to remind everybody about that daily. They called Trump illegitimate based on no evidence. There is abundant evidence that this election was stolen.

  108. galloping camel

    Thanks for the back handed compliment. :)

    I have been following the extremely comprehensive coverage that Jo Nova has been carrying. A lot of the ‘evidence’ of falsifying the election is quite thin, some is quite interesting and warranted more investigation by a court

    Also Antifa, BLM and XR seem to be allowed to run riot with impunity, whereas a relatively small right wing crowd receives enormous criticism, I suppose because it was aimed at the capitol.

    If the election was ‘stolen’ this is a story of epic proportions. Trump has not helped himself, a more equitable and respected character would certainly have gained more traction. However not all MSM or other influential centres of news are left wing, and any relatively neutral or Trump supporting media would surely be able to draw attention to what is alleged to have been going on?.

    I think it unlikely Trump won in a landslide. I do not want to dismiss it completely because we have had 4 years of a titanic Brexit struggle whereby enormous deep state forces and influential media attempted to persuade us to hold another referendum or at least to effectively stay within the EU’s orbit.

    So nothing is impossible and I guess that as they say, these things will come out in the wash, and if there is another truth it will gradually come to light. I suspect Trump has shot himself in both feet over the last few days and I can not see him running again in 2024

    I have no idea if the Republicans have any radical reformers who can continue to drain the swamp in 2024?

    I have no enthusiasm at all for Biden/Harris. . I think Harris is a trojan horse and will be President in a year or two at most


  109. billinoz says:

    @Galloping Camel,
    1 :There is an infectious pandemic. 350,000 Americans have died from it in 12 months.
    2 : It is unwise to gather large numbers of people together at this time even for elections.
    3 : Thus voting by mail in or absentee becomes a fair 7 sensible alternative to voting in a polling booth on the day.4
    4 :Almost all the states that you claim committed electoral fraud have Republican state administrations ( Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania etc )
    5 : These Republican administrations conducted the elections according to their own laws
    6 : There have been over 50 court challenges to the elections. ALL THESE COURT CASES FAILED. The supposed evidence was rejected.
    7 : Many of these court were presided over by Republican party judges. And three Supreme court judges were appointed by Trump for their conservative values.
    those are the facts.

    But under USA constitution you have the freedom to your own views, however misinformed.

  110. pinroot says:

    @BillinOz – Trump wasn’t rejected by the majority of the American people, he was rejected by the Deep State.They’ve been against him from day one.

  111. ossqss

    interesting link, thanks.


  112. p.g.sharrow says:

    @ HR and friends a bit of fun;

    Curse you Red Baron!

  113. A C Osborn says:

    billinoz says: 7 January 2021 at 3:02 pm
    I cannot believe that you come on here repeating Democrat mass media Bull Shit.
    To start NONE of the evidence has been allowed to be viewed in a court of law, it has all been prevented by techinical legal issues that do not stand up.
    Like Texas and 18 other States do not have “standing”
    Have you looked at the actual Evidence for yourself?
    Like the 3 women running the same batches of Ballots through the scanning machines 5 times?
    Or do you in your wisdom consider that normal behaviour?
    Have you watched the 5 hours of evidence presentations made to the Senate Judiciary hearings?
    The last one was so compelling that the committee that included 3 Democrats immediately called for a Complete Ballot Audit.
    Those states that you mentioned, every single one of them rejected the election results and were at the Capitol building to present their cases to Pence.

    Because until you have please do not come on here quoting what those that have know there is plenty of Evidence..

  114. A C Osborn says:

    Sorry, at least 2 Democrats in the Senate Judiciary committee.
    The vote was unanimous.

  115. patrick healy says:

    Very interesting that 350,000 Americans died from Covid.
    Here in the Soviet Monarchy of Britain, the official deaths FROM the Chinese flu was 388 otherwise fully disease free people under the age of 60. That figure (for England and Wales I believe) was from the Government Office of National Statistics.
    Mind you so far this annual flu season I cannot find any record of any one dying From our normal flu, or no sign of our annual Winter Excess Deaths from cold, old age, hunger poverty or loneliness.
    Ah well lets hope that when Joe is installed after his glorious victory, the CCP will switch off this virus and we can all kiss our friends again. sarc/
    BTW let us not forget that old Prince Philips’ most infamous quip was “I wish to return to earth as a virulent virus” so that he could eliminate multi million ‘undesirables’ to help with the population ‘problem’ – he being a Bilderberg Malthusian. Strange how many people have forgotten that.

  116. YMMV says:

    And we were hoping that 2021 would be better than 2020…
    As our host would say, “Hope is not a strategy”.
    But… it’s worse than that.
    Hope is a coping strategy and now there is no hope.
    Stage 4, inoperable, terminal. All that’s left is the shock and grieving.

    Usually we feel sad for those we have lost in the previous year.
    Now it looks like those were the lucky ones; they won’t have to live through what is to come.

    “Hope Can Save People From Making Bad Choices”

    Without hope, there is only depression and acts of desperation.

  117. Patrick

    Here are the stats for 2020 deaths for the UK from the Office of National Statistics


    The numbers who have died in 2020 are of the same order as those who have died in preceding years.

    Stats are confused by corona virus being active during warmer weather, unlike flu which tends to be an Autumn and Winter ailment hence the notion of ‘excess winter deaths’

    Consequently it is as yet difficult to know what ‘excess winter deaths’ will be during 2020/2021 as at present they are not exceptional, as can be seen in Figure 1.

    So what will constitute the criteria for ending lockdown depends on what we believe to be an especially bad or unprecedented year. So the statisticians will need to argue as to whether 2020 and 2021 warrant the dramatic action being taken that is affecting every facet of our lives and will have a long term effect on our physical mental and financial health.

    Bear in mind there were 50000 flu deaths in 2017/18 and we then had 2 light flu seasons. This seems to tie in with the average age of a covid death being 82 whereas the average life span in the UK is 80.


  118. Another Ian says:

    “How did PDT achieve so much surrounded as he was by so many enemies?”


