## W.O.O.D. – 11 April 2021

### Intro

This is another of the W.O.O.D. series of semi-regular
Weekly Occasional Open Discussions.
(i.e. if I forget and skip one, no big)

Immediate prior one here:

https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2021/03/24/w-o-o-d-24-mar-2021/
and remains open for threads running there (at least until the ‘several month’ auto-close of comments on stale threads).

Canonical list of old ones here:
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/category/w-o-o-d/

### “Stuff” Happens

The Fed has decided you don’t need to know the actual money supply. Just the “adjusted” series.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2

Categories > Money, Banking, & Finance > Monetary Data > M2 and Components

This series will no longer be updated. More information is available in the notes below the graph. This series is the suggested substitute: M2SL
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2SL
M2 Money Stock (DISCONTINUED) (M2)

SL is the seasonally adjusted version. Something similar was done to M3 a while back, and now they are also doing it to M1 & M2. M1 is cash & checking and similar “immediate money”, while M2 includes M1 but adds slightly longer duration bank deposits. M3 also includes other even longer duration instruments.

I wonder if there’s something they don’t want people to notice. See anything? Especially over at the right edge?

Fed M2 Money Supply Report

It looks to me like we are preparing to test the notion that you can just keep creating money without end and not be destroyed by inflation. “This time for sure!”… Seems every Socialist Dictator eventually tries this, and it never has ended well.

Here’s what M1 seasonally adjusted looks like.

Fed M1 Money Supply Seasonally Adjusted

So look like most of the money is showing up as straight cash and checking deposits. People sitting on cash, or banks turned loose to have a huge multiplier and making vapor money?

Florida vs. NY

Which works better at suppression of Chinese Wuhan Covid? Sunshine and freedom (and higher Vit-D levels from that)or lockdowns in the Shade Canyons of New York?

https://www.breitbart.com/science/2021/04/10/florida-reports-fewer-coronavirus-cases-per-capita-than-new-york-pennsylvania-michigan/

Florida Reports Fewer Coronavirus Cases Per Capita Than New York, Pennsylvania, Michigan

Florida continues to report fewer new cases of the Chinese coronavirus per capita than pro-lockdown blue states such as New York, Pennsylvania, and Michigan.

While the establishment media frequently criticized Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) for prioritizing individual liberty throughout the Chinese coronavirus pandemic, Florida is continuing to fare better than certain blue states in terms of reporting new cases of the virus.

Florida, which has no mask mandate in place, has reported 176.3 cases per 100,000 in the last seven days, or 37,859 cases, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) April 9 data.

But three blue states — Michigan, Pennsylvania, and New York — have reported more cases per capita in the same time frame, despite leaving certain restrictions in place, including statewide mask mandates.

### Things of interest

Looks like there’s more to running a business and making a good product than posturing and whining and being all PC like…

https://nypost.com/2021/04/11/david-hogg-drops-pillow-venture-to-return-to-activism/

David Hogg drops pillow venture launched during spat with Mike Lindell
By Tamar LapinApril 11, 2021 | 2:46am | Updated

He must have slept on it.
[…]
David Hogg says he’s giving up his role in the pillow company he launched to compete with conservative MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell — and going back to activism.

Hogg, 20, announced on Twitter Saturday “resigned and released all shares, any ownership and any control of Good Pillow LLC” effective immediately.

“The reasons for my departure rests entirely with me and my own personal commitments and I truly wish (co-founder William LeGate) nothing but the best,” he wrote.

Yeah, take it, for free… I think he knows what it’s worth…

In other news, looks like Gasoline & Diesel are, ya-know, Ray-cist… ’cause Black People don’t drive I guess… /sarc;

Members Of Biden’s ‘Environmental Justice’ Advisory Council Have History Of Radicalism, Claiming Fossil Fuels Are Racist
By Ashe Schow

Apr 10, 2021 DailyWire.com

At the end of last month, the Biden administration announced the members of the White House Environmental Justice Advisory Council, which would “provide advice and recommendations to the Chair of the Council on Environmental Quality (CEQ) and the White House Environmental Justice Interagency Council on how to address current and historic environmental injustices.”

Twenty-six people were named to the council, but at least four of them have made radical statements connecting fossil fuels to racism.
[…]
Beverly Wright, executive director of the Deep South Center for Environmental Justice, addressed a recent Department of Interior public forum on the federal oil and gas program and implored the Department to review the program “with an analysis of how it perpetuates environmental racism and the racial inequity of climate vulnerability.” She also insisted that “racial discrimination that is central to oil and gas operations.”

Uh Huh… because drilling holes in the ground and refining oil care a lot about the skin of folks drilling. (BTW, Son’s Father In Law works in a refinery and is modestly mixed race color…)

For more, just hit the link to Bongino’s site:

https://bonginoreport.com/

Or Whatfinger:

https://generaldispatch.whatfinger.com/

A technical managerial sort interested in things from Stonehenge to computer science. My present "hot buttons' are the mythology of Climate Change and ancient metrology; but things change...
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### 372 Responses to W.O.O.D. – 11 April 2021

1. E.M.Smith says:

NY cases vs AZ, Fl, Tx. Ben Shapiro:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Z9KoNgMItzM/

2. jim2 says:

JERUSALEM – The coronavirus variant discovered in South Africa can “break through” Pfizer/BioNTech’s COVID-19 vaccine to some extent, a real-world data study in Israel found, though its prevalence in the country is low and the research has not been peer-reviewed.

But among patients who had received two doses of the vaccine, the variant’s prevalence rate was eight times higher than those unvaccinated – 5.4% versus 0.7%.

This suggests the vaccine is less effective against the South African variant, compared with the original coronavirus and a variant first identified in Britain that has come to comprise nearly all COVID-19 cases in Israel, the researchers said.

https://nypost.com/2021/04/10/south-african-covid-variant-can-break-through-pfizer-vaccine/

3. Paul, Somerset says:

Meanwhile, over the Channel in England, the summer’s cricket season gets under way:

‘The Headingley forecast had been for a “light shower day” with rain creeping in by late afternoon. The reality was a one-hour burst of snow and hail as the players left the field for lunch with temperatures plummeting to 4C, one of the coldest days ever recorded in Championship history.

Within minutes, the outfield was bathed in white, the only sport conducted by a couple of excitable crows indulging in a spot of body surfing.’

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/county-championship-2021-1244186/yorkshire-vs-glamorgan-group-3-1244222/match-report-3

4. philjourdan says:

@Hogg dropping brand (forget pillow, Mike Lindel has gone all bedding). He forgot to trademark his brand! And some MAGA guy bought it!

He was never serious. Liberals never are.

5. David A says:

Home quotes…
“But among patients who had received two doses of the vaccine, the variant’s prevalence rate was eight times higher than those unvaccinated – 5.4% versus 0.7%.”

“This suggests the vaccine is less effective against the South African variant, compared with the original coronavirus and a variant first identified in Britain that has come to comprise nearly all COVID-19 cases in Israel, the researchers said.”

Does it not suggest that unvaccinated are more resistant to this particular strain?

6. H.R. says:

@philjourdan re Hogg: What a laugh! WAFI**

There’s another possibility, but it would never be reported. D. Hogg is so insufferable that he may have been escorted off the premises and threatened with legal action if he ever tried to associate his name with the company ever again.

I’m not aware that Hogg is being asked to lend his name to much of anything nowadays and I think it’s possibly due to some insufferability factor.

I guess all that’s left is for Hogg to do is to go into politics (*shudder*).

Thanks for the report, phil.

**WAFI (What A ‘Effing’ Idiot) – I don’t see that internet shorthand any more. I think I stopped seeing it at all 5 or 6 years ago. It’s useful, particularly for referring to politicians.

7. jim2 says:

I believe the point is that when the un-vaccinated contract COVID, they contract all variants. Whereas the vaccinated get primarily the SA variant. Because of that, the vaccinated display a higher percentage of the SA variant.

The vaccinated can also contract the non-SA variants, but the severity of illness is diminished.

8. Pinroot says:

The money supply: Sounds like we’re getting closer and closer to MMT (Modern Monetary Theory, but I like to call it what it really is, Magical Monetary Theory). Just print whatever you need, and we’re going to need a lot to cover the left’s “stimulus” and “infrastructure” plans. Oh, and all the free everything for “undocumented invaders”. What could go wrong? /sarc

The Kung Flu: It seems that the states that aren’t locked down tight are doing as well (or better) than the locked down states. Fauci was recently unable to explain why Texas, which ended mask mandates a month ago, doesn’t have dead bodies everywhere. Speaking of the fraud, I ran across this article about him over the weekend: Fauci Was Duplicitous on the AIDS Epidemic Too. Definitely worth a read. He seems to have a pattern which has worked well for him so far.

The numbers out of Israel are interesting. On the face of it, it looks like you’re better off not getting vaccinated if you want to avoid the variants. It will be interesting to see if those numbers change any as more variants pop up.

Hogg: I don’t think that anyone believed that anything would come of his business venture. He’s a hogg for the attention, and that’s about it. Once it’s time to start doing the hard part (the actual work), he suddenly finds he’s got too many other things going on. I suspect this is just a preview of how his entire life will play out.

9. jim2 says:

Pinroot. I believe you have misinterpreted the test result. The vaccinated will not get COVID very often. If they get it, it will be mild. Since the vaccine doesn’t work well against the SA variant, if the vaccinated get COVID, the SA version will present at a higher PERCENTAGE of cases. Because those not vaccinated will get sick from all the variants, the PERCENTAGE of SA cases among them will be smaller, but they will get sick at a greater frequency.

10. jim2 says:

The La Soufriere volcano erupted Friday morning on the Caribbean island of St. Vincent, then again in the afternoon, sending columns of ash more than 20,000 feet into the air.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2021/04/09/la-soufriere-volcano-erupts-st-vincent-caribbean/7156196002/

11. H.R. says:

@Pinroot re Hogg – I think his 15-minutes of fame have run out and the pillow thing was just to get his name back out there. But it looks like it was a dead cat bounce to me.

And I don’t think the company tag line, “Buy our pillow and you’ll be in Hogg heaven” was going to work very well.😜

12. p.g.sharrow says:

I have once used a hog for a pillow. Not something that I would recommend. But now that I have My Pillows on every bed, I refuse to convert to Hogg Pillows or go back to any of the others that I have used. They were all a pain in the neck.!.

13. another ian says:

“Original WWI footage, restored to look and sound like it was filmed with modern equipment. Here’s a trailer, and also a quick bit on how Peter Jackson did it.”

14. another ian says:
15. jim2 says:

What are they trying to hide? We know what!

EXCLUSIVE: The Democrats’ Attorney Marc Elias Has His Army of Radical Lawyers Ready to Threaten and Stop Any Election Audit in Maricopa County Arizona
By Joe Hoft
Published April 11, 2021 at 7:15pm

16. jim2 says:

In Antrim County Michigan, Attorney Mathew Deperno noted that a setting in the voting machines in that county caused an excessive number of ballots to be forced to be reviewed through ‘adjudication’. What this means, is these ballots were sent somewhere to someone to review and determine the results of the election for these ballots.

We first noted this in this audit of Antrim County performed by Deperno. We reported after the forensic examination of 16 Dominion Voting machines by a group brought in by attorney Deperno, that the Dominion Voting machines there were assigned a 68.05% error rate. DePerno explained that when ballots are put through the machine, a whopping 68.05% error rate means that 68.05% of the ballots are sent for bulk adjudication, which means they collect the ballots in a folder, and, “The ballots are sent somewhere where people in another location can change the vote,” DePerno explained. The number of votes going to adjudication should be a fraction of this.

17. jim2 says:

Joe Biden won Nevada in the 2020 election by 34,000 votes. There was much more corruption included in these numbers than the winning margin. Yesterday the Nevada Secretary of State was censored for her role in the state’s corrupt 2020 election results.

18. Jim Masterson says:

@jim2
>>
. . . Nevada Secretary of State was censored . . . .
<<

That sounds okay to me, but I believe the correct term is "censured." :-)

Jim

19. philjourdan says:

@H.R. – Re: David Hogg (snort)- Yes. it is not about incapability. It is about incompetence.

20. jim2 says:

JM – Tell it to Gateway Pundit. I just copied and pasted, within fair use of course. Of course, they may want to censor her also. Works for me.

21. another ian says:
22. jim2 says:

Lyle Rapacki is reporting from Arizona that the Arizona Senate’s Maricopa County 2020 Election Audit is scheduled to kick off on April 22.

A video reporting Lyle’s news was created stating that the Maricopa County audit will kick off on April 22nd. The audit will cover the 2.1 million ballots in the county which is about 60% of all the ballots in the state. The audit will be performed in front of cameras. All participants are being reviewed for background checks now.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/arizona-senates-maricopa-county-audit-now-scheduled-kick-off-april-22nd/

23. Pinroot says:

@jim2 re: the volcano – I haven’t checked to see what damage was done, but someone official on the island said that people who wanted to evacuate would have to have been vaccinated.
People on the Caribbean island where a volcano went off are being evacuated on cruise ships – but not without a COVID-19 vaccine

24. jim2 says:

That’s nuts Pinroot. I was wondering if 20,000 ft plume is enough to cool the climate. That’s only about 4 miles, so maybe not.

25. jim2 says:

According to this article, the plume reached 40,000 feet or 12 km. That’s enough to cool and it’s near the equator.

26. jim2 says:
27. Taz says:

What can be done to punish pro BLM companies which realistically causes them to decline and their management to be fired to a man?

Not interested in hand slaps. Death of the company and/or bankruptcy buyout only.

If you find yourself working for companies like these – you should leave. Seriously.

28. jim2 says:

There are so many companies jumping on the leftard band wagon you would almost have to live off the grid, shoot your own food, and make all your own stuff to avoid them. They are run by complete idiots.

29. H.R. says:

@p.g. aways a bit up thread re pillows:

LOL! Some nice word play there, dude. Good stuff.

I won’t ask about the ‘hog as a pillow’ incident, though. I probably would regret knowing and you might be too embarrassed to go into detail. No doubt, alcohol was involved. 😜 👍

30. David A says:

Regarding the volcano, I saw some some satellite videos, and like a large thunderstorm, the ash plume ejected forcefully into the strastopher where it quickly flattened and spread.

31. another ian says:

A thought of just now (well – somewhat later) on Prince Philip’s “clangers” — what anyone not there at the time does not have the inside on –

Many years ago in “The Virginian” IIRC there is a line “When you call me that, smile”. (Which line I’ve remembered and used through my career – works well in the national sport of “taking the mickey”).

And I’ll bet Prince Philip had a grin on when he said most things like that.

An example from our venacular-

Someone here referred to as “You old bstaard” with a big grin will take it as a complement.. Voice tone is also important (borrowed from a comment on another thread)

Same term without the grin is definitely not – and voice tone WILL be important there

And those not there include all those commenting that were not there – or if the scene was videoed did not take a close look.

32. H.R. says:

@another ian Re tone and smile:

I learned early on when communicating via keyboard and screen that the person at the other end is NOT getting those cues, so I use a lot of smilies and winkies.

If anyone hasn’t noticed by now, I have a cheeky, teasing, prattling style of writing and I’m much like that in person.

But in person, I’m rarely misinterpreted when I use something like “You bastard!” because the person can tell by tone and expression that I’m kidding. They probably ‘got one over’ on me that was very clever.

Sarcasm is the other difficult one to convey in writing. I try to avoid it when writing and definitely use a winky or /s if I do. I don’t like using sarcasm when speaking, either. And when spoken sarcasm is directed at me, I typically negate it. So if I make a goof and someone says, “Oh that was really smart.” I say “Thank you. It was pretty clever, wasn’t it.” “No it was really dumb.” “Then why didn’t you say so?”
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Good point about the ‘clangers’ probably not being actual insults at the time they were spoken. I was a bit puzzled about why he was so liked, yet said the things that were listed. I think you’re absolutely right that he was just being a bit of a “cheeky bastard” (😁) at the time.

33. p.g.sharrow says:

This is about the Gates Foundation/Fauci ‘s war plan to depopulate and take over control of the world. Their blue print for their present carrying out of their Pandemic war against humanity;

https://mypatriotsnetwork.com/patriot/depopulation-war-games-exposed-by-investigative-researchers/

This is unbelievable how in your face they are about carrying their plans.

34. Power Grab says:

I saw part of a video on Twitter yesterday that, I think, was people speaking Turkish. They were saying that the Evergreen (Ever Given) ship contained some kind of technological weapon that BG was planning to use on his newly-acquired farmland. They said it was blocked in the Suez so the authorities could remove the “weapon”.

I hate finding stuff like that on Twitter. It’s so hard to dig into.

Has anyone else here heard such a thing?

35. E.M.Smith says:

Saw a Dr. Bean / Been video on the vaccination vs variants issue. A KEY POINT left out of the original article and included in a followup (tweet?) was that they didn’t include the data from after the second inoculation was given and that matters.

So the rise in cases of the variant form is ONLY during the period after first dose and until 2 weeks post 2nd dose. After the second dose NO cases of infection with the variant were recorded (i.e. the vaccine was protective against variants after the 2nd dose).

So what they are actually reporting is that 1 dose protects very well against the original strain, and 2 doses protects very well against the original AND variants, but in the window between 2 weeks after first dose (when protection against original strain kicks in) and 2 weeks after the 2nd dose (when it kicks in) folks who got sick had a larger percentage of the Variant (almost all).

So the vaccine DOES protect against the variant (SA Variant IIRC) but only after the 2nd dose + time to have immunity develop (immediate to 2 weeks depending on person).

36. Power Grab says:

Something else I hate – – – having my cell phone stop working or break. I hate it so much that I make it a practice to have a landline, too.

Well, now I have a VOIP landline and a copper-wire landline. I also ordered a Rolodex to keep a hard copy of my contacts in.

Heh-heh. :-)

The last time I had a phone fail me, I happened to have done a backup the night before. So when I had to go to the store and get a replacement, it took next to no time to restore my stuff to the new phone. But I don’t usually operate like that. And, being the heir of my grandmother’s title “Curator of the Family Museum”, I tend to favor non-digital stuff whenever I can manage it.

Digital stuff just FEELS temporary to me. It always has. When you know how easy it is to blow away your precious digital files, it just gets scary. Not only that, but when you have read Orwell’s “1984” and know how easy it is now to blow away the community memories if they’re only held in digital form, well, you just do what you can to maintain non-digital versions (or at least versions that you own and can control).

37. E.M.Smith says:

@Another Ian:

Cloud… tablet… ya Got Me! ;-)

@jim2:

You shall know them by their actions… or “doth protesteth overmuch”…

They either do not realizing that are waving giant red flags saying “DIG HERE WITH A POWER SHOVEL!!!!” or they don’t have any choice in the cover-up…

@PowerGrab:

Sounds like Click Bait to me. The ship was impossible to unload. Containers stacked higher than the highest crane not in a container ship port and “nose to butt” such that you can’t open them at sea.

It would also be far far easier to intercept it on land at the unloading port. Just slot your truck into the line at the right point and drive away with it… “Authorities” can do that.

@P.G.:

Yes. They KNOW they are the richest most powerful and smartest on the planet (facts need not apply) and they KNOW that you can’t do anything about it, so have hubris to great excess. Any remember Bill Clinton saying ~”What? You think we ought to let you keep your money and decide how to spend it?”

We are in a war on Western Values and Republics, but only one side is fighting it at this time. The Globalist Socialist/Fascist Oligarchy. They LOVE “3rd Way Socialism” (AKA Fascism AKA Lang Type Socialism AKA Market Socialism) as it enriches them so and gives them power and control. They hate National Republics as the little people get some say every so often.

38. Power Grab says:

@ p.g.sharrow:

I noticed on that page that they’re raising the question about mad cow disease (BSE, TSE, vCJD) being caused by the disease (or jabs).

I have thought of that myself. Of course, the human form is vCJD.

Things that made me think of that are:

(1) the videos of the COVID-diagnosed women who couldn’t control their body’s movements anymore. The way they moved looked a lot like cattle with the “staggers”, the tell-tale sign of BSE (mad cow disease), and

(2) a photo of a human hypoxic brain alongside a photo of a cow brain with BSE. They looked alike.

(3) Organic dairy farmer Mark Purdey’s research (and his book “Animal Pharm”) that documented that BSE wasn’t a germ-caused disease, but was caused by a perfect storm combination of factors including organophosphate pesticides given twice as often in doses that were twice the normal size, in combination with metal imbalances in the body, and also triggered by an “assault” by some environmental stimulus such as radiation, pollution, excessively loud noises from a military firing range, extremely bright sunlight such as might be experienced at the top of a high mountain on a clear day.

(4) The long swabs that were jabbed deep into people’s sinuses, risking perforation of the cribriform bone. One of the problems Mark mentioned frequently was combinations of things that caused breaching of the blood-brain barrier. IIRC, the overdosing of pesticides made it possible for the metals to get into the brain, which combined with the environmental sensory assaults, led to formation of prions in the brain.

By the by, I saw on Twitter a tweet by a D.O. in New Jersey who had a friend he was trying to help. He raised the question of CJD. Everything else he had dug into didn’t fit, and he was left wondering if anyone had seen a connection with a prion disease such as CJD.

So I’m not the only one who is noticing similarities.

39. E.M.Smith says:

I see no ‘clangers’ in the Prince Philip quotes.

I do see some subtle British Humor in many, and an unwillingness to suffer fools gladly in others (but done in that deliciously formal way of the British Insult…) along with a person occasionally bored at Officiating pointing out the stupidity of a lot of it.

Makes me really like the guy. Stuck in a very nicely furnished Gilded Cage and recognizing it, so occasionally a bit of semi-passive aggressive repartee. I’d do the same. I once “complemented” someone who’d sung a bit too enthusiastically for their skill level with “Very nicely done, and such imaginative note selection!” ;-)

BTW, the French do NOT know how to make a proper breakfast. Best bacon & eggs I’ve ever had was at a hotel near London… Even better than I make. I think it was the cherry tomato & miniature pot of jam along with a very nice butter on the toast, plus the bacon was not overcooked. (Mum, being British, I like my bacon a bit ‘greasy’…) It also was more meat and less fat than American bacon. Then the tea with it was perfect. A “continental breakfast” is a snack with way too much carbs in it and not enough food…

40. E.M.Smith says:

@PowerGrab:

I mourned the passing of KodaChrome. OVER 100 year archival quality. Only thing that’s better is Technicolor where they filmed 3 B&W films through different color filters.

“Modern” color films like Ektachrome are good for maybe 40 to 50 years unless carefully stored cool and dry.

Video Tape lasts maybe 10 to 20 years IF you are lucky, but the format will have expired and you will be unable to buy a new player before that…

SD Cards and USB thumb drives need to be powered up to restore the charge carriers in the cells every year or two or they slowly erase themselves. How many people do that? Store your original digital photos on the SD cards in a box for a few years and they go POOF!

Magnetic Disks (HDD) work better. Until they suddenly die on you. The electrolytic capacitors need to be powered on every so often or they depolarize taking out the electronics. So they too much be powered on every so often. Standard industry practice is to have at LEAST 2 copies of anything on at LEAST 2 different disks and preferably only one of them on the system at a time…

IMHO there is no archival quality digital media. Ink on paper lasts longer and it is fairly crappy… (Sob… I want my Kodachrome….)

41. E.M.Smith says:

It is a protein folding error disease. It is not viral and has nothing to do with a virus.

It is oddly transmissible since one mis-folded protein copy when it encounters a normal copy will cause the good one to mis-fold. Due to variations in that protein between species only SOME species can transmit the problem to others.

In the case of Mad Cow it was because of feeding “Sheep parts” to cows. Sheep get scrapie that is NOT transmissible to humans (near as we can tell) but can transmit to cows, who can transmit to humans. So feeding ground up sheep who had scrapie as dried “additive’ to cattle feed caused Mad Cows that then can transmit the disease to humans. (and cannibals can transmit it human to human…)

There’s a similar disease in Deer and related animals. An unknown number of deer with ‘staggers’ (called CWD or Chronic Wasting Disease in deer and elk) end up on dinner plates of hunters.

New cases of CWD, chronic wasting disease, have been detected in deer in Missouri and Arkansas. This is concerning because CWD is very similar to “mad cow disease.”

During the 1990s, an outbreak of mad cow disease (formally known as bovine spongiform encephalopathy) in the UK sent the world into a panic. The outbreak was responsible for killing more than 200 people worldwide, and 4.5 million cattle were euthanized.
[…]
Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) in Deer, Elk, and Moose

Like mad cow disease, CWD is caused by an infectious agent known as a prion. Prions are normal proteins found in the brain and nervous tissue that go rogue. For proteins to function properly, they need to be folded in very precise ways. Prions are misfolded. Worse, instead of being destroyed and recycled by the cell — the typical fate of misfolded proteins — prions resist degradation and cause other normal prion proteins to misfold. A slow chain reaction occurs in the brain over the course of many years, leading to neurodegenerative disease and death.

Why does the prion protein exist at all? That’s an open question. Prion exists in the brains of all types of animals, including mammals, birds, and reptiles, but its function is not well understood. Mice that don’t have prion have some health problems and act a little strangely, but goats and cattle that are missing prion appear just fine*.

Symptoms of CWD in cervids include postural and behavioral changes, teeth-grinding, tremors, loss of muscle control, and eventually weight loss, a paradoxical outcome given that the animal also shows signs of an increased appetite. The prion that causes CWD is thought to spread through saliva, urine, and feces, and a 2015 paper published in Annual Review of Animal Biosciences shows that the disease has been detected in at least 23 states (after Arkansas is added).
[…]
Is CWD in Deer a Threat to Humans?

So far, there have been no known cases of CWD being transmitted to humans. That doesn’t mean it can’t or hasn’t already happened. The incubation period for these diseases in humans is measured in years or even decades. Furthermore, scientists have successfully infected monkeys using CWD-tainted deer and elk meat. It is indeed quite likely that CWD someday will appear in humans.

Having said that, the likelihood of acquiring CWD is quite low. Consider all the millions of people who potentially were exposed to contaminated beef from the UK. Only about 200 people died, which means that it is not particularly easy for prion disease to spread. Perhaps those who succumb to the disease have a unique genetic susceptibility.

To avoid being one of the unlucky few who may develop CWD one day, there are safety tips to follow. Most importantly, hunters should not consume any cervids that look unhealthy or behave strangely. Additionally,

So no, I’m not going hunting for venison…

Could there be some way the cocktail of stuff in a vaccine causes the right protein to mis-fold? I suppose it is remotely possible, but highly unlikely.

I’d expect that there’s just some similar nerve / brain damage from sever Chinese Wuhan Covid and / or the folks picked up a prion somewhere else.

FWIW, attended a Tech Talk on Prions when Mad Cow was first running around. Given by an M.D. / Ph.D. from Stanford IIRC. Very interesting stuff. An infection from an infectious agent that isn’t alive and so can’t be killed…

42. jim2 says:

Crooked Raffensperger Got to Him – Georgia Judge Now Reportedly Preventing Access to Actual Ballots in Upcoming Audit

The people in Georgia need to stand up and demand a valid forensic audit of Fulton County’s 2020 Election results!
Where are the grassroots patriots like in Arizona we will stand up and demand the state perform a valid forensic audit of results from the 2020 Election in Fulton County?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/crooked-raffensperger-got-georgia-judge-now-reportedly-preventing-access-actual-ballots-upcoming-audit/

43. Power Grab says:

@ EM re electric stuff needing to be used periodically…

I have a Toastmaster System III toaster oven (like a toaster oven on steroids) that I received as a Christmas gift in 1976 because I asked for it…because the oven in the house I was renting wasn’t working when I first moved in.

Over the years I have used it off and on. There was one time when I pulled it out of storage and wanted to use it, but turning the knob didn’t make it come on. I just kept turning it on and off, over and over, until it finally got the idea and came on.

That made me think that electronics that are left unused for a long time eventually won’t work when you want them to.

I always wondered what made it not work…then eventually work. Could there have been corrosion that I eventually rubbed off by turning the knob a lot?

44. Jim Masterson says:

@PG
>>
Could there have been corrosion that I eventually rubbed off by turning the knob a lot?
<<

Switch contacts oxidize over time–especially if you don't use them much. If the switch unit isn't hermetically sealed, then there's a contact cleaner you can spray in it to clean the contacts. I never liked the commercial contact cleaners, because they contain grit to help clean the contacts. This would sometimes lead to intermittent results. For more delicate items like potentiometers, I preferred a spray-on carburetor cleaner–believe it or not. It got rid of the greasy, carbon buildup that make potentiometers noisy.

Jim

45. another ian says:

“The people who told them Trump “colluded with Russia” — are telling them the election wasn’t stolen.

The people who told them Trump said neo-Nazis were “fine people” — are telling them the election wasn’t stolen.

The people who told them Trump advised to “drink bleach” — are telling them the election wasn’t stolen.

If you want them to believe the election wasn’t stolen, you’ll need to find new people.”

“CNN knows what it is doing with this stuff. It’s not a blunder. It’s not poor journalism. It’s the new journalism. Their role is not to report facts, it’s to report their expert determination of the correct opinion.”

46. philjourdan says:

@jim2 & JM

I am a lousy speller. But what I have noticed is that journalists (and urinalists) are worse! I see those kind of typos all over the place! And it does irk me in a NEWS report.

But the absolute worst spellers, bar none, are Lawyers! I am married to a paralegal and have to spell check her every correspondence! It is small wonder why they stuck to Wordperfect (I still do) until the bitter end! It had 3rd party spell checkers and grammar checkers long before Microsoft got a clue.

When I see a misspelling on Chiefio, I usually byte my tongue. I tell myself that the reason I wrote my first word processor (on a Honeywell mainframe) was because of my lousy spelling! Then came PCs and Wordperfect and I was saved!!!!! I still use it. It still beats Word all to hell!

47. jim2 says:

Holy Crap!!!

In the previous video, Chester admitted that his network used “propaganda” to help defeat President Donald Trump in the 2020 election. The latest video released by Project Veritas explains how they’re doing the exact same thing right now with Matt Gaetz.

“If the agenda, say, is to like get, like Matt Gaetz right now—he’s like this Republican. He’s a problem for the Democratic Party because he’s so conservative and he can cause a lot of hiccups in the passing of laws and whatnot,” Chester says in the undercover video. “So, it would be great for the Democratic Party to get him out. So we’re [CNN] going to keep running those stories to keep hurting him. and make it so that it can’t be buried, and like just settled outside of court and just like, you know, if we keep pushing that, it’s helping us [CNN].”

48. philjourdan says:

@Taz – Re: Woke companies

Buy stock and then sue them for fiduciary malfeasance (it is actually a law – when a public corporation betrays the stockholder interests, they are guilty of fiduciary malfeasance). But you have to have a leg in the game. Hence why you have to own stock. But pissing off 62% of the population is strong evidence.

49. philjourdan says:

@Another Ian – Re: Prince Phillip and his quotes

Noblesse oblige.

Besides, I am not part of today’s cancel culture! I appreciate humor. Don Rickles, Rich LIttle. and Prince Phillip. God rest his soul.

50. philjourdan says:

@EM – French and Breakfast.

Damn straight! The English are not known for their cuisine, but their breakfast beats the French all to hell!

51. Jim Masterson says:

@jim2 & Phil
Yup, you are absolutely right, Phil. I should have kept my big mouth (keyboard) shut. My bad and I’m sorry.

Jim

52. Jim Masterson says:

@EM & Phil

Sorry guys, but raw bacon is not my thing. And I was born in England.

Jim

53. philjourdan says:

@Jim M- who said to keep your yap shut? We were just voicing opinions! Nothing wrong with yours!

54. jim2 says:

Jim M. No problem here.

55. jim2 says:

And finally, some good news …

Texas Bill Will Label Parents Getting Sex Change Hormones and Surgeries for Their Children as Child Abuse

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/texas-bill-will-label-parents-getting-sex-change-hormones-surgeries-children-child-abuse/

56. E.M.Smith says:

@Jim Masterson:

I saw nothing wrong and nothing to be “sorry” about. Personally, I like a little give-and-take. (especially when devoid of insults and with both give and take… which is what I think you do.)

@Power Grab:

Different parts degrade in different ways. Mechanical power gear, like glowing wire ovens and light switches, tend to contact oxidation and increasing resistance. Electrolytic capacitors tend to depolarize and have the insulating layer dissolve (on gradual application of power this can reform, on the usual surge of full power it can short and destroy the capacitor). Semiconductors can have migration of dopant (though this is highest when HOT thus running your CPU at 100 C shortens life dramatically). Etc. etc.

