W.O.O.D. – 3 Days To Shape A World: 18 Jan 2021


This is another of the W.O.O.D. series of semi-regular
Weekly Occasional Open Discussions.
(i.e. if I forget and skip one, no big)

Immediate prior one here:

and remains open for threads running there (at least until the ‘several month’ auto-close of comments on stale threads).

Canonical list of old ones here:

3 Days To Shape A World

In the next 3 days, the shape of the world for the next many years will be cast.

One path has Beijing Biden made POTU-SINO (POTUS In Name Only). China will own the USA, and lord help the world.

The other path has Trump pull a giant Magic Trick legally and politically, and preserves the USA. A likely side effect would then be some kind of more “kinetic” confrontation with China, and potentially a Civil War inside the USA between the Communist Insurgents ( BLM is a self declared communist organization, as is ANTIFA ) and American Patriots.

Neither path is particularly pleasant to contemplate.

So get your beer and chips (or wine and cheese) spreads set up. Or, perhaps for some, your MREs and ‘load out’… It will certainly be Something, one way or the other.

In any case, the masks are off and we now know just how bad Chi-Com infiltration and “long march through the institutions” has gotten. To some extent, who’re the traitors to America. In all cases, who is not supporting traditional American Values like free speech, liberty, the right to pursue happiness, etc.

In the last few months I’ve learned:

I will never use Twitter, nor Facebook.
I will avoid as much as possible any Alphabet / Google properties.
Amazon & Android are not on my friends list.
Apple is rotting from the core.
Bank Of America is to be avoided at all costs.
Any Democrat controlled City is headed to (or already arrived at) Hell Hole status. Flee. Just flee.
The DNC is run by sociopaths who hate America.
They also endorse thievery, bribery, blackmail, intimidation, lying, and fraud.
The RNC is only slightly better in that they don’t endorse it, they just practice thievery, bribery, lying, and cowardice.

On the plus side, a My Pillow is in my future, and I’m going to slowly work my way through all the Goya products… Plus, I’ll be saving a LOT of money on movies, TV, anything with Hollywood “stars” in it.

I may need to put the Julia climate model project on hold for a while (it will be moot anyway. Trump will not need a proper model to know what to do, and Usurper Biden will just sign up for the Paris Rip Off in any case.) But we all will benefit from a “Privacy & Security Road Map” through setting up a VPN, Fediverse “social media” and communications systems, and how to encrypt all your files and communications. Plus, I’m exploring setting up a Blog Mirror inside my lab ‘for that day’.

We’ll know which way the typhoon blows by end of Wednesday, I think. Thursday for sure.

Australia & The UK

Having more or less successfully slipped the grasp of Globalist Europe, the UK needs some friends. At the same time, China is preparing to decimate Australia (then likely look for reasons to invade it if US Presence is removed by China Joe). I really think you two need to be making strong alliances Right Now. Bringing in more of the Commonwealth wouldn’t hurt either. If the USA is off the Pacific Stage for the next 4 to 8 years, you all will be needing a new defence buddy. Chat up Taiwan and India while you are at it…

The Tech Bastards & Other Corporate Shills

If there isn’t one already in progress, I think we’ll need a “Dance Card” of who all has pissed in the Free Market punchbowl and who is worth a dance. I’ve got a partial list above, but with Biden “in”, the list will explode rapidly. Might as well start working it out now.

In the Tech sphere, I’ve not seen a single big tech company that wasn’t licking China Boots (or further up the backside…). I’ve got a partial list of “alternatives”, but to some extent it is just playing Whack-A-Mole with the Commie Mob. Maybe the right thing to do is just lay out the whole process stack and get a Sugar Daddy to fund building the alternative stack.

I’d start with a Conservative Bank. Does one exist? Or is it a new build?
On that, layer payment processors, credit card, “cloud” providers, etc.

Hopefully it can still be built inside the USA, but if not, most of that can be offshored. Anyone up for building out a Cloud and Service Provider in Belize or Bermuda / Bahamas? Easy banking there too. Just sayin’… I’m game if you are.

I’ve already posted articles about alternatives to Eewtube (Odysee, Bitchute) and Google (DuckDuckGo). Social Media is pretty much GAB and Parler with some other minor choices. A Fediverse distributed model is next on the To Do list. Plus a regular VPN to use.

Covid Crap

We’ve got several vaccines floating about now. We’ve also got several treatment regimes shown to work, and a couple of preventative systems. Then, too, by this time a LOT of us ought to already have herd immunity going.

So I’m fairly hopeful that things will start normalizing very soon. IF Not: I think folks will just start ignoring the Government and doing what they need to do to survive.

I just did a coast-to-coast and 1/2 way up each coast (the equivalent miles to all around the outside of the lower 48) along with standing in a small group of 1/4 Million of my closest friends. My regimen was tested greatly, and I’m still symptom free. I’m past the incubation period for symptom onset.

So from my POV, “we’ve got this” and mostly what’s needed is an education campaign about Vit-D (and other vits) Zinc, and a zinc ionophore (HCQ, Quercetin, etc.) Then ivermectin & Doxycycline if folks get sick. (Or HCQ / Z-Pack; or…)

In Conclusion

Times change. The world changes. Life moves on. Sometimes it moves on in violence and turmoil. I’m hoping for a longer bit of Quality Time with Trump, but if it turns out “Policy For Sale!” Biden is the choice, I’ll cope. I still have a little hope that Congress might notice and care about rampant Graft from the Oval Office (and more than just asking where their share is deposited…)

But if not, well, independent folks have a way of making it despite hardships and opposition.

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263 Responses to W.O.O.D. – 3 Days To Shape A World: 18 Jan 2021

  1. Graeme No.3 says:

    Have you considered advising less computer savvy readers about how to avoid Big Tech?
    another ian
    A “big tech” almost.
    I’ve got my new computer and the first major discovery was that the Windows 10 version wouldn’t allow anything not via their app store. Which most of what I use wasn’t, having had enough of Microsoft’s “left handed and backwards” approach. And 24 hours of re-exposure didn’t change that view.
    But there was a mention of being able to install such software via the clipboard – with no elaboration. And nothing on the net. So I posted a “help needed” at Chiefio and got this:-
    “the following is from a Microsoft Help Page that directly relates to your issue etc: ….Switching out of S mode is one-way. If you make the switch, you won’t be able to go back to Windows 10 in S mode.”

    Sophocles (to another ian)
    My advice, for what little it’s worth, is:
    Don’t do anything with the machine: remove the disk drive and replace it with an MT one and load Linux onto it. Linux Mint is pretty good and very friendly. Join the Free Open Source Movement. I’ve used Linux almost full time since 1994. I have two machines and sometimes use/run OpenBSD too.
    Haven’t missed Microsoft at all.

    another ian:
    Unfortunately some software that I don’t care to go through transplanting is only Windows.
    Re Linux – are you following the “System D” situation? Seems it is replacing the small “does only this” programming approach with a Windows-like all purpose amoeboid mass with similar problems. My experience with Windows 10 “safe mode” (1) leads me to question what else there was inside.
    And remember that Microsoft et al now have seats on the Linux board

    So do I, with news that the new Apple up-grade will include messages to Apple about what programs you use, although the report didn’t mention tracking what Internet sites you access.
    Further I wondered that System D might have been an early version of this, and the problems with it may have been new code interfering with the old.

    So what would you suggest? Installing Linux Mint (which I gather looks like Apple’s OSX) which his Mac using partner found convenient (so would I). Open BSD?.
    Yes, I could buy a new computer and HD but what operating system? Being lazy I prefer a graphical one. Also what search engine? I doubt DDG is available. Brave has been recommended as has Vivaldi (“Opera without the bugs”).
    Just a thought.

  2. David A says:

    I read of a group of conservatives suggesting keeping your Amazon card, and only ordering woke items, and always returning them. Quite costly to both, and easy return policy is what sells many online orders, and other offense oriented ideas on costing the deep state corporations.

    Excepting some very major surprise, President Trump will leave public office, yet there may be some unexpected long term affects from the Trump Presidency…

    Of course, as many have noted, 75 to 80 million patriots are not going away. The number one goal of any sane Republican party should be election reform. ( Without that, 100 million won’t matter) with truly fair elections anything may happen as global economics are fragile.

    The internet will find a way, and many millions of customers will flow into alternative venues.

    President Trump has been the great centrifuge, exposing the deep state ugliness, not just to US citizens, yet to the world as well. And he has exposed their global ambitions as well. And many soverighn nations don’t want to be ruled by the global fascists with their multi-nationals. This will have many repercussions in the future, as half the world says no to one world rule.

    Domestically the Rhinos are now exposed. Will citizen Trump truly reform the Republican party, or start a new one? Will he be able to?

    The half of the world that wants one world rule, working hand in hand with the multi nationals, will begin to fight among themselves. Over what? Why over who really rules. Will the US and European statist choose to become puppets to the China statists?
    History and the dark side of human nature indicate not.

    Economies and monetary systems are all very fragile, trust is very low. A reset of some sort is likely, and while we have general ideas on what reset the one world statist want, are there other, possibly more benign, forms it could take?

  3. David A says:

    I wanted to add that President Trump’s astounding work in the middle East will not vanish. His domestic policies, and foreign policies were astoundingly successful, including the ideal of not starting foreign wars, withdrawing troops, etc… I think his policies have legs, and will look ever better to a watching world. History may be very kind to Donald Trump, and he may not be done.

  4. rhoda klapp says:

    EM, I’d like to hear your opinion of Rob Braxman who appears to have the same concerns about privacy as you do. He has several videos on YT.

  5. To realise the depths of the swamp is to understand why Trump-a political novice who failed to understand its extent nor the vast numbers of powerful people who wanted to keep it swampy -failed to drain it .

    There are clear parallels to Brexit in as much we had our own very deep swamp, whereby the huge majority of our establishment, academics ( some 90 percent were remain voters) Bankers and politicians were resolutely determined to remain in the EU. They spent three and a half years conducting intra parliamentary civil war against the democratic vote in their attempt to make the referendum null and void, organise a new one and this time ensure the result was the “correct” one.

    This has happened a number of times whereby other countries have voted against EU treaties and been told to vote again.

    This puts the Presidential efforts only since November into perspective, as it took the UK two general elections, an EU election and council elections to achieve our aims. During these leavers sent a clear message to stop prevaricating and trying to do deals to keep us in, before Boris Johnson won an overwhelming victory and remainers had to reluctantly concede that, even though the voters were obviously complete idiots, this is what they wanted and what we voted for in 2016.

    My point is that our two situations are similar but we had more election opportunities to send out a message that even our establishment had to take note of, which was not the case with your institutions who had not been cleansed or taught a lesson ..

    You will need a credible person and a clear message in 2024-because nothing will change in the next 3 days-to reverse the BIden administration and drain the swamp. I do not know who that will be or if the message is strong enough, as it eventually proved to be with Brexit.

    For those interested in the Brexit struggle and its comparison with yours, this is a good read of a new book -if the reviews are correct.


    I will be ordering my copy today of Robert Tombs “This Sovereign Isle” but never through Amazon.


  6. Simon Derricutt says:

    Maybe apt?

    From Bayou Renaissance Man (Peter Grant)

  7. Scissor says:

    Good one Simon D.!

  8. A C Osborn says:

    There is a third route, if Trump leaves, instigate civil disobedience a la France.
    Truckers and car owners jam roads, cities, ports and airports.
    Trump supporters boycott everything China, big tech, Democrat and GOP.
    But this will require ORGANISATION.
    Is their anyone capable of such organization?
    Is there the will of the people to do so?
    If you really want to cause havoc we all know what the really big weakness is don’t we.
    I won’t say it on here though.

  9. A C Osborn says:

    I am also sure that there are a lot of talented hackers in the US as well for denial of service etc.

  10. AOC proposes funding to deprogram white supremacists. And of course, what they mean by “white supremacist” is “anyone who doesn’t think like the left”.


    She really is a special kind of stupid.

  11. The True Nolan says:

    @AC Osborn “If you really want to cause havoc we all know what the really big weakness is don’t we.”

    As E.M. and others have pointed out, looking for the “negative space” often gives better information than looking at the obvious. Yes, anyone who has put some reasoned thought into it can see MULTIPLE weak points in the infrastructure of a technological civilization, major cities especially. In at least one way, that is a great comfort. Why? Because for the last 20 years we have been pounded by MSM and governmental outcries that the “TERRORISTS!!” are coming to get us. (And yes, I have no doubt that there are sporadic individuals and small (very small) non-State groups who would do us harm.) Still, if the terrorists REALLY existed as an existential threat and wanted to bring the US to a halt, the weak points would be under constant attack. But they’re not. The negative space, the thing that didn’t happen, is to me an indicator that maybe the Big Bad Wolf is either not so big or not so bad. (Side note and subject change: We need two types of linguistic “or” for exclusive and inclusive. I propose “or” for exclusive or, and “orr” for inclusive or.) Of course there are those who say “the reason why we see so few terror attacks is that our TLA are so wonderfully efficient!” Pardon me while I wipe the coffee off my keyboard and blow my nose. I still remember how the 1993 World Trade Center bomb was built to FBI orders and paid for with FBI money.

  12. Steven Fraser says:

    @EM: I used Facebook for 2 years, beginning about 2016, and then deleted my account and left in early 2018 because of the data sale revelations. I have not regretted it. Never signed up for Twitter.

    Re: Swamp. I agree that Trump was not able to drain it, but in trying, he certainly showed some of its extent and depth, which were surprising to me. Even as recently as the last 2 weeks, the complicity of the FBI, DOJ and CIA and Congressional Leadership is coming further into the light.

    Almost as a fault, Trump picked seemingly appropriate persons for many positions, who turned out to be feckless; their characters revealed once in the limelight. The deeply embedded connections to the China influence/Money machine, and Soros, throughout governmental institutions and Universities, has been eye-opening. The involvement of two US Embassies, Ukraine and Italy, in this malfeasance is astounding.

    All of this, and especially the issues experienced by the Trump campaign to get election vagarities addressed at multiple levels, has proven out (for me, anyway) that a systemic issue exists in our legal structure and processes: Standing in cases of Constitutional malfeasance, as evidenced by the uniform refusal to accept the fraud case ‘hot potato’ in almost all the jurisdictions where filed. We may have thought that we had sufficient checks-and-balances of power. Turns out, not so much.

    So, I think it comes back to us, the People, to insist in all contexts and venues that our voices are heard in our States, and that the voices the States and People are heard nationally. This will take work, and, I think, 6-10 years, perhaps more, to ferret out the bad actors, and to fill the systemic holes.

  13. Group sues Apple demanding Telegram app be banned like Parler

    Can’t have the free exchange of ideas, now can we?

  14. The True Nolan says:

    @ Steven Fraser: “The deeply embedded connections to the China influence/Money machine, and Soros, throughout governmental institutions and Universities, has been eye-opening. The involvement of two US Embassies, Ukraine and Italy, in this malfeasance is astounding.”

    The people of China have a long memory and I cannot help but be reminded of the Opium Wars. Western governments (primarily Great Britain) bribed local officials to allow the illegal sale of opium in China. When the Emperor of China attempted to stop the sale, the Brits responded with superior technology and military force. In the process they burned down the famous Summer Palace.
    After more than 150 years, the remains of the Palace are still kept as a reminder of European destruction of Chinese sovereignty. So now the Chinese have amassed vast sums of US dollars, not by selling opium (does fentanyl count?) but by selling us cheap consumer goods, and have used that money to bribe our politicians and gain control over most of our Federal government. Our President (not quite Emperor, although most Americans can’t tell the difference) has attempted to remove the corruption, and has been driven from the Palace. The next step? In China, their military was not match for the Europeans, and the Brits prevailed. Here in the US, I HIGHLY doubt that there will be direct military actions by any foreign actors — but can our military effectively respond to a concerted memetic attack by propaganda and bribed officials? We will find out, won’t we?

  15. philjourdan says:

    Re: My Pillow – my wife has trouble sleeping, so I got some of the My Pillows. At first she scoffed at them, and refused to use them! But then she snuck them into our bed. Next thing I know, she has me driving all over town trying to find more for the other beds (she changes rooms based upon the season). So from a very hard person to please, that is a big endorsement.