  119. E.M.Smith says:

    Just an FYI that I’m back from D.C. More when I’ve got a real keyboard.

    Do note that the “news” about D.C., including from Fox, is just incredibly overhyped click bait.

    There were a few hundred thousand peaceful family types with conservative law abiding values being incredibly polite. There were, maybe, 50 to 100 “roudies” who went past fencing and stood on the capitol steps. Some unknown few went inside and the police murdered one lady, and used flash bangs and tear gas on the rest. All this while us on the street were in prayer circles or singing Christmas / seasonal songs. Families with small kids and all.

    I suspect some false flag agitators did the dirty bits. The had no typical Trump indicia about them AND it started while almost everyone was still walking from the Washington Monument. How can you riot when you are not there yet?

  120. billinoz says:

    A C Osborn, just who the fark are you ?
    Freedom of expression is supposed to be in the USA constitution but you want me to bugger off because you don’t like the FACTS i present. Perhaps you missed that when going to secondary school ?
    All the world is wrong except you and those who agree with you. Instead you resort to verbal abuse & verbal bullying.

  121. E.M.Smith says:


    Two drivers, taking turns sleeping in the passenger seat…..

    Yes, a solid 6 hours in a real bed last night were wonderful.

    Overall: 12 hours driving up. Walking 4+miles, standing 9 hours, no breaks, 12 hours back. Total elapsed, about 36? So looks like I’ve still got it….

    Why I avoid hotels:

    Way too many times dropping $60+ on a room only to find out I can’t sleep in it anyway as the sprays, fragrance, whatever has my eyes burning, nose stuffy, and lungs clogging up. IFF I’m going to be somewhere 3 or more days, it can be worth it to tox decontaminate the room; otherwise 3 to 6 free hours sleeping on an uncomfortable car seat beats 9 hours time lost, no sleep, and breathing problems.

  122. A C Osborn says:

    Billinoz, I did not say fark off, I said if you haven’t educated yourself on the actual evidence, hours and hours of it, then you have no right just coming on here repeating mass media sound bytes.
    Have you watched the Senate Judicial Hearings or not?
    How dare you come on here and say “there is no evidence” if you have not done due dillegençe to find it.

    You can have your own opinion about how good the evidence is when you have seen and analysed it all, not repeating the bull about courts rejecting it, they didn’t reject it they refused to look at it, a completely different thing.

  123. Nancy & John Hultquist says:

    E. M. wrote: “I suspect some false flag agitators did the dirty bits. They had no typical Trump indicia about them …”

    Over the past couple of years, I note (I think) having any sort of march or demonstration invites the sort of agitators that just want to harm, burn, and tear down whatever is handy.
    Word is that the Capitol Police did not expect this and chose to have a smallish presense so as
    to not incite trouble. That was a big mistake. I’d have told them, but they did not consult me.
    I suspect DJT was surprised at the outcome. Otherwise he should have been more forceful in asking folks to be nice.
    I suggest he make a sincere statement asking followers to go home, then go to Mar-a-Lago and stay there incommunicado for a long time.
    The Republican Party needs to prepare for the 2022 elections. I do not see him being any help to anyone in this. Contrast Trump’s actions with Nixon’s Noble Pass on a 1960 Recount (there is a short reprise in the WSJ, by By Irwin Gellman Jan. 5, 2021).

  124. philjourdan says:

    @BillinOZ – you did not present facts, you presented talking points. For example, you stated that every court rejected Trump’s evidence. That is a flat out lie. No court rejected his evidence. No court heard it.

    Stop lying.

  125. E.M.Smith says:

    @N&J H:

    Trump did issue a statement telling folks to leave the capitol. We had already left by then, about an hour before I’d guess, and at that earlier time there were already huge numbers leaving.

    Substantially, folks walked, very peacefully, from the elipse to the Capitol building, most then either immediately left, or, like us, did one circuit of the approved driveway circle, looked arround, and left.

    We’d been standing in a stiff cold breeze for 8 hours. Everyone wanted to be done, so mostly left quick. The “issues” at the Capitol building supposedly started at 1 PM. Folks were just starting the 1.8 mile walk then… We arrived at the building about 2 PM, and gas started being used on the stairs a few minutes later. As soon as that started, lots of Trump Supporter types started leaving in droves. We were back at the car and gone a bit after 3 PM.

    IMHO, and needing confirmation evidence, their were professional trouble makers already at the Capitol before the Trump Supporters started walking to it (needs independent timeline analysis as I was middle of a very long walking crowd) and likely Antifa False Flag agiprop instigators trying to rile up a mob to action) while getting nearly no takers…

    We had one, black clothes but no mask, on their signature shoulder slung bull horn, saying “The action is up there on the steps”. Then when noone moved, met with two others in black clothes to discuss what action was happening. Trump supporters mostly had MAGA or similar hats, lots or red white and blue, flags, stickers, etc. These folks didn’t fit the pattern in either dress or demeanor.

    Could they be nutbar right? Sure, but that’s usually different dress too…and different pattern.

    So, ought Trump just fold, take the hit from a propaganda False Flag operation, and quit? Then he paints ME as one of the nutbars doing the agiprop operation. A hundred thousand or 2 of good honest nice family folks end up sullied and dirtied by a False Flag Psyop. I find that course offensive.

    What ought to be done is an honest presenting of the facts. It won’t be though. It will be a media circus of lies and distortion “for effect”. It already is.

    So the nation is choosing to be ruled by a crime family, listening to lies, believing propaganda, and rewarding dirty tricks. You’re good with that? I’m not. But at this point see no good solution.

  126. pyromancer76 says:

    Thank you, E.M., for your patriotism and all the effort you gave to answer the call of President Trump. If not for VP Pence going the traitor-route, it might have turned out differently, and the way the President hoped.

    I am surprised there was not much more preparation on the President’s supporters’ parts for the absolutely certainty of Antifa-types there to turn an amazing gathering of patriots into a leftist goon activity – to use for propaganda purposes.