Basically all things degrade over time, and the fancy tricks and techniques used to make electronic devices degrade much much faster than silver granules embedded in gelatin on acetate film…

The dyes used in Kodachrome are especially stable, while those in “newer” and easier chemically processes like Ektachrome (and almost all others are of that sort) are not so stable. Then Technicolor did a color separation in the camera and recorded 3 color tracks on B&W silver film. That is why old Technicolor films are as glorious as ever, while old “other process” color films tend to look yellow / tan (as the blues fade first, then greens in those dye systems…).

Chemistry, it’s a thing for archival media…

BTW, best is ceramics. (Metals corrode or get melted down as precious metal scrap). I’ve had the thought that it would be a Very Good Thing to make a printer to print text on clay tablets in indelible minerals and then fire them. Then record encyclopedias of technical and scientific understanding on said tiles, fire them, and bury them somewhere likely to be discovered in 10,000 years…. Would need a pretty good “Key” and “Rosetta Stone” lead in section to teach the language used though…

One of those things I’d do IF I were gifted a “living wage” for the duration…

It ought not be that hard. Set up a standard tile making / decorating line, but change the marking station to a big print head that can do type faces in some indelible mineral suited for use under glaze. Then the computer just has to be told what to print on all those tiles. I’d likely make a batch of 100 or so of every page and distribute them to 100 different sites around the non-glaciated globe.

If really willing to go all the way with funding, I’d make a “movable type” system and imprint the characters into the clay with physical depth, then color and glaze. Even if all the glaze and color got worn off / leached away, the impression would remain.

I’d start with math and physics, mechanics and basic machines, then move on to engineering, engines, chemistry, metallurgy, electricity and electronics, aviation, then advance machinery and robotics. Basically start at about 2000 BC tech and work your way up through the levels to rockets and computers. A “how to restart / jump start civilization” handbook. (No, I’d not include a damn thing about politics, politicians, the history of political folly, etc. etc. even poetry until such time as the Tech Handbook was done. THEN I think I’d start with classical music… and ancient history.)

