Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, Z-Stack, Quercetin And More

I recently saw an interview with Dr. Zelenko where he was talking about his experiences treating Chinese Wuhan Covid patients. I’ve lost track of where it was. On Rumble I think. In any case, he’s still treating patients with success.

For those who don’t know, he was one of the first M.D.s to come face to face with many Covid cases. He is in the Orthodox Jewish Community in New York and they were hard hit early on. He was one of the first Doctors to work out something that helped. It was HydroxyChloroQuine with Zinc and Vitamin D. This was even before Trump mentioned it.

I’ve seen several videos of him, over the last year+, talking about what worked and what didn’t and what level of success he was having. Long before it became a Democrat (murder?) Talking Point to Diss HCQ and long before the GEBs of Silly Con Valley deemed HCQ a Social Media Death Sentence. (Leaving me to wonder when Zuckerberg & Bezos & Dorsey & et. al. got their M.D. degrees…/snark;)

Whatever… That part is a bit ancient history now.

What got me perking up to listen closer (but not enough to bookmark the video…) was Dr. Zelenko said ~”Then New York forbid me to write prescriptions for HCQ”… So he had to find another way. Knowing it worked as a Zinc Ionophore, he went looking for another. Found Quercetin, and that it was OTC (Over The Counter) as a dietary supplement. So he tried it with zinc. Said it worked, so he continued to use it.

So, for anyone wondering, he’s also bottled up the “stack” of “supplements” he was giving patients as a single capsule. IMHO price is “way high”, but OTOH, it’s Kosher and undoubtedly made to high standards here in the USA under the watchful eye of an M.D. who cares. Almost $1 / capsule and 2 x day.

Here’s his web site and the link for the product:



$55 for 60 capsules. I suspect you can find it a lot cheaper as a DIY “stack” of ingredients. OTOH, it’s convenient and he is likely paying a fortune for small batch, Kosher inspection, and legal maneuvering to bypass all the Anti-Trumper Idiots trying to make everything worse.

As you can not make medical claims for dietary supplements (yeah, you can NOT say Vit. C cures scurvy… go figure…) the bottle just says “Dietary Supplement”. It’s a BYOB thing (Bring Your Own Brain…)

What is likely most useful for folks is that the mandated label says how much and how often. “Serving size” is 2 capsules. Each capsule contains:

Vitamin C - 800 mg
Vitamin D - 5000 IU or 125 mcg
Zinc - 30 mg
Quercetin - 500 mg (95% strength)

So for anyone looking to “roll your own” that gives a good idea of dose level used by an M.D. with success. I’d likely just go with 2 Grams Vit C daily, 10,000 IU D3 daily, and 60 mg Zinc or whatever was close, plus one Gram of Quercetin daily.

I’ve not bought any Quercetin, so no idea how expensive it is, but the rest is cheap.

The “About Dr. Zelenko” box says:


About Dr. Vladimir Zelenko
Dr. Zelenko graduated summa cum laude with a B.A. degree with high honors in Chemistry from Hofstra University. After receiving an academic scholarship to attend S.U.N.Y. at Buffalo School of Medicine, he earned his M.D. degree in May 2000. Dr. Zelenko completed his family medicine residency at South Nassau Communities Hospital in Oceanside, N.Y. in May 2004. Since then, Dr. Zelenko has practiced family medicine in New York’s Hudson Valley. He has been described by his patients as a family member to thousands of families, and is a medical adviser to the volunteer ambulance corps in Kiryas Joel, New York.

Dr. Zelenko is an observant orthodox Jew, married with 8 children, and has authored two books called Metamorphosis and Essence to Essence.
Notable Achievements

In March 2020, Dr. Zelenko’s team was one of the first in the country to successfully treat thousands of Covid-19 patients in the prehospital setting. Dr. Zelenko developed his now famous “Zelenko Protocol,” which has saved countless lives worldwide, while he was fighting recurrent and metastatic sarcoma, had open heart surgery, and aggressive chemotherapy. He has also persevered against unrelenting defamation of character from the media, and threats against his person.

COVID-19 Research Studies
Dr. Vladimir Zelenko has been cited in over 10 COVID-19 research studies due to his own research done on the subject. He also has conducted several of his own studies and is driven to discover the facts on the subject.

He is determined to be at the forefront of the fight against this virus and has a track record supporting that already.

Based on my front-line experience, it is essential to start treatment against Covid-19 immediately upon clinical diagnosis of the infection and not to wait for confirmatory testing. There is a very narrow window of opportunity to eliminate the virus before pulmonary complications begin. Delaying treatment is the essence of the problem. My treatment regime is attached and please know that as of today it has saved thousands of patients without serious complications or negative side effects. Hundreds of top doctors across the world have embraced prehospital treatment of Covid-19 in high risk patients.