    I don’t think the “nation is choosing.” Well over 100 million of us (I think this is the more accurate number) chose otherwise, but the voting machines (owned by whom?) denied us our voice.

    Thank you once again.

  127. H.R. says:

    I am pondering what to do. The Uniparty closed ranks and allowed the steal. They should all be removed from office.

    There are no Senators, ZERO, representing the interests of the American people or rule of law.

    There are a few Congressional Representatives that represent the interests of the American people and the rule of law. I don’t know how many but I’d make a WAG of 10, or a little more, and probably less than 30 at the top end.

  128. Serioso says:

    I always find it interesting to read what the Trump [insult removed] have to say. If anyone still believes that Biden & Co. stole the election, despite some seven or so million votes, they need to look at a few of he recounts. There’s a [insult removed] floating here, in desperate need of sinking, Mobs with Confederate flags are not patriots but [insult removed].

  129. Ossqss says:

    What happened in Germany in the mid 1930’s (1935 IIRC) that allowed Hitler to gain his initial movement to power?

    This is a test!

  130. Ossqss says:

    Please remember those in other countries who have already gone down the road of losing parts their liberties don’t see things the same way as those who still have those liberties.

    Observationally specific opinions, from a different and historically imposed “current” perspective.

    One example, think about what Yamamoto said about invading America?

    Another test! ;-)

  131. Serioso says:

    What is there to say about the Trump [insult removed]? Anyone who still believes the election was stolen has to account for roughly seven million of these “thefts”, Furthermore the fact that the recounts consistently agreed with the machine counts shows there was little or no theft. The Trumpers at the Capitol constitute a [insult removed] that demands and deserves sinking. And a mob carrying Confederate flags are not patriots but [insult removed].

  132. p.g.sharrow says:

    Yesterday release of Italian Court documents that include sworn testimony that, IT specialist working for Italian Defense contractor and government officials hacked the Dominion system to change the American election votes and the election from Trump to Biden.

  133. p.g.sharrow says:

    @Serioso; If you gave me 100 dollars of real bills and 900 dollars of counterfeit bills. How many dollars of money would I have? After 5 counts of the bills I still only have $100 and the rest would still be worthless paper.
    But you would insist that you counted $1000 !
    Your argument is just as worthless as your paper.

  134. Ossqss says:

    Voting for $5 gas, higher taxes, taxes on retirement, 401k’s, destroying small businesses and on and on voting against the future of families and young in this country are primary examples of Lemmings.

    It comes, “The Great Reset”, as desired by those who don’t really know, and those that do know what they voted for》

  135. Ossqss says:

    Here ya go. He does pretty well with his reset synopsys’s [spelling;-]. Read chronologically as appropriate.


  136. gallopingcamel says:

    E.M.Smith said:
    “So the nation is choosing to be ruled by a crime family, listening to lies, believing propaganda, and rewarding dirty tricks. ”

    We have been here before. The Clinton crime family stole hundreds of millions of dollars but nobody will indict. Fear of Arkancide?

    Now we have the Biden crime family taking over the country. Biden is on tape boasting about corruptly manipulating the Ukrainian government. Biden is a self admitted crook and now you have Ukrainian officials “Blowing the Whistle”:

    There were hour long videos explaining the Biden corruption in detail but now all I can find is this three minute snippet:

  137. Nancy & John Hultquist says:

    E.M. “You’re good with that? I’m not. But at this point see no good solution.”

    I’m not happy with Biden/Harris, but that has now been decided — and I think it was clear from about Nov. 10th. Why? Because the States control the election procedures and none could be expected to concede they screwed up. Further, there is no easy way to show sufficient screwups to change the outcome. I’ve read dozens of reports of all sorts of things — thousands of pounds of false Chinese ballots given to a shredding company — all equally implausable and of no merit. There are some things that do warrent attention — by State authorities.
    I also think it is time for DJT to go off and let the police, lawyers, and State (meaning the States) officials do their thing. What role now does DJT have in this? There is nothing helpful insofar as I can see.
    Republicans and Trump supporters should now focus on 2022.

  138. E.M.Smith says:


    I have something of a better answer now as to what really happened. Exact details later as right now I need sleep more than another posting done…

    There were 4 different rallies / events at the capitol. The one I attended, sponsored by a Women Voters group, was hours of speakers ending with a Trump speech. It had the usual retoric of “fight for America” and fight for justice type stuff, now being spun as some kind of ‘go pick a fight’ incitement. Meanwhile ON THE CAPITOL grass, another smaller group had an event with a name more like ‘reclaim the Capitol’ or some such. It specifically said to take to the capitol steps.

    Upon arrival, folks self selected into that group if the were rowdy activist sorts. They were the ones causing trouble, and could start it fast as they were already at the capitol building.

    The Big Lie is to attribute their actions to the group from 1.8 miles away, or to what Trump said to that group 1.8 miles away.

    This also explains why the steps were already filled with people before we ever got to the capitol building.

    The open questions circle around who said what to that group, and were the organizers or participants leveraging those folks to damage Trump. I.e. to what extent were they really Trump Supporters, vs agent provocateurs or just rowdies who wanted a fight with anyone available?

  139. billinoz says:

    @philjourdan : It is you is obsessively and blindly lying and attempting to bully.
    I merely report the facts.

  140. billinoz says:

    @ OSSQAS “What happened in Germany in the mid 1930’s that allowed Hitler to gain his initial movement to power?”
    Well a big help was the order by the pope in Rome that he Catholic German Center Party not oppose Hitler. This happened after the concordat signed in 1933 by the papal rep Eugenio Pacelli ( later pope Pius the 12th from 1939 ) and Hitler.
    Pacelli really was “Hitler’s Pope” as explained by john Cornwell in 1999 in his book of that name.

    PS I may have outstepped you here. And given you a different answer to the facts you had in mind.. Ohhh well

    PPS Biden & Harris will from the 23rd be president & vice president of the USA. Another fact. The question is how folks here deal with what they DO while in office. As apart from folk imagine they will do.