Aw well. Nobody handing out $Million to me so just another idea that will go nowhere. 57. E.M.Smith says: Minnesota riots continue, city manager fired for saying “officer ought to have due process” in shooting. Man am I glad I didn’t move to Minneapolis to work for Cray Supercomputers back in the ’90s… Cray now basically toast and the city a basket case of Woke Stupids. 58. E.M.Smith says: @Jim Masterson: BTW, it isn’t “raw” bacon. That’s horrid. It is cooked but not rendered bacon. A hard state to hit, but really nice. Perfect is partly rendered. Bacon first de-waters. On high the bacon starts to steam as the water is driven out. It is cooked when steaming, then you drop it to medium as it dries and temperature rises to start rendering. At that point you flip it over, slightly brown the other side, and take it out of the pan for really nice English Bacon. Mallard Reaction for flavor, but not fully rendered. For American Bacon, you continue to let it render out the fat until the fatty portion is “cracklings”; but too many folks let it go at too hot until the meat portion is fully dehydrated, hard, and the fat portion is browning to a burnt flavor. Either “raw” or “burnt” is a fault. Between the two is English browned not rendered and American Cracklings not burnt. 59. H.R. says: @E.M. – Yup. American bacon needs to be cooked low-ish & slow. You sneak up on the doneness you want. You can have crispy bacon or burnt-to-a-crisp bacon if you get the heat too high. Question: Is Canadian bacon pretty much the same as English bacon? I can’t ever recall seeing English bacon available around my neck of the woods. 60. E.M.Smith says: My experience with English bacon was that it was cut like American bacon, but the pigs were less fatty so more meat and less lard. Canadian Bacon is really a smoked pork cut… It took me decades to realize that the best way to do bacon was to start hot (dehydrating) and then rack down the burner heat as the bacon cooks more, ending on medium-low. In an electric skillet you could just set a temperature. In a pan on a burner, temperature is divergent from heating rate. HIGH setting at first drives off the water (that is holding the temperature lower due to heat of vaporization) but as it dries you must drop the heating rate by cutting the burner back to medium or medium low as the rendering ends… Not the way almost all people cook bacon that is “one burner setting and hope to get it out on time”. 61. another ian says: Looks like this needs “scrutenising with a very intense scrut” – and if it is right no way in hell https://www.deconstructingconventional.com/post/18-reason-i-won-t-be-getting-a-covid-vaccine 62. jim2 says: RE: 18 reasons not to get COVID vaccination. Lack of liability and the lack of long-term testing are concerning. Most of the other reasons are historical or not well documented. Current data show that the over-65 group’s proportion of hospitalizations is way down, close to a third of total cases now whereas in the past was the vast majority of cases. I take that as evidence the vaccine works. I have heard of people getting COVID after two shots of the mRNA vaccines, but it’s milder, so that’s a plus. I haven’t heard of anyone dying from COVID after two courses. Overall, I’m feeling good about getting the shots. https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/COVIDNet/COVID19_5.html#virusTypeDiv 63. H.R. says: @E.M.: Thanks for the explanation re English vs. Canadian bacon. I think I’m naturally cooking – controlling the heat – the way you described, but I’m still using a single heat setting. When I cook bacon, I cook up the whole package. I have my heat set on medium low, and if anything, favoring the low side a bit. I am also doing this using a very, very large frying pan. I’m cooking about 6 or 7 strips at a time, I suppose. When the pan is up to temperature, the bacon in the middle is over the flame and cooking at the higher temperature. But as the bacon cooks, I start moving the strips to the outer portion of the pan to finish up slowly; what I described above as ‘sneaking up’ on perfect doneness. So the strips in the pan are always at different stages of cooking. As the ones to the outside finish cooking and are removed, I add a couple of strips in the center to go through their journey from the center to the edge. I’m constantly moving the bacon from center to edge. and I turn each strip a few times on its journey through the heat zones. As for the heat setting, all I can say is it low enough that the bacon spatter doesn’t pop very high out of the pan. To do all that rearranging, I cook bacon using a regular table fork and I’ve never had burns on my hand from grease spatter. The couple of fresh strips that I start in the center do pop a bit when I introduce them to the middle, but then settle down fairly quickly. I never paid much attention to the heat/rendering reaction. I just developed the method over time because it produces perfect bacon. My “low & slow” comment – what I thought I was doing – is actually moving the strips through about 3 different temperatures. I just did it because I was paying attention to how the bacon was cooking and not because I was thinking about the cooking stages and the heat input. BTW, I usually only cook up bacon in the summer when the tomatoes are in; homegrown and vine ripe. We do like our BLTs. The first of the bacon goes into sandwiches now. The rest gets laid in layers between paper towels, about 5 or six strip on a layer. When you want another BLT, take out a layer and crisp the bacon right back up in the microwave for about 10 seconds or so. Doing the whole package makes cooing bacon more of a one-time chore, then you have good, crispy bacon at hand for a while without having to fire up the frying pan every time. 64. jim2 says: RE bacon. I ran across a web page showing how to freeze back bacon. You roll each slice and place it upright in a baking dish or cookie sheet. Put it in the freezer. Once frozen, move them to a container. They will no longer stick together because they are already frozen. I take however many I want and gently microwave them until they can be unrolled. Then fry up per usual. 65. H.R. says: Oh… and I just realized, you said you cook the bacon in an electric skillet, which has more even heating over the whole bottom of the pan AND hold more strips of bacon since it is square. So you’d have to twist the temperature knob a bit compared to my round skillet which has a temperature gradient from center to edge and holds fewer strips of bacon. 66. rhoda klapp says: OK, bacon. What we have in the UK is two kinds of bacon. Streaky, which is I guess belly pork just like US bacon, and back bacon, which is a meatier piece from, obviously, the back of the pig. I don’t know what you do with that part in the US, maybe make chops out of it. When I lived in TX we only saw it in Bacon week at Central Market in Dallas. Some was labelled Irish style, and I think it came from Chicago where food culture is more oriented to european immigrants, maybe. Anyhow, back is preferred in the UK and is more expensive than streaky. Both kinds are generally cut a little thicker. Even in the US there is no need to fry bacon until it is stiff as an old-fashioned brake shoe. I got quite used to the US kind eventually after I’d found that brands I preferred. Canadian bacon is a mystery to me. 67. Ossqss says: 68. jim2 says: Finally, someone comes forward and has balz! Michigan attorney Matthew DePerno said he’s facing threats and obstruction by authorities over his lawsuit detailing evidence of fraud and meddling in last year’s elections. “This is the state’s top law enforcement officer who comes forward and threatens legislators that if they do their job and act on behalf of their constituents that she will charge them criminally,” he explained. “”They’re scared of that, so they have no courage.” Among the defendants in his lawsuit, DePerno named Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson who is backed by George Soros and was allegedly involved in the cover-up of election fraud. The attorney also noted, Democrat officials destroyed some of the election data in violation of federal law. “And the issue really primarily related to the idea that Sheryl Guy, the clerk in Antrim County, had deleted information off of the Antrim County system on November 4th at 11:03 p.m.,” he explained. “So a lot of the data that we had been looking for in this case was deleted by by her…we felt that substantial detriment to our case.” https://www.oann.com/mich-attorney-deperno-says-democrats-are-threatening-obstructing-election-fraud-lawsuit/ 69. E.M.Smith says: @Ossqss: Ah, memories ;-) @Jim2: I think I might try that on streaky bacon… @Rhoda: Answer below about cuts… Short form: Canadian “style” bacon is round cut fat removed back bacon and in the USA we sell Pork Chops from that part of the pig and “Canadian Style” bacon from the same loin part. @H.R.: I cook bacon in any pan type. Sometimes the electric skillet (so my statement about different technique where you let it control the temperature) but mostly a giant Cast Iron Skillet of about a foot diameter or maybe 14 inches? Long enough whole strips lay flat and straight. For the big Cast Iron, I start it on high so the whole burner is heating the whole pan. That much cast iron takes a bit of time so the heat is fairly even. I also put a good layer of saved bacon grease in the pan (enough that it can circulate) and that also evens out the heating. Then I’m controlling the temperature in the pan via consistently turning down the heating from the burner setting. During the de-watering stage, LOTS of heat is removed as water vapor, so heat is one step down from full on. As the water vapor reduces, the pan will start to get too hot, so I’ll turn it down to the medium setting for the rendering stage. As the rendering reaches “just about right” the pan will also start to overheat as no energy is going into rendering, so for “crisp well done” (for those who like that sort of thing…) I’ll turn it down to what I think you are calling “low and slow”. Just a step or two below medium to finish the rendering without blackening and hardening the meat portion. Those final stages are made even in heat by the added bacon grease + rendered fat from the new batch. Just a different way to reach the same overall process that you use. Hot to start, cooler in the end. @Another Ian: Scruting as I type… I found the “intro” to already be of interest: I am more than happy to correspond with you if… 1 You are respectful and treat me the way you would want to be treated. 2 You ask genuinely thoughtful questions about what makes sense to you. 3 You make your points using sound logic and don’t hide behind links or the word “science.” In other words, make a kind, level-headed argument (links welcome), but don’t just post a link and say “read the science.” That’s intellectually lazy. It is violation of that set (and especially “insults to the person” violation of #1) that characterizes Trolls (and especially Lefty Loony sorts) and specifically how Serioso got himself bounced. Interesting that the author has noticed the same patterns… @Rhoda: Ah, I think what I was describing as “more meat less fat” is Back Bacon. Not sure what is done with that here either. I’ll have to look it up. We just use “pork bellies” for bacon and it ends up very fatty. We also historically way overfed the pigs on fat producing grains, though some producers have started shifting to a lower fat pig. (Even the pig genetics was biased toward fat pigs as lard was a prized product 100 years ago… and now some lower lard pig breeds are being advanced). Hmmm… Reviewing here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_bacon it looks like what I had was not back bacon but just lean belly bacon… Back bacon Not to be confused with Fatback. “Canadian bacon” redirects here. For other uses, see Canadian bacon (disambiguation). Back bacon is a cut of bacon that includes the pork loin from the back of the pig. It may also include a portion of the pork belly in the same cut. It is much leaner than side bacon made only from the pork belly. Back bacon is derived from the same cut used for pork chops. It is the most common cut of bacon used in British and Irish cuisine, where both smoked and unsmoked varieties of bacon are found. In the USA that will be sold as pork chops. Now I’m also wondering what in the heck is “side bacon”… It also seems that what an American calls “Canadian Bacon” isn’t quite what everyone else is eating… “Canadian bacon” “Canadian bacon” or “Canadian-style bacon” is the term commonly used in the United States for a form of back bacon that is cured, smoked and fully cooked, trimmed into cylindrical medallions, and thickly sliced. The name was created when this product was first imported from Toronto to New York City. “Canadian” bacon is made only from the lean eye of the loin and is ready to eat. Its flavor is described as more ham-like than other types because of its lean cut. The term “Canadian bacon” is not used in Canada, where the product is generally known simply as “back bacon” while “bacon” alone refers to the same streaky pork belly bacon as in the United States. Peameal bacon is a variety of back bacon popular in southern Ontario where the loin is wet cured before being rolled in cornmeal (originally yellow pea meal); it is unsmoked. So American “Canadian Bacon” is cured, smoked, cooked, and a cylinder cut without fat. Actual Canadian bacon can be English back bacon or American style “streaky pork belly” cured. OK… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacon Goes further into the distinctions… and makes it look like “side bacon” is nearly the same as “streaky belly” bacon… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacon Bacon is distinguished from other salt-cured pork by differences in the cuts of meat used and in the brine or dry packing. Historically, the terms “ham” and “bacon” referred to different cuts of meat that were brined or packed identically, often together in the same barrel. Today, ham is defined as coming from the hind portion of the pig and brine specifically for curing ham includes a greater amount of sugar, while bacon is less sweet, though ingredients such as brown sugar or maple syrup are used for flavour. Bacon is similar to salt pork, which in modern times is often prepared from similar cuts, but salt pork is never smoked, and has a much higher salt content So mostly “bacon” is smoked low sugar salted pork while “ham” is legs with more sugar in the brine. Cuts Varieties differ depending on the primal cut from which they are prepared. Different cuts of pork are used for making bacon depending on local preferences. Side bacon, or streaky bacon, comes from the pork belly. It has long alternating layers of fat and muscle running parallel to the rind. This is the most common form of bacon in the United States. Pancetta is an Italian form of side bacon, sold smoked or unsmoked (aqua). It is generally rolled up into cylinders after curing, and is known for having a strong flavour. Back bacon contains meat from the loin in the middle of the back of the pig. It is a leaner cut, with less fat compared to side bacon. Most bacon consumed in the United Kingdom and Ireland is back bacon. Collar bacon is taken from the back of a pig near the head. Cottage bacon is made from the lean meat from a boneless pork shoulder that is typically tied into an oval shape. Jowl bacon is cured and smoked cheeks of pork. Guanciale is an Italian jowl bacon that is seasoned and dry cured but not smoked. The inclusion of skin with a cut of bacon, known as the ‘bacon rind’, varies, though is less common in the English-speaking world. So, OK, “side bacon” and “streaky bacon” and “pork belly bacon” are all the same thing, and the Italians make a particular style called Pancetta (now I know why I like pancetta so much ;-) But now I don’t know if I’m missing out on something having never had Jowl Bacon or Cottage Bacon or Collar Bacon, and maybe not even Back Bacon! So MUCH bacon, so little time! I need to get on this… ;-0 But wait, there’s more! “Middle Bacon” down under… Australia and New Zealand The most common form sold is middle bacon, which includes some of the streaky, fatty section of side bacon along with a portion of the loin of back bacon. In response to increasing consumer diet-consciousness, some supermarkets also offer the loin section only. This is sold as short cut bacon and is usually priced slightly higher than middle bacon. Both varieties are usually available with the rind removed. No wonder I really like the bacon and eggs in Australia / New Zealand… Then of course the Mother Tongue Home has more kinds and words than we in the bastard mix colony… United Kingdom and Ireland Back bacon is the most common form in the UK and Ireland, and is the usual meaning of the plain term “bacon”. A thin slice of bacon is known as a rasher; about 70% of bacon is sold as rashers. Heavily trimmed back cuts which consist of just the eye of meat, known as a medallion, are also available. All types may be unsmoked or smoked. The side cut normal in America is known as “streaky bacon”, and there is also a long cut, curving round on itself, known as “middle bacon”, which is back bacon at one end, and streaky at the other, as well as less common cuts. Bacon is also sold and served as joints, usually boiled, broiled or roast, or in thicker slices called chops or steaks. These are usually eaten as part of other meals. Bacon may be cured in several ways, and may be smoked or unsmoked; unsmoked bacon is known as “green bacon”. Fried or grilled bacon rashers are included in the “traditional” full breakfast. Hot bacon sandwiches are a popular cafe dish in the UK and Ireland, and are anecdotally recommended as a hangover cure. OK, as I remember it, my “rasher”of English bacon sounds like that “middle bacon”. I remember it as being “with fat” at one end but meatier at the other and overall more meat than fat (but not ‘nearly no fat’ as in “Canadian Style” or what I suppose would be the case in Back Bacon from the photos. I do remember my Mum calling our bacon “streaky bacon” when I was very young, but eventually just called it “bacon” as she Americanized… Skipping the section on American bacon and all our zillion possible flavorings and spices and our historical consumption pattern of “bacon in everything”… ;-) Macon Macon is another alternative to bacon, produced by curing cuts of mutton in a manner similar to the production of pork bacon. Historically produced in Scotland, it was introduced across Britain during World War II as a consequence of rationing. It is today available as an alternative to bacon, produced for the Muslim market and sold at halal butchers; it is largely similar in appearance to pork bacon except for the darker colour. OK, now I do have to find a Halal butcher… Macon. Gotta get me some Macon… I can’t think of anything more likely to drive me to distraction that bacon made of mutton… Just thinking about it has me starting to drool and quiver… (reminding me of my dogs and ‘special treats’…) 70. E.M.Smith says: @Another Ian: Scrut completed. I agree with everything he said. Much of it I’ve pointed to, here, over the year+ of following this. A few bits were news to me (like the fact Faucci owns Moderna patents… a serious concern given he is important to approving their experiment on the rest of us along with his funding of Gain Of Function research in Wuhan China after it was banned here… and done on Corona viruses…) My reasons for not getting vaccinated are much like his, including that I may have already had a very mild case of it (moderated by the preventative regimen Vit-D, C & E, minerals zinc & selenium, and Tonic Water / quinine; then nuked in a day with Ivermectin once it manifested as a cold). @Jim2: My MAJOR concern with the vaccines is that we have never, ever ever succeeded with Corona Vaccines, BUT we have many times created ADE and death in the attempt. This will only show up MONTHS after being vaccinated AND then exposed to the virus again. Can you say “waves” and “worse variant”? Hmmm….. My Secondary concern is the vaccine-during-pandemic process of turning most of the population into walking “gain of function incubators” selecting for ever more transmissible and damaging variations. Can you say “UK Strain” and “South Africa Strain”? Then in third and lower place you get things like MY tendency to a bit of auto-immunity (arthritis) and MY tendency to overactive immune system ( I toss of lots of things fast, have allergies to all sorts of non-threatening things my immune system decided to attack, and have frequently had 104 F to 106 F fevers during “flu” and related illnesses over my life). These, IMHO, make me a prime candidate for a major Cytokine Storm issue AND for a high probability of over reaction side effects to the vaccine. Then there’s all that “Bum’s Rush” censorship (who, globally gains from that? Eh? Not me. Not you. WHY do the Globalist Cabal who want us dead want to “save us” with massive experimental drug injections? Eh? Something fishy this way swims…) and “mask mandates” and “lockdowns yet you can riot in the streets”… And that minor little process of shipping infectious patients into nursing care facilities filled with the most vulnerable. The whole process looks like deliberate act of violence toward Regular Folks, so why would the vaccines not be part of that overall guided and deliberate managed event? Eh? So no, I’m NOT feeling better about the vaccines. I’m a tiny bit more hopeful that they do seem to work somewhat in the short term. (69%-85% or so) They also seem to give a milder case of the disease when the vaccinated do get it now, while the antibody levels are high. BUT, none of that says that in any way they have avoided ADE Antibody Dependent Enhancement. We won’t (and cannot) know that for many months to a year+ after the first vaccination cohort is studied and reported. Near as I can tell, nobody is studying or reporting on them any more… Now The Spouse has the hots to get vaccinated. I’m not shoving my biases at her. “Her body, her choice”. I am pointing at what is known with a “you decide” wrapper and I am saying why I’m not going to be vaccinated. She still wanted the J&J vaccine (lower risk of side-effects… until the report / hold this week…) but now has put that on hold due to the blood clots reports. (Prior history of a blood clot…) So now we’re both staying out of the pool pending a resolution of that. Then I really really don’t see any good reason to vaccinate anyone under about 30. Nearly nobody gets anything requiring hospitalization and those that do are almost all clearly co-morbid in significant ways (so vaccinate those with known co-morbidity issues and let the rest “share the bug and be done” in school and at work…) Send the old folks and infirm home for a month, have everyone else kiss each other, and be done. This lack of risk is KNOWN to Faucci and Friends of Pharma… yet we have a big push to vaccinate with an experimental drug, folks who do not need it, get little to no benefit from it, and take on a BIG risk of injury and death from it. Seem fishy? Trust is gone. Verifiable data is missing. 71. E.M.Smith says: Looting, Riots, Fires and store Looting return across the USA in Biden “peaceful protests” … Gee…. Isn’t it wonderful how electing Biden got us back to “normal”? /snark; Portland on fire again too… Ought to be an interesting week end… https://odysee.com/@TimcastNews:0/blm-rioters-dox-minnesota-police-officer:d 72. E.M.Smith says: @Taz: That’s a really great article! Thanks! A very nice summary of the alternatives to the Corporate Control Internet. I think there’s a couple more things I ought to put in my ‘spin’ to support some of the alternatives… ;-) 73. Jim Masterson says: In reference to bacon; when they serve bacon with large sections of un-rendered fat–I call that raw. I won’t order things with bacon unless I know it’s been properly cooked (that’s just about everything that comes with bacon). And, yes, there’s a difference between properly cooked bacon and burnt to a crisp. Still, I’d eat the burnt stuff and not the raw stuff. Some of those pictures of an English full breakfast show a pile of partially cooked bacon–not my style. And neither are bangers (I prefer patties). However, on a British detective show, one character was eating a banger with quite a crunching sound. I might like that. Jim 74. jim2 says: EMS – I haven’t been able to find any reports of ADE for the mRNA vaccinations. I did find this from 12/2020: The mechanism of ADE was not completely explained at this time, but with the knowledge of ADE’s existence, scientists were better equipped to determine ADE related antigen, modifying lead molecules as necessary in order to make these more effective and safer. There have been no instances of ADE reported during the COVID-19 vaccine’s pre-clinical/clinical development, but further ADE related research should be undertaken in order to avoid potential side effects. If anyone has any solid data indicating ADE is a problem here, I would like to see it. 75. cdquarles says: ADE is known to happen with some infections, whether solely natural or those where vaccines are involved. People have been working on the mechanisms involved at the cell level for several decades now, for natural infections, for immune response, for immune regulation, and how pathogens can interfere with them or use them to enhance their own survival. These 6 clotting incidents may be a form of pathological enhancement without active pathogens present, or may be ADE, or both. If the 6 get detailed enough autopsies, we may get some useful information here. That said, I think there isn’t solid data yet for ADE in this situation, yet. 76. another ian says: E.M. Thanks for the “scrut”. This about sums it up IMO 77. YMMV says: Is it a coincidence that AstraZeneca and J&J Covid vaccines both have clotting problems and both of them are based on a non-human adenovirus? Their reasoning was that this adenovirus was not harmful to humans. My reasoning is that it is a virus, viruses are scary and can be unpredictable, so not a good idea. CanSino and Sputnik are based on a different adenovirus. We can wait and see if there are clotting reports from those. Another Chinese vaccine uses deactivated Covid virus. You would think that would be the most effective, but far from it. Interesting. 78. jim2 says: Well, this is interesting. Can one have an ADE response after been exposed to a corona virus at large (not COVID-19). One of the most perplexing questions regarding the current COVID-19 coronavirus epidemic is the discrepancy between the severity of cases observed in the Hubei province of China and those occurring elsewhere in the world. One possible answer is antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) of SARS-CoV-2 due to prior exposure to other coronaviruses. ADE modulates the immune response and can elicit sustained inflammation, lymphopenia, and/or cytokine storm, one or all of which have been documented in severe cases and deaths. ADE also requires prior exposure to similar antigenic epitopes, presumably circulating in local viruses, making it a possible explanation for the observed geographic limitation of severe cases and deaths. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32092539/ 79. jim2 says: Despite the early signs that predicted there will be no ADE in the current corona disease, the concern of the phenomenon always looms over new vaccine development, and the new COVID-19 vaccines are no exception. Therefore, during the development of the current vaccine, tests were performed and trials were conducted in order to test for the possibility of an antibody-dependent enhancement. This possibility was the subject of a lively academic debate and numerous articles, such as articles published in PNAS in April, in Science in May and extensive literature reviews in Nature in July and September. The subject was tested over and over again during the pre-clinical and clinical phases of the vaccine development process. Moreover, In March 2020 a large scientific committee gathered, including by experts from all over the world and led by the CEPI (Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovation), that examined the subject of COVID-19 vaccine safety specifically with regards to ADE. In experiments performed on mice, rats and monkeys that were given the inactivated virus, there were no signs of ADE, despite the fact that an inactivated vaccine should pose greater risk for ADE as these vaccine lead to production of antibodies against many proteins of the virus, and not just against the spike protein such as the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. Therefore, it should offer a greater opportunity to manufacture a wide range of non-neutralizing antibodies. https://davidson.weizmann.ac.il/en/online/reasonabledoubt/ade-and-corona-vaccines 80. David Anderson says: Jim2 yet this caution was offered “However, risk of vaccine-enhanced disease over time, potentially associated with waning immunity, remains unknown and needs to be evaluated further in ongoing clinical trials and in observational studies that could be conducted following authorization and/or licensure.” The science is still realitively new. It appears to be quite a risk to vaccinate the world. There are many other concerns as well. 81. E.M.Smith says: @Jim Masterson: You may call un-rendered cooked bacon “raw”, but it isn’t. That’s just being of un-tidy mind. Just like a steak with a margin of tasty fried fat and nice browning is in fact cooked, even though not rendered out, bacon that has been lightly browned and heated through, but not rendered out, is in fact fully cooked and safe to eat. This matters a great deal to Restaurant Brats like me, where we had to assure food had reached cooked temperatures in order to serve it. We could be shut down for serving actually raw bacon, but cooked un-rendered bacon is fully cooked and safe and legal (and really great on a sore throat… Mum used “greasy bacon” as a remedy for that and I think the agents in the smoked part plus the fats and salts did tend to kill off bacteria in the throat…) So given that necessity, I’ll continue to use “raw” only for not cooked. The proper term for your preference is “under cooked for my preference”. @Jim2: Yes, they said they did all they could in a hurry and without any real long term testing… and that’s sort of my point. ADE has onset AFTER the antibody level drops to very low but not zero. That can take a VERY long time. Oh, and mice are not humans… Yes, there is valid speculation that exposure to SARS-I caused ADE for SARS-2 exposures. That’s also part of the concern with SARS-2 overall (2nd exposure could be worse…) and SARS-2 vaccines. OTOH, those folks who kill off the virus with the innate immune system and do not make a load of anti-bodies are unlikely to be so sensitized. That’s a major part of why I’ve been so focused on things that increase innate immunity (Vit C, D, E; Minerals Zinc, Selenium) and things that enhance the treatment / ending of an infection fast (Quercetin, HCQ, Ivermectin, Quinine) prior to antibody generation. 82. jim2 says: I was looking for any reports of ADE suspected to be a result of the vaccine. So far, nothing. The clinical trial participants have to be followed for 2 years, so I assume we would hear about it if ADE happens. 83. jim2 says: A 3/16/21 article: So far, there have been no reports of ADE with COVID-19 vaccines. But the concerns about ADE with COVID-19 vaccines have resurfaced with the emergency of virus variants. What exactly is ADE? What do we know from past experience with it? And why do experts say it’s a non-issue with COVID-19 vaccines? https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/91648 84. E.M.Smith says: @Jim2: We will not and can not know if ADE will be a problem until enough people who have been vaccinated have had enough time for their antibody levels to drop to very low levels AND they have been re-exposed to Covid. That can be up to 2 years from now. There may be no evidence until there is suddenly a million people dying. That is all we can know at this time. There will be lots of hopeful statements of the form “This time for sure!” and “So far so good!” and they are meaningless. As more time passes without a bolus of more and worse cases, the odds are better by some small amount, but not enough to draw a conclusion until about next September at the earliest, 2 years max, IMHO. I.e. about 1 year after first vaccination trials, but it could take 1.5 years, or 2… OTOH, we have cases of folks having sever reactions to the vaccine that look semi ADE like. Thrombocytopenia for instance. Killing off white blood cells and platelet interactions. Not a good sign as that’s very like the mechanism for ADE. Then there’s all the folks having a “worse case” with a variant. How many had asymptomatic early cases of a non-variant? Nobody knows. So you have anecdotes going both ways. That again means we know nearly nothing. I appreciate your quest for more and better information, but what it requires is TIME from first exposure to 2nd exposure. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/fda-authorizes-1st-covid-19-vaccine-united-states/story FDA authorizes 1st COVID-19 vaccine in United States The vaccine was developed by Pfizer and BioNTech. ByAnne Flaherty,Sony Salzman, andEric M. Strauss December 12, 2020, 3:28 AM We’re now 4 months in to a 1 to 2 year timer… https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/13/10/07-0576_article Volume 13, Number 10—October 2007 Dispatch Duration of Antibody Responses after Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome […] Abstract Among 176 patients who had had severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), SARS-specific antibodies were maintained for an average of 2 years, and significant reduction of immunoglobulin G–positive percentage and titers occurred in the third year. Thus, SARS patients might be susceptible to reinfection >3 years after initial exposure. Most likely we’ll really find out in December of 2022. Not before. Anybody who says they know NOW is making it up without evidence of low antibody levels post vaccination (which is when ADE happens as high titres break up the virus before it can do damage). It really is the case that all the vaccinations are a giant lab experiment and we are all either the guinea pigs or the controls. The experiment has another 1.5 to 2.5 years to run, then we’ll know. There is a small (very small IMHO) chance that we’ll start seeing some issues about next September as folks at that tail of the distribution drop to low antibody levels. 85. another ian says: “JoeBama’s Afghanistan Plan is to Follow The Afghanistan Withdrawal Plan of President Trump, But Not Give Him Credit : https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2021/04/14/joebamas-afghanistan-plan-is-to-follow-the-afghanistan-withdrawal-plan-of-president-trump-but-not-give-him-credit/ A better headline on that “Biden obeys Trump” https://catallaxyfiles.com/2021/04/15/biden-obeys-trump/ 86. another ian says: Have a look at this series – “Life without petroleum” – speeded up for the woke attention span of no more than 140 characters. An example 87. YMMV says: Excellent video here. I can’t easily say what it is about (Covid related stuff) because it covers so many aspects. Non-technical, just a very good conversation. Did you know that Covid is racist and ageist? Long. Watch it before YT takes it down. 88. another ian says: “The Virus: Vaccines Aren’t Forever” https://wentworthreport.com/the-virus-vaccines-arent-forever/ 89. David A says: https://greatreject.org/laboratories-cant-find-covid-19-in-positive-tests/ I would appreciate anyone’s opinion on this claim. The article claims that in laboratory tests of 1500 people who tested positive for the Wuflu, the only virus found was Influenza A and B. It is such a strong claim it must be vetted. 90. jim2 says: Major Companies Join Several Fake News Outlets to Condemn Voter ID Laws in Full Page WaPo/NYT Ad — Because IDs Are Racist Only When Voting https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/major-companies-join-several-fake-news-outlets-condemn-voter-laws-full-page-wapo-nyt-ad-ids-racist-voting/ 91. jim2 says: The Location of the 2020 Election Audit of Maricopa County’s Results Is Now Set – The World is Watching Arizona https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/location-2020-election-audit-maricopa-countys-results-now-set-world-watching-arizona/ 92. jim2 says: The liberal media is consistently critical of those who want to know the valid results of the 2020 Presidential Election in Maricopa County. Anyone involved in auditing these results is fair game for criticism to the Arizona media. Good thing Arizona citizens aren’t buying it. Joe Biden reportedly won the election in Arizona by 11,000 votes. He did this by winning the state’s largest county, Maricopa County. Biden beat President Trump by about 45,000 votes in Maricopa County. This was the first time a Democrat won the county since Harry Truman did in 1948 – 72 years ago. Maricopa has about 60% of all the votes in the state. It encompasses the Phoenix area https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/media-az-continues-attack-senate-anyone-involved-maricopa-county-2020-election-audit/ 93. E.M.Smith says: @Jim2: Prepare for a great wailing and gnashing of teeth, a Plague Of Lawyers, and all manner of riot, mayhem, dirty tricks and all the usual claims of “racist” audit et. al. No way The Globalist Machine will let this audit happen without a full on attack with all they’ve got. @Davie A: Yes, the PCR Test is crap as a diagnostic tool. Yes, the complete disappearance of Influenza this year is “odd” and a red flag. Yes, there is definite hype by both governmentS and media, globally. Yes, it is entirely overblown with bogus diagnostics including monetary incentives to just say “got it”. But the fact is that the virus has been imaged: https://www.niaid.nih.gov/news-events/novel-coronavirus-sarscov2-images So to say nobody has ever found it / seen it / had it is likely also overblown. The truth will lie somewhere between those two end points. Making a “pure” virus isolate is not easy. I’m not even sure how you would proceed to do it. Undoubtedly it will be expensive. So if an organization thinks they have enough information to proceed, why would they set about creating an expensive and difficult to make “pure isolate”? How can you assert this “absence of evidence is evidence of absence” when the party has every incentive NOT to do that work and little incentive to do it? So I find it an interesting and important claim, but not a compelling conclusion. I’d also like to see a pointer to the actual filed lawsuit text. It ought to be public record somewhere. I’d also like to see what counter claims exist (like that NIH article with SEM photos). Why? Because a lab may well have extracted all manner of isolates, made photos, done lab infections of test animals, etc. etc. and not bothered to make a “pure” isolate that meets the desires of the plaintiffs, yet still shows the virus is real and a problem. For me, one major and simple point stands out: Chinese Wuhan Covid causes loss of sense of smell, often sense of taste, and frequent blood factor issues including cytokine storm. To the best of my recollection, the flu does not do that (with the exception of cytokine storm in severe strains such as the Spanish Flu). Furthermore, flu doesn’t skip over the young and children. So that set of differences, alone, is enough for me to believe it is not the flu, but some other disease, which strongly implies a different pathogen. Can I prove SARS-2 virus exists and is the cause? Nope. I must trust others with expensive lab equipment and advanced degrees in the field. Yet they seem to be showing me photos of it and specific genetic sequencing of it and various other related laboratory test results. So the article comes down to a “competition of experts” and a claim of “They would not give me what I want so it can’t exist”. That’s not a lot to base a decision upon. Which leaves me in the “quietly skeptical of both sides” group and with my strategy being “Preventative measures of modest impact and innate immunity enhancement.” I.e. I’ll wear a mask when requested and have always tended to hand washing & not sticking fingers in my mouth thanks to the early restaurant training (followed by lab work in school…) and generally have always avoided coughing and sneezing on people (or being coughed and sneezed upon…). Add in that it’s just generally a good idea to have proper micro-nutrient levels and I’m happy with taking my multi-vitamin with minerals and getting a bit of sun. Low cost low impact stuff of generally good benefit. But I’m not getting injected with an experimental drug that has a potential for horrific outcomes in a year (or a few cases of death and damage immediately). Are the Globalists and Government Control Freaks using this for personal advancement? I have no doubt. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist or is a fraud. It is only really proof that Evil Bastards love power and gravitate to the top of power structures, then “never let a crisis go to waste”. 94. cdquarles says: The old “tried and true” confirmatory methods are culturing and microscopy. The over-reliance on PCR tests, which only detect nucleic acid strings, even for influenza these days, is disturbing; yet I understand why they do it. Purification would require ultracentrifugation or things like ELISA or adsorption cytometric flow methods. Culturing isn’t that difficult; though you do have to maintain the cell cultures and be rigorous about preventing contamination. Microscopy isn’t that difficult, either; though the machines are not cheap. Plus, with highly risky pathogens, you need specialty lab buildings to protect the staff. PCR tests are cheap and can be automated, thus, easily relied upon despite the limitations of them. Flip side of this is that we are all mortal. Life as chemically embodied organisms runs one hour at a time. Every thing we do, including standing pat, has risks. Key is the risk/reward or cost/benefit ratio. And the span of a man’s life shall be 120 years. 95. jim2 says: Interestingly, for Chemists at least, virus particles are so small, in some cases they can be separated by plain ole chromatography. 96. Ossqss says: This was interesting. Courtesy of JC retweet. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1380184753580597249.html 97. jim2 says: Oh, look! The elite geniuses have treated us to another climate change model. That makes it reality! Google Earth has partnered with NASA, the U.S. Geological Survey, the EU’s Copernicus Climate Change Service, and Carnegie Mellon University’s CREATE Lab to bring users time-lapse images of the planet’s surface — 24 million satellite photos taken over 37 years. Together they offer photographic evidence of a planet changing faster than at any time in millennia. Shorelines creep in. Cities blossom. Trees fall. Water reservoirs shrink. Glaciers melt and fracture. From a repor https://news.slashdot.org/story/21/04/15/1728244/google-earth-now-shows-decades-of-climate-change-in-seconds 98. Jim Masterson says: @jim2: >> Together they offer photographic evidence of a planet changing faster than at any time in millennia. << And they know this how? Where's the photographic evidence from just a millennium ago? Show me that! What utter, stupid nonsense. Jim 99. Ossqss says: Some astonishing numbers in the write up. Neat stuff coming out today. https://www.space.com/m87-supermassive-black-hole-observing-campaign 100. E.M.Smith says: @The 2 Jims: Yeah, right… like The Little Ice Age (onset and exit) were not very rapid and extreme change. And The 1930’s Dust Bowl where folks in Chicago were treated to Oklahoma Dust clouds. Or 1816 “the year without a summer” where sheep died in summer after shearing due to sudden cold. Oh the agony of idiots with computers who slept through history class… 101. H.R. says: @jim2 – The comments on the Google effort “showing” climate change were interesting. There were mostly, “Oh yeah. Proof! This shows it.” But there was some balance allowed. Two or three comments pointed out that it showed land use change, but not necessarily a change in climate. And one comment was that it didn’t show millennia of change, just 37 years. One response to those comments was (paraphrased), “Are you going to believe the Deniers or your own lying eyes?” Pretty sad. They did not understand what they were seeing. They saw what they were told they were seeing, and by golly, you were seeing the climate change faster than at any time in the past several millennia. (Nope!) I did see a mention of this contributing to “The Science”. If you’re studying land use changes, well yes it does. Climate? Not so much. 102. E.M.Smith says: @Ossqss: Yes, very neat. I know it’s an A.R. Aspe thing, but it does bother me when they say “Image of a black hole” or “photo of a black hole” as those are absolutely impossible. What they really mean is “Image of the effects outside the event horizon of a black hole singularity”. or “Photo of the effects outside the event horizon of a black hole singularity”. By Definition, the black hole itself is the singularity without any physical size left, and the event horizon is that distance above it where gravity is just strong enough that no light can escape (and therefor no image or photo is possible). It is just not possible to EVER photograph a black hole. OK, ok, I know. Article doesn’t sound as sexy and interesting titled “First Photos EVER of some glowing stuff being sucked into a black hole that can never ever be seen”… 103. Ossqss says: @ EM, picky picky picky :-) I little more detail from the EHT group site. https://eventhorizontelescope.org/blog/telescopes-unite-unprecedented-observations-famous-black-hole 104. Jim Masterson says: @Ossqss: From your Space.com site: https://www.space.com/octopus-evolution-space-travel Compared to other species, octopuses actually evolve really, really slowly. There are about 300 different species of octopus, which have been around for at least 300 million years. In that time, they haven’t changed much. Modern humans, by comparison, have only existed for 200,000 years and in that time, have taken over the planet (and badly damaged it in the process). Yes, we humans ruin everything–even our planet. I guess to be a scientist today you have to believe in this nonsense. Jim 105. jim2 says: While maybe not as perfect as a black hole, a carbon black doesn’t reflect light. Can you take a picture of it? I say yes. It looks black. So does a black hole. It’s, well, black. And it’s black in the picture. They didn’t differentiate between the event horizon and the (perhaps presumed?) point in the middle. Points didn’t work out very well to describe an electron. 106. Jim Masterson says: @jim2: “Points didn’t work out very well to describe an electron.” Assuming an electron is a point mass, that would make it a black hole. A black hole with an electron’s mass would have a temperature of about 1.3468E53 degrees C. That would be quite warm. Notice that a single body with a charge would have trouble not exploding below a certain size–the electrical force is quite strong. A black hole would prevent the explosion, but its temperature is a problem. Jim 107. another ian says: “Massive, SECURE, free speech PLATFORM created by MyPillow boss, Mike Lindell, opening soon. Via a comment at Jo Nova 108. jim2 says: And yet, black holes can carry a charge. 109. E.M.Smith says: @Another Ian: Well that’s good news! There’s a MAJOR problem for the Woke-O-Sphere: They think they are the majority and they are not. Essentially they interpret polite demure as agreement. It isn’t. It can be gritted teeth bare tolerance and / or simmering resentment. So as soon as they get some place / company to “Go Woke” it starts to crater. The 80% to 95% just pack up and quietly leave. I expect that as that 80%+ builds alternative spaces, those spaces will grow at an astounding pace. Eventually they will escape from the Cancel Culture Mob Oppression of suppliers (as eventually they too are replaced with alternatives) at which time the 5% to 20% will have only themselves to interact with and only themselves to fund their dying monstrosities. Then they will collapse. They can only piss in the communal punch bowl and have folks leave it for them to drink as we go off to make our own new punch bowl. That will not improve their punch in said punch bowl… So look at CNN. Once the media news property. Now has an audience less than mid-scale pod-casts (and far smaller than the more popular ones). Look at the NY Times. Once the authority on what was news. Now a bit of a laughing stock with cratering readership. Right on down the line. Emmys (or was it Oscars? Or both?) from incredible fan fare and importance to “What, they still do that?”. NFL / MLB from Must Watch to Why Watch? Disney from icon of Americana to dreck and flushing Star Wars plans and expansion plans. Oh Well. Not my problem. I’ve “moved on” to other sources. For the Woke-O-sphere it really is a case of “Self inflicted beatings will continue until thinking improves”… 110. E.M.Smith says: Hmmm…. a thought on Black Holes. I can see them solving a couple of problems. First, if distributed around space a lot, they could account for the “Dark Matter” needed. Just need a bad estimate of black holes now and many more of them in reality. Second, the lack of anti-matter. Say just out the gate of creation, anti-matter was forming first or distributed more densely. It starts forming black holes first and those patches suck up a lot of the anti-matter into black holes. Eventually leaving our diminished universe (or maybe if varies by Galaxy which dominates…) of mostly Matter. Now we have matter falling into black holes, but the energy can not escape. It just adds mass. Being crushed to a singularity exterminates the issue of anti vs normal matter. Or maybe not…. Per photos of carbon black: It does reflect some light. Open the stops enough and expose long enough and you can get photons to paint a picture of the surface. That is not the same as a black hole where NO light escapes the event horizon. Notice you CAN see texture, shapes and more in this photo of carbon black. It IS reflecting enough light to do a long exposure to have a more grey appearance: 111. Jim Masterson says: @EM: >> First, if distributed around space a lot, they could account for the “Dark Matter” needed. << Realize that the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) and the ratio of hydrogen to helium to lithium per Big Bang Nucleosynthesis (BBN) limit the amount of baryonic mass in the Universe. That amount is basically there–more or less. What's missing is Warm Dark Matter (WDM) and Cold Dark Matter (CDM). Neutrinos might be the explanation for WDM, but CDM is still unaccounted for. Rogue planets, dark stars, black holes, dust, etc. (so-called Hot Dark Matter) are not what is the major missing mass in the accounting sheets. It's something else that hasn't been detected yet except by gravitational effects. Of course, our physics might be wrong too. Jim 112. Jim Masterson says: @jim2: >> And yet, black holes can carry a charge. << Scares me. If charge is realized by exchanging virtual particles, then how do virtual particles get out to be exchanged? Jim 113. Jim Masterson says: @EM: >> Per photos of carbon black: << Then there's "black bodies." It's a theoretical thermodynamic construct. Black bodies have three properties: 1) they absorb ALL radiation that falls on them; 2) when absorbing/emitting energy, they instantly adjust their temperature to reflect the energy change; and 3) they radiate at ALL frequencies with a characteristic profile per Planck's Law. A box with a small hole acts like a black body. That is, the hole acts like a black body. Radiation falling on the hole enters the box and bounces around until it is absorbed. The box-hole was called a cavity, and the radiation it emitted was called cavity radiation. Classical physics failed to explain the radiation. According to classical physics, the radiation output should be infinite–the so-called ultraviolet catastrophe. It was one of the many nails in the coffin of classical physics. Planck and QM solved that problem. Jim 114. E.M.Smith says: Per a Black Hole being “hot”: Maybe I’m not clued in on this, but isn’t it only “stuff” falling into a black hole that is hot? Ought not an isolated and alone Black Hole have zero emissions of photons as even the IR ones can’t escape the event horizon, thus leaving an appearance of a COLD black spot in space? Or am I applying human meanings of hot and cold and in QM / Classical Nuclear physics they have some other meaning?…. 115. jim2 says: I did stipulate that carbon black wasn’t as perfect as a black hole. If you took a picture of a black hole in isolation with no glowing matter around it, would you have a picture of it? The entire photograph might be black, but part of the blackness is the black hole. JM – charged non-virtual matter would have to fall into the black hole, I’m thinking. But the Hawking radiation should preferentially emit the opposite charge? If so, it would discharge at a rate depending on the mass. If your electron existed as a point for a short enough time, it would be allowed by the uncertainty principle, no? I’m don’t know. Just askin’. 116. jim2 says: I’m sure it will be appealed, but … A judge in Michigan has vindicated President Trump by ruling that Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, a Democrat, broke state law when she unilaterally changed election rules concerning absentee balloting in the 2020 election. This ruling legitimizes a key claim made by the Trump legal team in its challenges to the 2020 election. https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2021/03/17/trump-vindicated-as-federal-judge-rules-michigan-secretary-of-state-violated-election-laws-n1433162 117. jim2 says: Correction: But the Hawking radiation should preferentially emit the opposite charge? should have been: But the Hawking radiation should preferentially emit the same charge as the black hole has? For a positive hole, the negatively charge virtual particle would go into the hole. 118. jim2 says: If there were any doubt fraud occurred, this is the final nail … BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Hillary’s Attorney Marc Elias Inserts Himself Into the Arizona Senate Audit of Maricopa County – Is Using His Massive Network to Broaden His Attack – What Are They Hiding? https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/breaking-exclusive-hillarys-attorney-marc-elias-inserted-arizona-senate-audit-maricopa-county-using-massive-network-attack/ 119. jim2 says: At Least 5,800 Fully Vaccinated Americans Have Contracted COVID-19 – 74 Have Died https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/least-5800-fully-vaccinated-americans-contracted-covid-19-74-died/ 120. jim2 says: Now we have a better choice … Mike Lindell is fighting back! After he was canceled by retailers, Mike Lindell is starting his own online store: MyStore.com **Use code “TGP” at checkout and you’ll save up to 66%, plus Gateway Pundit will benefit)** MyStore is going to rival Amazon, Mike says. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/mike-lindell-launches-mystore-compete-amazon/ 121. Ossqss says: I would suggest some read the articles again in more detail. It is about more than a black hole, of which we really know very little about. Jets? “These jets manage to transport energy released by the black hole out to scales larger than the host galaxy, like a huge power cord” It ain’t about an optical picture, with our usual concept of such. Just sayin> 122. E.M.Smith says: Gravity wave generator patent from the same guy with patented Navy flying wedges https://patents.google.com/patent/US10322827B2/en?oq=US10322827B2 123. another ian says: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/04/15/media-finally-notices-that-the-rcp-8-5-climate-model-is-over-hyped-science-fiction/ And this comment there “The nickname for the RCP 8.5 climate model should be the Madoff Model. I’m struck by the similarities of the Madoff case with climate scare models. From the recent Madoff case summary story on April 14th WSJ: 1) Madoff, one-time chairman of the Nasdaq market (authority figure) 2) Madoff exuded respectability and cut an aristocratic figure( name you climate BT Barnum) 3) He was famously secretive about his methods, adding to the allure (M. Mann) 4) Madoff falsely claimed to beat the market with his “split-strike conversion strategy (cutting edge climate model) 5) Inside the Madoff offices on the 17th floor of the Lipstick Building, only a few trusted employees had access with a keycard. The phony trades were conducted giving higher returns to favored clients (climate data manipulation to fit the message) 6) Madoff didn’t go unsuspected. A 2001 Barron’s article focused on the improbability of his returns. (WUWT) 7) Madoff insisted that his trading operation remain a black box, rebuffed requests from institutional investors to visit his operations or explain them (that Mann again) 8) The SEC’s failure to discover Madoff’s fraud revealed it, in the minds of many, as an ineffectual guardian of the markets. (name your failed agency or professional society) 9) Only the pressure from the financial crisis brought Madoff down, as his fund was overwhelmed with redemption requests when people lost money elsewhere (sadly, the climate does not move that fast so the great con game continues)” And in comments further down “I’m not going to hold my breath waiting for a mea culpa report by Pravda (a/k/a The New York Times) or the Washington Post or NBC or the Los Angeles Times or NPR or MSNBC or CNN or PBS’ News Hour or ABC or CBS or the Associated Press (Seth Borenstein). They are biased, partisan and conscious and intentional distributors of disinformation. This will not come as a surprise to readers of WUWT.. What is surprising is that a number of them have publicly admitted as much (an amazing number are supposedly reputable). There is a list of print and broadcast news organizations who have signed a public agreement to disseminate propaganda. If you don’t believe me, see: https://coveringclimatenow.org/the-press-and-the-climate-emergency/ https://coveringclimatenow.org/partners/partner-list/ And “t’s not just list of orghanisations signed up which is interesting. So also is the list of organisations funding them: Covering Climate Now has been made possible by generous grants from Actions@EBMF, David and Lucile Packard Foundation, Michaux Family Foundation, Park Foundation, Rockefeller Family & Associates, Schumann Media Center and Wayne Crookes. The fiscal sponsor for Covering Climate Now is the DC-based 501c3, The Fund for Constitutional Government. “ 124. H.R. says: @Ossqss – I was aware of the jets being ejected from opposite poles of a black hole, or at least it was so theorized. I did not know that the jets extended beyond the extent of the black hole’s galaxy. Wait… What? …Poles? I’d think as a singularity, there’d be no ‘up’ or ‘down’ or ‘positive’ or ‘negative’ or anything. But anyhow, if a black hole is emitting such jets, and we have black holes in our galaxy, what happens to the stars and planets in the path of those jets, especially over in the next galaxy? I dunno, but I’m glad none are pointed at Earth. The other odd thing about black holes ejecting energy is it implies there is a limit to how much a black hole can suck in before it has to shed the excess. Limit? Someone has to do some physics splainin’ on that one. Questions, questions. I had thought about this years ago, but not for long. I figured that black holes would suck up not only all matter around them, but also a big portion of my time. I left black holes for others to figure out. P.S. I thought the radio imaging was the best view. It seemed more in line with what I’d imagined looking at a black hole would be like. 125. another ian says: E.M. Another “scrut” https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/04/15/media-finally-notices-that-the-rcp-8-5-climate-model-is-over-hyped-science-fiction/ Doesn’t copy the highlights “Krishna Gans April 15, 2021 1:18 pm Sorry for OT, but the last discussion about COV-19 and vaccines is more or less over: Adenovirus-Platelet Interaction in Blood Causes Virus Sequestration to the Reticuloendothelial System of the Liver Intravenous (i.v.) delivery of recombinant adenovirus serotype 5 (Ad5) vectors for gene therapy is hindered by safety and efficacy problems. We have discovered a new pathway involved in unspecific Ad5 sequestration and degradation. After i.v. administration, Ad5 rapidly binds to circulating platelets, which causes their activation/aggregation and subsequent entrapment in liver sinusoids. Virus-platelet aggregates are taken up by Kupffer cells and degraded. Ad sequestration in organs can be reduced by platelet depletion prior to vector injection. Identification of this new sequestration mechanism and construction of vectors that avoid it could improve levels of target cell transduction at lower vector doses. For more than a decade, adenovirus serotype 5 (Ad5)-based vectors have been used as intravenous (i.v.) gene transfer vectors. Unfortunately, as a non-blood-borne pathogen, Ad5 has not evolved mechanisms to survive in blood and is rapidly cleared from the circulation, with only a fraction reaching the target tissue (1, 28). Most i.v.-delivered Ad5 is sequestered in the liver, and animal studies indicate that Kupffer cells (KCs) play a major role in this trapping (20, 25, 38, 46, 51). Recent studies have shown that liver sequestration is not mediated by the Ad5 receptor, CAR, but involves either a direct (44) or a blood factor (coagulation factors IX and X and complement protein C4BP)-mediated (34, 35, 40) interaction between the Ad fiber and cellular heparansulfate proteoglycans. […] For D-dimer, we found significantly elevated levels in sera 5 min (P = 0.047) and 6 h (P = 0.003) after Ad injection (Fig. 1D). Although Ad induces thrombocytopenia in both animals and humans, thrombocytopenia itself is not life threatening, as platelets are readily replenished by megakaryocytes. However, the downstream effects of platelet activation and aberrant initiation of coagulation upon Ad injection are dangerous. Activation of the coagulation cascade can cause disseminated intravascular coagulation, an adverse side effect seen upon clinical Ad injection Not sure if my understanding of medical English is correct enough, but if yes, why use Adonovirus as vaccine vector against COV-19 ??” 126. H.R. says: @another ian re our Pravda Press (PP… peepee… and we’re back to Yellow Stream Media and jurinalists – Swedish pronunciation): I suppose they have to sign on because they need the revenue. But then as they spew more propaganda, more people turn the off or stop reading. Kind of like a loan shark. You keep getting in deeper and deeper until finally they own your business… and you. Bad news for an American Free Press, though. That idea is down the toilet, errrr… urinal. The people running the YSM are on board with the agenda they are being asked to push. Useful idiots, all of them. First to go in the inevitable purge. 127. Simon Derricutt says: EM – the gravity-wave generator seems to depend on the existence of gravitons as spin 2 particles. As we’ve discussed the improbability of forces being mediated by particles (virtual or not), and the “particle exchange” mechanism where force-carrying particles are only exchanged between the particles experiencing the force, and are not just sent out in all directions equally, breaks causality anyway, I think this is another of those “scatter-gun” patents to misdirect people. On breaking causality: if the force-carrying particles are only exchanged between the particles experiencing the force produced, then the particles each need to know where the other will be by the time the (light-speed-limited) particles reach the other one. This knowledge is not only beyond the knowledge horizon, but also needs to be able to predict what else will happen to the other particle during the time-of-flight of the force-carrying particle. Since there is always a basic amount of uncertainty in the movement of each particle of the pair, it is not possible to predict the future position of each particle anyway, and thus the model of “exchanging virtual particles” cannot be true. Similarly, sending out particles in all directions cannot be true either – those particles carry momentum and of course mass, and the majority of them will not be hitting any other particle. Of course, people think they can get around that by using virtual particles, but then those have a specific maximum life (based on Heisenberg and the amount of energy they contain) and thus cannot produce an inverse-square force relationship because they will disappear at a certain distance from the source. To get an inverse-square force relationship those force-carrying particles need to be permanent. Thus gravitons are a fiction. For very black stuff, if you pile a stack of razor-blades together then looking at the stacked edges is about as black as we can easily produce. There are so many (lossy) reflections between the bevelled edges of the razor blades that the absorption is almost 100%. That’s thus also a pretty good cavity radiator, too. Since gravitons would be real particles, they also couldn’t be emitted by a Black Hole. Interesting point about Black Holes is that time stops at the Event Horizon. In fact, if you were watching a particle dropping into a Black Hole you’d never see it hit that Event Horizon, but instead it would get slower the closer it got (but of course any light it was emitting would also be at lower frequency, too). There’s thus a possibility that there’s actually nothing inside the Event Horizon, and that all the mass of the Black Hole is on the surface of it. Thus also no Singularity at the middle of it, either. A Black Hole is actually 2-dimensional, since it only has area, even though it occupies a 3D sphere (or oblate spheroid if it’s spinning). Also rather odd is that if you look at the size of a Black Hole of the mass of an electron it’s the same size as the electron. Been a while since I looked at that data, though, so this is from memory. According to theory, Black Holes that size should evaporate pretty quickly, so maybe some of the Black Hole theory is wrong. If we model particles as a wave that’s wrapped around itself with a zero rate of time at the surface, then that nicely gets rid of the infinite density point particle problem, and the time-gradient (which will refract incident waves) also means that such constructs will be able to collide as particles do. Bear in mind here that time is measured by how fast certain things happen that we think are regular, and that if that underlying rate changes we can’t really tell except by comparison with something else that we also think is regular. If you try to visualise a wave moving through a time-gradient though, it’s difficult to make sense of it – our experience of time regards it as being a constant tick and so it’s hard to figure out how we get the waves joining up when at one end (the Back Hole or particle surface) it’s stopped and at the other end it’s faster. Thus there’s still a fair amount of thinking to do about that before it makes sense. It’s possible to envisage particles orbiting a Black Hole just outside the Event Horizon. We’d see them (if we could see them, of course) as orbiting pretty slowly since time is almost stopped there. Also, if we get a virtual particle pair produce just outside the event horizon, it’s possible that one may be a bit closer and fall in, making the other one into a real particle. Then again, the other one is unlikely to be in a perfectly circular orbit, and would also get sucked in. Supposed to be why Black Holes evaporate over time (antimatter gets sucked in leaving matter outside), but the logic doesn’t seem to work that well. As far as I can tell, there’s only one sort of energy and no anti-energy, and when energy turns into particles we get a matter/antimatter pair. Thus antimatter sucked into a Black Hole wouldn’t reduce the amount of energy in the Black Hole, but instead increase it. Overall, those Black Holes at the centres of galaxies currently have some illogical explanations. When you start to dig into the details, the explanations look like hand-waving away bits that people can’t explain but can be made to work with a bit of doublethink. Much the same with Dark Matter. You can’t specify a distribution of Dark Matter in a galaxy that simultaneously explains the gravitational acceleration on the outer stars and the gravitational acceleration between wide binary stars. You can choose a distribution that explains one bit of that, but then fails for the others. Currently, to explain all those accelerations at the same time, you need to dump Newton’s inverse-square law (and also, incidentally, Einstein’s curved space idea in the GTR) and propose that at large distances it deviates and produces a larger force at large distances than the inverse-square law allows. If you do that, then there’s no longer any need to speculate that Dark Matter exists, which is useful since we haven’t managed to detect it yet after spending a lot of money and time looking. 128. H.R. says: Simon D: “A Black Hole is actually 2-dimensional, since it only has area, even though it occupies a 3D sphere (or oblate spheroid if it’s spinning).” Well that would go quite a ways towards answering some of the questions I had above, including my questioning singularity if the other features, like jets, held. 129. cdquarles says: Any paper these days that uses p-values is suspect. Why? Think of the logical fallacy known as the false dichotomy. I am not really that motivated, today, to go dig into that paper. Does that mean that the relationship is, in itself, false? No, it means that it needs to be redone using predictive statistical methods. (This is one reason why you see papers that say “it is bad” followed by “it is not”, so often.) 130. p.g.sharrow says: The question of Blackholes and Gravity leads also to mass/inertia and the nature of Light. In particular that of “Search Light” jets from the poles of it. This also leads to Quasar’s and their “Search Light” of energies that seem to pulse, due to wobble of their spinning poles. It appears to me that this is Energy leaking caused by the rapid stirring of the Aether, caused by very strong magnetic fields rapidly spinning, that Confuses the mass/inertia field created by the mater of that body. As Gravity and the mass/inertia at the poles is reduced, a firehose of mater/energy is emitted. A leak in their gravity well. Therefore the sink of a Blackhole is not actually a one way trip We have a hint at the nature of Aether and the mass/inertia effect. Mass/Inertia is a 3 dimension effect over time, the forth dimension of our universe. Mass/inertia effect is external to Mater that causes it. 131. cdquarles says: Update, I did get the linked paper. A quick scan did not show how many mice they used and 2. they didn’t fully describe all of their methods, they just linked to other papers. The linking is fine, but to my mind, an experimenter should still fully describe how *they* did things and let readers decide for themselves to go check the linked method papers for similarities and disparities. 132. E.M.Smith says: Hmmm…. Had not considered that since time slows then halts “stuff” falling in can’t make it to the center… Or is that one of those “not quite right shorthands” for asymptotic where at infinity they do? That is, does time slow to zero AT the event horizon? Or is it just really slow there and only ZERO at the singularity point? A “for all practical purposes” stuff stacks up on a shell of extraordinary slow time, but it is still advancing toward the point and will get there “at the end of time”? Another problem: Black holes grow. Does that mean the first stuff in forms a “shell” close to the singularity but as it grows the stuff is stacking up in layers further away, as time dilation expands outward with more stuff piled up? Does the black hole end up a Russian Doll series of shells of “stuff” as it swallows one sun after another (and eventually one galaxy after another?) What would that look like to someone inside the event horizon (assuming slowed but not halted time until you reach the singularity point) as more stuff arrives? Would it look like “an expanding universe”? Could it be that WE are inside the event horizon of a really gigantic Black Hole and when we look ‘far far away and back in time’ and see the “big bang” early universe, that’s really just the first stuff to arrive around the singularity when it was small, radiating and making jets? And when we look to “the edge of the visible universe” that is expanding, might that just be the event horizon moving outward as more stuff enters? I think I need that first morning cup of coffee to get the brain started enough for QM & Black Holes ;-) @H.R.: I always thought the “Jets” were the product of stuff in the process of falling toward the event horizon, but jets were not actually exiting the event horizon of a black hole singularity. The same mechanics as other jets from other rapidly rotating heating and compressing bodies (quasars et. al.). Have I missed something? Some alien mechanism that lets “stuff” back out of the event horizon from inside it, via poles? Similarly the notion that a Black Hole rotates. I think that depends on sloppy word use. The Singularity (that is really the black hole) has zero time and zero space coordinates so can not rotate. It is a point quantity as the asymptote reaches zero (at infinity time?). Stuff inside the event horizon ought to be able to rotate as time has not reached zero and space has not reached zero. It is just that there’s enough gravity photons can not escape. Even at the speed of light, their orbit of the singularity is tighter than the surface curvature… Stuff near the center ought to rotate “slower” when viewed from the edge, and stuff at the edge ought to appear to fly around when viewed from closer to the singularity (as time is near zero there); I think, maybe, possibly… OTOH, photons traveling between the two, so they an see each other, will be in variable time too…. My brain is complaining that I’ve not fed it coffee yet… 133. jim2 says: In 1963, Roy C. Kerr solved Einstein’s equations for a black hole that is rotating. The structure of a rotating black hole is a bit different from that of a stationary black hole. There is an additional zone called the ergosphere (from the Greek word ergon, meaning “work”), from within which it is theoretically possible to extract energy and matter from the black hole. http://hosting.astro.cornell.edu/academics/courses/astro201/ergosphere.htm 134. jim2 says: If you take a picture of a black hole in the void, does it make an image? 135. Jim Masterson says: @EM: >> Per a Black Hole being “hot”: << Black holes are the ultimate censor–throw something in, and it disappears behind the event horizon. The Universe is considered to be an isolated system. All isolated systems must obey the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Another way of stating the 2nd Law is: $\displaystyle \Delta S\ge 0$ That is, the change in entropy must be greater than or equal to zero. The change in entropy can only be zero if the system is in equilibrium. Since the Universe is not in equilibrium, entropy must be increasing. However, if you throw something with entropy into a black hole, and it disappears behind the event horizon, that would decrease entropy violating the 2nd law. There are three things you can tell about black holes: mass, spin, and charge. There must be a fourth property: entropy, and it must be visible. The area of the event horizon is "visible" and it increases as you throw stuff in. (By visible, I mean it is detectable from outside.) Therefore the entropy of a black hole is proportional to the area of the event horizon. Steven Hawking pointed out that if black holes have entropy, then they must have a temperature too. That temperature is proportional to the "surface" gravity of the black hole. Again, the surface of a black hole is the event horizon. Surface gravity per Newton's law is: $\displaystyle a=\frac{G\cdot m}{{{r}^{2}}}$ If we plug in the Earth's mass and radius we get 9.8 m/s^2. If we plug in the Schwarzschild radius: $\displaystyle r=\frac{2\cdot G\cdot m}{{{c}^{2}}}$ We get: $\displaystyle a=\frac{{{c}^{4}}}{4\cdot G\cdot m}$ Notice that "surface" gravity is inversely proportional to mass–the greater the mass, the less the surface gravity. Here is one expression for the temperature of a black hole: $\displaystyle {{T}_{H}}=\frac{\hbar \cdot {{c}^{3}}}{8\cdot \pi \cdot {{k}_{B}}\cdot G\cdot m}$ Thus temperature is a fifth property of a black hole. If a black hole has a temperature, then it must radiate. How is that possible? Well, QM to the rescue. The vacuum is never exactly at zero energy. It's possible for virtual particles (particle and anti-particle pair) to appear out of nowhere, exist for a brief instant (per Heisenberg's uncertainty principle), and then disappear. If a pair of virtual particle's appear next to a black hole, it's possible for one to drop behind the event horizon while the other doesn't. If that happens, then the outside particle must become a real particle, and it steals the energy from the black hole. The smaller the black hole, the more likely this will occur. Eventually this will cause a black hole to evaporate–but over a very, very long time–trillions and trillions of years for a typical star-sized black hole. Jim 136. YMMV says: another ian, 16 April 2021 at 9:30 am, “Adenovirus-Platelet Interaction in Blood Causes” Dr. Campbell video, “Aspirate to vaccinate!”, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuyAtvwP2H4 brings up a paper published in December 2006 — showing that Adenovirus was known to cause Thrombocytopenia. It was being used for gene therapy and caused blood clots when injected into the blood stream. It did not say one way or the other if injecting into muscle is safe. But that is a pretty big red flag and only now is it being mentioned. It’s about von Willebrand Factor, which if you remember was a big topic on MedCram videos about Covid about a year ago. 137. jim2 says: Censorship is not freedom of speech. It is the opposite. This is something that never was fixed when the Republicans held the Presidency, the House, and the Senate. Wonder why? Big Tech has been targeting and censoring conservatives for years. These actions, which many believe are criminal and corrupt, hurt conservatives and prevent their messages from getting out in the public square. This is certainly not free speech. This is the prevention of free speech. You would think there would be wording in the US Constitution that would make this unlawful? Now we see Big Tech’s Google censoring requests for Maricopa County audit observers and volunteers. After the requests were switched to wufoo, they were then also suppressed and censored. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/exclusive-big-techs-google-targeting-arizona-maricopa-county-audit-not-allowing-requests-volunteers-shared-sites/ 138. jim2 says: The Democrats thirst for power. They are like Marxists in everything they do at this point. This is not your mom and dad’s Democrat Party. Advertisement – story continues below Learn more about RevenueStripe… These people intend to change America into another sh*thole like Venezuela. The Democrats have reportedly introduced a resolution in the House of Representatives to get rid of the Electoral College. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/breaking-power-hungry-democrats-introduce-resolution-get-rid-electoral-college/ 139. YMMV says: more data on the risks of vaccines from Dr. Campbell today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jFYrpAkQwA The data so far shows that the risk of CVT is small with mRNA vaccines, a bit more with AstraZeneca, and much worse with Covid. But for PVY the risk with mRNA vaccines is much higher than with AstraZeneca. 140. Ossqss says: 141. E.M.Smith says: @CDQuarles: I think you will like this ;-) From the Briggs page linked by Ossqss: The paper proves each of the contentions in the Conclusion. It is a review paper, examining the evidence from dozens of meta-analyses and other papers. Recall that if you can’t “prove” your hypothesis with a wee P-value in a single paper, you can always up the N (which guarantees weer Ps) by doing a meta-analysis. If you can’t get a wee P there, well, what you’re trying to “prove” just can’t be done. Masks just don’t work. Adjusting your P to be a wee P via upping your N to guarantee a Wee-P ;-) Pvalue, a nice variable to adjust ;-) 142. YMMV says: cdquarles: “Any paper these days that uses p-values is suspect. Why? Think of the logical fallacy known as the false dichotomy.” We know cdquarles has a thing against p-values. Fine, p-values are often misused and abused. “it needs to be redone using predictive statistical methods.” Finally, the key word to search on: “Predictive Analytics”. Key points where it is claimed to differ from trad statistics: machine learning, artificial intelligence, modelling, “deep learning”, and other things which are also standard statistics. There are many books, including “Predictive Analytics For Dummies”. So far, I can predict that it will not wipe out p-values. What does Briggs have to say about this? A false dilemma (sometimes also referred to as a false dichotomy) is a logical fallacy, which occurs when a limited number of options are incorrectly presented as being mutually exclusive to one another or as being the only options that exist, in a situation where that isn’t the case. I assume this is directed at the null hypothesis which is the target of the p-values. The dichotomy is either null hypothesis or not. The assumption is that this is a True or False dichotomy. That is incorrect. It is more like between Proven and Not Proven. Except it is not a proof. So it is between Likely and Not Likely. If you understand that, what is the big deal? And what is a better method? 143. E.M.Smith says: You know things are a success when folks start doing homage videos of it. Adult Wednesday Addams: A sample of the original: 144. E.M.Smith says: 145. E.M.Smith says: Oh God, I’m on a Friday Kick… 146. another ian says: FWIW “TRUMP WON! MATTHEW S DEPERNO IS ABOUT TO PROVE IT IN COURT” https://richardsonpost.com/howellwoltz/21357/trump-won-matthew-s-deperno-is-about-to-prove-it-in-court/ 147. E.M.Smith says: @Another Ian: OMG! What a link…. I loved this bit: Public trust in government overall, in fact, has sunk to 17% in the United States—a phenomenal number—but one well earned. They’re scoundrels to the man and woman it seems. Realize that about 1/3 of our economy is government. that means roughly 33% of people ARE the government. So about 1/2 of the people who ARE the government, do not trust the government! Just OMG… One hopes that the legal process can run well enough to make truth and honesty known. The alternative “is not good”. I’m not really interested in being the old geezer on Medicare strapping on a backpack tent and camping gear and heading out to be The Militia… (Technically, at over 60, I think I’m exempt, but…. ) 148. philjourdan says: @Jim2 – Re: Mystore. I have already moved over half my purchases off of Amazon. If he makes this a go, it will be easy to move the rest of them off! And he is not one to be trifled with! 149. philjourdan says: @Another Ian – Anthony Watts asked Suyts to repost his Mercury Thermometer graphs. He did, and come to find out that GISS has again manipulated the data! Cooling the past and warming the present! It is not science. It is a religion 150. E.M.Smith says: It isn’t a religion. it is a FRAUD. 151. cdquarles says: Thanks for the reminder, phil. 152. another ian says: A question for the users of Brave Where does it hide things like user name and email that comes up when you go to enter such? I need to delete some miss typed ones and haven’t found the location. TIA 153. another ian says: “Italian Politician, on Parliament Floor, Demands Bill Gates Be Arrested for Crimes Against Humanity” 154. H.R. says: Well, it was the Battlin’ Bluegills vs the Crazy Crappies tonight at the pond. It was mostly a defensive struggle; tied 9 to 9 at the end of the 4th quarter. Thee ‘Gills won it in overtime with a field goal, 12 to 9. Who needs the NFL? 😜 155. Terry Jackson says: A question for the users of Brave Where does it hide things like user name and email that comes up when you go to enter such? I need to delete some miss typed ones and haven’t found the location. TIA Hit the Menu stacked dashes, go down to Settings and click. scroll WAAAAY down and find passwords 156. jim2 says: General Michael Flynn warns that it is possible that Antifa and BLM will show up and attempt to stop or interrupt the scheduled audit in Maricopa County. Why are the Democrats so scared of a valid audit being performed in Maricopa County of their 2020 Election results? Next week an audit of the results in Maricopa County is going to start and the Democrats are absolutely freaking out over it. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/general-flynn-warns-possible-threats-antifa-blm-interrupting-maricopa-county-audit-2020-election/ 157. p.g.sharrow says: Hillary promised that half of Washington would go down with her. Maybe she meant half of all politicians and not just the Democratic ones. Dominion was selling Election Insurance for all Dark State politicians and not just Democratic ones. The machines were just a part of the package deal…pg 158. another ian says: @Terry Jackson Thanks but somewhere else. Best I can describe it is that it is a selection list which comes up when you hover pointer over the (e.g.) email box for a comment you are wanting to post and left click. I need to get rid of some miss-types in there. Any chance this might be in my profile? But I don’t see how to edit that either 159. Ossqss says: 160. H.R. says: @Ossqss – Good article about the GEBs needing another crisis as Xi’x Disease is just not scaring enough people anymore. I think the writer has things about right. I only have a few quibbles about the predictions. The one I can see where he is probably right, but maybe a little off in how it would all play out is the BLM riots. He thinks the next crisis will be BLM being unleashed on smaller, Red communities. When the good citizens exercise their right to self defense, martial law will be declared and the military will be sent in to ‘put down the rebellion,’ meaning they will round up, disarm, and maybe incarcerate exactly the people standing in the way of the GEB’s tyranny. What. I. Noticed… is at the bottom, the site is pushing the sale of gold. So the article, though largely a pretty good analysis and mostly right, is generating a little fear from the other side in order to push gold. As E.M. recently wrote about in a comment, some gold and silver in hand is a good thing, regardless of the crisis being political or a great natural disaster. But an investment in durable or long shelf life trade goods is also wise and perhaps maybe even better than gold. . . . Idle question: Will the ammo makers ever catch up to the demand? I’m not sure they will. Ossqss and I had fun at our Dodgy Proceedings meet-ups shooting BB & pellet guns. Conserve your ammo and practice your skills with still readily-available BBs and pellets. 161. Jim Masterson says: In reference to jets. Here’s a couple of articles: https://astronomy.swin.edu.au/cosmos/S/Stellar+Jets https://astronomy.swin.edu.au/cosmos/G/Galactic+Jets The material making up the jets appear to come from the surrounding accretion disk (or in the case of planetary nebulae–excretion disks) and not the central object itself. Even a spinning black hole has “poles” so to speak. Jim 162. Jim Masterson says: @H.R.: I consider AARP to be a communist organization. I am a member of AMAC. A month or more ago, AMAC recommended 4Patriots.com as a source for long-term survival food. I ordered a couple of their units (they aren’t cheap). They claim 25-year shelf life. I see some are claiming them to be a scam, so do your research. I’m expecting these crazy knuckleheads to be screwing up our food supply next. I got a 22 revolver some years ago. It’s easy to load (loading magazines are hard on my thumbs without a loader), 22 bullets are still in good supply and relatively cheap, and 22’s are almost real weapons. Jim 163. H.R. says: Hey, Thanks, Jim M. – I knew from way back the black holes shot out jets, at least in theory. But when the discussion of a singularity came up here, the jets gave me pause. The links should help me catch back up a bit. I’m doing Saturday stuff, but I’ll follow those later to catch back up with the class. Thanks again. I lost interest in Black Holes when I owned one for a while. They are called boats, and they suck any and all money you have into them. 😜 164. E.M.Smith says: Looks like the “UN-armed kid” shot in Chicago actually had a pistol… https://odysee.com/@TimcastNews:0/leftists-lie-and-claim-kid-shot-by-cop:6 165. E.M.Smith says: Note that for about$100 bucks you can get a “replica” gun to match most of the big makers. So for about the cost of 2 or 3 boxes of ammo, you can practice all the needed skills with a gun that closely matches your gun, and you can practice in your own yard.