    Walmart carries them locally. But I prefer to get them from mail order.

  16. E.M.Smith says:

    @Graeme No3:

    I have an old PC that I haven’t used in a few years. It has WIndows XP on it (just in case I need to recover some old Windoze document I forgot about). Also on it is a copy of Devuan (a non-SystemD Debian based Linux that I like very much). I also have some bootable media (CD Roms, USB sticks) with other Linux versions on them. So I can boot it as a TOR system, or others.

    So yes, I’ve posted bits here and there about doing that kind of thing, but mostly years back. I’m now, basically, 100% Linux. But also yes, it is likely time for a ‘refresher’. Only problem is that I’m out of date on things like “S Mode” as I’ve not touched MicroSnot for about a decade now…

    While I love BSD, it is NOT as user friendly for initial experience as Linux. Yes, SystemD is bad, and a PITA in some ways, AND a major potential security issue; BUT, so far it has not ‘gone to the dark side’ (at least not that anyone has detected). I run SystemD versions on a couple of my SBCs (Single Board Computers) where getting a better choice to run has so far failed. (Usually fairly new hardware where the vendor only supplies a supported Ubuntu or Debian). It’s not THAT horrible, yet.

    First step: Find and follow the directions to shut off “S” mode.

    Step 2: Crack a beer… (Oh, wait, that’s the Steve Wallis videos about Canadian Camping ;-)…
    Actually, Step 2 is to pick a “Live CD” or “Live USB” bootable Linux image. This lets you run linux without an actual installation of it. Lets you get your feet wet, as it were. Knoppix has been a good one in the past (don’t know about now as the use of ARM based SBCs has meant not using CD based Knoppix), and I’d also recommend Debian based systems ( I think Devuan has a live CD / USB version).

    Once you have found a version you like (all the lower level guts are mostly the same in one of two camps, SystemD or not; it is the User Interface / Desktop that varies and there you can make choices. Some “Mac Like” and some “PC LIke” and some just different. I like both LXDE, now renamed LXQT I think, and XFCE, but Mint is nice too as are others. You can change after first install. In fact, the UI / Desktop can change between user / login / sessions… I can “startx” for my default, or “startlxde” or “startxfce” or whatever for others…) So after you find something you like, install it.

    For most live systems, the install is a ‘click one box’ and maybe answer a question or two. It almost universally installs next to the Micro$oft OS so you can boot either one.

    For those a bit more ambitious:

    Buy a cheap SBC with Linux on it and just “go for it!”. Embrace the new world. I started with one Raspberry Pi at $35. I’ve kept on buying them as they are just so darned cheap (about 1/2 tank of gas in California… Or 3 x a “fast food meal” as we now have $15 minimum wage and even a “KFC” or “Burger King” meal runs about $10+).

    Basically, the cost of entry is incredibly low. Then, you can swap what OS you run with a swap of a very cheap uSD Card. About $7 a throw.

    For a really PC like experience, you do need something a bit faster than a Raspberry Pi Model 3. It is the lower bound of “enough”. I’m on the Odroid N2 right now (6 cores and most of them Damn Fast in comparison) and the experience is very good for running videos (the limiting thing in my use cases is that Video is just killing some boards and goes jittery or low res). The Odroid XU4 is my alternate platform. Supposedly the Raspberry Pi M4 is more than enough speed, but I don’t own one to say for sure. This guy does speed tests on systems and includes video, so check out any proposed system against his benchmarks:

    His review of the Pi M4:

    So yeah, I likely ought to do a Noobs top level kind of “Start Here” for avoiding Tech Censorship and Spying… It will be a week or three, but I’ll “go there”.

  17. M Simon says:

    Flee Democrat cities? Yes. Of course. But all cities have population densities that are too high. High density is more efficient. Why are they too high? Behavior sinks.

    A Thermodynamic Explanation of Politics

    The City vs Country divide has been a feature of human politics for 5,000 years or more. Too bad we haven’t figured it out yet.

    Two Ecologies

    Cities are classic “behavior sinks” according to Thomas Jefferson.

    “When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe.” – Thomas Jefferson

    In other words – it is not Democrats. It is the nature of cities. As long as there are cities there will be Democrats.

    So many of our problems are like that. They are inherent in the nature of things. It is always the country boy coming to clean the wicked cities. (The Maccabees, Jesus)

  18. E.M.Smith says:


    I’ve seen some of his stuff (mostly focused on Android and phones IIRC) and it’s good. He knows how to “clean up” and make secure a phone.

    Also at some future date, on my dance card, is a posting on privacy phones. Don’t know exactly when, but my old Flip Phone is on last legs. (Battery dies after minutes off life support, power connector orientation fixing sheet metal comes out with power plug, etc.) So pretty soon I’ll need to “go there” on my next real phone.

    The “Burner Phone” is an OK alternative, but fully Android Infested and not safe enough, really. (Since I’ve been un-careful about calling pattern [contact tracing], not blocked trackers and fingerprinters [so WiFi name inventory will finger me to locations and that includes home] and more) But as a learning experience, it has been golden. Also it’s a nice mini-tablet on WiFi that cost me something like $56 as they do a buy-down on it to get you hooked on the pricey air time.

    So Braxman I’d tagged as someone to include in that someday article. He’s done the homework.


    We already have xor for exclusive or (A or B but not both). I use Inc-or for Inclusive Or (A or B or both), but i suppose ior would work too.


    I’d like to avoid discussions of how to “take down” systems.
    2 reasons.

    1) My whole life has been spent looking at being the White Hat that keeps them up. Sometimes that has required seeing how the Black Hats work, but I’m not emotionally ready to embrace the Black Hat side.

    2) Plotting to break things is illegal. It can get you arrested and my site shut down.

    Yes, there will be an insurgency, and yes, it will obstruct and break things. Planning stuff like that happens on dark nets, not here. OK?

    That said, I’m quite happy with discussion of how to do legal “passive resistance” (as opposed to kinetic resistance…) via things like “I will buy NOTHING from China” (that is already my mode) and / or “I’m looking for alternatives to Amazon and Walmart”.

  19. M Simon says:

    Texas is going Blue because of its Democrat cities. Evidently cities without a lot of corruption don’t run well. And with a lot of corruption they don’t run long.

  20. A C Osborn says:

    EM, would you like to remove my post?
    I am OK with it, which is why I didn’t go in to much detail, other than the a la french methods.

  21. E.M.Smith says:

    No line crossed yet. I’m just being pro-active.

    FWIW, as part of my general Preparedness interests, I’m also OK with discussions of hypothetical actions that others might take, and how to prepare for the consequences.

    Such as:

    Were Truckers to stop deliveries, you would rapidly run out of food and fuel. Prudence says to keep a month or three of food on hand and keep the car(s) full.

  22. A C Osborn says:

    OK, I was thinking more about keeping your lights on, lots of candles, backup generator, hurricane lamps etc for those dark cold nights when the Wind Turbines are producing diddly squat.

  23. E.M.Smith says:

    Yeah, I’ve got all of that too. Part of my general “Living in California” kit. What with Earthquakes putting electricity off for a few days (been there, done that, have the T shirt too…) and then various Dimocratic Governors playing with the electrical system, I’ve got a full suite from candles and lanterns (kerosene, gasoline, propane, butane, candle lantern) to just bare candles and a backup generator. PLUS a couple of “plug into the car” inverters in increments from 100 W to 300 W to 2 kW that connects directly to the battery.

    A very long drop cord from the car / inverter into the house will run a bunch of 10 W or less LED / CFL lights for a long time, with only minor times to running the car to recharge the battery. 80 Amp-Hours x 12 VDC is 960 W-hrs. At 100 W that’s 9.6 hours of light for a LOT of lights. So about once every 2 hours, run the car. At about 1000 to 2000 RPM, mine cranks out about 80 amps, so a full battery worth in 1 hour. BUT, as you only used 200/960 W-hrs (call it 200/1000 with losses or 1/5) you only need 1/5 of an hour of run time, or 12 minutes.

    As my car can run about 400 miles (or about 8 hours at 50 MPH), I’ve got about 5 times that, or 40 hours, of periodic charging time in one tank of gas. Spread over several ‘4 hours a night of light’ that’s a good 10 days of lighting, easy. For 10 lights on all at once every night!

    All from a $20 inverter and a long drop cord…


    Oh, and I’ve got more than 2 cars…

    FWIW, I STRONGLY recommend getting one of those plug in the car inverters and a long drop cord. It is the fastest, easiest, lowest cost emergency lighting and power system you can get. I’ve used mine frequently on car trips to charge lap top, phone, flashlight batteries (with their charger) or run a trouble light under the car hood.

  24. M Simon says:

    The True Nolan says:
    18 January 2021 at 5:17 pm

    You do not get the flavor of the perfidy of the Brits. First they got China to outlaw opium. They then proceeded with delivery. Black Market opium is worth more.

    If the trade is ever legalized, it will cease to be profitable from that time. The more difficulties that attend it, the better for you and us.” — Directors of Jardine-Matheson http://www.ctrl.org/boodleboys/boddlesboys2.html


    Note – at a certain stage of human development a very large amount of pain relief is required. Look at American alcohol consumption rates over the years. Or have a look at Nantucket opium use.

  25. “FWIW, I STRONGLY recommend getting one of those plug in the car inverters and a long drop cord. It is the fastest, easiest, lowest cost emergency lighting and power system you can get. I’ve used mine frequently on car trips to charge lap top, phone, flashlight batteries (with their charger) or run a trouble light under the car hood.”

    Interesting, one of the arguments in favour of electric cars is that if parked in your drive you can use the battery for emergency power and then recharge when the power is restored. Indeed some are suggesting it could be a practical; alternative to the grid if the right electrics are put in place at the outset

    I have no idea of how many “useful “devices could be run, nor for how long.

  26. cdquarles says:


    It has been roughly *only* 100 years since this stuff was made illegal for general sale, use, possession and/or manufacture and not quite 90 years for marijuana. What did that do? It made a black market and made it *way* easier to control “We the People”, via guilt, in my opinion. Heck, even the definition of addiction was changed.

  27. M Simon says:

    Biden Inaugural: Two Thousand National Guard Troops in D.C. Sworn in as Special Deputy U.S. Marshals

    Now suppose a squad of 9 backs up each one when making arrests. That multiplies up to 20,000. So at least 2,000 arrests the first day.

    Yeah. I’m dreamin.

  28. M Simon says:

    A comment from the “Sworn in” link. ===>

    This should terrify everyone. 28 USC 566 (e)

    may carry firearms and make arrests without warrant for any offense against the United States committed in his or her presence, or for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if he or she has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing such felony.


    “No warrant” . which keeps the corrupt courts out of it – for now.

  29. E.M.Smith says:

    I think that’s standard peace officer stuff. A cop can arrest you without a warrant for crimes committed in front of him…

  30. another ian says:

    Seems a pretty important read to me, particularly the American Greatness bit

    “The Big Tech Wreck: Twitter appoints themselves the Global Conversation Police”


  31. David A says:

    Well I was not planning on breaking things, and my wife buys and returns so many things we may be doing that negate profit plan by default.

  32. another ian says:

    ” Fickle Finger Of Fat”

    ” ‘Best experts money can buy: Britain’s policing minister says “human error” led to hundreds of thousands of DNA records and other data on criminal suspects being erased from the national police computer ”


  33. Ossqss says:

    Supplemental on the inverter item. I have always kept a deep cycle battery (120 ah) in stock for use with my 750 watt inverter and the occasional trolling motor use.. You can actually brew a cup of coffee with that size unit on a small coffee pot. Additionally, all 3 of my vehicles have inverters in them. Escape and MKT have 150 watt units and the 4Runner has a 400 watt unit. Use case was completed during Irma. Additional batteries available from the tractor, golf cart, jump box, UPS’s, and even Zuma if I was desperate. Of course the Genny’s are always there too. One tidbit on lead acid batteries. I always do a cycle on them with my desulfating charger periodically to extend their lives. It works.

  34. Ossqss says:

    Just downloaded this free tidbit upon seeing it written up on WUWT.


  35. M Simon says:

    What’s This? Pelosi Sends Letter to Defense Secretary Miller Demanding Halt to Attempts to Install Trump-Loyalist Michael Ellis as NSA General Counsel

    The more interesting question – why would anyone take such a job with a tenure of less than a week? Why would Nancy complain?

    Two thousands U.S. National Guardsmen were handed the power of federal Marshals last night, with more deputations expected in the coming days. The news comes as part of the wildly disproportionate response from Congressional authorities and the military to the small riot that took place inside the nation’s Capitol on January 6th.

  36. M Simon says:

    From the NationalPulse link above

    The U.S. Marshals Service is America’s oldest federal law enforcement agency, employing only around 3,829 deputy U.S. marshals and criminal investigators.


    Deputation gives National Guard personnel police powers in the nation’s capitol, and others are expected to follow.

    Other agencies – including the U.S. Capitol Police, U.S. Park Police, and the D.C. Metropolitan Police Department – will soon also be sworn in, according to the National Guard. There has, to date, been no rationale offered.


    A lot of people to arrest?

  37. another ian says:

    More on the Windows 10 saga.

    Was using Firefox/Thunderbird. But have had to use Edge/Mail on the new one while I set up. Using Brave atm but this download doesn’t have the star to bookmark a site you are reading – no answers as yet. Might have to look at “Dissenter” on principle. At least I now know how to import bookmarks.

    Just found another Microsoft back hander. Seems to get my csv contacts list into Mail I have to accept Outlook, import it there and then can get it to Mail. Thunderbird not looking so bad even on principle atm

  38. H.R. says:

    @M Simon re lots of people to arrest at the Inauguration – How many Trump supporters are going to show up for a Biden Inauguration?

    My guess is there won’t be many, if any anywhere near the Inauguration. But, we shall see.

  39. p.g.sharrow says:

    Found on “Telegram” General Hyten.;
    Watch the short video!

  40. Steven Fraser says:

    @EM: ‘may carry firearms and make arrests without warrant for any offense against the United States committed in his or her presence, or for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if he or she has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing such felony.’

    Hmm. I wonder if these persons will be distributed in the dais during the ceremony…

  41. H.R. says:

    Mrs. H.R. is watching Tucker. Tucker is saying that the Guard is in D.C. as a show of raw, naked power by the Dems. Chyron: “Dems send a message; we are in charge now.”

    Meanwhile, the chyron on Tucker’s show now says “Our capital city is under military occupation.”

    I will wait and see what the Guard does over the next few days. As I noted above, the only people in D.C. are the Pollies and bureaucrats. So who is the Guard going to arrest?

    (What? Another false flag operation and a purge of BLM and Antifa by the Guard? I think Antifa/BLM have served their purpose, maybe. Time to get rid of them before they turn on their paymasters? History says that is always how it goes.)

  42. p.g.sharrow says:

    This is linked by L Lin wood, This will blow your mind or at least be intertaining;

  43. YMMV says:

    With 2000 troupers and razor wire, who would go? It’s probably meant to discourage the right from coming, but it would discourage the left too. Nobody came to see Biden on the campaign. Maybe the “I see dead people” guy saw them. Maybe they will come to see Obama. It’s already looking like Obama’s third term.

    @EM: “But if not, well, independent folks have a way of making it despite hardships and opposition.”

    Yes. This is an under-recognized skill. Contrary to what the “oppressed” classes believe, few have “made it” because of their “white privilege”. (Class privilege is another matter.)

  44. Ossqss says:

    @Ian, you can export bookmarks from a previous browser in a file, save them, and import them into the new browser. I actually sync mine periodically via google chome to ensure I have access to import them if needed in the future.

  45. another ian says:


    I’ve got the bookmarks on the new computer. It is the getting of the email list into Mail as thye problem atm.

    Plus getting the new one to work with the Canon MG 8150 printer. There is a Canon printer driver file in the app store which includes the 8150 series. I’m told is on the computer but tells me that there is no printer driver installed. As does “settings”.. I guess I have to work out the new defined meanings.

    Or submit and buy another bloody printer.