  141. M Simon says:

    A good review of American election fraud. From Italy.

    Italygate – foreign election interference

  142. M Simon says:

    Nancy & John Hultquist says:
    8 January 2021 at 5:44 am

    We now have foreign interference in an American election. Vouched for by Italy.


    I’m not counting Trump out until Joe takes the oath to defend China on the 20th.

  143. M Simon says:

    Serioso says:
    8 January 2021 at 3:07 am
    You missed the Italian connection. Leonardo. Election fraud.

  144. M Simon says:

    p.g.sharrow says:
    8 January 2021 at 3:58 am

    You “got to Italy” around here about 5 hours before I did. Excellent.
    I can see the story breaking out in a day or two. I’m spreading it around.

  145. M Simon says:

    First mention of Italy in this thread
    llanfar says:
    6 January 2021 at 7:42 pm

  146. billinoz says:

    Lots of folk who were part of the storming of the USA Capitol went public about it on social media. And USA companies who employ those individuals, are now sacking those idiots for breaking the law.

    PS : One of those caught on camera sacking the Capitol building was West Virginian lawmaker and Republican Derrick Evans, who was sworn in for his first term last month. He deleted a live streamed video on his social media showing him storming the Capitol, while wearing a helmet and chanting Trump’s name. Other West Virginian politicians have called for an investigation into his actions and for his access to the Statehouse to be removed.

  147. M Simon says:

    billinoz says:
    7 January 2021 at 12:17 am

    Before Trump it was the Tea Party. What ever stupid Republicans think this is not going away. It is not dependent on Trump. It is only dependent on “We are mad as hell. And were not going to take it.’ I see the communists and the Trumpers aligned on anti-corruption. No system can function without some. No set of rules can adequately cover all situations. But we now have way more than we can afford. Rule reductions would tend to reduce government costs. And citizen overhead.

  148. M Simon says:

    billinoz says:
    8 January 2021 at 10:26 am

    Joe Scarborough was mad as hell at police for opening the doors. How can you fire people if they did not break and enter. How can walking through open doors in a public building be a crime? This is beginning to feel more and more like the CCP version of 1984. I don’t care for it. At all.


    Capitol police remove barriers.

    If we had a Reichstag this would be called a fire. And funny enough all the proposed ,measures will easily be forthcoming because Trump is just exactly like Hitler. Or soon will be unless we get all his followers into health and rejuvenation camps.

    I’m sure there is some perverse humor in there somewhere.

  149. A C Osborn says:

    billinoz says:
    8 January 2021 at 7:26 am

    @philjourdan : It is you is obsessively and blindly lying and attempting to bully.
    I merely report the facts.

    Have you watched the 10 hours of evidence provided to the 2 Senate Judicial Committees under oath or not?
    Your so called “facts” are nothing of the sort, they are Democrat controlled mass media sound bytes.

    Do you even know where to find all this evidence that doesn’t exist?

    You sound more like Serioso with every post.

  150. billinoz says:

    @M Simon, Re The Boston Tea Party : Yes the 13 colonies had developed a distinctive civilisation & values even in the 1770’s; quite different to Georgian Britain & Ireland.

    But I also note that the revolutionary war was only won because France allied itself with the revolting colonies and sent weapons and advisers and most important a FLEET to America. That French fleet defeated the British Navy fleet off Chesapeake Bay. And thus the British army was cut off and isolated from resupply and reinforcements. The rest as they say was history.

  151. billinoz says:

    And here’s another big story about a ‘happy’ Trump supporter who helped storm the Capitol building. She flew from Texas to DC to attend. Happy to acknowledge she did it too on social media but deleted it subsequently from an abundance of caution. :-)


  152. billinoz says:

    @Nancy & John Hultquist
    John fancy meeting you here !
    But be careful where you voice such sentiments !
    I was long ago banned by Jo Nova for saying much the same as you. My comments were left in moderation with hidden bizarre remarks by Jo by way of reply. Now I cannot even express an opinion on the star ratings for her Posts. Once the Jo Nava blog was respected as a source of good information and science for sceptics. But not any more. Jo has destroyed the credibility of her own blog all by her self. :-(

  153. A C Osborn says:

    M Simon says: 8 January 2021 at 10:52 am
    Have you seen this video of the Young lady being shot?
    It doesn’t add up, the gun is not pointing in the right place when it is fired., towards her legs.
    She is supposedly shot with a .45 calibre round in the neck.
    There is no blood at all when they lift her off the white Marble floor.
    There is no attempt at any first aid.
    They allow a dozen guys to stand around filming it on their cameras.
    How is it not still a Crime Scene?
    It looks suspiciously as if we have been played.
    See what you think of it.


  154. A C Osborn says:

    It would have been a through & through at that range so a big hole on exit.

  155. billinoz

    the sure way to get red thumbed at jo’s at present is to offer even mild criticism of Trump. If he had retained some credibility by refraining from his eternal tweeting and off the wall comments, I guess more people might have taken more notice of him when he claimed the election was stolen and might have been more prepared to look at the evidence.

    So unless you were a die hard Trump supporter he has shot himself in the foot. A shame as his record was not as dire as some try to portray and I can see no one else on the horizon to drain the swamp which stretches through much of the West.

  156. jim2 says:

    Tony – about 75 million people rightfully believe this election was stolen and now we have Illegitimate President China Joe. IMO, the Dimowits are more to blame than Trump for what has happened because they are the ones that stole the election. And to make matters worse, they are doing nothing to “bring the country together” like China Joe promised. On the contrary, in their best supercilious, condescending tone, they belittle Trumps supporters misgivings about the election. They are stoking the divide and the anger. It could come back to bite them.

    “Well I’ll tell you what, 74 million Americans are not going to shut up and telling them that their views don’t matter and that their concerns don’t matter and they should just be quiet is not a recipe for success in this country. It’s not a recipe for unity that I hear now the other side is suddenly so interested in after years, years, of trying to delegitimize President Trump,” he continued.