For example:

166. E.M.Smith says:

Florida passes a law making it clear when a “protest” turns violent is a riot and enhancing criminal penalties. Also has some kind of “pass” for folks driving out of a riot if someone tries to stop them…

https://odysee.com/@timcast:c9/florida-passes-anti-riot-bill-granting:1

https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/548658-after-blm-protests-florida-senate-passes-controversial-anti

The Florida state legislature passed a new, controversial bill aimed at quelling protests and “combating public disorder.”

The bill, dubbed House Bill 1, was first filed in the Florida House of Representatives in early January, and made its way through both chambers with various amendments. The final vote was 23-17, with the bill headed to the governor’s mansion after passing the Senate.

Florida Sen. Ed Hooper, one of the GOP lawmakers backing the bill, reportedly said the bill supports “law and order” and is not meant to infringe on American civil liberties. Keeping within party lines, Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) has come out in support of HB 1, and is expected to sign the bill into law within the coming week.
[…]
Some of the key provisions in the new law include increasing the severity of an offense classified as aggravated assault or battery that occurred during a riot on both civilians and law enforcement officers, with increased criminal penalties, including jail time. The bill also prohibits the destruction of a historical structure or monument.

Local jurisdictions that interfere with law enforcement efforts to contain protests or riots are also subject to new penalties. Meanwhile, law enforcement agencies who undergo local funding reductions may now file an objection through several different bureaucratic channels within 30 days of the budget proposal.

Yeah, “controversial” as it hobbles the strategy of Marxist Riots via Antifa and BLM…

https://www.republicandaily.net/2021/04/florida-senate-passes-controversial-anti-riot-bill-pushed-in-wake-of-black-lives-matter-protests/

POLITICSFlorida Senate passes ‘anti-riot’ bill pushed in wake of Black Lives Matter protests

GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis championed the legislation and is expected to sign it as early as next week.

The Florida Senate on Thursday passed, largely along party lines, a controversial anti-riot bill that was pushed by GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis in the wake of Black Lives Matter protests last summer.

The bill would increase criminal penalties for assaulting law enforcement officials while engaging in a “riot” and defacing monuments and other public property during riots. It would also penalize local governments that interfere with law enforcement efforts to contain riots and set up a citizen’s appeal process when cities and counties try to reduce police budgets in response to riots.

The final vote in the Senate was 23-17, with one Republican voting with Democrats in opposition. The bill passed the GOP-controlled House in late March. Democratic legislators argue that it would create a chilling effect on First Amendment rights and restrict political dissent. Republicans argued that it would protect law enforcement officers and prevent public disorder.

GOP state Sen. Ed Hooper said during the bill’s contentious debate that the legislation was not about racism but about “law and order.” Democratic state Sen. Jason Pizzo, who criticized the bill, tweetedafter it passed that “this legislative session will likely get its own custom box of Cards Against Humanity.”

DeSantis, who championed the legislation, said in a statement after it passed that he “looks forward” to signing the measure. He is expected to do so as early as next week.

“This legislation strikes the appropriate balance of safeguarding every Floridian’s constitutional right to peacefully assemble, while ensuring that those who hide behind peaceful protest to cause violence in our communities will be punished,” DeSantis said in a statement. “Further, this legislation ensures that no community in the state engages in defunding of their police.”

Since the deadly Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol, at least 13 states have taken up legislation to crack down on protests. The push, critics say, is a revival of broader anti-protest efforts that emerged during the Black Lives Matter demonstrations that rocked the country last summer.

In addition to Florida, legislators in Arizona, Indiana, Maryland, Minnesota, Mississippi, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, Virginia and Washington filed bills that critics say use the violence at the Capitol to target social justice protests more broadly. Many of the bills are similar or identical to the ones introduced in those states last year.

The majority of the bills use almost identical language and suggest similar penalties, most of them establishing third-degree felonies for property damage, injuring a person or obstructing roadways; second-degree felonies for destroying or toppling monuments; and first-degree misdemeanors of harassment for confrontations in public spaces, such as confronting elected officials in restaurants. The legislators also propose hefty fines and mandatory jail sentences from 30 days to four years depending on the offense.

The bills in Florida, Indiana, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Virginia and Washington would redefine a riot or an unlawful assembly as three or more people partaking in “tumultuous activity.”

167. Jim Masterson says:

@EM:

It’s hard to believe that here in the People’s Democratic Republic of Washington State the legislature is considering a bill that would “protect citizen’s rights.” Everything is run by Democrats in this state–they are all statists.

Jim

168. E.M.Smith says:

@Jim:

It might only be that the bill was introduced by one lone Republican from a rural county in the east where it’s all farmers and such… Just to tweak noses.

169. Jim Masterson says:

@EM:

Even so, the Republicans in this state are nearly as bad as the Democrats. Two of “our” Republicans voted to impeach Trump in the last go-around. Along with Liz Cheney, I hope they have term-limited themselves.

Jim

170. another ian says:

For something different

“The original human intra-species violence was between females competing for resources. The prime resource was a strong male who could not only provide food, but also physical protection. For a female without such a resource, one means of gaining the attention of Barney Bigstick was to knobble his present cuddle-mammoth.”

More at

https://catallaxyfiles.com/2021/04/17/muddy-primal/

171. another ian says:

“LOCKDOWNS were “worth it” if they saved even one life. Remember? Does it follow that even one death means junk vaccines are not worth it? ”

More at

https://catallaxyfiles.com/2021/04/17/losing-control-of-a-carefully-crafted-panic/

172. another ian says:
173. philjourdan says:

@EMS – to a Jew, Christianity is a fraud. And to any real god fearing individual, Islam is a fraud.

So what is the difference between AGW and Islam? (other than how they treat women?)

174. another ian says:

Van Morrison has a few words

https://www.bitchute.com/video/R6KKcAIDSdef/

175. another ian says:
176. Simon Derricutt says:

Saw this at Paul Homewood’s blog (notalotofpeopleknowthat):

A bit close to the bone as regards modern education.

177. E.M.Smith says:

While true that these brands are often individual companies, many are subsidiaries of One Larger Company. For example, they list both Doritos and Pepsi Co. Doritos is a brand from Frito-Lay, a wholly owned subsidiary of Pepsi Co. So ALL Frito-Lay products along with ALL Pepsi Co. products are offensive to the conservative life.

Still, for most folks, they don’t think in terms of companies and subsidiaries, but in terms of brands. Also, having a quick hit to a particular brand after the manager of that brand / subsidiary do something stupid (like endorse / contribute to / support BLM a Marksist Political Group dedicated to the destruction of capitalism, and with that, the destruction of said companies…) will tend to “focus the mind” of upper management a bit more:

https://oneway2day.wordpress.com/2020/06/08/279-companies-supporting-violent-antifa-black-lives-matter/

There’s a lot on there not relevant to me (Not bought any Converse nor Ben & Jerry’s in years, never bought a new BMW (and they don’t care about the used one 15 years ago)) nor have I had an American Express card in about 20 years (got tired of the endless fees for ego stroking). But some bits will be harder to avoid.

There are alternative off brands for Coke & Pepsi, and until KFC joins Taco Bell in the Woke Space I can still do some of YUM Brands (who owns both…); but both Lowe’s and Home Depot are on the list. Still leaves Ace Hardware for smaller stuff, but lumber yard and garden supplies might be a bit harder to work out.

Still, if they feel it is a good idea to Support Communism and use MY MONEY spent with them to support the destruction of America instead of their feduciary responsibility to give profit to share-holders: I see zero as in no, nada, none, zilch reason to let them even smell my money (and forget about touching any of it…)

To the extent I can make it work, those companies / products / parent companies etc. are dead to me. No investment. Neither stocks nor bonds. No purchases. Nothing.

178. YMMV says:

Is the pope still catholic? Did the Wuhan virus come from Wuhan? Should we call it the Fauci virus?
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/04/russians_say_covid_came_from_an_american_lab_in_china_is_it_true.html

179. Ossqss says:

I put another SSD drive in a neighbors 8 year old poor performing i3 Dell yesterday and it was brought back from the dead. The Acronis cloning utility that comes with it worked great, if you remember to halt the antivirus working in the background. DOH!

Basically, it now worked better than the day he bought it (4x drive transfer rate improvement) and was only $58 bucks. It seems a recent W10 update took it over the edge of tolerance for ssssllllooooowwwness. 180. E.M.Smith says: @YMMV: In order: Hard to say for sure now. Yes, absolutely. Sounds like a good idea to me! Don’t they mean an American FUNDED by Faucci Chinese lab? ;-) @Ossqss: I’ve noticed the old Compaq Evo (SINGLE Pentium-4 processor in it, sloooooo 40 GB disk) is a little faster than a Pi Model 2, and slower than a Pi Model 3 these days on most things I care about. Seems the multi-core ability of recent browsers has put the Pi M3 in the lead… I’ve thought of tossing a cheap SSD at it (as at present everything on one drive means most things have some kind of head contention…) but just can’t bring myself to spend money on the old box. For$58 I can get another Odroid XU4 like I’m using right now that runs rings around it… 8 cores and 2 GB memory.

I think maybe if I had a somewhat newer “old crappy PC” I’d do it, though!

Isn’t the i3 something like 2 or 4 cores, dual threads, 3 to 4 GHz and with mondo GB of memory? Now THAT would be worth the upgrade! 8-)

181. Jim Masterson says:

@YMMV:

>>
Is the pope still catholic?
<<

No, I think he's full, 100% Communist.

Jim

182. jim2 says:

Self-crashing car. I want one!!

HOUSTON – Two men are dead after a Tesla traveling in Spring crashed into a tree and no one was driving the vehicle, officials say.

The crash happened at 11:25 p.m. in the Carlton Woods subdivision near The Woodlands. The car burst into flames after hitting a tree near 18 Hammock Dunes Place.

Harris County Precinct 4 Constable Mark Herman told KPRC 2 that the investigation showed “no one was driving” the fully-electric 2019 Tesla when the accident happened. There was a person in the passenger seat of the front of the car and in the rear passenger seat of the car.

183. E.M.Smith says:

@Jim2:

IF I had the money, there’s some folks I’d like to give one to….

184. Ossqss says:

@EM, the Drive was a standard 500 gig SSD pushing a 560 MB/s transfer rate. They have NVMe PCIe connected drives for the same price that push 2,000 MB/s rates. You just have to have a proper M.2 slot to use them. I did see a 240 gig drive for less than 40 bucks on the Crucial site. That old dell was lucky to have an SATA connection, but did boast 6 gig of RAM.

i3 PC’s are not really for doing much besides browsing and don’t have much horse power. Most all of the newer PC’s only use less energy and don’t do much in performance increases now days. I have a 10th gen Core i7 in this Lenovo that is great, but not much different in performance from 5 gen’s ago. Not like the old days going from a 386 to a 486 etc.. :-)

185. E.M.Smith says:

@Ossqss:

Having lived almost exclusively on ARM chips for the last half decade to decade, my view of chip “power” has become a bit warped ;-) I’m not sure what I’d do with an 0cto-Cor 4 GHz AMD/Intel isa and 8 GB of RAM with NVMe / PCIe / SATA…

I’ve found that for things like browsing, movies, editing pictures, word / spreadsheet / office type stuff, the Ordoid XU4 or N2 is quite enough. 2 GB is nice and 4 is more than I need. ( 1 GB with decent SWAP set-up is OK too). USB-3.0 quite fast enough.

In the last year, especially, my perception has settled on “Under $100 please” as just dandy. The XU4 is presently selling for about$58. Add a fast uSD card, Power supply, et.al. and you are still under $100 with lots left over. The N2 is a bit tighter a fit, but you can do it. Basically, other than slightly exotic stuff (distcc, Beowulf cluster, etc.) I can’t really justify bigger / more than that. (Though I’ve not yet tried video editing. Supposedly that’s a challenge… and I don’t do games.) Still, every so often I do look over at the Wintel dark side and wonder what happens with all that compute performance… 186. Ossqss says: @EM, I hear ya. I don’t have the option to disengage from the required applications and compatibility needed for my business endeavors. FYI, for anyone interested. I recently obtained a legal copy of MS Office 2019 (not an online version, local) for around$50 bucks from this site. https://www.kinguin.net

Just make sure you follow the directions for download and the activation via Microsoft. I was skeptical, but it works and is legal across the board.

187. philjourdan says:

The steal is real – https://youtu.be/iG2V_bWLRqo

You can deny eyewitnesses. You can deny history. But the left has told us you cannot deny science.

And science has spoken.

188. philjourdan says:

Where is RC Cola when you need them?

189. philjourdan says:

@YMMV – American Thinker – sorry, I do not read them any longer since they caved to Dominion and as we just saw in another link (https://youtu.be/iG2V_bWLRqo) Dominion is guilty as sin.

The left has told us, science does not lie.

190. philjourdan says:

@Ossqss – Duh! I set up my first SSD a few years ago for a retired teacher (who actually was worth a shit!) as their old one was just getting too old. After doing that, I told her I could no longer work on her computer (with a wink) as I would get addicted to speed!

Stick an SSD in a computer? Inject nitrogen into the gas mix!

191. philjourdan says:

@Jim Masterson:

>>
Is the pope still catholic?
<<

No, I think he's full, 100% Communist.

You can add he is not Catholic. Catholic doctrine specifically prohibits abortion and the use of aborted persons. Francis does not support that (I will not “enable” him with a higher title).

192. jim2 says:

An email previously released by WikiLeaks reveals that a Dominion Voting advisor met with John Podesta during Hillary Clinton’s campaign to discuss ways that they could help to defeat Donald Trump.

In 2018, Dominion Voting announced that it had been acquired by its management team and Staple Street Capital, a New York-based private equity firm, who was being advised by Kirkland & Ellis LLP.

During Clinton’s campaign, according to an email chain released by WikiLeaks, Kirkland & Ellis LLP partner Kamran S. Bajwa met with John Podesta while offering “anything” to help defeat Donald Trump.

Podesta, at the time, was chair of Hillary Clinton’s 2016 U.S. presidential campaign.

193. jim2 says:

Arizona Senate Is Ready for Audit of Maricopa County’s 2020 Election Results to Begin – The Democrats Are In a Panic

194. jim2 says:

The Catholic Church throughout the ages has played footsie with the people in power, i.e. the government. It has no pride and its “religion” has been nothing more than a means of controlling the people and enriching themselves. The whole shebang could slosh right down the drain and I wouldn’t blink an eye. The world would be a better place for it.

195. YMMV says:

philjourdan: “American Thinker – sorry, I do not read them any longer since they caved to Dominion”

I feel sorry for American Thinker being gang-raped by the Dominatrix. But their contributors still write some good thinking, which is getting impossible to find anywhere else.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, YouTube has awarded itself a Free Speech award.

YT thinking: ~~we protect our freedom by restricting yours~~

I’d call that anti-American, totalitarian, and other less printable things.

196. Compu Gator says:

I’m another of Chiefio‘s denizens who’s convinced that Jorge “Francis” Bergoglio is neither a valid pope, nor even a genuine Roman Catholic. But I’m convinced of even more than that: Bergoglio’s audacity in rejecting an obvious teaching of Jesus, notably on “proseletizing”,  which is traceable to the Evangelists in the New Testament [✝], indicates that he’s not even Christian.

Sooo,  ‘Jim2’ [*], before I focus on Roman Catholicism, I need a clarification: Is your  hatred  dislike of the Roman Catholic Church just a particular case of a dislike of all Christianity-based religion(s)?  Wasn’t it Karl Marx who’s credited with a cynical summary very much like yours [*]?

“religion” has been nothing more than a means of controlling the people and enriching themselves.

Or are you more ecumenical, extending your dislike to all other “religion”, e.g., Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Shinto?

If you’re simply an atheist, perhaps you should just admit so. I wouldn’t expect such an admission to change your acceptance by our tolerant & gracious host. Especially what with this being a “W.O.O.D.” topic. Altho’ given his description of his “spouse” as “Catholic”,  her reported abstinence from this blog might be to your advantage.

——–
Note ✝ : What could possibly be unclear about Jesus’  words?
• “Going therefore, teach ye all nations” (Matthew 28:19); and
• “Go ye into the whole world, and preach the gospel to every creature” (Mark 16:15) [✝✝].

Note ✝✝ : That they are commands from Jesus, not mere idle musings, is emphasized by the Latin of the Vulgate Bible, in which each of the key verbs appear in their imperative-plural form. For the very few readers who might wish to verify my asertion:
“docete” in Mt. 28:19:  http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drl&bk=47&ch=28&l=19-#x; and
“praedicate” in Mk 16:15:  http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drl&bk=48&ch=16&l=15-#x.

Note * : “19 April 2021 at 3:01 am” GMT:  https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2021/04/11/w-o-o-d-11-april-2021/#comment-142398.

197. another ian says:

FWIW

“THE TIDE JUST TURNED ON A STOLEN ELECTION – AND GUESS WHO WAS SWIMMING NAKED”

https://richardsonpost.com/howellwoltz/21433/the-tide-just-turned-on-a-stolen-election-and-guess-who-was-swimming-naked/

198. philjourdan says:

@Jim2 –

The Catholic Church throughout the ages has played footsie with the people in power, i.e. the government.

That is simplistic and wrong. At one time they WERE the people in power. But in the previous century, they actually PLAYED the people in power (read the history of Pope John Paul II). But yes interspersed with those periods (and in the current periods) they are the whores to government.

When P Francis stepped foot on this nation and did NOT condemn the selling of baby parts, my religion left me,

199. philjourdan says:

@YMMV says:
19 April 2021 at 4:14 pm

I guess that is like the PP awarding the NYT an award for Walter Durants lies on Stalin. And any rational human being thinking they are going to give it bacK.

Trump did not invent “fake news” He only acknowledged it!

200. philjourdan says:

@CompuGator

I’m another of Chiefio‘s denizens who’s convinced that Jorge “Francis” Bergoglio is neither a valid pope, nor even a genuine Roman Catholic.

Let us be clear. He is a valid pope. He was elected by the College of Cardinals. But he is not a valid Roman Catholic. His pronouncements have validated that. Whether is he a communist or just an idiot is beyond my purview. But his acceptance of abortion and his reticence in condemning the overt trading of aborted baby parts means he does not accept the Catholic doctrine and is a heretic.

And a despicable human being that pretends to believe in one thing, and lying to his followers about that belief.

I was a Catholic. Until this charlatan failed to condemn the trafficking aborted baby parts,

201. jim2 says:

At first I thought this is good news. But, maybe not …

Washington (CNN Business)Apple has approved Parler’s return to the iOS app store following improvements the social media company made to better detect and moderate hate speech and incitement, according to a letter the iPhone maker sent to Congress on Monday.
The decision clears the way for Parler, an app popular with conservatives including some members of the far right, to be downloaded once again on Apple devices.
The letter — addressed to Sen. Mike Lee and Rep. Ken Buck and obtained by CNN — explained that since the app was removed from Apple’s platform in January for violations of its policies, Parler “has proposed updates to its app and the app’s content moderation practices.”

On April 14, Apple’s app review team told Parler that its proposed changes were sufficient, the letter continued. Now, all Parler needs to do is to flip the switch.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/19/tech/apple-parler-app-store/index.html

202. jim2 says:

I’m not trying to goad anyone and I know for many faith is a sustaining and positive force. It can be a force for the good, but many times in the past it has been used to enrich the leaders and control the commoners.

Even when I was growing up, the Catholic Church told Hispanic people of our community they would go blind if they read the King James version of the Bible. And in times past, they sold worthless “indulgences.” The Catholic Church isn’t the only religion used by con men to shake down the people – just sayin’.

In the fifth century, the Roman Catholic Church filled the void in power caused by the collapse of the Roman Empire. In the place of the Roman emperor, the pope became the new religious and political authority in Western Europe. The power of the church rested in its status as the gatekeeper of heaven. Across the spectrum from kings to peasants, people were terrified of being denied access to paradise.

The church consolidated its power through economic dominance. Peasants were required to labor for the church for free during a portion of their working week. Additionally, everyone rich and poor had to tithe ten percent of their income to the church, but the church was free from taxation. Without baptism, people couldn’t go to heaven, and they had to pay to be baptized. The church also made massive amounts of money through the sale of indulgences, which gave absolution from sins.

https://www.enotes.com/homework-help/why-was-roman-catholic-church-powerful-during-995670

203. jim2 says:

Georgia’s Raffensperger Did It Too – Accepted $5 Million of ‘Zuckerbucks’ Says It Was Used for “Issuing Public Service Announcements” HUGE: Maricopa County Was Given$3 Million of ‘Zuckerbucks’ Before Election But No One Knows Who Received It and What It Was Used For!

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/huge-maricopa-county-given-3-million-zuckerbucks-election-no-one-knows-specifically-went-used/

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/georgias-raffensperger-accepted-5-million-zuckerbucks-says-used-issuing-public-service-announcements/

204. jim2 says:

DISTURBING DEVELOPMENT: Windham Officials to Choose “Windham Incident” FORENSIC AUDITOR in SECRET!

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/disturbing-development-windham-officials-choose-windham-incident-forensic-auditor-secret/

205. jim2 says:

FrankSpeech.com …

https://frankspeech.com/

206. E.M.Smith says:

@Another Ian:

I’d love to believe that article and that as of Today it is “all over but the shouting”… but there were many far far better opportunities to prevent this Coup, (And it was a coup), that didn’t manifest.