  46. Ossqss says:

    @Ian, export your contact list if that is what you are looking for if possible from the old client. That is common. Then import it into the new client.

    On the printer item. I would delete it and rediscover and install it. Let the computer install the driver from the found printer on the same network, don’t install it yourself from a disk or file.

  47. M Simon says:

    [video src="https://video.wixstatic.com/video/bcb736_de196b75bf77416cae530526d7d3fcd0/720p/mp4/file.mp4" /]

  48. M Simon says:

    A two minute election analysis by Trump

    It was crooked all the way. And BTW we are under Chinese attack.

  49. M Simon says:

    One of my more reliable news sources (is this a joke?) says Biden will step down. In another post they say he will have a Satanic Ritual for his inauguration. They don’t mention his proficiency with spells. BTW spells are for Lesser Adepts. The Greater just change their minds.


  50. M Simon says:

    I found the video linked at
    M Simon says:
    19 January 2021 at 5:04 am

    M Simon says:
    19 January 2021 at 5:00 am


  51. another ian says:

    Yeah! Printer and scanner now work. I hadn’t thought left hand and backwards far enough for the start.

  52. David A says:

    M., Simon, or he intends to continue to fight from a different venue.
    ( If the military will not back him, that is what he must do. )

  53. M Simon says:

    Joe Biden Puts His Mask on, Angrily Rips It off, Stumbles Over to Kamala Harris, Breathes All Over Her, Puts It On Again, Yells “SEE Y’ALL!”, Does a 360 Spin And Leaves (VIDEO)

    He shows Kamala something in his mask. She giggles. Who puts notes on the inside of a mask? She got closer than six feet from a mask he was breathing on. I didn’t notice any yelling.

  54. M Simon says:

    David A says:
    19 January 2021 at 5:35 am

    If the military won’t back him it will mean a multi decade struggle. Which will begin with a huge loss for Liberty Lovers.

    My guess? The military is faced with Trump or China. The question has been on the table for at least two years. Definitively for the last year. That leaves corruption. We will not know until we see some motion. If any.

  55. M Simon says:

    The left is always working to eliminate trouble before it starts.


    he wants a citizen army to round up Trump supporters. Because they are domestic terrorists. Don Winslow was “The All American Boy” during WW2. Not any more.

  56. M Simon says:

    It has been a long time since WW2

    Jack Armstrong,is the All-American Boy.
    Don Winslow was US Navy

  57. M Simon says:

    FDA-approved anti-parasitic drug ivermectin can kill the coronavirus within 48 hours, reports new study

    That was a topic of discussion around here at the beginning of the WuFlu Funny that this story comes out after 3 Nov 2020.

  58. YMMV says:

    “anti-parasitic drug ivermectin can kill the coronavirus”

    The authorities’ refusal to look at alternative treatments and preventatives (and downplay them and keep quiet about them) will be shown to have killed millions needlessly. (that and their refusal to use improved testing methods). But wait, there is more …

    Letting the virus spread for over a year in millions of people has given the virus time to mutate and form many variants, some of which might be even worse.

  59. p.g.sharrow says:

    The President is aboard Airforce 1 and “0” hour announced. The plan is under way, Whatever that is?

  60. M Simon says:

    I’m following General Hyten of the Joint Chiefs (Air Force) on Telegram. He claims it is all under control. If his info is correct (and the account is not an imposter) it is beyond under control. It is locked down. Because you never discuss how an evolving plan is evolving.


    BTW Telegram has passed the 500 million mark. (they claim to be growing at 300K an hour – impressive)

  61. M Simon says:

    p.g.sharrow says:
    19 January 2021 at 8:27 am

    See my 11:11 link – the General also claims zero hour has passed

    Where did your info come from?

  62. Pinroot says:


    Did he mis-speak, or did he really mean “Military power”?

  63. jim2 says:

    The General Hyten Telegram stream of messages seems rather incoherent. I suspect it is a fake account. I could only hope it’s real, but my gut says otherwise.

  64. M Simon says:

    jim2 says:
    19 January 2021 at 1:10 pm

    I have done some cursory checks. It seems legit except for the “Q quality” of the feed. It is picking up followers at an accelerating pace.


  65. M Simon says:

    CNN’s Jim Sciutto Forced To Push Back On Idea ‘White’ Soldiers Represent Potential Threat

    Why would he even say something like that unless he is expecting something?

    Everybody is on edge.

  66. E.M.Smith says:

    @M. Simon:

    Frankly, even if NOTHING happens at the Biden swearing ceremony, watching them all go Bat shit Crazy and call in 10s of thousands of military and run around screaming that they don’t trust White Men (GASP!) is hilarious.

    In retrospect, I wish I had done more to Talk UP the notion of a Trump Revolutionary Guard Action. Pushed more buttons. Helped illuminate better the Crazies Of The Left as they went ballistic kookoo…

    Ah, well, opportunity missed…..

  67. E.M.Smith says:

    BTW, Castle Rock, in addition to being a place in Colorado, and a failed Horror TV Show, is a park in California:

    Has a big rock people like to climb. I used to go there just to walk around about 30 years ago. Then they put up “pay to park” posts and I quit going. Why pay $$$ to walk around a 5 acre spot when nearby are hundreds of acres of free access? Never been back since.

    Castle Rock State Park is a 5,242-acre (2,121 ha) state park of California, USA, located along the crest of the Santa Cruz Mountains

    Might be interesting to know which Castle Rock was the inspiration for the all caps message… if any.

  68. E.M.Smith says:


    No idea why your posting went to SPAM, but it did. Perhaps that Bitchute link is being “voted off the island” by Leftist Admins?

    In any case, yes, he DOES say “transition to Military Power”, but it isn’t possible to determine just why. Ideas I have:

    1) Just used to training for martial law and saying “transition to military” via repetition.

    2) Something really is up, and he had a slip…

    3) He sees his troop’s role as standing around doing nothing UNLESS there is a need to transition to “military power” if things go sideways.

    4) Martial Law was declared, so maybe in his mind it IS “Military Power” right now.

    There may be more…

    Personally, my guess would be that it’s either 3 or 4.

  69. M Simon says:

    At about 2 minutes in Simon Parkes suggests following General Hytens. There is a graphic up at Simon’s site saying the GO button has been pushed.

  70. E.M.Smith says:

    I’ve seen nothing on news channels. Even a local DC station.

    IF anything big is happening, it is being kept completely invisible…

  71. The True Nolan says:

    @ YMMV: “Class privilege is another matter”

    I have heard it said that class privilege works like this; EVERYONE gets at least one shot at success. Children of the Privileged class just get multiple shots until one of them succeeds.

  72. E.M.Smith says:


    Seems Telegram wants to run an application of some sort that then displays the message, but didn’t work on Chromium under Armbian…

    So maybe say what was in the message?

  73. Tonyb says:

    Surely Simon Parkes, who I note is English, is merely a conspiracy theorist. What credibility does he have?


  74. A C Osborn says:

    Tonyb says: 19 January 2021 at 7:01 pm
    None, he appears to be a Loony.

  75. Is this the same guy.? He is or was a councillor in Whitby, Yorkshire


    If you viewed the link posted above it gives a bio of him which is very vague and mentions Yorkshire

    I am mystified as to why he has gained credence on conspiracies about Trump. Can someone fill us in?


  76. If you look to the left of Simons shoulder in the video of his site linked above, you will see a tall narrow wooden filing cupboard which is identical to the one in the Daily Mail item So it is the same guy. What on earth is going on?


  77. A C Osborn says:

    It may be that he has been targeted by the dis-info people as they say he has made very outrageous claims about aliens.
    But who knows?

    He talks with the likes of Dr Charlie Ward, Mel K and Ann Vandersteel, they are in to all sorts of conspiracy theories.

  78. p.g.sharrow says:

    OK, Simon Parks, is a bit of a eccentric on his own. But he is also an informant for some people and he can keep track of factual information vers his own opinions and will tell you which is which
    That link I placed is a video of digital war. Problem is immediately after its posting General Hyten announced that his account was hacked so now I don’t know if the hack was later or if the video was the hack. It seems that all the trump teams”Telegraph” accounts have been hacked. Ciber Warfare ;-) is “fun”

  79. p.g.sharrow says:

    As to WHAT is going on? A WAR is going on

  80. YMMV says:

    “Class privilege is another matter”

    On one hand, there is meritocracy, where you get advancement based on what you can do.
    On the other hand, there is a class system, where what you get depends on who your parents are, where you have family or friends to recommend you.
    (there are other hands too. Tribalism, etc)

    If you work yourself up from the bottom, you have to prove you are good in order to go up.
    If you start at the top, you have it made, unless you prove that you are bad and even then …

    With racism, or any prejudice, you get rejected before any other considerations.
    Except the kind of racism where you get approved before any other considerations.

  81. Pinroot says:

    I looked on Telegram, there are seven accounts for General Hyten. One of them says “My Twitter username is stolen and there is a channel with 200K followers on my name. This is my one and only Official Telegram Channel.” @JohnHyten That account has 1.1K followers.

    The link that PG posted is apparently in Polish. Translated it says: “Warning: Many users have reported this account as a scam or bogus account. Be careful especially if he asks you for money haha”

    So, not sure what to make of it at this time, but we’ll know something in less than 24 hours.

    LOL, hope this doesn’t go to spam :)

  82. Steven Fraser says:

    @EM: Re: Ivermectin. I saw a report yesterday claiming that the NHS had revised its policy on Ivermectin, changing it from Negative to Neutral as a treatment for COVID-19. I’ll look around for the link, and post it if I can find it again.

  83. jim2 says:

    McTurtle made a speech in the Senate today and said Trump and other high ranking officials instigated the Capitol riot. Time to vote out McTurtle.

  84. M Simon says:

    E.M.Smith says:
    19 January 2021 at 6:54 pm

    The 1 minute Trump “Calm Before The Storm” video from 2017.

  85. p.g.sharrow says:

    This is very strange, I have tested several connections to “Telegraph” and General Hyten each gives different results. It looks like the hacks have been cleaned up and this link works to the real account:
    lets see if you guys succeed, “General Hyten” is supposed to be the public connection to the “plan”

  86. M Simon says:

    p.g.sharrow says:
    19 January 2021 at 9:42 pm

    That is the same material you can find on the site labeled “scam”. I’m confused.

  87. David A says:

    Steve Fraser, somebody here posted that yesterday, M Simon I think.

  88. cdquarles says:

    If I could have voted Turtle out, I would have already. He, and others, caused one of the dirtiest elections I’ve ever seen here. Yes, the one that Doug Jones squeaked by with a win, only to be severely beaten this time.

    Judges were a good thing he did, but he didn’t do much, if anything, else to help President Trump at all during the last 4 years. Therefore, I was not surprised by that speech.

  89. E.M.Smith says:

    End of business day in D.C. and nothing seems to have happened.

    Trump’s farewell address:


    Looks to me like tomorrow, we get POTU-SINO Biden.

  90. pyromancer76 says:

    For those not wanting to take the vaccine and interested in HCQ-Zinc and Ivermectin from a regular prescription (my brother says I worm my horses with that once a month) there is AmericasFrontlineDoctors.com to check. The advice given to me is to take the HCQ-Zinc on a prophylactic basis and the Ivermectin if you get symptoms. It involved a regular sensible intake.
    Not inexpensive (the zinc was), but doable. I know someone else on-line got meds from an Indian pharmacy.

  91. E.M.Smith says:

    FWIW, there’s this channel on Youtube that has fun science fiction shorts. Some of them make a series. This one is 4 episodes long, but still very short, and fun:

    The channel is called DUST


  92. philjourdan says:

    i prefer NMP – Not my president,

  93. M Simon says:

    Why all the early resignations? That is unusual.

  94. M Simon says:

    Claims prisons in Iceland to supplement GITMO. I don’t see how that is possible. Iceland is Sovereign.

    Claims the USA is a Corporation not a nation. This is also the Sovereign Man argument.

  95. M Simon says:

    This is another oddity. Signals with cryptic meanings.

    From https://thepalmierireport.com/until-2025-senior-trump-adviser-sends-out-cryptic-tweet/

  96. beththeserf says:

    E.M link @11.51pm’ htps://odysee.com/@NextNewsNetwork:8/breaking-president-trump-delivers:3′

    …’ Above all, we have reasserted the sacred ideal that the government answers to the people.’

    ..’Shutting down free and open debate violates our core values and our most enduring traditions.

  97. H.R. says:

    Today, I’ll be fishing on the Sunshine Skyway fishing pier.

    I suppose I’ll be home about 2:00 or 3:00 pm EST. I’ll find out then how peaceful the installation of an illegitimate president was.
    Just some wild-assed speculation on my part; I consider it likely that there will be a major false flag event in D.C.

    The commies need an excuse to go after 80 million Trump voters using law enforcement officers and the military. They also have a not-quite-controlled BLM and Antifa that don’t really need any more and that could pose a threat to the PTB.

    So, once again Antifa and BLM are lured/told to go into D.C., perhaps to beat up Trump supporters who will be in D.C. to protest the Installation. They already received their bus tickets and motel reservations and are now in D.C.. The Trump supporters won’t be there, but BLM and Antifa will be there and will do what they always do; burn, loot, murder, and generally try to destroy things.

    Surprise! The Guard will NOT look the other way and will round up many thousands of BLM/Antifa rioters who will never be seen again in our lifetime. No Left Loonies, or no loonies left to threaten the PTB. It has always been that way.

    The YSM and Uniparty will blame it all on Trump and his supporters and that will provide the excuse to go after them.

    As I said, it’s just wild-assed speculation. I’ll find out when I get back from fishing.

  98. H.R. says:

    Another wild-assed guess; I think the stock market will go up very quickly in anticipation of the players who have paid to play having their crew back in the driver’s seat. Then in a few months, it will plunge like a rock as the looney policies are announced and enacted.

    I’m no seer predicting runaway inflation and the crash of the dollar. Part of the commie long game has been to trash the U.S. economy, and with control of the printing presses and policies, they can print enough dollars for all the “free” stuff they are going to give away that the dollar will soon be worthless.

    I need to figure out where the GEBs are invested. That’s where you want to be.

  99. A C Osborn says:

    Re COVID.
    I can’t remember if I have posted these before, but there appears to be a cure or at least treatment for Long COVID, thta may also be a treatment for COVID as well.
    Like HCQ & Ivermection it is not an anti viral it involves Niacin + Zinc + Vitamin D + Vitamin + Quercitin.

    There is also another treatment for COVID that is very effective, Iodine. So Trump was right again, except you don’t inject it is applied by Nasal drops.

    The UK is still killing people via Negligent homicide, there is no early prophylactic or early treatment at all.
    COVID Positive patients are told to isolate at home, possibly take paracetemol or NSAIDS for temperature control and that is it.
    You stay home and get better or get worse until you need to be hospitalised with severe COVID symptoms.
    It is a national disgrace of the highest proportions.

  100. I have linked below the assessment by a British pollster with a very good track record, as to why Trump lost the election. Its well worth a read


    From across the pond I would say his central conclusion was surely correct, that whilst a lot of people voted for Trump because they wanted him, a huge number voted for Biden not because they wanted that candidate, but because they did not want Trump. The estimate is 25%.

    What lesson that gives for the future I don’t know, except that another disruptor- if the Republicans decide to try to continue ‘draining the swamp’ -should not be so divisive . Whether someone more mainstream and trying to appeal to a wider audience can engender the personal enthusiasm some had for Trump is another matter.

    But overall the poll and the results perhaps suggests a pleasant personality with good policies might win the day over an abrasive personality with good policies.


  101. jim2 says:

    Fox News has fired what appears to be most of the team that prematurely called Arizona for Trump. I wonder what the heck they discovered??

    “Among those let go Tuesday was Chris Stirewalt, the politics editor for Fox News. A 10-year veteran of the company, Stirewalt was also a key member of the Fox News decision desk, which drew the ire of President Trump after becoming the first network to call Arizona for Biden.”


  102. M Simon says:

    climatereason says:
    20 January 2021 at 11:12 am

    If you don’t at least make some estimate of cheating you have nothing.