As we’ve said many times before: It is best to use drugs that stop virus replication BEFORE the virus has replicated. Giving drugs like HCQ, Ivermectin, or supplements like Quercetin in late stage disease after the patient is hospitalized and when the virus has already replicated to maximum load is just asking to fail.

I’d been lazy / reluctant to go running after Quercetin, figuring it must not be very effective if it is an OTC supplement; but given that Dr. Zelenko was able to substitute it in for HCQ in his original protocol, I’m now much more willing to believe it is effective. So next run to the local health food store I’m looking it up ;-)

Looks like $16 for 50 “Vegan” 500 mg Quercetin capsules from Amazon / Whole Foods, so not expensive.


Feel free to put other Chinese Wuhan Covid discussion topics in comments on this thread too. It’s all one big topic… Even the political stuff as The Idiots In Charge have made Medicine a political topic with their bans and censorship and other stupidities.

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44 Responses to Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, Z-Stack, Quercetin And More

  1. Foyle says:

    Tumeric (nano Curcumin) as an anti-inflammatory looks to be even more effective than ivermectin in a few trials done to date. Other highly effective over the counters include Betadine (iota-carrageenen), Clarityn (loretadine), Budesonide is also useful as a common asthma medication (tell doctor you have asthma and that’s your standard treatment), and then there is fluvoxamine (“I’m depressed and suffer from OCD”). Almost all of which are anti-inflammatories and antihistamines to stop the lethal cytokine storm. Also Vit D, Zinc, Quercertin and Melatonin (“I’m a shift worker and have trouble adjusting at change of shifts”).

    Between all these and ivermectine (which is harder to obtain) you can reduce covid risk by maybe 90%.


  2. Sandy McClintock says:

    I keep enough Ivermectin with me to treat a 700Kg horse and at the first signs of COVID-19 I taking a good dose – perhaps 25% followed be a second 25%.
    Doctors cannot attest to a drug that has ‘not been tested’.
    My vet friends say their knowledge of pharmaceuticals for animals make them comfortable with my plan. They say a million dollar race horse is not going to be gives a second rate product!

    I enjoyed seeing Dr Pierre Kory squirm as he told listeners not to use the animal formulation!
    I read between the lines that he was thinking… “I would get roasted for advising the use veterinary Ivermectin on humans, but I know what I would do for a family member!”
    I have a friend who got a very mild dose of COVID-19; he had been taking daily Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ). His wife got a bad dose of COVID and she had not been taking HCQ.

  3. Steve C says:

    Touch wood, my approximation to the above recipe seems to be panning out OK, in that the Dreaded Death Virus has still had no noticeable effect on my shaky respiratory system, nor on my now septuagenarian metabolism in general.

    Each morning, alongside my cornflakes, I dissolve one 1000mg Vit C effervescent tablet in 150ml of tonic water – vary carefully, as the tonic is already fully carbonated and the tablet has a pretty good go at supersaturating the solution. I then wash down a couple of ordinary supplement zinc pills (~30mg), a couple of Vit D pills (~25mcg) and a multivitamin pill to paper over any remaining cracks.

    I add occasional tonic drinks ad lib during the day – I buy 150ml cans which take up little space when taking a walk, for example – which (I theorise) will keep some low level of quinine in the system most of the time ready to do its ionophoric thing as needed. I don’t know what would be a “recommended dose” of quinine, but at the standard 83mg per litre of tonic a 150ml can is 12.45mg, a figure which feels reasonable as a “medical” quantity. (Note the precise scientific methodology here .. ;-)

    Meanwhile, the vaccination theme is still very much alive in the UK, unfortunately. Horrifying numbers of people are submitting themselves to this experimental “V.I.N.O.” and, being one who wants nothing to do with it, I received, a couple of days ago, my second letter from Big Bro, a.k.a. the sainted NHS. It was headed (I’ll save you the big, bolded capitals) “Important – you need to book your covid-19 vaccination”. Then there is the usual “Our records show that you have still not had …” and (I leave their grammatical error as is) “It is strongly recommend that you book your Covid vaccination as soon as possible”, with a list of sites.

    Then they get on to the psy op proper. “We have identified that you have an underlying medical condition that puts you at increased risk from Covid infection but you have not had the vaccine yet”. A bit about the risks if I “acquire Covid infection”, a promise that the Pfizer and Astra Zeneca Covid vaccines are more than 90% effective against the dreaded Delta Variant, more hassle about masks, antisocial distancing, etc. and that’s it. A little personalised fear message just for me!