  157. jim2 says:

    A.C. Osborn – In fact there is a video of the shooter and others of the then wounded women, whose neck is covered in blood. It was a very real event. The shooter shot her from the side, not from front or back.

  158. A C Osborn says:

    Jim2, yes I know it was from the side.
    Did you watch this particular video?

  159. jim2 says:

    AC O. I have now watched that video as well as others. She did bleed through her mouth and the dark clothes could have masked more blood. And the amount of blood would depend on exactly what was hit in her neck.

    I’m not buying the QAnon version of this – in fact, I’m not sure that QAnon isn’t a false flag. I’m not sure QAnon is one person or a group of people posting under one name. It’s just too fishy.

  160. M Simon says:

    I have had personal interactions with Q. I do believe he is intel. I also believe his job is to keep patriots from looking at the drug war. His most recent call on that subject was more attacks on the gangs and cartels. The very attacks that are the foundation of their profits.

    They are just an operation in the organization they claim to hate. Funny, eh?

  161. M Simon says:

    My interactions? Q posted a link to a page where I was the top comment. The comment was on the drug war. This was after I had been sending him messages at 8chan (IIRC) about the drug war. He had a Texas Hispanic Congressman spend about 5 seconds on “Space-Time” I do business under Space-Time Productions. A few days later the video was gone. I have no doubt I’m being watched – I used to have (50 years ago) a Secret Clearance. I make it easy for them. I do what I do only in the open.

    So if you have anything to say to them post on a page I visit frequently. Like this one.

  162. M Simon says:

    It looks to me like Trump wants to lose. No mention of the Italian case. At all. It should be the talk of the town.

  163. Another Ian says:

    “Politically correct spies? CIA withheld China Intel because they didn’t want to help Trump”


  164. M Simon says:

    Interesting conversation starting here

    The gist of it? Why is everyone on capitol hill trying to get Trump out of office with less than two weeks to go? Nothing happened on the 6th that BLM didn’t already try. Trump supporters didn’t even get a street named after them.

  165. jim2 says:

    Facebook Bans Conservative #Walkaway Campaign Group
    Founder Brandon Straka said censorship of conservatives will ‘get worse’


  166. M Simon says:

    Uh that link didn’t perform well enough, look for a comment by JayC777 starting with the words “For all you trolls that think Trump is going to do anything but be President for the next 4 years”

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  168. Serioso says:

    Those of you who pray, pray for the inauguration of Joe Biden to take place safely and without adverse incident.

  169. Serioso says:

    “We gather due to a selfish man’s injured pride, and the outrage of supporters who he has deliberately misinformed for the past two months and stirred to action this very morning,” Senator Mitt Romney, Republican of Utah and the 2012 presidential nominee, said after the chamber reconvened. “What happened here today was an insurrection incited by the president of the United States.”

    [Reply: Well, citing Mitt, like that tool has any validity. -E.M.S.]

  170. gallopingcamel says:

    @jim2 said:
    “Tony – about 75 million people rightfully believe this election was stolen and now we have Illegitimate President China Joe. IMO, the Dimowits are more to blame than Trump for what has happened because they are the ones that stole the election. And to make matters worse, they are doing nothing to “bring the country together” like China Joe promised. On the contrary, in their best supercilious, condescending tone, they belittle Trumps supporters misgivings about the election. They are stoking the divide and the anger. It could come back to bite them.”

    You nailed it! Look for the Democrats to over reach even more that they did under Obama/Biden (2008) owing to the ascendancy of the “Left”. The 2010 election went really badly for Democrats owing to their over reach. Expect them to lose bigly in 2022.

  171. A C Osborn says:

    gallopingcamel says: 9 January 2021 at 4:23 am

    Sorry, they will never lose another election, having proved that they can get away with outright fraud they will expand it to every single election.

  172. philjourdan says:

    @billinoz – you calling me a liar is just a juvenile ad hominem because you did not show where I lied. I, on the other hand, showed where you lied. No Court heard any of the evidence. Period. You lied. And then you lied again when you called me a liar. I stated a fact. You have no facts.

    Stop lying.

  173. jim2 says:

    billinoz – it appears you got what you wished for, Trump is out. However, Trump was keeping tabs on China, attempting to rein it in, trying to keep it contained. Don’t expect any such action from China Joe. If China decides to fish in your waters or build a new island with a military base in your back yard, you can expect China Joe to them bait and a shovel.

  174. jim2 says:

    Here is the consent decree that made the steal possible. Voter signature must match EITHER the registration signature OR the application signature. If someone were submitting a fraudulent ballot, they would sign the application and sign the external ballot envelop with obviously a matching signature. No matching registration signature is therefore required.

    Unless someone in the Senate changes from the Dimowit party to Republican, Republicans may never, ever dominate the Senate or House again. The Dimowits are planning to create 1 or 2 new states which will cement their majority in the Senate and add reps in the House. They will expand the number of seats on the Supreme Court and populate those with leftards. They will push the States for further voter law changes that will make even more fraud possible.

    On top of that, there is now ongoing suppression of FREE communications among conservatives.

    This is a dark day. Republicans are also to blame because of the consent decree above and the general lack of balz.

  175. M Simon says:


    It was a lawsuit where both sides agreed and wanted to change things without legislative interference. I’ll sue. You give in. Done.

  176. jim2 says:

    Legislative interference? Are you kidding me? The Constitution explicitly gives STATE LEGISLATURES the right and responsibility to set election laws. Court cannot create election laws. This decree was unconstitutional!

  177. p.g.sharrow says:

    Something is definitely afoot. After the sessions vote and Pence’s declaration, Someone, probable a staffer, shook Pence’s hand and made a hand-off of a coin. some speculate Masonic but my guess a Challenge Coin. Trump is reported to have gone into hiding, but also conferencing with top Military Security people at military base. The Space Force went active Friday and have been given Security access and position by the DNI, their field includes Foreign satellite use against the interests of the US. That Italian hack of the US election specified Italian Defense people ordering the hack and the their need to use Satellite connections to do it. This would give Federal Military authority over State control of the election machines and materials involved in the hack. The game is still in play…pg.