    Americans are not fond of communism. Trump got 120 million votes (75%) Joe got 40 million (25%).

  103. Msimon

    Are you saying the Democrats-who I hold no brief for- stole 40 million votes?

    The fact that very many people hated Trump could be seen the day of his inauguration when there were widespread riots. The fact that many people wanted him out and voted against him rather than for Biden seems a logical conclusion, it happens all the time in all democracies as does people turning out to vote when they normally don’t bother to do so.

  104. David A says:


    Those riots by ANTIFA and BLM were not popular or supported by most Americans.

    As Simon said, if you do not acknowledge and make a reasonable estimate of the size of the steal, you fall into the camp that thinks the election was very secure and fair.
    Do you?

    It is a very illogical position, as there is massive evidence of voter fraud.

    Would Present Trump have received more votes if he had not personalized his battles with some of the Statists, and focused only on policy? Quite possibly, yet that was true with his first election, that overcame the cheating.

    If you cannot see the obvious cheating, the courts refusing to force audits, the incredible media bias, the CCP influence within the RINOS, and the deep state TLAs, and foreign nation obexworld global statists, and cognise those factors as the cause of the swamp victory, you are poorly informed or failing to use logic.

    President Trump was incredibly popular here, and the walk away movement was real and growing. Monitory support for P Trump was higher then ever. And, except in the Battle ground states where there was obvious cheating, all the numbers reflect greater demographic gains in 2020 then in 2016 for President Trump. President Trump was incredibly popular in many other nations, and this also was never acknowledged by the press. Over 100k in a stadium in India gave him standing ovation after standing ovation. Prime Minister Modi praised President Trump deeply, sincerely, and often. President Trump was soundly defeating China and the one world Government crowd, and inspiring other nations to do likewise.

  105. M Simon says:

    The Army is in DC to counter white supremacists. Although it may only be this Puerto Rican Contingent.

  106. M Simon says:

    climatereason says:
    20 January 2021 at 12:42 pm

    Did the Democrats steal 40 million votes? Maybe. A 25% rate means that they only got their base. The media covers leftist dislike for Trump as if it represented the whole population. You have to weigh Trump’s manner against the evils of communism. Communism lost.

    Trump is in many ways like my favorite doctor. Bedside manner – the absolute minimum. But I’d trust him with heavy surgery. And have.

  107. p.g.sharrow says:

    Click on CASTLE_ROCK link to go to a “Telegram” account there. besure to toggle through the whole thing to see everything

  108. msimon

    “Trump is in many ways like my favorite doctor. Bedside manner – the absolute minimum. But I’d trust him with heavy surgery. And have.”

    That is a very interesting analogy. We have had 10 series of a doctor practising in Cornwall who has a very abrasive personality but who is recognised as an excellent doctor,. Its a series called ‘Doc Martin’. If you get any UK programmes I think you would enjoy it. Great scenery good stories and you would recognise your Doctor and Mr Trump!


  109. David A says:

    Tony, do you really think that an abrasive personality is more responsible for the deep states victory then the obvious cheating, the courts refusing to force audits, the incredible media bias, the CCP influence within the Democrats RINOS, the deep state TLAs, and the foreign nation interference from one world statists?

  110. Power Grab says:

    @ climatereason:

    I *love* that show: Doc Martin.

  111. E.M.Smith says:


    How about NPC – Non President Character ;-)


    Anything NOT a “natural person” (i.e. flesh and blood walking around) is a “corporation” in that it is a corporialized legal entity sans ‘flesh and blood’… It’s pretty meaningless really. Every city is “incorporated” via legal documents.


    Land / real estate / inflation hedges.


    All things that support the immune system. Things folks are often deficient in. I’d add Mg to the mix too. Iodine is an interesting one with a long history. For decades it was used not just to sterilize surgical fields, but also as a direct treatment for infections. Looks like someone else remembers the “old ways”…


    Since we KNOW the vote numbers are bogus, we also know that we DO NOT KNOW the actual votes total, only that it was massively for Trump.

    Given that, we can’t say anything about why folks voted for Biden, as a large, perhaps enormous, quantity of his “votes” were machine generated or otherwise fraudulent.

    The fact that very many people hated Trump could be seen the day of his inauguration when there were widespread riots.

    No. It only shows that Soros funded a large mob, and the DNC was happy to coordinate them. When 70 Million are polite and do not cause trouble, but 1000 are paid to riot, it is NOT a referendum.

    BTW, I LOVE Doc Martin! It is just a great show, all around.

    @David A:

    AND the tech V.P. of Dominion having said he had rigged it so Trump would lose and then the Antrim audit demonstrating 2 major ways that was accomplished. The machine vote was entirely fraudulent and the folks in charge of the software said so.

  112. E.M.Smith says:

    @A.C. Osborn:

    Reading through that article more closely, I realized that my ‘every so often’ use of a “Super B Complex” vitamin pill might be more important that I’d thought…

    I mostly do it as an ‘energy booster’ when worn out, or as a ‘fixer’ for too much wine the night before ;-) but may take it more regularly now.

    Yes, most of it just makes your pee dark yellow, but having an excess assures no cells are wanting…

    I’ll have to think more about the specific B vitamins it lists. Might be worth ‘tuning’ the mix some instead of just an overload of all Bs in the “Super” mix…

    But, OK, add “B Complex” to the list of stuff, at least for now.

    Vit-D, Vit-C, Vit-E, B Complex, Zinc, Selenium, Quercetin (or similar ionophor). Possibly some Mg too as most folks are deficient, and on general grounds, a “Daily” Multi-Vit. Make sure your Iodine status is good too ( I get mine via weekly sushi with seaweed being a large source).

    Did I miss anything?

  113. A C Osborn says:

    Not as far as I know.

    My blood is boiling at the stupid waste of life big pharma is causing.
    I still can’t believe that the Oxford Recovery Trial has not been totally discredited for how it was designed and conducted.

  114. Qssqss says:

    Anybody doing the Beta for this service?

    At least they disclosed a pricing plan and equipment needs in the write up.


  115. YMMV says:

    Putin comments on draining the swamp.

    I have already spoken to three US presidents. They come and go, but politics stay the same at all times. Do you know why?” Putin asked. “Because of the powerful bureaucracy. When a person is elected, they may have some ideas. Then people with briefcases arrive, well dressed, wearing dark suits, just like mine, except for the red tie, since they wear black or dark blue ones. These people start explaining how things are done. And instantly, everything changes. This is what happens with every administration.

    “in an interview given by Russian President Vladimir Putin in 2017, to the French newspaper Le Figaro.”

    Biden may be an exception — he is the swamp.

    Who runs the country? Not the politicians who do not read the 6000 page laws they pass. (and who are not given the opportunity to do so, if they even wanted to TL;DR )
    Not the politicians who do not even attend their own hearings.

    Who runs the country? Maybe the swamp critters who write those laws. TLAs, Bureaucrats, lobbyists, foreign influencers?

    Voters? … on some other planet.

  116. The True Nolan says:

    @ E.M. “Since we KNOW the vote numbers are bogus, we also know that we DO NOT KNOW the actual votes total, only that it was massively for Trump.”

    I think that sums it up nicely. And how do we at least know that “it was massively for Trump”? All the normal on-the-ground-indicators tell us — the huge number of Trump signs, bumper stickers, yard flags, social media followers, number of rally attendance, and number of online watchers of rallies. For several months before the election I kept an informal mental count of Trump indicators vs Biden indicators, not just in my local area but whenever I would travel away from home. (I am discounting conversations with friends or online comments at sites I visit because those are only indicative of my own circles.) Rough estimate? 10 pro-Trump signs for every Biden sign. Rally attendance? Hard to estimate because it was so lopsided and Biden rallies were attended more by anti-Biden people than by fans, but maybe 100 to 1? Ah, but the Biden fans were also the Covid-fear crowd so maybe they only followed him online, huh? No. Online followers of Biden were perhaps a tenth of Trump’s. In short, I did not see ANY signs, zero, that Biden was even close to Trump in popularity — and of course that is what the vote counts showed (even with the certainty of electronic fraud) before the counts were stopped for still vague and unverifiable reasons and the conservative poll watchers were removed. We are in a banana republic now, which is just another way of saying “no republic at all”. I expect things to bumble along mostly normal (or as normal as we have seen in the last year) but free speech is already being lost, and longer term anything is possible. Well, maybe not anything. I can’t see any good coming out of this travesty.

    Oh, and “Doc Martin”? It is a very well done series — and I can’t stand to watch it. As someone who has struggled all my life with the social awkwardness of the somewhat-Asperger mentality, it is too painful to see. I can’t enjoy the plot because I keep thinking, “THAT’S ME! THAT’S ME!!”

  117. YMMV says:

    A C Osborn: “I can’t remember if I have posted these before, but there appears to be a cure or at least treatment for Long COVID”

    I think you did. I had this web page open and I forgot where it came from. Very interesting.
    Do you agree with them?

    Even after we wrote the paper we continued to be fascinated by the cleverness of this virus and dived deep to to find a solution. We wanted to change the mortality risk rather than chase the virus like everyone else. We were not bound by anything, and we had freedom to hunt the solution everywhere.
    That is refreshing.

    We had no allegiance to any company, so total freedom to seek a comprehensive solution- we weren’t trying to push any agendas or sell any big pharma products.
    Calling Dr. Fauci!

    While writing the paper, we had researched pellagra, a nicotinic acid deficiency (niacin, B3), rarely seen today. A deficiency that causes low NAD+ resulting in numerous symptoms in metabolically active tissues. Incidentally the last major pellagra outbreak occurred in the south-east USA. When comparing symptoms of pellagra to long haul Covid-19, the symptoms are virtually interchangeable.

    We know that Covid-19 causes low NAD+ and that this low NAD+ results in Covid-19 Induced Secondary Pellagra (CISP), and that pellagra and long-haul symptoms are the same. These long haul NAD+ symptoms also respond to treatment with nicotinic acid (niacin) with great success.

  118. cdquarles says:

    To me, the proper term is deficiency syndrome. Signs and symptoms will overlap with *many* other conditions, both acute and chronic.

    I suspect very few practicing doctors will think of it. We have been supplementing foods for a century or so now, for a reason (said pellagra outbreak being one of several, including scurvy if I am remembering correctly). Not only are many (most?) foods supplemented, supplements are sold widely. Most being sold at minimum doses for a number of reasons (cumulative poisoning being one). Dose-response curves reflect reality, and infectious dose-response curves do, also. What person A thrives on person B will not, for it may be either too little or too much.

  119. M Simon says:

    climatereason says:
    20 January 2021 at 2:56 pm


  120. M Simon says:

    The True Nolan says:
    20 January 2021 at 5:51 pm

    It is probably me too.

  121. M Simon says:

    E.M.Smith says:
    20 January 2021 at 4:32 pm

    The argument is a little more involved than that and is backed up by EOs rescinding the Corporation.

  122. M Simon says:

    0007 on the 21St

  123. H.R. says:

    Any policies that raise energy costs are inflationary.

    First to go will be ‘Free’ Amazon shipping, unless they wish to keep up the illusion that you’re still getting ‘Free’ shipping. In that case, prices will rise to cover the ‘Free’ shipping.

  124. Terry Jackson says:

    An essay from Angelo Codevilla


    “The United States of America is now a classic oligarchy. The clarity that it has brought to our situation by recognizing this fact is its only virtue.”

    Well worth the read.

  125. philjourdan says:

    @climatereason says:
    20 January 2021 at 12:42 pm

    Tony, you confuse hate with numbers. Yes, there were a lot of protests, but the total attendance did not add up to even a million folks.

    I do not believe the democrats stole 40 million votes. But the science is not to be denied. They stole enough to win. Science does not lie. The odds of the events unfolding naturally have been calculated as 100quadrillion to the 4th power,

    As they say in statistics, nothing is impossible, but when the R2 value is essentially 1, you have a certainty.

  126. philjourdan says:

    @Power Grab and TonyB

    You are kidding me. You mean there are more than my wife and I that have seen that show? She made me pay $5/moth for Acorn just so she could watch it.

  127. philjourdan says:

    @EMS – Ok, NMP or NPC, or CinC (Commander in Cheat)

    Today we became a leaderless country.

  128. Compu Gator says:

    Ahhh, yes: Pellagra.

    When the U.S. Army was doing its planning for sending our Yanks overseas to World War I in Europe, it became appalled at the poor health of the average recruits, who were drawn mostly from rural populations in the then still-rural U.S. of A.  The prevailing diagnosis was widespread vitamin deficiencies. Many residents of the Southeast subsisted on corn bread, because maize was such a reliable crop, but it’s seriously vitamin-deficient when not properly processed. So apparently, “your federal government” decided that the most viable quick remedy was to enrich or fortify important grain products, notably wheat flour, with vitamins not naturally present, presumably in forms that could withstand baking.

    Thus was created a scourge of modern foodies & gourmands: Wonder Bread. The name was not a shortening of many foodie or gourmand descriptions: “WOND(e)Rously deficient in any flavor and any savor“.  No!  It was marketing for containing an industrially produced bread that contained vitamins to prevent (or mitigate) the vitamin deficiencies so common in so many of those recruits were deficient. And if beneficial for soldiers, it would also be beneficial for children, mom & dad, granma & granpa.

  129. E.M.Smith says:

    I always thought Wonder Bread was named for the way you wondered what it was made of…

    Good old “Chorelywood” bread:



    The British Baking Industries Research Association based at Chorleywood, Hertfordshire, developed the Chorleywood bread process (CBP) in 1961. It is a process of making dough in bread production. As of 2009, 80% of bread made in the United Kingdom used the process. Compared to the older bulk fermentation process, the CBP is able to use lower-protein wheat, and produces bread in a shorter time.

    Bread had for millennia been made from wheat flour by manually kneading a dough with a raising agent, typically yeast, leaving it to ferment, then baking. In 1862 a radically new and much cheaper industrial-scale process was developed by John Dauglish, using water with dissolved carbon dioxide instead of yeast, with no need for an eight-hour fermentation. Dauglish’s method, used by the Aerated Bread Company that he set up, dominated commercial bread baking for a century until the Chorleywood process was developed.

    Some protein is lost during traditional bulk fermentation of bread; this does not occur to the same degree in mechanically developed doughs, allowing CBP to use lower-protein wheat.
    This feature had an important impact in the United Kingdom where, at the time, few domestic wheat varieties were of sufficient quality to make high-quality bread; the CBP permitted a much greater proportion of lower-protein domestic wheat to be used in the grist.

    Thus the low food value “foam bread”…

    And why I like making a significant part of my bread consumption myself. It just tastes better (or has taste at all!) and is much more nutritious. Oh, and you can spread butter on it without it turning into a tasteless tortilla with crust…

  130. M Simon says:

    Compu Gator says:
    21 January 2021 at 2:00 am

    We sold a LOT of Wonder Bread at Simon’s Grocery in Omaha. The Simons had more Jewish tastes and so bought our bread from Forbes Bakery. Wonder Bread was for dire emergencies.

  131. Qssqss says:

    I always Wondered why that bread never seemed to get mold on it. I loved it as I didn’t have to worry about making a mold sandwich by mistake and it was enriched and probably compensating for my poor eating habits in some way. I was caught on many occasion squeezing a slice to stick pretzel form and tossing it into a lunch bucket. You know how much less space a squashed slice of that bread was taking up in the beer cooler! :-)

  132. YMMV says:

    “on many occasion squeezing a slice to stick pretzel form”

    I never did that with any other bread. There must be a chemistry lesson in there somewhere.
    Can you still do that?

  133. E.M.Smith says:


    Yes, it still works. (Spouse occasionally likes foam bread… go figure…)

    It’s the higher water content and lower protein. Makes the total closer to “library paste” that’s just starch and water… Think of it as “protein stabilized foamed library paste” and you are not that far off…

  134. YMMV says:

    @, M Simon, “The Gates of Hell have been opened”

    I liked the bit about the revolution of 427 BC.

    The spiral down, also known as the flush. It’s over. History repeats because humans are so predictable. Same stimulus, same response. Again and again.