Now with the Communist / Socialist / Marxist / Democrat Party (but I repeat myself) firmly entrenched in power, it is even more unlikely that can be unseated.

So I’m just going to wait a week or three before I start cheering…

@Phil:

Not Catholic, but married to one and attending mass regularly…

I find this particular Pope not worthy of the title. For many reasons. But that does not taint the whole church, IMHO. “This [one] too shall pass”…

@Jim2:

Once one accepts the concept of “Hate Speech” and banning one accepts that SOMEONE will decide what is and what is not “Hate Speech” and that seat will eventually become the property of the most vile sucker after power and it will be used and abused to oppress everyone.

I saw that the very first time I heard the phrase “Hate Speech” decades and decades ago.

There is NO “Hate Speech”, only speech I hate… (for I = 1 to 8 Billion)…

BTW, FrankSpeech is down ATM. Don’t know if it is a DDoS or just too much success at the start…

207. H.R. says:

a) we discussed face masks, gloves. isolation, proper use and whatnot here on the Chiefio’s blog L-o-o-o-o-n-g before the Kung Flu was on anyone’s radar here in the U.S. I think (not sure) that most of the regulars here were doing gloves and masks while the YSM propagandists were pooh-poohing even minimal precautions

b) early on, no one here was sure wat we were up against, so we ( at least ‘I’ and I know some others here were PROPERLY using gloves and masks l-o-o-o-o-n-g before that EVIL (sorry-assed) Dr. Fauci began his wienie-clutching, duplicitous, waffle-waffle-waffling that contradicted, himself…… oh, on yearly, monthly, decadal-scale….. well, he’s just in the pocket of GEBs and above all, in it for himself, regarding…………….. well anything. Fauci = WEASEL! Jerrkwad! %$#&@!!)${}{!!!!!!!! EVIL!!!!!! Ohhh, I give up. I can’t convey my contempt for that worm.

208. Ossqss says:

@HR, ya know, we went to a packed restaurant to celebrate a couple of my sons accomplishments tonight. Packed I tell ya with nobody wearing a mask in it aside from staff. They insisted we wear a mask to our table in an open air environment as policy. WT* good was that aside from virtue signaling?

I also can say that the feeble plexiglass things they put up a couple feet selectively above the seating booths only made the vendors money and have zero impact of on sharing your exhale in a huge venue with 20′ ceilings. We live in a time of silly thoughts, and good salesmen.

Fauxcci is one of them. Do some research and you will see his decades long influence on financing what he pitches to his benefit. I should have saved the data I viewed a few days ago to his historical monetary power on the field of research and lineage to what is happening. He now calls gun control a public health issue.

Think of how well rebreathing expelled virus from a mask impacts your resisting an infection from anything. Nothing like concentrated rebreathing exhaust your body is getting rid of.

The conclusion in that paper says it all eloquently in a succinct way.

This was never about Covid. Even the CDC site states 6% of the deaths were attributed to Covid only and no other morbidities. 78% had an obesity problem, let along other morbidities typically associated with such. Think about that for a second, and look around as to how the world changed.

This is about weakening America and our Liberty. The last bastion of real freedom on the globe. Other countries have already succumbed to the degradation of such. No disrespect, just the facts.

209. YMMV says:

Ossqss says: “Fauxcci is one of them. Do some research and you will see his decades long influence on financing what he pitches to his benefit.”

Fauci involved with Chinese lab doing bat virus research. Fauci involved with at least one of the vaccines. Fauci with influence on what gets approved AND what does not. Fauci leading the Covid response. Fauci is a bat-faced liar.

Oh, BTW, on WUWT a while back a respected poster related his personal experience with trying to get something approved in previous years. Something like, you give me the rights and I will get it approved. He passed on that oh so generous offer.

210. E.M.Smith says:

Well, as things seem to be going a bit sideways, what say I give it a push? Eh?

How I’d like to see the world:

;-) of course…

211. another ian says:

212. E.M.Smith says:

@Another Ian:

That you did. And I just stated what I expect.

I’d love to see just ONE of the “Positive Spin” bit happen, but like Cold Fusion, I’ve entered the “Show Me” stage…

213. Ossqss says:
214. E.M.Smith says:

@Ossqss:

FWIW, its a nice touch to include some idea what a link points at when posting a link.

That one is about Red Bull testing positive for Covid in a fast test, and >97% false positives for PCR tests when cycles cranked up near 40.

215. Ossqss says:

@EM, I agree, but expedited posting while in a presentation limited my thought processes :-)

I just wonder how many people tested positive after they had a Red Bull the day they went? >

216. YMMV says:

Here’s a good one. Boris has created an “Antivirals Taskforce [which] will seek to develop innovative treatments you can take at home to stop COVID-19 in its tracks.” That’s good.
Do you think they will “discover” Ivermectin?

They do mention dexamethasone and tocilizumab.

Patrick Vallance, the government’s Chief Scientific Adviser, said that antivirals in tablet form could help protect people who could not have vaccines, and be a layer of defence in the face of new coronavirus variants of concern.

Over a year late, but better late than never. But that’s assuming something good comes out of committee.

217. YMMV says:

I didn’t notice the MSM reporting it, but the last Castro is calling it quits. To celebrate, the National Security Archive has released documents about CIA plans to assassinate Raul. Details of plans to arrange an airplane “accident” in 1960.

Fabian Escalante, retired chief of Cuban counterintelligence, estimated the number of assassination schemes or actual attempts by the CIA under separate US administrations to be 38 under Dwight Eisenhower, 42 under John F. Kennedy, 72 under Lyndon B. Johnson, 184 under Richard Nixon, 64 under Jimmy Carter, 197 under Ronald Reagan, 16 under George H. W. Bush and 21 under Bill Clinton. Figures for other US presidents whom Fidel outlived are unavailable.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/521505-raul-castro-cia-assassination-attempt/

218. E.M.Smith says:

@Ossqss:

No worries. Most of my “Nag Suggestions” are aimed at the broad audience and the person who gets “picked on” is just an easy target of opportunity ;-) “Mass Education By Example” …

@YMMV:

One wonders if anything will now change in Cuba… for better or worse…

Yeah, we’ve known about Ivermectin for what, about a year now? Maybe longer? I’ve used it twice on suspected onset… so far “all gone in a day”.

@Per PiHole / Unbound:

Installing PiHole on my Pi One B+ (500 MB memory) it tossed an “error’ saying that Devuan 3 is an unsuported OS. It also presents a “bypass OS check” version of the command that ran to completion just fine. Go figure…

I’m setting it up to have the PiHole point at unbound for DNS via encrypted connection. So far so good.

219. Compu Gator says:

jim2 commented on 20 April 2021 at 2:32 am GMT:

Even when I was growing up, […].

Here on the Chiefio blog, you might’ve hidden even th most generic info on your personal life more effectively than any other regular. In particular, I have no idea what decade you’re referring to when you write “when I was growing up“. Considering human lifespans, that seems most likely to have occurred in the 2nd 1/2 of the 20th Century, which ranges from the devoutly traditional days of “Thank you God for my survival of the War (i.e., W.W. II), to the anything-goes Novus Ordo days featuring a pope (i.e., J.P. II) kissing a Quran held by a Muslim cleric, and being annointed with dung &c. by a pagan priestess. Meanwhile, ordinary faithful in the pews began to realize that the revelations by the Boston Globe on pervasive pedophilia in the Church were were too well grounded to be devoutly dismissed as leftist “fake news”.

[…], the Catholic Church told Hispanic people of our community they would go blind if they read the King James version of the Bible.

You mean with the authority of the worldwide “Catholic Church“?  That’s an accusation made with a rather broad brush, don’t you think? Bishop, parish priest, “lay deacon”, or nun? Having graduated from my local parochial school, my primary guess would be an old nun’s tale told to a classroom of students at such a school. Hearing it from a parish priest from a pulpit seems quite unlikely to me.

Besides, what attraction would the English-only King James Version (often mistitled “Authorized Version”) [♚] have for “Hispanic people“?  Translations of the Church-approved Vulgate Bible into Spanish had been published since at least the late 19th Century, same as for the translations of the Vulgate Bible into English [✝]. Catholics reared with either one of those languges as their mother tongue have no need for the K.J.V. and its subtle changes for supporting Anglican heresies.

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Note ♚ : When the vast majority of people ponder the title King James Version (1604–1611), they think of the modern wealth of the British Crown, and assume that King James I (r. 1603–1625) generously paid the continuing expenses of Anglican clergy and university staff who collected the Biblical sources, performed the translations, and paid to typeset & print the resulting Bible. Ummm, no!  Being the monarch of England back in the late-16th & early-17th Centuries required finding ways to squeeze by with a continual shortage of money. So James did host the original meeting at Hampton Court. And he did grant sole-source privileges (“patents”?) to whomever would print & distribute the Bibles; that protected their efforts to profit, but he also left them with the problem of figuring out how to make any profits. And after all that, he never actually issued any kind of royal decree that declared those Bibles “Authorized“. How bad were the continual shortages of royal money?  Hey-yell, after English sailors saved England from the Spanish Armada, his immediate predecessor Queen Elizabeth I (r. 1558–1603) refused to pay the wages of the mustered sailors who’d fought for that historic victory. Hah!  “Good Queen Bess”,  my arſɛ!

Note ✝ : In early Christian centuries, it probably sufficed that the Vulgate Bible was the work of a major saint & doctor of the Church: Jerome (A.D. ca. 340–420), based on source-documents that had survived until the beginning of the 5th Century, retranslating or editing as he judged necessary. Centuries later, his version was formally & conclusively “approved” by a specific decision of the Council of Trent (1545–1563). (Its namesake city was then an imperial possession of the “German” or Holy Roman Empire, but is now the Trento of modern N. Italy.)

220. jim2 says:

Bless you, Compu Gator. I stated “in my community,” not “in the entire world.”

And, when I was growing up, we the children of our church attended services of other religions in order to see what they were like. These excursions were sponsored by our church.

I’m well over 60, if that helps with context.

221. philjourdan says:

@Jim2 – the way I hear it, the “improvements” are in parler users ability to filter content they deem offensive, which I have no problem with, This is a total cave by Apple As well it should be, Every time the MOTU censor, someone should post Martin Niemoeller’s quote.

222. philjourdan says:

@Jim2 – re: Religion and abuse. I acknowledge what you are saying and know it to be true. Any institution of man is bound to succumb to corruption over time and the Church has had its spells. But I am not seeing your point in the modern world. Are you alleging that the Abuses of medieval times are resurfacing? Or that there are new abuses?

223. philjourdan says:

@EMS – Re: Pope Frank

There are 2 interpretations of the word “Church”. IN the Catholic religion it is not the creed, but the actual body (people) of the faith. So in that interpretation, I am still a member of the Church (always capitalized). But as Pope Frank is the leader of the religion now, I am not a part of that. I have excommunicated myself from him I support the “Church”, but not the leader of the faith. (indeed, I do pro bono work for my parish, but I refuse services until this heretic is gone).

224. jim2 says:

PJ – No, I’m not alleging the abuses of the past are happening now. In my mind, the new abuse is the church getting into politics. Especially when the leanings are against the way of the USA. That’s what irked me into the rant. Again, I do understand religion is a comfort and guidepost to many.

225. philjourdan says:

BTW – hard to write infinity, but I think that is what you were going for in your response to Jim2. And I agree totally, There is a lot of speech I hate! And almost all of it on the left But I do not call for banning it. I simply ignore it. Which is my right, and the left should learn about it.

226. philjourdan says:

OSSqss – Re: celebrations – the correct term is Faucist. The 21st version of Fascist.

227. philjourdan says:

@Jim2 – FWIW – I never heard that in my communities. I am married to a Mexican with a Venezuelan adopted daughter. My wife converted to evangelical, and my daughter is as well. But at least she baptized my granddaughter in my faith, I do not doubt that some are as radical as you make them out to be, I only thank god that they are not here. I love my wife and daughter. But they have to find their own path.

I myself experimented with PYOC in my youth, That is what gave me a greater appreciation for my own faith. I am sorry your community was subjected to such bigotry,

228. philjourdan says:

@Jim2 – acknowledged and agreed to. Thanks for the clarification.

229. jim2 says:

PJ – We did live on the poorer side of town. It was a small-medium, 10’s of thousands, sized Southern town. And, you know, that’s what I heard. It’s not like I witnessed it first hand, so there’s that. I’m over the rant now anyways. It’s not like the CC is the only faith left-sliding.

Given the leftard-way so many people take nowadays, religion has a lot to offer that people could use.

230. H.R. says:

Apparently there is some rioting going on right now in the city that I moved away from to be out here even past the ‘burbs.

It apparently has to do with the Derek Chauvin trial verdict. No doubt the rioting was scheduled to go on regardless of the verdict.

The Big City has a Democrat Mayor. The city has been on a long decline for about 50 years and has been a lost cause for about 20 years. The ‘burbs have been infected and now they are creeping out our way, bringing the liberal loony policies with them. We should be dead or gone to ‘the old folks home’ by the time it fully reaches our area.

I have no clue nor any interest in what is going on there in town. What I’ve told y’all is all I know; rioting reported. A little? A lot? Widespread or concentrated? I don’t know.

It’s not going to spread our county. Our Red sheriff and our deputy sheriffs are not wired into the SJW , Marxist narrative… yet. Who knows whether or not the Borg will eventually absorb them?

But for now, the Commie Clowns will have to take their circus elsewhere.

231. another ian says:

Beware couch potatoea

“Covid: Biggest risk factor is not being fat or diabetic — but sitting still”

https://joannenova.com.au/2021/04/covid-biggest-risk-factor-is-not-being-fat-or-diabetic-but-sitting-still/

I guess rioting passes as exercise?

232. another ian says:

Red And Near Ginger A(I forget this bit) – RANGAs

More on that

Runs in our family – grandmother, sister, cousins. Can be volcanic at times.

233. another ian says:

CTH 2.0 UPDATE – Your Feedback To Find The Best Way Forward
April 20, 2021 | Sundance | 674 Comments”

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2021/04/20/cth-2-0-your-feedback-to-find-the-best-way-forward/

234. H.R. says:

We got hit by that snow system that swept across the Midwest. April snowstorms aren’t unusual, though they don’t hit every year. This is the latest one I can recall. All the others, when we got an April snow, were in the first or second week, aughts or teens dates. This is the first I can recall that hit on a 20-something date.

They have all been deep, wet, heavy snows and limb-breakers. The trees and bushes have leaves, or at least budded out and hold the snow. The streets are usually clear because the preceding days or weeks have been above freezing, so the pavement is warm.

These are beautiful snows because the snow builds straight up on every surface. What astonished me is that on my electric fence wire, about 12 or 14 ga., the snow is sitting on top to a height of two or three inches! It looks really cool and that is some serious, wet sticky, straight-down-with-no-wind snow. It’s a Winter Wonderland.

The wind will soon pick up and that’s when the weak branches will break. It’s nature’s way of pruning the weak wood, I suppose.

The snow will be all gone tomorrow. The forecast is for 50s (F) later today, and the forecast is for temperatures to climb into the 60s and 70s (F) over the next few days.

235. p.g.sharrow says:

We just had the strangest Thunder Storm yesterday evening before sundown. Instead of CRACK Boom of a normal passage, it was more of a loud hiss going over head like in a Big Jet engine in a long pipe. Several times in different directions and distances. only one small boom was heard in the whole time. Must have had something to do with acoustics in wind tunneling, Heavy rain and hail nearby but not here. A lot of Verga mist in the air.
Strawberries blooming and making fruit time of our year, last 2 years we lost the crop due to heavy hail. maybe we dodge that bullet this time…pg

236. E.M.Smith says:

https://www.jesus-is-lord.com/nobible.htm

Lots of sites saying the ban never happened. Yet there was at one time a ban on laymen reading the Bible for themselves. This is from the randomly chosen link above, but I’ve seen it in MANY other sources.

Roman Catholic “Church” Prohibited Bible Reading

The following is excerpted from an article by David Cloud entitled, “The KJV and the Latin Vulgate”.

The Council of Trent (1545-1564) placed the Bible on its list of prohibited books, and forbade any person to read the Bible without a license from a Roman Catholic bishop or inquisitor.
The Council added these words: “That if any one shall dare to read or keep in his possession that book, without such a license, he shall not receive absolution till he has given it up to his ordinary.”

Rome’s attempt to keep the Bible from men has continued to recent times. Pope Pius VII (1800-1823) denounced the Bible Society and expressed shock at the circulation of the Scriptures. Pius VII said, “It is evidence from experience, that the holy Scriptures, when circulated in the vulgar tongue, have, through the temerity of men, produced more harm than benefit.” Pope Leo XII called the Protestant Bible the “Gospel of the Devil” in an encyclical letter of 1824. Pope Gregory XVI (1831-1846) railed “against the publication, distribution, reading, and possession of books of the holy Scriptures translated into the vulgar tongue.” Pope Leo XII, in January 1850, condemned the Bible Societies and admitted the fact that the distribution of Scripture has “long been condemned by the holy chair.”

Dear Catholic friend, why do you think Rome prohibited Catholics, and others, from reading the Bible? Why do you think they killed over 50 million people and called them heretics for reading and believing the Holy Scriptures? Why did Pope Pius VII say that the Bible causes men more harm than benefit? Why would God’s word cause harm? The Devil and these fake religious leaders know that if you read the Bible with the intention of learning the truth, you will leave the false for what is true.

Over hundreds of years, the Catholic religion, headed by the popes, did unimaginable cruelties to Bible-believers. They were burned, tortured, imprisoned, banished, etc. because they would only believe the Bible.

FWIW:

I’ve attended Catholic Mass at times in my youth and more regularly since the spouse converted to Catholic. Even before her choice, I owned and read a “Catholic Bible”. In fact, I collected a bunch of Bibles (and read large parts of all of them). From the Dead Sea Scrolls (analysis, text, context) to the Gnostic Bible and on up through the Latin Vulgate, and a few different Protestant Bibles, also a “Parallel Bible” of 6 or so different versions (since given to a Pastor from a Black Evangelical Church that was damaged in a hurricane, rebuilt with volunteers from our local (and other) sister churches across the country and with my Son traveling there for the work).

I’ve also “collected churches” by visiting services from all manner of other faiths. AND often getting their Bible if it is different.

I’ve also spent hundreds of hours looking for differences in the various Bibles. My fundamental conclusion is that there’s not much different that matters AT ALL. FWIW, my favored Bible is the Peshitta Text. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peshitta It was originally written in Aramaic, the language Jesus spoke, and was not changed through the ages. The translation I have points out a few places where it is clearly more correct, often due to a single “dot” changing the meaning of a word. Camel vs Rope for example. Their text reads “it is easier for a rope to go through the eye of a needle, than a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.” Which makes a LOT more sense and the difference is a tiny ‘dot’ over one letter (easily missed, worn off, whatever). YET the fundamental meaning of the passage is not changed by that (probable) error.

Having gone “Down The Rabbit Hole”, I came to know about the source materials used, the translators, the traditions, and more. AND I came to understand those footnotes nobody cares about in some Bibles saying “Masoretic Text” or “Septaugint” or similar.

Basically, the first few hundred years of Christianity were chaotic. LOTS of texts lost and LOTS of texts just “made up” by folks. THE earliest New Testament copies are still a few hundred years after the fact. There have been ongoing efforts to find earlier (supposedly more accurate) copies. The Torah has done better, but isn’t perfect either, so the Old Testament has a few versions. The Masorites kept a copy going in one tradition. Their copy is from about 600 to 900 AD.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masoretic_Text Then there’s another group of Jews who lived in Greek Egypt and realized folks were not using Hebrew much, so did a translation and attempted preservation in Greek in about the 2nd or 3rd centuries BC. There were 70 scholars so it was name for “The Seventy” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint

Jerome did a very early Catholic Bible in Latin (called the Vulgate) from source materials many of which are now lost (as parchment does not last forever but gets copied…) in about the 4th Century AD. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulgate So “pretty early and pretty good”.

Now when you compare the Masoritic vs Septaugint vs Vulgate vs Other Source Material: THE biggest thing you find is just how much of it is IDENTICAL. The actual scriptural differences are typically minor to trivial. MOST of the difference I found were due to the language limits. For example: Greek has Single, Dual, and Plural. In Greek you can say “They (dual) entered the city” and know it is about 2 people. So “Mary & Joseph”. In translation there is no “Dual” in English. So we circumlocute. “Mary & Joseph” explicitly. Or “The two entered the city” or if context has us talking about Mary & Joseph we might just say “They entered the city”. BUT if we had “Mary & Joseph” talking with others the “they” would be ambiguous, so the translator will say “Mary & Joseph talked with Judas and …” now the choice… “The 2 of them entered the city” or “Mary & Joseph entered the city” or some other equivalent.

I had (have somewhere?) a parallel Greek / Hebrew / English etc. Bible and what I found was that BY FAR the differences were of that sort. Grammatical adjustments for the differences in the language and NOT in the meaning nor content.

That said:

There are BIG differences between the Catholic Bible and the Protestant, almost all of it in The Apocrypha. I’ve read the Apocrypha https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocrypha “cover to cover” in both the KJV and other modern versions. They just don’t matter much. The Maccabees for example is a not very religiously important recounting of the deeds of the Maccabees, largely a history of their battles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Books_of_the_Maccabees Interesting. Not much religion. Or the story of Daniel & The Lion. Same story but different telling. One wanders more than the other and is repetitive (IIRC the Apocrypha version). The KJV mostly differs in using older English forms compared to the modern, but same story and content. What Latin I have let me do some very limited comparison of the Vulgate and in all cases it matched current translations.

MY Big conclusion from this was that the folks who did professional translation for a living, especially with religious fervor, were far far better translators of Latin, Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic than I could ever be and got it far more right than I ever could. At that point, I moved on.

THE Bulk of all questionable activity vis a vis the Bible happened between 32 AD and 300 AD (round about). We have damn near no good history of what happened to the Bible then but we do know a lot of it was chaotic and some of it was fraudulent. Then the Council Of Nicaea tried to “fix it” in 325 A.D. and ended up throwing away a lot of historical material that would be incredibly useful today, but perhaps would also be heretical. Good luck with that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

Finally, the Muslim “issue” with the Christian Bible stems from there being a lost version. I knew the name of it once (and posted it here long long ago). It was from more of the Gnostic / Peshita linage IIRC. THAT was the Bible Mohammed held up as the true Bible. He held that the Nicaean version was invalid as it wasn’t the same as the version he had (read to him). THAT is the source of all the antipathy from Islam toward the Christian Bible. In reality, it will not have been that much different from our current Bible, mostly in including more books of Apocrypha and likely some bits of the Gnostic Bible. (I can likely dig up the name of it again if there’s a big interest). Note that even with that, most of it will be IDENTICAL with modern Bibles. The big difference being the omission of whole books deemed “not cannon” by the Nicaean Council or Gnostic bits deemed “blaspheme”.

Their version said Jesus was just a prophet (as in the Gnostic traditions) while the Catholics came up with this Holy Trinity idea that Father / Son / Holy Ghost are all one and the same. OK, I get it, central to Catholic Beliefs. But really, is that difference enough to slaughter each other over?

Other Minor Bits:

I have a Spanish Bible (2 I think, one old one new). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_translations_into_Spanish
They are again substantially the same (within my ability in Spanish) as the English and Latin versions (modulo limitations of a given language). IIRC mine is the Reina-Valera circa 1602 (electronic copy) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reina-Valera not the Catholic Biblia Torres Amat, so I can’t say how the Catholic Hispanic Bible differs from it.

Catholic translations
Catholic Bibles contain the entire canonical text identified by Pope Damasus and the Synod of Rome (382) and the local Councils of Hippo (393) and Carthage (397), contained in St. Jerome’s Latin Vulgate translation (420), and decreed infallibly by the Ecumenical Council of Trent (1570). Their official publication requires approval by the Holy See or conference of bishops.

The Bible was first translated into Castilian Spanish in the so-called Pre-Alfonsine version, which led to the Alfonsine version for the court of Alfonso X (ca. 1280).

The Biblia Torres Amat [es] appeared in 1825. Traditionalist Catholics consider this to be the best Spanish translation because it is direct translation from St. Jerome’s Latin Vulgate, like the English language Douay-Rheims Bible.

Of more recent versions, the first official translation of the complete Catholic Bible was done by Nácar-Colunga (1944), followed by Bover-Cantera (1947) and Straubinger (1944–51).

Oh, I also have a Douay-Rheims in bytes…

Of ALL the Bibles I’ve read, examined, and / or translated bits of, the only ones that I find “unsatisfying” are the “Modern Free Translations”. Yes, these are in a more approachable version of Modern English. Yes, they do not warp the meaning, nor fill it with garbage, and try to stay very close to the original intent. But…. It just isn’t quite right to me somehow. I’m more New Revised Standard with some KJV. The pattern of the words more closely follows the source material (i.e. some of the Greek, Hebrew & Latin ‘poetry of the language’ is preserved).

Probably much the way the various Popes felt about reading the Bible in English in stead of Latin and Greek… It’s “OK and gets the point across, bit it’s just a little wrong…” Not in meaning but in the feel of it.

Then Jehovah’s Witnesses: I have one of their Bibles too (along with my Book Of Mormon which is entirely different and layered on top of an English Bible like a “New New Testament” after the New Testament, so not really comparable. Yes, you get: Old, New, and Book Of Mormon so it is a big Bible…). The Jehovah’s Witnesses version gets to one other, IMHO minor, difference that a whole lot of folks get wound around the axle about: Is it an insult to state the Name Of God? The tetragrammaton. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetragrammaton Those 4 letters that make up the name of God (and by extension Jesus… if you believe in the Catholic Trinity).

Now some traditions (including Jewish) hold it is sinful and an affront to God to use the Name. Others say “it is not a valid translation if you change that.” From this you get a huge (and meaningless…) watershed between different religions. Jehovah’s Witnesses translate the tetragrammaton to Jehovah and print that where it is used in the source material. Others, like the KJV and similar, do various circumloctions. Inserting (always capitalized) Lord or Lord God, or He, etc. Now my POV is that you know when they are talking about God in either case, so No Big. But wars and persecutions have happened over this.

That is THE difference worth mentioning between the Jehovah’s Witnesses Bible and other Protestant / Catholic Bibles.

NOTE: All this is ONLY talking about their BIBLES, not the whole package of beliefs. That would take several books. Solo Scriptura vs Papal authority. Holy Trinity vs Jesus as Savior vs Jesus as just a Prophet (Christology). Speak the Name, or not. Is a statue of Mother Mary a forbidden Icon, or just a statue for the non-literate to get clue (Iconoclasts). As I’ve looked into those differences, I’ve generally found them to be interesting, sometimes even amusing. Suitable to debate in polite formats, but hardly something to even spill wine over, let alone blood.

Oh, and on wine: Another big divide is between the winos and the grape gobblers. The Hebrew (or maybe Greek?) word was ambiguous in English translation as to meaning grape juice fresh or grape juice fermented. Depending on where your church falls on that niggle, you get communion with grape juice (Welch’s was created for that purpose) or you get real wine. Again, wars fought over such.

Oh, and the Dunkers vs Drippers. Lots of contention over that. The Protestant Tradition tends to hold that you must CHOOSE so must be old enough to make that choice. Catholics get the Holy Water Dribble as soon as possible. I got dunked at 12. Does it really make a difference? Catholic Dogma holds that a 1 year old who dies without Baptism doesn’t make it to Heaven. Others hold that the innocent soul makes it, until old enough to choose, then you must choose wisely. Again, I’m seeing a lot more “Cranky Of Man” than “Word Of God” in all that.

Hopefully this summary of a few years of my life will be helpful in bringing more light than heat…

237. YMMV says:

another ian: “Covid: Biggest risk factor is not being fat or diabetic — but sitting still”

Jo Nova’s executive summary and the comments there are good. The paper itself
is not as readable https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/early/2021/04/07/bjsports-2021-104080.full.pdf but Table 2 is worth a glance (sorry about the poor formatting)

Outcome *Consistently inactive * Some activity * Consistently meeting PA guidelines * Total
Hospitalisation (10.5%) (8.9%) (3.2%) (8.7%)
Admitted to ICU (2.8%) (2.5%) (1%) (2.5%)
Deceased (2.4%) (1.5%) (0.4%) (1.6%)

Conclusion? somewhere between “Exercise is one heck of an anti-viral” and “healthier people have better outcomes”.

Eddie’s comments (#27) in the Jo Nova post are interesting, regarding the scandal of dissing Ivermectin because Big Pharma profits depend on it being suppressed.

The new goal for Big Pharma, finding a therapeutic … (IVM need not apply)

238. another ian says:

“China took Manufacturing, then Tech and the West gave them away. Now it’s come for biotech…”

https://joannenova.com.au/2021/04/china-took-manufacturing-then-tech-and-the-west-gave-them-away-now-its-come-for-biotech/

239. H.R. says:

The trouble with China taking U.S. manufacturing is that they have it, but they are not very good at it.

America is loosing, but hasn’t yet completely lost, its manufacturing expertise.

Due to quality problems, many American manufacturing companies were re-shoring the critical components they needed. Japan has learned that lesson, too.

I’m familiar with the topic since the company I was working for had a toe in each of those waters as well as Indonesia.

We also supplied a Houston company who made German, Japanese, and American material handling equipment. They tried the Chinese supply line and it did not end well. They wound up slowly moving the components they took from us and sent to China back to us.

There were more examples, but my point was and is, the Chinese don’t have a manufacturing tradition and thus cultural, generational knowledge of manufacturing processes and techniques.

240. The True Nolan says:

Planned depopulation? (More accurately called “genocide”.)
https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/pure-unalloyed-evil/
Mike Yeadon, microbiologist and former Vice President of Allergy and Respiratory Research at Pfizer, says: “If you wanted to depopulate a significant portion of the world, and to do it in a way that wouldn’t require destruction of the environment with nuclear weapons, or poisoning everyone with anthrax or something, And you wanted plausible deniability, whilst you had a multi-year infectious disease crisis; I don’t think you could come up with a better plan of work than what seems to be in front of me. I can’t say that’s what they’re going to do, but I cannot think of a benign explanation for why they are doing it.”

and

“It’s become absolutely clear to me, even when I talk to intelligent people, friends, acquaintances … and they can tell I’m telling them something important, but they get to the point [where I say] ‘your government is lying to you in a way that could lead to your death and that of your children,’ and they can’t begin to engage with it. And I think maybe 10% of them understand what I said, and 90% of those blank their understanding of it because it is too difficult. And my concern is, we are going to lose this, because people will not deal with the possibility that anyone is so evil…

“But I remind you of what happened in Russia in the 20th Century, what happened in 1933 to 1945, what happened in, you know, Southeast Asia in some of the most awful times in the post-war era. And, what happened in China with Mao and so on….

“We’ve only got to look back two or three generations. All around us there are people who are as bad as the people doing this. They’re all around us. So, I say to folks, the only thing that really marks this one out, is its scale.

“But actually, this is probably less bloody, it’s less personal, isn’t it? The people who are steering this … it’s going to be much easier for them. They don’t have to shoot anyone in the face. They don’t have to beat someone to death with a baseball bat, or freeze them, starve them, make them work until they die. All of those things did happen two or three generations back… That’s how close we are.

“And all I’m saying is, some shifts like that are happening again, but now they are using molecular biology.”

241. YMMV says:

H.R.: “The trouble with China taking U.S. manufacturing is that they have it, but they are not very good at it.”

Apparently. But there is another explanation. Don’t underestimate the Chinese. Don’t assume they are dumb or incompetent. They can make anything, which we know because they do make everything. The question is quality control. Are they bad at it, or is it our fault for accepting too much? What if we ask them to make it cheap and that’s exactly what they do?

242. philjourdan says:

@EMS – you do not need to tell me about the history of early Christianity. I took the course, And no, not from a Priest. A Methodist minister at a Catholic U.

The history is not pleasant or nice, It just is.
Something the idiots of today do not understand.

243. E.M.Smith says:

@Phil:

Wasn’t directed at you. Just a general data dump of my “few years” down the religion Rabbit Hole. Aimed at the general audience for anyone wondering about such, and maybe I can save them a few years of their life reading so Damn Much or at least give them some comfort that “someone who did it” found things far more alike than different and a LOT of nit harvesting to divide religions…

244. Power Grab says:

@The True Nolan re:
“Mike Yeadon, microbiologist and former Vice President of Allergy and Respiratory Research at Pfizer, says: “If you wanted to depopulate a significant portion of the world…”

I agree. TBTB appear to be suckering as many people as they can into doing things that are self-destructive. I’ve thought that for a long time. The infrastructure (for the most part) is being left standing while the humans are being led down the primrose path to self-destruction.