    Well, that’s almost it: the size and cost of the missive is then doubled by including a whole extra sheet advertising the availability of translations in Urdu, Arabic, Czech, Latvian, Lithuanian, Polish, Punjabi and Romanian – in those languages, of course, can’t expect people who move to Britain to speak English. (see Destroying Your Civilisation 101) But that’s another story.

  4. AC Osborn says:

    Watch this video and weep for all those who have and will die unnecessarily.


    The young lady has the courage of her convictions.

  5. jim2 says:

    Looking at the MSDS sheet for horse ivermectin, I’m guessing the formulation includes food grade glycerin, which is sweet, and food grade propylene glycol, which is sweet – these would serve to render it a paste and don’t readily evaporate. Then there would be inert solids to fill out the volume. I have some as well.

  6. E.M.Smith says:

    Here’s the PDF of the Zelenko protocol with references in links:


  7. Pinroot says:

    Well, after reading all of this, I feel a lot safer :) My personal stack is:
    Zinc – 75 mg
    Liposomal Vit C – 1600 mg, twice daily (Liposomal Vit C is supposed to be better absorbed by the body so more of it is retained).
    D3 – 5000 IU
    Quercetin – Not sure of the dosage, but I take it with the Zinc
    Budesonide – I have asthma and COPD so I have an inhaler, but it isn’t cheap!
    Green Tea – Green tea has a compound which acts as a zinc ionophore; I’ve replaced coffee with green tea and a squirt of lemon juice (more vit c :) )
    I also nebulize a 0.1% solution of Hydrogen Peroxide (food grade) and saline solution a couple times a week to kill off anything that might get into my upper respiratory system.
    I’ve got some Ivermectin on hand, but am holding off on using it unless it becomes necessary.

    Everybody seems to be freaking out now about the Delta variant, but from what I’ve read coming out of the UK, it’s apparently more infectious but less lethal than the original (which is what viruses typically do: mutate to become less lethal). The last I read, it was as lethal as a typical seasonal flu. Most of the deaths were people who had already been vaxxed. Personally, I feel safer taking all of the above than I do taking an experimental mRNA “vaccine”.

  8. Paul, Somerset says:

    Returning to my obsession, the Hoskins effect (where repeated flu shots sometimes result in patients being unable to mount an effective defence against a virus which has drifted too far from the original type): this caught my eye – a paper which found pre-existing immunity to the SARS-CoV-2 virus not only from previous exposure to other coronaviruses, but also from exposure to flu viruses!

    “A key finding of our study is that pre-existing T-cell immunity to SARS-CoV-2 is contributed by TCRs that recognize common viral antigens such as Influenza and CMV, even though the viral epitopes lack sequence identity to the SARS-CoV-2 epitopes. This finding is in contrast to multiple published studies in which pre-existing T-cell immunity is suggested to arise from shared epitopes between SARS-CoV-2 and other common cold-causing coronaviruses. However, our findings suggest that SARS-CoV-2 reactive T-cells are likely to be present in many individuals because of prior exposure to flu and CMV viruses.”


    The obvious suggestion is that just about anybody who’s lived a normal life surviving the normal viruses, and whose immune system hasn’t been compromised by age, illness, poor diet or obesity, is going to deal with this virus without severe symptoms. And also that the human immune system has such a wide field of attack on incoming viruses that we needn’t worry about mutations.

    But I suddenly remembered a letter to the British Medical Journal, way back in March last year, pointing out that “a randomized placebo-controlled trial in children showed that flu shots increased fivefold the risk of acute respiratory infections caused by a group of noninfluenza viruses, including coronaviruses.”


    There’s quite a bit of circumstantial evidence that countries with the highest proportions of the elderly vaccinated against flu suffered the most deaths with the Wuhan virus. The UK is about the most heavily vaccinated country in the world against flu, for instance, while Germany’s proportion is less than half the UK’s.

    Now, I’d initially forgotten about this finding, because one of the easiest ways of being dismissed by the ‘experts’ in the the early days of the Wuhan virus was to mention influenza. “It’s not flu, you ignorant bigot, etc.” But suddenly, now that we have evidence of the immune system recognizing a similarity between flu and corona viruses, this all changes. The Hoskins effect could mean that lack of protection against new flu viruses from repeated flu jabs will also imply lack of protection against this new coronavirus.

    The big question for me is whether this applies the other way round too. Will repeated vaccination against the Wuhan coronavirus, through boosters and annual updates, result in similar vulnerability to non-corona viruses, such as influenza ones?