  178. YMMV says:

    Going back to Christmas for a second, it hit me (who knows why it took so long) that Rudolph was “different” and was bullied and picked on.

    All of the other reindeer
    Used to laugh and call him names
    They never let poor Rudolph
    Join in any reindeer games

    That theme is as old as time, but of course in Woke 2020, we do not discriminate by color of nose, skin, hair, religion, or political party, and a few other things. So the conclusion …

    Then how the reindeer loved him
    As they shouted out with glee
    “Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer
    You’ll go down in history”

    … isn’t going according to script.

    You have heard the song a millions times, but have you read the original story?
    So I went looking for it. It’s available on Amazon, but it is surprisingly hard to find on the internet. However, thanks to PBS, the 1935 32 page illustrated booklet is there.

    The history of this story is interesting.

    The assignment fell to Robert May, a copywriter with a knack for turning a limerick at the company’s holiday party. The adman, however, had difficulty summoning up holiday cheer, and not just because of the date on the calendar. Not only was the United States still trying to shake the decade-long Great Depression while the rumblings of war grew once again Europe, but May’s wife was suffering with cancer and the medical bills had thrown the family into debt. Sure, he was pursuing his passion to write, but churning out mail order catalog copy about men’s shirts instead of penning the Great American Novel was not what he had envisioned himself doing at age 33 with a degree from Dartmouth College.

    The booklet 1935, the song 1949, then the movie — 1964

    Apparently what we wanted next was 55 minutes of Christmas-crushing despair: Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer. For more than half a century, generations of children have taken the show, which debuted in 1964, into their hearts, and for just about as long, I’ve been trying to avoid it. From my earliest days, the special produced in me only a fretful anxiety, leading to an eventual refusal to watch it. I couldn’t really explain the problem. I knew only that the show didn’t make me feel very Christmassy.

    After reading this article, I won’t be watching that movie!

    Santa, it turns out, presides over a nonunion shop where underproducing elves are deprived of breaks and humiliated; they dream not of Christmas, but of escape. Poorly constructed toys are thrown onto a bare and frozen island, where they cry and wander. How long have they been there? A year? A thousand years? One of the toys, A Dolly for Sue, looks perfectly fine—why has she been stuck with the misfits? Rankin finally admitted the nature of Dolly’s flaw in 2005, when he revealed that she suffered from “psychiatric problems.” The Island of Misfit Toys, it turns out, is but another atoll in the gulag archipelago.


  179. philjourdan says:

    @Nancy & John Hultquist says:
    8 January 2021 at 5:44 am

    Why? They just pulled off a massive and overt steal. Why should we just forgive and forget? They will do it again. They did it this week. What makes you think that our votes are worth a diddly damn? Seriously?

    I heard the best description of who “we” are. We are not Trump-o-philes. He does not control us. He is OUR creation! We demanded someone to represent us! And we created DJT. The republican party is now history. 80million folks do not want cheats and thieves and deep state traitors. And that will grow as more and more realize they are being “deplatformed” for nothing.

    I have already rooted my android and installed Parler. I never was on Twats. But I am on Parler now. And i [purposefully did it after their Censorship/

    The analogy is Not Nazis. The analogy is Pearl Harbor. The left has awoke a sleeping giant filled with a terrible resolve! Those doing the Nazi comparison are only channeling their own activities. Not ours.

    So not no to your suggestion. But a HELL NO.

  180. philjourdan says:

    @billinoz says:
    8 January 2021 at 10:26 am

    Again, stop lying. SOME wearing their uniforms (or company logos) were fired. But many? What is many to you? 3?

    You have been proven a liar. Stop doubling down on it.

  181. YMMV says:

    Ossqss: “What happened in Germany in the mid 1930’s (1935 IIRC) that allowed Hitler to gain his initial movement to power?”

    Hitler being appointed as Chancellor in 1933? But not because they liked Hitler. “Within two months we will have pushed Hitler so far in the corner that he’ll squeak.” So much for that plan. It only took Hitler weeks to get total control.

    This is the timeline for how fast it all happened.

    What is less known is all the ground work which was done in previous decades to make the German people ready for Hitler — and to inspire Hitler when he was young. Karl Lueger, mayor of Vienna, and chief founder of antisemitism in Austria and Germany.

    BTW, the fcit.usf.edu timeline may not be correct in at least one thing. It says: “In March 1938, as part of Hitler’s quest for uniting all German-speaking people and for Lebensraum, Germany took over Austria without bloodshed. The Anschluss occurred with the overwhelming approval of the Austrian people. No countries protested this violation of the Treaty of Versailles.

    What actually happened is a voting “issue”. The referendum was to decide if Austria wanted to be part of Hitler’s Germany. The planned vote was postponed because of Hitler’s demand backed up by troops on the border. Then Germany invaded and it held the referendum. This time no Jews were allowed to vote, the yes circle was bigger than the no circle, and you had to vote while being watched over by a Nazi. The Nazis officially won 99.7% with a 99.7% turnout. It’s not clear what the vote would have been before. Probably they would have won anyway, so why the big deal about the first planned vote? In any case, anybody who had helped to organize the cancelled vote was hauled away to a a future concentration camp life/death.

  182. Compu Gator says:

    Ossqss challenged on 8 January 2021 at 3:34 am GMT [*]:
    [….] think about what Yamamoto said about invading America?
    Another test! ;-)

    His thought, which was a warning to the most ambitious & confident among the Empire of Japan’s high command, was more or less this:

    There will be a (loaded) rifle behind every rock and every blade of grass.

    I had not recalled the speaker as being Gen.–or was he Adm.?–Yamamoto, but it was certainly by whoever had taken time for college study in one of the U.S. Ivy League schools (I was corrected recently in my mistaken impression that he was at Stanford Jr. U. or U.C. Berkeley). So the U.S.A. was quite a real place to him, not some mysterious foreign land.