    A professor compares now to the start of the 15 year Lebanese civil war. For the democrats,
    “It is not enough to win. You have to destroy the enemy. They should not exist”
    “Identity politics is by definition an opposite of unity, because it ghettoizes us into tribes – political, sexual orientation or skin color ones. It is an opposite of a unifying message”

  135. E.M.Smith says:

    I was interested in saving the text from the “Gates Of Hell” and this link:

    But found they had “copy paste” blocked, as well as wget scraping (that just gets the html for the page display programming).

    But, silly people, don’t they know that “IF it can be seen, it can be copied”?

    What to do?

    Well, in fact, the simplest thing of all:

    Print to PDF.

    I now have nice, fully formatted, PDF files of each page, not just the text saved in a linux .txt file. Not only that, but I can copy bits out of the PDF file should I wish.

    But frankly, the PDF is nicer to read and save than a plain old text file anyway.

    Just to prove the point, here’s some text that I’ve copy / pasted from my PDF:

    Right now, the leadership class of the United States stands on the precipice, slipping toward the creation of an ever-more authoritarian society run, not by goosestepping storm troopers, but by kids in hoodies and T-shirts, sitting in front of computer screens. If not stopped, one day soon that oppression will be answered with violence. Ignorant of history, do they have any idea what they are about to unleash?

    Just an FYI in case anyone else runs into this kind of silly copy protect crap trying to prevent Fair Use (or even just archival protection of what is at risk from Tech Authoritarian Censorship…)

  136. another ian says:


    I have a Canon MG8150 printer which worked fine with what Canon and MS cooked up until the last attempt at fixing W 10 on my old computer.

    So far no direct Canon drivers that I can find via what is hooked to the new computer. I eventually punted, uninstalled the printer and reinstalled. Lead me to MS print and scan which seems to work – BUT

    I just had to update a file that was scanned to pdf with the old software – about 15k.

    With changes to 2 words and saved as pdf it is now 15m!!

    And there seems to be no control panel with which to fiddle.

    Talk about bloatware!

  137. another ian says:

    OK – sort of.

    I went further left hand and backwards and found what passes as a control panel. Set to 150 dpi and b&w. File is now 84k for what was 15k – likely at 300 and pick by it self colour mode.

    And we’re supposed to think that this is progress?.

  138. jim2 says:

    On the demise of Fox News …


    On the purge of Patriots who support the Constitution and Bill of Rights …


  139. M Simon says:

    This stuff about 1871 is going around.

    Seattle and Portland are again on fire. BLM/antifafa don’t like Joe.

  140. M Simon says:

    You can honor his decrees or get shot by those who enforce them.

    That is how you tell who rules. So far as anyone can tell it looks like Joe rules.

    Political power comes from the barrel of a gun.

  141. p.g.sharrow says:

    Message from”Castle Rock”——————————— ?Donald J Trump? posted yesterday evening
    “My fellow Americans, over the course of the next several days you will undoubtedly realize that we are taking back our great country (the land of the free) from the evil tyrants that wish to do us harm and destroy the last remaining refuge of shining light. “

  142. E.M.Smith says:

    WordPress is having some kind of “counting” issue. For example, the last comment just above this one is from P.G., yet my discussion sidebar lists:

    rogercaiazza on Carping Comments: Pearl Sand o…
    M Simon on W.O.O.D. – 3 Days To Sha…

    A comment from Simon as the last on this thread.
    I’ve also had wrong counts in SPAM and MODERATION queues.

    Just FYI and I’m not sure what it means yet.


    Just after posting this comment, the P.G. comment showed up in the discussion list. I’m now wondering if it “batches up” the updates to that list as a way to conserve processing? I’d seen P.G.’s comment in the Approved Comment panel in the moderators / owners window, and it had been up for “a while”. Maybe it only updates after a new comment arrives on the same thread? An “off by one” error? Who knows.

    FWIW, in the moderation queue, and spam queue, I’ve had it say “2” when there were 3, or in one case “-2” when it thought there were 2 but I deleted 4 SPAMs. This is from their “newer” block posting format page. The older B&W theme line oriented one was not so afflicted. FWIW, I suspect some side effect of OO programming where the programmer doesn’t really get to see what the “object” they are using / modifying is actually doing at the detail level. Hopefully they will fix it before “someday” arrives…


    Well, not just holding for a batch nor off by one. This comment showed immediately in the list. So some kind of pernicious sporadic count error…

  143. M Simon says:

    p.g.sharrow says:
    21 January 2021 at 2:55 pm

    I just looked that up. It is a “Q” quote.

  144. E.M.Smith says:

    OMG, this is a hoot and a half. The opening is a bit tacky, but then… oh man:


  145. M Simon says:

    We don’t want Biden. We want revenge.

    YMMV says:
    21 January 2021 at 6:45 am

    @, M Simon, “The Gates of Hell have been opened”

    I liked the bit about the revolution of 427 BC.

    The spiral down, also known as the flush. It’s over.

  146. David A says:

    Thanks EM, I will be looking for any humor applied to our collective insanity over the next ? Years.

    And I will also read more science stories, and ponder the physics of CAGW to avoid the political aspects.
    This link on electromagnetic propagation in water was a nice diversion.

  147. E.M.Smith says:

    I can tell I’m going to be visiting this site often. “Translate The News With Señorita Fuego”, so you get news, and comedy, in two languages (with subtitles…). Oh, and sexual innuendo… did I forget to mention the sexual twist? My bad ;-) Miss Fire,or perhaps hot girl?…


  148. The True Nolan says:

    @ M Simon: “Political power comes from the barrel of a gun.”

    I remember first running across that quote from Mao back as a teenager. I decided to read The Little Red Book (not as a fan but as a “know your enemy” process) and that quote struck me as the most cynical thing I could imagine. As much as I hate to give Mao any credit for anything, I must admit that he was correct. Some thinkers use that as pretty much the definition of what government is: “government is that institution which claims to have sole authority to use aggressive violence”. Even the founding fathers of the US understood that. “Government is not reason, it is not eloquence,—it is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant, and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action.”

    Unfortunately, I would never pretend that the current “wielders of the gun” have such eloquence. They call for peace while working to punish any who dissent. They are like the Martians in “Mars Attacks!” who run around shooting anyone available while yelling “Ack ack! We are your friends! Do not run! We will not hurt you! Ack ack!”

  149. A C Osborn says:

    p.g.sharrow says: 21 January 2021 at 2:55 pm

    Any other information regarding that supposed Trump message?
    What is Castle Rock?

  150. Power Grab says:

    @ philjourdan re:
    “You are kidding me. You mean there are more than my wife and I that have seen that show? She made me pay $5/moth for Acorn just so she could watch it.”

    It is carried by our PBS stations. There must be a lot of fans because they only carry shows that donors like. ;-)

  151. A C Osborn says:

    It looks like it is more of the wild conspiracy theories, like the end of the world doom & gloom, they are moving the date back when it doesn’t happen when the y say it would.

  152. cdquarles says:

    This article nailed it (and explains why “single payer” will not make medical care better, either, due to political considerations): https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/01/how_health_care_works_in_america_and_why_its_so_bad.html.

    My own HMO pays my primary care physician good money on the dollar, so she does *not* have an incentive to push the top line up much. They don’t pay the hospital good money on the dollar, so they *must* bill $150,000 to get $15,000. The same happens with pharmaceuticals, too.

  153. another ian says:

    “A Chain Of Effects”

    Willis E on atmospheric water


  154. another ian says:


    Twice yesterday Brave told me that your site was not responding. It came up eventually both times

  155. E.M.Smith says:

    Omeletto has some interesting videos too:

    more at:


  156. M Simon says:

    The True Nolan says:
    21 January 2021 at 6:11 pm

    ‘Government is not reason, it is not eloquence — it is force’ is probably not a real George Washington quote – the earliest citation is 1902. Which means it probably predates Mao. What ever the provenance I agree with the sentiment.

  157. M Simon says:

    another ian says:
    21 January 2021 at 9:06 pm

    About 6 or 12 months back I asked in the WUWT comments for one of their heavies to do a good look at water vapor (WV) relative to GHG theory. It is a GHG almost equivalent to CO2. And at the surface there can be on average 50 times as much WV as CO2. Looks like Willis took it up.

    Thanks for the link.

  158. The True Nolan says:

    @ M Simon: “What ever the provenance I agree with the sentiment.”

    It actually sounds like something he might have said.
    1902? Wow… I didn’t know he lived that long! (Just kidding!)

    Just a bit of speculation here; I am perfectly ready to accept that someone in 1902 made up the quote and attributed it to Washington, but it brings up a question in my mind. I wonder how many historical sources may have been available to a person in 1902 which have disappeared by now. Perhaps personal correspondence, perhaps some book which no longer has any copies in existence, perhaps a personal remembrance of “my great grandfather once met Washington, and he told me…” Of course these days the catch phrase is “the Internet never forgets!”, but I certainly don’t believe it. Whether it is more difficult to purge printed books or digital information remains to be seen.

  159. M Simon says:

    Proud Boys ditch Trump for weakness

    This article makes the same point
    Four years later, he left office with those documents still under seal. He criticized officials over whom he had absolute power, notably CIA’s Gina Haspel who likely committed a crime spying on his candidacy, but left them in office. Days after his own inauguration, he suffered the CIA’s removal of clearances from one of his appointees because he was a critic of the Agency. Any president worthy of his office would have fired the entire chain of officials who had made that decision. Instead, he appointed to these agencies people loyal to them and hostile to himself.

  160. M Simon says:

    The Q explanation for current events.


  161. Sera says:

    Señorita Fuego has my vote!

  162. p.g.sharrow says:

    @ACOsborn, castle is a chess term for moving your King into better protection. My guess is Castle Rock is President Trump…pg

  163. A C Osborn says:

    P G, I am a League standard Chess player and in the past a Chess teacher, so yes I know the term well

  164. E.M.Smith says:

    Per Q explanation and chess moves:

    I’ll believe it when I see some physical manifestation that is clear. Until then, it is all just Click Bait. “Facts not in evidence”.

    Unless there are some perp walks and public trials, it is nothing but rumors.

    Then, too, there is no evidence the military is actually doing anything but sitting around waiting for orders (and the present orders look like “Keep a potential 70 million pissed off voters out of D.C.”)

    Per Biden taking a private jet:

    Could just be personal preference. No worries about left over Trump bugs or ‘whatever’ and they could have his needed (hidden) meds aboard… No worries that a Trump Supporter pilot might divert to Andrews before the swearing in… etc.

    IMHO, the simple fact is that CONGRESS endorsed the election, accepted the fraudulent ballot count, and installed Biden. That’s all the Constitution requires. For Congress to choose, and they chose. Hard for the Military to overturn that based on them ‘knowing better’…

  165. jim2 says:

    Yes. This entire “Q” thing is getting us nowhere and in some cases is an outright embarrassment.

  166. Steven Fraser says:

    @EM: Re: Covid Crap

    Apparently the Study about Hydroxychloroquine published by the Lancet has been retracted by the authors. Turns out, the company that was supposed to supply the supporting data did not do so.

    See the article at https://nationalfile.com/as-biden-became-president-medical-journal-quietly-retracted-study-that-claimed-hydroxychloroquine-is-ineffective/

  167. M Simon says:

    Castle Rock explanation? It is a movie set Oval Office.

  168. M Simon says:

    jim2 says:
    22 January 2021 at 3:43 pm

    Disinformation is useful if you recognize it as such.

    Is Joe Biden in DC or California? Are we watching a movie?


  169. E.M.Smith says:

    @M. Simon:

    One would need a view known to be correct out the actual Oval Office for comparison to have a comparison base. IIRC it overlooks a lawn of the White House, so having folks walk by or a military truck (given the paranoia and Guard in D.C.) would be very possible. As it stands, I see no “there there”.

    It is just as possible that the use of “Castle Rock” was an inside joke by the folks fabricating the story, that they were making a fantasy like a movie to confuse the Trump Supporters.

    I note in passing that the Executive Orders signed by Biden are being pushed as helping to fix non-crisis fantasies. The “Pandemic Crisis” (really just needs OTC immune boosters for 99% of the population) and “Global Warming” (which is entirely a farce for moving $Hundreds-of-Billions of US money to the UN for graft).

    But Iran will be happy as the “Iran Deal” is coming back so they get their nukes after all…

  170. M Simon says:

    Joe Biden – 0 (zero) executive orders according to a respected authority.

    He has been in office for over a day and already he has done nothing. Pretty good so far.

  171. E.M.Smith says:

    @M. Simon:

    You expect Federal Bureaucrats running a web page to be able to do anything in a day?

    I don’t.

    Heck, Biden may need to appoint someone to tell them what to do before they can do anything…

  172. M Simon says:

    This is supposed to be a White House dot gov production. It looks very amateurish. What is the point of that? BTW he was signing EOs. None of which have been listed in the Federal Register. So far.

  173. M Simon says:


    Well. Yeah. But you would think they would be in a hurry to erase Trump’s legacy.

    EOs don’t go into effect until they are published. So far Joe has had no effect. I like that.

  174. M Simon says:

    In addition. They managed to already revise the page to include Joe with a link to his current 2021 file. So they can move if they want to. – OK it tool them 2 days from signing to publish this Trump one.

    EO 13848:
    Imposing Certain Sanctions in the Event of Foreign Interference in a United States Election

    Signed: 09/12/2018
    Published: 09/14/2018

    So far I have seen as short as one day and as long as six for Trump. You would think they would be in a rush (at least in the beginning) to erase Trump. If a week goes by with nothing I’m going to start getting suspicious.

  175. E.M.Smith says:

    Oh, and don’t forget, Friday is usually Government Worker Weekend Planning Day (if they are not already on a 4 day ‘work’-week, when that’s Thursday…)

    I worked, briefly, in a State Government Office (when in college) and did contracts in a different one as a computer consultant, so I have some observation time on board…

  176. M Simon says:

    Pelosi Will Deliver Article of Impeachment Against Trump to the Senate on Monday
    The Senate has to consider the article right away, which triggers the trial. This will delay confirming Biden’s appointments.

    You would think that with Trump out of office they would focus on replacing Trump’s Appointments. As far as I can tell they are not behaving like normal politicians whose focus is power.

  177. M Simon says:

    I don’t see how a car could park as close to the Oval Office as you see in the Biden Images. On second thought there appears to be a spot next to the left window (as seen from inside).

  178. M Simon says:

    Donald Trump Jr. on Telegraph.

  179. M Simon says:

    Roads still closed in DC. Heavy police presence.

  180. M Simon says:

    Don Jr. doing about 30 seconds of “the Best is yet to come”


    I feel a tremor in the Force

  181. E.M.Smith says:

    Well… Isn’t this special…

    In addition to Hank Aaron getting the vaccine to encourage others to do the same, then dying…

    23 die in Norway after receiving Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine: officials
    By Amanda Woods January 15, 2021

    Twenty-three people died in Norway within days of receiving their first dose of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, with 13 of those deaths — all nursing home patients — apparently related to the side effects of the shots, health officials said.

    Common reactions to the vaccine, including fever and nausea, “may have contributed to a fatal outcome in some frail patients,” Sigurd Hortemo, chief physician at the Norwegian Medicines Agency, said in a Friday statement.

    All 13 were nursing home patients and at least 80 years old. While officials aren’t expressing serious concern, they are adjusting their guidance on who should receive the vaccine.

    The news comes just over a week after officials reported the deaths of just two nursing home residents after they received the Pfizer jab.

    More than 30,000 people in Norway have received the first shot of the Pfizer or Moderna coronavirus vaccine in the Scandinavian country since late last month, according to official figures.

    “We are not alarmed by this,” Steinar Madsen, medical director with the agency, told Norwegian broadcaster NRK.

    So at least 23 out of about 30,000. So that’s about what, a 0.07% to 0.08% death rate?

    350,000,000 in the USA, so if everyone gets vaccinated, that’s about 262,000 will be killed by the vaccine. But “We are not alarmed by this”… Yeah, I’m sure you are not…

    Do we need to start a Vaccination Deaths Watch?

  182. M Simon says:

    Joe Biden issued 9 executive orders between 2021 and 2021.