    I’d been wondering whether these Covid vaccines might be priming humanity to be vulnerable to some appropriately mutated coronavirus escaping from a lab in the future. But maybe it’s more prosaic. Could it be instead that the vaccinated are going to be left defenceless against whichever plain old flu viruses turn up next?

    I mean, that would be perfect plausible deniability, wouldn’t it? “Don’t stop taking the Covid boosters; this is flu! Completely different!”

  9. vcmathjm says:

    A couple of interesting videos posted today.
    Most folks here will see this but Dr Been had Dr Paul Marik on today with lots of interesting topics/observations/ topics covered. Over an hour of good stuff!

    Also there was a presentation from doctors in Africa on how they are treating covid. Ivermectin plays a big role but they are also using silver in a nebulizer in combination with ivermectin. They have had some amazing results despite being overwhelmed with patients. It is amazing how quickly they can get the O2 saturation level up without having oxygen support and send the patient home to recover.

  10. philjourdan says:

    Side bar – this article got me to thinking about the TDS clowns in New Mexico. The wife forced the fish tank poison on her husband and blamed Trump. Clearly he did not take it willingly. I wonder if she was ever indicted. Or if TDS is now a legal reason to kill people.

  11. DonM says:


    Depends on the jury and the prosecutor.

    I live in a left college town across the river from the ‘low end’ town, in which a father that was being repeatedly harassed & threatened (along with his daughter for her outstanding drug debt). The father finally called the bad guy and set up a meeting with the bad guy at a restaurant (I think it was Finns); the bad guy (the threatening drug dealer) walked in, sat down in the booth, across from the father, and was promptly shot by the dad. The dad holstered his gun, got up and left; as he was walking across the parking lot another person followed him out of the restaurant with his gun pulled and ‘arrested’ the dad. The dad peacefully complied. Grand Jury found no reason to follow up with any charges against the dad. There was surprisingly very little hype about the outcome.

    I could reasonably imagine the the analogous opposite could happen in Chicago if the victim was wearing a red hat.

  12. John Hultquist says:

    I’ve added lots of red onions and red apples (quercetin) to my food intake since March of 2020.
    Also, per day just under 5,000 units of D3 & a multi-pill; and beef and potatoes.
    Still doing this even though I’ve had the 2-dose vaccination (Feb/March).

  13. E.M.Smith says:


    Small Towns have a way about them…

    True Story #1:

    Local boy tends to get in a lot of minor trouble in High School. Judge tells him: “You can enlist in the military or go to prison”. He enlists. Several years later comes home from Viet Nam, a bit decorated. Gets hired as a local cop. After all, he knows EVERYTHING about where kids do “stuff”…

    Late at night about 2 years later, shotgun goes off on a rooftop down town. He’s found with a small chunk missing from near his little finger and some pellet holes in his left hand but “No idea who it was”. This in a town where EVERYONE knows EVERYONE in detail and on arriving in town at the 2 mile mark from downtown, by the time I got to my ancestral home, then rented, the renter would be arriving from “wherever” to greet me as he heard I was in town… This from a guy who was close enough to knock the shotgun barrel out of the way with his left hand. “They met”.

    About a month later, unexplained Dead Guy, about the same age as the cop, is found. Known to be a trouble maker and steal stuff. Nothing to see here, move along…

    Speculation was that Dear Cop wanted to take care of the problem himself. He had approached someone he knew on the roof and his style was to “talk them down” and just arrest them. (He once was crying (during probation) while writing a ticket to a “good kid” and said he had to do it as he was riding with Old Fart Hardass cop, but really didn’t want to. He was that kind of Good Guy Cop. Bust Bad Guys, let minor stuff slide.) This rooftop guy wanted none of it and put the shotgun up. Cop knocked it off center with the hand (then injured) and bad guy runs off. But there’s a code about old friends and attempts to murder…

    True Story #2:

    Kid who was always trouble (I had personal interactions. IMHO he was a sociopath personality. Wanted me to walk on broken glass in the alley to join his “club” – a cardboard refrigerator box nailed to the fence. Hey, we were about 4 or 5 years old. I said no thanks. He then proceeds to “talk dirt” about me and attempt to harass me for about another dozen years… ) Yeah, that bad. Well, at about 18 he shows up dead “down at the river”. Local story was (and I’ve forgotten which of the two groups it was…) that he was “giving a bad name” to either the local Neo-Nazi or KKK group by being such a sorry SOB and general PITA. Got to be pretty bad to give a bad name to the KKK or Nazis… Well, the local police were called out to The River:

    “Yup, that’s Hal. Looks dead to me. What do you thing Bob?”

    “Yup, he’s dead all right. Looks like he was shot.”

    “Yup. Shot dead. Well, guess it was a murder. Want me to write it up, Bob?