Now that the largest social media “carriers” have gotten serious about erasing the voices of people who know the truth and share it, and alternative carriers have arisen, I’m getting the feeling that some of the voices I’m hearing there are part of the Controlled Opposition and have taken up the banner of fooling those of us who have divorced ourselves from the legacy media.

So, my acid test is:

If the main point of the voices on the alternative media is ALL FEAR ALL THE TIME (like the legacy media), I’m just chalking their message up as Fear Porn and limiting my intake of it and/or taking it with a huge serving of salt.

245. H.R. says:

@YMMV – It’s not only QC, but process control and an understanding of the process.

For any given part, we’d often have problems with the the first lot. Note: They didn’t catch the problem or they did, but wanted to see if it was “good enough”. We’d send word about what the problem was. They’d do their voodoo and a month later and behind schedule, we’d get good parts.

A year or two later that part would again get a whole-lot rejection. Why? All the operators who originally made that part went back home. The new operators did not know what they were doing or how to do it and they didn’t know what was needed. Another rejection or two (and another month or three) and we’d be getting good parts again. The ‘new guys’ learned what it took to make that particular part.

(BTW, the parts we were getting were hydraulic fittings, subject to high pressures with million cycle expectations, and many dimensions were close tolerances. Threads and o-ring grooves were a particular concern. Flatness and surface finish always a concern.)

We didn’t have a few one-off incidences. It happened to most parts a few times each over the course of the 8 years I was there for the China sourcing. My first 4 years had U.S. sourced parts and we did not have those sorts of problems.

Another example: An elbow fitting that we’d been getting for a couple of years suddenly began to crack after just a cycle or two in the OEM’s standard runoff. Oh, that one was a show-stopper! We had to ‘stop the line’ from their facility, through our facility, through the importer, back to the Chinese machining company to the Chinese forging company.

It turns out that someone in China making the forgings decided to change the shape of the slug that was used in the forging. They just changed it out of the blue and no one knew. Hey, the forging looked like the right shape.

What happened was the material did not flow properly into the elbow portion of the forging die and left striations and a poor grain structure that was prone to cracking. Don’t know if the forging operators and foreman were shot or hung, but they went back to the correct slug and the problem was solved.

By and large, they don’t understand manufacturing and the underlying processes nor do they truly understand what the are trying to produce. Also, even given the performance specs for the final product that their process must meet, often they are ignored because it looks like or is close enough to what the customer wants that maybe they can use it.
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My daughter-in-law is Chinese born and became a U.S. citizen. She has her own business as a U.S. manufacturer’s advocate and compliance assurance watchdog. She spends several months a year in China.

She hates the Chinese manufacturers, They will deliver as I said, anything that hopefully the customer can use. Contracts and specifications are just suggestions.👈👈👈👈👈👈!!!!

One of her funnier stories was a job she was overseeing for “Pink” which is some sort of mall shop for younger women, I think.

So she went to China to check on the displays or whatever it was (I dunno much about what she took care of for Pink) and they wheeled out something that was kind-of pink.

It was all wrong, not even close enough for government work, but it was some sort of pink.

She went nuclear on the company. “Pink” has a trademarked shade, probably defined by spectrometer and a dozen other specs and she had reviewed it all with the company before production. She wasn’t approving payment until they had the right pink-whatever ready to ship, and I believe there were penalties for missing shipping dates. “Pink” was expecting this stuff for a nationwide rollout and campaign in their stores. (I’d guess it was all about Christmas sales. I dunno.)

What is amazing was that in two days, they had remade the entire order in the correct shade of pink and they got it to the docks in time to make on its scheduled container.

I’ll say one thing for Chinese manufacturing, they can produce a lot in a hurry and do it right, if you are holding a gun to their bank account and standing there looking over their shoulder (that’s her job! 😊👍)

My daughter-in-law and I would share Chinese manufacturing war stories from time to time. She’s also the one who told me about the workers who come to the cities, work in the factories a few years (they get pretty good), and then go back home, to be replaced with a newbie from the sticks. That solved my puzzlement over the good-good-good-BAD-good-good-BAD cycle we were seeing.

246. E.M.Smith says:

Probably ought to include this here. I gave a vague pointer at the idea above, but the key word is “anabaptism”:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabaptism

Anabaptists believe that baptism is valid only when candidates freely confess their faith in Christ and request to be baptized. This believer’s baptism is opposed to baptism of infants, who are not able to make a conscious decision to be baptized. Anabaptists are those who are in a traditional line with the early Anabaptists of the 16th century. Other Christian groups with different roots also practice believer’s baptism, such as Baptists, but these groups are not Anabaptist. The Amish, Hutterites, and Mennonites are direct descendants of the early Anabaptist movement. Schwarzenau Brethren, Bruderhof, and the Apostolic Christian Church are considered later developments among the Anabaptists.

The name Anabaptist means “one who baptizes again”. Their persecutors named them this, referring to the practice of baptizing persons when they converted or declared their faith in Christ even if they had been baptized as infants. Anabaptists require that baptismal candidates be able to make a confession of faith that is freely chosen and so rejected baptism of infants. The New Testament teaches to repent and then be baptized, and infants are not able to repent and turn away from sin to a life of following Jesus. The early members of this movement did not accept the name Anabaptist claiming that infant baptism was not part of scripture and was therefore null and void. They said that baptizing self-confessed believers was their first true baptism:

I have never taught Anabaptism…. But the right baptism of Christ, which is preceded by teaching and oral confession of faith, I teach, and say that infant baptism is a robbery of the right baptism of Christ.

— Hubmaier, Balthasar (1526), Short apology.:204

Anabaptists were heavily persecuted by state churches, both Magisterial Protestants and Roman Catholics, beginning in the 16th century and continuing thereafter, largely because of their interpretation of scripture, which put them at odds with official state church interpretations and local government control.
Anabaptism was never established by any state and therefore never enjoyed any associated privileges. Most Anabaptists adhere to a literal interpretation of the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5 – 7, which teaches against hate, killing, violence, taking oaths, participating in use of force or any military actions, and against participation in civil government. Anabaptists view themselves as primarily citizens of the kingdom of God, not of earthly governments. As committed followers of Jesus, they seek to pattern their life after his.

As my Amish Grandmother and Irish Catholic Grandfather “got over it” enough to create my Dad, and he as a 1/2 Irish Catholic “got over it” enough to marry Church Of England Mum (who moved to America… and took me to Baptist Church as it was the closest one we could walk to and she could not drive…) so I ended up “dunked” in the Anabaptist Tradition, in a First Southern Baptist Church… yet they are formally not anabaptists – go figure…

There’s a wonderful graphic here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Christian_denominational_families

Unfortunately the original is “without text” and so somewhat useless unless I did a screen capture of the article…

The basic image is a line graph of the dividing of Christianity with the key points of division over time. Kind of lays out the evolution nicely.

It also reminded me that the Bible of Mohammed was Nestorian:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestorianism#Nestorian_Schism

Essentially the Nestorian Schism P.O.’d Mohammed and he set about his own way. The Goat ate his Nestorian Bible, so ever since Islam has held there is no True Bible (despite huge proof to the contrary and quibbles over some minor bits) and that Christianity is wicked due to Idolatry, The Trinity Doctrine, a corrupted Bible, etc. (despite many of those complaints also arising in Protestant vs Catholic disputes… Apparently Muslims don’t quite ken that Baptists also think Catholics have Idols and do not allow images of Christ, Mary, et. al. in the church… and that The Trinity is not Dogma to many types of Protestants…)

In 431 Theodosius called the Council of Ephesus. However, the council ultimately sided with Cyril, who held that the Christ contained two natures in one divine person (hypostasis, unity of subsistence), and that the Virgin Mary, conceiving and bearing this divine person, is truly called the Mother of God (Theotokos, meaning, God-bearer). The council accused Nestorius of heresy, and deposed him as patriarch.[ Upon returning to his monastery in 436, he was banished to Upper Egypt. Nestorianism was officially anathematized, a ruling reiterated at the Council of Chalcedon in 451. However, a number of churches, particularly those associated with the School of Edessa, supported Nestorius – though not necessarily his doctrine – and broke with the churches of the West. Many of Nestorius’ supporters relocated to the Sasanian Empire of Iran, home to a vibrant but persecuted Christian minority. In Upper Egypt, Nestorius wrote his Book of Heraclides, responding to the two councils at Ephesus (431, 449).

Such are the things of 1500 year Blood Feud made… “Christology”, the nature of the Christ. Just a man and Prophet? Or “one with God” as a dual being? When nobody can really know…

My Father broke with the Catholic Church when he took my eldest sister in for her infant baptism. The priest refused, as his wife was not a Catholic… To my Father, this was a gross insult. Potentially dooming his new child to Hell & Damnation should she die unbaptised. He left the Catholic church and never attended again. Yet, on his death bed, took Catholic rites for the dying.

My Sisters, to the best of my knowledge, ended up in a few different Protestant churches. Not sure just which. One sister attended a Baptist College so I think is still Baptist. Another I think is Episcopalian. I’m a Religion Mutt. Attended with Mum, at various times: Southern Baptist, FIRST Southern Baptist (yes, they ARE different), Methodist, Lutheran, Episcopalian, and did her Eulogy in the Catholic Church as she had converted (but only after Dad had died…). On my own I’ve attended Mormon, Presbyterian, Protestant, Jehovah’s Whitnesses, Catholic, Evangelical (not sure the exact flavor, but 2 of them at least), Buddhist and maybe a few more that are not top of mind… Oh, and Jewish Temple for a couple of funerals and weddings.

So yeah, I’ve “been around” the religion wheel a bit…

Thus my “down the Rabbit Hole” years.

In the end, my conclusion is that there is much in the Judeo-Christian heritage of merit. The things that divide the different churches and temples is more minor than major. Often petty squabbles over things that Can Not Be Known. So now I just call myself “Non-Denominational” and move on.

Full Disclosure: I have a Ph.D. in religion from a diploma mill Seminary and I’m technically an ordained minister. I also have, also technically, attained Master Druid rank. (Did I forget to mention the Druids in my past?….) So I’m quasi “into this stuff”, in an “In your face and up your nose” radical kind of way… Dual Major: Christ major, Druid minor. Hey, it’s a thing…

What happens when a Marginal Aspe meets a curious diving force in society… he just must answer “WT? is this all about and why are so many people dying over it”… and answer came there: “stupidity and artifice”…

247. H.R. says:

YMMV: “Don’t assume they are dumb or incompetent. They can make anything, which we know because they do make everything. The question is quality control.”

I don’t assume and didn’t imply the Chinese were dumb. Not at all.

And in my tales of woe just above, noted that the workers are incompetent in manufacturing until they learn how to make a particular something…. but typically, their workers go back home to the sticks after a few years and so it starts all over again.

And they don’t know manufacturing like generations of Americans who worked as machinists, sheet metal workers, and assemblers, and in the foundries and learned from their grandfathers and dads and uncles, and then their moms and aunts during and after WWII.

BTW, we are losing that here in America; manufacturing and farming. EVERYBODY knew a little or a lot of something about both manufacturing and farming in 20th Century America. You made things or grew things. If you made things, you had family who farmed. If you grew things, you had family who went to work in the factories. The bankers and shopkeepers all knew the farmers and the factory workers. American culture.

I have worked in two of those companies, small towns and everyone had ties to each other and the company, and they knew what they were doing. Those were the Made In The USA products that people mourn not being able to get any more.

It takes years to learn to be an accomplished machinist or tool and die maker or heat treat operator or high skilled assembler (those that assemble to print and not just on the line). And we had families that made stuff and everyone just grew up absorbing a lot of manufacturing knowledge.

So when I say the Chinese don’t know manufacturing, I’m not saying they are dumb, they just need another 40 years to develop a manufacturing culture the likes of which was done in the USA.
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And the other problem is this cultural difference, and it is real. Contracts and specifications are suggestions. The embedded culture: “You want a sword? I’ll make you sword. Here it is. I made it in a way I think you will like. Isn’t it a beauty?”

“You asked me to make you something. I made you something.” That’s Chinese Craftsman culture. What they make, it’s a handmade beauty… but you took what the craftsman produced.

So Americans order a sword and specify materials, hardness, dimensions, polish and other finishes, grip material, and whatever else. All specified in a contract, including payment terms and delivery schedules.

The Chinese manufacturer with the business mentality of a craftsman says, “Oh, he wants a sword. I’ll make him a sword.”

Comes delivery: Customer… “That’s not what we ordered.”

Manufacturer: “But you ordered a sword. I made you a sword. What’s the problem?”
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And that goes to the poor QC you mentioned. The manufacturer’s employees are all on the same page. “Hey, this guy wants a sword. We’re all gonna make him a sword.”

At every step of the way, if it’s looking like a sword, then it’s good enough. If the blade isn’t the hardness specified, oops! what’s the big deal. It looks like a sword. The customer will be delighted to get a sword. If the blade is 6″ short, well it’s what we had around the plant and it’s a sword blade and it looks like a sword. And so on down the line and out the door.

The American customer hits the roof. The product isn’t to spec.

So, heads roll, problems are fixed the next time or the time after. Then it gets made to spec until all the key people, who learned what those crazy, darned picky Americans wanted, leave and go back home. Then it’s back to just sword making until the customer hollers again.

The Chinese don’t have many people that understand manufacturing as a culture. Sadly, America has fewer and fewer who do.

248. jim2 says:

Maybe the workers in Communist China simply aren’t motivated by a bunk in a dormitory and a bowl of gruel.

249. H.R. says:

P.S. To YMMV. The bold was to make it clear I have no illusions aspersions about the intelligence of the Chinese or anyone. People are smart everywhere, in every country, in roughly the same proportions.

No anger or nuttin’ in the bold. Just emphasis. 👍 I didn’t think you were clear about my point of China not knowing manufacturing… yet. Not like the American manufacturing powerhouse we once had.

I definitely was not clear in my earlier comment why contracts are suggestions in China. They are transitioning from farmers/craftsmen and shopkeepers to businessmen/manufacturers. It will take years to do that.

250. Ossqss says:

@HR, snow system.

What I see is a couple more weeks of such in a hood near you..

Just sayin, the modeling is showing, not so good of things for that Lattitude.

Play the lottery ;-)

251. H.R. says:

@jim2 – There is some of that, but even those in a bunk getting their bowl of gruel eventually earn enough to go back to their village, buy a pig and a few chickens, and they are livin’ large compared to when they left the farm.

And there is some out and out slave labor. Who do think makes those little umbrellas that go into those frou-frou drinks? And Nike shoes?

Really, they are getting a bit of a middle class in China, and that’s a dangerous thing for Chairman Xi. he, and the Party know that,

BTW. China had to go to ‘Commie-lite’ or the country was going to explode once again. I’m not sure where China would wind up politically and the economic system that would prevail, but the top dogs in the CCP would have been toast if they had insisted on keeping the system that our American crop of Commies** is pursuing here in the States as an ideal. The Chinese at large are running from the old commie economic model.

The factory turnover problem is real, too.

**Dumbasses

252. H.R. says:

@Ossqss – gotcha loud and clear on the weather tip. What I’m seeing are waves.

It’s a week or so of warming, decent to really nice weather, then a plunge to something ridiculous.

I’ve seen this before and sometimes it runs all the way through June and July. Well all but the 6″ of snow part.

I’m holding off on my garden this year. I’m not feeling lucky. The last frost-free date should be the long-term date of 3rd week in May.

That’s the latest frost date going back to the mid-1800s.

If we start having frosts past that date, I’m moving to Florida year ’round :o)

253. YMMV says:

@H.R., Ah, the problems of writing, or rather, of language itself. Imperative doesn’t have a subject. Who thought that one up? So it’s not clear. Just to make it clear, my “don’t underestimate the Chinese” was not directed at you, but rather at everybody who thinks the Chinese cannot make good products.

I do thank you for your insights as to the actual problems. Perhaps we even agree, who knows. My idea was that they could if they wanted to, but due to cultural differences, traditions, or something, they produce down to the standard that we will accept. That we accept shoddy stuff is our own fault.

With cultural differences it’s best not to make assumptions. Apocryphal example? In WW2, Americans in England were used to propositioning girls, expecting the girls to say no. English girls were not used to saying no because English guys were less brash and didn’t ask. Maybe that’s bunk.

I expect China to follow the pattern of Japan. Japan was regarded as incapable (by some) and their products were junk, once upon a time. Not anymore. China in 40 more years? Probably less.

254. H.R. says:

@YMMV – I worked for a Japanese-owned company.

For 5 years, I was mentoring the son of the owner of the company. He was the same age as my son. His kids call me “Uncle Mustache.”

About 8 years ago, his father stepped aside and now he is the CEO. Headquarters are in Japan, as are 3 manufacturing facilities. They have the U.S. company, where I was, and, another location in Indonesia.

They had a location in China, but have since shut it down and moved that production back to Japan. Some of the reasons for the move back to Japan are what I outlined. Particularly the labor pool and the turnover.

Japan has learned to make things. Many of the guys in the shop on the floor have college degrees. Manufacturing is honored and respected and they now have grandfathers, fathers, and sons and uncles and cousins who have worked and have learned what the heck they are doing and share that knowledge. It’s now generational and cultural.

Japan wanted to learn to make things. They have limited resources, so they import materials, make stuff, and export the results. To compete on the World market, and they are particularly proud of competing against American and in America against American companies, they got good at manufacturing. It took 30 years or so before they really took off as serious competition.

China can do it. The leadership wants the manufacturing because it is a source of power and wealth. But it will take years, and the factors I mentioned are an impediment.
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Hmmmm… perhaps jim2 hit on one of the keys. You need a willing workforce that wants to learn, wants to be in the shop, loves making things, takes pride in their output, and passes that attitude along to their children.

You can’t just assign people to go make stuff, particularly barely paid or unpaid, and expect them to love what they do and want to make a living at it. They only do what they are told and if there’s an easier way (not better) they will do it. “They pretend to pay us. We pretend to work.”

Anyhow, China is like any other country at the beginning of an industrial revolution, and they have years to go.

255. jim2 says:

China warned Thursday “serious consequences” await Australia after it tore up a Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) agreement between the two countries, cautioning “serious harm” to relations remain possible along with unspecified economic coercion against a country that refuses to be bullied.

Canberra pulled the deal late Wednesday, as Breitbart News reported, in a move destined to provoke Beijing but justified by the conservative coalition government as necessary to prevent Australia hosting a giant infrastructure scheme “used for propaganda.”

256. E.M.Smith says:

Oh, and as a sidebar on Muslims vs Bibles:

In theory, if you start from the Peshitta text and delete a few books, you get very very close to the Bible that Mohammed lost:

This wiki ignores the question of “Biblical Hebrew” being substantially the same as Aramaic in use and character, but yes, the Old Testament was translated from whatever the old version of the Jewish language was at the time, into Syriac Aramaic for this Bible. IMHO, more like translating between dialects than alien languages.

There is some question as to just what language the New Testament books were originally written in for several reasons. Aramaic was highly likely for some, but some / most of the authors spoke Greek and Latin in the era too. Then there are the “Letters” to other churches that might have been written in the native language of the destination, or in a lingua franca of the era. Folks spend endless years tying to prove one or the other. What is clear is that once the translation to Aramaic happened, no further changes happened. MOST of it was likely originally in Greek in some original documents, as the Roman Empire of the East used Greek; however many of the Apostles were native speakers of Aramaic and there is an assertion it was transmitted to the Syriac Aramaic in Judeo-Aramaic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Aramaic_languages

Note, too, that it ignores the point that “Syriac” is essentially a dialect of Aramaic as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriac_language

The Syriac language (/ˈsɪriæk/; Classical Syriac: ܠܫܢܐ ܣܘܪܝܝܐ‎ / Leššānā Suryāyā, Leshono Suryoyo), also known as Syriac Aramaic (Syrian Aramaic, Syro-Aramaic) and Classical Syriac (in its literary and liturgical form), is an Aramaic language that emerged during the first century AD from a local Aramaic dialect that was spoken in the ancient region of Osroene, centered in the city of Edessa.

So most likely this translation happened very early from earlier sources and then was unchanging.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peshitta

The Peshitto (Classical Syriac: ܦܫܺܝܛܬܳܐ‎ or ܦܫܝܼܛܬܵܐ pšīṭto) is the standard version of the Bible for churches in the Syriac tradition, including the Maronite Church, the Chaldean Catholic Church, the Syriac Catholic Church, the Syriac Orthodox Church, the Malabar Independent Syrian Church ( Thozhiyoor Church),the Syro Malankara Catholic Church, the Malankara Marthoma Syrian Church, the Assyrian Church of the East and the Syro Malabar Catholic Church.

The consensus within biblical scholarship, although not universal, is that the Old Testament of the Peshitto was translated into Syriac from Biblical Hebrew, probably in the 2nd century AD, and that the New Testament of the Peshitta was translated from the Greek. This New Testament, originally excluding certain disputed books (2 Peter, 2 John, 3 John, Jude, Revelation), had become a standard by the early 5th century. The five excluded books were added in the Harklean Version (616 AD) of Thomas of Harqel.

Mohammed lived from 570 to 632 AD, so it is not clear if he used the Peshitta from before or after the Harklean additions. But my guess would be that the last 16 years of his life being the only overlap, it was the “before”. Islamic scholars can date that better via his probable age at the time the goat ate his Bible.

This was the Bible used all over the area where he lived and preached. It is almost certainly the one he used. To say it is irretrievably lost is, in my opinion, a “convenient artifice” of the Islamic Clergy for their own purposes.

In a detailed examination of Matthew 1–14, Gwilliam found that the Peshitta agrees with the Textus Receptus only 108 times and with the Codex Vaticanus 65 times. Meanwhile, in 137 instances it differs from both, usually with the support of the Old Syriac and the Old Latin, and in 31 instances it stands alone.

To this end, and in reference to the originality of the Peshitta, the words of Patriarch Shimun XXI Eshai are summarized as follows:

“With reference to … the originality of the Peshitta text, as the Patriarch and Head of the Holy Apostolic and Catholic Church of the East, we wish to state, that the Church of the East received the scriptures from the hands of the blessed Apostles themselves in the Aramaic original, the language spoken by our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and that the Peshitta is the text of the Church of the East which has come down from the Biblical times without any change or revision.”

In the first century CE, Josephus, the Jewish historian, testified that Aramaic was widely spoken and understood accurately by Parthians, Babylonians, the remotest Arabians, and those of his nation beyond Euphrates with Adiabeni.

Then there’s this:

Yigael Yadin, an archeologist working on the Qumran find, also agrees with Josephus’ testimony, pointing out that Aramaic was the lingua franca of this time period. Josephus’ testimony on Aramaic is also supported by the gospel accounts of the New Testament (specifically in Matthew 4:24-25, Mark 3:7-8, and Luke 6:17), in which people from Galilee, Judaea, Jerusalem, Idumaea, Tyre, Sidon, Syria, Decapolis, and “from beyond Jordan” came to see Jesus for healing and to hear his discourse.

A statement by Eusebius that Hegesippus “made some quotations from the Gospel according to the Hebrews and from the Syriac Gospel,” means we should have a reference to a Syriac New Testament as early as 160–180 AD, the time of that Hebrew Christian writer.
The translation of the New Testament is careful, faithful and literal, and the simplicity, directness and transparency of the style are admired by all Syriac scholars and have earned it the title of “Queen of the versions.”

Which is why I think it is the version that is most accurate and true to the original texts, and why I’m pretty sure that the one Mohammed used was not irretrievably lost, just conveniently lost.

Oh, and most of it is identical to other versions. Only minor differences in most places, plus a few of merit (like camel vs rope through the eye of a needle). IMHO if you really want the earliest most accurate Bible possible, get a Peshitta source translation.

257. cdquarles says:

Hmm, I just may look at that, our most gracious host.

In other news, how did I miss this: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/04/07/the-imaginary-climate-crisis-how-can-we-change-the-message-a-talk-by-richard-lindzen/? I love his medical metaphors, by the way.

258. cdquarles says:

Re weather, as H.R. states, it is “wavy” this year. This year has been a lot like 1974, weather wise. “Warm” then “cold” then “warm” then “cold”, gradually trending up from winter through spring into summer and then down from summer to autumn to winter. In 1974, the week before Memorial Day, we had a dryish front come through with strong northerly/northwesterly wind dropping the overnight low to 34. In. Late. May! Mind you, we have had evaporational snow *into* May, on occasion; though only in early May.

This latest system dropped little to no precipitation on me, with the main part going north of me and the secondary part going south of me; but we did see an overnight low of 32F, for around an hour just before daybreak. The canonical date for last freeze, here, is after Easter. Easter, being cyclical, has a latest date of around April 20. I cannot recall a freeze after then, in over 60 years. Near it, yes; and if not windy, some frost too. Some years we don’t get freezes, either; though most years do see them, mostly in January and February. Forecast next week has 80s in it. I will like that.

259. another ian says:

“The new battlefront in war is election machines”

https://joannenova.com.au/2021/04/the-new-battlefront-in-war-is-election-machines/

260. Jim Masterson says:

@cd:

I missed it too. I especially liked the comment by C.P. Snow:

Once or twice I have been provoked and have asked the company how many of them could describe the Second Law of Thermodynamics. The response was cold: it was also negative. Yet I was asking something which is the scientific equivalent of: Have you read a work of Shakespeare’s?

It’s amazing how often people state something about the 2nd Law and are either completely wrong or far from being correct. The silly comments about entropy on the WUWT “Noonworld” post need some correction. However, it would require many paragraphs, and I’m not so inclined to provide them.

Jim

261. Ossqss says:

From 1965 >>>

262. cdquarles says:

@Jim M,
I am perusing said post. I see what you are saying. Seems that the old “Telephone Line” children’s game is at work here with respect to some physics concepts. I also think some are conflating that fact that gases and liquids are fluids, but the physical properties are not necessarily the same; so do not push flows/fluxes too far. The same, I say, with light and heat. Heat is internal kinetic energy of a sample of matter. Light is electromagnetic radiation. Conversion between them happens; but they are not the same thing in nature.

263. H.R. says:

That clip was great, Ossqss.

And here we are today.

264. philjourdan says:

@EMS – re: history of religion.

Nor was my response really directed at you, Just a statement of knowledge for those who were unaware. I do not question your knowledge in as far as it is well researched,

265. E.M.Smith says:

@CDQuarles:

“Heat” in the English language is ambiguous. There are 2 orthogonal meanings. “Heat” as kinetic energy and “Heat” as “to supply additional thermal energy”. Many traps are laid between those two meanings. In physics, as I recall it, properly used, “heat” means to supply thermal energy. Yet we have “heat of fusion” for melting / solidifying to confound things.

For “Climate Malarkey” we really need to force “the opposition” to define which they mean…

@Jim Masterson:

My favorite, whos source is lot in the misty memory of Long Long Ago, for explaining the Laws to others is:

1) You can’t Win.
2) You can’t Break Even.
3) You can’t quit the game.

;-)

266. Jim Masterson says:

@EM:

My favorite law simplifications are:

1) The first law says you can’t win–only break even or lose;
2) The second law says you can only break even at absolute zero; and
3) The third law says you can’t reach absolute zero.

Jim

267. jim2 says:

The Arizona Democratic Party filed a lawsuit Thursday aimed at halting the state Senate audit of 2020 election results in Maricopa County.

The suit, brought forward by Maricopa County supervisor Steve Gallardo, alleges the audit is led by partisan contractors hired by the Republican-controlled Senate.

Gallardo, the lone Democrat on the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors, said he was also concerned about ballot security and confidentiality.

“The sole reason for this lawsuit and injunctions is to protect the sanctity of the ballots and more importantly to preserve voters’ privacy from a sham audit that has been corrupted by agitators and conspiracy theorists,” Gallardo said in a tweet.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/breaking-big-az-democrats-file-last-minute-suit-maricopa-county-attempt-stop-senate-audit-2020-election-results/

268. E.M.Smith says:

@Jim2:

“Smith’s First Law Of Complaint”:

The magnitude of the opposition to an audit is directly proportional to the original Fraud.

And there’s a whole lot of opposition going on…

269. E.M.Smith says:

without comment (much)

270. H.R. says:

Hey! Hey! Hey! The things I have in my basement…

I stumbled across a copy of The Klingon Dictionary, by Marc Okrand.

It’s both English to Klingon and Klingon to English and is the Star Trek Official Guide to Klingon Words and Phrases.

It also includes fundamental grammar rules, a precise pronunciation guide, commands in Clipped Klingon, proper use of affixes and suffixes, conjunctions, exclamations, superlatives, and simple and complex sentence structure.

ISBN 0-671-74559-X
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Show of hands; who keeps their copy on the nightstand, just in case Klingons show up in the middle of the night?
😎

271. E.M.Smith says:

Not on the nite stand but…. I DID criticize the pronunciation of Klingon in Star Drek Discovery as not right ….. so does that count as something?… I mean, I’m not fluent in Klingon, but I can tell bogus diction and pronunciation when I hear it…

And who doesn’t remember “One, or BOTH?”…

272. another ian says:

For the G & T followers to add a flourish to their anti-Peking-Pox preparations

“Alton Brown Prepares a Refreshing Gin and Tonic While Explaining the Expansive History Behind the Cocktail”

https://laughingsquid.com/alton-brown-makes-gin-and-tonic/

273. H.R. says:

@another ian – If I need a sit-in-the -sun tall iced drink, I prefer a gin & tonic.

Somewhere a month or three ago on this blog, there was a link to a host of gins and their contents. We were discussing juniper as well as other ingredients in gin that were also anti-Wuhan Flu agents. Oh, there was a history of gin on some page in that link.

So we should all be up to speed on Gin. What I wasn’t aware of were the tonic syrups, and it seems the one in that Alton Brown video was made in South Carolina (I think).

The tonic he used sounded really good; quinine, cane sugar syrup, lemongrass, and citrus – I’m guessing orang and lemon oils for the citrus.

That was a good video on gin & tonic. I’d really like one just like the G & T he made in that video. I doubt that I’ve ever had one as good as that.

Nice find. Thanks.

274. Ossqss says:

Interesting, and we thought climate modeling is bad, and it is.

https://www.aier.org/article/the-failure-of-imperial-college-modeling-is-far-worse-than-we-knew/

275. Simon Derricutt says:

On Thermodynamics…. Jim M’s simplification:
1) The first law says you can’t win–only break even or lose;
2) The second law says you can only break even at absolute zero; and
3) The third law says you can’t reach absolute zero.

The laws depend on average values, and apply while the numbers of particles or timespan are large enough that we can treat heat as being a perfect fluid. Once you get down to the scale of single particles or single energy transactions they do not apply, even though most people insist that they still do apply. This also means that experimental evidence of them being violated is ignored as experimental error.

The first law is violated all the time by the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. You can think of this as a withdrawal from the Heisenberg Energy Bank, where the time you can take it out drops the more you take. However, there doesn’t seem to be any limit on the amount withdrawn. Of course, this was used as a reason to say Heisenberg was wrong to start with, but it does seem to be true nonetheless.

For the 2nd Law, I’d state it as that you have to do work to send heat from a colder body to a warmer one. Heat only naturally flows from hot to cold, and if you want to reverse that you must consume energy. However, again when you’re dealing with small numbers of particles it can be violated. For example, if I get the timing just right on a billiard table, I can send a slow ball across to hit a faster one travelling at right angles, and the slow ball stops and the fast ball gets faster. Once you get the scale right and are dealing with the particles individually (that carry the kinetic energy we call heat) then violating the 2nd law is easy in theory. It’s just difficult to make the violation large enough to be practically useful, unless you just want to light an LED. Once we see that the kinetic energy has no direction (it’s a scalar), but it must be carried by a particle that thus has a momentum vector, and the right field will affect the momentum of all such particles in the same direction (so random directions become directed and non-random), then we should be able to design something that turns heat into usable energy (that is, particles going in the same direction, or a wind) we can then do work with.

For the 3rd law, people have used lasers to totally stop atoms from moving in an array. Of course, temperature as a definition gets somewhat iffy with small numbers and low temperatures anyway. Plus there’s always the problem of measuring precisely where that atom is (Heisenberg again). Is it actually still moving, or is it just that we can’t measure precisely where it is because it’s a wave anyway? Still, if the average place we see it to be isn’t moving, is it OK to say it’s stopped? In any case, if we have a particle moving in free space with no gravity or other forces acting, and we choose that particle as the origin of our frame of reference, then in that frame the temperature of the particle is at absolute zero, or at least as low as it can get.