    2021 EO 13985 – EO 13993 9

  183. Jim Masterson says:

    . . . Hank Aaron getting the vaccine to encourage others to do the same, then dying . . . .

    I heard that Hank Aaron passed, but I didn’t know it was after he got the vaccine. While on active duty, we were ordered to get the swine flu vaccination–on penalty of court martial if we got sick. Then after some Navy individuals died, they rescinded the order. Too late, I already got mine.


  184. E.M.Smith says:

    All you really need to know about Usurper Biden and who’s calling the shots:


    Chinese State Media Pushing Glowing Endorsements Of Joe BidenOAN Newsroom

    UPDATED 8:03 AM PT – Saturday, January 23, 2021
    Chinese state media are showing what many have long suspected, that Joe Biden was Beijing’s preferred candidate in the presidential election. One America’s Hans Hubbard reports.

    Any POTU-SINO who’s China’s Favorite is “Not my president”… ’cause he’s theirs.

  185. E.M.Smith says:


    Baseball Legend and Hall of Famer Hank Aaron Dead at 86, Two Weeks After Receiving COVID-19 Vaccine; Health Officials Reiterate Vaccine’s Safety
    Posted byBy Niara Savage | January 23, 2021 Comments

    In a statement, the Atlanta Braves said Aaron died peacefully in his sleep on Jan. 22. No cause of death was given.

    Nothing to see here folks.. move along, move along…

  186. Jim Masterson says:

    Nothing to see here folks.. move along, move along…

    Yeah, right!


  187. cdquarles says:

    Maybe there is something here and maybe not. Post hoc ergo propter hoc is a logical fallacy for a reason.

    Back when I was a young man and sung in the choir, we had an elderly organist. She went to sleep one night and didn’t wake up. Why was never said and I don’t think anyone ever knew why. What I do know is that when it is your time, you will die. Our bodies live one hour at a time, for that is the time needed for irreversible cessation of metabolism to happen.

  188. E.M.Smith says:


    So true. But note the conclusion of the Norway experience:

    ~”It’s a bad idea to give the vaccine to the Over 80s with comorbidities.”

    We don’t know what comorbidities Hank had, but I doubt it was zero…

  189. E.M.Smith says:

    Hey, H.R.:

    Per your preferred Tonic Water regimen:



    Drinking tonic water could possibly “be more effective at ‘flattening the curve’ than any measures taken thus far.”
    – Clyde Mason

    Research paper – On the Efficacy of Tonic Water in Fighting Covid-19
    Clyde Mason

    Ok, here’s the paper I’d written up as research when Covid 19 first came to prominence.

    I first searched how coronaviruses infect cells, and learned that in order for the virus to infect a cell, the cell must first ‘invite it in’ by supplying a pH gradient in the form of a sialic acid moiety (which all our cells do because ACE2 is the enzyme which up-regulates blood pressure).

    I then searched for the enzymatic pathways by which coronaviruses infect cells and learned it was via the ACE2 enzymatic pathway (the TMPRSS2 pathway was discovered later in another Covid 19 virus variant).

    I then searched for everyday products which would act as enzymatic inhibitors, leading me to quinine.

    After it was discovered that some variants of the Covid 19 virus can also use the TMPRSS2 enzymatic pathway, I researched everyday products which inhibit that, but didn’t find much, so I searched for prescription medication which does so, leading me to camostat mesylate.
    Hydroxychloroquine / Chloroquine / quinine can also act on the immune system through cell signalling and regulation of pro-inflammatory cytokines.

    It also acts to increase zinc uptake, which has anti-viral effects. Quinine used to be sold, prior to the FDA banning it for this use, as a treatment for leg cramps. The mechanism of action is increased uptake of zinc, calcium and magnesium by reducing hepatic metabolism . Now it is recommended to directly ingest zinc, calcium and magnesium for leg cramps rather than taking quinine.

    And a whole lot more…

    FWIW, I originally stocked up about a dozen L of “Tonic Water” at the start of my personal (pre-mandates, pre-treatments, pre-actual statistics) lock down. It was my first “go to” preventative.

    Now that I’ve got a jug of Ivermectin, it is more of a secondary choice.


    As I’m not interested in blowing through my Ivermectin as a weekly prevent treatment, I’m once again pondering a move back to “Gin and Tonic” on a more regular basis…

    The very interesting bit of the “Paper” that I left out above, is that the author asserts quinine, HCQ, and chloroquine all metabolize to the same active substance.

    Hydroxychloroquine is a prodrug form of chloroquine. It is metabolized in the body into chloroquine. The additional metabolic steps necessary to break down the molecule slows down the bioactivation of the resultant chloroquine into quinine (and hence the rate of absorption of the quinine), reducing toxicity caused by rapid absorption, but hydroxychloroquine is also ~1.6 to 8.8 times less active in the body against Plasmodium Falciparum.

    So while I’d been worried that the quinine in tonic water was a bit less of an effective agent, in fact, the issue is you absorb it too fast so some care is needed (why today’s tonic water is less strong than yesteryear when it was a drug directly and now you need a whole L a day… which is a lot to pee out…). It is, in fact, just as effective as it IS the active form. OK, note to self: Minimum 2 dose intervals per day, preferably 4. Figure a 250 ml cup of Tonic with a shot of gin in it. (Or two ;-)



    Gin is flavored with botanicals. Many botanicals have medicinal properties. So one must ask: WHICH Gin is the best gin “For Medicinal Purposes” against viruses?

    (And don’t say “The one you have” ;-)

    I think this will require some expert opinion and research by inveterate Gin Drinkers to educate the rest of us slovenly Scotch and Wine drinkers… Just which Gin has the most botanicals and has those most likely to have, or reputed to have, some medicinal value? Sloe Berries? Cassia? Juniper? Nutmeg? Saffron?

    Let The Research Begin!

  190. E.M.Smith says:

    Gee, first one on the list, and only one mandated to be in all Gin: Juniper


    Lastly, juniper extract contains a potent antiviral compound (deoxypodophyllotoxin) that can inhibit viruses responsible for flu and herpes. According to world famous herbalist, Dr. James A. Duke, when he feels a cold coming on “he turns to juniper.”

    Not too bad for a herb most people associate with liquor.


    So, OK, it isn’t just the Tonic Water. Got it.

    Now, my main point still stands: All you Gin drinkers out there, you know who you are. Just which Gin has the most “stuff” in it, the strongest Juniper, the most flavors? Don’t be shy… you can say “My neighbor drinks Gin and I asked Him” if it bothers you, but we need this. It’s literally a matter of life or death! (Well, maybe not quite literally… but close… I can see it from here… )

    I need to make a Gin & Tonic run tomorrow so need to know just what to do. I’m pretty sure buying $9 / L Bob’s Gin Emporium Special is not going to be the right answer, so what is?

  191. E.M.Smith says:

    Number 2 on the list is another positive hit:

    Coriander Seeds
    Next to juniper, coriander is the most common botanical in gin. Coriander seeds, better known as the seeds of the cilantro plant can represent a significant proportion of the botanicals other than the juniper in most gin.

    [See all gins with coriander among their botanicals]

    Has Beefeaters and Tanqueray No. 10 at the top, I’ve heard of them and even had them I think. Didn’t know Tanqueray came in numbers though… Then a whole lot I’ve never heard of before…


    8. Boosts Immune Health
    Essential oils like coriander oil contain anti-fungal, antiviral, antimicrobial, and antibacterial properties, so they can help to ward off all kinds of ailments, from athlete’s foot to the common cold and flu.

    Studies show that coriander oil is an effective anti-fungal and that it can treat all kinds of fungal infections, such as athlete’s foot or candida. (8)

    Due to its antibacterial properties, it also fights all kinds of pathogenic bacteria and prevents food-borne diseases. (9)

    So, OK, from here on out it is going to get more murky and I’m thinking I’m getting tired for the night. Perhaps someone in Australia who’s a Gin Aficionado could pick up from here?

    I’m thinking Tanqueray or Beefeaters would be an OK place to start. Better than “Bob’s Best Bathtub” anyway… If not, holler… I’m likely going on the store run in about 18 hours….

  192. H.R. says:

    @E.M. re Tonic and Gin (Yeah, everyone thinks of ‘Gin & Tonic’ but for antiviral purposes, it’s ‘Tonic & Gin’)

    When the Hydroxychloroquine info was starting to get kicked around here just shy of a year ago, Willis E. happened to mention his experiences with quinine and chloroquine. I’m not sure if hydroxychloroquine was being used when he was living in the tropics. Maybe he’s used all three as he has written that he has returned to the Solomon Islands to visit old friends in recent years.

    Anyhow, the take home for me, at least as I understood it, was that some malaria strains started showing resistance to so chloroquine was developed and it was a little easier on the body as well. Then some other malaria strains developed resistance to chloroquine so hydroxychloroquine was developed and it seems it is even easier on the body.

    So I took it that the basic mechanism that allowed zinc into cells was present in all three forms and for Kung Flu, it was that basic mechanism PLUS the zinc(!) that kept the virus at bay, never letting it get a foothold.

    Then, the question became dosage. I found that tonic water had 83mg of quinine per liter because any more than that would push it into the FDA’s clutches.

    The question then became dosage. As I recall it, E.M., you found a table or guideline or something that gave some dosages. From that, I settled on about 600 to 800 mg in two to three days, and then about 250 mg per week to maintain the zinc ionophore action.

    I could be all wrong. That was a while ago, my head was more into it, I made that decision and never revisited it. Now is a good time to revisit dosages to make sure quinine intake isn’t too high or too low.
    As for gin… I’m a beer guy, but when eating out, I prefer to order a gin martini, up, with one olive (I burp olives all night long if I let them put the usual 3 olives in a martini). And a second martini never seems to hurt things. If it’s happy hour, I’ll have the house gin. Otherwise, it’s Bombay Sapphire Gin for me. Beefeaters is just too sharp, not dry, sharp. I’d rather have an isopropyl alcohol martini instead ;o) I’ve discovered a quite acceptable alternative to Bombay; New Amsterdam Gin. At the nicer restaurants, it’s the house gin. Lucky me!

    The only liquor we keep in the house is some peach schnapps so Mrs. H.R. can make her semi-annual Fuzzy Navel, some French vodka (blue bottle, can’t think of the name as it’s been two years since I bought a bottle) that I use to turn her Fuzzy Navel into a Hairy Navel (pssst, don’t tell her), and an unopened bottle of apricot brandy we bought to give to Mrs. H.R.’s mom but never got around to actually remembering to take it over to her place. It’s aged a good 4 to 5 years at our house. I like a good single malt scotch, but I don’t keep it around ’cause I can’t keep it around for long, if ya know whadduh mean ;o)

    I’m just no help at all on liquor.

    But… I think Bombay Sapphire is up there on the list of good juniper content and I believe that the New Amsterdam gin is up there, too. They don’t seem to have any hoity-toity trendy additives.

    I’m going to see if I can find out how those two gins rate for juniper, but I’d imagine the exact botanical content in a brand of gin would be a closely guarded secret. I’d say the only hope of finding out is some third party doing a spectral analysis on a bunch of different gins just because they got a grant to do it… oh, and had a bunch of monkeys in the lab that were demanding cocktails before they’d participate in any more experiments ;o)

  193. H.R. says:

    Good grief! I had no idea how many gins were out there.

  194. Compu Gator says:

    I’ve heard & read current news reports that MLB superstar Hank Aaron is dead, just 16 days after being administered the Moderna vaccine.

    Ummm, I’m more than 1½ decades younger than Aaron. But I’ve already committed to the Moderna vaccine, having received my 1st dose (of 2 total) of the , and I’m not even ½-way toward my appointment for receiving my 2nd dose. One of my specialists had ordered it for me on his own initiative [⚕]. I had not requested it, and I declined a surprise offer for same-day administration, because I wanted to apply my engineer mindset to what would otherwise be a layman’s cursory review of available info on that version.

    So upon further review, I decided that the Moderna version of “the vaccine”,  as offered, seemed to be my best option at this time (including the null option):
    • Preliminary results for that vaccine are reported as 95% effectiveness in preventing transmission or development of CoVId-19.
    • It’s sufficiently free from problematic requirements for storage & handling [❆] [💉] (unlike the available Pfizer vaccine, for which I fear that it might be easy for storage & handling lapses to spoil that vaccine [❆❆]) [×].
    • It’s administered via subcutaneous injection. As offered, that unpleasantness would be performed for me by a member of the nursing staff of a major regional hospital, on its quite-familiar campus.
    • I’m not keen at all on the option of receiving injections in the less-clinically-maintained environments of temporary sites, e.g., an apartment-complex social room, or a county convention center, or the pharmacies attached to larger locations of a well-known grocery chain (such locations are already being used in Central Florida). So there’s the consequent issue of exactly who, with what medical experience, would be administering the injections at those temporary sites?
    • I not only had been assigned priority for it being administered, but the doses of the apparently preferable vaccine were available to me now!  There’d be no way to be sure that the vaccine offered under the same priorities in the future would not be a vaccine that I’d already decided was less preferable.
    • The numerous smug aß’oles in my apartment complex and elsewhere who stubbornly refuse to wear masks, including my next-door neighbors, have allowed me to excuse myself for staying inside and not getting vitamin-D and exercise. It seems that most U.S. readers have endured 10 months of various degrees of isolation already. A viable vaccine could be a remedy, at least for me, for that situation and my admittedly negative mindset.

    So I should either choose the null option or grab the apportunity on offer now!. I chose the latter.

    Note ⚕ : “One of my specialists”.  Can you say “comorbidities”?  I got ’em!

    Note ❆ : I’ve read that the Moderna vaccine can be stored under ordinary refrigeration for a month.

    Note ❆❆ : In dramatic contrast, the Pfizer vaccine needs storage ca. dry-ice temperatures (i.e., −109.2°F | −78.5°C). Now imagine a miscellaneous delivery driver depositing boxes of this vaccine by a temporary vaccine-location’s “delivery” door on a sidewalk in Florida sun, then rushing to his next delivery.

    Note 💉 : I’ve been told by medical staff at my usual medical hang-out that each bottle of the Moderna vaccine, as shipped, contains 10 doses, and as soon as its seal has been breached to draw its 1st dose, medical staff has only 6 hours to administer those 10 doses, and at that time, howevermuch vaccine remains in the bottle must be discarded. Thus the explanation for what might seem to be excessively fastidious concern over scheduling patient recipients.

    Note × : I do not claim significant medical training, nor to be providing medical advice anywhere in this comment-posting; readers should draw their own conclusions in consultation with applicable medical sources or staff.

  195. M Simon says:


    Vitamin D supplements reduce covid morbidity by 83%. Is the vaccine that good? The link was found here https://goldcountrymedia.com/news/187921/editorial-vitamin-d-is-for-defense-against-covid-19-virus/ – he doesn’t like Big Pharma. At all.

  196. M Simon says:

    More Vit D (probably the same study).

    I saw a report (if I see it again I’ll post it) saying that the vaccine would cause 250K to 300K deaths.

  197. David A says:

    Interesting zerohedge article on the cost of the Wuflu.

    I think it overestimated the cost of post 9-11 wars, and over estimates the dollar amount assigned to Wuflu deaths.

    Regarding the war costs it appears to include the entire DOD budget, and then adds in amother 800 plus billion on top.
    And while a financial cost of deaths is not easy to determine, it should at least be pro-rated to “life years” lost.

  198. David A says:

    M. Simon,

    How very tragic and criminal that such simple treatments like Vitamin D, HCQ and Zinc, and Ivermectin were ignored and even willfully resisted.

  199. David A says:

    There are many indications that regular exposure to sunshine is considerably better then simply taking vitamin D supplements.
    “The possible benefits of sun exposure beyond vitamin D include immune modulation, control of blood pressure, control of metabolism and weight, and feelings of well- being”

    “Moreover, keratinocytes, which make up over 90% of the outermost layer of skin, cannot rely on vitamin D3 from supplements. Keratinocytes must synthesize their own supply of vitamin D directly from sun exposure, ”

    “The vitamin D made in the skin can also help protect from melanoma, a serious form of skin cancer. Research shows that people who have a vitamin D level of at least 30 ng/ml (75 nmol/L) have a 96% reduced risk of melanoma as evidenced by a case-control study by Cattaruzza et al. (2018):”

    Beyond vitamin D production, another of the many benefits of sun exposure is the release of nitric oxide when the skin is exposed to the sun’s UVA rays. Nitric oxide is beneficial for heart health by acting to increase blood flow and lower blood pressure. Additionally, nitric oxide plays a key role in immunity, cellular function, neurotransmission, and has antimicrobial and anticancer effects.