    “Nope. I got it. I think it will be ‘Found murdered, Hal xxxx, shot by the river. No suspects.’ OK with you?”

    “Yup, that’s just about right”…

    Local speculation was that members of the local police or Sheriffs office might have been the ones to “take care of the problem”… but there were so many who might have done it. About 1/2 the town… But no worries. He got a very nice funeral…

    Small Conservative Towns have a way of fixing what’s broken if it gets too bad… It pays to be polite, and honest… and moral. Oh, and never give the cops grief… ‘Fess up about the beer in the cup and you are likely fine with a “don’t be doing that again, Joe”. Lie and or cause a fuss, well, that’s just not neighborly. Pull a shotgun on an old friend who’s now a cop when he’s trying to talk to you as an old friend? You just left the legal system and entered The Old Rules… Be an embarrassment to Hard Core Assholes? Priceless…

  14. The True Nolan says:

    @E.M. “Small Conservative Towns have a way of fixing what’s broken if it gets too bad…”

    Such towns are usually agrarian and MUST be pragmatic and reality based to survive. The laws of the state and nation are manmade — but the laws of human nature are hardwired into our genes. When push comes to shove, the laws of human nature win, especially among people in a semi-tribal small town. (And I do not use “semi-tribal” as an insult.)

  15. H.R. says:

    @TTN – Excellent comment.

    I grew up in a township that went from “the last returning G.I. housing project, then nothing but farmland” to darn near inner city only a year or two after I graduated H.S. It was a log curve.

    Things were much as E.M. described – the cops knew everyone and everyone knew the cops – until I was about fourteen or fifteen. Then all hell broke loose as the central “major city” dumped all of their welfare, subsidized housing semi-families on our township.

    The influence of the (Democrat) 800 pound gorilla in the room of the metropolitan area hit our farm district and it was all downhill from there.

    On occasion, I go to visit where I grew up, and instead of a pastoral setting, I am relieved that I have a concealed carry permit.

    The change was that fast and that drastic.

  16. H.R. says:

    Whoa! Thanks, Scissor!

    I haven’t run across that combo, and that is a heck of a cheap price.

    I’m taking much the same, but the sum my individual purchases is a good bit more than that all-in-one price.

    Thanks again. I’m bookmarking this for when I run out of all the standalones.

  17. YMMV says:

    Another great conversation, this time with Steve Kirsch. If you saw him on Brett’s Dark Horse channel, you will know that he is quite enthusiastic. In this video, he mentions that he learned his lesson from Brett’s channel that he should not interrupt so much. Anyway, this video is interesting for the other early treatments (you already know about IVM). In particular, Fluvoxamine is extremely effect and it is easier to get than IVM. Also, Prozac is even better and easy to get. He also mentions other things that have been mentioned here but you never hear about in the media.

    The other topic in this video is censorship by YouTube and others. The social media gestapo. The swamp. It’s worse than we thought.

  18. cdquarles says:

    Hmm, I didn’t live there long, but I wonder what Davis or Woodland, CA are like now. After dad died, mom had to go back home. I grew up there, which is a small city (more than 2500 people) which was a mixed economy (some forestry, some agriculture, some ranching, some mining, some industry, lots of various businesses whose mix changed over time). Still, small enough for everyone to know enough about everyone, particularly the kids who all were in the same class from grade school through graduation. The “projects” had the worst reputation, even back then.

  19. E.M.Smith says:


    It’s been about 10 years since I was last in Davis. It had not changed much. Grew a little. Trees were bigger. Some of the empty areas on Campus filled in with new buildings. But it is still a College Town with one main industry and a huge turnover of temporary student residents.

    I was driving through Woodland about 2 years back. It is a little more industrial now than before. More “Chain stores” and a few less “Local Mom & Pop” things. It’s a bit bigger and a bit more modern, but basically still a Farm Regional City. It has added some light manufacturing around the edges and the Freeway Off Ramp business has grown ( I was one of them stopping at a Fast Food Burrito place…). Culture seems more Hispanic now than in the past (as is true for all of the Central Valley of California) but still a good base of old family farming culture. Slowly urbanizing and becoming Hispanic, but not there yet by quite a ways.

    Missing from both was the Rock / Beach Boys / Hippy themes of the past. The Drive In diners and the Cruise The Strip (even illegal now in Modesto of “American Graffiti” fame) with hot muscle cars.

    That’s my impression from about an hour in both of them anyway.

  20. cdquarles says:

    Thanks. My last visit to the area was in 1983. My paternal grandmother was still living and lived in Woodland, passing some 10 years later. A cousin, who was 70 something then, had a wife of Mexican descent.