The thing to note here is that these are practically-useful laws, but they have limitations beyond which they don’t apply. It is difficult, but not impossible, to design the situations where they don’t apply. We define heat as a scalar, where we can have any value of a continuum, but in fact it’s carried by particles which have momentum, and this (quantised) vector property makes possible things that are impossible for a scalar.

276. E.M.Smith says:

@Simon:

My favorite example of “it is different at the atomic level” vs gas is the little compressed air “coolers” where you blow air into a vortex tube and sort the atoms into fast and slow moving, blowing hot out one end and cold out the other… You don’t set out to change the temperature / energy content of the atoms, but rather to sort them…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex_tube

The vortex tube, also known as the Ranque-Hilsch vortex tube, is a mechanical device that separates a compressed gas into hot and cold streams. The gas emerging from the “hot” end can reach temperatures of 200 °C (392 °F), and the gas emerging from the “cold end” can reach −50 °C (−58 °F). It has no moving parts

But try telling someone that the air around them has a 250 C “temperature” range in the atoms… or that they are being hit by 200 C air molecules… (Yes, I know, the compressing changes the temperature range somewhat… but the device isn’t doing a spectral sort either…)

I also think this is ignored by the Global Warming radiative gas folks…

So there’s one example of “sorting atoms” to get the work you want. Hot or cold. An existence proof of sort that the idea of sorting atoms isn’t that far fetched.

Now you just need a Momentum analog to the vortex tube ;-)

277. cdquarles says:

Simon has nailed it. In mathematical terms, consider the differences (potentially) between the properties of elements of a set and those of the whole set. Keeping in mind that mathematics is an abstraction and thus does not have to correspond with reality, in full. So long as it is good enough to be useful within its limits, that’s fine.

Oh, that reminds me, nothing in reality has to be waving, as such, in the case of the very fast or very small or both; for the mathematical abstraction to be useful, again, within its limits.

278. cdquarles says:

About the 250C “temperature range” among the gaseous constituents of air? I have no problem seeing that as reality. At STP and at mean sea level, the atoms/molecules of air are moving at about 1 km/sec. Some faster, some slower; yet the “average” KE will be virtually identical.

It seems that people have forgotten that gases are compressible (up to a point), because the space between constituents is *much* larger than the space each occupies (which is why all gases in normal surface conditions are miscible) and that “heavy” constituents still diffuse to the top, in proportion to their concentration, all the way up.

279. jim2 says:

It’s clear that the Nevada Secretary of State is doing a sloppy job addressing 2020 Election complaints with tens of thousands of issues still outstanding, but she appears to have an agenda to disregard the most significant issue in Nevada in the 2020 election – signatures were not checked on the ballots received in the state’s 2020 election and anyone could have sent in a ballot for anyone and signed it and no one would know.

280. p.g.sharrow says:

@Jim2, any serious vote count fraud can only take place with the consent of those that regulate and enforce the laws involved. As AL Gore said “if there is no enforcement then there is no criminality.” In every case of major count fraud we know that the people in charge were in on it and are now doing everything that they can to prevent audit. Democrat or Republican, they are all dirty and prove it by their action or inaction and their attempts to stop any outside investigation..

281. p.g.sharrow says:

I should add that I was once involved in a voting fraud action, We were told by prosicuters that in regard to voting fraud. that policy was there “Was NO Voting Fraud” If you cheat and win you were safe, “as an elected official would NOT be prosecuted.” . ” If you lose then no body cares” Voting Fraud does not exist. In our case it was ‘Absentee Ballots’ being used to swamp the local vote. So in the end we swamped them and they were prosecuted for “Mail Fraud” ! “There is No Vote Fraud”

282. YMMV says:

Ossqss, 23 April 2021 at 1:02 pm, “Interesting, and we thought climate modeling is bad, and it is.”

Just over one year ago, the epidemiology modeling of Neil Ferguson and Imperial College played a preeminent role in shutting down most of the world. The exaggerated forecasts of this modeling team are now impossible to downplay or deny, and extend to almost every country on earth. Indeed, they may well constitute one of the greatest scientific failures in modern human history.

my bold.

Figure II shows the exaggeration of deaths in the Ferguson model for countries with no lockdowns.
Sweden 126%, Japan 5131%, South Korea 8128%, Taiwan 937020%

AIER = American Institute for Economic Research

283. jim2 says:

An elections group funded by Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg donated $5.6 million to the office of Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger in the leadup to the 2020 presidential election, Georgia Star News reports. Advertisement The Washington DC-based Center for Election Innovation and Research (CEIR) donated the money to Georgia, as well as at least nine other states. “Georgia used CEIR grant funds in both the November general election and January runoff election to encourage voters to apply for a ballot online,” the group said. “This approach sped up the process for both voters and election officials while also making it easier to track application status.” According to CEIR, the funding was also used “to counteract disinformation, issuing public service announcements warning voters of disinformation and encouraging them to report fraud to the Secretary of State hotline.” https://thepostmillennial.com/georgia-secretary-of-states-office-received-5-6-million-from-zuckerberg-funded-election-group 284. jim2 says: Maricopa audit – live … https://azaudit.org/ 285. jim2 says: If only judges were so responsive to Republican/conservatives filing law suits!! The Washington Post reported: A judge in Arizona Friday ordered a temporary pause in an extensive effort to recount ballots from the November election hours after the process began, citing concerns about whether a private vendor hired to review nearly 2.1 million ballots cast in the state’s largest county is complying with state laws governing election security. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/breaking-judge-orders-temporary-halt-arizona-forensic-ballot-audit-monday-democrats-file-suit-shut-process/ 286. jim2 says: A recent report reveals the U.S. Postal Service (USPS) seems to be spying on Americans’ social media posts. Yahoo News published parts of a government bulletin on Wednesday, which details a section of Postal Service’s law enforcement arm known as the Internet Covert Operations Program (ICOP). According to the document, ICOP monitors “inflammatory” posts made by those planning protests. The surveillance effort involves analysts combing through social media sites looking for posts deemed threatening, which are then sent to other government agencies. Political commentator Glenn Beck said he is disappointed, but not surprised to find out the Postal Service is spying on American citizens. https://www.oann.com/report-usps-monitoring-americans-social-media-posts/ 287. Simon Derricutt says: EM – might have fitted better in the tic-tac thread to keep the “things we know that just ain’t so” in one place, but the 2LoT references were here. The vortex tube needs energy to do the sorting, because it doesn’t use a field to do it but instead uses acceleration. However, the motions of electrons in a conductor look much the same as a gas, except that the mass is that much smaller and the speed correspondingly faster, around 500,000 to 2,000,000m/s. Same hot tail faster than that and cold tail slower. They can be sorted using a tunnel barrier, but the tast ones are just as likely to go the other way, so we can’t use that to break the symmetry and make a Maxwell’s Daemon. However, on electrons there are two fields acting, gravity and electric. Thus if you have two thermally-insulated columns, with one being an electrical conductor and the other an electrical insulator, and you connect them at the bottom, the tops will be at a different temperature in equilibrium. The electrical field is so much stronger than the gravitational field that there is almost no lapse rate, but the phonons carrying heat in the insulator will have a lapse rate as usual. Very small effect and not useful, but an example of a thermal equilibrium that isn’t actually an equilibrium. In fact, solar panels are also such an equilibrium where the electrodes will have a voltage offset between them, and when you connect those electrodes through a load then current flows to try to restore the equilibrium. Thus what we’re looking for is a situation where an equilibrium exists with a difference across some parts that we can tap. For the solar panels, that’s a voltage difference. Another way of looking at solar panels is that the input energy is in random directions (the photons) and the output energy is in one direction. From this point of view, a solar panel violares 2LoT. Generalising further, it can be seen that fields generate order, whereas Heisenberg produces disorder. Yang and yin. If we didn’t have both tendencies we wouldn’t be here to talk about it. In normal situations the fields we use are relatively weak, so we see the tendency to disorder because it is dominant. When we use (directed) energy to do work, it gets disordered and then it’s called heat. In a solar panel, the strong electric field of the PN junction (of the order of a million volts per metre) directs photoelectrons one way only. Again, generalising, make the field strong enough and you get more order than disorder, so entropy reduces. That’s another formulation of 2LoT shown to have limitations. These things seem theoretically possible, and in fact we can practically get a small power from ambient heat. Tricky thing is how you get the odd kW or so. 288. jim2 says: Dimowits are such big spenders when it comes to everyone else’s money. But if it’s their money on the line … A brief weekend pause in the Arizona Senate’s election audit that a judge ordered on Friday won’t happen because the Arizona Democratic Party declined to put up a$1 million bond that the judge requested to cover any expenses that the Senate wrongfully incurs due to the halt.

Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Christopher Coury ruled that the audit must halt from 5 p.m. Friday to noon on Monday. But that order was contingent on the Arizona Democratic Party, which brought the lawsuit seeking to block the audit, posting a $1 million bond to cover any expenses that the Senate wrongfully incurs due to the delay. The Senate’s lease of Veterans Memorial Coliseum, where the audit is being conducted, ends on May 14. Good news for us thought :) !! https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/breaking-huge-update-az-democrats-arizona-wont-post-1-million-bond-election-audit-continues/ 289. jim2 says: Breaking: Windham, New Hampshire Official Receives Death Threats Over Upcoming Ballot and Voting Machine Audit https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/breaking-windham-new-hampshire-official-receives-death-threats-upcoming-ballot-voting-machine-audit/ 290. philjourdan says: @EMS Sorry, criticizing Klingon pronunciation is Racist, You have been warnd 291. H.R. says: No, Phil, it’s species-ist. Offending Klingons is bad enough. Just think of all of the offended Ferengis out there if he slips up with them. My gosh! E.M. is gonna have to sleep with one eye open from now on! 😜 292. E.M.Smith says: I have 2 dogs, a gun within reach, and a Japanese short sword by the bed. I think I’ll be OK if some Hollywood Klingons stop by…. (real ones maybe not so much… :-) Besides, I was criticizing the bad cultural appropriation of the Hollywood ones… Real native Kingon speakers would appreciate that. (I wonder where my Klingon Language book went… it has a good pronunciation guide in it… but I never got much beyond basic battle Klingon….) 293. Simon Derricutt says: With the shortage of toilet paper, there will be more Klingons than usual. I’ll get my coat on the way out…. 294. H.R. says: @E.M. – Kidding aside, I’ll bet that you have the same Klingon Dictionary I have. If it pops up while you’re readying the house, you can check the ISBN # against the one I have. It’s the Official version and the author, Marc Okrand, is the one who created and developed the Klingon language. I just can’t picture you plonking down money for a ripoff of his work. . . @Simon D.: 🙄 Let’s just say it’s a good thing you’re in France right now… 😜 295. A C Osborn says: E.M.Smith says: 23 April 2021 at 2:25 pm I wonder how close you could get to a perpetual motion machine by using the 250C gradient to create electricity with a Peltier device to provide the power to the pump to pressurise the air in the first place. 296. Simon Derricutt says: ACO – the Peltier blocks max out at around 10% efficient and compressing air isn’t that efficient either, so the main thing about the vortex is that it’s a lot simpler to make than a normal refrigeration/heater system. I used to think that perpetual motion systems, where you get out more energy than you put in, were simply impossible. You can’t get something for nothing…. However, I spent a few years mulling over the concept of work, and found the “missing” vector nature of heat, and found some experimental evidence that I trust (that is, most claims are lies or mistakes), and I now think it’s practically possible. In fact it depends on Conservation of Energy – in normal situations you can’t lose that energy, but what you do lose is that your store of energy gets its momentum vectors randomised. It took me a long time to solve that paradox, since it’s actually a language/semantics/definitions problem and not a physics problem. Thus to achieve a real Perpetual Motion system, you need to work on the momentum vectors of the particles that carry your (scalar) Kinetic Energy. If you try to work with heat as a compressible perfect fluid (that is, not made up of particles) then you can’t do this, and of course this is the basis of a lot of Free Energy designs (that don’t self-run, but are claimed to do so, except that they lost the one that worked on test, it was destroyed by some madman, or the dog ate it). Classical physics effectively uses the “perfect fluid” model, so you really need to use a bit of quantum physics instead, or at least the Kinetic Theory of Gases (or fluids). A standard solar cell construction with different semiconductor (low band-gap) is an obvious way. Main problem is getting a strong-enough electric field at the PN or Schottky junction to produce a depletion zone where the carriers (electrons, holes) are swept away quick enough to stop recombination. Still, even room-temperature radiation has a few photons that reach the 0.9eV or so level for a standard solar panel (around 9 photons/m²/s IIRC) so would produce some current in the dark at room temperature if the leakage was low-enough (it isn’t). Tellurium-doped Mercury-Cadmium alloy has a band-gap of around 100meV, and the consistency of a banana (so it’s difficult to work with), but will produce 0.1V at the terminals at room temperature. Yep, you can buy them commercially (MerCaT sensors), at around$1500 for a die of around 0.5mm², and since they’re used to try to measure IR radiation they are normally cooled to LN2 temperatures to stop them producing too much current from their own internal temperature.

Another obvious way is to simply put up an antenna to receive the EM wave, and use a diode to rectify it. A somewhat-updated crystal radio receiver…. Main problem there is getting a fast-enough diode that has a small-enough forward voltage and enough reverse-blocking, but it’s been done (by MIT amongst others) for room-temperature IR (that’s a photon of around 26meV) and even for green laser light at around the 2eV level. Diodes here tend to be a sharp point a small distance (around 2nm) away from a flat conductor, so works on field effect and has a very small capacitance. They also don’t last that long because the current density through the tunnel junction is strong enough to displace the atoms. Thus somewhat-expensive “free energy”.

The concept of a diode is something that changes random directions to a single direction. If you have a wave and the right kind of diode, you can get out energy that will do work. Choose your wave, and figure out how to make the diode, and you have Perpetual Motion which doesn’t actually break any Laws Of Physics, just goes against what people believed they were.

297. jim2 says:

I’ll believe in “free energy” when I have a water heater that doesn’t generate energy costs.

298. p.g.sharrow says:

@Simon; we know how to measure Dielectric Warpage caused by gravity, just haven’t figured out how to get current flow from it. Gravity will develop 300 volts over 1 meter in dry air. This was demonstrated by Napoleons Army Engineers on the Great Pyramid. I have created gravity batteries always one half a milivolt, measured with a digital meter, in an oil soaked typewritter paper thickness between two plates. I just haven’t come up with a way to get current flow from this warpage. Basically capacitance charge caused by gravity. God sometimes disrupts this arrangement and causes a cascade failure in the dielectric of the atmosphere, we call it lightning, that demonstrates the energy available if we can figure out how to harness it….pg

299. Simon Derricutt says:

Jim2 – it’s not really a matter of belief, but physics. If you can find a hole in the logic here, please point it out. We do after all know that when we use energy, all the joules we put in that aren’t stored come out as heat – no energy is lost when we do work, though we refer to that heat as “lost energy”. We also know the heat is kinetic energy in particles, and thus those particles have momentum, and yet we refer to heat as a scalar quantity and ignore that momentum vector in general, because it averages out to zero.

Thermodynamics tells us that we need to put energy in to move heat from a cooler to a warmer location. If we only count that heat as being a scalar quantity, then that would be a true statement.

The momentum vectors of those particles are however real. Air pressure itself is a momentum exchange at the boundaries of the gas we’re measuring the pressure of. As you make a microphone smaller, the variations in “pressure” as a result of being the sum of collisions of individual molecules get bigger, and once you’re down to a diaphragm of around the mean-free-path you’ll on average be registering individual hits (in air at sea-level, that’s around 70nm). You now have a signal at around 7GHz that can be rectified with a diode. These days, we can actually make things at this scale and speed.

Really, what’s stopped this being utilised is a belief that it’s impossible, and because we’ve defined heat as being a scalar quantity. You can’t change the direction of a scalar, because it doesn’t have one. Of course, a lot of people have also tried various ways of solving the problem without realising that there’s a problem with the definitions in the foundations, and have thus built a small motor driving a bigger generator, overbalanced wheels to try to get work from gravity, things with big impressive sparks flying around, coils and caps resonating and phase-shifting AC power, funny-shaped coils doing much the same, various ways to get “energy from the Aether” or “Zero-point energy” (same idea, different words), or motors built with permanent magnets. Nearly all such attempts failed, and people made their money either by simple fraud or by writing books telling people how to make something that does the job (a more-complex fraud).

Some, however, actually did work. One was by Arthur Manelas, who was a friend of a friend (so I have proof that there was no fraud involved. He built himself an electric car, left it charging all week, and drove it to the market around 9 miles away each weekend. Some mismeasurement, since he used a 59W-equivalent CFL lamp (probably around 18W in reality) to show the power out. The ferrite block was measured to be cooler than the environment by around 10°F. As I’ve mentioned earlier, this worked via the magnetocaloric effect, which is based on spin-waves being an extra 2 thermodynamic degrees of freedom, and being able to disable one of those degrees of freedom by using a rotating bias magnetic field of the right frequency. Real physics, though AFAIK Arthur didn’t realise why it worked but replicated Floyd Sweet’s notes and played with it (with a lot of failures) until it worked.

Another one that worked was Lovell’s Monotherm. Basically, that’s almost-equivalent to a photovoltaic panel, with a bit of water-vapour in the glue acting as energy-transport. It consists of Copper and Aluminium foil coated with paints of red Phosporus and Chrome Oxide in a PVA base and then clamped together. Replicated by Robert Murray-Smith (RMS), and he also tried a few other formulations, but a foil-stack around 6″x4″ produced all of around 6 microwatts at room temperature. If you heat it to around 60°C you’ll get up into the mW range and be able to run a small LED. Not what I’d call a useful amount of power considering the cost of the device, but pretty easy to make and to show that it works for real and isn’t just an empty claim. It didn’t make any money….

So: we have the realisation that because heat is carried by particles, we only need a momentum-exchange in a single direction to covert that heat back into energy we can use. We also have some proofs of principle, though at a small actual power level. For the nantenna method of doing this, there’s a doctoral thesis detailing how to do it at http://drum.lib.umd.edu/bitstream/handle/1903/13528/Yesilkoy_umd_0117E_13795.pdf . Dr. Yesilkov (and her mentors and examiners) obviously either didn’t realise that her idea violates 2LoT or carefully avoided mentioning it to avoid being labelled as crackpot. She also used a lamp to illuminate her completed nantenna array and didn’t officially measure the output in ambient temperature, thus making sure there was an obvious source of the energy she measured, but then speculated that it would be a useful source of energy in the world converting IR energy to electrical energy.

What’s needed is a way of raising the available power, and of course it needs to be cheap to make. Once people realise it is actually possible, it will get worked on and someone will get a good design. The various ways I’ve thought of so far need either a chip-fab or micro-engineering of one sort or another – you do have to get the scale right before there’s a chance it will actually work. Also helps if you have a background of working with those processes and the relevant professional knowledge, and of course I don’t have that. Instead, I’ve pointed out the problem on the theory side, and the thing that’s been overlooked (and is irrelevant in getting steam-engines to work, since there you are not de-randomising individual particle directions and treating heat as a pure scalar is adequate).

Here, therefore, I’m pointing out that it’s physically possible to get your water-heater working without needing to pay an electricity bill, though you’d still need to buy the bit of kit to generate the electricity without needing fuel. Based on energy density and cost of manufacture of the kit, though, it might end up cheaper to violate CoM instead (that tic-tac drive we were discussing) and make the energy instead rather than recycling it. Few people will attempt stuff they believe to be impossible, so the first step is to show that something is possible.

300. p.g.sharrow says:

@jim2; a self propelled waterheater, easy. A thermal siphon solar water heater only needs sunlight to work. No pump or controls needed…pg

301. Simon Derricutt says:

pg – are you sure that’s not just ions in the air giving that voltage difference? Send up a spiky balloon, and you can pick up more power, maybe enough to run an electrostatic motor. Trouble is, the supply is somewhat limited and while one person could maybe harvest enough to be useful, if everyone tried doing it they’d each get quite a bit less power. Putting up a balloon wired to ground will affect the local voltage gradients measured, too. You can also string up an electret wire to pick up some power from the air (helps with a breeze to refresh the local ions).

The weather systems act like a giant Van der Graaf generator, charging up the clouds, so the locally-available power is weather-dependent even though the total power in lightning would probably be sufficient for a lot of the time. Might also have side-effects if we used that power and stopped the lighting – that is, we’d stop the Nitrogen oxides being formed, and some plants need that fixed Nitrogen from thunderstorms, so areas not farmed or spread with Nitrate fertiliser would not grow as well.

Hence looking for methods of getting usable energy that are controllable and where the unintended consequences are less of a problem. There may still be some unintended consequences with making energy from nothing, but recycling energy from ambient heat seems pretty benign since basically it leaves things as it finds them, with maybe a short delay in returning energy to the environment.

302. E.M.Smith says:

@H.R.:
That sound like the book! “Official Guide” was in there somewhere…. used to teach actors what they were saying, too, IIRC.

303. H.R. says:

E.M. – Here’s a link to the Klingon Dictionary I have.

It’s an ebay item, but it should last long enough for you to confirm that we have the same book or, shall we say, “speaking the same language.”

While searching, I noticed there were 2 or 3 other Klingon language books. They were selling for $3 to$4 dollars or so.

These official versions, with the ISBN I gave above are being offered at $11.50 to$30.00.

304. H.R. says:

Oh. The copy I have is 99% of mint condition.

I bought it for Mrs. H.R., the Trekkie in the family. She liked getting it and having it, but she was never really interested in actually learning Klingon.

305. Jim Masterson says:

@Simon:

As for transistors, you’re beyond me. I took a class in understanding transistors, but I decided that using them as switches was easier. My specialty in EE is digital electronics. However, I do know that you can replace a transistor with a three terminal device: a resistor between the base and emitter and a voltage controlled current source between the collector and emitter. There are more elaborate models if you wish to model transistors at higher frequencies. I once saw a high frequency model of a resistor–it was quite complex.

It appears that old saying: if the only tool you have is a hammer, then everything looks like a nail, applies to some of your thermodynamics comments. For instance, here is the first sentence in Terrell Hill’s “An Introduction to Statistical Thermodynamics:”

The object of thermodynamics is to derive mathematical relations which connect different experimental properties of macroscopic systems in equilibrium-systems containing many molecules, of the order of, say, 10^20 or more.

If your nail (system) contains molecules of the order, say, 10^19 or less, then maybe classical equilibrium thermodynamics is the wrong tool.

Jim

306. E.M.Smith says:

@H.R.:

Looks like it…

307. philjourdan says:

@H.R. Hardly a species-ist,. Did you forget “The Chase” (Season 6, Episode 20).. We are all from the same seeded DNA.

308. jim2 says:

he difficulties at Britain’s biggest carmaker echo similar problems at other manufacturers, including Ford, who have been hit by a global shortage of chips. JLR said there would be a “limited period” of closure at its Halewood and Castle Bromwich sites from Monday. A mixture of strong demand and Covid shutdowns at chipmakers has also hit phone, TV and video games companies.

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/04/23/1919241/jaguar-land-rover-to-suspend-output-due-to-chip-shortage

309. jim2 says:

What do you call a collection of black holes? The question has taken on an urgency among astronomers inspired by the recent news of dozens of black holes buzzing around the center of a nearby cluster of stars. The New York Times:

https://science.slashdot.org/story/21/04/23/1928248/what-do-you-call-a-bunch-of-black-holes

310. E.M.Smith says:

@Jim2:

I’d call it a vacuum of black holes….

311. Ossqss says:
312. another ian says:
313. another ian says:
314. Simon Derricutt says:

Jim M – Maxwell’s Daemon started as a thought experiment, but was treated as if it could be be a real entity, who needed to measure velocities (or energies) and write them down on a piece of paper (don’t lose information) before deciding whether or not to let them pass. Thus he’d run out of paper, and the pencil would wear out, etc.. In opening and shutting the door, the Daemon would also need to use energy, and thus it was proposed that you can’t do such sorting without requiring energy.

However, this deals with each particle as an individual, and thus ought to be able to do the job required (only let through molecules above a certain energy threshold). As I noted earlier, all we need here is a barrier of a certain height, and if our particles are electrons then a tunnelling barrier will do this job perfectly well – and it doesn’t need to keep notes and so will never run out of paper. The problem with such a barrier is that it is normally by nature symmetrical – an electron above the threshold will cross back in just as well (same probability of crossing either way).

Thus Maxwell’s Daemon is easy to make if you just wanted to select only the higher-energy “hot tail” of the distribution. However, you also need to break the symmetry so that, having passed the barrier, those electrons don’t come back again. Thus you need that diode function as well. The diode function breaks the symmetry, so the probability of a transit of the barrier one way is different from the probability of a transit the other way. One way of doing this is to have a field across the tunnel junction, another way is to shape the barrier – the probability of jumping a ramped barrier is higher than the same height with a vertical barrier. Though in theory any height barrier would work, if you want a relatively large current the height needs to be somewhat comparable to the thermal energy, and that’s really where the practical problem lies. The work-function of a metal (or semiconductor) has a pretty wide range depending on crystal face, crystalline state (polycrystalline, crystal faults, glass, etc.) purity of the material, cleanliness of the surface, and probably planarity of the surface, too, with maybe 500meV or so variation. Thermal energy is around 26meV at room temperature, and Fermi energy of the order of 7eV. Thus the fabrication of the right sort of tunnel barrier requires a high degree of professional competence and some rather expensive kit to measure the properties of what has been deposited to ensure that it meets the specifications for workfunction and thickness (and we’re talking about thickness in the nm range).

Let’s turn the problem in another direction. Let’s say you have a vertically-polarised AM radio wave instead, and you want to drive a piezo earpiece from it. You’d put up a vertical wire, probably have a resonant tank circuit to tune the wavelength you want, and use a diode to rectify the RF to a variable DC, and feed that to the earpiece. You wouldn’t worry about what direction the wave came from, because it doesn’t matter. You still get the energy from that wave and can listen to the music or whatever. There is no essential difference in doing the same for light or IR, except that the frequency is a lot higher so you need a smaller antenna and resonator, and your diode needs to be a whole lot faster. If you can make the components to that specification, it’s bound to work in the same way as that crystal set. Why should we say that, because it’s heat and not a longer wave, suddenly the principle fails because it’s now a Maxwell’s Daemon and we believe it’s impossible?

Why does heat only flow from hotter to colder? I spent a while on that question, and ended up with an essay on it (https://revolution-green.com/heat-move-hotter-colder/ if you’re interested), because it’s not actually a daft question where the answer is obvious to any kid who’s touched a hot stove. Heat (that is, random-direction kinetic energy) actually flows in all directions it can. What we measure in general is the net flow, and at equilibrium (when everything is measured as being the same temperature) there is just as much flow of energy as there would be if one bit was at absolute zero. It’s just on average equal in each direction, so we say there isn’t any flow. Again, that’s a problem in the standard theory/explanation that is so fundamental that it’s not normally examined, and we treat heat as if it is a fluid (Caloric, as named by Sadi Carnot) rather than being random-direction particles that carry kinetic energy. A fluid will flow in one direction, but those (real) particles travel in all directions and the average energy (that is, what we measure as temperature) spreads by a random walk whether that average energy is higher or lower.

Since we can feel temperature with our bodies, we learn early on that heat only flows from hotter to colder. That Caloric model works OK for steam engine design, too, as well as other heat engines. It just isn’t what is really happening down at the particle level.

There are thus some bits of the underlying definitions that are insufficient, and lead us to deduce that things are impossible when they are not. One is that a single number (temperature) is an adequate description of the energy. Another is that heat is a pure scalar quantity. Another is that averages and net flows are adequate measurements in all situations.

Of course, I started off (because that’s how I was taught) thinking that thermodynamics was complete and true in all situations. However, I came across experimental evidence that we could turn heat directly into electricity using a single heat-sink, and thus that 2LoT could be violated even though the actual power was pretty minute. That means that the assumptions in the theory were wrong somewhere (if you can violate an absolute principle at all, then it’s not an absolute principle). It took a few years to work out where the problems were, and I needed to go back to basics and check the logic for each assumption. Funny thing is that insisting that heat can only flow from hotter to colder violates causality, since a molecule cannot know the temperature of the next location of a collision until it gets there. I think that causality is most likely absolutely inviolable.

If you can skew the probabilities of going in one direction as opposed to the other for every particle in a collection of them, then the number of particles becomes irrelevant – they’ll all have their directions modified in the same way. As I noted earlier, changing the momentum of a particle in one direction is exactly what a field does – it’s how we recognise a field, after all. The problem thus really boils down to how we apply the right field to the right particles at the right time/location to get the probabilities we want. It comes down to an engineering problem of how we do it, not whether it is possible.

315. jim2 says:

Buying a used car is riskier than ever …

You’ve heard the old sales pitch that a used car “…was only driven twice a week by a grandma in Toledo?”

The mileage on a used car has a great deal to do with its value. Thus, there have always been odometer rollback scams.

You might think this is less of a problem with newer cars and better technology.

But Lisa Fletcher investigated and found odometer rollback fraud is as easy, if not easier, to commit with today’s newer cars–and it’s costing consumers billions!

https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/04/water-wars-odometer-fraud-update-on-cdc-disinformation-flip-your-scrip/

Protecting Yourself from Odometer Rollback Fraud

One of those hidden items could be the odometer reading. CARFAX research indicates that nearly 200,000 cars have their odometers rolled back each year. Additionally, there are currently about 1.8 million vehicles on the road with rolled-back odometers.

https://www.carfax.com/press/resources/odometer

316. p.g.sharrow says:

@Simon; to make your Diode work you must have bias,. At least in my “Gravity Battery” I have a builtin bias! Lol, maybe we need to look at the problem from the POV of creating usable levels of energy from realistic amounts of materials.
The present fixation of the Ecoloons on “Free Energy” such as wind and solar fail to take into account the Vast amount of space and materials involved to replace much more cost effective sources.
GOD uses gravity to sort your hot and cold Atoms/Molecules, perhaps there is a clue in that ;-) I can get you about 100F without too much effort over ambient, maybe 200F max. Just not material cost effective thing to do for most applications.

The problem to solve is getting industrial amounts of Energy from reasonable amounts of material/wealth invested….pg

317. Simon Derricutt says:

pg – the bias breaks symmetry. If you supply it from a battery or other source you break even on energy gained at best. However, you also get a field between materials with a different workfunction (it’s how you measure workfunction), but with a little twist since if you put a meter between them a short pulse of current flows and the system reaches ewuilibrium with no voltage difference and no current flowing.

Yep, the trick lies in use of fields. Also, yep the problem is getting industrial quantities of energy. Recycling energy from the environment or “waste” energy should be cheap, but limited to kW levels. OK for homes maybe. To get to MW we’ll really need the CoM violations. I am still somewhat surprised that that looks to be possible, since until fairly recently I thought it would be impossible. Physics isn’t over apart from measuring to more decimal places now, either. Maybe some of the Star Trek stuff will be possible….

318. another ian says:

RE “@Simon D.: 🙄 Let’s just say it’s a good thing you’re in France right now…
😜”

We have the expression “Rattle your dags” meaning to get going

319. another ian says:

“I’ve often wondered at the apparent insanity of rabid environmentalists, rabid socialist progressives, etc, and had difficulty understanding the contradictions within their cults with respect to reality.

https://newdiscourses.com/2020/12/psychopathy-origins-totalitarianism/

“It must be observed that people who accept pseudo-realities as though they are “real” are no longer normal people. They perceive pseudo-reality in place of reality, and the more thoroughly they take on this delusional position, the more functional psychopathy they necessarily exhibit and thus the less normal they become…..The ultimate purpose of creating a pseudo-reality is power, which the constructed pseudo-reality grants in many ways.”

A comment at Jo Nova

320. another ian says:

Oh Dear!

“First Formula E Race On A Traditional Circuit Ends With Half The Grid Entirely Out Of Power”

321. another ian says:

Great strides in carbon taxing

“As Lorne Gunter points out in this concise op-ed, “fixing” the climate with carbon taxes is about as far from win-win as you can get. If you think housing prices are crazy now, just wait until these carbon taxes are fully worked into the cost of a foundation.

Trudeau’s Thursday pledge works out to a reduction from 732 annual megatonnes of greenhouse gases to 439 megatonnes.

To achieve that, not only would Canada have to shut down Alberta’s oil and gas industry, but also the entire country’s transportation sector – cars, trucks, semis, school buses and delivery vans.