    Sunlight exposure also results in the production of serotonin and beta-endorphins, which promote mood enhancement and relaxation, relieve pain, and boost immunity. Daytime sunlight exposure also helps guide your internal clock, or circadian rhythm, by increasing melatonin levels at night which promotes sleep and allows your body enough time to rejuvenate. Disruptions to circadian rhythm have been shown to increase the risk of cancer, heart disease, and metabolic conditions.”

    “Research studies have revealed preliminary links between sunlight as a potential treatment for several other conditions. These include:

    rheumatoid arthritis (RA)
    systemic lupus erythematosus
    inflammatory bowel disease

    Fresh air and Sunshine…


  200. M Simon says:

    Well this is odd. A setting (rising?) sun in one window and bright daylight in the other two.

    Even if it was CGI – that is very sloppy.

  201. M Simon says:

    Notice the greenery in this video and compare it to other pictures of Joe in the oval office over the last few days. The vegetation is not going to change much over a week in the middle of winter.

  202. cdquarles says:

    These days, I doubt that many physicians inoculate people these days. Heck, back in the 60s, when they lined all of us school children up for small pox vaccinations, it wasn’t the doctors that did it, nor was it done in a medical setting. Line up, move sleeve, alcohol wipe, shot, next, like an assembly line. If there had been an anaphylactic reaction, I don’t remember them being able to deal with it (no paramedic with epinephrine nearby). No doubt that there were a few of these given the million+ doses given. As more folk get this vaccination, the convergence to the true anaphylactic rate will happen; just that it will seem to be more early on.

    At the moment, I do not plan to get this vaccine. I am not 70+ yet, though I do have “co-morbidities”. I live in the old South and go outdoors as much as I can. I have tried to avoid crowds for years, given that I have been taking a mild immune suppressant medicine for decades. Have I been exposed? Maybe. Have I gotten it? I don’t think so; but the signs and symptoms of this respiratory virus overlap with the 2 to 3 dozen other ones (main type) and their subsequent hundreds or thousands of subtypes. I do know that PCR tests do *not* detect pathogens. They detect nucleic acid strings and those are not unique, particularly the shorter the strings are.

    Prediction: the virus will be with us. Sporadic outbreaks will happen year-round. Seasonal epidemics will happen (winter for the north, summer for the south); case definitions will be tightened, cycle thresholds reduced (maybe published, maybe not), and all of this will be after the political advantage has been exhausted or used to achieve the totalitarian types of goals.

  203. The True Nolan says:

    Biden signs executive order, says, “I don’t know what I’m signing.”

    Real? Fake overdubbed? Does it matter one way or the other?

  204. E.M.Smith says:

    Since Biden is just an empty suit pretending to be POTUS and is illegally and illegitimately installed, I don’t think it matters one way or another. Just get a signature stamp made and give it to Kamel-a anyway… it is about as legitimate and just as ‘mindful’ as China Joe.

  205. E.M.Smith says:

    @M. Simon:

    Looks to me like there’s a spur road right up to the Oval Office and a larger road arc behind it (rather like seen in the photo above with the car on it) along with plants at various angles.


    Per the “setting sun”: Just looks like a flash reflection to me. Windows at angles sometimes act as windows, sometimes as mirrors. There’s enough glass there at various angles, AND enough lighting sources, that saying anything much about it is a coin toss. I’ve taken flash photos where the window became a mirror of my flash, and me, when I didn’t expect it.

    Also, with the sunlit outdoors backlight, to get Biden to be other than a shadow will require “Fill Flash”. (Likely via bounce off the ceiling given the lack of shadows other than straight down – and a hint of outdoor sun shadow on the phones and E.O. Binders stack). My best estimate is that the “setting sun” and person in that ‘window’ are the photo shoot team and their bounce flash swamping the exterior image light and showing up as ‘in a mirror’.

  206. YMMV says:

    IVM news.

    This video explains Antibody-Dependent-Enhancement of a virus. In short, the antibody makes it easier for the virus to infect cells instead of making it harder. Interesting. Known to occur with some virus types.

    Towards the end of the he puts forward a new hypothesis of how the Cytokine Storm is caused,
    and how to stop it. Ivermectin, as prophylactic, and from day one of infection, and as therapy for infection. Steroids in added to treatment in later period. IVM is the only known treatment.

    Antibodies produced by the vaccines so far produce neutralizing antibodies. This is what you want. The antibodies produced by the virus may not be, and that could be bad trouble (ADE).

    It’s just at the hypothesis stage. Definitely worth investigating.

  207. E.M.Smith says:


    Sars 1 vaccine DID have an ADE problem. So there’s reason to watch SARS 2 carefully.

    UN-fortunately ADE only happens when the antibody level drops JUST LOW ENOUGH. That can take a good long time. IFF it were to take, say, a year, and we managed to vaccinate 1/2 the population, you would then be set up to have about 1/4 to 1/2 of your population die off…

    Why I’m not getting any vaccination for Chinese Wuhan Covid (Sars 2) until at least 2022…

  208. M Simon says:

    Take one of the long shots and magnify it. The size of the soldiers on the steps doesn’t seem to match the soldiers in the foreground even accounting for perspective. That is kinda odd.

  209. David A says:

    Great video. ? How does Zinc fit into this?
    E.M., in listening to the video the Dr appears to be saying that if ADE happens ( he outlines five distinct methods of this happening) then Ivermectin plus steroid treatment would be very effective.

  210. M Simon says:

    E.M.Smith says:
    25 January 2021 at 5:23 am

    I avoid experimental drugs

  211. M Simon says:

    Weathering the Cytokine Storm
    In mice, THC halts the immune cascade that causes acute respiratory distress syndrome

    This has been known for over 20 years. It is not recent. Thank The Maker we have laws protecting us from home grown drugs.

  212. M Simon says:

    The official justification for keeping troops around the Capitol is “impeachment security concerns,” according to the report.

    However, the Guard have been given virtually no information about what they are required to do, with one soldier describing the situation as “very unusual for any military mission.”

  213. E.M.Smith says:


    It’s an artifact of the long distances vs lens perspective. Photographers use that kind of effect all the time to get the photo they want: See examples here:


    @David A:

    You have TWO immune systems. Innate and anti-body based. The innate immunity uses things like zinc to screw up virus replication while the antibody based uses designer molecules (antibodies) to tag particular objects (virus,bacteria, fragments) for consumption by white blood cells.


    So if ADE has the virus able to insert itself into the white blood cells that the antibody joins with, and then kill it, you are suffering loss of antibody based immunity (as in AIDS) but you still have available innate immunity cells / systems, and zinc enhances the blockage of virus replication once inside the cells of the body, giving less load on your (now weakened) total immune system, so it can avoid being overwhelmed.

  214. The True Nolan says:

    @E.M.: “Sars 1 vaccine DID have an ADE problem. So there’s reason to watch SARS 2 carefully.”

    One of the things that really puzzles me is why the early reports out of Wuhan seemed so much worse than what we have seen in the US. Is it possible that Wuhan was the location of Sars 1 vaccine testing, and the induced ADE was triggered by the second virus?

    Also, in regard to cytokine storm, my understanding is that Ebola is so deadly because of the cytokine storm. Back (in the 90s?) a group of Japanese doctors in Africa found that selenium was a very effect treatment for Ebola patients because it stopped the storm. I suspect that selenium and zinc have very similar functions for cellular biology. (If anyone wants the Japanese paper, I can probably turn up a link for it.) Last spring I bought extra bottles of selenium and zinc for friends and family. When my two neighbors (both in early 60s) caught Covid I convinced them to take zinc. Both recovered quickly despite some co-morbidities.

  215. David A says:

    As always, thanks E.M.

  216. E.M.Smith says:


    The thesis was put forward that prior exposure to either the SARS1 vaccine OR just the SARS1 virus itself was predisposing to a worse outcome with SARS 2 (aka Covid 19 aka Chinese Wuhan Covid). That had neither been proven nor disproven last I looked.

    One thought was that the 2nd exposure cytokine storm was worse as the person had a stronger reaction due to prior exposure. Another was that ADE was involved. Nobody knows for sure.

    Per Selenium:

    Looks like part of what it does is DNA mutation prevention, so low selenium leads to more virus mutations and a harder time stopping it. It may have other immune functions as well, as it depletes rapidly under virus infection:


    Selenium Is A Crucial Anti-Viral Agent
    Selenium is the most important nutrient that your immune system needs to fight viral infections. Selenium deficiency creates a weakening of defences against infectious diseases, especially those caused by viruses. Selenium deficiency may lead to increased risk that a virus will change itself from a benign (mild) virus to a highly virulent (dangerous) virus.
    A study in 1998 found that patients with severe viral infections have rapidly decreasing concentrations of selenium in their body. Almost half of a person’s selenium concentrations may disappear during such infection, which can be life-threatening, if the person’s selenium levels are already low.

    This study discovered the unexpected degree to which selenium is used up when the immune system is activated by the virus. Even in people who get adequate amounts of dietary selenium, additional supplementation will be beneficial.

    Selenium protects the genetic material from mutations in humans, animals and viruses. When a virus infects a human or animal lacking selenium, the virus can undergo mutations making it far more dangerous. If the virus also lacks selenium, mutations can occur making it even more dangerous. There is a risk that many viruses could become more virulent by passing through a selenium-deficient host.

    Just a random pick off a web search on ‘selenium antiviral’, but does look like an interesting topic for a Dig Here! would be ‘selenium in immune function’…


    The role of selenium in inflammation and immunity: from molecular mechanisms to therapeutic opportunities
    Zhi Huang 1, Aaron H Rose, Peter R Hoffmann
    Affiliations expand
    PMID: 21955027 PMCID: PMC3277928 DOI: 10.1089/ars.2011.4145
    Free PMC article
    Dietary selenium (]Se), mainly through its incorporation into selenoproteins, plays an important role in inflammation and immunity. Adequate levels of Se are important for initiating immunity, but they are also involved in regulating excessive immune responses and chronic inflammation.
    Evidence has emerged regarding roles for individual selenoproteins in regulating inflammation and immunity, and this has provided important insight into mechanisms by which Se influences these processes. Se deficiency has long been recognized to negatively impact immune cells during activation, differentiation, and proliferation. This is related to increased oxidative stress, but additional functions such as protein folding and calcium flux may also be impaired in immune cells under Se deficient conditions. Supplementing diets with above-adequate levels of Se can also impinge on immune cell function, with some types of inflammation and immunity particularly affected and sexually dimorphic effects of Se levels in some cases. In this comprehensive article, the roles of Se and individual selenoproteins in regulating immune cell signaling and function are discussed. Particular emphasis is given to how Se and selenoproteins are linked to redox signaling, oxidative burst, calcium flux, and the subsequent effector functions of immune cells. Data obtained from cell culture and animal models are reviewed and compared with those involving human physiology and pathophysiology, including the effects of Se levels on inflammatory or immune-related diseases including anti-viral immunity, autoimmunity, sepsis, allergic asthma, and chronic inflammatory disorders. Finally, the benefits and potential adverse effects of intervention with Se supplementation for various inflammatory or immune disorders are discussed.

    So looks like an important one to look into / take / avoid deficiencies.

  217. E.M.Smith says:

    BTW, one Brazil Nut a day is more than enough Selenium. As is 1/2 a can of tuna. It is also found in a lot of other ocean fish, oysters, etc. So a diet with decent seafood in it will be well supplied. Chicken, eggs, pork, & beef are OK sources but not quite as high.

    It looks to me like Vegans are at risk if they don’t look for a good plant source (i.e. those nuts…) but use pescatarians and carnivores are pretty well set. Two eggs and a cup of oatmeal cover it too.


  218. cdquarles says:

    Remember when we were discussing death certificates? I’d not be surprised that this is true, at all: https://redstate.com/michael_thau/2021/01/25/report-april-cdc-change-to-c19-criteria-that-inflated-deaths-10-fold-also-violated-federal-law-n316048. Why? Recall that the PTB politicized another viral infection for political goals, some 40 years ago.

  219. YMMV says:

    David A: “How does Zinc fit into this?”

    We know that some people exposed to the virus just brush it off and others get really sick. We don’t know why. We know some things like age, comorbidities, low Vitamin C make it worse.

    An aside. We have all heard about BLM, and the new regime says it believes black lives matter. But evidently black lives are not essential. Because if they really believed that black lives matter, they would have a big publicity campaign telling blacks (and others) to get their Vitamin D levels up!

    The immune system is amazing. Complex and complicated. There are hours and hours of videos explaining how it deals with this virus. For those who have the interest and the background to follow the science. Those who do not, they just hear “dead”, “mask”, “lockdown”, “do as I say, not as I do”.

    Anyway, from what I gather, it is very important to not have deficiencies in vitamins and minerals that the immune system depends upon. Like zinc.

    “Ivermectin plus steroid treatment would be very effective.”

    IVM helps the immune system defend against this virus. It seems to do it in several ways, without necessarily being an anti-viral. As I said, it’s complicated.

    But there are two phases to this disease. At first, the virus is multiplying and spreading. At this point an anti-viral helps. But then in the second phase, the virus has taken the fortress, and the problem becomes the over-reaction of the immune system, which ends up being deadly. In this part, the steroids are given to damp down the immune system reaction. And if you survive that, then there is the long-hauler stage, where the virus has disrupted other parts of the body.

    Bottom line is that you do not want to get it. Take your vitamins and minerals and search for a source of IVM. Taking a vaccine is your decision, but if you don’t, be sure to get the IVM.

    Any day now, the media is going to discover IVM. They may even call it a miracle cure, although up to now, doing so would get you banned from the Big Tech media services.

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  221. E.M.Smith says:


    Nice summary.

    Also of note, in addition to minor disruption of the RNA reverse transcriptase process,


    J Biol Chem
    . 2011 Nov 25;286(47):40433-42. doi: 10.1074/jbc.M111.289850. Epub 2011 Sep 26.
    Mechanism of HIV reverse transcriptase inhibition by zinc: formation of a highly stable enzyme-(primer-template) complex with profoundly diminished catalytic activity

    is that Zinc is essential for a huge number of enzymes and other general metabolic systems. So if you don’t have enough of it, all sorts of things start to go wacky as they don’t get the parts they need…

    This is why Cadmium is such a horrible toxin. Sitting just below Zinc in the periodic chart, it gets substituted in those enzyme systems and breaks them. For one thing, your bones just dissolve away…

    So the specific mode of initial action is to slow the replication of the virus via a particular enzyme. But it is also essential to having all the rest of your machinery working right…


    Nutrition and Nutritional Diseases
    Lewis Sherry M., … Ullrey Duane E., in The Laboratory Primate, 2005

    Over 200 zinc enzymes are known (NRC, 2003). Zinc activates enzymes of protein metabolism, is part of carbonate dehydratase and carbon dioxide transfer, and is important for immune function
    (Knapka et al., 1995). While spontaneous zinc deficiency is not common, experimental deficiency causes alopecia and dermal lesions on the extremities, face and abdomen in rhesus and bonnet macaques (Swenerton and Hurley, 1980), squirrel monkeys (Barney et al., 1967; Macapinlac et al., 1967) and moustached tamarins (Chadwick et al., 1979). Parakeratosis and thickening of the dorsal surface of the tongue were present in the squirrel monkeys (Barney et al., 1967). Rhesus monkeys also exhibit depressed immune responses, as evidenced by decreased neutrophil chemotaxis, impaired mitogen responses, and inhibition of immunoglobulin production (Vruwink et al., 1991). In pregnant rhesus monkeys, zinc deficiency caused anorexia, stillbirths, abortions, delivery complications, low birth weights (Golub et al., 1984a,b), altered myelination in the offspring (Liu et al., 1992), taste dysfunction, impaired growth, and reduced dietary efficiency (Golub et al., 1984c). In infant rhesus monkeys, zinc deficiency caused apathy, lethargy, depressed immune function, decreased plasma alkaline phosphatase activity, hypochromic microcytic anemia, delayed skeletal maturation, and impaired bone mineralization (Leek et al., 1984; Golub et al., 1985; Haynes et al., 1985; Leek et al., 1988). Zinc overload can interfere with absorption of copper in infant rhesus monkeys (Lonnerdal et al., 1999). Elevated serum zinc was associated with light-induced seizures in Senagalese baboons (Papio papio) which responded to zinc-chelation therapy (Alley et al., 1981).