  21. E.M.Smith says:


    It’s still one of the better parts of the Central Valley. My Dad had a home near there in the late 1940s before I was born, but one of my Sisters was born around there. My “buddy” in College had his family living in the area and we visited it some times. Always kind of liked Woodland.

    There was, at one time, a “short line” railroad next to the highway that just services some local industry. I got to watch some of the mini-sized tug engines they ran on it, real fun ;-) When Ground Crew on Hot Air Balloons, we tended to fill up with propane on the main highway into town. That was in the early ’70s. No idea if you were in the area then, but any visit between about 1971 and 1975 I was likely near or in town. Living in Davis but visiting Woodland often (especially in hot air balloon season ;-)

  22. jim2 says:

    Yep. The increasing number of things that require a smart phone is getting downright annoying. My wife and I still don’t have one.

  23. cdquarles says:

    I left in 1962. I am glad to hear that Woodland is one of the better areas.

  24. David A says:

    Curious if anyone thinks this may have vaccine affect implications?


    Message to Eagle is a bit of a sketchy site in that the articles are often not well written and accurate to implications, but it is broad based and leads to interesting dig here items.

  25. vcmathjm says:

    A nice summary with links on “18 Reasons I Won’t Be Getting a Covid Vaccine”. Nothing really new to readers here but putting it all together with links to supporting sites is useful.

  26. E.M.Smith says:

    @David A:

    I doubt it will have any effect. That an enzyme or protein can do something in a dish doesn’t mean it does that thing in a cell. There’s a lot of barriers between the nucleus and the rest of the cell, and a lot of other biochemistry going on in the body of the cell that can limit and control where a particular bit of protein can go and what it can do. The odds of all those lining up so that RNA could be written back into your cellular DNA are long odds. Not the least of which is that mRNA isn’t just RNA. It has some special tag bits written at the start and end that help to determine where it goes and what gets done with it.

    That said:

    I’m not so full of God Complex and Chutzpah as to believe we really know what all happens, or can happen, inside human cells, with perfect knowledge. Cellular chemistry is incredibly complex, and lots of it is poorly understood. Furthermore, nature has created a massively messy machine and procedures with lots of unused or rarely used back alleys and a few billion years of mistakes papered over with other random changes. Stir in that each individual is a unique biological entity with loads of variations from the “norm” or “average”… Then season with the simple fact that something in the low teens of percent (IIRC about 17%) of our DNA came from viruses and were inserted or reverse transcribed and THEN we mucked around with it to do something else we wanted sometimes… so there’s an existence proof of what ought not happen (much) happening sometimes. The placenta ability to bond to the womb without causing an immune response is thanks to a protein that evades immune responses originally from a virus doing just that… and creating mammals in the process.

    So could the vaccine mRNA be reverse transcribed into your DNA? Sure it could. How often will it be? I”d guess extremely rarely, order of 1 in a millions kind of thing. BUT: the error bars on what we know are huge so the error bars on that “risk estimate” likely range all the way from “Never going to happen” over to “1 in a 1000”. I’d not be surprised to find a few 10’s of Thousands of folks who never stop making “Spike Protein” because it is now part of the genome. Nor would I be surprised to find that it kills some of them eventually, causes “long covid” in some, or some might even just adapt to it and become walking spike protein factories leaving a trail of allergic reactions among folks passing near them.

    Only way to answer the question with some accuracy would be to take a VERY large sample of people (like over a million to find the 1 in a million level event) and do a bunch of testing on them. But that’s not going to happen. So we’ll just end up waiting a few years until someone spots some really strange case and spends a few years proving the mRNA is now in that person’s DNA.

  27. AC Osborn says:

    Another deliberate hit piece of a meta study, this time on Iveremctin.
    Can others please check my uerstanding of their Conclusion against their actual results please?
    The study is linked from this article

    Open the PDF document to view their results at the bottom.
    Their conclision is “In comparison to SOC or placebo, IVM did not reduce all-cause mortality, length of stay or viral clearance in RCTs in COVID-19 patients with mostly mild disease. IVM did not have an effect on AEs or severe AEs. IVM is not a viable option to treat COVID-19 patients.”

    However their data in the botton table of the PDF document show
    Table 2. Summary of findingstable of the effect of ivermectin compared to standard of care or placebo for COVID-19 patients
    All cause mortality in the control group = 6, in the Ivermectin Group 2 Risk Ratio (RR) = 0.37 a 63% improvement.
    Another oddity is that the Severe Adverse affects are Zero for both groups and yet they give an RR of 1.39, but when they are equal the RR must be 1.0

    Can anyone confirm this?