    Because the Home Islands of Japan did not have anywhere near enough natural resources to fight a war against an enemy that did, the Empire first needed to prevent interference while it secured natural resources thro’ conquest, notably of the Dutch East Indies for its petroleum. The short-term strategy became focused on disabling the U.S. Navy and Royal Navy in the Pacific & Indian Oceans. There was no need to freshly dream up a new strategy for the major U.S. military bases in Hawaii. Just rework their tactics from their surprise night attack with torpedoes on the Russian Navy as anchored at Port Arthur (now Lüshunkou, at the tip of the Liaodong Peninsula in Manchuria) (1904) in the Russojapanese War. This time, the Empire would be able to use those new weapons of war, fighter-bomber aircraft, whose speed would compensate for ruling out attack under cover of darkness.

    Note * : ‘Ossqss’, 8 January 2021 at 3:34 am GMT:  https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/12/30/w-o-o-d-new-years-eve-31-december-2020/#comment-137261.

  183. philjourdan says:


    This time no Jews were allowed to vote, the yes circle was bigger than the no circle, and you had to vote while being watched over by a Nazi.

    Sounds like a “metaphor” of what happened here. And it is just starting. The purge is coming. Scratch that. The purge is here. They just have not gotten to us yet.

  184. philjourdan says:

    @CompuGator – Admiral Yamamoto. The master of Pearl Harbor. He was very wary of the US. Not that he feared the US Navy in the short term. He knew he had us beaten. But he saw our industrial infrastructure and feared that any war that would last more than 2 years, they were doomed to lose. He did not see his fears played out as he was killed in 43 after the Navy broke the JAIN code and intercepted his itinerary.

  185. H.R. says:

    I ‘missed’ Ossqss’ test question because I thought it was rhetorical. No need to reply then.

    I was confused too, because Ossqss referred to the test question on a different thread.

  186. E.M.Smith says:

    Two Serioso comments are now out of moderation. One, here:
    then this one:

    Cites Mitt Romney as source of authority on what Trump did. Yeah, right. I was THERE and heard the entire Trump speech. At no time did he “incite” me or near as I can tell, anyone else. He did say he hoped Pence would do the right thing and he did say we all ought to WALK down Pennsylvania Avenue. I was in that walk, near the middle. By the time we got to the Capitol building, the couple of dozen to maybe a 100 folks who were trouble makers were already making trouble. THEY were from a DIFFERENT GROUP. (Details to come in a posting).

    My Florida Friend and I stopped at his car (about 1/4 mile from the building along the route of walk) and listened to the radio while we were having a snack. FOX news was already reporting that things had ALREADY HAPPENED a while ago. So how does Trump “incite” things that already happened before the folks he was talking to had even managed to get to the building? Eh? At least 1/2 the folks were still walking past us as we were hearing on the radio that one wing had been evacuated and now the other wing was involved. i.e. it had been ongoing for a good long while. A full timeline on this is needed.

    We proceeded to the building, and there ran into 2 different batches of “instigators”. My general impression of them was that they were not “Trump Folks”. One was a bit like a radical Right Wing Conspirator (but could easily have been doing an act) while the other group of 3 had all the indicia of Antifa. Hierarchical structure, black clothing (minus the mask), similar chants, etc. (“Whose House, Our House” that I’ve NEVER heard from Trump folks).

    In short, I’m of the opinion this was a False Flag plan, to instigate a more nut-bar right fringe via left wing agitators, to then leverage for effect against Trump. And it looks like it worked. I was “solicited” to join the folks on the steps by a guy in Black with a bullhorn. He had just left there and was trying to get others to go up just in time for the arrests and gas. Start the fire, then get others to run in holding matches.

    OK, I need to hold off the rest for a posting or it will all end up just in comments in fragments. But, IMHO, this was planned from the start to “dirty up” Trump and his supporters and give “cover” to the RINOs voting in Biden. Dirty tricks indeed.

  187. E.M.Smith says:

    Working my way through BillInOz comments:

    Bill, you are entirely sucking up the slop of the MSM as though it were true. It is not.

    “It’s all over folks. Time to go home and work out why Trump was rejected at this election by most of the American people.”

    The PEOPLE voted for Trump. The MACHINE voted for Biden. It is obvious in the statistics, the voting patterns, the AUDIT, and so much more. I’ve done computer forensics for a living. This is not even a well done fraud. It’s a mediocre one.

    Yes, the “process” has run it’s course. Along the way we have found that the vast majority of the Congress Critters are FINE with violating the law, abuse of the voters, ignoring the fraud. Anything to get rid of the Peoples Populist President and invite in those getting payola from China. You seem to think that’s a good thing… It’s legal, but it isn’t right and certainly isn’t “good”.

    As I’ve said a few times already: I was there. Trump did not “incite” anyone to riot. If you prefer to accept a “story” by a bought and paid for reporter over a witness who was there, I pity you for your poor judgement. Yes, the “story” is being widely promoted by the 90%+ Democrat Media (actual statistic higher, closer to 98%, but I don’t have it to hand) for partisan reasons. Get that into your head, please. The MEDIA are PARTISANS. (Or did you forget 3+ years of “russia, Russia!, RUSSIA!!!!” crap fabricated out of nothing and promoted endlessly by the same media?)

    I see you are also bought into the notion that the deaths recorded WITH Chinese Wuhan Covid are deaths FROM it. They are not. Deaths are almost entirely those on the edge of death with lots of comorbitities. Then there’s the PCR replication rate cranked up to where a radish can be found to have covid.