And probably any construction that uses cement. A lot of emissions are produced in making cement.”

322. Taz says:

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Welcome to Civil War 2 General.

Here we discuss the upcoming American civil war, its political implications and how to prepare.

Here is a video series breaking breaking down CW2.

Within the decade we are going see an expedited push by democrats to achieve one party rule in the United States. The immediate leftist agenda calls for granting DC and Puerto Rico statehood, expanding the Supreme Court and granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants. Achieving even one of these would prevent conservatives from winning the presidential election and lose control of the senate forever.

Civil War 2 begins when the cost of doing nothing is worse than the cost of fighting.

323. Power Grab says:

Re Ivermectin – what do we think the reason is that it fixes Covid symptoms?

I have begun seeing lots of comments on Twitter about women who haven’t been tested and/or taken the shot(s), but who are seeing their cycles disrupted (or even having miscarriages) when they spend time around women who have taken the shot(s). I just saw a comment by a woman who said that she bleeds whenever she is near a human guinea pig who took a shot, but taking a little Ivermectin fixes it.

Not only women are being affected. Men are reporting “bruises” that they trace a blood malady (sorry I don’t have the name of the malady at my fingertips right now). It’s the same pattern: the men haven’t been tested and/or taken the shot(s), but spending time around women who have leads to the blood-related symptom. IIRC, other symptoms related to man parts are also happening.

Some medicos are saying the spike protein is being shed, which is causing the spread to occur. Some of these are advocating that normies avoid the human guinea pigs. Some doctors who treat pregnant women are advising the human guinea pigs to stay away from their facilities.

It makes me think about that old saying, “There’s something in the water” whenever a lot of women in a locality get pregnant around the same time. Only this situation is the reverse.

324. H.R. says:

@another ian re the Formula E link:

I can’t make heads or tails of that. As best as I can figure, some actually do literally run out of battery power, but those that don’t have the battery charge remaining measured. If it’s too little, they are disqualified, or is it too much or either one?

So you can’t tell who won the race just by seeing who crossed the finish line first.

If I cared, I’m sure I could figure out the rules. But what I can’t understand is why anyone would want to watch a race, see some brilliant driving and maneuvering, watch the driver you’re rooting for cross first… and then find out he lost?!? Because of the charge in the battery was too high or low?!?

In comments, it was pointed out that other races have fuel limits and fuel management is a factor, but the winner is the best driver who also kept an eye on the fuel gauge. So maybe the driver hangs back and goes flat out at the end when maybe the lead drivers are coughing on fumes. It’s a combination of fuel strategy and driving.

Anyhow, I don’t see Formula E as being very race-fan friendly. That article was good for pointing it out.

325. H.R. says:

@jim2 – Thanks for bird dogging the Arizona audit. I appreciate the links you’ve been posting.

326. Ossqss says:

I am sorry, my AI took over. :-)

Listening to the rhythm.

327. another ian says:

“Chinese military involved in Wuhan viral research project, finding 1,640 new viruses”

https://joannenova.com.au/2021/04/chinese-military-was-involved-in-wuhan-viral-research-project-finding-1640-new-viruses/

328. another ian says:
329. another ian says:

“I often wonder how the United States has managed to survive and thrive given their record of electing idiots to “look after them”. Mind you, other “democracies” seem to have the same fault; witness ours, the UK, New Zealand and many others. This time they have taken the cake. As H.L Mencken said:

“On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron”. ”

And more at

https://catallaxyfiles.com/2021/04/26/david-bidstrup-guest-post-idiot-science/

330. A C Osborn says:

Simon Derricutt says: 25 April 2021 at 10:17 am
Simon I have just read your essay on why does heat move from hot to cold and I have a couple of questions, so please excuse my ignorance.
First of all, my understanding is that the thing that differentiates “hot” from “cold” is the excitation of the atom/molecule. ie hotter means more excitation, colder means less.
So when you say “and also doesn’t know what the temperature was where it came from.” surely it has carried that information with it by how excited it is?

Second you say that “the direction those molecules go doesn’t depend on the temperature.”, but is this true of the initial state or the start of it’s movement. Surely if it comes from a hot place where all the other molecules are also hot the amount of energy transmitted during a collison with a fellow hot molecule will push harder and impart more energy than when it collides with a colder molecule thus the molecules are pushed away from the heat source?

Isn’t that part of how expansion works?

So I don’t understand this comment “There is no biasing of the probability by the temperature in any direction”

There is also the question of a gas with photon action, how is photonic energy all the same when they have frequencies ie CO2 absorbs 15micron radiation but not 1 micron etc. Isn’t the frequency also carrying the information and energy of it’s original temperature?
Doesn’t a high frequency wave carry much more energy than a low frequency one?
What happens when a photon strikes a non absorbing molecule, what happens to the kinetic energy?

I am trying to understand this in terms of the atmosphere and how in any region regardless of the gas type they are all at the same temperature regardless of whether they use LWIR or Microwaves to shed the energy.

331. jim2 says:

The Dimowits are such ah0l3s.

Remember with Democrats it’s always about power and they will do anything to obtain and keep it.

This evening in Arizona, the Maricopa County Superior Court Judge, Christopher Coury, who oversaw the case related to the Democrats’ challenge to the audit currently going on in the county, recused himself from the case. The reason is that the Democrats shopped around and found an attorney who interned with Judge Coury and hired him. When the new attorney was introduced today for the first time the Judge was forced to resign from the case.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/breaking-arizona-judge-recuses-election-audit-case-settled-morning-democrats-shop-around-hire-new-attorney-previously-interned-judge/

332. jim2 says:

This is why these lawsuits matter so much:

The Senate has rented the coliseum through May 14. That would give them 18 more days, including Saturday.

There is a hard deadline, too. Beginning May 17, high school graduations for 17 schools in the Phoenix Union High School District start taking place at the coliseum, lasting several days.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/arizona-election-audit-heres-what-youre-seeing-on-the-video-feeds-as-counting-continues-saturday/ar-BB1g0S11?ocid=BingNewsSearch

333. jim2 says:

Judge recusal update …

Judge Coury had asked for the parties to be ready on Monday morning at 11 to provide documents. Now a new judge will have to be assigned. Stay tuned.

Update – previously we reported based on sources that the new attorney that caused Judge Coury to recuse himself was hired by the Democrats, overnight we received new information that the attorney causing the recusal was hired by the auditors.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/breaking-arizona-judge-recuses-election-audit-case-settled-morning-democrats-shop-around-hire-new-attorney-previously-interned-judge/

334. Ossqss says:
335. Simon Derricutt says:

ACO – There are a lot of pitfalls when using temperature as a measure, because temperature says which Boltzmann curve of probabilities of a particular energy of a particle applies. For all such curves, the range of possible kinetic energy ranges from 0 to infinity, and where the peak probability occurs varies. Thus if you think of the energy of the particle being 3/2kT at temperature T (for a monatomic gas, since molecules have a different relationship), that leads you in a direction that isn’t good. Worse if you say each particle has that average energy all the time, of course, but it’s an easy trap to fall into.

The reality is that when you consider a small number of particles, or one particle, temperature is undefined. You need to have sufficient collisions either by a lot of molecules or a sufficient time for the statistics to really apply.

In that essay, I was using the “normal” definitions of hotter and colder as having higher average energy and lower average energy, and then stretching them (probably too far to be reasonable) to look at individual particles. At this single-particle level, you need to take the average energy over a sufficient time to build up that Boltzmann curve of the probability of having a certain amount of energy. Thus one collision isn’t really adequate anyway.

However, despite that problem, in a gas at thermal equilibrium and where you look at a volume small enough to contain a few particles, the total energy in that volume will fluctuate. Thus it’s not too unreasonable to say that the “temperature” of that small volume is also fluctuating.

In a collision of molecules of gas, the direction from which the molecules come is random, and the directions they head towards are also random. No molecule can “know” beforehand whether it’s heading towards a hotter volume of gas or a cooler volume of gas – it will only “know” when it collides with another molecule and there is an energy/momentum exchange. During an individual collision, the actual energy/momentum exchange is also pretty random, and a lower-energy particle may transfer energy to a higher-energy one. If it happened that the energy/momentum were equally-shared in a collision, after enough such collisions then all particles would end up with exactly the same energy and momentum, and again the Boltzmann curve tells us that doesn’t happen. What you end up with is a distribution of particle energies (the Boltzmann curve) ranging from zero to (in theory, anyway) infinite. Since the “hotter” particles are travelling faster, they’ll reach somewhere else a bit faster. Still, if you measure the speed of heat transfer, cold travels just the same speed as heat. We could therefore just as easily say that cold travels from colder to hotter.

Thus energy spreads out from where it currently is via a random walk. If you start off with a number of volumes with different starting energy-levels, in a larger volume together, each of those will spread out in a random walk too, but what you measure (as temperature using a thermometer) is the average at the point where the thermometer is.

The higher the energy of the particle, the higher the momentum will be. Pressure is a momentum exchange (OK, actually a succession of momentum exchanges so again it’s an average) so the higher the energy the more of a momentum exchange you’ll have. Thus putting (random) energy into a small section of a larger volume will result in a wave of momentum spreading out from there. Thus sound-waves (alternate compression/rarefaction) also imply a temperature wave as well (heating and cooling adiabatically). Looking at probabilities, you’ll see that a gas molecule has a higher probability of being in the higher-pressure parts of the wave.

It remains that when two molecules collide, the direction they head off in from that collision does not depend on the measured “temperature” in that direction, since they can’t foresee the future and decide which direction to head. It’s just random.

For photons, again a hot body radiates photons of (theoretically) all energies and, if you’re only shown one photon and you measure its energy, you can’t tell what the temperature of the emitting body was. Again, you need to look at a lot of photons and see the distribution of the spectrum to make an estimate of the emitter temperature. The curve here is the Stefan-Boltzmann curve.

If a photon of the right frequency hits a molecule that can vibrate at that energy, then there’s a high probability it will start vibrating in that mode. Since the atoms in the molecule are now moving at a different velocity to the average of the molecule as a whole, if that molecule hits another molecule that vibrational energy can be passed on as kinetic energy. It’s also possible for that photon to be re-radiated (in a random direction) and the vibrational mode stops. Thus sending a beam of IR of the right frequency at a gas that absorbs it will result in the direction being randomised and the direct beam being attenuated – bit like shining a headlamp at the fog in front of a car.

Thus IR radiation can warm up a molecular gas that will absorb at that wavelength. The gas can also re-radiate those photons, and the emissions will be in a random direction. Thus looking at photon energy transfers through such a gas, again we’ve got a random walk, except that there is also a two-way interchange between the translational kinetic energy in the gas (what we measure as temperature) and the photons.

Whenever there is the possibility of energy being transferred between different forms (in this case, vibrational energy excited and lost via photons, and translational kinetic energy) it will happen, and reach a dynamic equilibrium when the rates of transfer of energy are equal in each direction. See “thermodynamic degrees of freedom” for text-book explanations. Rate of transfer varies depending on collision-rate, and some degrees of freedom (DoF) are quantised, and thus need a specific amount of energy to excite them. Translational DoFs are officially not quantised, so are always occupied, but vibrational ones are quantised and only have specific energies – that’s why CO2 absorbs at 15 microns but passes radiation at 10 microns. That need for an internal vibration also tells us that monatomic gases won’t absorb or radiate IR. To get absorption or emission with monatomic gases you need to get energy levels sufficient to excite the electrons into higher orbitals. Thus for IR, if it hits a non-absorbing gas nothing happens – it just passes by.

I may have explained some stuff unnecessarily here since you already knew it, but missing bits out might make for too big a leap from one thing to the next. Mainly the problem with temperature is that it’s an average of the translational kinetic energy only (and not other energy stores), and that it’s implied that an equilibrium means there’s nothing moving when actually there’s loads of movement. Degrees of Freedom is pretty essential in seeing how energy gets transferred around, and why measured temperatures end up heading towards equalisation even where the total energy density (enthalpy) can be a lot different. Temperature measurement only catches the translational energy, and not the vibrational energy or other DoFs. Thus if you have a way to disable or reduce one of the DoFs in a substance, the available thermal energy gets re-shared between the remaining DoFs and you measure the temperature to rise even though the total thermal energy remains constant. Of course, vice-versa too, to cool something.

336. jim2 says:

RE: AZ Audit. I’ve been watching the live feeds. I don’t see a high speed scanner. It would be a machine about 10 feet long. I would recognize one were it there. Instead they are manually scanning the ballots one-off at workstations. Given the fact there are about 2 million ballots, I don’t believe they will finish by the middle of May when the coliseum is booked for graduation ceremonies, even IF the dimowits don’t succeed impeding the audit legally.

337. jim2 says:

Ballot counters are working hard in Arizona to snuff-out voting irregularities in last year’s presidential election and fight off Democrat attempts to derail them.

On Sunday, forensic experts confirmed they are examining thousands of ballots cast in November as part of the audit in the Grand Canyon State. They are using ultra-violet lights to search for ballot watermarks and weed-out phony ballots.

Additionally, auditors have been split into several groups with some examining mail-in ballots and others inspecting ballot folders, envelopes along with other related items. Officials said evidence of systemic fraud has already started to show.

https://www.oann.com/ariz-audit-underway-officials-finding-signs-of-fraud/

338. A C Osborn says:

Simon Derricutt says: 26 April 2021 at 3:29 pm

Thanks for the explanatio, I think.
Unfortunately it is a bit above my knowledge level, so I just have to acept it without really understanding it all.

339. Simon Derricutt says:

ACO – sorry that my explanation wasn’t good enough. Look at it as energy spreading through a random walk. In the atmosphere though, for the troposphere the energy is mainly transported by currents of air – a non-random direction superposed on the random directions.

In the troposphere, the absorption of 15 micron wavelength is such that the intensity halves around every 20m or so. Given the height of the troposphere, adding more absorbing molecules will make little difference anyway. Any differences in cloud formation have a much larger effect, and the climate models have great difficulty modelling clouds.

Probably, like me you were taught that molecules at a certain temperature have a certain energy and that you can use that number in calculations as if it was real. Although I was also taught that it was random, calculations used that single average energy. Took me a long time to change that underlying assumption, and even now I mess up now and again. Much the same with treating heat as a scalar because the momenta average to zero. The standard sums work out OK if you do that, but it also implies that you can’t modify the direction because it doesn’t have one. That’s actually a pretty important thing to miss in the standard definitions.

Using average or net figures as if they have all the information that’s possible or necessary means that standard teaching overlooks some possibilities, because they’ve lost information before they consider it.

340. jim2 says:

The new AZ judge has scheduled a hearing Tuesday @11 AM. Dimowits suck.

Democrats requested an “immediate hearing” after Martin stepped in as the reassigned judge. A new hearing is slated for 11 a.m. on Tuesday, per lawyers on the case, a local NBC reporter noted.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/new-judge-assigned-to-oversee-democratic-challenge-to-senate-led-election-audit-in-arizona/ar-BB1g4Zd9?ocid=BingNewsSearch

I also notice the auditors seem to be coming back to the coliseum. I’m wondering if they are planning to work all night. They should!!

341. E.M.Smith says:

@Jim2:

While I’d just love to see the audit find all sorts of crap corruption… I’m already quite happy just from all the “Dimowit” (as you put it) over reaction. That alone says that the fraud happened and the Big Steal is real.

You do not panic and “fire all guns” over a non-event. Therefore an audit is an existential threat. Therefor the fraud and Big Steal was very very real.

342. philjourdan says:

I was going to add a comment, but as usual EMS beat me to it.

343. E.M.Smith says:

@Phil:

Sorry, my bad… I’m just stuck at home with nothing to do but run a blog and… Oh, Wait, this is Monday, right? Crap, I have a job now… I need to check up on the VARs for bids and get ready for Wednesday…

Over to you, Phil!

(Only 1/2 ;-) .. )

344. jim2 says:

The chair of the Arizona GOP, Dr. Kelly Ward, commented on the victory and gave insight into what’s to come. She said the state’s Supreme Court is set to make a decision to prevent Democrat attempts to stop the audit. The Arizona justices believe an audit is a constitutional right that protects election integrity and ensures the separation of powers.

https://www.oann.com/ariz-audit-underway-officials-finding-signs-of-fraud/

345. another ian says:

‘Kimberly-Clark can’t bring themselves to say “women” or “girls”. ”

https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/04/kimberly-clark-cant-bring-themselves-to-say-women-or-girls.html

346. A C Osborn says:

Simon Derricutt says: 26 April 2021 at 8:51 pm
No need to apologise, the explanation was good, but at 74 and no formal Physics or QM education it is just too “scientific” for my poor old brain to completely understand.

347. Jim Masterson says:

@EM:

Thanks for your help with my last comment to Simon. That comment was riddled with typos. You deleted my correction comment and made those corrections to my original comment. Unfortunately there were more errors concerning my comments about modeling bipolar transistors, but nobody seems to care about that part of my comment.

@Simon:

I still don’t agree with your Maxwell’s demon statements. Like my father (who was indeed born in Missouri), I need to be shown. Just in time comes this little online tidbit:
https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-maxwells-demon-continues-to-startle-scientists-20210422/?utm_source=pocket-newtab

Again, thanks to Claude Shannon’s information theory entropy, many think that entropy is a measure of disorder. They think shuffled cards and messy rooms are due to an increase in entropy. Frank Lambert does a better job of countering that idea:
http://entropysite.oxy.edu/shuffled_cards.html

Jim

348. Simon Derricutt says:

ACO – I did get that formal education, but over the last dozen years or so I’ve been digging down and finding things wrong in what I’d been taught. I’ve thus found out that some things are actually possible that I was taught were not possible. We just need to set up the conditions correctly in order to make them work, and if you didn’t suspect that the standard physics was mistaken you wouldn’t do things that way. Standard methods give standard results. Though that’s most obvious when it comes to those tic-tacs and “impossible space drives”, it also applies to heat and energy and how we deal with them. No guarantees that I’m right on everything, which is why I try to explain things so that any errors get seen and corrected. The advantage of EM’s blog is that people here consider the evidence and don’t reject based on belief alone. Generally I’ve found that most people have a set belief on why things work the way they do, and even where that’s well-based from experience of what works and what doesn’t in practice, the underlying description of the structure of the universe could be not quite right and thus implies the impossibility of some things. I’ve also spent a lot of time investigating the Free Energy field, where you get the converse of people believing things are possible where they most likely aren’t. Then again, just a few of those Free Energy stories turned out to have a basis in truth, and in the same way some of those UFO stories have some truth – the difficulty is in winnowing out the lies, mistakes, mismeasurements, and misinformation to make a stab at what is actually true. It helps to compare notes.

349. H.R. says:

After the 2020 Election steal, the Covid mask and lockdown nonsense, and the spying on all Americans, particularly Trump voters, I’m thinking I’ll start answering the phone with “Seig Heil!” instead of “Hello.”

350. Simon Derricutt says:

Jim M – your first link to Quanta magazine says that by setting the Daemon to shut the door when a certain amount of temperature difference between the two sides was achieved, they seem to be getting one that actually does the job. I’ll only point out here that in dealing with “heat” they are ignoring the momentum vector of the particle that is carrying that kinetic energy.

The “shuffled cards” link was very useful, since I hadn’t realised than Shannon’s entropy was different than thermodynamic entropy (texts I’ve read treat them as the same thing). Though Landauer’s assertion that it takes energy to erase data sounds possible, there’s a major problem with “what is data”. If I give you a disk with what appears to be random digits recorded on it, that could be considered as a certain amount of data and have a certain mass or weight according to how much energy is contained in the recorded data. How can you tell whether that is actually erased data or not? If I give you the decryption key to that disk, does its mass change? If I give you the key, but give a false key to someone else, will they measure a different mass? I thus think that the original assertion is wrong, and that information itself does does have mass or energy (or entropy).

Going back to the thermodynamics definition, and number of macrostates available, it’s worth pointing out that a field can affect the available macrostates. Instead of being a random direction, there is a bias to that direction. This is most obvious with the change of pressure in a fluid with height because of gravity. The particles at the bottom have a shorter mean free path and are more confined (higher pressure) because they are required to support the particles above them. In fact, for all the particles in our fluid, the free path between collisions is no longer a straight line, although that’s what we draw it as. It’s very close to a parabola (it’s actually a section of an ellipse) instead. Thus between each collision, the particle gains a little bit of extra momentum downwards, and this is then part of the sum of the momentum that is conserved during the next collision. Since pressure is the sum of all the momentum changes in collisions in a second over a unit area, we measure the result of all those molecules falling under gravity as being a pressure gradient in the fluid from top to bottom.

Similarly, if a have a machine that shoots out tennis-balls in random directions and speeds, and set it up at a reasonable height above ground, then unless the machine emits a ball above escape velocity those balls will all end up on the ground. They started with random velocities in x, y, and z, and after the action of gravity they are still random in x and y, but are in a single direction in the Z axis where they started as equal probabilities going up or going down. Thus gravity reduces the disorder in the system, and it does that without needing to use energy for the gravitational field.

Generalising this a bit further, we know a field is there because it changes the momentum of the objects subject to it, by applying a force in a single direction. Fields such as gravitational, electric, magnetic, and nuclear are conservative, which is just a way of saying we don’t need to supply them with energy to do what they do (though we may need to supply energy to create them, no energy is needed to maintain them although we often need to put energy in because of the losses to heat in the system). Still, another way of looking at a conservative field is that it converts between the potential energy and kinetic energy of the particle subject to that field, with the field neither supplying nor removing energy from the particle.

Thus we can use a conservative field to create order from disorder, and to reduce entropy.

For a practical experiment, note that if you get the workfunction of a surface low enough, it will emit electrons from its thermal energy even at room temperature. Also note that if we apply a magnetic field, then the emitted electrons will gyrate only in one sense – their path is bent into a circular one. Because of this, they follow a semicircular path and land on the surface again some distance away but always in the same direction, depending on the polarity of the applied magnetic field. If instead of one strip, you have two narrow strips side by side, electrons emitted from one strip will land on the other one, and by flipping the field you can control the direction of the current produced. You can also put a vertical barrier between the strips of half the separation of them, and show that the current reaches a peak at a certain magnetic field as the radius of the electron path gets smaller with increasing field. Too much field, and the electrons emitted won’t get over the barrier, too low a field and they jump too far and miss the other strip. I’ll need to go find where I put the paper on that one, but it was Professor Fu quite a few years ago. It’s an elegant demonstration of the principle. Search on it now gives Xin Yong Fu 1982, and https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0196890486900634 where they trash it and miss the point totally, but it’s behind a pay-wall.
The point of this experiment is that the field, together with the surface, reduces the degrees of freedom available to the electrons and thus biases their paths. It functions effectively as a diode, with the signal being rectified being the thermal emissions of electrons. The power generated is in the femtowatt range.

This function of fields in reducing disorder, and thus being “the other side” of the tendency to disorder, is why we see the universe we do (stars with planets around them, and galaxies etc.). How can people argue that the point of the Big Bang was totally ordered, and we’re now less ordered with a planet to live on? If we choose the right particles and fields, and make the fields strong enough, we can produce a system where more order is created than disorder, and thermodynamic entropy will actually decrease (without a corresponding increase elsewhere). The obvious way is to generate a photoelectron/hole pair in the middle of a strong-enough permanent electric field so that the hole and electron go opposite directions. This is exactly how a solar panel works, so the principle is proven. The problem is getting the right semiconductor, and producing the field – normally we’d use a PN junction for that, but that may not be possible in the chosen semiconductor with a very small bandgap and thus lots of carriers at room temperature. Note that this isn’t a Maxwell’s Daemon – instead it takes in energy in any direction and shovels it all out in a single direction, and doesn’t otherwise do selection except that the IR photon energy does need to be at or above the bandgap energy. Also, being a quantum process, it’s actually 100% efficient in that all the heat absorbed turns into electrical power – it has to, since energy is conserved. It may not have 100% quantum efficiency, but the photons it doesn’t convert remain for another try later.

Describing problems helps. I just figured out the way to get a PN junction in that 30meV-bandgap semiconductor working. Just need to drop the chip down to liquid Nitrogen temperatures to reduce the number of free carriers in the PN junction to a number where the depletion zone is able to exist, then the chip can be allowed to get back to room-temperature and the depletion zone should remain. Of course, I’d still need to get some LN2, but less of a problem.

351. Simon Derricutt says:

One of the things that makes this 2LoT violation seem impossible is that we’re so used to needing to put energy in to making things happen, and some of that energy always ends up as heat, and that in engineering terms this is “lost energy” that we have to deal with and get rid of. Also, as far as I know there aren’t any animals or plants that obviously violate the law, and you’d expect that if it was possible then we’d at least see some natural examples. Then again, there might be some, and the people who know about it (biologists or doctors etc.) don’t realise it’s not supposed to happen. Could be some of the selective movements of ions around the cell and through cell walls have an aspect that breaks some law or other, but that law is part of another discipline and, in biology, it works so it can’t be impossible.

Though Maxwell’s Daemon is a start-point, I figure that it’s better to use fields to manipulate energy (which has no direction) to go in the direction we want it to. The thing that classical physics misses is that that scalar energy, with no direction, can only be carried by a particle that does have a direction, and that with heat energy it’s the particles that have random directions whereas the energy itself still has no direction and goes where the particles take it. With lots of packets of energy in random directions, you can’t do work, which requires a direction. Get those particles going in the same direction, and you can do work with it, and that energy is not destroyed because you’ve done work with it, but instead the particles carrying it get random directions and so you can’t do further work with it. It’s all really about direction, or lack of it.

352. Power Grab says:

I almost put this on the page about what is happening in India, but I’m putting it here because this is the page where I commented previously on the weird menstrual problems that are being reported by non-jabbed women who have spent time near “jabbed” (a/k/a “human guinea pig”) women.

https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/thousands-of-reports-of-menstrual-irregularities-reproductive-dysfunction-following-cv-vaccines/

353. cdquarles says:

Cells have a dielectric barrier in the form of a lipid (non-polar) membrane with water compatible components facing out and facing in. In a sense, cell membranes are diodes with a resting membrane electrical potential. I forget how much it is; it has been 40 odd years since I studied it (I want to say 40 mV). They have special proteins embedded with certain pore sizes and the ability to twist from quantum chemical effects. Thus potassium ions in and sodium ions out. You have pumps for magnesium ions in and calcium ions out. You have chemical entities that alter this arrangement as well as electrical ones. You have quantum chemical high energy electron transport chains. And so on …

I’ve looked at electron microscope images. “Smooth” condensed surfaces are rough when viewed at the atomic/molecular level. Pushing them against each other has to induce currents and/or other effects at the surfaces, which must, to some point, change internal kinetic energy content. And that’s just one of the aspects. There is also some “space” still left between the “surfaces” of nuclei and the surrounding valence electrons. Under normal conditions, the impacts are not energetic enough to overcome electrostatic effects. So, you can think of these electrons repelling each other; with each individual collision having a different path. In large collections, this will sum to zero net direction but still fluctuates internally and at a small level, I think, compared to the bulk. For chemical reactions to occur, the collisions must overcome both steric and electrostatic energy barriers; and then new combinations need to be possible.

354. Ossqss says:

Well this will probably send me down a privacy rabbit hole.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/27/apple-airtags-versus-tile-tracker-how-they-compare.html

355. Jim Masterson says:

Thanks to ACO’s photon temperature question, I was determined to solve a problem I had with the two versions of Planck’s law. (I’m not a radiation physicist nor do I play one on TV.) One version is based on frequency-temperature and the other is based on wavelength-temperature. There’s an expression that relates wave velocity, wavelength, and frequency. In general, it’s:
$\displaystyle \text{v}=\lambda \cdot \nu$
(In physics, the lower case Greek letter lambda stands for wavelength, and the lower case Greek letter nu stands for frequency.) This works for all waves: water waves, sound waves, and electromagnetic waves, or so I thought. The formula for EM waves in a vacuum or free-space is:
$\displaystyle c=\lambda \cdot \nu$
This formula allows you to replace wavelength with frequency and vice-versa. However, it would never work for the two versions of Planck’s law. I assumed that both versions gave the same value, that is:
$\displaystyle B(\nu ,T)=B(\lambda ,T)$
As usual, if I had checked the units, they would have clued me in.

The units for the frequency version are: watts per steradians per meters squared per hertz. The units for the wavelength version are: watts per steradians per meters cubed. If I multiply the frequency version by another nu and the wavelength version by another lambda, then it does work out–substituting lambda for nu and vice-versa.

The failure of using the wavelength-frequency substitution formula in the two versions of Planck’s law have bothered me for quite some time. Well, that’s one last thing to worry about. :-)

Jim

356. jim2 says:

You can fire molecules at each other and get reactions that way. But by and large at common temperatures and pressures, one area of molecule A attracts another area of molecule B. Even non-ionic molecules have regions sporting partial charges. Typically, the partial charge of a region is determined by the electronegativity of the elements in the molecule.

357. philjourdan says:

@EMS – no problem ~ Being the first is not a bad thing.

358. H.R. says:

@Power Grab – It’s not only weird, it’s disturbing that the Kung Flu is not just a respiratory disease, but has much broader effects.

I can’t recall a specific one off the top of my head, but there are other illnesses that affect the reproduction systems in men and women; mumps maybe? measles? I can’t recall. Oh, Zika virus. That one is bad for women of child bearing age.

I just can’t recall over the years of some of the bad flu seasons (Swine, Hong Kong) reports liked what you have linked to associated with any of those viruses.

359. cdquarles says:

Mumps is known to cause male sterility. I am not sure about mumps affecting females in that manner.

360. H.R. says:

Mumps, eh? I couldn’t recall for sure. Thanks, cd.

What Power Grab has posted on is not a good thing. I’m having trouble recalling reproductive problems from having any flu and here she has posted findings that women just being near infected women are affected without being infected themselves. Not just weird, but a bit scary.

361. cdquarles says:

@H. R.,
It is a known medical phenomenon for groups of menstruating women to synchronize their menses. It is a pheromone related thing, so I’m not surprised that this may disrupt normal menses timing or that when it gets disrupted by one or a few; that it gets seen in the others in the group.

362. cdquarles says:

Oh, that reminds me; this phenomenon is seen elsewhere in nature. Consider a bee hive or ant mound. The workers are parthenogenetic cloned sisters of the queen. Her pheromones suppress the worker’s sexual maturity. When she dies, the first to develop to maturity afterwards takes over.

363. Jim Masterson says:

I’ve been reading the noonworld posts and comments on WUWT. There’s a lot of nonsense comments especially about thermodynamics. However, Mr. Walton made a comment (two in fact) about the 3K Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) temperature. They are here:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/04/27/trouble-in-noonworld-take-2/#comment-3234973

and here:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/04/27/trouble-in-noonworld-take-2/#comment-3235498

I quote from Mr. Walton’s comments: “. . . the temperature of space is about 3K . . .” and “. . . the temperature of space is set by the cosmic microwave background at about 3K . . . .”

The 3K (Wikipedia says it’s more like 2.72548±0.00057K) is not the temperature of space–that’s sheer nonsense. The temperature is in relation to the CMB. The CMB dates to roughly 13 billion years ago when the Universe cooled (by adiabatic expansion apparently) to less than 3000K. That’s the temperature where hydrogen becomes transparent. The event is referred to as the Recombination epoch which occurred about 370,000 to 380,000 years after the Big Bang. Like many things in physics, Recombination is probably a bad term (so is the Big Bang name by the way), because this was the first combination of electrons with protons to form neutral hydrogen. The name is used because that’s what electrons pairing with protons in hydrogen is called.

These photons from the CMB are epic, old photons. The 3K temperature is due to the extremely large red shift of the original CMB event. The individual photons do not carry a thermometer. They only know their energy and maybe their wavelength-frequency (which are related). They have no clue as what temperature they left with and what an object’s temperature is that they may interact with. We only know the 3K temperature because of the characteristic black body curve of the CMB. Space is not emitting photons with a 3K black body signature.

Jim

364. YMMV says:

Maybe this thread discussed the vaccine and/or Covid and women. For those interested, Dr. Been has a video “Irregular Periods And Vaccines”, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k7c8lECSvE

The monthly cycle is divided into an Estrogen half, where immunity is enhanced, and a Progesterone half, where immunity is reduced.

365. jim2 says:

The menstrual cycle is notoriously fickle. Light one month, heavy on another, missing completely the next time. Heavily tied to the female psyche and external factors. Without a well designed study, we don’t know any more than when we started.

366. E.M.Smith says:

@Jim Masterson:

Very nicely summarized.

@Jim2:

Then there’s those pesky times it just quits for 9 months… followed by 18 years of hard work for Dad…

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