  28. cdquarles says:

    Indeed, ACO, it is a hit piece. Relative risk is highly dependent on the numbers involved. The total numbers for all of the studies listed is about 1000. I need to do some more digging into it.

  29. Terry Jackson says:

    RE: Ivermectin and HCQ. All the reports of favorable outcomes I have seen are centered on early intervention and treatment. All the “This Does Not Work” studies focus on late stage treatment, and tend toward an advanced age study group. Some things work well for some people in some situations, and not so well for others in a different situation. Somehow this is a new revelation? And because it does not work in all situations must be banned?

  30. H.R. says:

    Terry Jackson: ” And because it does not work in all situations must be banned?”

    By that reasoning, selling shrimp should be banned. In some situations, eating shrimp causes a reaction so severe that death occurs. Oh, and no peanuts, either.

    That’s why doctors have to make sure their patient has no conditions that indicate they should not take This drug for a health issue but instead should be prescribed That medication instead.

    Banning Ivermectin and HCQ is all political.

  31. The True Nolan says:

    Possibly important news about the Delta variant. Possibly. Maybe.

  32. Steven Fraser says:

    @Terry Jackson: Very difficult (and likely unethical) to do a double-blind, placebo-controlled study of patients who are in the ICU. Such is the case with HCQ and Ivermectin. There, its not the virus that is potentially fatal but the Cytokine storm that can present in certain patients.

    HOWEVER, there are case studies of ICU patients whose situation was radically improved in a couple days by a composite therapy, to the point of Hospital discharge to home: HCQ/Zinc/VitD/VitC and steroids or Ivermectin/VitD/VitC/sterioids For both, Azythromycin (Z-Pack) may also be used to control opportunistic bacterial lung infections.

    There is a growing body of studies, now covering more than 200K participants, that show the efficacy rates of these low-cost therapies. Applied in the 5 days after first appearance of symptoms, they have very high success rates.

  33. David A says:

    E.M. as always thank you for your thoughtful responses. You are unique in the blogging world. ( Jo Nova may be next as the most active personal response host.)

    E.M. says. “ BUT: the error bars on what we know are huge so the error bars on that “risk estimate” likely range all the way from “Never going to happen” over to “1 in a 1000”. I’d not be surprised to find a few 10’s of Thousands of folks who never stop making “Spike Protein” because it is now part of the genome. Nor would I be surprised to find that it kills some of them eventually, causes “long covid” in some, or some might even just adapt to it and become walking spike protein factories leaving a trail of allergic reactions among folks passing near them.”

    I think any honest admittance of the unknowns of this novel jab would preclude any sane compassionate person from administering it to the population, especially when so many antivirals and immunity building options are available, and the disease itself is only as threatening as a very bad flu to most people.

  34. Robert Messer says:

    Lifesaving treatment! Thank you Dr Zelenko.

  35. p.g.sharrow says:

    this might provide more information, agree to terms of use. Search “covid-19”
    this is a data base of reported effects of medicinal products….pg.

  36. John Whittard says:

    Thanks for the post but I think it contains an error. The label information you highlight is for a 2x capsule ‘serving’ as I understand it (in other words the total daily dosage) rather than the per capsule dose you suggest.

    Reply: I’m pretty sure I said 1 gram / day and that IS the 2 x capsule ‘serving’ that is delivered as 1 capsule 2 x in one day.


    Optional over the counter options
    Quercetin 500mg 2 times a day for 7 days or

    Epigallocatechin-gallate (EGCG) 400mg 1 time a day for 7 days

    So 500 mg x 2 daily, or 1 gram / day divided how you like it.
    -E.M.Smith ]

  37. YMMV says:

    This is interesting for the discovery and development of IVM, up to and including human test trials for river blindness. “William C. Campbell delivered his Nobel Lecture on 7 December 2015”
    I guess it is safe from YT memory holes because it is pre-Covid.

    More Nobel winners should be as modest as he is.

    Notice that around 26 minutes, he says that simple drug screening has fallen out of favor.
    That is how they found avermectin. And you can extend that concept to now — various countries have tried it (and other things) and have found that IVM works. That is, it has passed a screening test, and the correct response is to explore it more and develop it, not to ban it as not-invented-here.

  38. John Whittard says:

    You said “What is likely most useful for folks is that the mandated label says how much and how often. “Serving size” is 2 capsules. Each capsule contains:
    Vitamin C – 800 mg
    Vitamin D – 5000 IU or 125 mcg
    Zinc – 30 mg
    Quercetin – 500 mg (95% strength)”

    … but what the label actually says is:
    Serving size is 2 capsules. Amount per Serving:
    Vitamin C – 800 mg
    Vitamin D – 5000 IU or 125 mcg
    Zinc – 30 mg
    Quercetin – 500 mg (95% strength)”

    I think confusion also stems from use for Prophylaxis vs Treatment. I had assumed most would be considering the Z-Stack product for prophylaxis. The prophylaxis protocol from the website is (reasonably) consistent with the info on the label.