    To the extent you are correct, it is just that Trump listened to his “medical experts” as they were undermining sane responses. Faucci and no-mask, mask, no-mask and let all the Chinese with infections run around the country don’t close the border… Then also the “HCQ bad use the $3k Remdesivir” that doesn’t work well. Yes, their ought to have been 24 x 7 pushing of Vit-D, Vit-C & E, and Zinc, along with an ionophore. But what staff at the CDC were advising that, eh? The Swamp is in the CDC too…

    You may not remember it, but I do. Early on in the outbreak in California we had “community spread” of a half dozen cases. The CDC (Faucci) said “15 days to slow the spread.” It was NEVER to STOP the spread. Just slow it so we got to Herd Immunity without overwhelming the hospital staff. That was NOT Trumps preferred action. He wanted to close the borders and STOP the entry. So blame the CDC and Swamp Creatures like Faucci. Now was that deliberate for effect by the CDC, or stupid? Flip a coin…

    FWIW, I agree with the observation that you are just repeating media Bull Shit. I know it is hard since you are a continent and ocean away from personal observation, but please, do try to get outside the Media Bubble. Watch the actual events as recorded by many non-partisan sources. Look at the actual information, NOT the “story” created by a journalism hack ABOUT the events.

    Unfortunately, the “Mainstream Media” have become entirely a Propaganda Operation when it comes to Trump. I don’t know if this is a new thing, or I only started looking into it recently. There’s always been some taint of bias and spin in the news. O’Reilly made a trademark of it with his “No Spin Zone” for decades. But there was an alternative POV available to balance against it. Now, with rampant censorship and de-platforming of anyone conservative, the rush to Progressive Spin is a waterfall. A deluge. IF they are your only source of input, you are being fed hogwash. Dig a little and get actual base factual information.

    In particular, repeating that the courts rejected the cases on merit is a bald faced lie (or repeating a lie without looking deeper). They refused to LOOK at the cases on the basis of process. In once case rejecting it before the election as being “too early” since the election had not happened, then rejecting it after the election as it was “too late” since the election was over. That isn’t justice, that’s dodging the issue. Remember that our Judges are largely appointed. Want a better gig and career advancement? NEVER rule on a risky case. Be bland so there’s nothing either side can tar you with during confirmation hearings. That judge just scored big time with Democrats and did OK with RINOs in the swamp too. He’ll go far…

    Remember that Judges are just lawyers in a robe. They go the same schools, want to attend the same cocktail parties, want their kids to have it nice in the same private schools. The last thing they want is to be labeled as a Populist or a Trump Supporter… Even “conservative” judges have come from a lawyer pool that’s highly biased “progressive”. The “Long March Through The Institutions” has made most of our educational institutions Progressive Leftist Mills. That includes the law schools.

    So yeah, even Republican appointees are looking for ways to NOT have a big issue in their court. They know this is huge and figure their best interest is served by passing the buck. Trump’s failure was failing to court friendships with them. Pander to them. Get them “on side” with him. He expected them to have honor to their oaths and support justice. Silly Trump… these are lawyers after all…

  188. Simon Derricutt says:

    Though I’d normally leave an old WOOD and write to the newer one, EM’s two comments above are pretty important and easy to have missed if you miss a day of looking at the latest comments.

    The BBC and France 24 have been insisting that there’s no evidence of voter fraud, so much so that they never mention any of Trump’s accusations without putting “unfounded” before them. Since I’ve looked at the statistical evidence, and the leaps in numbers when the witnesses have been sent home because vote-counting is stopped for the night but turned out not to have been, and I doubt if there really are half a million people in Pennsylvania who have no partner, parents, siblings, or kids so that their names are absolutely unique within the State, I reckon there is indeed a lot of evidence of fraud. The question is why the courts have refused to even listen to that evidence.

    Another maybe interesting point is that people keep saying that those 75 million that voted for Trump will be annoyed. Given the fraud, I reckon it was more likely 80 million+ who will be annoyed. Kind of hard to specify just how many.

    I’ve been listening a bit to the impeachment speeches, and I don’t recall Trump’s speech asking for the Capitol to be invaded. How can these politicians claim what they are claiming, when there will be a transcript of the speech available? Maybe they’ve forgotten Seattle and Portland already, and what they said at the time…. By chance, the BBC showed the “storming of the Capitol” live, and I saw the security/police wave people in, though I’m not sure who opened the barricade (not that that was a difficult task since it seemed they were just placed together and weren’t bolted together). I also saw what appeared to be the police inviting the protestors to climb the steps, and there didn’t seem to be any incivility at that point.

    We seem to have had a progression of announcements that Trump’s legal team will show all the evidence and suddenly wrest victory from the jaws of defeat. Tomorrow, or next week, or…. Didn’t happen – the courts refused to hear them. At the moment, I don’t see how Trump could indeed win when the media control what most people are told, the courts refuse to listen to evidence, and the House and Senate are happy to tell the lies they want without any comeback. As EM says, the false-flag at the Capitol was pretty obvious, and also should actually have been expected.

    I’ve no idea where things go from here. Most of the people I know believe what they hear on the news, about Trump and about Covid. It is after all wall-to-wall astroturf, and the more often something is repeated the more people accept it even if they start by knowing it’s untrue. It even affects me, so on things like CAGW I need to go back to base data every so often to be sure I’m not reading things wrongly. For Trump, for sure he’s not my kind of people since he grew up rich and is too fond of bling – but I expect I could do a deal with him on a handshake and be safe. (For Boris Johnson, or indeed a lot of politicians, if they did shake my hand I’d need to count my fingers afterwards to make sure they were still there. In fact, since on the news behind me at the moment Boris is pontificating, I have to suppress the urge to shout “w**ker” at the screen since he won’t hear it.)

    Most of the people here do a lot of questioning as to what the truth is. This does seem to be fairly rare, and rarer still in the young. That four-walling of propaganda works pretty well for most people, it seems.

  189. YMMV says:

    I think Fauci’s plan to not do anything to protect the people until a vaccine is ready has backfired.
    (BTW, whatever good masks are, they obviously are not good enough). There is already talk of a third wave, that the second wave is now worse than the first, and they say Moderna has said that the virus is now endemic — it is never going to go away. We know mink can get it (and who knows what other animals). It’s out there. So until that vaccine gets given to enough people that herd immunity slows down the spread, remember the things that the government did not tell you about. Vitamin D and other things.

    I found these two videos of taste tests of horse IVM entertaining. Both comment that it does not taste like apples.

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