    Zinc: Physiology, Dietary Sources, and Requirements
    H.C. Freake, K. Sankavaram, in Encyclopedia of Human Nutrition (Third Edition), 2013

    Zinc Transcription Factors
    There are many zinc enzymes but even more transcription factors utilize zinc. Variable numbers of zinc atoms are each coordinated by four cysteine or histidine residues to stabilize a DNA binding structure. A search of the human genome has revealed over 1000 genes (approximately 3% of those identified) containing these characteristic zinc finger domains.
    An important class of zinc finger transcription factors is the steroid/thyroid receptor superfamily, responsible for mediating the biological response to a wide range of hormonal and metabolic signals, including retinoic acid and vitamin D. These all have nine conserved cysteine residues in the DNA binding region, eight of which are coordinated by two atoms of zinc. Loss of zinc from these sites would interrupt biological function but it is not clear that this ever happens in a physiological context. Gene expression profiling has been used to assess the genome-wide response to changing zinc availability in different tissues, including intestine, liver, and cells of the immune system. The gene products identified as zinc-sensitive by these approaches amount to approximately 5% of the expressed genes within a tissue. MTF-1 is likely to mediate some but not all of these changes and other transcription factors whose activity is dependent on zinc may soon be found.

    So it’s unlikely we even know all the ways it might matter…

    But clearly and deficiency is a huge spanner in your metabolic and immune works.

  222. Thought you might enjoy this cynical view of Biden from a UK web site


    Biden seems to have rapidly signed a lot of Executive orders but I thought the Democrats complained when Trump used EO’s?

  223. YMMV says:

    RE: to-hell-in-bidens-handcart link

    The list of EO so far — Biden has already established himself as the Anti-Trump.

    “his fit-for-a-banana-republic inauguration” — And more, it reminded me of scenes in movies featuring the Nazi pageantry. The message is that the state is all-powerful, the glorious leader in the balcony is higher (more important) than the crowds below. Although they may be cheering him now, they are the peasants, the peons, the pawns in the game. The expendables.
    For your amusement see: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Peon

  224. Taz says:

    “Plus, I’ll be saving a LOT of money on movies, TV, anything with Hollywood “stars” in it.”

    Hahahahahahaha. That’s on my list too. I regret the collateral damage inflicted upon “little people” who make those films possible. Still necessary to starve the beast.

  225. David A says:

    cdquarles, that is why I maintain that an accurate all cause and excess mortality number is needed, and not easy to find. Likewise hospital ECU occupancy compared to a bad flu season is not easy to find.

  226. The True Nolan says:

    I’m not saying Biden is old and senile, but I just heard that he is pushing for $15 an hour wages for the lantern boy who walks in front of our horseless carriage.

  227. Ossqss says:

    @David A,

    PCR testing allows for moving rates easily via a positive 40Ct test on a corpse, let alone someone with a cold. I would also remind us about the 161 patient level for covid at hospitals.

    It was interesting how the WHO, an hour after the Biden inauguration, formally disclosed such deficiencies in test methodology.

  228. David A says:

    Ossqss, ?? 161 patient level?

    To a degree real excess mortality numbers would bypass all the bad testing and the loose mortality cause methods. At least it would give us a ligitimate basis to analyze from…

    1. Given population trends, how many people would have been expected to die in 2020 in a normal flu year? In a bad flu year?
    2. How many did die.
    From there go to analysis.

    1. How many hospital ECU beds were available in 2019 and in 2020?
    2. What was the weekly ICU occupancy rate in 2019, and in 2020?

    From there go to analysis. Unfortunately these are not easy numbers to pull up.

  229. YMMV says:

    On the question of side-effects. There is the possibility of some unwanted side-effect of a vaccine developing at some later time. What the doctors say is that usually reactions to the vaccine occur pretty quickly. But who knows about side-effects for sure?

    On the other hand, those not taking a vaccine risk getting the virus itself. Some kinds of virus have extremely delayed bad side-effects. Such as shingles or cancer. Who knows if this one causes some disease to break out decades later? Not me.

    Here is a very recent video about prevention and treatment of Covid, by Dr. Marik of FLCCC and the I-MASK+ protocol.
    I have set it to start at their current protocols. He says that relatives of some Covid patients in hospitals have had to smuggle in Ivermectin!

  230. M Simon says:

    E.M.Smith says:
    25 January 2021 at 4:46 pm

    Charlie’s Aunt “Where the nuts come from, you know.”

    FORT SHAFTER, Hawaii — Lt. Gen. Charles Flynn has been nominated to lead U.S. Army Pacific, a post now held by Gen. Paul LaCamera, who took command in November 2019.

    Flynn, who will be promoted to a four-star general if confirmed by the Senate, is stationed in Washington, D.C., and serves as deputy chief of staff in the Army’s G-3/5/7 section. It plans and coordinates mobilization of the Reserve component in the continental United States.

    He is the younger brother of Michael Flynn……….

  231. M Simon says:

    cdquarles says:
    25 January 2021 at 5:56 pm
    What virus 40 years ago? Polio was about 60 or 70 years ago. We got the shots in school and then took sugar cubes a few years later.

  232. M Simon says:

    A video of Covid police in Holland. They beat up a guy on a bicycle. The Nazi-ism is way more advanced compared to what we generally see here. They have had practice.

  233. cdquarles says:

    I am talking about AIDS, friend M. Simon. For that one, I was there, in a sense. It hit the public big time in the 80s, though I was aware of it in 1979. It wasn’t called that, back then. I was working in a pathology lab at the time, working on sickle cell. The virology lab was a few hundred feet away in another building. The electron microscope I worked with was a hand-me-down from them.

  234. cdquarles says:

    @David A,
    All cause mortality in the USA is about 0.9% of the actual population for that year. It has been near that for 60 or 70 years, I think. The number varies some, too; so comparing years is a bit tricky. Loose case/death definitions allow one to make things look worse, or better, as one desires; up to a point. The CDC defines excess death as 5% higher than the average rate seen over the previous 5 years, if I am not mistaken (that also allows for some creative story-telling).

    I’d also not be surprised, given what I have seen for the crude ages of death for this that it doesn’t affect the life expectancy at birth number at all, which is essentially an inversion of the cumulative deaths by age of death. That curve is “J” shaped. Relatively high during the first few years, drops off as most folk survive the childhood and teenage years, then slowly climbs through middle age then jumps steeply for the very elderly.

  235. The True Nolan says:

    @ E.M. “Looks like part of what it does is DNA mutation prevention, so low selenium leads to more virus mutations and a harder time stopping it.”

    Those are some very good links on selenium and zinc. Thanks!

    My understanding is that one of the fears about the Pfizer so-called “vaccine” is that the mRNA may be reverse-transcribed into a person’s DNA. Pfizer of course says that the mRNA is only temporary and will not be incorporated long term. The world is complicated, and reverse-transcription, while maybe not common, does happen. If selenium makes such a DNA change less common then those who choose to take the mRNA might do well to supplement selenium for that reason.

  236. Ossqss says:

    @David A, I would deduce that there is much incentive to get a positive PCR test for a hospital.

    The second round of funding announced today was based on a formula for hospitals with over 161 COVID-19 admissions between January 1 and June 10, 2020, or one admission per day, or that experienced a disproportionate intensity of COVID admissions (exceeding the average ratio of COVID admissions/bed). Hospitals will be paid $50,000 per eligible admission

    The first round of funding was based on a formula that distributed funds to hospitals with 100 or more COVID-19 admissions between January 1 and April 10, 2020 and paid $76,975 per eligible admission. These previous high impact payments were also taken into account when determining each hospital’s payment in this second round distribution. ”


  237. E.M.Smith says:


    You’re welcome. Zinc enzymes were a big part of my realization that our actual metabolism is an interaction of our DNA driven protein production with an internal sea of metal ions.

    There’s another enzyme needed to insert into the nuclear DNA; missing from Covid.

    So no worries.

    But nobody has asked what happens if you have one of those viruses that make that enzyme when you get vaccinated… You know, unusual things like herpes, cold sores, warts,…

  238. M Simon says:

    cdquarles says:
    26 January 2021 at 3:59 pm

    In the reliability dept. we call those Bathtub curves.

  239. cdquarles says:

    As far as I can remember, messenger RNA is not transcribed into any other nucleic acid string. It exists for translation from nucleic acid strings to amino acid strings. It also has a fairly short half-life due to degradation by endonucleases. That, of course, doesn’t mean that reverse transcription to a DNA string by a reverse transcriptase to become a transposon and intercalated doesn’t happen. It may very well happen with natural infections all of the time; but the body does try very hard to excise these things out or render them inert via transcription regulation.

    Nevertheless, nucleic acid strings are not unique, especially the shorter the string is; and we *do* have strings homologous to viruses incorporated into our DNA already. That’s true even when you do not get infected by herpes viruses.

  240. YMMV says:

    “what happens if you have one of those viruses”

    Before Covid, I thought evolution was by gene mutations. Now that I learn about what a virus can do, evolution just got a whole lot more powerful.

    Around 30 per cent all the adaptive mutations in our genome – a third of human evolution – has been in response to viruses.

    — David Enard, an evolutionary biologist, 2016, eLife

    He is saying here that a virus can make a species go extinct, but the species can be saved (but changed) by a mutation that isn’t affected by the virus. It’s an arms race. But it is worse than that.

    a handful of retroviruses – including HIV – are even sneakier, smuggling their way into our DNA. They insert themselves randomly into the genome of an organism, lying low until the time is right to start virus production again.

    But once a retrovirus has got into an organism’s DNA, there’s no guarantee that it will stay put. The genetic instructions can be ‘read’ from the embedded virus, converted into DNA and then pasted into another location in the genome.

    And if any of these events happen in the germ cells that make eggs and sperm, then they will be passed down the generations and eventually become a permanent part of an organism’s genome.

    Around half of the human genome is made up of millions of DNA sequences that can be traced back to long-dead viruses or similar ‘jumping genes’, known collectively as transposable elements or transposons.

    Some researchers would even put this figure up at 80 per cent, as ancient sequences are now degraded beyond the point of being recognisably virus-like, weathered within the genome like molecular fossils.

    For many years, the large chunks of repetitive virus-derived DNA littering the human genome were dismissed as ‘junk’. A proportion of this repetitive stuff undoubtedly is little more than junk in our genetic trunk, but as researchers look more closely at individual viral elements, a more sophisticated picture is emerging.

    And it turns out that as well as being our genetic enemies, some of the viruses embedded in our genome have become our slaves.


    One further example. Animals used to lay eggs, then a retrovirus came along and inserted itself into DNA and, voilà, there were mammals.

    Who knows, maybe the first “life” on earth was a virus.

  241. cdquarles says:

    In my opinion, the first embodied in chemicals life couldn’t possibly be a virus. Viruses are the ultimate parasites and they don’t do metabolism; which all other forms of embodied bags of chemicals yet living things do. That’s why, in my opinion, viruses are not alive. They are more-or-less infectious by being more-or-less intact strings of nucleic acids wrapped in protein or protein plus lipid membranes that are also more-or-less intact.

  242. The True Nolan says:

    @cdquarles: “messenger RNA is not transcribed into any other nucleic acid string. It exists for translation from nucleic acid strings to amino acid strings. It also has a fairly short half-life due to degradation by endonucleases.”

    Yes, and that is certainly the justification for thinking that the mRNA so-called “vaccines” are safe. “We’ll inject you with mRNA, but it won’t hang around. I will all be gone soon in the natural course of biochemical actions, and all that will be left is an acquired immunity to that specific chain.” What could possibly go wrong? And they may even be correct about that! On the other hand, is it prudent to use a few billion test subjects for the first real run to find out whether something “could possibly go wrong”?

  243. philjourdan says:

    As interesting as a hemorrhoid. They are going after conservatives and leaving the fascists alone. (antifa)

  244. YMMV says:

    @cdquarles: “In my opinion, the first embodied in chemicals life couldn’t possibly be a virus. Viruses are the ultimate parasites and they don’t do metabolism; which all other forms of embodied bags of chemicals yet living things do. That’s why, in my opinion, viruses are not alive.”

    I would never say viruses are alive either. More primitive. The question of how life started is intriguing, but far too hopeless for me to bother with it too much. It is still at the point where we have to say: “and then there was a miracle” or a God. All according to your personal beliefs.

    How did some chemicals (assuming we had those already) form proteins and other organic compounds including DNA and all that? Viruses are pretty simple, comparatively speaking, but probably more of a chicken than an egg? A bootstrap problem.

    Meanwhile, how do we live through 2021?

  245. E.M.Smith says:


    “somewhere” in a prior posting I noted that the choice of metal ions we use in our biochemistry is selected to the same set that is selected in volcanic mud pots (where the heavier metal ions don’t quite make it to them).

    Then the other bit is to realize that life formed BEFORE the Great Oxygen Catastrophe. That is, it formed in a world of reducing chemicals, not oxidating, and that organic molecules would hang around easily there, then. Now stir in that various asteroid / comet bits have been shown to have amino acids formed on them…

    It is a small leap to a big pot of mud full of organic goo, from “oil” and methane derivatives to amino acids, fats, etc. etc. With all the metal ions normal to life.

    It is a bigger leap to my conclusion:

    Life started NOT as cells, but as a big Pot-O-Life. All manner of chemical reactions between the organics in the mud pots. Some of these reactions are self sustaining and form chains of long reaction or cycles of “metabolism” (though not to the end purpose of keeping a cell alive. So a lot of DNA floating around and RNA and some proteins and more. Some of these start to form replication chains, so come to dominate the pot. Eventually the cycle closes and you get DNA making proteins that make more of that DNA… Now it just needs to get bound up inside a lipo-protein bubble (proto-cell) which, BTW, will form just by shaking the right stuff… and now begins the process of adding “pumps”.

    Proto-cells of lipo-protein layers form and break up and reform. Along the way, those that have an ion-pump that helps it stay functioning,, continue to function better than those that don’t (and are thus functionally ‘dead’ for a while). Eventually one of these bubbles of stuff is equipped with enough of the right bits to keep on going without being broken up and added back to the pot of soup. You have your first cell and can now apply Darwin to cells, not just bags of soup. The rest, as they say, is history.

    Where would a virus enter into this process? IMHO they would be some of the very first things to happen. In the big Pot-O-Soup mud bath, strings of RNA or DNA that can replicate, or get the proto-proteins of a proto-metabolism to replicate them, will replicate. Eventually, when you get your first proto-cells, these fragments would benefit from a ‘coat’ that lets them bind to and enter those proto-cells. There to be replicated.

    In short, I think virus particles / DNA / RNA have existed since the very start, and were likely very important in making life “go” at all as they were the early replicated stuff and would have moved various bits of DNA / RNA around between parts of the soup and various proto-cells forming in it.

    Eventually some early bacteria like cells infected other cells and we move from ancient bacteria and such to eukaryotic cells. Eventually, too, the Great Oxygen Catastrophe happened as cyanobacteria spit out oxygen, and most of life had to develop oxygen coping machinery. After a few Billion Years we get the life of today and folks saying there’s just no way you can form a cell all at once with all that necessary machinery.

    But they miss the point that organic replication didn’t always need a cell or all that machinery. It was added bit by bit as conditions changed. The first life had more in common with a PCR machine than a cell.

  246. M Simon says:

    YMMV says:
    30 January 2021 at 7:31 am

    How? There are preferred connections.

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