    “Elemental Zinc 25mg 1 time a day Vitamin D3 5000iu 1 time a day Vitamin C 1000mg 1 time a day Quercetin 500mg 1 time a day until a safe and efficacious vaccine becomes available. If Quercetin is unavailable, then use Epigallocatechin-gallate (EGCG) 400mg 1 time a day.”

  39. E.M.Smith says:

    @John Whittard:

    Hmmm…. Interesting catch.

    Looking at the bottle of “Quercetin & D3” bought at Sprouts, it says serving size is 1 capsule and contains 500 mg. The Z-Stack bottle does say the 500 mg is spread over 2 capsules, so they are smaller. I think you are right and I’ve confounded the bottle in front of me with the Z-stack mix.

    As I’m on “first light coffee” and only 2 sips into it so far, I’m going to wait until fully awake and “try again” with normal caffeine levels… If it still makes sense to me then, I’ll work on wording a bit.


    What’s happening now is that the “Gold Standard” of “double blind study” is being used to talk dirt about simple “Observational Study”. The “prefect” is being made the enemy of the “good”.

    There is nothing at all wrong about “Observational Study”. If I’m bleeding, it does not take a double blind study to observe that direct pressure stops the bleeding and sewing up the cut usually keeps it stopped. Similarly, if you have 2 countries with a disease, and one tries Drug A and has cases plunge while the other says “go home and come back when you are gasping for breath” and has cases going exponential with a 10 x higher death rate: It is perfectly fine to observe “Drug A is highly likely working”. Then apply it to Country 2 and if their cases too plunge and deaths dry up, that is nearly certainly due to the drug.

    Yes, by all means do double blind studies to confirm those conclusions; but do not ban what looks to be working FINE while you wait for peer review 2 years later and a few million deaths.

    At this time, between the Africa Anomaly (Blacks NOT dying in large numbers in Africa with sun & Ivermectin but dying way over percentage in Europe and North America at least in the early days reports), the Indian States discrepancies (those using Ivermectin have low cases and deaths, those not using ivermectin account for most Covid cases and deaths in India), and the differential results in S. American nations using ivermectin vs not: We HAVE our observational study, and it is clear.

  40. YMMV says:

    “Perfect is the enemy of good” is a quote usually attributed to Voltaire. He actually wrote that the “best is the enemy of the good” (il meglio è nemico del bene) and cited it as an old Italian proverb in 1770, but the phrase was translated into English as “perfect” and made its way into common parlance in that form.

    source: some web page that wanted me to sign in to, which I dislike enough to not do.

    One smart cookie. But what we have here is more Machiavelli. “He claimed that his experience and reading of history showed him that politics have always been played with deception, treachery and crime.” Another smart cookie (it is disputed whether The Prince describes or advocates this, just like Orwell describes something and others take it as a how-to).

    The PTB only demand perfect proof for the things they do not like. For other things (masks, lockdowns, distancing) unproved assumptions are good enough. Or in the case of Remdesivir, there is a study showing marginal (at best) results and it is not only approved, it is about the only thing approved for treatment. And a good case can be made that it is deadly.

    A year-long study of Remdesivir was conducted during the Ebola outbreak in Africa. It was canceled six months in because Remdesivir proved to have a 54% morbidity rate. That statistic was published in a study conducted by the drug’s own manufacturer.


    Sometimes you have to throw everything at the wall and see what sticks.

  41. E.M.Smith says:

    I read Machiavelli some decades ago. Ought to still have it here somewhere.

    What I remember was that he spent a bit of time saying what his purpose was (or perhaps the lead in intro said it). That “The Prince” was in fact written as advice to a young prince to warn him of the perils of the game that would become his life work. To instruct this young Prince in how the game was played so that he would not be destroyed in it. So mostly warning and preparation for battle, and a little bit of “how to” in response when needed.

    While the darker aspects are often played up, IIRC, some amount of it was about the value of folks you could trust.

  42. The True Nolan says:

    @YMMV: “The PTB only demand perfect proof for the things they do not like. For other things (masks, lockdowns, distancing) unproved assumptions are good enough.”

    I vote those two sentences to be the smartest, most cogent, words posted on the internet today.

  43. rhoda klapp says:

    I’ve read The Prince. I found it pragmatical if a little cynical. Not really what we understand as Machiavellian nowadays.

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